[2023-01-17T00:35:56Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.3-CRB-TPM2-Pluton rip new hardware.
[2023-01-17T00:39:27Z] <midfavila> haswell chads can't stop winning
[2023-01-17T00:41:50Z] <shokara_> glad I'm still on ivy bridge :D
[2023-01-17T00:42:22Z] <shokara_> "Pluton has been found with AMD Ryzen SoCs since the 6000 mobile series but isn't found within the EPYC server processors." so older ryzen should be fine?
[2023-01-17T00:48:19Z] <midfavila> oh my gooooooooooooooooood
[2023-01-17T00:48:28Z] <midfavila> my internet connection is so fucking slow that i can't log in to my email
[2023-01-17T00:48:36Z] <midfavila> because the authentication process times out
[2023-01-17T01:50:14Z] <Ellowee[m]> Fucking ew more hardware backdoors to worry about 
[2023-01-17T02:05:57Z] <midfavila> re: backdoors in hardware, i still think that a project like the kestrel or the open source 5150 schematics could serve as a basis for an alternative ecosystem
[2023-01-17T02:06:18Z] <midfavila> you could even still utilize modern software in one form or another using such machines
[2023-01-17T02:06:25Z] <midfavila> iirc minix can run on the 5150
[2023-01-17T02:06:52Z] <midfavila> much better designs for hardware hackers than something like the RC2014 in my opinion
[2023-01-17T02:06:55Z] <Torr> midfavila: Are u speaking about Management Engines?
[2023-01-17T02:07:11Z] <midfavila> manage engines, platform security processors, MS pluton, whatever you want to call them
[2023-01-17T02:07:14Z] <midfavila> management*
[2023-01-17T02:07:41Z] <midfavila> malware-in-hardware, the lot of them
[2023-01-17T02:08:16Z] <midfavila> what baffles me is how there are so many talented and capable people in the world who do things like create the RC2014, and yet something like the kestrel is allowed to sit on the sides
[2023-01-17T02:08:37Z] <midfavila> i suppose the rc2014 and similar computers are successful because of mass appeal 
[2023-01-17T02:09:18Z] <midfavila> https://pages.ucsd.edu/~dnorman/DNMss/Being_Analog.html
[2023-01-17T02:09:39Z] <midfavila> i've become increasingly frustrated over time with these things
[2023-01-17T02:09:56Z] <Torr> Yup
[2023-01-17T02:10:05Z] <midfavila> i swear, in the next ten years, i'm going to design and implement a not shit open source computer
[2023-01-17T02:10:24Z] <midfavila> capable enough to run something akin to minix
[2023-01-17T02:10:46Z] <midfavila> i'm *so* fucking tired of dealing with this bullshit
[2023-01-17T02:10:50Z] <Torr> I know how u feel.
[2023-01-17T02:11:05Z] <midfavila> i don't know if you do
[2023-01-17T02:11:06Z] <Torr> The industry is geared towards making computing a *service*, rather than a tool.
[2023-01-17T02:11:32Z] <Torr> One that can be denied at their whim.
[2023-01-17T02:11:39Z] <midfavila> i carry a knot of anxiety in my stomach every moment of every day, even when considering so-called solutions to the current problems facing computer users
[2023-01-17T02:12:15Z] <midfavila> the solution isn't to whiplash against current trends, but to develop taste and compassion for your users, and to assume they're competent
[2023-01-17T02:12:50Z] <midfavila> creating supposedly "easy to use" software for the "common man" lowers the quality of not just computers, but now the entire world
[2023-01-17T02:13:03Z] <midfavila> it would be better to simply force people to adapt. it's not like it's hard
[2023-01-17T02:13:08Z] <midfavila> idk i'm just rambling
[2023-01-17T02:13:28Z] <midfavila> these thoughts aren't particularly unique, either in general or from me
[2023-01-17T02:15:40Z] <Torr> This is not specific to the computer industry. Look at cars for example, vintage models can be repaired and maintained with a small set of general tools and basic knowledge of mechanics, but modern cars are almost unmaintainable outside of the manufacturer's own factories.
