[2023-02-12T01:15:18Z] <midfavila> https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4
[2023-02-12T01:15:21Z] <midfavila> pls pin this
[2023-02-12T03:38:37Z] <sewn> Hi
[2023-02-12T03:42:32Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Hi
[2023-02-12T03:44:17Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <shokara_> "why not mumble for voice chat..." <- you can always use arecord, netcat, ssh port forwarding and aplay. 
[2023-02-12T03:44:28Z] <niceguy5000[m]> if you want to go the suckless way.
[2023-02-12T03:52:00Z] <shokara_> of course
[2023-02-12T03:52:23Z] <shokara_> I first heard of this with people using sox for this
[2023-02-12T05:36:10Z] <testuser[m]1> Hi
[2023-02-12T06:13:07Z] <niceguy5000[m]> who is that dog testuser?
[2023-02-12T06:13:10Z] <niceguy5000[m]> is that your cute dog?
[2023-02-12T06:13:31Z] <sewn> Its a selfie
[2023-02-12T06:21:37Z] <niceguy5000[m]> How can he hold his phone and take a selfie with those paws?
[2023-02-12T06:22:19Z] <sewn> Don't underestimate his abilities
[2023-02-12T06:22:32Z] <niceguy5000[m]> impossible!
[2023-02-12T06:23:38Z] <niceguy5000[m]> don't tell me he's the maintainer of code-berg kiss repository too?
[2023-02-12T06:23:48Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I don't buy it!
[2023-02-12T06:25:51Z] <sewn> pratham or his hacker pseudonym git-bruh is not testuser (real)
[2023-02-12T06:27:12Z] <niceguy5000[m]> What? He's not testuser? They have the same pfp?
[2023-02-12T06:27:23Z] <sewn> unreal
[2023-02-12T06:28:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://pratham.cc/
[2023-02-12T06:28:09Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what happen to the website?
[2023-02-12T06:29:08Z] <niceguy5000[m]> It's him, remember when he said something about his provider having problems? Now his website is down?
[2023-02-12T06:29:48Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://media.tenor.com/d_2-1aIWtaoAAAAC/detective-daffy-investigate.gif
[2023-02-12T06:30:24Z] <sewn> Its his brother frdr
[2023-02-12T06:31:16Z] <niceguy5000[m]> impossible!
[2023-02-12T11:29:38Z] <phoebos> sewn: did you mean sccache on the issue tracker? ccache doesn't require the same absolute paths
[2023-02-12T11:30:04Z] <phoebos> setting KISS_PID is only for debugging
[2023-02-12T11:30:38Z] <sewn> for me ccache was effective when an absolute path was set
[2023-02-12T13:49:48Z] <illiliti> > New hb-cairo API for integrating with cairo graphics library. This is provided as a separate harfbuzz-cairo library.
[2023-02-12T13:49:54Z] <illiliti> i think we will need freetype-harfbuzz-cairo soon
[2023-02-12T15:12:50Z] <midfavila> mfw once i get rid of pidgin i won't need freetype, harfbuzz or cairo
[2023-02-12T15:13:00Z] <midfavila> get dunked on gtklets/qtlets
[2023-02-12T15:13:17Z] <midfavila> embrace xaw illiliti
[2023-02-12T22:07:03Z] <niceguy5000[m]> hey guys I'm working on suckless AI tool using python.
[2023-02-12T22:14:57Z] <shokara_> suckless and python?
[2023-02-12T22:20:52Z] <midfavila> yeah you kind of disqualified yourself from the get-go niceguy
[2023-02-12T22:36:25Z] <shokara_> I suppose simple instead of suckless would be a better term for this
[2023-02-12T23:00:27Z] <midfavila> considering selling my workstation and getting a smaller setup
[2023-02-12T23:01:05Z] <midfavila> any of you guys know of reasonably freedom-respecting desktops with decent PCIe expansion?
[2023-02-12T23:01:51Z] <midfavila> main interest is in avoiding the need to use proprietary blobs for the motherboard's built-in hardware, as well as (if possible) getting a pre-ME/PSP board
[2023-02-12T23:07:35Z] <shokara_> maybe look at the older core/libreboot boards?
[2023-02-12T23:07:51Z] <midfavila> Fair enough.
