[2023-04-27T01:07:46Z] hi im trying to see if kisslinux meets my requirements, is it expected to be able to maintain our own initial install tarballs and package repos from here on out? i know there are community repos and some forks but probably better to be self sufficient, thanks in advance [2023-04-27T01:16:52Z] Gremlin8483: if you want to experiment with the base set of packages, it might be better to be self-sufficient, yes [2023-04-27T01:19:13Z] thanks for the reply, from what i read its relatively trivial to make a tarball using the package manager to build the pkgs; i have another question, i mostly use POSIX shell as my main scripting language, i heard that should be enough here? no wierd languages or build syntaxes other than posix and c? [2023-04-27T01:20:02Z] correct [2023-04-27T01:20:14Z] most of us use POSIX bourne and C here [2023-04-27T01:20:32Z] that alone is a huge plus for me [2023-04-27T01:20:38Z] it's not unheard of for people here to work with other languages though [2023-04-27T01:20:41Z] but it's not super common [2023-04-27T01:21:04Z] usually python and lua, but I'll often talk about scheme [2023-04-27T01:21:12Z] i like using other languages, but when it comes to adding them into oses, the complexity is too much [2023-04-27T01:21:15Z] forth as well [2023-04-27T01:21:19Z] plus every distro has their own special language [2023-04-27T01:21:21Z] and yes, you aren't wrong [2023-04-27T01:21:34Z] i use bourne and C begrudgingly, for systems programming [2023-04-27T01:21:43Z] but i can get away with just posix and c, no need to touch the rest [2023-04-27T01:21:49Z] if there's a specialized task that a more expressive language is better at solving, i'll use it then, but... [2023-04-27T01:21:52Z] meh [2023-04-27T01:22:00Z] thank goodness [2023-04-27T01:22:34Z] are we still talking about the distro or programming in general [2023-04-27T01:22:42Z] programming in general [2023-04-27T01:22:42Z] cuz for programming in general anything goes [2023-04-27T01:22:46Z] ah gotcha [2023-04-27T01:22:48Z] kiss isn't really a distro per se [2023-04-27T01:22:56Z] it's just a package manager [2023-04-27T01:23:00Z] fine with me [2023-04-27T01:23:09Z] like, me for example, i haven't tracked community or official in years [2023-04-27T01:23:17Z] if there is a philosophy attached to it (simple, posix, c), then that to me is a distro in spirit [2023-04-27T01:23:22Z] sometimes i'll copy packages but it's not common [2023-04-27T01:23:26Z] and i suppose that that's fair [2023-04-27T01:24:09Z] anyway yeah, nobody here will begrudge you for using C or POSIX shell [2023-04-27T01:24:12Z] i hopped ALL the distros so far, and i think the recurring theme is, this distro lets you do this, this distro doesnt allow those packages, or those build flags [2023-04-27T01:24:15Z] trying to get away from that [2023-04-27T01:24:18Z] * midfavila nods [2023-04-27T01:25:05Z] KISS is basically LFS, so if you can figure it out you can do it. no need to fight against preexisting crap because... there really isn't any [2023-04-27T01:25:28Z] i watched a tutorial on lfs, itwasnt clear to me how dependency management worked there, i read it was a pain [2023-04-27T01:25:39Z] it uh, didn't work, because there's no package manager [2023-04-27T01:25:48Z] but i am decent with posix, so maybe this is the distro for me [2023-04-27T01:25:50Z] you hand-solve dependency chains and then... yeah [2023-04-27T01:25:56Z] and hey, only way to know is to try [2023-04-27T01:26:03Z] unpack a tarball and chroot into it and fiddle for a bit [2023-04-27T01:26:03Z] installing on a laptop as we speak [2023-04-27T01:26:12Z] using the gentoo livecd [2023-04-27T01:26:17Z] >genpoo [2023-04-27T01:26:20Z] * midfavila retches [2023-04-27T01:26:22Z] i did some gentoo yesterday but it wasnt for me [2023-04-27T01:26:42Z] i thought it was a flexible independent distro at first, but all the dependencies python perl and portage [2023-04-27T01:26:46Z] confusing as hell [2023-04-27T01:26:48Z] yeah [2023-04-27T01:27:00Z] if you want the ultimate in customization, use KISS [2023-04-27T01:27:18Z] plus it puts you on a set linear path of repos, with profiles and system sets [2023-04-27T01:27:22Z] but expect to spend a not insignificant amount of time digging yourself out of any holes you fall into while tinkering [2023-04-27T01:27:26Z] just another word for you must go this route or else [2023-04-27T01:27:33Z] thats the price of freedom [2023-04-27T01:27:47Z] i want freedom but i dont want to reinvent the wheel [2023-04-27T01:28:01Z] the posix part is what decides it for me, its how i would do it if i wanted to make a modular simple os [2023-04-27T01:29:42Z] oh boy is it ever the price of freedom [2023-04-27T01:29:48Z] i've spent weeks fucking around with CDE [2023-04-27T01:29:52Z] trying to get it to run on KISS [2023-04-27T01:29:56Z] and it's really not cooperating [2023-04-27T01:30:11Z] id rather waste time on something rather than give up control [2023-04-27T01:30:13Z] first you give up a little [2023-04-27T01:30:16Z] then more, and more [2023-04-27T01:30:24Z] well, welcome to the club, then [2023-04-27T01:30:44Z] cool beans, i hope this is the one, but i said that a lot, from debian to alpine to bsds to here [2023-04-27T01:32:13Z] but i will say you can never appreciate what you have here without experiencing all the others, you would instead be asking, why this hassle, and doubt yourself [2023-04-27T01:33:06Z] you aren't wrong [2023-04-27T01:38:52Z] what kind of problem did you have with cde, btw? [2023-04-27T01:40:11Z] oh, it's just not linking properly during build [2023-04-27T01:40:29Z] musl issue? [2023-04-27T01:40:39Z] no, i think it's something to do with their build system [2023-04-27T01:40:45Z] it's just not issuing the right linker commands for some reason [2023-04-27T01:41:06Z] if only c build systems adopted kiss [2023-04-27T01:41:27Z] there would be no need for heaven, we'd already be there [2023-04-27T01:55:40Z] https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=7nKZuIyPMKs [2023-04-27T01:55:47Z] it's a terrible night to have to debug this shit [2023-04-27T01:59:22Z] damn i wish i had sound on this machine [2023-04-27T01:59:31Z] what is this, debugging music? [2023-04-27T01:59:50Z] no it's a cover of bloody tears from simon's quest [2023-04-27T02:00:04Z] as it is pulseaudio fubared my sound, while strangley microphone still works [2023-04-27T02:00:09Z] well, i suppose it's debugging music in the sense that i'm listening to it while figuring this out [2023-04-27T02:00:13Z] i watched a speedrun of that recently it hink [2023-04-27T02:00:25Z] is that the one wher eyou have multiple characters and divergine paths [2023-04-27T02:00:29Z] if it's the open world one tha- no [2023-04-27T02:00:32Z] that sounds like 3 or 4 [2023-04-27T02:00:36Z] simon's quest is the second [2023-04-27T02:00:42Z] it's the open world one that everyone says is shit [2023-04-27T02:01:08Z] they