[2023-01-17T02:17:20Z] <midfavila>  automotives are outside of my realm of knowledge, but i'm at least aware of that much
[2023-01-17T02:18:01Z] <midfavila> the problem with older models is that, like computing, it's increasingly difficult to acquire components, and you have to deal with societal pressures regarding auto ownership
[2023-01-17T02:18:16Z] <midfavila> i still think that private vehicle ownership was a mistake
[2023-01-17T02:18:40Z] <midfavila> just don't design cities that are fucking garbage. i don't care how hard city planning can be, fucking do it
[2023-01-17T02:18:47Z] <Torr> That's how Intel thinks about CPU power.
[2023-01-17T02:19:10Z] <Torr> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-finalizes-intel-on-demand-pay-as-you-go-mechanism
[2023-01-17T02:34:54Z] <midfavila> meh
[2023-01-17T02:34:59Z] <midfavila> i don't care
[2023-01-17T02:35:02Z] <midfavila> i need to sleep
[2023-01-17T02:35:22Z] <Torr> ;)
[2023-01-17T02:35:37Z] <Torr> See ya
[2023-01-17T03:09:04Z] <wael_> Hi
[2023-01-17T03:10:39Z] <Torr> wael_: Ahoy
[2023-01-17T03:18:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <Torr> "https://www.tomshardware.com/..." <- LOL. Foreseeable future "10 cent per hour usage." + "1Ghz 2 cent usage up to 10Ghz." "starting at only 99.9$".
[2023-01-17T03:20:35Z] <Torr> Coming from Intel, this is no surprise.
[2023-01-17T04:01:24Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2023-01-17T04:01:33Z] <Torr> testuser[m]: Ahoy
[2023-01-17T04:01:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's git bruh.
[2023-01-17T04:02:47Z] <Torr> testuser[m] is Git?
[2023-01-17T04:06:08Z] <wael_> testuser has become the entirety of the git software suite itself
[2023-01-17T04:07:28Z] <Torr> ;)
[2023-01-17T04:08:07Z] <Torr> Reminds me of Git's 1st commit.
[2023-01-17T04:59:16Z] <Torr> See ya folks
[2023-01-17T13:09:49Z] <wael_>  Sj​ä​lvdestruktivitet F​ö​dd Av Monotona Tankeg​å​ngar IV: Warakumbla
[2023-01-17T13:47:45Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2023-01-17T14:36:08Z] <wael_> hi sad_plan
[2023-01-17T14:54:25Z] <sad_plan> wael_: have you tried Oasis yet? 
[2023-01-17T14:54:34Z] <wael_> noep
[2023-01-17T14:54:38Z] <wael_> can't really try it anyway
[2023-01-17T14:56:32Z] <sad_plan> why not?
[2023-01-17T14:57:15Z] <wael_> how am i supposed to try it if i can barely do anything that i want
[2023-01-17T14:57:23Z] <wael_> not with ease atlesat
[2023-01-17T14:59:08Z] <sad_plan> I dont follow. you installed kiss, and you do shellscripting and so on, but when it comes to Oasis.. you just cannot?
[2023-01-17T14:59:21Z] <wael_> well, to make it more clear; i use firefox, and play games.
[2023-01-17T14:59:27Z] <wael_> i also like X.
[2023-01-17T14:59:32Z] <wael_> i also have an Nvidia graphics card.
[2023-01-17T14:59:53Z] <sad_plan> you can still do all 3 of them on oasis
[2023-01-17T15:00:03Z] <wael_> Wine
[2023-01-17T15:00:06Z] <wael_> Flatpak
[2023-01-17T15:00:23Z] <sad_plan> I dont see any issues
[2023-01-17T15:00:43Z] <sad_plan> im sure wine is packaged on pkgsrc repo. not sure about flatpak, but Im sure you can figure that out aswell :p
[2023-01-17T15:00:49Z] <wael_> how can you run wine on oasis, with an nvidia graphics card - which should run well, with X (wine cannot run shit on wayland)?
