2021-02-14T02:19:20 #kisslinux <Rio6> just tried toybox as busybox alternative, but kiss doesn't seem to work with its sh
2021-02-14T03:28:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> toybox implements at most 20% of what's needed for a full set of required and posix-conforming utils, so no surprise there
2021-02-14T03:31:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> that's not really the issue here though, it's sh impl is not complete at all yet
2021-02-14T03:31:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> that's why it's in the "pending" directory
2021-02-14T03:33:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> like of the commands it has that are considered "complete" there's not that much busybox has that I find myself missing with toybox (awk is a big exception)
2021-02-14T03:33:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well yeah, it's "true" and "false" are probably complete...
2021-02-14T03:34:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean anything outside of pending
2021-02-14T03:35:45 #kisslinux <E5ten> aside from awk and sh, what commands do you use that busybox has and toybox doesn't have/is missing necessary functionality?
2021-02-14T03:36:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> (obviously only count missing necessary functionality if busybox has it)
2021-02-14T03:36:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the most important ones are sed, grep, cut, tr etc - stuff that one typically uses from shell scripts
2021-02-14T03:38:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but yeah, awk and sh are the biggies
2021-02-14T03:38:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> all of those are toybox on my system
2021-02-14T03:39:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> does it have fully conforming [ / test ?
2021-02-14T03:39:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't know, cuz most shells have test as a builtin so it doesn't end up getting used
2021-02-14T03:40:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> iirc it had an issue with test (only when invoked as [) but I think that got resolved recently,
2021-02-14T03:40:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> s/,$//
2021-02-14T03:40:53 #kisslinux <kissbot> <E5ten> iirc it had an issue with test (only when invoked as [) but I think that got resolved recently
2021-02-14T03:42:09 #kisslinux <E5ten> the issue was nothing to do with the impl, just that it couldn't be invoked as [ because of some issue with what it does to invoke commands based on what it's called as
2021-02-14T03:42:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i see. so it makes actually some progress, albeit slowly
2021-02-14T03:43:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i recently talked with landley about his shell impl and he was like "i want to make it a bash replacement, not a posix sh"
2021-02-14T03:44:20 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah, if he ends up pulling it off that'll be awesome (afaik there isn't an existing bash-compatible shell)
2021-02-14T03:45:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> posix sh is already a herculean effort, but bash...
2021-02-14T03:45:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> I use dash for sh anyway cuz it's significantly faster than ash, and I use mawk instead of awk (at least until toybox gets an awk and it fits my needs)
2021-02-14T03:45:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *nod*
2021-02-14T03:48:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh wait there is one thing it's missing that it should have, its expr is broken (which is needed for anything using autotools), there's a fix that I apply to my build so it works, but he hasn't added it because he intends to completely reimplement it using the math infra in his shell impl
2021-02-14T03:48:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> imo he should just fix it until he does that but whatever I guess lol, not a big deal to just keep the patch around until then
2021-02-14T03:50:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if it can be easily patched, that's already something...
2021-02-14T03:51:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> most of the stuff that's still in pending isn't POSIX stuff, and for the POSIX stuff that is there and I haven't already mentioned (dd, bc, tr, probably a few others) I haven't really had problems, so they're probably already complete aside from him going over them to clean them up
2021-02-14T03:52:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> (a lot of the stuff in pending is contributions from other people, so landley always does an in-depth cleanup pass over them before promoting them out of there)
2021-02-14T04:17:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-14T04:27:38 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-02-14T09:47:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> http://k1ss.org/ ded
2021-02-14T09:48:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> ooof
2021-02-14T09:49:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> are we buying up the domain?
2021-02-14T09:49:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gh pages died too 185.199.111.153
2021-02-14T09:49:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> @freenode_necromansy:matrix.org when it's up for sale
2021-02-14T09:50:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah aight
2021-02-14T11:29:19 #kisslinux <konimex> alright, looking at the conversations from back in the day, if KISS keeps a "centralized" path, I don't think moving from github would be an ideal path (especially if we're anticipating dylan's own comeback)
2021-02-14T11:35:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> konimex: what do you mean by centralized path?
2021-02-14T11:36:34 #kisslinux <konimex> testuser_: there was a talk in early February about moving away from github to a self-hosted solution depending to a poll in the future, iirc
2021-02-14T11:37:18 #kisslinux <konimex> looking at the backlogs, I guess "centralized" here means relying solely on third-party for remote repo
2021-02-14T11:37:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-02-14T11:55:38 #kisslinux <tracer> selfhosting is always better than being depend, besides that GitHub is pwned by MS.
2021-02-14T13:46:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-02-14T15:35:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: can i merge my PR on awesome-kiss?
2021-02-14T15:35:53 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi. So, my KDE is running, with kf5 5.79. But, it looks like Falkon is dead. last release is from 2019, the GH repo is not very active. Are there other QT based options?
2021-02-14T15:36:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> qutebrowser?
2021-02-14T15:37:15 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  merged! Sorry for not seeing it earlier, I had notifications off on the repo
2021-02-14T15:37:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no problem
2021-02-14T15:38:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tracer: it was in community but dropped, had updated builds and built qutebrowser but it was quite messy to package deps cuz Python
2021-02-14T15:38:14 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  Feel free to merge something like that yourself as long as its not totally radical and without any discussion :)
2021-02-14T15:38:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i don't have the nee build files either now sadly
2021-02-14T15:38:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> newZ
2021-02-14T15:38:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> newZ
2021-02-14T15:38:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> new* lol
2021-02-14T15:38:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: sure
2021-02-14T15:42:35 #kisslinux <tracer> Hmm, OK, i just glimpsed through the wiki pages for qutebrowser, Dooble and Otter. I guess I'll chose one of them, Falkon 3.1 doesn't build on current KDE.
2021-02-14T15:42:53 #kisslinux <eris> Hi all! Long time no see.
2021-02-14T15:43:12 #kisslinux <tracer> hi eris
2021-02-14T15:43:14 #kisslinux <eris> Was wondering if anyone's heard from Dylan, he appears to have been missing for a long time...
2021-02-14T15:43:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No word from him, I'm sadly starting to doubt that he's gonna come back
2021-02-14T15:43:59 #kisslinux <eris> Ah
2021-02-14T15:44:04 #kisslinux <tracer> No, no one heard of him for about two months.
2021-02-14T15:44:06 #kisslinux <eris> Was it sudden?
2021-02-14T15:44:16 #kisslinux <eris> It is quite worrying
2021-02-14T15:44:19 #kisslinux <eris> I hope he's ok
2021-02-14T15:44:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah last commit on 27 nov then disappeared
2021-02-14T15:44:47 #kisslinux <eris> Ouch
2021-02-14T15:45:02 #kisslinux <eris> Are there any altnernative main repos and community repos?
2021-02-14T15:45:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I hope he's fine IRL
2021-02-14T15:45:06 #kisslinux <eris> Ay
2021-02-14T15:45:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> check kiss-community on gh
2021-02-14T15:45:14 #kisslinux <eris> Or do I have to take it into my own hands, haha
2021-02-14T15:45:39 #kisslinux <acheam> github.com/kiss-community
2021-02-14T15:45:48 #kisslinux <eris> Oh cool! I'm on 'awesome-kiss'
2021-02-14T15:46:11 #kisslinux <eris> Wish it was kiss-all rather than just kiss-xfce4, haha
2021-02-14T15:46:53 #kisslinux <eris> That one is somewhat more up to date
2021-02-14T15:47:03 #kisslinux <eris> Haven't really been working on it, though
2021-02-14T15:47:10 #kisslinux <eris> I've been gripped with other endevaours
2021-02-14T15:47:35 #kisslinux <acheam> eris:  make a PR
2021-02-14T15:47:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait you're periish?
2021-02-14T15:49:21 #kisslinux <eris> I am!
