[2024-05-01T00:02:08Z] <midfavila> i've been buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusy
[2024-05-01T00:02:19Z] <midfavila> still wrapping up the move 
[2024-05-01T00:02:28Z] <midfavila> just got my first professional certification like, a week ago
[2024-05-01T00:02:29Z] <midfavila> etc
[2024-05-01T00:02:34Z] <midfavila> how've you been sad_plan?
[2024-05-01T00:02:38Z] <sad_plan> awesome
[2024-05-01T00:03:31Z] <sad_plan> ive been good. I recently switched to oasis, but with kiss. im still running the same setup, but using oasis as a base, as opposed to a kiss tarball
[2024-05-01T00:03:43Z] <midfavila> neat
[2024-05-01T00:03:45Z] <midfavila> i'mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[2024-05-01T00:03:48Z] <midfavila> still on slackware
[2024-05-01T00:03:49Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2024-05-01T00:04:05Z] <midfavila> i'm going to switch back to KISS once my desktop arrives from N.B. though
[2024-05-01T00:04:14Z] <sad_plan> lol, thought you switched back after a bit
[2024-05-01T00:04:21Z] <sad_plan> nice
[2024-05-01T00:04:22Z] <midfavila> kinda flipflopped
[2024-05-01T00:04:28Z] <sad_plan> I get that
[2024-05-01T00:04:32Z] <midfavila> can't really run it rn because i technically don't have internet at my apartment 
[2024-05-01T00:04:43Z] <midfavila> not to mention i'm stuck using a fifteen or so year old laptop
[2024-05-01T00:04:51Z] <sad_plan> thats rather inconvinent to say the least
[2024-05-01T00:04:55Z] <midfavila> (i'm piggybacking off a public hotspot rn)
[2024-05-01T00:04:59Z] <midfavila> (performance is suboptimal)
[2024-05-01T00:05:01Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2024-05-01T00:06:01Z] <midfavila> but yeah once i have my PC set back up i'll at least be able to sneakernet packages from work back home
[2024-05-01T00:06:49Z] <sad_plan> thats a start atleast
[2024-05-01T00:07:18Z] <midfavila> tbh it'll cover most of what i need
[2024-05-01T00:07:24Z] <midfavila> i only have a few massive packages
[2024-05-01T00:07:35Z] <midfavila> llvm, mesa, linux, etc
[2024-05-01T00:07:39Z] <midfavila> i guess emacs
[2024-05-01T00:08:05Z] <sad_plan> I was gonna say palemoon and gcc, but I suppose kernel and llvm is of significant size aswell
[2024-05-01T00:08:13Z] <sad_plan> how big is emacs anyway? on your current system
[2024-05-01T00:09:06Z] <midfavila> gcc and palemoon aren't really in the books 
[2024-05-01T00:09:16Z] <midfavila> well, gcc might still be
[2024-05-01T00:09:25Z] <midfavila> but palemoon isn't
[2024-05-01T00:09:32Z] <midfavila> emacs... let me check 
[2024-05-01T00:09:47Z] <sad_plan> I see. what do you use instead? still only links?
[2024-05-01T00:09:53Z] <midfavila> eww
[2024-05-01T00:10:03Z] <midfavila> i'm one of those people now
[2024-05-01T00:10:12Z] <sad_plan> firefox? :P
[2024-05-01T00:10:16Z] <midfavila> eww
[2024-05-01T00:10:24Z] <midfavila> editing macros web wowser
[2024-05-01T00:10:49Z] <sad_plan> what?
[2024-05-01T00:10:55Z] <midfavila> emacs' browser
[2024-05-01T00:10:59Z] <sad_plan> oh
[2024-05-01T00:11:05Z] <sad_plan> right
[2024-05-01T00:11:10Z] <midfavila> also emacs 27.2 on slackware 15 is 169mb on disk
[2024-05-01T00:11:19Z] <sad_plan> damn
[2024-05-01T00:11:47Z] <sad_plan> does the browser suck though? or does it suffice for your usage?