[2023-01-17T15:01:06Z] <wael_> not that any program that i will plan to use even support wld
[2023-01-17T15:01:08Z] <sad_plan> just run X instead
[2023-01-17T15:01:11Z] <wael_> what
[2023-01-17T15:01:11Z] <wael_> how
[2023-01-17T15:01:13Z] <wael_> on oasis
[2023-01-17T15:01:15Z] <sad_plan> pkgsrc
[2023-01-17T15:01:20Z] <wael_> bru
[2023-01-17T15:01:36Z] <wael_> so at that point im just using pkgsrc for everything and not oasis 
[2023-01-17T15:01:39Z] <wael_> whats the point
[2023-01-17T15:02:26Z] <sad_plan> youre using a static core, built with samurai and luascript, and you just slap pkgsrc on top. or kiss, or nix or w/e package manager you choose
[2023-01-17T15:02:46Z] <sad_plan> however, im not going to argue that I sortof find kiss to be more convinient though.
[2023-01-17T15:02:56Z] <wael_> yeah for literally all of my use cases kiss fits more
[2023-01-17T15:04:21Z] <sad_plan> I get that. with oasis you sortof have to use something 3rd party, to fetch the rest of the required packages
[2023-01-17T15:05:00Z] <sad_plan> this is mostly my main gripe with oasis. having to resort to cumbersome solutions to build the tools you want
[2023-01-17T15:06:13Z] <wael_> let me see how building oasis is like
[2023-01-17T15:06:28Z] <wael_> i only love oasis by design, but not by usability
[2023-01-17T15:06:52Z] <wael_> how do i build oasis
[2023-01-17T15:06:53Z] <wael_> oh my god a tarball from 2017
[2023-01-17T15:06:56Z] <sad_plan> fair point. oasis usability is.. lacking in many peoples situation
[2023-01-17T15:07:07Z] <sad_plan> nevermind the tarball. you dont use the tarball. you bootstrap it
[2023-01-17T15:07:23Z] <sad_plan> you build it from scratch straight away
[2023-01-17T15:08:26Z] <wael_> hwo
[2023-01-17T15:08:27Z] <wael_> athweothwoahgwerhgylhed
[2023-01-17T15:08:28Z] <wael_> howe
[2023-01-17T15:08:28Z] <wael_> whio
[2023-01-17T15:08:28Z] <wael_> hwo
[2023-01-17T15:08:29Z] <wael_> hwo
[2023-01-17T15:08:30Z] <wael_> how
[2023-01-17T15:08:40Z] <sad_plan> the whole gist of it is rather easy. clone the repo, edit config.def.lua to your liking. run lua setup.lua, and then ninja commit to build
[2023-01-17T15:08:46Z] <sad_plan> read the wiki
[2023-01-17T15:09:11Z] <sad_plan> when things are built, you pull it to / with git
[2023-01-17T15:10:12Z] <wael_> i wanna do it on just one folder
[2023-01-17T15:10:14Z] <wael_> i dont want it on my system
[2023-01-17T15:10:18Z] <wael_> just to see what its like
[2023-01-17T15:10:37Z] <sad_plan> you can do that. iirc noocsharp did this in a dir in $HOME
[2023-01-17T15:18:08Z] <wael_> how
[2023-01-17T15:19:36Z] <sad_plan> in config.lua you set the dir youre going to merge to, just set that to w/e dir you want. $HOME/$user/oasis i.e.