2021-02-14T15:49:40 #kisslinux <eris> You'll notice 'periish' is a mispelling of 'perish'
2021-02-14T15:49:56 #kisslinux <eris> which is 'eris' but with a p on one end and h on the other
2021-02-14T15:50:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Ah
2021-02-14T15:51:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw weren't you aware of these repos already ? I saw you comment once on the electron tracking issue regarding flatpak
2021-02-14T15:52:16 #kisslinux <eris> Somewhat
2021-02-14T15:52:26 #kisslinux <eris> Wasn't aware of the main repo
2021-02-14T15:52:50 #kisslinux <eris> Hallo vaukai!
2021-02-14T15:52:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-02-14T15:53:23 #kisslinux <eris> Anything exciting happen in the KISS community?
2021-02-14T15:53:58 #kisslinux <eris> Other than the establishment of a community main and community repo
2021-02-14T15:53:59 #kisslinux <eris> Haha
2021-02-14T15:54:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Not really exciting but we dropped a ton of packages from community 1-2 days back
2021-02-14T15:54:18 #kisslinux <acheam> We should now be elligible to request the subreddit via r/redditrequest. Who wants to mod it? (not a big commitment at all)
2021-02-14T15:54:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ~40-50
2021-02-14T15:54:43 #kisslinux <eris> I'm not a redditor so sadly I can't help
2021-02-14T15:54:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Same
2021-02-14T15:54:49 #kisslinux <acheam> neither am I
2021-02-14T15:54:51 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-14T15:54:54 #kisslinux <eris> Haha
2021-02-14T15:55:04 #kisslinux <eris> It's nice not being a redditor, honestly
2021-02-14T15:55:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> also, k1ss.org is dead
2021-02-14T15:55:15 #kisslinux <acheam> Yep, I quit a few weeks ago
2021-02-14T15:55:19 #kisslinux <acheam> Maybe mmatongo would do it
2021-02-14T15:55:23 #kisslinux <acheam> are they on IRC?
2021-02-14T15:55:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no i don't think so
2021-02-14T15:55:31 #kisslinux <eris> I recall seeing them here in my time
2021-02-14T15:55:33 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  yeah, not much we can do unfortunately
2021-02-14T15:55:36 #kisslinux <eris> iirc
2021-02-14T15:55:42 #kisslinux <eris> I have a poor memory though
2021-02-14T15:55:46 #kisslinux <eris> Don't trust my account
2021-02-14T15:55:51 #kisslinux <eris> I think they were a matrix user?
2021-02-14T15:55:55 #kisslinux <acheam> GitHub needs a DM feature lol
2021-02-14T15:55:58 #kisslinux <eris> with the [m]
2021-02-14T15:56:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> eris: None of that was exciting but there were some talks of making a BSD port of KISS few weeks back
2021-02-14T15:56:08 #kisslinux <eris> Ah
2021-02-14T15:56:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> none of the above*
2021-02-14T15:56:18 #kisslinux <eris> I think BSD isn't the best platform
2021-02-14T15:56:36 #kisslinux <eris> I'd place my bets on illumos rather than BSD
2021-02-14T15:56:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and now both main and community repos are almost completely up to date
2021-02-14T15:56:46 #kisslinux <acheam> matvils:  hmmmm
2021-02-14T15:57:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ooops, sorry didn't mean to mention you
2021-02-14T15:57:19 #kisslinux <acheam> was tabbing through the M nicks to see if mmatongo was here lol
2021-02-14T15:57:31 #kisslinux <eris> Simply because most BSDs nowadays are more complex than KISS!
2021-02-14T15:57:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> another not so exciting news is that we might have to re-add gtk2 for firefox if i can't figure out why build keeps failing with the no-gtk2 patch
2021-02-14T15:57:37 #kisslinux <eris> Oh dear
2021-02-14T15:57:37 #kisslinux <acheam> Should I host a mirror of the KISS website on my server?
2021-02-14T15:58:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> How will we advertise it without having access to k1ss.org first though
2021-02-14T15:58:39 #kisslinux <eris> That'd be... difficult
2021-02-14T15:59:16 #kisslinux <acheam> It would just be for our internal use. ANd I can put the link on the kiss-community GH
2021-02-14T15:59:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i hope the domain doesn't go too expensive during that auction thing
2021-02-14T15:59:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think it will
2021-02-14T15:59:54 #kisslinux <acheam> But who knows
2021-02-14T15:59:58 #kisslinux <eris> Mhm
2021-02-14T16:01:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Why not just buy a new one? k1ss was not the smartest thing IMO. getkiss was ok for me, but in one language it was kinda strange.
2021-02-14T16:01:35 #kisslinux <tracer> How about kisslinux with some available and not too expensive domain?
2021-02-14T16:02:08 #kisslinux <eris> Sounds good to me
2021-02-14T16:02:12 #kisslinux <tracer> even the org is available.
2021-02-14T16:02:14 #kisslinux <eris> maybe neocities! lol
2021-02-14T16:02:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> we need k1ss.org because we cant notify any new users about new repos
2021-02-14T16:02:39 #kisslinux <tracer> testuser_[m]: just announce it on reddit and people will find the way.
2021-02-14T16:02:55 #kisslinux <eris> Sadly not all kiss users use reddit
2021-02-14T16:03:11 #kisslinux <tracer> Google will find the information, I'm sure :)
2021-02-14T16:03:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> like no one's gonna go through gh issues and hopefully stumble over the one about repo-community
2021-02-14T16:03:26 #kisslinux <eris> I stumbled upon this via github
2021-02-14T16:03:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they'll just think that it's a dead project
2021-02-14T16:03:41 #kisslinux <eris> but that's because i use github
2021-02-14T16:03:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> eris: I mean a lot of peoppe won't bother checking issues
2021-02-14T16:03:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> people*
2021-02-14T16:03:49 #kisslinux <eris> not really evidently though ^^'
2021-02-14T16:03:55 #kisslinux <eris> hi dilyn!
2021-02-14T16:03:59 #kisslinux <eris> long time no see
2021-02-14T16:04:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> eris: Is the comfies discord still alive?
2021-02-14T16:05:29 #kisslinux <eris> No clue
2021-02-14T16:05:31 #kisslinux <eris> Left it
2021-02-14T16:05:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> hi eris: :)
2021-02-14T16:05:48 #kisslinux <eris> Excusing homophobia wasn't fun :/
2021-02-14T16:05:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can mod the subreddit (catching up on logs)
2021-02-14T16:06:07 #kisslinux <acheam> Great, dilyn
2021-02-14T16:06:14 #kisslinux <acheam> Just make a post at r/redditrequest
2021-02-14T16:06:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would be taking over r/kisslinux yes? that would be perfecto
2021-02-14T16:06:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> eris: Oh, i wasn't aware of that. Thought you left after the new rules thing
2021-02-14T16:06:57 #kisslinux <acheam> yep dilyn
2021-02-14T16:07:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten: toybox needs depmod!
2021-02-14T16:07:06 #kisslinux <acheam> what is this Discord?
2021-02-14T16:07:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/comfies
2021-02-14T16:07:33 #kisslinux <eris> What new rules thing?
2021-02-14T16:07:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they were making it private or something and removed most of the channels
2021-02-14T16:07:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess you left earlier?
2021-02-14T16:08:06 #kisslinux <eris> Ah
2021-02-14T16:08:07 #kisslinux <eris> yea
2021-02-14T16:08:10 #kisslinux <eris> Way earlier
2021-02-14T16:09:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> They still have their Matrix which is pretty inactive too, just found it few days back
2021-02-14T16:09:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> guess I'll leave, didn't know about that homophobia stuff
2021-02-14T16:10:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> anyways, what have you been upto eris?
2021-02-14T16:12:06 #kisslinux <eris> Forth stuff!
2021-02-14T16:12:10 #kisslinux <eris> And toki pona stuff, too
2021-02-14T16:12:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cool!