are all decent in my mind, did you ever play them all? [2023-04-27T02:01:25Z] i played the first and second when i was really young but i haven't gone back to games in a while [2023-04-27T02:01:28Z] short of some open source stuff [2023-04-27T02:01:42Z] yea same linux is my 'games' now [2023-04-27T02:01:48Z] i'm hoping that after finishing the next tarball of my KISS fork i'll be able to set up an emulator and stuff [2023-04-27T02:01:49Z] i played symphony of night [2023-04-27T02:02:01Z] better start archiving roms and stuff [2023-04-27T02:02:03Z] that's one of the GBA ones right? [2023-04-27T02:02:10Z] i think the internet will become more restrictive in the future [2023-04-27T02:02:16Z] playstation [2023-04-27T02:02:18Z] aah [2023-04-27T02:02:19Z] its the highest rated one [2023-04-27T02:07:30Z] >genpoo | nice [2023-04-27T02:08:05Z] isn't simon's quest a castlevania game [2023-04-27T02:08:09Z] yes [2023-04-27T02:08:10Z] the second [2023-04-27T02:08:23Z] and, imo, one of the most underrated games of all time [2023-04-27T02:08:30Z] i wanna play it at some point [2023-04-27T02:08:42Z] highly recommended, but you'll need a walkthrough [2023-04-27T02:08:44Z] the silence of daylight is a cool track [2023-04-27T02:09:10Z] i remember watching this MAD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y6ARRlLlhg [2023-04-27T02:10:02Z] hm [2023-04-27T02:10:09Z] KISS emulators on KISS linux... [2023-04-27T02:10:16Z] I know one [2023-04-27T02:10:23Z] https://github.com/rofl0r/gnuboy gameboy [2023-04-27T02:10:34Z] do you know of a minimal DS emulator? [2023-04-27T02:10:40Z] i want to replay Explorers of Sky [2023-04-27T02:10:42Z] lets see [2023-04-27T02:10:49Z] desmume... melonds... not sure [2023-04-27T02:11:02Z] desmume doesn't build for me unfortunately [2023-04-27T02:11:03Z] no$gba is probably quite minimal , but its proprietary [2023-04-27T02:11:13Z] hm maybe try an older release [2023-04-27T02:11:18Z] desmume doesn't get much activity anyways [2023-04-27T02:12:01Z] >DeSmuME 0.9.10 released! November 28th, 2013 [2023-04-27T02:12:03Z] >DeSmuME 0.9.11 released! April 15th, 2015 [2023-04-27T02:12:08Z] ?DeSmuME 0.9.13 released! May 23rd, 2022 [2023-04-27T02:12:12Z] fail [2023-04-27T02:12:14Z] quoting fail [2023-04-27T02:14:56Z] pretty much config for everything pacakge related is stored in shell .profile? simple and genius [2023-04-27T02:16:00Z] what about retroarch? they are kinda bloated tho [2023-04-27T02:16:35Z] yeah, it's an option, just not my first choice [2023-04-27T02:27:00Z] being new to packaging, is there any advantage/skill involved in having "official packages" in terms of security? or its just a matter of timely applying patches that anyone can do? [2023-04-27T02:28:16Z] i meant offical packages as in distro-maintainers for like distros with big repos, is the security work they do specialized? [2023-04-27T02:28:32Z] for most? i would say probably not [2023-04-27T02:28:42Z] red hat probably does internal R&D for security [2023-04-27T02:28:51Z] openwall most definitely does a lot of that sort of stuff [2023-04-27T02:28:56Z] debian might [2023-04-27T02:29:01Z] but honestly? just steal their patches [2023-04-27T02:29:05Z] sorry, borry [2023-04-27T02:29:07Z] borrow even [2023-04-27T02:29:08Z] fuck [2023-04-27T02:29:13Z] haha that makes a lot of sense [2023-04-27T02:29:20Z] "appropriate" [2023-04-27T02:29:28Z] exactly [2023-04-27T02:30:26Z] sorry borry [2023-04-27T02:30:26Z] i was thinking