[2023-01-17T15:25:37Z] <sad_plan> you could also check out sabotage though. its also statically linked, just not as radical as Oasis. uses xorg
[2023-01-17T15:35:01Z] <wael_> i cant make it use x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc lol
[2023-01-17T15:35:13Z] <wael_> it will try to use x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-cc but that errors out or some shi
[2023-01-17T15:35:31Z] <sad_plan> set the crosscompiler before youre current $PATH
[2023-01-17T15:35:37Z] <wael_> oh
[2023-01-17T15:36:01Z] <sad_plan> so PATH=$PATHTOMUSLCROSS:$PATH
[2023-01-17T15:36:09Z] <wael_> wait what
[2023-01-17T15:36:11Z] <wael_> am i not able to 
[2023-01-17T15:36:16Z] <wael_> use glibc to build this
[2023-01-17T15:36:18Z] <wael_> silly question but like why not
[2023-01-17T15:36:32Z] <sad_plan> I dont belive that works. 
[2023-01-17T15:36:38Z] <wael_> ok will do sir
[2023-01-17T15:36:45Z] <sad_plan> seeing as itll try to link to glibc, instead of musl
[2023-01-17T15:38:47Z] <wael_> building rn
[2023-01-17T15:38:57Z] <wael_> mfw compilation is literally fucking instant and most of my time is waiting for cloning
[2023-01-17T15:39:41Z] <wael_> why doesnt it fetch and then build
[2023-01-17T15:39:47Z] <wael_> cuz that way it would be so much more satisfying ngl
[2023-01-17T15:42:18Z] <sad_plan> I knooow, Oasis builds so fast. 
[2023-01-17T15:42:30Z] <wael_> it feels so fucking slow because of the git cloning
[2023-01-17T15:42:35Z] <wael_> how do i rebuild again now that everythings cloned
[2023-01-17T15:43:03Z] <sad_plan> change the compiler flags. just add -w or something easy
[2023-01-17T15:43:26Z] <sad_plan> I also belive you can remove outdir too. but I havent tried it
[2023-01-17T15:43:47Z] <wael_> hooooooooooolllllllllyyyyyyyy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[2023-01-17T15:43:55Z] <sad_plan> I know. its amazing
[2023-01-17T15:44:01Z] <wael_> its unfair other distros is not this fast to build
[2023-01-17T15:44:07Z] <wael_> this makes compiling packages more fun
[2023-01-17T15:44:36Z] <sad_plan> id does. but the packaging process is way more tedious and difficult than on kiss
[2023-01-17T15:45:02Z] <sad_plan> I built sic before, just to see if I managed to, and it was fine. I initially aim to be able to build tinyx and other tools I want
[2023-01-17T15:45:27Z] <sad_plan> but thats gonna take rather long to do, to say the least
[2023-01-17T15:45:33Z] <wael_> what if
[2023-01-17T15:45:37Z] <wael_> i forked oasis
[2023-01-17T15:45:44Z] <wael_> to use glibc and gcc
[2023-01-17T15:46:00Z] <wael_> id have to stay undercover so michael forney wont assassinate me though 
[2023-01-17T15:46:12Z] <sad_plan> it uses gcc, but just a crosscompiler instead. and glibc doesnt really support static linking, does it?
[2023-01-17T15:46:17Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2023-01-17T15:46:31Z] <wael_> yeah not really
[2023-01-17T15:46:59Z] <sad_plan> right. so using glibc wouldnt really be of any benefit.
[2023-01-17T15:47:09Z] <wael_> but muhh nvidiiiaaaaaaaa
[2023-01-17T15:47:22Z] <sad_plan> velox supports nvidia in any case
[2023-01-17T15:47:27Z] <wael_> does not
[2023-01-17T15:47:35Z] <wael_> it supports nouveau
[2023-01-17T15:47:43Z] <sad_plan> isnt that the same bs?