2021-02-14T16:13:23 #kisslinux <eris> It's been fun
2021-02-14T16:14:45 #kisslinux <konimex> <tracer "selfhosting is always better tha"> for personal projects, I'd say yes, but for a "community project", I don't necessarily agree
2021-02-14T16:15:10 #kisslinux <konimex> github's ownership aside
2021-02-14T16:15:34 #kisslinux <eris> Selfhosting is somewhat inaccessible, sadly
2021-02-14T16:15:38 #kisslinux <Rio6> host kiss website with kiss ;)
2021-02-14T16:15:52 #kisslinux <eris> It's why I use protonmail for my mail provider
2021-02-14T16:16:01 #kisslinux <tracer> konimex: why not? Could you image KDE without own infrastructure? Only with a GH repo?
2021-02-14T16:16:20 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-02-14T16:16:20 #kisslinux <tracer> why inacesible?
2021-02-14T16:16:25 #kisslinux <eris> Money!
2021-02-14T16:16:31 #kisslinux <eris> Not everyone can afford to self host
2021-02-14T16:16:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> kde is a huge project, kiss in its infancy
2021-02-14T16:16:33 #kisslinux <acheam> Debian, KDE, freedesktop.org are all good examples
2021-02-14T16:16:36 #kisslinux <konimex> tracer: KDE is a big organization backed by corporate, they can afford their own infrastructure, KISS is a small project
2021-02-14T16:16:40 #kisslinux <eris> Mhm
2021-02-14T16:16:47 #kisslinux <eris> Sadly none of us are millionaires
2021-02-14T16:16:49 #kisslinux <acheam> We have volunteers willing to donate hardware
2021-02-14T16:16:56 #kisslinux <tracer> money is no point, I can sponsor traffic and space in a DC with gigabit.
2021-02-14T16:17:00 #kisslinux <acheam> Because of the small size, the hosting needs are small as well
2021-02-14T16:17:03 #kisslinux <konimex> but who will control the hardware and the access?
2021-02-14T16:17:10 #kisslinux <konimex> that's what I don't necessarily trust
2021-02-14T16:17:20 #kisslinux <eris> KISS isn't a commitee project
2021-02-14T16:17:25 #kisslinux <eris> Debian, freedesktop and KDE are
2021-02-14T16:17:35 #kisslinux <Rio6> if there's a way to make a "bus factor of 0"
2021-02-14T16:17:37 #kisslinux <eris> It's reflected in their design choices ;)
2021-02-14T16:17:46 #kisslinux <eris> I find KISS is at bus factor 0 now
2021-02-14T16:17:56 #kisslinux <eris> Or well
2021-02-14T16:18:06 #kisslinux <eris> Bus factor Github + all kiss users
2021-02-14T16:18:11 #kisslinux <tracer> Someone must have the head on if Dylan wonÄt come back. He has to decide who will be an admin fpr the infrastructure.
2021-02-14T16:18:21 #kisslinux <eris> so, bus factor microsoft!
2021-02-14T16:18:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Rio6: I'm actually running KISS on my server lol
2021-02-14T16:18:37 #kisslinux <eris> To kill KISS, you'd have to kill Microsoft. That's a fun thought!
2021-02-14T16:18:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> We could selfhost + mirror to github
2021-02-14T16:18:54 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-02-14T16:19:01 #kisslinux <konimex> dylan did the reverse though
2021-02-14T16:19:01 #kisslinux <Rio6> I'd imagine running simple server would be easier to setup than graphical desktop
2021-02-14T16:19:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> avoids the whole 'who has access to hardware' problem
2021-02-14T16:19:12 #kisslinux <konimex> github + mirror to self host
2021-02-14T16:19:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah mirror is a good idea
2021-02-14T16:19:30 #kisslinux <acheam> The most important part: Issues and PRs were not mirrored
2021-02-14T16:19:34 #kisslinux <eris> the dylan solution of github as main and mirror to self host is the better solution to hw stuff, imo
2021-02-14T16:19:51 #kisslinux <acheam> But on GH you can't export issues and PRs which is really important IMO
2021-02-14T16:19:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhm
2021-02-14T16:19:58 #kisslinux <eris> Sadly so
2021-02-14T16:20:05 #kisslinux <eris> There's no perfect solution here really
2021-02-14T16:20:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but then what would be the point of self hosting if everyone sent issues and PRs on gh
2021-02-14T16:20:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you can, there's an API
2021-02-14T16:20:07 #kisslinux <acheam> Even if you go with a centraliized platform, choose one that supports open standards
2021-02-14T16:20:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-14T16:20:14 #kisslinux <acheam> We could use Codeberg or sr.ht for example
2021-02-14T16:20:29 #kisslinux <acheam> Which are centralized and hosted for us, but support opennes and KISS values
2021-02-14T16:20:33 #kisslinux <konimex> I really don't want to move to sr.ht, something about ddevault reminds me of... Poettering, really
2021-02-14T16:20:37 #kisslinux <Rio6> ~back to sending patches through mailing list~
2021-02-14T16:20:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm. reddit.com is busted on chromium, but old.reddit.com works just fine. rip
2021-02-14T16:20:52 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm currently only with one eye in the chat, my KDE is running, but PAM kocked my screen :-) Try to fix it. But, if thats relevant, i can sponsor a vServer with enough power for a webserver, gitea und mail infrastructure.
2021-02-14T16:20:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> we could just transition to sneaker net and disappear from the internet
2021-02-14T16:21:05 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks tracer
2021-02-14T16:21:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what happened now to this cursed browser dilyn
2021-02-14T16:21:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I can also donate compute
2021-02-14T16:21:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's reddit that sucks
2021-02-14T16:21:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> some elements on the page just don't respond is all :X
2021-02-14T16:21:22 #kisslinux <eris> And chromium.....
2021-02-14T16:21:25 #kisslinux <eris> Both suck !
2021-02-14T16:21:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> sha4rm: fax
2021-02-14T16:21:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since their new UI i'ts slow as hell
2021-02-14T16:21:42 #kisslinux <acheam> Honestly, Rio6 I think a mailing list workflow would work super well for kiss
2021-02-14T16:21:53 #kisslinux <eris> I've only used one mailing list
2021-02-14T16:21:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I use teddit as a frontend its really nice... based on the old reddit open source code
2021-02-14T16:22:01 #kisslinux <eris> No clue how they work and I'm not inclined to use it
2021-02-14T16:22:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah teddit is great
2021-02-14T16:22:05 #kisslinux <Rio6> I wish gitea has cross-host pull request. Or does it have it already?
2021-02-14T16:22:06 #kisslinux <konimex> super well, unless you're using proton, I guess
2021-02-14T16:22:11 #kisslinux <acheam> Rio6:  it does not
2021-02-14T16:22:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and every 4 comments you gotta click "load more"
2021-02-14T16:22:21 #kisslinux <eris> Wack
2021-02-14T16:22:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and it takes another minute
2021-02-14T16:22:24 #kisslinux <konimex> or we can just move to Fossil VCS
2021-02-14T16:22:32 #kisslinux <eris> Fossil is funky
2021-02-14T16:22:36 #kisslinux <acheam> Fossil would work well too
2021-02-14T16:22:39 #kisslinux <konimex> PR/issue problem solved
2021-02-14T16:22:41 #kisslinux <eris> We could do a 9front!
2021-02-14T16:22:45 #kisslinux <eris> Move to hg
2021-02-14T16:22:54 #kisslinux <acheam> Hg doesn't really fix any of our problems
2021-02-14T16:22:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> which will switch to rust soon
2021-02-14T16:22:58 #kisslinux <konimex> hg is a bad juju
2021-02-14T16:23:05 #kisslinux <acheam> But Fossil is actually a great idea
2021-02-14T16:23:07 #kisslinux <Rio6> p2p git when
2021-02-14T16:23:12 #kisslinux <eris> now!
