[2024-05-12T03:44:44Z] <riteo> midfavila: not really. The biggest one has been Blake3 AFAIK and it has had a couple of small improvements but nothing serious I think
[2024-05-12T03:45:31Z] <riteo> I still have like 3232381 ideas but I got very little time recently as I'll have maturity exams (european last-year-of-highschool final exam) soon
[2024-05-12T03:45:45Z] <midfavila> oh hey congrats
[2024-05-12T03:45:48Z] <riteo> Can't work on anything big at the moment so I just chip away at godot and whatever
[2024-05-12T03:45:50Z] <riteo> thanks
[2024-05-12T03:46:19Z] <midfavila> hopefully it goes well for you
[2024-05-12T03:46:40Z] <riteo> we'll see
[2024-05-12T03:47:12Z] <riteo> I'll definitely pass as I've got like max credits but everybody's pushing for the max (which you only can get with max credits)
[2024-05-12T03:47:36Z] <riteo> basically they sum these points you gather thorought the last three years with the actual exam results
[2024-05-12T03:47:57Z] <riteo> and the score actually matters for jobs and whatnot, weird stuff
[2024-05-12T03:48:11Z] <riteo> btw, did you see the pictures of my dear homeserver?
[2024-05-12T03:48:39Z] <midfavila> nah
[2024-05-12T03:48:42Z] <midfavila> haven't been on much
[2024-05-12T03:48:46Z] <midfavila> been too busy
[2024-05-12T03:48:50Z] <midfavila> going to try and get on more thuogh
[2024-05-12T03:48:51Z] <midfavila> though*
[2024-05-12T03:48:52Z] <midfavila> link?
[2024-05-12T03:49:05Z] <riteo> I pushed them on the null pointer a few days ago, should still be valid
[2024-05-12T03:49:09Z] <riteo> wait I'll copy&paste the
[2024-05-12T03:49:11Z] <riteo> them
[2024-05-12T03:49:25Z] <riteo> https://0x0.st/XXx0.jpg/back-view.jpg https://0x0.st/XXxG.jpg/fron-view.jpg https://0x0.st/XXxD.jpg/inside.jpg https://0x0.st/XXxk.jpg/inside-shaky.jpg
[2024-05-12T03:49:41Z] <riteo> it's very cursed and I love it
[2024-05-12T03:49:59Z] <riteo> it's my v2 take on the original shoebox server
[2024-05-12T03:50:10Z] <riteo> which was named boscaiolo because it was in a lumberjack-branded shoebox
[2024-05-12T03:50:33Z] <midfavila> very cute
[2024-05-12T03:50:44Z] <riteo> mostly same pieces, with a laptop motherboard and a regulator so that I can use a single power-supply
[2024-05-12T03:50:46Z] <riteo> thanks
[2024-05-12T03:51:15Z] <riteo> the boot disk is an alpine diskless install on a pen-drive, because SATA ports
[2024-05-12T03:51:49Z] * midfavila nod-nods
[2024-05-12T03:52:00Z] <midfavila> i've been using alpine at work lately
[2024-05-12T03:52:13Z] <riteo> how is it for normal usage?
[2024-05-12T03:52:19Z] <midfavila> for what i do it's okay
[2024-05-12T03:52:28Z] <midfavila> i basically just bring up a few servers and then boot straight into emacs
[2024-05-12T03:52:34Z] <riteo> oh nice
[2024-05-12T03:52:44Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2024-05-12T03:52:50Z] <riteo> I know that you're going to scream at me, but did you need flatpak for any proprietary/complex shit
[2024-05-12T03:52:50Z] <midfavila> i'm the IT department at the job so 
[2024-05-12T03:52:57Z] <midfavila> nah i won't
[2024-05-12T03:53:00Z] <midfavila> i don't care at this point
[2024-05-12T03:53:03Z] <midfavila> but no
[2024-05-12T03:53:10Z] <midfavila> i literally just boot straight into emacs
[2024-05-12T03:53:25Z] <riteo> cool
[2024-05-12T03:53:52Z] <riteo> btw I also installed it on KISS and thanks to it I have steam and I can save like 2 hours of rust compiling for firefox
[2024-05-12T03:54:40Z] <riteo> I can now use annoying software that either didn't want to be normal or that didn't want to be compiled (telegram-desktop, which required a FUCKING DOCKER IMAGE to be built)
[2024-05-12T03:54:43Z] <midfavila> ngl i just run a minimal debian in qemu for things like firefox when i run kiss
[2024-05-12T03:54:49Z] <midfavila> also
[2024-05-12T03:54:52Z] <midfavila> use emacs as your telegram client
[2024-05-12T03:54:54Z] <midfavila> i do
[2024-05-12T03:54:55Z] <midfavila> :3
[2024-05-12T03:55:01Z] <riteo> wait how
[2024-05-12T03:55:03Z] <riteo> is there a plugin?