[2023-01-17T15:47:50Z] <sad_plan> just different name on driver or w/e
[2023-01-17T15:47:54Z] <sad_plan> open source driver
[2023-01-17T15:48:00Z] <wael_> nnnnnnnnnnnoooooooo
[2023-01-17T15:48:02Z] <sad_plan> instead or propiretary
[2023-01-17T15:48:10Z] <wael_> nouveau is the reverse engineered driver for nvidia cards
[2023-01-17T15:48:27Z] <wael_> the nvidia driver is the (open)drivers+(propietary)libraries
[2023-01-17T15:49:06Z] <sad_plan> so, nvidia drivers then, just different source. in any case, you aim to use X, so that wont matter anyway
[2023-01-17T15:50:09Z] <wael_> i really don't think even bothering to try gcc or glibc or nvidia or <bullshit> with oasis is a good idea anyway
[2023-01-17T15:50:13Z] <wael_> its like what mkiss is to kiss
[2023-01-17T15:52:39Z] <sad_plan> probably not.
[2023-01-17T15:53:10Z] <wael_> wait whats that distro you named tith the static linking and x and stuff
[2023-01-17T15:53:11Z] <wael_> sabotage?
[2023-01-17T15:53:16Z] <wael_> isnt it like an gentoo fork
[2023-01-17T15:53:20Z] <sad_plan> yeah, sabotage
[2023-01-17T15:53:35Z] <sad_plan> nope, its its own project
[2023-01-17T15:53:36Z] <wael_> its musl
[2023-01-17T15:53:37Z] <wael_> shit
[2023-01-17T15:53:45Z] <sad_plan> yeah, because musl is based
[2023-01-17T15:53:57Z] <sad_plan> but I understand that some people wants/needs glibc
[2023-01-17T15:54:02Z] <wael_> butttttt im on nvidiaaaa and i wanna play gaaaaaaaames
[2023-01-17T15:54:32Z] <sad_plan> do you do all your gaming on kiss?
[2023-01-17T15:55:10Z] <saturn[m]> i think youre talking about calculate linux the gentoo fork
[2023-01-17T15:55:40Z] <wael_> sad_plan: yes
[2023-01-17T15:55:50Z] <wael_> i mean sorta, i don't really understand your question
[2023-01-17T15:56:07Z] <saturn[m]> haha you’ve said butt
[2023-01-17T15:56:23Z] <wael_> saturn[m]:  
[2023-01-17T15:56:37Z] <sad_plan> do you play all your games on kiss, or do you use windows, or dualboot linux to play some of them?
[2023-01-17T15:56:48Z] <wael_> all games i play are playable on linux
[2023-01-17T15:56:59Z] <sad_plan> and you play them all on kiss?
[2023-01-17T15:57:09Z] <wael_> i mean yeah
[2023-01-17T15:57:10Z] <wael_> i can
[2023-01-17T15:57:13Z] <sad_plan> cool
[2023-01-17T15:57:28Z] <saturn[m]> team fortress 2 on kiss
[2023-01-17T15:57:31Z] <wael_> can do
[2023-01-17T15:57:41Z] <saturn[m]> engineer gaming
[2023-01-17T15:57:46Z] <wael_> can do
[2023-01-17T15:57:51Z] <sad_plan> kenshi
[2023-01-17T15:58:03Z] <wael_> whats a kenshi
[2023-01-17T15:58:05Z] <wael_> rpg?
