2020-11-28T01:05:27 #kisslinux <Rio6> turns out I was was missing a kernel option for usb storage
2020-11-28T02:46:00 #kisslinux <Rio6> is firefox-bin gone from the repo?
2020-11-28T03:32:44 #kisslinux <acheam> Rio6: Yes. https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/cbd962343faadd36d31623b729350c0143ee453e
2020-11-28T03:34:41 #kisslinux <Rio6> ok :|
2020-11-28T03:35:37 #kisslinux <acheam> they certainly made life easier, but for that same reason must be hard to maintain. It would be nice to see a seperate kiss-firefox repo dedicated to this... maybe a CI/CD thing
2020-11-28T03:37:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> acheam I've set up a repo which has binaries for KISS but not sure if you would be willing to trust it
2020-11-28T03:37:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Since it's all done by me manually
2020-11-28T03:40:26 #kisslinux <Rio6> I should just setup ccache
2020-11-28T03:40:47 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser[m]: ah nice. I don't use KISS enough to actually use it but im interested. Whats the link?
2020-11-28T03:42:10 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> https://github.com/git-bruh/kiss-bins
2020-11-28T03:42:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me, I need to get back to working on the Nuegia package...
2020-11-28T03:43:07 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser[m]: nice
2020-11-28T03:48:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> While on the topic of browsers, are there any lightweight browsers that don't... er... suck?
2020-11-28T03:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> in this case "suck" meaning poor or non-existent JS and improper handling of HTML and CSS rendering
2020-11-28T03:51:30 #kisslinux <acheam> if by lightweight you mean not using WebKit, WebEngine/chromium, or Gecko, then I would say none that are worth your time
2020-11-28T03:51:45 #kisslinux <acheam> either you have great support, and its heavy, or it has bad support and its light
2020-11-28T03:51:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, that's what I'm finding...
2020-11-28T03:52:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> my ideal browser would be, like... literally just NetSurf, but with a more up to date engine
2020-11-28T03:52:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I think it's more of an issue of where the web has gone
2020-11-28T03:52:48 #kisslinux <Rio6> I've heard people talking about qute browser (still webkit stuff), idk how lightweight it is
2020-11-28T03:52:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it seems like a functional browser has to be bloated by its very nature, now
2020-11-28T03:53:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I were to use a webkit browser I think it'd be Lariza
2020-11-28T03:53:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I really like the design of it. It's like a slightly more usable surf
2020-11-28T03:53:42 #kisslinux <Rio6> yeah the web itself is bloat now a days
2020-11-28T03:53:51 #kisslinux <Rio6> can't do anyt without javascript
2020-11-28T03:53:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> even basic shit :/
2020-11-28T03:54:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, why are people using JS to do something as simple as navigate between pages?
2020-11-28T03:54:43 #kisslinux <Rio6> even rendering is done by js now on lots of sites
2020-11-28T03:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's really depressing.
2020-11-28T03:55:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> not to mention that pretty much all opposition in the browser space now is controlled by google
2020-11-28T03:56:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> either through everything being chromium forks now, or just bribing the fuck out of their competitors
2020-11-28T03:56:08 #kisslinux * midfavila coughs
2020-11-28T03:56:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mozilla
2020-11-28T03:56:28 #kisslinux <acheam> Qutebrowser is nice, but its webengine (chromium) now. QtWebKit is diying a bit, and insecure as its based on an old upstream of WebKit. I really dislike the ideology of using the google engine even if its been de-googled in terms of privacy
2020-11-28T03:56:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> why don't people dig up the old Opera engine?
2020-11-28T03:57:08 #kisslinux <acheam> qutebrowser is just sooo convinient though. Would love it if QtWebKit development could pick up pace a bit so I could switch to that from web engine
2020-11-28T03:57:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's also qt
2020-11-28T03:57:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is... eh.
2020-11-28T03:57:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> but modern gtk is no better honestly.