[2024-05-12T03:55:06Z] <midfavila> telega
[2024-05-12T03:55:07Z] <riteo> or is it nchat
[2024-05-12T03:55:39Z] <riteo> holy moly it looks crazy
[2024-05-12T03:55:48Z] <riteo> nchat is a bit lacking but this looks like it has everything
[2024-05-12T03:55:58Z] <riteo> hell it has even sixel support?!?!
[2024-05-12T03:56:01Z] <midfavila> i don't have any complaints with it
[2024-05-12T03:56:06Z] <midfavila> been using it daily for the past few weeks
[2024-05-12T03:56:50Z] <riteo> that's crazy, thanks for letting me know about it, I might actually consider it
[2024-05-12T03:57:20Z] <midfavila> ye
[2024-05-12T03:57:40Z] <riteo> why is it an emacs plugin though
[2024-05-12T03:57:43Z] <riteo> it could be a standalone program
[2024-05-12T03:57:49Z] <midfavila> i mean it's both
[2024-05-12T03:57:55Z] <midfavila> telega is the elisp frontend
[2024-05-12T03:58:00Z] <midfavila> telega-server is the C++ backend
[2024-05-12T03:58:01Z] <midfavila> afaik
[2024-05-12T03:58:10Z] <midfavila> just passes data back and forth
[2024-05-12T03:58:18Z] <riteo> oh so there can be other clients
[2024-05-12T03:58:27Z] <midfavila> i can't see why not in theory
[2024-05-12T03:58:57Z] <riteo> amazing
[2024-05-12T03:59:24Z] <riteo> I'll admit the main showstopper is the fact that it's emacs (I don't use it) but very cool nonetheless
[2024-05-12T03:59:45Z] <riteo> btw if you want to get onto something new, did you hear about hundred rabbits^
[2024-05-12T03:59:58Z] <midfavila> yeah i've known about them for a while
[2024-05-12T04:00:06Z] <midfavila> the collapseos mailing list talks about them a lot
[2024-05-12T04:00:17Z] <riteo> oh you're into that too, cool
[2024-05-12T04:00:25Z] <riteo> too bad I can't get on their website for whatever reason
[2024-05-12T04:00:33Z] <midfavila> 100r or cos?
[2024-05-12T04:00:35Z] <riteo> cos
[2024-05-12T04:00:48Z] <riteo> is it https://collapseos.org ?
[2024-05-12T04:00:51Z] <midfavila> collapseos.org yeah
[2024-05-12T04:00:55Z] <riteo> just doesn't respond
[2024-05-12T04:00:59Z] <midfavila> weird
[2024-05-12T04:01:01Z] <midfavila> run a traceroute
[2024-05-12T04:01:03Z] <midfavila> ?
[2024-05-12T04:01:19Z] <riteo> it doesn't go further than my router?
[2024-05-12T04:01:25Z] <riteo> second hop stalls
[2024-05-12T04:01:27Z] <riteo> oh wait
[2024-05-12T04:01:31Z] <midfavila> weird
[2024-05-12T04:01:49Z] <riteo> it's going somewhere
[2024-05-12T04:02:18Z] <riteo> taking a lot of hops very slowly
[2024-05-12T04:03:45Z] <riteo> still going
[2024-05-12T04:03:52Z] <riteo> I think it's going to max out
[2024-05-12T04:04:21Z] <midfavila> huh
[2024-05-12T04:04:38Z] <riteo> I wonder if the DNS might be giving me a stale IP somehow
[2024-05-12T04:04:45Z] <riteo> not really sure about what else might be going wrong
[2024-05-12T04:04:57Z] <riteo> just to be sure, what IP is it returning you?