[2023-01-17T15:58:09Z] <sad_plan> I tried it, but I couldnt get it to launch couple years ago
[2023-01-17T15:58:23Z] <sad_plan> uh.. yeah, rpg, survuval, open world stuff
[2023-01-17T15:58:31Z] <sad_plan> its abit strange, but its really awesome
[2023-01-17T15:58:34Z] <saturn[m]> awh man i think my .twmrc is done for
[2023-01-17T15:58:38Z] <saturn[m]> i cant open the menu
[2023-01-17T15:58:39Z] <sad_plan> its like 1 guy whos made the whole game
[2023-01-17T15:58:40Z] <wael_> couple years ago = steam+linux scene is dead
[2023-01-17T15:58:53Z] <wael_> saturn[m]: hey saturn why don't you try to see twm's features first and then try it out
[2023-01-17T15:59:03Z] <sad_plan> yeah I know. but it was capable back them, I just wasnt as knowledgeable back then
[2023-01-17T15:59:14Z] <wael_> steam just werks
[2023-01-17T15:59:40Z] <sad_plan> yeah, it has progressed alot the last years
[2023-01-17T15:59:41Z] <saturn[m]> wael_: dwm is acting quite silly (freezing my computer, which is probably a skill issue) but twm seems to work so
[2023-01-17T15:59:46Z] <saturn[m]> i am now using twm
[2023-01-17T16:00:15Z] <wael_> nice
[2023-01-17T16:01:01Z] <saturn[m]> i wonder if it can accept hex instead of “darkred”
[2023-01-17T16:10:51Z] <illiliti> which games do you play
[2023-01-17T16:11:12Z] <illiliti> oh shit, internet is slow...
[2023-01-17T16:11:17Z] <wael_> steam games
[2023-01-17T16:11:18Z] <wael_> i guess
[2023-01-17T16:15:13Z] <illiliti> wine/proton or native?
[2023-01-17T16:15:26Z] <wael_> native
[2023-01-17T16:15:35Z] <wael_> a big game like apex legends works too
[2023-01-17T16:15:54Z] <wael_> either flatpak or full native via kiss-multilib
[2023-01-17T16:16:37Z] <illiliti> nice
[2023-01-17T16:16:59Z] <illiliti> i wonder if there's something that works on wayland natively
[2023-01-17T16:17:04Z] <wael_> i'm trying to use flatpak atm because kiss-multilib is a big fucking mess
[2023-01-17T16:17:10Z] <wael_> illiliti: ive tried cs:go
[2023-01-17T16:17:16Z] <wael_> and it works
[2023-01-17T16:17:22Z] <illiliti> i guess sdl-based games should work on wayland, but idk
[2023-01-17T16:17:24Z] <wael_> pretty well actually, just as well as X
[2023-01-17T16:17:45Z] <wael_> illiliti: steam runtime wont allow that
[2023-01-17T16:17:56Z] <illiliti> gog is the way
[2023-01-17T16:18:11Z] <wael_> mfw it doesn't have linux support
[2023-01-17T16:18:47Z] <illiliti> it does
[2023-01-17T16:18:51Z] <wael_> oh
[2023-01-17T16:18:58Z] <wael_> must have misread some thread then,
[2023-01-17T16:19:38Z] <wael_> oh yeah btw illiliti, do you use mblaze yourself?
[2023-01-17T16:20:08Z] <illiliti> not yet, but i want
[2023-01-17T16:20:16Z] <wael_> hm, why?
[2023-01-17T16:20:24Z] <illiliti> i want to get rid of TUIs completely
[2023-01-17T16:20:30Z] <wael_> why?
[2023-01-17T16:20:48Z] <illiliti> they are bad
[2023-01-17T16:21:11Z] <illiliti> based on hacks and crap escape sequencies
[2023-01-17T16:21:19Z] <wael_> oh jesus mblaze is 400k and aerc is 12M
[2023-01-17T16:21:20Z] <illiliti> very unreliable
[2023-01-17T16:21:57Z] <illiliti> cuz aers is written in go
[2023-01-17T16:21:58Z] <wael_> illiliti: can mblaze check for new email notifications? i'm hoping i can get it working alot easier than aerc
[2023-01-17T16:23:29Z] <illiliti> mblaze is merely a convient tool to work with Maildir
[2023-01-17T16:23:49Z] <illiliti> as long as your Maildir is up-to-date, it will handle new emails
[2023-01-17T16:26:31Z] <wael_> can i set $HOME/.mblaze and Maildir to something thats not in the fucking home directory
[2023-01-17T16:27:15Z] <illiliti> i think so
[2023-01-17T16:27:24Z] <wael_> ok i'll look for it
[2023-01-17T16:27:31Z] <wael_> is there some guide or tutorial about mblaze
[2023-01-17T16:28:29Z] <illiliti> man pages
[2023-01-17T16:28:54Z] <wael_> too much to read
[2023-01-17T16:28:59Z] <wael_> aerc has a man page called aerc-tutorial lol
[2023-01-17T16:29:34Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/leahneukirchen/mblaze/issues/184
[2023-01-17T16:30:23Z] <wael_> is mblaze even like
[2023-01-17T16:30:27Z] <wael_> a pop3 or imap client thing
[2023-01-17T16:30:43Z] <illiliti> none
[2023-01-17T16:30:55Z] <illiliti> it is maildir client
[2023-01-17T16:31:17Z] <wael_> so i basically won't see my own emails on my phone's imap e
[2023-01-17T16:31:20Z] <wael_> -mail client
[2023-01-17T16:32:21Z] <illiliti> you gotta send them first using smtp
[2023-01-17T16:32:33Z] <wael_> wdym?