2021-02-14T16:23:18 #kisslinux <acheam> fossil does introduce a new brrier of entry though
2021-02-14T16:23:19 #kisslinux <eris> git can do it shittily
2021-02-14T16:23:30 #kisslinux <eris> What barrier to entry is fossil's?
2021-02-14T16:23:36 #kisslinux <acheam> learning somehting new
2021-02-14T16:23:42 #kisslinux <eris> Ah
2021-02-14T16:23:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I bet by abusing git remotes, you could make a p2p git
2021-02-14T16:23:58 #kisslinux <eris> You can
2021-02-14T16:24:06 #kisslinux <konimex> we have to consider if dylan (ever) comes back, would he want to basically use any other infrastructure you guys provided, since iirc he prefers to control access himself
2021-02-14T16:24:14 #kisslinux <eris> I had someone argue to me that git is a blockchain because of remotes
2021-02-14T16:24:34 #kisslinux <eris> Definitely up there in terms of strange discussions
2021-02-14T16:24:48 #kisslinux <Rio6> it does feel like a block chain tbh, with all the commit hash stuff
2021-02-14T16:25:00 #kisslinux <eris> And that's counting discussions with C defense ;)
2021-02-14T16:25:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm actually thinking that fossil would be incredibly good for KISS now
2021-02-14T16:25:19 #kisslinux <eris> Sadly I've been in far too many of those
2021-02-14T16:25:26 #kisslinux <eris> I've never used Fossil
2021-02-14T16:25:31 #kisslinux <eris> Is it as arcane as git?
2021-02-14T16:25:36 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-02-14T16:25:38 #kisslinux <Rio6> never heard of fossil
2021-02-14T16:25:39 #kisslinux <acheam> created in 2007
2021-02-14T16:25:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what would be the advantage of fossil
2021-02-14T16:25:44 #kisslinux <acheam> https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki
2021-02-14T16:25:46 #kisslinux <eris> SQLite's SCM
2021-02-14T16:25:59 #kisslinux <eris> Optimised for their usecase
2021-02-14T16:26:10 #kisslinux <eris> It's effectively github in a single binary
2021-02-14T16:26:16 #kisslinux <eris> But with a different VCS
2021-02-14T16:26:17 #kisslinux <acheam> advantage would be: communications, bug tracking, code hosting, etc all in one, easy to distribute and scale system
2021-02-14T16:26:23 #kisslinux <eris> Mhm
2021-02-14T16:26:35 #kisslinux <eris> Does it have CI of some sort that we can tack shellcheck onto?
2021-02-14T16:26:40 #kisslinux <konimex> as long as it doesn't use mailing list i guess
2021-02-14T16:26:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there's also git-issue and others which allow to put the bugtracker inside the git repo
2021-02-14T16:26:51 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex:  it doesn't
2021-02-14T16:26:54 #kisslinux <acheam> eris:  no
2021-02-14T16:26:55 #kisslinux <Rio6> i like that one
2021-02-14T16:26:56 #kisslinux <tracer> What are the benefits over gitea?
2021-02-14T16:27:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they sprouted like mushrooms after the youtube-dl takedown
2021-02-14T16:27:09 #kisslinux <Rio6> XD
2021-02-14T16:27:17 #kisslinux <eris> Additionally, are altneratives to shellcheck that we could tack on additionally?
2021-02-14T16:27:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i don't think there's any alternatives
2021-02-14T16:27:33 #kisslinux <eris> My mind jumps to modernish but it doesn't serve as a test suite for anything other than the shell itself
2021-02-14T16:27:46 #kisslinux <eris> I recall a go shell that could verify correctness, afaik
2021-02-14T16:27:50 #kisslinux <konimex> iirc debian has an internal bashism check script but it's a pain to read
2021-02-14T16:28:04 #kisslinux <eris> Which'd remove a dependence on a haskell binary being provided to us
2021-02-14T16:28:25 #kisslinux <eris> ess haskell is always better
2021-02-14T16:28:25 #kisslinux <konimex> though it only checks for bashism and not general shell checking provided by shellcheck
2021-02-14T16:28:31 #kisslinux <eris> *less
2021-02-14T16:29:30 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer:  bug tracking, etc is integrated into fossil, insted of being handled by gitea
2021-02-14T16:29:47 #kisslinux <acheam> https://www.fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/fossil-v-git.wiki
2021-02-14T16:29:54 #kisslinux <eris> This means that you aren't glued to one VCS provider
2021-02-14T16:30:01 #kisslinux <konimex> does fossil even have a webinterface?
2021-02-14T16:30:04 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-02-14T16:30:07 #kisslinux <acheam> its built in
2021-02-14T16:30:10 #kisslinux <eris> Mhm!
2021-02-14T16:30:18 #kisslinux <eris> Integrated into the single binary
2021-02-14T16:30:29 #kisslinux <tracer> thy acheam, I'll have a look at it when I'm done with my PAM issue.
2021-02-14T16:30:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> fossil isn't gpl so i support this change :v
2021-02-14T16:30:38 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-14T16:30:59 #kisslinux <konimex> as long as fossil doesn't require gnu shenanigans then it's fine
2021-02-14T16:31:03 #kisslinux <tracer> what licence does it use?
2021-02-14T16:31:14 #kisslinux <kyao> a question.. who will continue working on the kiss package managerß or is it considered 'finished'
2021-02-14T16:31:17 #kisslinux <acheam> 2 clause BSD, tracer
2021-02-14T16:31:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/COPYRIGHT-BSD2.txt
2021-02-14T16:31:27 #kisslinux <eris> I feel KISS was finished a while ago
2021-02-14T16:31:29 #kisslinux <Rio6> I think git-issue looks nice too
2021-02-14T16:31:32 #kisslinux <eris> the pm, that is
2021-02-14T16:31:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss is essentially complete feature-wise, but there are certainly still bugs to be unearthed
2021-02-14T16:31:49 #kisslinux <eris> Mhm!
2021-02-14T16:31:52 #kisslinux <konimex> kyao: I'd say a lot of it is finished, Dylan was actually working on a C version of it
2021-02-14T16:31:53 #kisslinux <acheam> kyao:  Its feature complete, but could be refactored to be made more portable
2021-02-14T16:31:53 #kisslinux <Rio6> there are some more things I think can be added
2021-02-14T16:32:04 #kisslinux <eris> I disagree, personally
2021-02-14T16:32:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> everyone would like the C rewrite to be finished but it'd be hard to find someone skilled as dylan
2021-02-14T16:32:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> additions to kiss should come through contrib/*
2021-02-14T16:32:12 #kisslinux <eris> I feel there's a bit too much!
2021-02-14T16:32:13 #kisslinux <Rio6> like support fifo inside package
2021-02-14T16:32:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dylan was rewriting it in C when he disappeared
2021-02-14T16:32:22 #kisslinux <eris> I didn't like the help-ext
2021-02-14T16:32:28 #kisslinux <konimex> I'd like some features to be added such as the provides system but eh
2021-02-14T16:32:32 #kisslinux <Rio6> or keeping vcs source without recloning
2021-02-14T16:32:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan was running into issues with implementing some stuff but I don't think he documented K all that nicely :X
2021-02-14T16:32:48 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm going to write o modyfied version. The dependency is bad. Today I upgraded kf5 from 78 ti .79, but kiss wasn aware which package has which version, bad with 60+ packages.