[2024-05-12T04:05:16Z] <riteo> WAIT it went
[2024-05-12T04:05:18Z] <riteo> on firefox
[2024-05-12T04:05:26Z] <midfavila> 199.84.42.236
[2024-05-12T04:05:34Z] <riteo> yeah that's it
[2024-05-12T04:05:42Z] <riteo> ok now it works on http
[2024-05-12T04:06:22Z] <riteo> there's something real flaky going on though, as I can't ping it either, which is a weird thing to see
[2024-05-12T04:06:30Z] <riteo> I wonder what server they're running this thing on
[2024-05-12T04:06:51Z] <midfavila> inb4 collapseos
[2024-05-12T04:07:07Z] <riteo> lol
[2024-05-12T04:09:05Z] <riteo> also the duskos website is flaky
[2024-05-12T04:09:13Z] <riteo> like, it's very slow too
[2024-05-12T04:09:31Z] <riteo> I wonder if the traceroute triggered something along the way, maybe some dynamic routes?
[2024-05-12T04:09:57Z] <midfavila> dunno, mayhaps
[2024-05-12T04:10:02Z] <riteo> or firefox is just broken as it asked me for http again
[2024-05-12T04:10:17Z] <riteo> ughhhhhhhhhhh oh well I got the pages now, I'll download them just in case lol
[2024-05-12T04:10:27Z] <midfavila> :p
[2024-05-12T04:10:36Z] <midfavila> speaking of ugh-worthy situations
[2024-05-12T04:10:43Z] <midfavila> watching some state-approved canadian media rn
[2024-05-12T04:10:58Z] <midfavila> landlords are "fed up" with the system "putting people in bad situations"
[2024-05-12T04:11:03Z] <midfavila> which is absolutely hilarious 
[2024-05-12T04:11:38Z] <midfavila> for the past few years tenants here have had the upper hand and they've kinda been jerking landlords around and the impotent rage is absolutely delicious
[2024-05-12T04:12:55Z] <midfavila> "noooooooooooooo what do you mean the people i want to evict so i can crank the price on my apartment are resisting me the second the state can't beat them on my behalf"
[2024-05-12T04:13:18Z] <riteo> lmao
[2024-05-12T04:13:25Z] <midfavila> literally living rent free
[2024-05-12T04:13:41Z] <riteo> It's a bit like that Pied Piper gag about california laws
[2024-05-12T04:14:00Z] <riteo> only that it's in canada here
[2024-05-12T04:14:05Z] <midfavila> i don't know why or how i'm supposed to feel bad for the trust fund kiddos who abuse and extort tenants when said tenants fuck them back 
[2024-05-12T04:14:25Z] <midfavila> like the reason in part nobody can afford houses here is because they're literally just baseball cards now
[2024-05-12T04:14:37Z] <midfavila> there's thousands of units in toronto that are in pristine shape that are just being held
[2024-05-12T04:14:48Z] <midfavila> not rented out, not lived in, not renovated, just... being held
[2024-05-12T04:15:35Z] <riteo> this kind of stuff is extremely annoying
[2024-05-12T04:15:57Z] <riteo> I heard a factoid on how in america there are more unoccupied homes than homeless people or something
[2024-05-12T04:16:05Z] <midfavila> yep
[2024-05-12T04:16:19Z] <midfavila> common situation in many smaller towns and cities in canada too
[2024-05-12T04:16:24Z] <midfavila> more than enough houses for everyone
[2024-05-12T04:16:40Z] <midfavila> the problem is that people only build luxury units because WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MUH PROPERDEE VALUE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[2024-05-12T04:16:49Z] <riteo> afdkadjfadiflajdkfsdfpaodfhlò
[2024-05-12T04:16:52Z] <midfavila> MUH NEIGHBOURHOOD CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[2024-05-12T04:17:23Z] <riteo> imagine treating _living_ space as a luxury commodity to sell like if it were an iPhone or something
[2024-05-12T04:17:30Z] <midfavila> you can't just build a house out of CONCRETE, this neighbourhood's HoA, comprised exclusively of 70yo+ boomers, has MANDATED that EVERYONE have alternating red-green-yellow DUTCH COLONIAL HOUSES!!!!!!!!!!!
[2024-05-12T04:17:55Z] <midfavila> riteo: imagine not
[2024-05-12T04:18:00Z] <midfavila> what are you some kind of communist
[2024-05-12T04:18:18Z] <riteo> I'm not qualified to talk about politics and stuff like that thorougly enough
[2024-05-12T04:18:39Z] <riteo> I don't think that counts like a communist?