[2024-05-01T00:11:57Z] <midfavila> it's better than links by a long shot
[2024-05-01T00:12:23Z] <sad_plan> not supprised :p
[2024-05-01T00:12:24Z] <midfavila> i was using links before because i just kind of had it slapped together
[2024-05-01T00:12:35Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2024-05-01T00:12:39Z] <midfavila> and i was still kind of held up on muh yoonix philosophy
[2024-05-01T00:12:54Z] <midfavila> but i don't really care that much about it any more, at least in the context of emacs
[2024-05-01T00:13:15Z] <sad_plan> I see. gotta comprimise somewhere
[2024-05-01T00:13:18Z] <midfavila> once i have the ability to actually implement my own editor maybe i'll care again but that's a long time off
[2024-05-01T00:13:24Z] <midfavila> i haven't actually done any real programming in like a year
[2024-05-01T00:13:31Z] <midfavila> year and a half
[2024-05-01T00:13:34Z] <midfavila> thereabouts
[2024-05-01T00:15:04Z] <sad_plan> what would your editor look like? and wouldnt it be better to use something that already exist, or fork something?
[2024-05-01T00:15:10Z] <sad_plan> less work atleast
[2024-05-01T00:15:53Z] <sad_plan> by look like, I mean what features would you aim for
[2024-05-01T00:18:03Z] <midfavila> i mean honestly emacs is a good start, UX-wise
[2024-05-01T00:18:22Z] <midfavila> just make emacs an OS and scheme-based instead and i'd be really happy with that
[2024-05-01T00:18:35Z] <midfavila> but if we're talking just an editor, i'd still like to make my own version of something like se
[2024-05-01T00:18:38Z] <midfavila> https://se-editor.org
[2024-05-01T00:18:47Z] <midfavila> i use this a lot
[2024-05-01T00:18:53Z] <midfavila> i'm a big fan of ed unironically
[2024-05-01T00:20:46Z] <midfavila> but tbqh in terms of concrete ideas i haven't got a clue any more
[2024-05-01T00:20:53Z] <midfavila> i haven't bothered thinking about that stuff in ages
[2024-05-01T00:20:57Z] <midfavila> too busy
[2024-05-01T00:20:58Z] <sad_plan> right. never really liked ed, as I like having visuals. but im sure I could get used to it aswell for smaller stuff
[2024-05-01T00:21:11Z] <sad_plan> I get that
[2024-05-01T00:21:18Z] <midfavila> that's why i like se
[2024-05-01T00:21:31Z] <midfavila> for longer editing sessions se is great because you still get visual feedback 
[2024-05-01T00:21:35Z] <midfavila> but also
[2024-05-01T00:21:36Z] <midfavila> like
[2024-05-01T00:21:46Z] <midfavila> .-15,.+15p
[2024-05-01T00:21:57Z] <sad_plan> can you actually see the content of the file in its whole? like with vi
[2024-05-01T00:22:03Z] <midfavila> yes
[2024-05-01T00:22:09Z] <midfavila> it's like vi but inside out
[2024-05-01T00:22:12Z] <midfavila> i guess?