gen[tp]oo, since they have a hardened package branch [2023-04-27T02:30:33Z] tp=toilet paper [2023-04-27T02:30:47Z] that might just be a different set of cflags [2023-04-27T02:31:07Z] shouldnt the upstream source be resposnible for most security patches? [2023-04-27T02:31:10Z] -pipe -w -O2 -fno-expensive-optimizations -fno-expensive-optimizations -D_GLIBCXX_ASSERTIONS -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fno-plt -fisolate-erroneous-paths-attribute -fstack-protector-strong --param ssp-buffer-size=4 -fstack-clash-protection [2023-04-27T02:31:10Z] use these or a subset thereof and you'll be fine [2023-04-27T02:31:14Z] and yes, that would be ideal [2023-04-27T02:31:15Z] or they might not be timely enough [2023-04-27T02:31:18Z] but sometimes upstream is stupi- yeah [2023-04-27T02:31:26Z] ah now it all starts making sense [2023-04-27T02:31:29Z] why things the way they are [2023-04-27T02:31:43Z] you simply dont learn a lot of this stuff using debian day to day [2023-04-27T02:32:47Z] meanwhile, my laptop is now an expensive hotplate for the next few hours presumably [2023-04-27T02:33:06Z] at some point i really need to start doing binaries for people [2023-04-27T02:33:27Z] open question, do any of you know who runs the kiss community server? i don't mind setting my workstation to run builds of all the community binaries once or twice a month [2023-04-27T02:33:50Z] charge a compilation cpu time and service tax (jk) [2023-04-27T02:37:27Z] >i don't mind setting my workstation to run builds of all the community binaries once or twice a month [2023-04-27T02:37:28Z] wut [2023-04-27T02:37:31Z] but werent you going to sell it [2023-04-27T02:37:41Z] i'm still trying to find someone who isn't going to rip me off [2023-04-27T02:37:51Z] one guy messaged me a while back offering 1500 [2023-04-27T02:37:53Z] rip you off like pay too little? [2023-04-27T02:37:58Z] yes [2023-04-27T02:38:07Z] you were asking like 3k for it right? [2023-04-27T02:38:15Z] at least 2500 [2023-04-27T02:38:24Z] it's worth more [2023-04-27T02:38:28Z] yah 2.5k is the bare minimum i agree [2023-04-27T02:38:34Z] thats quite a huge lowball [2023-04-27T02:38:37Z] i mean its a great workstation [2023-04-27T02:38:44Z] but its not like balls to the wall expensive [2023-04-27T02:38:46Z] block that user immediately [2023-04-27T02:38:56Z] indeed, Gremlin8483, especially considering the motherboard alone is selling for 1100 to 1400CAD on its own [2023-04-27T02:39:02Z] intel s2600cw2r [2023-04-27T02:39:07Z] oh ok i didnt know that. lol [2023-04-27T02:39:18Z] if someone is asking a certain amount and you lowball them almost 50%, that is a red flag [2023-04-27T02:39:29Z] it's basic economics [2023-04-27T02:39:33Z] or, well, business [2023-04-27T02:39:36Z] then its worth 3.5k at the very least, or youre getting your balls broken [2023-04-27T02:39:49Z] sellers should always highball, buyers lowball [2023-04-27T02:40:00Z] anyone who takes a price at face value without negotiating is a sucker [2023-04-27T02:40:12Z] lowball based on the real value, 50% discount is too much [2023-04-27T02:40:27Z] his whole thing was "well ya know it *is* a haswell..." [2023-04-27T02:40:37Z] and it's like... yeah so what? it's a 48 thread workstation [2023-04-27T02:40:38Z] hes right though [2023-04-27T02:40:51Z] yeah but that single core performance sucks pelotas [2023-04-27T02:41:01Z] drez, if the main value of the machine was single-core CPU performance, i would agree [2023-04-27T02:41:05Z] but it's not [2023-04-27T02:41:08Z] i see [2023-04-27T02:41:13Z] the CPUs in this thing are maybe 60$ tops, together [2023-04-27T02:41:17Z] because xeons are dirt cheap [2023-04-27T02:41:28Z] my workstation is very similar to yours [2023-04-27T02:41:31Z] except opterons instead of xeons [2023-04-27T02:41:40Z] it's the motherboard, chassis, and storage that contribute most to the value of my setup [2023-04-27T02:42:10Z] i was considering an opteron machine originally [2023-04-27T02:42:15Z] i have a kgpe [2023-04-27T02:42:16Z] for that sweet, sweet libreboot [2023-04-27T02:42:19Z] whats are the storage and motherboard features? i havent built any machines in a long while [2023-04-27T02:42:26Z] pretty happy about it [2023-04-27T02:42:28Z] but there is one thing [2023-04-27T02:42:32Z] it uses way too much power [2023-04-27T02:42:38Z] wayyyyy too much [2023-04-27T02:42:55Z] made by worse by the fact i have a rx 480 installed on it [2023-04-27T02:43:18Z] of my machine? i've got 6tb of HGST hard disk space, ~400gb of SLC samsung solid state, and a 1gb onboard SSD for rescues [2023-04-27T02:43:19Z] as for the motherboard's features... it doesn't really have any of its own, which is why i bought it [2023-04-27T02:43:24Z] but it has fuckhuge expansion capability [2023-04-27T02:43:33Z] 1gb onboard? [2023-04-27T02:43:36Z] like part of the mobo? [2023-04-27T02:43:47Z] yeah. it's a little integrated USB drive [2023-04-27T02:43:51Z] oh, cool [2023-04-27T02:43:52Z] uses a little header [2023-04-27T02:43:58Z] hey, the little usb header [2023-04-27T02:44:01Z] 9-pin i think? [2023-04-27T02:44:05Z] i never knew how important sata ports were before i built mine [2023-04-27T02:44:16Z] but i did so 10 yrs ago so still old tech [2023-04-27T02:44:20Z] my mobo might have a few sata ports but [2023-04-27T02:44:22Z] the kgpe has an actual usb 2.0 port on the board that's not part of the backplate [2023-04-27T02:44:32Z] i use a discrete disk controller card and SAS disks [2023-04-27T02:44:35Z] LSI9240 [2023-04-27T02:44:45Z] so fancy [2023-04-27T02:44:46Z] i have no idea what those even are at this time [2023-04-27T02:44:52Z] i know sas is backwards sata compatible [2023-04-27T02:44:57Z] yeah [2023-04-27T02:45:09Z] it's basically just scsi over sata's physical layer [2023-04-27T02:45:10Z] sounds fancy [2023-04-27T02:45:19Z] ikr [2023-04-27T02:45:26Z] SAS disks are just cheaper and potentially higher quality than SATA ones [2023-04-27T02:45:44Z] plus if i need to do a low-level format like to change block sizes or whatever my card can do that, too [2023-04-27T02:45:49Z] which has actually come in handy a few times [2023-04-27T02:45:56Z] didnt know that, i bought a rack server to play around with and it has sas, didnt research it much yet [2023-04-27T02:46:30Z] change block sizes? [2023-04-27T02:46:41Z] does that somehow configure the storage devices themselves? [2023-04-27T02:46:54Z] sector sizes w/e, it's been a while since i've looked into it [2023-04-27T02:46:55Z] and yes, that's correct [2023-04-27T02:46:55Z] ion get it [2023-04-27T02:47:03Z] whoa, impressive, very nice [2023-04-27T02:47:14Z] it's been a while since i've looked into it so i won't try to explain in detail because i don't want to deceive you by accident [2023-04-27T02:47:36Z] but from what i recall the size of sectors isn't fixed, it's set by the factory in most cases [2023-04-27T02:47:37Z] but not all [2023-04-27T02:47:50Z] so if you get a disk