2021-02-14T16:33:00 #kisslinux <eris> The provides is def a secondary, imo
2021-02-14T16:33:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: why do you avoid gpl software that isn't gnu other than not liking the license? 🤔
2021-02-14T16:33:13 #kisslinux <eris> I feel it's better suited as a fork
2021-02-14T16:33:16 #kisslinux <eris> GPL is wack
2021-02-14T16:33:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> provides is 🅱️loat other than for a few rare packages
2021-02-14T16:33:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it almost exclusively has to do with not liking the license
2021-02-14T16:33:39 #kisslinux <eris> 'bloat' is such a shit word -_-
2021-02-14T16:33:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-14T16:33:45 #kisslinux <konimex> <testuser_[m] "provides is 🅱️loat other than f"> depends on how it should be implemented of course
2021-02-14T16:33:48 #kisslinux <acheam> huh, interesting sqlite is public domain
2021-02-14T16:33:51 #kisslinux <Rio6> libc, udev, pulse are the 2 I can think of rn
2021-02-14T16:33:58 #kisslinux <eris> if you use a cpu with a subtract instruction, you can't complain about 'bloat'
2021-02-14T16:33:58 #kisslinux <eris> smh
2021-02-14T16:34:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> what you want to just add until overflow
2021-02-14T16:34:17 #kisslinux <eris> use negate + instead smh
2021-02-14T16:34:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-14T16:34:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 🅱️loat with the emoji is said ironically
2021-02-14T16:34:38 #kisslinux <eris> I do not kid when I say this is the best approach in regards to stack machines
2021-02-14T16:34:43 #kisslinux <konimex> <Rio6 "libc, udev, pulse are the 2 I ca"> for what? the provides system?
2021-02-14T16:34:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> i use a magnet to manually flip the bits on my drives for all my file operations
2021-02-14T16:34:55 #kisslinux <eris> lol files
2021-02-14T16:34:59 #kisslinux <eris> get with the time
2021-02-14T16:35:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-02-14T16:35:10 #kisslinux <eris> its screens or flat object storage nowadays
2021-02-14T16:35:11 #kisslinux <eris> smh
2021-02-14T16:35:11 #kisslinux <Rio6> did I say 2, i meant 3. To need provides functionality
2021-02-14T16:35:25 #kisslinux <eris> flat object storage is a real neat concept tbh
2021-02-14T16:35:33 #kisslinux <eris> glad it exists, even if it's only in niche and corporate environments
2021-02-14T16:35:33 #kisslinux <Rio6> that I use at leasy
2021-02-14T16:35:41 #kisslinux <Rio6> s/leasy/least
2021-02-14T16:35:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only time i ever wished i had a provides feature was when i was trying to figure out what owned zic. but that was pretty easy to find
2021-02-14T16:35:42 #kisslinux <kissbot> <Rio6> that I use at least
2021-02-14T16:35:56 #kisslinux <konimex> I think one example would be gzip/pigz, and libc++
2021-02-14T16:36:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> the easiest way to do it is to simply ship the manifest with every package, but that adds up
2021-02-14T16:36:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> linux/manifest is 500kb for me for instance
2021-02-14T16:37:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> python is 255kb
2021-02-14T16:37:25 #kisslinux <Rio6> I has an idea with package names
2021-02-14T16:37:32 #kisslinux <konimex> honestly, with KISS' packaging format, we should take advantage of symlinks
2021-02-14T16:37:36 #kisslinux <Rio6> but feel it's not robust enough
2021-02-14T16:37:44 #kisslinux <Rio6> *had
2021-02-14T16:38:37 #kisslinux <Rio6> something like libc-musl provides libc or smth like that. Although the - would probably need to be something else
2021-02-14T16:39:26 #kisslinux <Rio6> hm symblink sounds like a good idea too
2021-02-14T16:39:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-02-14T16:39:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but with stuff like libc++ the package build file might need to be changed too so it'd get messy with the exceptions you'd have to add
2021-02-14T16:39:58 #kisslinux <konimex> testuser_: exceptions like...?
2021-02-14T16:40:19 #kisslinux <Rio6> different link flags probably
2021-02-14T16:40:37 #kisslinux <eris> I think that pigz is better than gzip in every scenario, honestly
2021-02-14T16:40:51 #kisslinux <konimex> I think for libraries specifically, the provides system shouldn't be used
2021-02-14T16:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> ideally you would just trawl through github PRs to find the manifest and show that
2021-02-14T16:41:01 #kisslinux <eris> Not the greatest of examples ^^'
2021-02-14T16:41:23 #kisslinux <tracer> acheam: That link is a comparision between git and fossil, not gitea. And it supports windows, that worse than any licence ^^
2021-02-14T16:42:20 #kisslinux <konimex> tracer: why would it be worse? who knows if someone is insane enough to make a KISS-Windows from that WinXP leak
2021-02-14T16:42:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew no please don't
2021-02-14T16:42:38 #kisslinux <Rio6> "kiss provide libc glibc" runs "ln -s glibc /var/db/kiss/repo/core/libc"
2021-02-14T16:42:41 #kisslinux <eris> Gods no
2021-02-14T16:42:56 #kisslinux <tracer> I dislike using anything from MS, and I don't trust people who do ^^
2021-02-14T16:43:09 #kisslinux <Rio6> foss windows XP fork
2021-02-14T16:43:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> cancerOS
2021-02-14T16:43:34 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm nit into gaming, so I have no need for Windows.
2021-02-14T16:43:49 #kisslinux <konimex> Rio6: unfortunately we'll have to wait until 2070s for a proper foss XP fork
2021-02-14T16:43:54 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer:  yeah I know, but fossil basically combines gitea and git, so there really is no one to one comparision
2021-02-14T16:44:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> konimex, looks so, as reactos hasn't fixed even their FAT32 code to his day
2021-02-14T16:44:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> if we want to switch from git to fossil someone should implement it as a proof of concept and document what changes would be required
2021-02-14T16:44:47 #kisslinux <tracer> acheam: ok. so, currently everybody know how to work with git/GH, so as well gitea. Will that be true for fossil?
2021-02-14T16:44:55 #kisslinux <konimex> also if possible, a git-fossil bridge
2021-02-14T16:44:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it should exist as an alternative more than a replacement tho :X
2021-02-14T16:46:13 #kisslinux <eris> I feel fossil primarily would be nice
2021-02-14T16:46:23 #kisslinux <eris> With a mirror to git
2021-02-14T16:46:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-02-14T16:46:42 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer:  the basic commands are very similar
2021-02-14T16:46:50 #kisslinux <eris> also i think that the barrier of entry isn't really a negative as fossil is way easier to learn than git
2021-02-14T16:47:00 #kisslinux <eris> I personally live in denial of most of git
2021-02-14T16:47:01 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex:  fossil has first class support for git mirrors
2021-02-14T16:47:10 #kisslinux <eris> I've never used a git branch
2021-02-14T16:47:11 #kisslinux <acheam> eris: doesnt' everyone?
2021-02-14T16:47:18 #kisslinux <eris> Not to the extent of me
2021-02-14T16:47:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> mirroring *is* easy https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/mirrortogithub.md
2021-02-14T16:47:37 #kisslinux <acheam> the barrier of entry applies to any non-github solution
2021-02-14T16:47:42 #kisslinux <konimex> well there we go
2021-02-14T16:48:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> one best way of comparison between git and fossil is to check stackexchange for how many questions about 'basic' operations there are for each
2021-02-14T16:48:11 #kisslinux <eris> I feel the barrier to entry in this case is more a rundown fence than the Berlin Wall
2021-02-14T16:48:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance, is anyone confused about how to rollback a local unpushed commit with fossil XD
2021-02-14T16:48:53 #kisslinux <acheam> Fossil is new and lean (despite its name)
2021-02-14T16:49:11 #kisslinux <eris> Whereas if we switched to CVS with a BBS interface only, and replaced all our utilities with Rust ones, we could easily reach that berlin wall aim!
2021-02-14T16:49:41 #kisslinux <acheam> exactly!