[2024-05-12T04:18:56Z] <midfavila> i'm being silly
[2024-05-12T04:19:03Z] <riteo> oh lol
[2024-05-12T04:19:10Z] <midfavila> there are a lot of people here who scream and rant and rave at you the second you suggest the government do literally anything
[2024-05-12T04:19:22Z] <riteo> that word is definitely overused too
[2024-05-12T04:19:23Z] <midfavila> because as everyone knows, socialism is when the government does stuff
[2024-05-12T04:19:33Z] <midfavila> and the more stuff the government does, the more socialister it is
[2024-05-12T04:19:35Z] <riteo> socialism and communism are different tho
[2024-05-12T04:19:43Z] <midfavila> unless you live in NA
[2024-05-12T04:19:49Z] <midfavila> in which case they mean the exact same thing:
[2024-05-12T04:20:06Z] <midfavila> a largely capitalist economic model with some very minor government services and regulation
[2024-05-12T04:20:06Z] <riteo> at most I might be closer to socialism, whatver that means, but my brother keeps asking me why I'm communist for not liking the idea of owning 13 houses and "investing" on them
[2024-05-12T04:20:18Z] <riteo> lmao
[2024-05-12T04:20:28Z] <midfavila> socialism is just social ownership of the means of production
[2024-05-12T04:20:46Z] <midfavila> in the sense that like, society owns it and regulates it and distributes the fruits of the labour on said means
[2024-05-12T04:21:00Z] <riteo> how is that different from communism though
[2024-05-12T04:21:10Z] <riteo> isn't also communism social ownership of the means of production
[2024-05-12T04:21:19Z] <midfavila> communism is a classless stateless moniless society in which the means of production are free for anyone to use
[2024-05-12T04:21:29Z] <riteo> oh so communism is also more class-oriented
[2024-05-12T04:21:38Z] <midfavila> socialism is "from each according to ability, to each according to contribution", and communism is "from each according to ability, to each according to need"
[2024-05-12T04:21:57Z] <midfavila> capitalism is "from each according to ability, to each according to how necessary you are to continue the existence of capital"
[2024-05-12T04:22:01Z] <midfavila> basically
[2024-05-12T04:22:02Z] <midfavila> = w=
[2024-05-12T04:22:06Z] <midfavila> or so i say, anyway
[2024-05-12T04:22:10Z] <riteo> oh that's a lot clearer, thanks for clearing up
[2024-05-12T04:22:25Z] <midfavila> and i mean depending on how you look at it it's all very class oriented
[2024-05-12T04:22:36Z] <midfavila> socialism just eliminates the capitalist class
[2024-05-12T04:23:07Z] <riteo> neat
[2024-05-12T04:23:17Z] <midfavila> i mean of course it also depends on how you look at things
[2024-05-12T04:23:21Z] <midfavila> idk i don't read books that's for nerds
[2024-05-12T04:23:29Z] <riteo> yeah me neither
[2024-05-12T04:23:30Z] <midfavila> i just scream about how we should throw landlords out of helicopters
[2024-05-12T04:23:42Z] <riteo> indeed
[2024-05-12T04:24:12Z] <riteo> that's my situation too lol, zero political theory, lots of vague mumbling
[2024-05-12T04:24:28Z] <riteo> btw, before I forget, I found out that one of the 100r folks made a talk at strange loop
[2024-05-12T04:24:38Z] <midfavila> nice
[2024-05-12T04:24:49Z] <riteo> want the link?
[2024-05-12T04:24:55Z] <riteo> supposing you didn't see it already
[2024-05-12T04:25:04Z] <midfavila> ngl i probably won't watch it
[2024-05-12T04:25:25Z] <riteo> there's also a blog post based on it
[2024-05-12T04:25:31Z] <riteo> if you're more into that sort of thing
[2024-05-12T04:25:36Z] <midfavila> nah
[2024-05-12T04:25:46Z] <midfavila> i'm kinda just not super interested in it 
[2024-05-12T04:25:51Z] <riteo> fair
[2024-05-12T04:25:57Z] <midfavila> lmao watching this newscast still
[2024-05-12T04:26:06Z] <midfavila> >i'm trying to change what a landlord looks like
[2024-05-12T04:26:09Z] <midfavila> >i'm not a corporate suit
[2024-05-12T04:26:14Z] <midfavila> >i'm a progressive leftist
[2024-05-12T04:26:19Z] <midfavila> then why isn't it a housing cooperative???