[2023-02-12T23:08:01Z] <midfavila> I've also considered just not getting another computer for a while
[2023-02-12T23:08:11Z] <shokara_> I think the gigabyte ga41m-something might fit those requirements
[2023-02-12T23:08:46Z] <midfavila> ga-g41m-es2l?
[2023-02-12T23:08:50Z] <shokara_> yeah
[2023-02-12T23:09:13Z] <shokara_> going off the top of my head though because I was looking for a replacement motherboard recently
[2023-02-12T23:09:58Z] <midfavila> looks like the ram init code for the g41m is really uh
[2023-02-12T23:10:00Z] <midfavila> not great
[2023-02-12T23:10:08Z] <shokara_> it has pcie, parallel, and serial ports
[2023-02-12T23:10:08Z] <shokara_> hm
[2023-02-12T23:10:09Z] <midfavila> very picky apparently
[2023-02-12T23:10:29Z] <midfavila> "Many other modules will probably work just fine, but raminit is very picky on this board. Your mileage will fluctuate, wildly."
[2023-02-12T23:10:51Z] <shokara_> I thought only the amd boards (kcma and kgpe) had bad raminit :/
[2023-02-12T23:11:09Z] <midfavila> i considered a kgpe when building this setup
[2023-02-12T23:11:19Z] <midfavila> but ultimately i couldn't justify the cost 
[2023-02-12T23:12:16Z] <shokara_> what about the ga-945gcm-s2l? seems to be pre-me too (ich7)
[2023-02-12T23:12:18Z] <niceguy5000[m]> have you tried one of these pcs? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08W9891TQ?tag=bgfg-wepc-us-20&linkCode=assoc-rails-rate-card-link-code-tw3
[2023-02-12T23:12:29Z] <midfavila> >he links ME to an Amazon page
[2023-02-12T23:12:43Z] <midfavila> anyway bezos is filtering me with captcha so
[2023-02-12T23:12:46Z] <midfavila> alternate source pls
[2023-02-12T23:12:57Z] <midfavila> will look at that shokie thx
[2023-02-12T23:13:24Z] <shokara_> https://www.coreboot.org/Board:gigabyte/ga-945gcm-s2l seems like it's fine
[2023-02-12T23:14:02Z] <midfavila> looks like it needs blobs, but only for ucode, yeah?
[2023-02-12T23:14:15Z] <shokara_> I think so
[2023-02-12T23:14:40Z] <niceguy5000[m]> how about a soc cluster?
[2023-02-12T23:15:06Z] <midfavila> no
[2023-02-12T23:15:25Z] <niceguy5000[m]> they don't have blobs.
[2023-02-12T23:15:25Z] <midfavila> i'm trying to reduce the complexity of my life and in particular my relationship with computers
[2023-02-12T23:15:39Z] <niceguy5000[m]> and you have like 4 pcs running on 1 with vnc in a network.
[2023-02-12T23:15:39Z] <midfavila> having a janky setup with a bunch of SoCs would be like
[2023-02-12T23:15:46Z] <midfavila> the opposite of what i want
[2023-02-12T23:15:53Z] <niceguy5000[m]> like dwm multiple spaces.
[2023-02-12T23:16:01Z] <midfavila> = w=
[2023-02-12T23:16:10Z] <midfavila> i'll pass
[2023-02-12T23:18:49Z] <midfavila> the board you linked looks like it might be okay shokara
[2023-02-12T23:19:11Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I think that's truely the way to run blobless system. I can't find another way unless you just use a thinkpad libreboot.
[2023-02-12T23:19:15Z] <shokara_> oo
[2023-02-12T23:19:24Z] <midfavila> SBCs are garbage in terms of computer user freedom.
[2023-02-12T23:19:27Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/truely/truly/
[2023-02-12T23:19:46Z] <midfavila> my current PC is better than an SBC/SoC/IoT/ABC/whatever-the-fuck cluster
[2023-02-12T23:20:03Z] <midfavila> sorry not sorry
[2023-02-12T23:20:06Z] <shokara_> and I don't know of many (I think only one?) sbcs with a pcie port
[2023-02-12T23:20:11Z] <midfavila> also that
[2023-02-12T23:20:42Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what's your current system?
