2020-03-08T00:25:17 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> sup fam
2020-03-08T03:58:04 #kisslinux <nathanreginato> hello
2020-03-08T03:58:04 #kisslinux <nathanreginato> Heyyyy
2020-03-08T03:58:22 #kisslinux <nathanreginato> ls
2020-03-08T03:58:28 #kisslinux <nathanreginato> this is super cool
2020-03-08T03:59:06 #kisslinux <nathanreginato> aaa
2020-03-08T08:03:37 #kisslinux <lukasfri> So, made a new acc here
2020-03-08T08:04:10 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I love #kisslinux its like a debloated mix of Arch and Gentoo
2020-03-08T08:24:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-03-08T08:25:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lukasfri: :D
2020-03-08T08:40:13 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> o/
2020-03-08T08:40:43 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> back on KISS lol
2020-03-08T09:07:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-03-08T09:07:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-03-08T09:12:33 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> Wich commit is the "Fixed permissions bug in /tmp."?
2020-03-08T09:12:46 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> s/Wich/Which/g
2020-03-08T09:13:47 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> Can't seem to find it from the last 29 commits after 1.9.10.
2020-03-08T09:28:10 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> o/
2020-03-08T09:31:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> back
2020-03-08T09:31:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lieuxnoir: Not a commit
2020-03-08T09:31:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But a fix to the chroot
2020-03-08T09:32:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Basically: chmod 1777 /tmp /var/tmp /var/spool/mail
2020-03-08T09:41:19 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> dylanaraps: I tried to posix-ify your script and this is all I can do lol https://termbin.com/c7nu
2020-03-08T09:42:25 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> Any suggestions for improvement?
2020-03-08T09:43:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lieuxnoir: It is posix already
2020-03-08T09:43:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The shebang is wrong
2020-03-08T09:46:58 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> Oh right thanks
2020-03-08T09:50:10 #kisslinux <lieuxnoir> What does the underscore mean?
2020-03-08T09:51:25 #kisslinux <lukasfri> How do i start a script with sowm
2020-03-08T09:51:34 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I wanna set a wallpaper etc
2020-03-08T09:51:49 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Tried xinitrc
2020-03-08T09:54:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> xinitrc
2020-03-08T09:54:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Prior to 'exec sowm'
2020-03-08T09:57:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > -> xz Build finished in 5s
2020-03-08T09:57:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-03-08T09:57:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lukasfri: Send me your .xinitrc?
2020-03-08T10:09:04 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Nevermind fixed it
2020-03-08T10:09:34 #kisslinux <lukasfri> But if i autostart st  its in the top left corner
2020-03-08T10:09:48 #kisslinux <lukasfri> And i cant move it
2020-03-08T10:12:07 #kisslinux <lukasfri> How can i start something after sowm is loaded?
2020-03-08T10:20:45 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Any idea?
2020-03-08T10:22:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lukasfri: You'll need to patch sowm.
2020-03-08T10:22:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's a patch lying around. I'll update it and publish it for you.
2020-03-08T10:22:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just give me 15 minutes or so. I'm about to release neofetch 7.0.0 :P
2020-03-08T10:26:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch/releases/tag/7.0.0
2020-03-08T10:38:33 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Hah, i got it workin with putting some "sh -c " and "&" here and there
2020-03-08T10:38:50 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Also neofetch 7 owo
2020-03-08T10:41:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lukasfri: https://github.com/dylanaraps/sowm/pull/64
2020-03-08T10:41:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Added the patch
2020-03-08T10:42:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I haven't tested it so you'll be the guinea pig ;)
2020-03-08T10:42:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It does build without warning
2020-03-08T10:47:03 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Now i inplemented that in sh
2020-03-08T10:47:06 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Damn
2020-03-08T10:47:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I told you I'd do this before you went and did that ;)
2020-03-08T10:48:08 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Ok, so how do i apply that patch
2020-03-08T10:49:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'patch -p1 < patch.patch'
2020-03-08T10:49:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> In your own copy of the repository
2020-03-08T10:49:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or you can merge the PR into your repo if it's on GitHub
2020-03-08T10:49:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or you can use 'git apply'
2020-03-08T10:49:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's endless ways to do it
2020-03-08T11:11:00 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Give meba sec
2020-03-08T11:18:42 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Does not work
2020-03-08T11:19:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Aw
2020-03-08T11:19:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll do some tests later
2020-03-08T11:19:53 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Ok
2020-03-08T11:59:00 #kisslinux <fehawen> hi
2020-03-08T12:21:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 3ello
2020-03-08T12:21:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oops
2020-03-08T14:38:58 #kisslinux <fehawen> Quiet sunday here today
2020-03-08T14:40:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh yeah
2020-03-08T14:40:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Cooking fish right now
2020-03-08T14:41:29 #kisslinux <fehawen> What fish?