[2024-05-12T04:26:35Z] <riteo> because this humble progressive leftist wants to make a shitton of money
[2024-05-12T04:26:54Z] <riteo> like every leftist wants obviously
[2024-05-12T04:27:04Z] <midfavila> that humble progressive leftist can go cry in the gutter for all i care
[2024-05-12T04:27:17Z] <midfavila> landlord-tenant relationships are fundamentally based on violent extortion 
[2024-05-12T04:27:23Z] <riteo> isn't that obvious, it's written in the communist manifesto, go read it /s
[2024-05-12T04:27:23Z] <midfavila> no service or product is provided
[2024-05-12T04:27:50Z] <midfavila> that whole violent enforcement of hierarchy thing is kind of like, the opposite of progressivism
[2024-05-12T04:28:48Z] <riteo> yeah the "i'm a leftist" is clearly bullshit
[2024-05-12T04:29:09Z] <riteo> probably they think that not being bigoted is being leftist if they're actually being serious
[2024-05-12T04:29:27Z] <midfavila> that's the usual north american definition
[2024-05-12T04:29:36Z] <riteo> why are you watching a state newscast
[2024-05-12T04:29:51Z] <riteo> TV's awful and mass journalism is even worse
[2024-05-12T04:30:00Z] <midfavila> because i would rather watch a state newscast than a private newscast
[2024-05-12T04:30:11Z] <midfavila> and there aren't any local cooperative outlets
[2024-05-12T04:30:13Z] <riteo> why are you watching a newscast in the first place
[2024-05-12T04:30:34Z] <midfavila> because there's a triple election within the next year's timeframe or so
[2024-05-12T04:30:40Z] <midfavila> municipal, provincial, and federal
[2024-05-12T04:30:51Z] <midfavila> and there are a lot of huge issues on the table that could have a direct impact on me in the near future
[2024-05-12T04:30:59Z] <midfavila> such as whether or not i'll be stuck as a rentoid for the rest of my life
[2024-05-12T04:31:10Z] <riteo> genuinely asking, aren't there better news sources than a state tv newscast
[2024-05-12T04:31:21Z] <riteo> like online
[2024-05-12T04:31:28Z] <midfavila> tbf i'm watching cbc online
[2024-05-12T04:31:39Z] <midfavila> but there are other small news channels i watch
[2024-05-12T04:31:52Z] <riteo> oh well that's better I suppose than watching it on TV, you know, due to ads
[2024-05-12T04:31:59Z] <midfavila> yep
[2024-05-12T04:32:02Z] <riteo> I can't absolutely bear tv channels anymore
[2024-05-12T04:32:11Z] <midfavila> i've never watched tv
[2024-05-12T04:32:12Z] <midfavila> like ever
[2024-05-12T04:32:26Z] <riteo> I'm a wee baby and since I still live and eat with my family I'm forced to watch it
[2024-05-12T04:32:39Z] <riteo> I at least managed to convince them to mute the tv while ads are on
[2024-05-12T04:34:32Z] <riteo> it doesn't help that the main groups are either "state channels" (RAI) or fucking hyper-capitalist private company founded by noneother than Silvio Berlusconi
[2024-05-12T04:34:49Z] <midfavila> luigi guiseppe
[2024-05-12T04:34:53Z] <midfavila> giuseppe
[2024-05-12T04:34:53Z] <riteo> lmao
[2024-05-12T04:34:58Z] <midfavila> whatever
[2024-05-12T04:35:09Z] <riteo> no idae if you ever heard of him, he made the news all over the world for a shitton of crazy things
[2024-05-12T04:35:13Z] <midfavila> yeah i just ignore libertarians 
[2024-05-12T04:35:21Z] <riteo> you did right
[2024-05-12T04:35:24Z] <midfavila> nop
[2024-05-12T04:35:39Z] <midfavila> i hyperfocus pretty much exclusively on what happens in my city and province
[2024-05-12T04:36:08Z] <riteo> laws ad hominem (like lowering the age of consent, imagine why), alleged connections with the mafia (he even stayed in prison) and other shady shit
[2024-05-12T04:36:37Z] <midfavila> the only things i know about italy are funny neapoliton pizza song, spaghetti, funny names, and coffee
[2024-05-12T04:36:38Z] <midfavila> and gelato