2020-11-28T03:58:04 #kisslinux * acheam `kill -9 -1` his KDE desktop
2020-11-28T03:58:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> the k stands for kringe
2020-11-28T03:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> :p
2020-11-28T03:59:10 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2020-11-28T03:59:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> sometimes I feel like I get way too worked up over this stuff though, tbh. it'd be nice if I could be satisfied using firefox, but it gets in the way of my autistic urge to tinker
2020-11-28T04:00:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I would honestly just give up with that on a web browser unless you wanna go full Terry Davis, a modern web browser is almost an OS of its own
2020-11-28T04:00:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I'm realizing
2020-11-28T04:01:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't even really use the web much at this point
2020-11-28T04:01:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> just to check ebay and do research now and then
2020-11-28T04:02:16 #kisslinux <acheam> unfortunately i'm a bit tied to the internet. Literally have my IRC client on the right, and QuteBrowser with 10 tabs open on the left
2020-11-28T04:02:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, same
2020-11-28T04:03:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> IMs are honestly a little out of control for me, haha. i've got pidgin connected to discord, telegram, freenode, and espernet at pretty much all times
2020-11-28T04:03:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> been playing a lot of MUDs recently though.
2020-11-28T04:04:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lol nice. I just have IRC and Discord sometimes. I would setup an IRC/Discord relay but need to use a lot of Discord features beyond text
2020-11-28T04:04:06 #kisslinux <acheam> whats a MUD?
2020-11-28T04:04:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> multi-user dungeon
2020-11-28T04:04:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> think of it like a cross between an old text game, IRC, and DnD
2020-11-28T04:04:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're basically proto-MMORPGs
2020-11-28T04:05:02 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds interesting. Is it automated like a text game or run by a DM?
2020-11-28T04:05:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> no and no
2020-11-28T04:05:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, some games let you use bots
2020-11-28T04:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's heavily regulated even in those instances
2020-11-28T04:05:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's normally a sit-down-and-type-commands-in-your-terminal experience
2020-11-28T04:06:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's not really a DM either. well, except for the times there are
2020-11-28T04:06:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but most of the time it's controlled by the computer program
2020-11-28T04:06:36 #kisslinux <acheam> i see. Sounds like fun, but not the kind of thing I personally am super into
2020-11-28T04:06:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah it's not for everyone
2020-11-28T04:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just like them as time-wasters
2020-11-28T04:07:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus it's one of the few forms of entertainment that's pretty much FLOSS throughout the whole stack, so I don't even have to justify it to myself :D
2020-11-28T04:07:37 #kisslinux <Rio6> theres lots of curl muds
2020-11-28T04:07:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait, curl? as in the utility?
2020-11-28T04:07:53 #kisslinux <Rio6> oh wait
2020-11-28T04:07:56 #kisslinux <Rio6> i meant nc
2020-11-28T04:07:59 #kisslinux <Rio6> my bad
2020-11-28T04:08:05 #kisslinux <acheam> curl and netcat are both super powerful
2020-11-28T04:08:21 #kisslinux <acheam> if it works with netcat will it work with anything that can latch to a tcp socket?
2020-11-28T04:08:25 #kisslinux <Rio6> idk why but I mix curl and nc so often
2020-11-28T04:08:44 #kisslinux <acheam> there is actually a really cool curl pastebin
2020-11-28T04:08:57 #kisslinux <Rio6> i kbow there is 0x0.st
2020-11-28T04:08:59 #kisslinux <acheam> there are lots of netcat ones, but I think curl makes it cooler
2020-11-28T04:09:18 #kisslinux <Rio6> wttr.in is my favorite curl site so far
2020-11-28T04:09:40 #kisslinux <Rio6> just do curl wttr.in and you get your weather
2020-11-28T04:09:47 #kisslinux <acheam> wttr.in is nice because it has tons of options, but it doesn't scale nicely to small terminals
2020-11-28T04:10:24 #kisslinux <Rio6> I rmbr there's a small option, but forgot what it is
2020-11-28T04:11:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm I thought I couldn't find one but I will look into it
2020-11-28T04:12:11 #kisslinux <acheam> anyways 95% of the time I need to see the weather I need to see it in detail and im already on my phone
2020-11-28T04:12:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> wttr.in is cool
2020-11-28T04:12:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I normally just pull reports straight from my local METAR
2020-11-28T04:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god, you weren't kidding about wttr failing to scale
2020-11-28T04:14:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> it freaks out even with a standard 80x24 terminal
2020-11-28T04:14:41 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah you've gotta fullscreen it
2020-11-28T04:15:04 #kisslinux <acheam> at least because its curl, you don't need to re-curl it to fix it
2020-11-28T04:15:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll stick with my personal script kek
2020-11-28T04:15:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again I could probably do with turning down the font size in my xresources files
2020-11-28T04:15:49 #kisslinux <acheam> urxvt?