2020-03-08T14:42:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Bakaliaros
2020-03-08T14:42:57 #kisslinux <fehawen> The fried small ones, marithia I think they're called, are great
2020-03-08T14:42:59 #kisslinux <fehawen> Ah
2020-03-08T14:43:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I like gavros in the summer
2020-03-08T14:43:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> European anchovy in English I believe
2020-03-08T14:43:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The Bakaliaros is a type of Cod I think
2020-03-08T14:44:05 #kisslinux <fehawen> Yeah I think it is
2020-03-08T14:44:52 #kisslinux <fehawen> I used to hunt octopus with a spear
2020-03-08T14:45:14 #kisslinux <fehawen> Then make octpus salad, boiling it in 1 can of Tuborg soda water
2020-03-08T14:45:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-03-08T14:45:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-03-08T14:45:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Fish is done
2020-03-08T14:45:56 #kisslinux <fehawen> Cool
2020-03-08T14:47:45 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Is there a scrot (scr) package?
2020-03-08T14:49:08 #kisslinux <k1ss> nope, no scrot
2020-03-08T14:52:25 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Any other way to take screenshots on kiss?
2020-03-08T14:54:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See the FAQ
2020-03-08T14:54:53 #kisslinux <k1ss> https://k1ss.org/faq
2020-03-08T14:55:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Package scrot yourself if you'd like it
2020-03-08T14:57:20 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I remember, but ffmpeg? How does it screenshot?
2020-03-08T14:57:36 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I can only find video to img
2020-03-08T14:59:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > ffmpeg -y -hide_banner -loglevel error -f x11grab -video_size 3200x1800 -i :0.0 -vframes 1 /path/to/file
2020-03-08T14:59:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Change 3200x1800 to your resolution
2020-03-08T14:59:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The '-y', '-hide_banner' and '-loglevel error' portions are optional. They just make ffmpeg silent.
2020-03-08T15:00:31 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Lol what the hell
2020-03-08T15:05:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, scrot is kinda dead. Upstream is now: https://github.com/resurrecting-open-source-projects/scrot
2020-03-08T15:05:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It also now has a make dependency on: autoconf-archive
2020-03-08T15:05:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which is gross
2020-03-08T15:06:43 #kisslinux <KayW> also scrot is just kinda bad in general, IMO. maim+slop is the way to go
2020-03-08T15:09:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All the scrot depends other than giblib are new too
2020-03-08T15:30:32 #kisslinux <bluesky> hi
2020-03-08T15:30:45 #kisslinux <bluesky> 有人在吗
2020-03-08T15:34:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello
2020-03-08T16:19:39 #kisslinux <j3s[m]> hai
2020-03-08T17:23:08 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Kiss is awesome
2020-03-08T17:23:22 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Now i will try to f*** it up
2020-03-08T17:24:03 #kisslinux <lukasfri> *compiling glibc*
2020-03-08T17:24:58 #kisslinux <lukasfri> make -i ftw
2020-03-08T18:25:28 #kisslinux <semicolon> hi
2020-03-08T18:25:36 #kisslinux <semicolon> oh neat, it uses theoh neat, this uses the name of the computer
2020-03-08T18:25:40 #kisslinux <semicolon> oh dear
2020-03-08T18:25:44 #kisslinux <semicolon> what happened there
2020-03-08T18:25:55 #kisslinux <semicolon> my buffer disappeared and still got appended to the message
2020-03-08T18:26:15 #kisslinux <perish> hi
2020-03-08T18:26:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ello
2020-03-08T18:26:45 #kisslinux <perish> how goes it?
2020-03-08T18:26:49 #kisslinux <perish> oh yea i need to update nss
2020-03-08T18:28:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It goes good
2020-03-08T18:30:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It goes good
2020-03-08T18:32:43 #kisslinux <perish> where does kiss store it's cached files again?
2020-03-08T18:33:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ~/.cache/kiss
2020-03-08T18:35:00 #kisslinux <perish> Thank you!
2020-03-08T18:37:55 #kisslinux <perish> kiss isn't getting the right sources when i try to generate a checksum, even thought my sources file is correct, as is my $KISS_PATH
2020-03-08T18:38:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What do you mean?
2020-03-08T18:39:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I need more info
2020-03-08T18:39:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What's the source?
2020-03-08T18:39:25 #kisslinux <perish> Well, I've set my $KISS_PATH to the directory in which I keep my version of community.