[2024-05-12T04:36:47Z] <riteo> his main work, this huge tv network was apparently born through a loop-hole by making 20 fucking different channels, one per region, and synching them up
[2024-05-12T04:36:48Z] <midfavila> and like
[2024-05-12T04:36:49Z] <midfavila> venice
[2024-05-12T04:36:58Z] <riteo> midfavila: that's not too far lol
[2024-05-12T04:37:06Z] <midfavila> oh so it's basically just rupert murdoch in the uk then
[2024-05-12T04:37:13Z] <midfavila> yeah that's pretty standard media mogul behaviour
[2024-05-12T04:37:19Z] <riteo> for some reason most of italy's perception is neapolitan, with which I'm related as I live in a province of naples
[2024-05-12T04:37:55Z] <midfavila> doo doo doo doo doot dooooooooooooo, da da da dooo, da da da dooo
[2024-05-12T04:38:19Z] <midfavila> there's a local italian cafe that serves gelato and stocks a bunch of import food
[2024-05-12T04:38:21Z] <midfavila> good stuff
[2024-05-12T04:38:40Z] <riteo> yeah we go proud by this stuff
[2024-05-12T04:38:54Z] <midfavila> apparently the owner of the store went to "gelato university"
[2024-05-12T04:38:58Z] <midfavila> idk if that's a thing but the stuff is tasty
[2024-05-12T04:39:15Z] <riteo> I'm pretty sure one just gets a certification by going to an academy or something
[2024-05-12T04:39:18Z] <midfavila> i like to stop by and grab an affogato whenever i'm in that part of town
[2024-05-12T04:39:28Z] <midfavila> today i had hazelnut gelato in my espresso
[2024-05-12T04:39:31Z] <midfavila> super yummy
[2024-05-12T04:39:36Z] <riteo> oh nice
[2024-05-12T04:39:46Z] <riteo> we usually use nutella to get an hazelnut espresso
[2024-05-12T04:39:55Z] <riteo> I suppose that using a gelato makes it cold which sounds tasty
[2024-05-12T04:40:15Z] <midfavila> yeah it ends up suuuuper thick and creamy and nutty
[2024-05-12T04:40:22Z] <riteo> mh nice gotta try it out
[2024-05-12T04:40:23Z] <midfavila> and the espresso beans they use are really nice too
[2024-05-12T04:40:37Z] <midfavila> so it has this amazing bold taste with the smoothness from the gelato and it's just aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2024-05-12T04:40:59Z] <riteo> a nice coffee beverage I had no idea about up to a few years ago was "Caffè Leccese", which as the name implies comes from Lecce, an apulian place (where I did in fact tasted it for the first time)
[2024-05-12T04:41:10Z] <riteo> do you folks have orzata?
[2024-05-12T04:41:17Z] <riteo> it's this almond syrup thing
[2024-05-12T04:41:31Z] <midfavila> i'm sure the cafe would
[2024-05-12T04:41:34Z] <midfavila> but i've never run into it
[2024-05-12T04:41:39Z] <riteo> basically you pour orzata into a glass with ice and then dump a small cup of espresso into it
[2024-05-12T04:41:45Z] <midfavila> the most italian thing i've ever seen in a regular store here is pesto
[2024-05-12T04:41:59Z] <riteo> it becomes this cold almond coffee which is crazy good, especially in the summer
[2024-05-12T04:42:16Z] <midfavila> yum
[2024-05-12T04:43:18Z] <riteo> everything can be italian if you squint hard enough
[2024-05-12T04:43:28Z] <riteo> it's nothing special really, it's just that they're simple recipies
[2024-05-12T04:43:45Z] <riteo> that's what most foreigners get wrong. "I'll put some powdered onion in there" NO, it's simpler
[2024-05-12T04:43:46Z] <riteo> KISS
[2024-05-12T04:44:03Z] <midfavila> i'm putting onion powder in it anyway
[2024-05-12T04:44:06Z] <midfavila> i put onion powder in everything
[2024-05-12T04:44:16Z] <riteo> yeah taste is still taste
[2024-05-12T04:44:23Z] <midfavila> onion power, garlic powder, salt, pepper, chili or chipotle
[2024-05-12T04:44:24Z] <riteo> but it's not needed to be "authentic", whatever that means
[2024-05-12T04:44:44Z] <riteo> also everybody forgets about nothern italy, which is mostly mountany and which is partially connected with germany