[2024-05-01T00:22:16Z] <midfavila> it's weird
[2024-05-01T00:22:21Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2024-05-01T00:22:31Z] <midfavila> a very literal adaption of ed to a graphics mode
[2024-05-01T00:22:32Z] <midfavila> that's for sure
[2024-05-01T00:23:30Z] <midfavila> i guess my first goal would be to create a SUS-compliant implementation of ed that's just super clean
[2024-05-01T00:23:38Z] <sad_plan> its a start I guess. I like vis though. been using it for quite some time now actually
[2024-05-01T00:23:44Z] <midfavila> then once that's done add a line editing library
[2024-05-01T00:23:47Z] <midfavila> then go from there
[2024-05-01T00:23:52Z] <midfavila> i think i tried vis
[2024-05-01T00:24:14Z] <sad_plan> not your cup of tea? ive mentioned you dont like vi generally
[2024-05-01T00:24:49Z] <midfavila> yeah i kind of sort of despise vi lmao
[2024-05-01T00:24:55Z] <midfavila> it's clunky as shit
[2024-05-01T00:25:16Z] <midfavila> vi keys are super uncomfortable
[2024-05-01T00:25:55Z] <midfavila> and command-based editing is much more powerful than line-based editing, and vi has always felt like it prioritizes line editing over command editing
[2024-05-01T00:25:57Z] <sad_plan> I like it. I was using vim before, but vis' multicursor was a real gamechanger for me. so it stuck with me really
[2024-05-01T00:26:08Z] <midfavila> se is the opposite of vi in that sense so
[2024-05-01T00:26:25Z] <sad_plan> vis does have commands though, but maybe not as many as youd like? or missing lots of them
[2024-05-01T00:26:27Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2024-05-01T00:27:13Z] <midfavila> don't recall vis, but i like ed's command language because it's simple and orthogonal 
[2024-05-01T00:27:44Z] <midfavila> you've got a handful of commands and some simple flow control structures and by combining those you can get plenty of stuff done quickly and easily
[2024-05-01T00:28:59Z] <sad_plan> hm. I see
[2024-05-01T00:33:00Z] <midfavila> okay well,
[2024-05-01T00:33:02Z] <midfavila> i'm gonna brb
[2024-05-01T00:33:08Z] <midfavila> i need to get my dr pepper zero fix
[2024-05-01T00:33:17Z] <midfavila> my new apartment is above a corner store and they know exactly what they're doing
[2024-05-01T00:33:33Z] <sad_plan> been a really long time since ive heard people drink that stuff
[2024-05-01T00:33:36Z] <sad_plan> decent
[2024-05-01T00:39:29Z] <midfavila> i drink a shitload of pepper zero
[2024-05-01T00:39:37Z] <midfavila> like 2gal plus a week
[2024-05-01T00:39:41Z] <midfavila> an unironic addiction
[2024-05-01T00:39:48Z] <midfavila> it's so fucking goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[2024-05-01T11:47:22Z] <sewn> hi midfavila
[2024-05-01T11:47:26Z] <sewn> where have you been
[2024-05-01T11:47:32Z] <sewn> is it time for me to return to kiss?
[2024-05-01T11:48:37Z] <sewn> the most important muon patches are slowly getting merged
[2024-05-01T11:48:46Z] <sewn> and I want to get it done
[2024-05-01T13:26:16Z] <riteo> oh wow it's been a while
[2024-05-01T13:26:39Z] <riteo> icebarf_: I haven't forgotten of the pictures yesterday it eventually became late and I fell asleep
[2024-05-01T13:27:11Z] <riteo> gotta take the camera as I _refuse_ taking pictures from my smartphone, call me dumb for now
[2024-05-01T13:27:31Z] <riteo> I hate those things
[2024-05-01T15:09:45Z] <sewn> riteo: pull out your retro camera and take a pic
[2024-05-01T17:49:26Z] <icebarf_> sewn: what you been using currently?
[2024-05-01T17:49:33Z] <sewn> alpine
[2024-05-01T17:49:43Z] <icebarf_> i see
[2024-05-01T17:50:19Z] <icebarf_> im trying to work with flatpak, trying out vscode on kiss
[2024-05-01T17:50:36Z] <icebarf_> dbus form kiss-dbus (community repo) was fairly easy to setup
[2024-05-01T17:51:01Z] <icebarf_> apparently "portal does not support export-pids" is the main PITA for me now
[2024-05-01T17:51:14Z] <icebarf_> (oof that apparently is misplaced)
[2024-05-01T17:51:50Z] <icebarf_> anyway, i grepped around the sources for zypak and flatpak but didn't see anything of use (almost midnight for me rn)
[2024-05-01T17:51:54Z] <icebarf_> so maybe ill have a look tomorrow
[2024-05-01T17:52:20Z] <icebarf_> sewn: hbu? what are you working on?
[2024-05-01T17:52:25Z] <sewn> working on what
[2024-05-01T18:12:00Z] <icebarf_> yeah, working on what?
[2024-05-01T18:12:04Z] <icebarf_> like anything