2020-03-08T18:39:44 #kisslinux <perish> I have NSS's sources updated to https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_51_RTM/src/nss-3.51-with-nspr-4.25.tar.gz
2020-03-08T18:39:58 #kisslinux <perish> And I type in kiss c nss
2020-03-08T18:40:07 #kisslinux <perish> It still downloads the 3.50 source
2020-03-08T18:40:15 #kisslinux <perish> rather than the 3.51
2020-03-08T18:40:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'echo $KISS_PATH'?
2020-03-08T18:41:57 #kisslinux <perish> ah woops
2020-03-08T18:42:00 #kisslinux <k610> q
2020-03-08T18:42:05 #kisslinux <perish> forgot that community contained community
2020-03-08T18:50:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-03-08T18:50:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All goo
2020-03-08T18:50:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> good *
2020-03-08T18:50:55 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I would love to run Discord
2020-03-08T18:50:59 #kisslinux <perish> i prefer the imagery of everything being goo
2020-03-08T18:51:07 #kisslinux <perish> didn't we used to have a discord?
2020-03-08T18:51:46 #kisslinux <perish> also birch is *neat*
2020-03-08T18:53:24 #kisslinux <perish> > I would love to run Discord
2020-03-08T18:53:31 #kisslinux <perish> do you mean running a discord
2020-03-08T18:53:33 #kisslinux <perish> such as for KISS
2020-03-08T18:53:45 #kisslinux <perish> or do you mean running discord itself, lukasfri
2020-03-08T18:54:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> perish: Missing an update to the version file
2020-03-08T18:54:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/community/pull/517/files
2020-03-08T18:55:11 #kisslinux <perish> Whoops.
2020-03-08T18:55:58 #kisslinux <perish> Aw, my question didn't get answered/
2020-03-08T18:56:10 #kisslinux <perish> s///./
2020-03-08T18:56:22 #kisslinux <lukasfri> How can i build the stuff i need
2020-03-08T18:56:29 #kisslinux <perish> What stuff do you need?
2020-03-08T18:56:45 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Support for Discord
2020-03-08T18:56:49 #kisslinux <lukasfri> And blender
2020-03-08T18:56:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just run a chroot of another distribution
2020-03-08T18:57:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or use something like nix.
2020-03-08T18:57:16 #kisslinux <perish> You can't actually use Discord on KISS.
2020-03-08T18:57:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'll have trouble trying to run binaries built with glibc on KISS.
2020-03-08T18:57:26 #kisslinux <perish> Or well, their client
2020-03-08T18:57:36 #kisslinux <perish> Plenty of alternate discord clients exist.
2020-03-08T18:57:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd just use it in the browser
2020-03-08T18:57:46 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Cant i compile glibc
2020-03-08T18:57:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is great: https://github.com/tadeokondrak/IRCdiscord
2020-03-08T18:57:51 #kisslinux <lukasfri> ?
2020-03-08T18:57:58 #kisslinux <perish> You could.
2020-03-08T18:58:04 #kisslinux <perish> Defeats the purpose of using KISS.
2020-03-08T18:58:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let's you use an IRC client to connect to Discor
2020-03-08T18:58:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let's you use an IRC client to connect to Discord*
2020-03-08T18:58:26 #kisslinux <lukasfri> How can i build it
2020-03-08T18:58:31 #kisslinux <perish> Package it.
2020-03-08T18:58:39 #kisslinux <perish> Add it to a repository.
2020-03-08T18:58:47 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Ok
2020-03-08T18:58:48 #kisslinux <perish> Add the repository to your kiss path
2020-03-08T18:58:53 #kisslinux <perish> And generate checksums
2020-03-08T18:59:02 #kisslinux <perish> then kiss b it and kiss i it
2020-03-08T18:59:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd be careful though
2020-03-08T18:59:12 #kisslinux <perish> Why are you trying to use glibc on KISS?
2020-03-08T18:59:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'll run into issues
2020-03-08T18:59:29 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I see
2020-03-08T18:59:31 #kisslinux <perish> You'd need to rebuild the entire system, for instance.
2020-03-08T18:59:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You need to put a lot of thought into this
2020-03-08T18:59:50 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Hmmm...
2020-03-08T18:59:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd just chroot into another distribution to run what I nee
2020-03-08T18:59:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> need*
2020-03-08T19:00:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> My 'd' key is bad...
2020-03-08T19:00:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've run Steam and Chrome this way
2020-03-08T19:00:18 #kisslinux <perish> Why are you using KISS overall, if you want to use glibc software?
2020-03-08T19:00:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's very simple
2020-03-08T19:00:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm not going to extend any help for something like this
2020-03-08T19:00:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just a heads up
2020-03-08T19:01:22 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I see, i will look into building/packageing blender
2020-03-08T19:01:48 #kisslinux <perish> Oh, would you be opposed to me packaging the jailbreak Checkra1n, for KISS?