2020-11-28T04:15:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah
2020-11-28T04:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I normally use urxvt, but I set up a bunch of the classic X programs over the past few days
2020-11-28T04:16:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> so xmore, xman, xmessage, xfontsel, imake, etc are all packaged now
2020-11-28T04:17:10 #kisslinux <acheam> Nice
2020-11-28T04:17:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> M'hm
2020-11-28T04:17:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I actually kind of dig Xaw... it's a shame nobody really uses it
2020-11-28T04:18:04 #kisslinux <acheam> here's the wttr.in issue on small displays, looks like they are very well aware of it. https://github.com/chubin/wttr.in/issues/151
2020-11-28T04:19:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's good
2020-11-28T04:19:21 #kisslinux <acheam> just had to look up what it was lol. Honestly i'd rather things sticked to qt or gtk just because it sticks with my theming and standards, even if they suck
2020-11-28T04:20:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> I suppose. I've heard the next generation of GTK is removing theme support, though... not sure if that's actually the case or not, but I wouldn't put it past those GNOME losers
2020-11-28T04:20:36 #kisslinux <acheam> gtk5?
2020-11-28T04:20:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> 4
2020-11-28T04:20:47 #kisslinux <acheam> gtk4 isn't removing theme support
2020-11-28T04:21:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a minor relief then
2020-11-28T04:21:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm rather firmly stuck on GTK2 though, myself
2020-11-28T04:21:23 #kisslinux <acheam> why's that?
2020-11-28T04:21:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> theming and resource utilization
2020-11-28T04:21:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've tinkered with GTK3 themes before and oh my god it's such a pain
2020-11-28T04:21:52 #kisslinux <acheam> we obviously have different priorities :)
2020-11-28T04:22:00 #kisslinux <acheam> although yes, gtk3 themes are endlessly complicated
2020-11-28T04:22:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I like my GUIs to look nice :p
2020-11-28T04:22:17 #kisslinux <acheam> to the point where most of them are just copies of one another with the colors changed
2020-11-28T04:22:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I'm going to be stuck staring at it all day I want it to look the way I do
2020-11-28T04:22:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah
2020-11-28T04:22:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I've noticed
2020-11-28T04:22:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything is a clone of numix or adwaita
2020-11-28T04:22:41 #kisslinux <acheam> I rather like adwaita dark actually
2020-11-28T04:22:56 #kisslinux <acheam> although I am using aritim-dark right now which is a really nice deep blue theme
2020-11-28T04:24:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just find adwaita boring
2020-11-28T04:24:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> which, okay, not always a bad thing
2020-11-28T04:24:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but when there aren't many other options... eh
2020-11-28T04:24:41 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah it is a bit boring, but it gets the job done. Another one I really like (although does not have a qt version, which is a dealbreaker for me) is prof-dark
2020-11-28T04:24:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are some nice retro-inspired themes that I like
2020-11-28T04:25:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> someone made a set of MOTIF themes, and there's the obligatory win9x stuff
2020-11-28T04:25:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I like how KDE lets you choose colors and widget styles seperately really easily, so you can mix it up a bit
2020-11-28T04:25:35 #kisslinux <acheam> chicago95 is the only experience I have with the old themes. I really don't understand people still using WindowMaker and stuff
2020-11-28T04:26:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> I like Window Maker because it's lightweight, looks reasonably nice, and it has a unique feel
2020-11-28T04:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> also it's shockingly good for tablet PCs
2020-11-28T04:27:46 #kisslinux <acheam> lol didn't realize you use it. Makes sense with the other stuff that you have said though. Personally, I like my comforts of a desktop environment (trust me, i've been through the works with xmonad, dwm, etc) but still like tiling so I use KDE with a kwin tiling script that actually works really nicely. Never would of though about Windowmaker being good for tablets but now that I think about it it makes sense
2020-11-28T04:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I don't use Window Maker atm :p
2020-11-28T04:28:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm using FVWM
2020-11-28T04:28:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, it's great for tablets because of the large UI elements and emphasis on drag-n-drop
2020-11-28T04:28:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, I get the appeal of DEs where things just werk, but I find a lot of them really restrictive
2020-11-28T04:29:52 #kisslinux <acheam> they can be restrictive for sure (especially GNOME, budgie, DDE, cinnamon, etc) but KDE strikes a good balance IMO and more people should give it a fair shot. I have heard really good things about FVWM but never tried it. Anyways, I think that my window-manager-only days are behind me
2020-11-28T04:30:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I have to go to sleep now, see you
2020-11-28T04:30:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Alright, rest well
2020-11-28T04:30:28 #kisslinux <acheam> thank you
2020-11-28T05:45:27 #kisslinux <Rio6> binary firefox from mozilla doesn't work because of musl
2020-11-28T05:45:28 #kisslinux <Rio6> rip
2020-11-28T06:00:40 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> It probably depends on dbus and all that stuff too
2020-11-28T06:04:40 #kisslinux <Rio6> maybe it's time to explore other browsers
2020-11-28T06:05:05 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Why do you need a binary ff btw?