[2023-02-12T23:20:44Z] <shokara_> the honeycomb lx2 iirc has a pcie port, but I don't know about what blobs it has, is like US$750(?), and their site requires a captcha over tor
[2023-02-12T23:21:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you guys use tor all the time?
[2023-02-12T23:21:52Z] <shokara_> I do
[2023-02-12T23:22:27Z] <shokara_> but I'm connected to libera through a biboumi instance and not directly over tor
[2023-02-12T23:22:32Z] <niceguy5000[m]> is it a router tor?
[2023-02-12T23:22:38Z] <midfavila> niceguy5000[m], intel s2600cw2r with dual xeon 2670v3s, 32gb of ecc ddr4, wx5100 GPU with triple EIZO displays, LSI 9240 disk controller with two HGST SAS 3tb drives and two Samsung SLC SAS SSDs about 200gb each, with an ASUS Xonar STX for sound I/O. i've also got a serial card installed that i need to replace with a SuperIO, and a USB3 header expansion
[2023-02-12T23:22:39Z] <niceguy5000[m]>  * is it a tor router?
[2023-02-12T23:22:42Z] <shokara_> I don't know what happened to my old nick
[2023-02-12T23:23:02Z] <midfavila> powered by a corsair rm750x and housed inside a coolermaster cosmos ii
[2023-02-12T23:23:05Z] <shokara_> by tor router are you asking if I have transparent proxying through tor on my router?
[2023-02-12T23:23:18Z] <shokara_> if so, then no.
[2023-02-12T23:23:31Z] <midfavila> galic>onion
[2023-02-12T23:23:32Z] <midfavila> fact
[2023-02-12T23:23:58Z] <midfavila> if i cared more i'd probably set up routing over i2p on my router
[2023-02-12T23:24:04Z] <midfavila> but it's like
[2023-02-12T23:24:22Z] <midfavila> the only thing glowies are going to find is furry porn and wiby.me searches for IBM 5150 BIOS details
[2023-02-12T23:24:27Z] <midfavila> so
[2023-02-12T23:24:28Z] * midfavila shrugs?
[2023-02-12T23:25:16Z] <midfavila> anyway yeah current PC only needs one blob, that being for the GPU
[2023-02-12T23:25:18Z] <shokara_> if you set up i2p on your router, won't you only be able to access .i2p addresses? (unless you setup a separate outproxy, but why not just tor then?)
[2023-02-12T23:25:33Z] <midfavila> because tor is gay and i want to be cool
[2023-02-12T23:25:41Z] <shokara_> understandable
[2023-02-12T23:25:43Z] <midfavila> and rebellious
[2023-02-12T23:25:49Z] <midfavila> i'm not like your other darknet users
[2023-02-12T23:25:57Z] <midfavila> gosh
[2023-02-12T23:26:10Z] <shokara_> but I just don't get why not use i2p locally
[2023-02-12T23:27:05Z] <midfavila> idk man you think i know anything about computers lmao
[2023-02-12T23:27:08Z] <niceguy5000[m]> midfavila: you're running libreboot?
[2023-02-12T23:27:18Z] <shokara_> lol
[2023-02-12T23:27:20Z] <midfavila> niceguy5000[m]: unfortunately no, the s2600cw2r doesn't have coreboot or libreboot
[2023-02-12T23:27:34Z] <midfavila> so i suppose that's one other area that the machine could be improved
[2023-02-12T23:27:52Z] <midfavila> if i had the requisite skills, equipment, and time i'd probably give developing a port a shot
[2023-02-12T23:27:55Z] <shokara_> I suppose another blob needed four your computer is the proprietary bios then? :D
[2023-02-12T23:28:02Z] <midfavila> because it's a fantastic board
[2023-02-12T23:28:05Z] * midfavila eyerolls
[2023-02-12T23:28:11Z] <midfavila> yeah yeah w/e
[2023-02-12T23:28:21Z] <midfavila> point is it's significantly less pozzed than most modern machines but it could be better
[2023-02-12T23:29:07Z] <shokara_> I think coreboot's autoport has some support for haswell, which you can try using
[2023-02-12T23:29:21Z] <midfavila> i think this uses a modified haswell so
[2023-02-12T23:29:30Z] <midfavila> dunno how well that would play
[2023-02-12T23:29:36Z] <midfavila> i think intel lists it as haswell-e?