2020-03-08T19:01:58 #kisslinux <perish> Oh wait.
2020-03-08T19:01:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Is it proprietary?
2020-03-08T19:02:03 #kisslinux <perish> It's still closed source.
2020-03-08T19:02:05 #kisslinux <paper_> dylanaraps: you still have the old website here - https://teespring.com/kiss0
2020-03-08T19:02:06 #kisslinux <perish> Thought they opened it
2020-03-08T19:02:08 #kisslinux <perish> Haha
2020-03-08T19:02:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> paper_: Thanks
2020-03-08T19:02:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh
2020-03-08T19:02:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> On the sticker/tee?
2020-03-08T19:02:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm leaving them like that
2020-03-08T19:03:01 #kisslinux <perish> getkiss.org still?
2020-03-08T19:03:05 #kisslinux <paper_> it's weird to have the new website on half of the items there, but ok
2020-03-08T19:03:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Think of them as historical
2020-03-08T19:03:36 #kisslinux <perish> Fixed the version, btw.
2020-03-08T19:04:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Merged
2020-03-08T19:04:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> paper_: It's half the items because there are other two different items so far
2020-03-08T19:04:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> s/other/only/
2020-03-08T19:05:14 #kisslinux <paper_> k
2020-03-08T19:06:32 #kisslinux <perish> Hm, wonder how hard blender is to package.
2020-03-08T19:07:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Besides, no one has bought any merch (or even donated for that matter). I'm not exactly jumping at the idea of updating the design.
2020-03-08T19:07:47 #kisslinux <perish> Well, FreeBSD has blender.
2020-03-08T19:08:17 #kisslinux <perish> Alpine does not, it seems.
2020-03-08T19:10:41 #kisslinux <perish> lukasfri, why do you quit and rejoin in such rapid succession?
2020-03-08T19:11:04 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Because my internet dies
2020-03-08T19:11:24 #kisslinux <perish> Ah
2020-03-08T19:12:20 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I want a distro that is rolling release and source based... Used gentoo alot
2020-03-08T19:12:44 #kisslinux <lukasfri> The reason i use kiss because its quicker to setup
2020-03-08T19:12:46 #kisslinux <perish> What repelled you from Gentoo?
2020-03-08T19:13:06 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Its still bloat
2020-03-08T19:13:07 #kisslinux <perish> How many times are you setting up your OS?
2020-03-08T19:13:14 #kisslinux <perish> oh dear
2020-03-08T19:13:21 #kisslinux <perish> bloat, the worst buzzword
2020-03-08T19:13:35 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I set up my os alot
2020-03-08T19:13:40 #kisslinux <perish> why
2020-03-08T19:13:52 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I want something perfect
2020-03-08T19:14:01 #kisslinux <perish> also, you can use NixOS as a source-based distro.
2020-03-08T19:14:07 #kisslinux <perish> Simply disable the binary cache.
2020-03-08T19:14:07 #kisslinux <lukasfri> So i have to do it myself
2020-03-08T19:14:20 #kisslinux <lukasfri> I need something simple
2020-03-08T19:14:32 #kisslinux <perish> NixOS is rather simple.
2020-03-08T19:14:41 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Its ok
2020-03-08T19:14:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Eh
2020-03-08T19:14:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I wouldn't call NixOS simple
2020-03-08T19:15:03 #kisslinux <lukasfri> But ... I dint want system d
2020-03-08T19:15:08 #kisslinux <perish> It's definitely going in the right way.
2020-03-08T19:15:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's far from simple
2020-03-08T19:16:08 #kisslinux <lukasfri> SystemD slows my systemDown
2020-03-08T19:16:19 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Lel
2020-03-08T19:16:22 #kisslinux <perish> Nix's approach should be used more, imo. There's a bunch of neat stuff. Shame nix, the language, sucks so hard.
2020-03-08T19:16:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sure
2020-03-08T19:16:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nix itself isn't simple though
2020-03-08T19:17:13 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Well
2020-03-08T19:17:37 #kisslinux <perish> Guile exists, but that looses the benefit of binaries that Nix has.
2020-03-08T19:17:55 #kisslinux <perish> s/Guile/Guix
2020-03-08T19:18:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I wouldn't call Guix's version simple either
2020-03-08T19:18:13 #kisslinux <perish> I refer to the language.
2020-03-08T19:18:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sure, a scheme is probably simpler than Nix
2020-03-08T19:19:09 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Gentoo and Kiss come close to my usecase
2020-03-08T19:19:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not all of Guix is written in Guile though iirc. The daemon isn't from when I last checked.
2020-03-08T19:20:37 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Gentoo runns the bloat i sadly need and
2020-03-08T19:20:37 #kisslinux <lukasfri> Kiss is perfect as an OS but it doesnt run my bloat
2020-03-08T19:21:06 #kisslinux <perish> Almost none of Nix is actually written in Nix.