2020-11-28T06:10:08 #kisslinux <Rio6> cuz I dont want to compile clang + rust + ff
2020-11-28T06:10:34 #kisslinux <Rio6> the one from kiss-bin uses 50% cpu for some reason
2020-11-28T06:13:12 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Rio6  binary works fine here, do you instantly get 50% cpu usage?
2020-11-28T06:18:50 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I have normal cpu usage, 0-10% with a few tabs open
2020-11-28T07:14:02 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Opened quite a few tabs now, both RAM and CPU usage is normal. Do you see something in logs?
2020-11-28T07:14:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> (im running it in a kiss musl chroot, but i dont think that should make a difference)
2020-11-28T11:07:13 #kisslinux <lyntsune> My HP Mini 210 is hating me for trying to compile on it :x
2020-11-28T11:31:10 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Has anyone ever had `cat: -: Failed to open '-'` this come up whenever using configure scripts?
2020-11-28T11:32:01 #kisslinux * testuser[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CbCdpOXoauYSnZtkORkAfXLG/message.txt >
2020-11-28T11:58:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> testuser[m] : it also says "cannot create executeable"
2020-11-28T11:59:11 #kisslinux <claudia02> what are your CFLAGS CXXFLAGS?
2020-11-28T12:00:27 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Nah the compiler works fine, say i use CMAKE or use a pre-generated Makefile it builds
2020-11-28T12:00:39 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> tried without any CFLAGS aswell
2020-11-28T12:03:43 #kisslinux <claudia02> Just to be sure, 'cat' works as expected?
2020-11-28T12:04:01 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I mean, i can `cat` any file just fine
2020-11-28T12:04:21 #kisslinux <claudia02> Y, I meant something like this (:
2020-11-28T12:04:59 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Like libressl gave me that error, but if i use cmake to generate the makefile it works fine
2020-11-28T12:05:09 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> would a `config.log` be of any help?
2020-11-28T12:05:27 #kisslinux <dnkl> testuser[m]: does "echo 'hello' | cat -' work?
2020-11-28T12:05:53 #kisslinux <claudia02> sure: provide as many logs you can.
2020-11-28T12:07:10 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> AH
2020-11-28T12:07:24 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I did a `kiss a | kiss a -` which swapped my cat from busybox to libarchive
2020-11-28T12:07:29 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> and i didnt notice
2020-11-28T12:07:31 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> lol
2020-11-28T12:08:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> :p
2020-11-28T12:08:26 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Didn't remember since it was a few days back
2020-11-28T12:10:40 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> claudia02: btw, libarchive can be used for RAR files aswell, so p7zip can be dropped from `kiss-games`
2020-11-28T12:10:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> not sure if it works for password protected stuff though
2020-11-28T12:11:48 #kisslinux <lyntsune> Does anyone know of a repository that includes the b43 driver?
2020-11-28T12:12:23 #kisslinux <claudia02> I need p7zip to extract assets from an exe file. Srb2kart that is. Somehow they dont provide the assets seperately.
2020-11-28T12:14:30 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Ah
2020-11-28T12:16:17 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> lyntsune are you talking about this https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/b43-firmware/
2020-11-28T12:16:47 #kisslinux <lyntsune> Yes, but I can work with https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/b43-firmware-classic too.
2020-11-28T12:18:27 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I'm not aware of any such repos but should be easy to package looking at the build files
2020-11-28T12:18:54 #kisslinux <lyntsune> It is easy, I just didn't want to go through the work of doing it myself if someone already did ^^
2020-11-28T12:19:19 #kisslinux <lyntsune> I'm also not sure if it's worth it since my HP Mini 210 is about to burn down my apartment if I don't stop compiling on it.
2020-11-28T12:22:24 #kisslinux <claudia02> I put my laptop in the cold cellar when compiling bug stuff at summertime.