2021-02-14T16:49:43 #kisslinux <eris> or better yet, haskell coreutils
2021-02-14T16:49:57 #kisslinux <eris> i think this is a great idea. im going to get on it
2021-02-14T16:50:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew what no wtf
2021-02-14T16:50:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> stop
2021-02-14T16:50:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> eris has gone mad
2021-02-14T16:50:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> transitioning *to* fossil is probably trivial https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/inout.wiki
2021-02-14T16:51:15 #kisslinux <acheam> especially for our relatively simple repos
2021-02-14T16:52:26 #kisslinux <eris> Oops, forgot C-c closed birch!
2021-02-14T16:52:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-14T16:52:34 #kisslinux <acheam> lol.
2021-02-14T16:52:46 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm conerting repo-community to fossil just to test right now
2021-02-14T16:52:48 #kisslinux <eris> dilyn: Why, I'm perfectly sane! There's no way that having everything done through BBSes is a bad ieda
2021-02-14T16:53:02 #kisslinux <acheam> we should make it AGPL whilst were at it
2021-02-14T16:53:20 #kisslinux <eris> Let's go with the license Tizen uses
2021-02-14T16:53:25 #kisslinux <eris> for shits and giggles
2021-02-14T16:54:39 #kisslinux <acheam> repo-community converted fine
2021-02-14T16:54:46 #kisslinux <eris> That's nice
2021-02-14T16:54:48 #kisslinux <eris> Issues too?
2021-02-14T16:54:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel like I'm being made fun of
2021-02-14T16:55:19 #kisslinux <acheam> What do you mean? Do you not think that the AGPL is the superior license?
2021-02-14T16:55:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I dont see why you wouldn't love it
2021-02-14T16:55:43 #kisslinux <eris> It's not restrive enough
2021-02-14T16:56:15 #kisslinux <eris> I think we should use the 'be gay do crime', which details the fact that you can only use the software if you are simultaneously being gay and committing a crime
2021-02-14T16:56:16 #kisslinux <konimex> just add commons clause or use mongodb's AGPL fork (SSPL or whatever)
2021-02-14T16:57:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i prefer other, more obscure licenses
2021-02-14T16:57:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/benlk/misc-licenses/blob/master/schrodinger-license.md
2021-02-14T16:57:36 #kisslinux <konimex> I'd prefer JSON license though
2021-02-14T16:58:10 #kisslinux <eris> is it written in json?
2021-02-14T16:58:27 #kisslinux <konimex> eris: no, but it has one very good clause
2021-02-14T16:58:28 #kisslinux <eris> { "license" : "json" }
2021-02-14T16:58:40 #kisslinux <eris> well thats a shame
2021-02-14T16:58:54 #kisslinux <eris> see personally id like to use kiss linux for evil
2021-02-14T16:58:57 #kisslinux <eris> nefarious shit and what not
2021-02-14T16:59:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> google2.0
2021-02-14T16:59:23 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm kind of sold on fossil rn tbh
2021-02-14T16:59:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'be evil'
2021-02-14T16:59:34 #kisslinux <acheam> " The Fossil self-hosting server is a 1/24th slice VM at Linode.com hosting 65 other repositories in addition to Fossil, including some very high-traffic sites such as http://www.sqlite.org and http://system.data.sqlite.org."
2021-02-14T16:59:59 #kisslinux <eris> json-gay crimes license merger
2021-02-14T17:00:05 #kisslinux <eris> 'be gay be evil'
2021-02-14T17:00:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> we can use LANs promo code for cheap linode hosting kappa
2021-02-14T17:00:21 #kisslinux <eris> you can only use the software if you're actively being evil
2021-02-14T17:00:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you ask any of my exes, i'd never stop being allowed to use it
2021-02-14T17:01:47 #kisslinux <eris> but are you gay? thats the big criteria honestly
2021-02-14T17:01:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm like, a quarter gay
2021-02-14T17:02:01 #kisslinux <eris> thats fair
2021-02-14T17:02:05 #kisslinux <eris> enjoy kiss linux
2021-02-14T17:02:07 #kisslinux <acheam> thats good enough for me
2021-02-14T17:02:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> fk yh
2021-02-14T17:04:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay so fossil seems to be one-to-one enough with git that a transition to fossil is easy so if we *wanted to* we could switch entirely with basically no change to kiss...
2021-02-14T17:04:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> at a minimum we need to mirror to github (as established, also easy)
2021-02-14T17:04:45 #kisslinux <eris> mhm
2021-02-14T17:05:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> so we're left to establish who's hosting what where
2021-02-14T17:05:32 #kisslinux <eris> Ay
2021-02-14T17:06:12 #kisslinux <acheam> Fossil takes almost nothing to host
2021-02-14T17:06:17 #kisslinux <acheam> so that wouldn't be an issue
2021-02-14T17:06:23 #kisslinux <konimex> how does submodule work in fossil?
2021-02-14T17:06:25 #kisslinux <acheam> and its super decentralized so the server isn't that important
2021-02-14T17:06:34 #kisslinux <Rio6> using fossil would mean forking and PRing on github is harder?
2021-02-14T17:07:10 #kisslinux <Rio6> unless I can make PR equivalent on fossile from other git services
2021-02-14T17:07:30 #kisslinux <acheam> Rio6:  PR's wouldn't be a thing, you post a patch to the forum on Fossil
2021-02-14T17:07:43 #kisslinux <acheam> as far as I understand it
2021-02-14T17:08:09 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex:  not sure if there is submodule functionality, but that wouldn't affect the KISS repos AFAIK
2021-02-14T17:08:25 #kisslinux <konimex> I just forgot one detail, kiss (the package manager) is practically tied to git so how would we work with fossil?
2021-02-14T17:08:44 #kisslinux <konimex> in case of updates, etc
2021-02-14T17:08:52 #kisslinux <konimex> just add the commands for fossil?
2021-02-14T17:08:56 #kisslinux <Rio6> wouldn't people be less likely to fork and contribute back if it's all fossil?
2021-02-14T17:08:58 #kisslinux <acheam> the normal commands should be easy to port
2021-02-14T17:09:04 #kisslinux <acheam> Rio6:  thats a valid concern
2021-02-14T17:10:09 #kisslinux <acheam> Moving to fossil would be a big change, and something that deserves to be talked about
2021-02-14T17:10:14 #kisslinux <konimex> <Rio6 "wouldn't people be less likely t"> to be fair, the current situation is if it's not on github, people would be less likely to fork
2021-02-14T17:10:18 #kisslinux <acheam> although it may be best to leave it to the poll
2021-02-14T17:10:45 #kisslinux <Rio6> I would rather stay in git personally, and find other options to keep track of issues, etc
2021-02-14T17:11:37 #kisslinux <acheam> I think thats probably what's gonna end up happening most likely
2021-02-14T17:12:34 #kisslinux <konimex> iirc, github has (or had) an option which fetches PR specifically as remote branches (not using their go client), but that's only for PRs
2021-02-14T17:13:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn: I have everything built into my kernel so I didn't notice the lack of depmod/don't need it lol
2021-02-14T17:20:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten: I would do that as well except my wireless drivers are only out of tree :(
2021-02-14T17:20:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> my solution is to never update the kernel lmao
2021-02-14T17:33:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh rip, what wireless driver?
2021-02-14T17:34:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> broadcom-wl
2021-02-14T17:34:45 #kisslinux <E5ten> ah
2021-02-14T17:34:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> I used to have broadcom
2021-02-14T17:35:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> does bcrmfmac or whatever the name for the kernel driver is not support your card/work worse than with wl?
2021-02-14T17:46:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> a move to fossil would probably split the community into those who want to stay with git and those who want to switch (i admit i'm partial to git)
2021-02-14T17:48:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah splitting an already tiny community isn't a good idea
2021-02-14T17:48:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> imo it should remain on github, that's where it's already established, and it also has the broadest reach of anywhere it could be hosted
2021-02-14T17:50:22 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ^
2021-02-14T17:50:54 #kisslinux <Rio6> I wish gitea can accept pull request from other git services
2021-02-14T17:51:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> federated git would be nicr
2021-02-14T17:51:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice*
2021-02-14T17:51:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i think self-hosting/sr.ht would better reflect the values of kiss, although again, I'm a bit biased because the only thing I still used github for is contributing to kiss
2021-02-14T17:51:56 #kisslinux <Rio6> ohno k1ss.org is down?