that isn't set up in that way, your OS won't be able to use it [2023-04-27T02:47:58Z] hence the utility of a "low level" format [2023-04-27T02:48:20Z] idk if it can be done from within an OS or not [2023-04-27T02:48:27Z] might be able to [2023-04-27T02:48:31Z] haven't bothered to look [2023-04-27T02:51:17Z] how fast does your machine build the kiss core/extras when installing? [2023-04-27T02:51:42Z] took my poor intel 8364U laptop an hour, maybe a bit more [2023-04-27T02:52:00Z] i don't track upstream [2023-04-27T02:52:06Z] but i can rebuild my entire core in... [2023-04-27T02:52:08Z] maybe ten minutes [2023-04-27T02:52:14Z] that's just an estimate, it's probably less [2023-04-27T02:52:23Z] but that should reflect on my choice of software as much as my machine [2023-04-27T02:52:26Z] truly porche vs honda civic [2023-04-27T02:52:43Z] even among kiss users my fork is particularly low-fat [2023-04-27T02:53:09Z] do you share the package list some place? [2023-04-27T02:53:14Z] im all about lean [2023-04-27T02:53:22Z] no firefox, no ffmpeg, no nothing. at least in the revision i'm working on right now [2023-04-27T02:53:30Z] as for the previous version(s), https://git.sdf.org/midfavila [2023-04-27T02:53:32Z] i use w3m myself [2023-04-27T02:53:34Z] kiss-mfavila-large and -small [2023-04-27T02:53:40Z] i'm a links1 guy [2023-04-27T02:54:02Z] can you set up shell scripts to customize links functionality? only reason i went w3m was tabs and also bunch of shell scripts to do custom stuff [2023-04-27T02:54:50Z] ty for the link [2023-04-27T02:55:57Z] links allows you to pass certain data to external programs, but that's about it [2023-04-27T02:56:04Z] to be clear, i don't *like* links [2023-04-27T02:56:09Z] but it's the best of the worst [2023-04-27T02:56:12Z] links also "looks" better kinda [2023-04-27T02:58:12Z] at some point i want to patch links to use libtls and then maybe go from there [2023-04-27T02:58:24Z] i'd *like* to write my own browser with rough feature parity to links1 [2023-04-27T02:58:33Z] same with w3m, but i looked at the codebase and at the time it was too overwhelming [2023-04-27T02:58:52Z] w3m is like 50k lines isn't it? and it uses bohm-gc [2023-04-27T02:58:57Z] links1 is comparatively tame at around 30k [2023-04-27T02:59:57Z] i resolved to just whip up some posix scripts to do what i wanted, mainly archive every page i visit, bookmarks, and fuzzy searches [2023-04-27T03:00:02Z] still took days [2023-04-27T03:00:42Z] oh and also use multiple different types of search engine instances [2023-04-27T03:00:56Z] what i'd like to do is basically write something approximating surf, but with links as the engine [2023-04-27T03:00:56Z] wish the mainstream browswers werent so bloated and useless [2023-04-27T03:01:16Z] it'd be nice to have the plugins and addons from firefox [2023-04-27T03:01:19Z] thats the only thing i miss [2023-04-27T03:01:28Z] i don't think plugins or addons are really necessary, personally [2023-04-27T03:01:42Z] no, especially if javascript is disabled [2023-04-27T03:01:53Z] but the modern web is unusable without an adblocker with firefox [2023-04-27T03:02:02Z] text browsers are okay [2023-04-27T03:02:10Z] except for some occasional formatting [2023-04-27T03:02:11Z] i just use an adblocker on my router /shrug [2023-04-27T03:02:34Z] i like the feature richness of my uxp firefox [2023-04-27T03:02:38Z] that does work, some sites have tricky ways to get around network based blocking [2023-04-27T03:02:40Z] tree tabs is like crack [2023-04-27T03:02:41Z] they are too crafty [2023-04-27T03:02:51Z] drez i just discovered tree tabs [2023-04-27T03:03:00Z] and yes they are the ultimate drug [2023-04-27T03:03:04Z] yep [2023-04-27T03:03:07Z] i've never liked tree tabs [2023-04-27T03:03:17Z] i'm an anti-tab extremist [2023-04-27T03:03:21Z] its perfect for research [2023-04-27T03:03:34Z] man id just like a research-oriented browser [2023-04-27T03:03:36Z] "research", he says, as he furiously exits furaffinity [2023-04-27T03:03:37Z] you can custom color code and number the tabs, if you have hundreds [2023-04-27T03:03:38Z] >click to save to warc [2023-04-27T03:03:46Z] muh, I don't watch that sort of stuff [2023-04-27T03:03:49Z] Gremlin8483: just don't have hundreds of tabs [2023-04-27T03:03:52Z] drez yeah okay [2023-04-27T03:03:57Z] i've seen what you do on your laptop you sick fuck [2023-04-27T03:03:59Z] pot calling the kettle black [2023-04-27T03:04:00Z] :^) [2023-04-27T03:04:06Z] criminals judge by their own crimes [2023-04-27T03:04:09Z] etc etc [2023-04-27T03:04:10Z] well i also rigged my computer to do voice searches, so im constantly searching and spawning tabs [2023-04-27T03:04:30Z] damn what are you using? [2023-04-27T03:04:36Z] i saw your post about space jam drez [2023-04-27T03:04:38Z] you can't fool me [2023-04-27T03:04:41Z] no matter how much you cope [2023-04-27T03:04:46Z] space jam? [2023-04-27T03:04:52Z] i can say search something search something2 search something3 enter, and it will spawn 3 tabs and search all of them in one go [2023-04-27T03:04:54Z] I can only think of the old space jam page that is supposedly still up [2023-04-27T03:04:55Z] >playing dumb [2023-04-27T03:05:02Z] yeah o k a y b u d [2023-04-27T03:05:07Z] and I only ever watched it in class in middle school [2023-04-27T03:05:09Z] never again [2023-04-27T03:05:17Z] copecopecopecopecopecope [2023-04-27T03:05:19Z] hm [2023-04-27T03:05:24Z] I don't like this word [2023-04-27T03:05:32Z] but it is likely you are projecting right now [2023-04-27T03:05:34Z] cope [2023-04-27T03:05:34Z] :3 [2023-04-27T03:06:59Z] fuckn sitting here fighting with CDE listening to the homestuck soundtrack, what am i doing with my life [2023-04-27T03:07:19Z] currently sorting my research [2023-04-27T03:07:22Z] lviing the dream it sounds like [2023-04-27T03:07:35Z] it's the dream until it's all you've done for years at a time [2023-04-27T03:07:47Z] https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=GtuhZ-8g2PI&listen=1 [2023-04-27T03:07:53Z] atomic bonsai is pretty good though [2023-04-27T03:08:01Z] times flies dont it [2023-04-27T03:08:22Z] yeah i love watching my late teen early adult years fly by in a haze of anxiety and coofing [2023-04-27T03:09:20Z] at least we get to live in the time of fastest technological acceleration in history [2023-04-27T03:09:28Z] >implying this is a good thing [2023-04-27T03:09:37Z] bold move [2023-04-27T03:09:43Z] dunno about you but im a huge scifi nerd [2023-04-27T03:09:49Z] the future cant come fast enough [2023-04-27T03:09:56Z] the future is here, and it sucks [2023-04-27T03:10:05Z] the future has been here for a good while [2023-04-27T03:10:07Z] weve hit a plateau [2023-04-27T03:10:19Z] but i think after a short period stagation, we go parabolic [2023-04-27T03:10:29Z] who knows [2023-04-27T03:10:33Z] i read too much scifi crap [2023-04-27T03:12:21Z] should i use linux libre or regular, never had to make