2020-03-08T19:21:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I know
2020-03-08T19:21:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's C++ mostly
2020-03-08T19:21:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or entirely(?)
2020-03-08T19:21:59 #kisslinux <perish> Mostly.
2020-03-08T19:22:32 #kisslinux <perish> Nix makes up about 4.5 of the source code.
2020-03-08T19:23:00 #kisslinux <perish> Guile makes up 88.6%, in comparison.
2020-03-08T19:23:05 #kisslinux <perish> It's interesting.
2020-03-08T19:23:46 #kisslinux <perish> C++ makes up 7.6%, then Emacs Lisp 3.6%.
2020-03-08T19:25:04 #kisslinux <perish> Oh, regarding Blender.
2020-03-08T19:25:10 #kisslinux <perish> You'll be doing a lot of packaging.
2020-03-08T19:25:10 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Yeah?
2020-03-08T19:25:22 #kisslinux <perish> There's a lot of dependencies.
2020-03-08T19:25:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A lot of what blender needs is packaged
2020-03-08T19:25:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Don't take other distribution's packages as gospel
2020-03-08T19:25:56 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Oh man, what should i do
2020-03-08T19:26:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They're wrong most of the time
2020-03-08T19:26:26 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Why isnt everything just musl libc
2020-03-08T19:27:07 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Then i could just download blender and discord
2020-03-08T19:28:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's a lot of reasons
2020-03-08T19:28:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The most obvious is that the distributions with the most users run glibc
2020-03-08T19:30:25 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> I know
2020-03-08T19:30:33 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Its just sad
2020-03-08T19:30:59 #kisslinux <perish> The discord electron client is horribly inefficent.
2020-03-08T19:31:13 #kisslinux <perish> I don't see why you'd want to run it
2020-03-08T19:32:15 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Well... I want to talk
2020-03-08T19:32:27 #kisslinux <perish> There are multiple clients.
2020-03-08T19:32:34 #kisslinux <perish> GTKcord, 6cord, cordless, ripcord.
2020-03-08T19:32:35 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Discord with just chat is useless
2020-03-08T19:32:40 #kisslinux <perish> The web client.
2020-03-08T19:32:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> IRCDiscord is good
2020-03-08T19:33:02 #kisslinux <perish> You can just alias discord to a script that launches discord.
2020-03-08T19:33:19 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Is one of them in the kiss repo?
2020-03-08T19:33:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nope
2020-03-08T19:34:05 #kisslinux <perish> Webbrowsers are.
2020-03-08T19:34:20 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> I need to talk tho
2020-03-08T19:34:30 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Web doesnt do talk
2020-03-08T19:34:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Remember, if something isn't packaged it's because no one has needed it and has therefore not packaged it.
2020-03-08T19:34:35 #kisslinux <perish> "Talk"
2020-03-08T19:34:38 #kisslinux <perish> You mean VC?
2020-03-08T19:34:43 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Yes
2020-03-08T19:34:56 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Sry
2020-03-08T19:35:13 #kisslinux <perish> You're wrong.
2020-03-08T19:35:23 #kisslinux <perish> Just opened up a VC in the web client.
2020-03-08T19:35:50 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Well, it says i should use firefox if i want to VC
2020-03-08T19:36:02 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> While i am in firefox
2020-03-08T19:36:10 #kisslinux <perish> The only thing that isn't supported is Screenshare/Go Live
2020-03-08T19:36:19 #kisslinux <perish> Is your useragent firefox?
2020-03-08T19:36:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Our Firefox comes with webrtc disabled fyi
2020-03-08T19:36:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not sure if Discord requires it
2020-03-08T19:36:39 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> I .... Guess?
2020-03-08T19:36:44 #kisslinux <perish> The firefox binary?
2020-03-08T19:36:46 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Havnt changed it
2020-03-08T19:36:56 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Yes
2020-03-08T19:36:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-08T19:37:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It does use webrtc
2020-03-08T19:37:12 #kisslinux <perish> Guess it's time to compile your own firefox
2020-03-08T19:37:20 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Damn
2020-03-08T19:37:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though webrtc comes with some privacy concerns
2020-03-08T19:37:58 #kisslinux <perish> People who are privacy concious wouldn't be using discord.
2020-03-08T19:38:07 #kisslinux <perish> Let alone voicechatting on discord.
2020-03-08T19:38:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You're right about that
2020-03-08T19:38:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> God, why does anything use boost?
2020-03-08T19:38:33 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Yesh, i hate Discord
2020-03-08T19:38:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I almost have a working blender package
2020-03-08T19:38:48 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Wut? Rly
2020-03-08T19:38:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-08T19:38:58 #kisslinux <perish> If you hate discord then why do you use it?