2020-11-28T12:22:55 #kisslinux <lyntsune> I'd need to put the Mini into a freezer ^^
2020-11-28T12:24:41 #kisslinux <lyntsune> I mean, we're talking about an Intel Atom N550 (1.6mhz dual core) and 1GB RAM after all.
2020-11-28T12:26:49 #kisslinux <claudia02> I did a port to i586 on atom n230 ;) . Build gcc in the morning and come back in the afternoon. But 2gb of ram.
2020-11-28T12:31:15 #kisslinux <claudia02> This consumer hardware is not meant to run so long time on full heat.Especially when the cooling is on the "barely enough" side.
2020-11-28T12:32:07 #kisslinux <lyntsune> I'm still surprised it runs after the 10 years I have it now.
2020-11-28T12:32:51 #kisslinux <claudia02> Do you use it for "serious" work or just play around?
2020-11-28T12:34:31 #kisslinux <lyntsune> I use it for what it is worth. I basically live in the terminal, so everything CLI works great.
2020-11-28T12:35:49 #kisslinux <lyntsune> Weechat with IRC and Matrix, note taking, fediverse via toot, programming, text browsing, everything goes.
2020-11-28T12:36:38 #kisslinux <lyntsune> If I really must, it can handle qutebrowser with 2-3 tabs. Only thing it struggles with is watching videos with mpv.
2020-11-28T12:47:38 #kisslinux <claudia02> To safe you one day of compiling, since you are using intel graphics, you can build mesa without the need of llvm. Have a look here https://www.reddit.com/r/kisslinux/comments/k1a7v4/llvm_fails_to_build_xorg/
2020-11-28T12:52:24 #kisslinux <lyntsune> claudia02: I will take this as a future reference, thank you.
2020-11-28T15:21:08 #kisslinux <Rio6> testuser[m], sorry for late reply, went to sleep last night. firefox from kiss-bin uses up to around 50% cpu when I open like 3 tabs, and then drops back down. I didn't see a pattern on what exactly causes it. It might just be the new version of firefox itself. I don't remember there's much coming from the stdout when run from command line
2020-11-28T15:28:01 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Hmm, weird
2020-11-28T15:28:19 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> i do have a small spike when starting ff but i think that's just 10-19%
2020-11-28T15:28:26 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> and just for 1 sec
2020-11-28T20:13:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=wzX6Y6kFehE
2020-11-28T20:13:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> boomer rants about how bad alsa is in the woods
2020-11-28T20:28:32 #kisslinux <acheam> excuse me if he mentioned it, I can't watch it ATM, but what do you guys think about sndio?
2020-11-28T20:29:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah, he didn't bring it up. not really familiar with sndio
2020-11-28T20:29:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've heard of it before, but that's it
2020-11-28T20:39:50 #kisslinux <deppy> hey, does anyone know if there is a arm port of kiss still being maintained?
2020-11-28T20:40:02 #kisslinux <deppy> the one linked on the k1ss.org wiki is unmaintained
2020-11-28T20:40:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> if that's the case then probably not
2020-11-28T20:40:29 #kisslinux <deppy> :c
2020-11-28T20:40:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't imagine it would be too terribly difficult to bootstrap an ARM KISS tarball though
2020-11-28T20:40:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably a lot less tedious than something like LFS too
2020-11-28T20:40:52 #kisslinux <deppy> true, but it's not for me
2020-11-28T20:40:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair.
2020-11-28T20:41:01 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I would take on the challenge of it if I had some arm hardware to play with
2020-11-28T20:41:08 #kisslinux <deppy> another person was asking about nice arm musl distros
2020-11-28T20:41:12 #kisslinux <deppy> so like, literally not for me
2020-11-28T20:41:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Definitely fair, then
2020-11-28T20:41:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think Alpine has ARM support
2020-11-28T20:41:46 #kisslinux <acheam> it does
2020-11-28T20:41:46 #kisslinux <deppy> yeah, alpine supports a lot of stuff
2020-11-28T20:41:50 #kisslinux <deppy> probably the best choice
2020-11-28T20:41:54 #kisslinux <deppy> cheers!
2020-11-28T20:41:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to use Alpine on my laptop. Wasn't too bad, although definitely strange compared to a more "standard" distro
2020-11-28T20:42:31 #kisslinux <acheam> alpine is nice but the repos really suck IMO, and unlike KISS, its difficult to package for
2020-11-28T20:42:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah.