this chocie before [2023-04-27T03:12:28Z] do you use binary blobs [2023-04-27T03:12:29Z] i know just a tiny bit about libre, only open source stuff [2023-04-27T03:12:31Z] no [2023-04-27T03:12:35Z] then try libre. [2023-04-27T03:12:40Z] okey [2023-04-27T03:12:44Z] if you need binary firmware blobs you'll need to use standard [2023-04-27T03:13:01Z] nah now every time i buy usb stuff, i check to see if the kernel supports it natively [2023-04-27T03:13:06Z] im sick of downloading crap from websites [2023-04-27T03:13:10Z] if a person uses the term "libre" instead of "open source", they're making a hard commitment to avoid non-free software and if you rely on it you won't be able to use libre stuff [2023-04-27T03:13:35Z] ok, i didnt know it was a big deal [2023-04-27T03:13:42Z] too many ppl put libre in the name [2023-04-27T03:13:49Z] libre this, libre toaster, etc [2023-04-27T03:14:49Z] usb is so unaesthetic [2023-04-27T03:14:58Z] why can't pretty ports like firewire be widespread [2023-04-27T03:15:02Z] it's also just a pain in my ass [2023-04-27T03:15:07Z] i'd really rather just use serial [2023-04-27T03:15:14Z] nooo you cant take away muh usb [2023-04-27T03:15:17Z] yeah or db [2023-04-27T03:15:17Z] its the only thing i have left [2023-04-27T03:15:21Z] or whatever the standard is called [2023-04-27T03:15:28Z] db9? [2023-04-27T03:15:28Z] abcd 1 2 3 4 5 [2023-04-27T03:15:30Z] db9 [2023-04-27T03:15:31Z] db25 [2023-04-27T03:15:32Z] da25 [2023-04-27T03:15:35Z] ac69 [2023-04-27T03:15:39Z] i forget what its called [2023-04-27T03:15:52Z] i know it can be a letter pair with the pin count [2023-04-27T03:16:05Z] parallel also looks cool [2023-04-27T03:16:29Z] coax/triax looks sci-fi [2023-04-27T03:16:33Z] especially triax [2023-04-27T03:17:09Z] 1/4 jacks and xlr looks cool too [2023-04-27T03:17:31Z] hdmi looks like crap [2023-04-27T03:18:06Z] displayport [2023-04-27T03:18:08Z] i rest my case [2023-04-27T03:18:12Z] displayport looks like hdmi [2023-04-27T03:18:14Z] a lot [2023-04-27T03:18:18Z] looks don't matter when the slightest bit of trauma fucking annihilates hdmi ports *and* plugs [2023-04-27T03:18:24Z] its not even symetrical [2023-04-27T03:18:28Z] its so bad [2023-04-27T03:18:32Z] it made me buy a ton of useless adapters [2023-04-27T03:18:36Z] vga, i've heard lots of people say is super fragile, but [2023-04-27T03:18:37Z] i dont like the locking mechanism [2023-04-27T03:18:42Z] DVI is fragile too [2023-04-27T03:18:45Z] but I still like it [2023-04-27T03:18:47Z] i've never once had a vga socket or plug break beyond repair [2023-04-27T03:18:57Z] I mean as in, it can be annoying to connect properly [2023-04-27T03:19:05Z] plus vga supports up to 1920 res which is enough for most ppl including me [2023-04-27T03:19:17Z] it used to be enough for me [2023-04-27T03:19:25Z] vga is nice but it isn't digital [2023-04-27T03:19:30Z] now i use 1536x2048 displays [2023-04-27T03:19:36Z] and vga can't even dream of driving that [2023-04-27T03:23:19Z] i use a bunch of displays with lower res [2023-04-27T03:23:32Z] downside, you ahve to deal with a bunch of ports [2023-04-27T03:32:42Z] i can say that the installation is very straightfoward on kiss, its actually very similar to some of the lesser debian/arch forks whcih also use mainly command line [2023-04-27T03:33:09Z] yeap [2023-04-27T03:33:15Z] kiss isn't like, crazy giga brain mode or anything [2023-04-27T03:33:23Z] you just kind of dump it on a partition [2023-04-27T03:33:27Z]