[2024-05-12T04:44:50Z] <midfavila> if you don't make it literally just like nonno luigi did back in 1910 it's racist
[2024-05-12T04:45:07Z] <midfavila> *only* italians are allowed to enjoy italian food
[2024-05-12T04:45:16Z] <midfavila> so says the american liberal
[2024-05-12T04:45:39Z] <riteo> people argue on their recipes here too so I'd argue that it's actually unclear what's "authentic"
[2024-05-12T04:45:59Z] <midfavila> idk i think if you're using regional ingredients and techniques it's good enough
[2024-05-12T04:46:05Z] <midfavila> but like
[2024-05-12T04:46:07Z] <midfavila> honestly who cares
[2024-05-12T04:46:09Z] <midfavila> food is food 
[2024-05-12T04:46:11Z] <riteo> yeah
[2024-05-12T04:46:14Z] <midfavila> as long as it's delicious who gives a shit lmao
[2024-05-12T04:46:20Z] <riteo> like, one thing I'm extremely lax about is, surprisingly, pizza
[2024-05-12T04:46:25Z] <riteo> make a good bread, that's all that matters
[2024-05-12T04:46:28Z] <riteo> put whatever on it, I don't care
[2024-05-12T04:46:30Z] <midfavila> >pineapple
[2024-05-12T04:46:38Z] <riteo> I don't give a shit
[2024-05-12T04:46:43Z] * midfavila gasps
[2024-05-12T04:46:43Z] <riteo> we have sweet pizzas
[2024-05-12T04:46:52Z] <midfavila> i've had sweet pizza before
[2024-05-12T04:46:57Z] <midfavila> pineapple still doesn't belong on pizza
[2024-05-12T04:46:57Z] <riteo> _AND_ prepare for it, this is actually authentic...
[2024-05-12T04:47:00Z] * riteo rolls drums
[2024-05-12T04:47:39Z] <riteo> we have a thing here in naples, super authentic, named "parigina" which is pizza with tomato, ham, apparently mozzarella (but I've never seen one with it) and... Pastry bread on top
[2024-05-12T04:47:50Z] <riteo> like, the thin thing with a lot of layers
[2024-05-12T04:47:53Z] <midfavila> that sounds pretty tasty
[2024-05-12T04:47:58Z] <riteo> it is indeed
[2024-05-12T04:47:59Z] <midfavila> like a savory baklava
[2024-05-12T04:48:07Z] <riteo> and bread on the bottom
[2024-05-12T04:48:19Z] <riteo> but if anyone outside of naples would've thought about it they would've gone out of their minds
[2024-05-12T04:48:40Z] <riteo> yet here we are eating this type of filled pizza like it's nothing despite having one of the weirdest toppings I've ever seen in my life
[2024-05-12T04:48:54Z] <riteo> so, after that, I've come to the conclusion that the pizza topping debacle has no standing
[2024-05-12T04:49:06Z] <midfavila> idk as long as i'm not eating squid tentacles or organ meat i'm generally not super picky
[2024-05-12T04:49:18Z] <riteo> like, look at this thing: https://blog.giallozafferano.it/adryincucina/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/pizza-parigina.jpg
[2024-05-12T04:49:32Z] <midfavila> yummy
[2024-05-12T04:49:33Z] <riteo> if this were invented in america it would be banned in italy by law or something
[2024-05-12T04:50:00Z] <riteo> also there's like super little info about this online for some reason
[2024-05-12T04:50:25Z] <riteo> along with "Succo ACE", which is a kind of beverage made with oranges, carrots and lemons
[2024-05-12T04:50:40Z] <riteo> but I'll stop here because I could go on forever about curious food facts lol
[2024-05-12T04:50:46Z] <midfavila> nah that sounds pretty good
[2024-05-12T04:50:50Z] <riteo> I wonder how much local food is undocumented
[2024-05-12T04:50:52Z] <midfavila> i've made some pretty weird drinks before
[2024-05-12T04:51:02Z] <riteo> it is super good and widely sold
[2024-05-12T04:51:02Z] <midfavila> i used to work at a drink stand and we made stuff with beets
[2024-05-12T04:51:17Z] <riteo> but nobody seems to care about it, just like with pariginas. We just take them for granted or something
[2024-05-12T04:51:28Z] <riteo> we even have juice bricks with ace juice in it
[2024-05-12T04:52:00Z] <riteo> do you have some super-local food that nobody else knows about?