[2023-01-17T16:33:59Z] <illiliti> which emails you need to see? drafts, sent, inbox or ?
[2023-01-17T16:34:08Z] <wael_> inbox
[2023-01-17T16:34:32Z] <illiliti> then it will work just fine
[2023-01-17T16:34:56Z] <illiliti> you can fetch mails over imap and then convert them to maildir format
[2023-01-17T16:35:06Z] <illiliti> there's a tool for that afaik
[2023-01-17T16:35:19Z] <wael_> thats
[2023-01-17T16:35:23Z] <wael_> why 
[2023-01-17T16:35:34Z] <wael_> why would i do that if i can just use one imap client
[2023-01-17T16:36:12Z] <illiliti> cuz it will be a lot simpler to work with
[2023-01-17T16:36:40Z] <illiliti> imap clients are bloated, they don't do one thing
[2023-01-17T16:36:46Z] <illiliti> they do many things
[2023-01-17T16:36:51Z] <illiliti> that's not great
[2023-01-17T16:36:55Z] <wael_> so i have to remember the exact command of 2 to 9 mblaze tools and have another program to handle sending the email, which need another library, and then another program to convert the email sender format to maildir for mblaze
[2023-01-17T16:36:57Z] <wael_> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[2023-01-17T16:37:20Z] <illiliti> yes this is unix way
[2023-01-17T16:37:34Z] <illiliti> you can simplify process using scripts
[2023-01-17T16:37:48Z] <wael_> jeez man
[2023-01-17T16:37:57Z] <wael_> 2overkill&complex4me
[2023-01-17T16:38:14Z] <illiliti> perhaps
[2023-01-17T16:38:27Z] <wael_> i think ill just get used to aerc
[2023-01-17T16:38:36Z] <wael_> i thought mblaze was its own like client utilities that work together
[2023-01-17T16:38:37Z] <wael_> seems not
[2023-01-17T16:38:58Z] <wael_> i mean, they do, but i expected a full imap thing yk
[2023-01-17T16:40:31Z] <illiliti> again, there's a tool to convert imap to maildir. 
[2023-01-17T16:40:38Z] <wael_> plz no
[2023-01-17T16:40:51Z] <illiliti> ok
[2023-01-17T16:42:07Z] * wael_ patiently waits hours for aerc to compile
[2023-01-17T16:43:14Z] <wael_> go is a great programming language
[2023-01-17T16:45:29Z] <illiliti> i wish it death
[2023-01-17T16:45:46Z] <sad_plan> I was just going to say I bet illiliti is screaming right now
[2023-01-17T16:46:02Z] <wael_> yay aerc finished compiling
[2023-01-17T16:46:07Z] <illiliti> xd
[2023-01-17T16:50:11Z] <sad_plan> mktemp is not posix, right?
[2023-01-17T16:50:32Z] <illiliti> not yet
[2023-01-17T16:50:44Z] <sad_plan> but it is up for discusion?