2020-03-08T19:38:59 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Awesome
2020-03-08T19:39:15 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> This is the most important thing for me
2020-03-08T19:39:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lukasfri5: Note: I won't be maintaining this.
2020-03-08T19:39:33 #kisslinux <perish> Mattermost provides a similar client, dencentralised hosting and encryption.
2020-03-08T19:39:45 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> VC?
2020-03-08T19:40:01 #kisslinux <perish> Use a different tool.
2020-03-08T19:40:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The best privacy is no technology
2020-03-08T19:40:36 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> I can send updates to the blender pkg
2020-03-08T19:40:46 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> I will maintain
2020-03-08T19:41:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lukasfri5: Maintaining a package is more than just bumping the versions. If you're lucky that's all it'll be.
2020-03-08T19:41:14 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> I know
2020-03-08T19:41:16 #kisslinux <perish> Mattermost is primarily a slack alternative.
2020-03-08T19:41:30 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> But i have to start somewhere
2020-03-08T19:41:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Blender would be jumping in at the deep end
2020-03-08T19:42:14 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Yeah? Why?
2020-03-08T19:42:25 #kisslinux <perish> Blender is a massive piece of software.
2020-03-08T19:42:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's not a good idea to start maintaining a package without having written one before.
2020-03-08T19:43:20 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> :/
2020-03-08T19:43:36 #kisslinux <perish> It's a simple format.
2020-03-08T19:43:53 #kisslinux <lukasfri5> Maybe ur right
2020-03-08T19:43:56 #kisslinux <perish> Much prefer to the CRUX/BSD makefile format that's proliterated everywhere.
2020-03-08T19:44:50 #kisslinux <perish> How many package formats use that now?
2020-03-08T19:45:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A lot
2020-03-08T19:45:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What's unique? RPM based distributions? APT/dpkg based ones? ???
2020-03-08T19:45:47 #kisslinux <perish> Off the top of my head, I can remember CRUX, Venom, Alpine, Void, and Arch using it in the Linux world.
2020-03-08T19:45:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh yeah, OpenSUSE are swapping to RPM soon-ish.
2020-03-08T19:46:09 #kisslinux <perish> They've been RPM based for ages, haven't they?
2020-03-08T19:46:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They use zypper though no?
2020-03-08T19:46:28 #kisslinux <perish> Just they use zypper rather than dnf
2020-03-08T19:46:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-03-08T19:46:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Well, they're swapping to dnf
2020-03-08T19:46:42 #kisslinux <perish> Ouch
2020-03-08T19:47:00 #kisslinux <perish> zypper and yast were both faster than standard RPM package managers
2020-03-08T19:48:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Well, dnf is being rewritten in C(?)
2020-03-08T19:48:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or is it rpm?
2020-03-08T19:48:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Whichever was python based
2020-03-08T19:58:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-03-08T20:14:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > [  0%] Building CXX object extern/audaspace/CMakeFiles/audaspace.dir/src/fx/Delay.cpp.o
2020-03-08T20:14:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Blender is building now
2020-03-08T20:14:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Notes:
2020-03-08T20:15:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> - The build system is very modular. A lot can be disabled if you like.
2020-03-08T20:15:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> - Blender doesn't seem to work with samurai so -G'Unix Makefiles' is needed.
2020-03-08T20:16:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> - A patch is needed for musl compatibility. The patches lying around on the net require rewriting as their formatted in a way which is incompatible with busybox patch.
2020-03-08T20:18:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> - -DWITH_TBB=OFF causes the build to fail due to a bug in turning this off. Certain TBB related stuff is still enabled. The build seems to fail with it on too.
2020-03-08T20:18:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Other than this it's pretty normal so far
2020-03-08T20:43:16 #kisslinux <mforney> dylanaraps: what's the error when building blender with samurai?
2020-03-08T20:45:13 #kisslinux <mforney> nearly all the time i hit an error building something with samurai is because the package didn't specify a dependency on a generated header somewhere
2020-03-08T20:45:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 2 secs
2020-03-08T20:45:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This could be entirely my fault
2020-03-08T20:46:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > ninja: file is missing and not created by any action: 'Boost::filesystem-NOTFOUND'
2020-03-08T20:46:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's the only output
2020-03-08T20:46:48 #kisslinux <mforney> hmm... i'll see if i can reproduce
2020-03-08T20:47:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's in a long block like this:
2020-03-08T20:47:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > lib/libextern_quadriflow.a  lib/libbf_intern_locale.a  Boost::filesystem-NOTFOUND  Boost::regex-NOTFOUND  Boost::thread-NOTFOUND
2020-03-08T20:48:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which starts with:
2020-03-08T20:48:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > build bin/blender:
2020-03-08T20:50:19 #kisslinux <mforney> can you check if it works with ninja to see if its a samurai problem, or just something related to cmake dependency detection?