[2023-02-12T23:29:44Z] <shokara_> * Code Name Products formerly Haswell
[2023-02-12T23:30:09Z] <niceguy5000[m]> did you remove ME in your cpu?
[2023-02-12T23:30:10Z] <shokara_> "/haswell-e" "Search string not found"
[2023-02-12T23:30:34Z] <shokara_> either way, autoport I know has much better support for sandy/ivy bridge
[2023-02-12T23:30:40Z] <midfavila> niceguy5000[m]: no, and there's probably a few other things that i haven't done, but i'm not in the mood for dick measuring right now
[2023-02-12T23:30:48Z] <midfavila> i *really* do not have the energy for the usual 
[2023-02-12T23:31:43Z] <shokara_> 12c/24t on a single cpu seems really nice though
[2023-02-12T23:31:53Z] <midfavila> it is, especially when you have two CPUs
[2023-02-12T23:32:08Z] <shokara_> there is a haswell supermicro board supported by coreboot too
[2023-02-12T23:32:12Z] <midfavila> makes working with VMs or large codebases really easy
[2023-02-12T23:32:15Z] <midfavila> oh?
[2023-02-12T23:32:26Z] <shokara_> but it's not pre-me obviously
[2023-02-12T23:32:38Z] <midfavila> pre-me is more of a bonus
[2023-02-12T23:34:07Z] <midfavila> looks like the coreboot hardware support page lists all of the supermicro boards as "unknown" when they were last supported
[2023-02-12T23:34:43Z] <shokara_> hm
[2023-02-12T23:34:53Z] <midfavila> i did find an interesting board that i'm looking into rn though
[2023-02-12T23:34:58Z] <midfavila> >LibreTrend LT1000
[2023-02-12T23:35:03Z] <shokara_> ah that one
[2023-02-12T23:35:09Z] <niceguy5000[m]> how much did you buy the intel s2600cw2r for?
[2023-02-12T23:35:12Z] <shokara_> I wasn't sure where to buy it
[2023-02-12T23:35:22Z] <midfavila> motherboard was the most expensive part in my main PC by far
[2023-02-12T23:35:25Z] <midfavila> about 450CAD 
[2023-02-12T23:36:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I see them going for 750 in ebay.
[2023-02-12T23:36:12Z] <midfavila> i'm good at thrifting
[2023-02-12T23:36:13Z] <midfavila> :p 
[2023-02-12T23:36:53Z] <midfavila> ugh uxp stumbles over more and more websites by the day
[2023-02-12T23:37:19Z] <shokara_> as usual I can't open large sites in webkitgtk :/
[2023-02-12T23:37:22Z] <midfavila> looks like libretrend.com isn't responding 
[2023-02-12T23:37:22Z] <midfavila> bleh
[2023-02-12T23:37:29Z] <midfavila> yeah that seems to be a pattern
[2023-02-12T23:37:42Z] <midfavila> i've even noticed that on my pinenote using a chromium browser a lot of sites still refuse to work properly
[2023-02-12T23:37:51Z] <midfavila> it *has* to be *google* chrome on a windows PC 
[2023-02-12T23:37:53Z] <shokara_> the weird thing is that webkitprocess also segfaults even with js disabled
[2023-02-12T23:37:57Z] <midfavila> ugh
[2023-02-12T23:38:10Z] <shokara_> at least it isn't microsoft edge
[2023-02-12T23:38:13Z] <midfavila> i unironically think the web is going to be responsible for me having an early heart attack
[2023-02-12T23:38:27Z] <midfavila> not even joking
[2023-02-12T23:38:51Z] <shokara_> "504 Gateway Time-out" maybe that's why I can't find the lt1000 on ebay either, basically no one is able to buy it new in the first place.
[2023-02-12T23:38:57Z] <midfavila> yah
[2023-02-12T23:41:56Z] * midfavila sighs
[2023-02-12T23:43:02Z] <midfavila> oh yeah, i guess the other reason i'm interested in downsizing my setup is because i'm probably going to move soon
[2023-02-12T23:43:17Z] <midfavila> my province is getting way too expensive to stay in