2021-02-14T17:52:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the domain expired, will be on auction in a few weeks and it'll be bought up
2021-02-14T17:59:31 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wd y'all think about disallowing people from merge their own pull requests? that way someone else has to at least look at in order for it to be merged
2021-02-14T18:00:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes
2021-02-14T18:00:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten: bcrmfmac does not support my card :'(
2021-02-14T18:00:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> at least that's what I read everywhere; I could always try it...
2021-02-14T18:05:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> I think they've also got bcrmsmac or something for older cards?
2021-02-14T18:05:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> so if bcrmfmac doens't support it you could try that
2021-02-14T18:05:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> they've got so many lol
2021-02-14T18:06:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been using broadcom on linux since 2006 XD
2021-02-14T18:07:54 #kisslinux <E5ten> what card do you have btw?
2021-02-14T18:10:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> bcm4360
2021-02-14T18:26:09 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> ... k1ss.org down
2021-02-14T18:26:34 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, the domain is expired
2021-02-14T18:26:57 #kisslinux <acheam> Our BDFL is missing in action, in 25 days we can buy the domain back
2021-02-14T18:37:43 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> :(
2021-02-14T18:39:11 #kisslinux <acheam> the distro is up to date though, check out github.com/kiss-community
2021-02-14T18:40:33 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi. Short back. tried three browsers, none work. F*ck. cutebrowser it Python, nogo. dooble has no real documentation on how to build und otter doesn't start. Guess I know my next project. Maybe fork Falkon, throw that xplattform stuff away and get it running Or start from scratch.
2021-02-14T18:41:50 #kisslinux <acheam> High quality kiss linux logo: https://envs.sh/ng.png
2021-02-14T18:46:36 #kisslinux <acheam> website mirror running at https://kiss.armaanb.net
2021-02-14T18:47:25 #kisslinux <tracer> 👍
2021-02-14T18:52:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: could try viper-browser, otter
2021-02-14T18:52:43 #kisslinux <tracer> otter doesn't start, dumps core.
2021-02-14T18:53:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-02-14T18:54:01 #kisslinux <tracer> I'll try viper, but I can pb what happens with otter.
2021-02-14T18:54:50 #kisslinux <tracer> https://pastebin.24unix.net/?57ba691c7762e5db#CJcRzynYyqGWuJdqhDeGowFeSM2nWmPizqLkn8hKnA4D
2021-02-14T18:55:20 #kisslinux <tracer> https://pastebin.24unix.net/?ddfa63836d4210ce#DgnX9zKz5fomXPaY8FemByYYoShyGF14BEqp1tAxxw1x
2021-02-14T18:56:43 #kisslinux <tracer> Bit the lib exists lrwxrwxrwx root root 25 B Sat Feb 13 16:49:38 2021   libQt5WebEngine.so.5 ⇒ libQt5WebEngine.so.5.15.2
2021-02-14T18:57:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> see now i've had output like that first pastebin before, but it never stopped things from launching...
2021-02-14T18:58:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> you have all the problems I imagined I would have but never ran into (:
2021-02-14T18:59:18 #kisslinux <tracer> Well, semmes the way have have fun with thing. I'd could install NEON and everything works. Boring. :-)
2021-02-14T19:02:28 #kisslinux <tracer> viper does the same shit like otter. I guess it must be this icu stuff, will check out tomorrow.
2021-02-14T19:05:07 #kisslinux <tracer> At least, phpStorm work like a charme :) https://pastebin.24unix.net/?53f6cf873c496f5c#5Ph5eGUHpA4xySp4zDuhQWeLuqyFkz6TWnhFAz6TKDYj
2021-02-14T19:15:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta take our wins when we can get them :)
2021-02-14T19:16:44 #kisslinux <tracer> A few days and I'm ready to start working with that setup. Not that I cannot work with macOS, but I just wanted to give it a try. Wish you alle a nice evening, will be afk now.
2021-02-14T19:18:48 #kisslinux <acheam> eris:  did you ever end up working on kiss-flatpak?
2021-02-14T19:34:08 #kisslinux <acheam> What about a kiss package that just serves to deliver news about kiss?
2021-02-14T19:34:29 #kisslinux <acheam> so when you update your system, you get notices about breaking changes, news, etc
2021-02-14T19:34:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> add a post-install message to kiss and bump the relver?
2021-02-14T19:35:18 #kisslinux <acheam> that'd work except you can't opt out
2021-02-14T19:35:33 #kisslinux <acheam> not that it'd be a huge deal to not opt out from
2021-02-14T19:36:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> opting out would just look like forking kiss i guess huh
2021-02-14T19:54:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao who is upvoting my redditrequest post XD
2021-02-14T19:57:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I saw that haha
2021-02-14T19:58:08 #kisslinux <acheam> don't worry about the manual review, ive gotten that twice and still gotten the sub pretty quickly
2021-02-14T20:02:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm a very patient person :)
2021-02-14T20:10:48 #kisslinux <eris> acheam: I did not. No one asked me
2021-02-14T20:11:00 #kisslinux <eris> I don't like to do things with no reason, haha
2021-02-14T20:11:12 #kisslinux <eris> If it doesn't benefit me or anyone else, why bother ay?
2021-02-14T20:11:15 #kisslinux <acheam> ah I thought I suggested it in some old GH convo
2021-02-14T20:11:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i think it would benefit people
2021-02-14T20:11:34 #kisslinux <acheam> but don't do it if you don't want to
2021-02-14T20:12:49 #kisslinux <eris> Oh oops
2021-02-14T20:12:57 #kisslinux <eris> I didn't see that one
2021-02-14T20:13:07 #kisslinux <eris> That's about when my phone started dying and I stopped checking Github issues ^^'
2021-02-14T20:13:18 #kisslinux <eris> I have it set up to email me replies
2021-02-14T20:13:23 #kisslinux <eris> I'll give it a go tomorrow
2021-02-14T20:13:39 #kisslinux <eris> I'll refrain from adding it to the community repository, if that's ok
2021-02-14T20:13:55 #kisslinux <eris> It'll remain in my kiss-all
2021-02-14T20:14:04 #kisslinux <eris> Which I'll update tomorrow
2021-02-14T20:16:09 #kisslinux <eris> As an aside, hello banchouboo!
2021-02-14T20:39:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> why was surf removed from the repo anyway? noone wanted it there? im just curious. its not exacly been updated from dev either, so it cant be from lack of maintainer on our side anyway :p
2021-02-14T20:40:03 #kisslinux <noocsharp> webkit2gtk was dropped as no one wanted to maintain it i guess, and surf needs it
2021-02-14T20:41:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> makes some sence. actually thought people here might use surf tbh
2021-02-14T20:41:28 #kisslinux * sad_plan shrugs
2021-02-14T20:42:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ive tried to in the past, but on some websites that i have to use, its unusable
2021-02-14T20:43:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, I figured. its a really niche browser, so support for it isnt exacly expected
2021-02-14T20:44:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> it can always be resurrected from kiss-graveyard, if someone wants to maintain it :)
2021-02-14T20:45:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, aboslutely.
2021-02-14T21:20:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I guess... today I'm going to try to switch to s6...
2021-02-14T21:21:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrng. just finished (I think correctly) writing my service files... so hopefully init succeeds...