[2023-01-17T16:51:10Z] <illiliti> sort of
[2023-01-17T16:51:15Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2023-01-17T17:06:18Z] <illiliti> do anyone of you use linux with VT disabled?
[2023-01-17T17:06:31Z] <illiliti> i mean CONFIG_VT=n
[2023-01-17T17:06:33Z] <wael_> virtual terminal?
[2023-01-17T17:06:38Z] <illiliti> yep
[2023-01-17T17:11:05Z] <illiliti> i wanna try it and CONFIG_TTY=n
[2023-01-17T17:11:13Z] <wael_> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/njlr5n/life_without_config_vty_in_2021_on_the_desktop/
[2023-01-17T17:11:16Z] <wael_> might be of interest
[2023-01-17T17:11:17Z] <wael_> to read
[2023-01-17T17:11:25Z] <illiliti> but i afraid the latter will break stuff
[2023-01-17T17:11:41Z] <wael_> it will break shit obviously lol
[2023-01-17T17:13:25Z] <illiliti> how to kill legacy otherwise
[2023-01-17T17:15:16Z] <sad_plan> it is interesting. but wouldnt you be left without a tty at all when booting?
[2023-01-17T17:15:24Z] <sad_plan> youd have to boot straight into a gui
[2023-01-17T17:15:29Z] <wael_> one could use kmscon
[2023-01-17T17:15:38Z] <sad_plan> yeah, i read that
[2023-01-17T17:15:46Z] <wael_> kmscon is dead tho as said in the post above
[2023-01-17T17:15:56Z] <sad_plan> which I dont have. and its dead as you just said
[2023-01-17T17:33:48Z] <phoebos> https://tmp.bvnf.space/busybox-mua
[2023-01-17T17:33:52Z] <phoebos> smtp script
[2023-01-17T17:42:47Z] <wael_> very ool
[2023-01-17T19:36:37Z] <wael_> `CMD_ARGS=( "$@" )`
[2023-01-17T19:36:41Z] <wael_> the most useless bash line in existence
[2023-01-17T19:47:38Z] <midfavila-tab> not "/n"?
[2023-01-17T19:47:51Z] <midfavila-tab> \n even
[2023-01-17T19:48:51Z] <sad_plan> can head not print certain lines? or should I rather use sed for that?
[2023-01-17T19:50:56Z] <sad_plan> hm. seems not
[2023-01-17T20:03:37Z] <midfavila-tab> head prints the n first lines
[2023-01-17T20:03:53Z] <midfavila-tab> sed would be the correct tool to print a range
[2023-01-17T20:04:55Z] <sad_plan> I figured
[2023-01-17T21:54:58Z] <Ellowee[m]> Or head+tail, but yeah
[2023-01-17T21:56:15Z] <midfavila-tab> there's no reason to use head and tail in conjunction when sed exists
[2023-01-17T21:56:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <wael_> "https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/..." <- why wouldn't you want a tty?
[2023-01-17T22:09:48Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://www.securitynewspaper.com/2023/01/16/a-new-privilege-escalation-vulnerability-in-the-linux-kernel-enables-a-local-attacker-to-execute-malware-on-vulnerable-systems/ update you systems!!!!
[2023-01-17T22:09:55Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/you/your/
[2023-01-17T22:13:18Z] <illiliti> or CONFIG_NETFILTER=n
[2023-01-17T22:13:41Z] <illiliti> it's useless on desktop anyway imho
[2023-01-17T22:19:00Z] <midfavila-tab> needs local execution capabilities
[2023-01-17T22:19:08Z] <midfavila-tab> nothingburger for PCs
[2023-01-17T22:35:05Z] <oak[m]> are there any up to date sowm patches? everyone i find is broken because it is based on a newer version.
[2023-01-17T23:04:31Z] <oak[m]> <oak[m]> "are there any up to date sowm..." <- I am fixing them right now, its really easy and you dont really need the patches anymore.