2020-03-08T20:50:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> sure
2020-03-08T20:51:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > ninja: error: 'Boost::filesystem-NOTFOUND', needed by 'bin/blender', missing and no known rule to make it
2020-03-08T20:51:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Huzzah
2020-03-08T20:53:09 #kisslinux <mforney> cool. i wonder why that's not caught earlier by cmake
2020-03-08T20:53:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No idea. I'm not fully packaging blender so I don't really care enough to dig deeper.
2020-03-08T20:54:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just checking to see what would be required
2020-03-08T20:54:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It could be that the boost package in community excludes the filesystem stuff
2020-03-08T20:54:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or an incorrect path to boost
2020-03-08T21:28:16 #kisslinux <illiliti> why linux-headers needed? could we use this instead of downloading full kernel? -  https://github.com/sabotage-linux/kernel-headers
2020-03-08T21:32:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Those musl fixes aren't needed anymore
2020-03-08T21:35:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, our headers package won't change very often.
2020-03-08T21:35:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I mean rarely
2020-03-08T21:36:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I _may_ bump them to 5.4 soon but there likely won't be another bump till 6.X.
2020-03-08T21:38:20 #kisslinux <illiliti> ok but if we need only headers, downloading tarball of full kernel is redundant, no?
2020-03-08T21:38:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If it happens every 6 months + (if that), I don't see the problem
2020-03-08T21:39:33 #kisslinux <illiliti> fair
2020-03-08T21:40:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Otherwise I'll publish tarballs of just the headers from upstream
2020-03-08T21:55:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hmmm, looks like I can't run two instances of birch at once
2020-03-08T21:56:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Any channel/msg that was open in the first instance before I started the second instance will appear in the second instance
2020-03-08T21:58:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-08T21:58:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Behavior was changed to be like weechat
2020-03-08T21:58:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though I don't like it either
2020-03-08T22:00:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl: Fixed
2020-03-08T22:01:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nice, I'll try it out sooon
2020-03-08T22:01:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *soon
2020-03-08T22:09:00 #kisslinux <perish> exit
2020-03-08T22:09:03 #kisslinux <perish> i return
2020-03-08T22:09:12 #kisslinux <perish> the only context i had was rpm or dnf was in python
2020-03-08T22:09:39 #kisslinux <perish> dnf is python
2020-03-08T22:09:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-08T22:10:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They're rewriting it I believe
2020-03-08T22:10:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/b1ecedf0f89ef5251fa7023c8fe766940b033fe7
2020-03-08T22:10:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Download is now 1MB.
2020-03-08T22:12:12 #kisslinux <perish> [200~DNF was originally written in Python, but as of 2016 efforts are under way to port it to C and move most functionality from Python code into the new libdnf library.[9] libdnf is already used by PackageKit, a Linux distribution-agnostic package system abstraction library, even though the library does not have most of DNF's features.[10]~
2020-03-08T22:12:19 #kisslinux <perish> from wikipedia
2020-03-08T22:12:23 #kisslinux <perish> it's been 4 years
2020-03-08T22:12:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-03-08T22:13:24 #kisslinux <perish> i recently installed fedora on my new laptop
2020-03-08T22:13:25 #kisslinux <perish> its neat
2020-03-08T22:13:41 #kisslinux <perish>  some p some neat features
2020-03-08T22:14:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Like?
2020-03-08T22:15:01 #kisslinux <perish> dnf swap
2020-03-08T22:15:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> An alternatives system?
2020-03-08T22:15:42 #kisslinux <perish> remove and install a package in the same command
2020-03-08T22:16:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'cmd remove && cmd install' ?? lol
2020-03-08T22:16:59 #kisslinux <perish> dnf swap @package @package2 is easier to type than 'dnf remove package && dnf install package2'
2020-03-08T22:17:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sure
2020-03-08T22:17:41 #kisslinux <perish> its for the lazy of us
2020-03-08T22:17:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But is it _really_ needed?