2020-11-28T20:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's probably the best part of KISS
2020-11-28T20:42:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like, stupidly easy to package stuff
2020-11-28T20:43:07 #kisslinux <Rio6> I just learned yesterday that postmarketos is alpine based
2020-11-28T20:43:11 #kisslinux <acheam> yep, doesn't matter if the repos are (intentionally) small, just make a personal repo
2020-11-28T20:43:18 #kisslinux <acheam> Rio6: huh I didn't know that
2020-11-28T20:43:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> M'hm
2020-11-28T20:43:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> which reminds me, I should probably set up a binary distro for myself... is kiss-bin still a thing?
2020-11-28T20:43:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/distro/repo/
2020-11-28T20:43:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> fml
2020-11-28T20:44:35 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser[m] has this one: https://github.com/git-bruh/kiss-bins
2020-11-28T20:45:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll probably steal Rust and LLVM from it
2020-11-28T20:49:56 #kisslinux <Rio6> does busybox man output ESC[1m for anyone else?
2020-11-28T20:50:57 #kisslinux <Rio6> (if anyone uses busybox man)
2020-11-28T20:51:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> I didn't even realize busybox could provide man
2020-11-28T20:51:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-11-28T20:51:48 #kisslinux <micr0> dilyn: libbytesize/build has a typo
2020-11-28T20:51:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just using mandoc
2020-11-28T20:59:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Heeeeeey, yash isn't fucky any more
2020-11-28T20:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> Based
2020-11-28T20:59:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> muevoid: iirc you asked about krita deps, this is what you need http://ix.io/2FQh
2020-11-28T21:06:04 #kisslinux <Rio6> that's a long list XD
2020-11-28T21:08:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's form a base KISS install xD
2020-11-28T21:08:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> so that's 90 deps, most of which you're bound to already have
2020-11-28T21:10:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> even smaller if you already have something like falkon and mpv installed. it's basically just some kde frameworks deps and math libs
2020-11-28T22:59:52 #kisslinux <Rio6> busybox man is surprisingly easier to configure than mandoc
2020-11-28T23:00:11 #kisslinux <Rio6> as it mostly use the same config format as man-db
2020-11-28T23:00:39 #kisslinux <Rio6> and I can specify sh -c "fancy pipe stuff" as a pager
2020-11-28T23:01:00 #kisslinux <Rio6> mandoc I need to make a wrapper script for that
2020-11-28T23:01:52 #kisslinux <acheam> lol i've literally never put more thought into man than `man <whatever>`
2020-11-28T23:03:39 #kisslinux <Rio6> I use vim as pager, and I can use short cut to jump between man pages as I read
2020-11-28T23:03:55 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting, i should look into that
2020-11-28T23:06:25 #kisslinux <Rio6> col -b -x | vim -R -c 'set ft=man keywordprg=:Man nomod nonumber wrap breakindent linebreak' -
2020-11-28T23:06:35 #kisslinux <Rio6> is what I use currently
2020-11-28T23:07:31 #kisslinux <Rio6> I switched to mandoc in the end tho, so it'll need a wrapper script
2020-11-28T23:07:43 #kisslinux <Rio6> because mandoc can specify section
2020-11-28T23:10:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of mandoc config
2020-11-28T23:10:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you guys know how to set it to dynamically adjust its width?
2020-11-28T23:13:55 #kisslinux <Rio6> not sure
2020-11-28T23:14:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll have to keep looking then...
2020-11-28T23:14:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm positive you can, 'cuz other distros I don't recall ever having this issue
2020-11-28T23:14:53 #kisslinux <Rio6> I set up vim to wrap the lines so I can still see the text when I resize
2020-11-28T23:15:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> Line wrapping, ofc
2020-11-28T23:15:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> how did I not think of that
2020-11-28T23:15:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta peek in my options...
2020-11-28T23:16:28 #kisslinux <Rio6> doesn't look as nice, but it's better than lines getting cut off
2020-11-28T23:18:25 #kisslinux <Rio6> (tbh I forgot how less handle resize)
2020-11-28T23:18:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's on by default with mine
2020-11-28T23:19:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but for some reason when man invokes less, it doesn't wrap
2020-11-28T23:19:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> :/
2020-11-28T23:37:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Huzzah
2020-11-28T23:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Found a trick that works
2020-11-28T23:38:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> You can use `tput cols` as the value for the -O width= argument to set the width of a manpage on invocation
2020-11-28T23:39:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> example command could be alias man="man -O width=`tput cols`"