[2024-05-12T04:52:10Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2024-05-12T04:52:25Z] <midfavila> i mean the closest thing i can think of off the top of my head would be saskatoon berries
[2024-05-12T04:52:30Z] <midfavila> but i also just moved here
[2024-05-12T04:52:40Z] <midfavila> they're kind of like less sweet slightly more tart blueberries
[2024-05-12T04:52:44Z] <midfavila> kinda rhubarby
[2024-05-12T04:52:46Z] <midfavila> really yummy
[2024-05-12T04:52:51Z] <midfavila> they're in everything here
[2024-05-12T04:53:00Z] <riteo> oh cool
[2024-05-12T04:53:14Z] <riteo> we have very little bluberries here but I can imagine what they taste like and they seem yummy
[2024-05-12T04:53:24Z] <midfavila> blueberries are...
[2024-05-12T04:53:28Z] <midfavila> if they're ripe, they're super sweet
[2024-05-12T04:53:33Z] <midfavila> like, teeth-hurting sweet
[2024-05-12T04:53:44Z] <midfavila> they're kinda firm at first but the second they start to give they collapse completely
[2024-05-12T04:53:51Z] <midfavila> kinda like they burst but without the pop?
[2024-05-12T04:53:58Z] <midfavila> otherwise they're kind of bland
[2024-05-12T04:54:04Z] <midfavila> they're the white sugar of fruits
[2024-05-12T04:54:15Z] <riteo> nice
[2024-05-12T04:54:58Z] <riteo> I think I'll start prepping for going to sleep as it's 7 AM here and I must take at least a nap
[2024-05-12T04:55:07Z] <midfavila> ye fair
[2024-05-12T04:55:11Z] <riteo> It's been a pleasure having a long conversation with you after all this time!
[2024-05-12T04:55:13Z] <midfavila> i need to sleep soon too
[2024-05-12T04:55:19Z] <midfavila> well, you know, you have my email ;p
[2024-05-12T04:55:39Z] <riteo> oh thinking about it I've never used emails for casual conversation
[2024-05-12T04:55:52Z] <riteo> might be fun once in a while for more structured discussions, good point
[2024-05-12T04:56:21Z] <riteo> that said, IRC is fun exactly because everything is so freeform and whatever, and I haven't felt that magic in quite a bit, especially with you (damn was it really a year or two?)
[2024-05-12T04:56:38Z] <midfavila> yes
[2024-05-12T04:56:46Z] <midfavila> i haven't done anything computer-y since january 2023
[2024-05-12T04:57:11Z] <riteo> wait aren't you now in IT department
[2024-05-12T04:57:18Z] <riteo> or is it a new thing
[2024-05-12T04:57:21Z] <midfavila> in theory
[2024-05-12T04:57:30Z] <midfavila> in practice i just plug cables in and do basic stuff
[2024-05-12T04:57:37Z] <riteo> better than nothing I guess
[2024-05-12T04:57:40Z] <midfavila> it's close enough to put it on my CV though
[2024-05-12T04:57:47Z] <riteo> nice
[2024-05-12T04:57:52Z] <riteo> that said, gtg
[2024-05-12T04:57:52Z] <midfavila> hoping with a few more certs and some experience plus my college diploma...
[2024-05-12T04:57:53Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2024-05-12T04:57:56Z] <midfavila> anyway yeah ttyl
[2024-05-12T04:58:02Z] <riteo> cya!
[2024-05-12T17:58:38Z] <Natris1979> man, glad I came here. I hadn't realized kisslinux.org had been taken over by nastiness. I knew it had be archived/stagnant but still.
[2024-05-12T18:28:33Z] <sewn> awesomesauce
[2024-05-12T19:09:02Z] <testuser[m]> > If you need to split stems to create karaoke version of any song use online tool  that is called vocal remover. It works on any Linux distribution.
[2024-05-12T19:09:07Z] <testuser[m]> who put this lol
[2024-05-12T19:16:44Z] <sewn> testuser[m]: that's my question brah
[2024-05-12T19:16:58Z] <sewn> it was bought out, scraped, and now is being used as advertising
[2024-05-12T19:20:22Z] <Natris1979> super gross 
[2024-05-12T22:39:52Z] <midfavila> i am of the being returned
[2024-05-12T22:39:55Z] <midfavila> hemlno
[2024-05-12T22:40:10Z] <midfavila> rootfs is almost back up and running
[2024-05-12T22:52:07Z] <midfavila> i would suggest that kiss-community's x11 emacs build be reconfigured to target the lucid toolkit instead of gtk3
[2024-05-12T22:52:14Z] <midfavila> gtk3 is known to have stability issues
[2024-05-12T22:52:19Z] <midfavila> particularly in daemon mode
[2024-05-12T22:52:37Z] <midfavila> gtk3 also runs like shit compared to the xaw build