2020-03-08T22:18:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> An alias could do that. ;)
2020-03-08T22:18:15 #kisslinux <perish> this is a mainstream distro we're talking about
2020-03-08T22:18:49 #kisslinux <perish> it probably breaks some system someone set up at the creation of dnf
2020-03-08T22:20:25 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=DNF-5-Entering-Development
2020-03-08T22:20:27 #kisslinux <illiliti> particularly with moving away from PackageKit and in its place developing a new DBus service to provide an interface to GUI-based package management applications
2020-03-08T22:20:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> App stores baby
2020-03-08T22:20:37 #kisslinux <illiliti> dbus everywhere
2020-03-08T22:21:01 #kisslinux <perish> appstores r neat for getting people to switch
2020-03-08T22:21:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Meh
2020-03-08T22:21:27 #kisslinux <perish> it's so much more convenient to have one place to get stuff
2020-03-08T22:21:31 #kisslinux <perish> compared to windows
2020-03-08T22:21:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Linux has had that for years
2020-03-08T22:21:42 #kisslinux <perish> yes
2020-03-08T22:21:48 #kisslinux <perish> but via commandlines
2020-03-08T22:21:55 #kisslinux <perish> and commandlines are scary for some people
2020-03-08T22:22:10 #kisslinux <perish> they shouldn't be
2020-03-08T22:22:12 #kisslinux <perish> but they are
2020-03-08T22:22:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think the solution is to make everything dumber via an increase in code size and complexity overall
2020-03-08T22:22:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> yay abstractions
2020-03-08T22:22:30 #kisslinux <perish> true
2020-03-08T22:22:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is just hiding the problem
2020-03-08T22:23:24 #kisslinux <perish> yast is a good example, it's a frontend to ZYpp, which zypper is too
2020-03-08T22:24:04 #kisslinux <perish> if we had more stuff like a unified lib and then frontends that work on top of that, it'd be neat
2020-03-08T22:24:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If only the two major GUI libraries weren't so terrible
2020-03-08T22:25:00 #kisslinux <perish> motif
2020-03-08T22:25:08 #kisslinux <perish> gah why are text faces so non-expressive
2020-03-08T22:25:26 #kisslinux <perish> nothing gives off the same feel as https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/626889569148600330.png?v=1
2020-03-08T22:26:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ._.
2020-03-08T22:26:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :|
2020-03-08T22:26:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -_-
2020-03-08T22:26:36 #kisslinux <perish> not the same energy
2020-03-08T22:26:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o_O
2020-03-08T22:26:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o_o
2020-03-08T22:26:56 #kisslinux <perish> those are shock
2020-03-08T22:27:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ,_,
2020-03-08T22:27:06 #kisslinux <perish> feelsconficted is like
2020-03-08T22:27:14 #kisslinux <perish> fuckin hell, really?
2020-03-08T22:27:21 #kisslinux <perish> in a full on british accent
2020-03-08T22:27:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Words work
2020-03-08T22:27:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :^)
2020-03-08T22:27:42 #kisslinux <perish> a picture paints a thousand words
2020-03-08T22:27:49 #kisslinux <perish> :^)
2020-03-08T22:28:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A thousand words will always take up less space though :^)
2020-03-08T22:28:57 #kisslinux <perish> not if they're really long words
2020-03-08T22:29:00 #kisslinux <perish> :^)
2020-03-08T22:29:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Unless they're really long words
2020-03-08T22:29:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I was typing that
2020-03-08T22:29:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
2020-03-08T22:30:51 #kisslinux <perish> i have found a great website
2020-03-08T22:30:55 #kisslinux <perish> https://projects.haykranen.nl/java/
2020-03-08T22:31:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That is very java
2020-03-08T22:31:41 #kisslinux <perish> ContainerTestsInterpreterModelExpressionCallbackQueuePolicyUtilsIteratorOrderOrderInstanceRequestExporterTestListenerundefinedTestsInterpreterComposerAttributeValueCandidateSetterValueAuthenticationTestFieldundefinedMapperQueueIdentifierDescriptorPredicateDescriptorContainerThreadProducerAdvisorManagerContextPrototypeMethodProxyDescriptorAnnotationPoolAuthenticationMapperProxyTestsRepositoryMapperPredicateInfoProducerInstanceDec
2020-03-08T22:31:56 #kisslinux <perish> it is
2020-03-08T22:33:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is good
2020-03-08T22:33:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> http://archive.is/zI5l0
2020-03-08T22:33:51 #kisslinux <KayW> extreme java
2020-03-08T22:34:14 #kisslinux <KayW> https://i.salejandro.me/Z0Q7MA.png oh wonderful
2020-03-08T22:34:17 #kisslinux <KayW> whatever
2020-03-08T22:34:42 #kisslinux <KayW> "403 forbidden" wonderful
2020-03-08T22:34:48 #kisslinux <perish> oh, hi kay
2020-03-08T22:34:54 #kisslinux <KayW> hi perish
2020-03-08T22:34:54 #kisslinux <perish> didn't know you were on here
2020-03-08T22:35:10 #kisslinux <KayW> I lurk, but I'm here
2020-03-08T22:35:15 #kisslinux <perish> Neat
2020-03-08T22:43:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bed for me
2020-03-08T22:57:25 #kisslinux <perish> adios