2021-02-14T21:22:08 #kisslinux <sad_plan> why? just for fun, or is there any particular reason for it? im just curious. never used s6 before
2021-02-14T21:32:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> because I'm a massochistic fuck who will never be content with a good thing
2021-02-14T21:32:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> (it did not work)
2021-02-14T21:33:04 #kisslinux <soliwilos> s6 is nice. :)
2021-02-14T21:33:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean, init started, but there was no long prompt. So I am assuming I'm simply not starting getty etc
2021-02-14T21:33:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> it didn't hang though! because it recognized my arch live USB when I plugged it in to change my init back lmfaoooo
2021-02-14T21:34:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/long/login/
2021-02-14T21:34:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> haha, yeah. I checked out your static kiss the other day, because I wanted to see if I could make something static. like xorg. but I changed my mind after compiling some of it. changed it back, reomved them, and went back to what I had. little did I know that it borked up alot of stuff in /usr/bin. was missing rm, sh and a whole lot of other stuff. lol. had to recompile the base anyway
2021-02-14T21:35:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> woweee that should not happen lmfao
2021-02-14T21:35:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> you would think converting a static system to a shared one would be pretty straight forward, but I have found that it is certainly not so simple
2021-02-14T21:36:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hah, no, bit I fixed it afterwards anyway, so im fine. im going to revisit it later though, the static stuff seems kinda interesting. should I be able to force a semi static filesystem? like if I add static to the buildfiles of i.e. xorg
2021-02-14T21:36:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, exacly. im sure you had aloooot of struggles with this though
2021-02-14T21:39:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> getting the rootfs was relatively straightforward, just time consuming. the real struggle right now is a reliabily working python, but also mesa can't be static
2021-02-14T21:39:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you'd be better off using like wld if you wanted to go fully FULLY static for instance
2021-02-14T21:40:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aha. how do you then build mesa? just specify dynamic linking in buildfile?
2021-02-14T21:40:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> wld?
2021-02-14T21:40:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> doing CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -static" will link against static libs, but a lot of things will require other things be set if you want them to be static (python being the big one)
2021-02-14T21:40:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa you just specify that everything be dynamic :S it's not so bad
2021-02-14T21:41:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> wld: https://github.com/michaelforney/wld
2021-02-14T21:41:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you wanted mesa to be 'static' you could theoretically uncomment all these commented out seds https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/blob/wyverkiss-static/extra/mesa/build
2021-02-14T21:41:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but you wouldn't actually get a working graphics lol
2021-02-14T21:42:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> so all you really do is just comment out the seds and strip -static from the CFLAGS and you'll just get some libdri.so's and whatnot, which will work just fine. In the end on wyverkiss I ended up with an entirely static system except for mesa with a working wayland server
2021-02-14T21:43:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I could theoretically go back; the biggest blocker for me a was a web browser, but now that I have confirmed chromium runs fine on wayland I could settle for static everything but mesa and fight chromium to death until it does what I want
2021-02-14T21:44:08 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, that was really what I  thought youd do.
2021-02-14T21:44:20 #kisslinux <sad_plan> how did oasis solve this though?
2021-02-14T21:44:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> mcf just uses wld+swc+voxel
2021-02-14T21:45:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> so no mesa then. couldnt you just do basicly the same thing instead? thus having a fully static kisslinux?
2021-02-14T21:46:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> which I have *considered*, but I don't know that chromium could EVER work without mesa (it creates its own libEGL.so so I assume it forces mesa at some point) - oasis uses netsurf as a browser
2021-02-14T21:46:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium might be possible if you disable the parts that would need mesa, like hardware acceleration. but then things like youtube are probably just unusable
2021-02-14T21:46:46 #kisslinux <sad_plan> and Im guessing you dont want netsurf :p
2021-02-14T21:46:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> god no
2021-02-14T21:46:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck netsurf
2021-02-14T21:48:12 #kisslinux <sad_plan> why dont you just use invidious and cp links to mpv instead? then youll have hardware acc with mpv, and no sharing your ip with yt. just do the browsing from your browser, and fetching the links. or just use some other cli software that does this for you
2021-02-14T21:48:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-02-14T21:48:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that would atleast solve that specific issue anyway
2021-02-14T21:49:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> because mpv is also gpl
2021-02-14T21:49:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfaoooo
2021-02-14T21:49:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> the point of using velox would be to drop pango (which I think you can build chromium without), basically
2021-02-14T21:50:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> shiet. I actually knew that, but I forgot
2021-02-14T21:50:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-14T21:50:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ffplay? gpl aswell?
2021-02-14T21:50:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> ffmpeg is gpl if you enable it
2021-02-14T21:50:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> which you probably *should*, because otherwise you don't have h.264 encoding...
2021-02-14T21:51:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> because x264 is gpl :'(
2021-02-14T21:51:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> well then youre in a bit of a pickle :p
2021-02-14T21:51:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed indeed
2021-02-14T21:52:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/tree/master/gpl this is roughly where I stand wrt dropping gpl
2021-02-14T21:52:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> in short: shit's gonna be hard
2021-02-14T21:55:30 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, I can understand that. living in a world of self imposed restrictions do sometimes suck. you have my sympathies, even though Im not at the same stage at desktop level, I still refuse to use apps on my phone I know has trackers and other bs permissions (which is mainly proprietary anyway).
2021-02-14T21:56:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> that google had to add a permissions option for apps so that they can ONLY query my location *while using* the app says something about the state of the world
2021-02-14T21:58:03 #kisslinux <sad_plan> word. shouldnt even be neccessary in the first place, but yet here we are..
2021-02-14T22:00:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> do you actually use alsa, or do you just run without any sound at all? :p
2021-02-14T22:02:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I use alsa :'(
2021-02-14T22:02:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> if everyone would just level their sound to like, some sort of decible standard before they published it on the internet, I wouldn't need alsa-utils! but I need alsa-lib so
2021-02-14T22:03:26 #kisslinux <sad_plan> is there really no alternative to it? im a bit amazed if there is literally no alternative at all
2021-02-14T22:06:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> OSS
2021-02-14T22:06:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> and probably pulseaudio, if I understand how it works
2021-02-14T22:06:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> but thats gpl aswell. and isnt that sortof depcetiated?
2021-02-14T22:06:59 #kisslinux <sad_plan> doesnt pulseaudio require alsa? or does it run standalone?
2021-02-14T22:07:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel like it should definitely be able to run standalone...
2021-02-14T22:07:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ..but it does not :p
2021-02-14T22:07:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> OSS is useable if you have older hardware, who knows how old
2021-02-14T22:08:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> OSS is NOT GPL on BSD which makes me very upset lmao
2021-02-14T22:08:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> can you port bsd's OSS though?:p
2021-02-14T22:10:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean maybe lmao
2021-02-14T22:10:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> Probably not me specifically xD
2021-02-14T22:10:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am untalented
2021-02-14T22:10:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I dont see why not though. that would solve atleast one of your problems
2021-02-14T22:10:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> looks like pulseaudio has a buildtime option to disable alsa support. so If it weren't gpl, maybe I would use it lolololololo
2021-02-14T22:11:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ditto. I want to make all kinds of things, but I cant seem to get past the barrier of actually putting things together to make some software/script w/e
2021-02-14T22:11:51 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that sucks though
2021-02-14T22:12:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> eh
2021-02-14T22:12:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's an impossible dream but a fun challenge
2021-02-14T22:12:47 #kisslinux <illiliti> dilyn: check out https://github.com/tinyalsa/tinyalsa
2021-02-14T22:13:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol their license file just says 'NOTICE'
2021-02-14T22:13:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> how did i forget about this
2021-02-14T22:13:37 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/tinyalsa/tinyalsa/blob/master/NOTICE
2021-02-14T22:14:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc
2021-02-14T22:14:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> 3 clause woohoo
2021-02-14T22:26:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> petition to add that to the repo, so others may enjoy it aswell
2021-02-14T22:26:48 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn you may be the only individual in the world to avoid GPL software lol
2021-02-14T22:27:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am a unique individual :v
2021-02-14T22:27:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol sbase grep doesn't support -m
2021-02-14T22:28:52 #kisslinux <acheam> Can't you just pipe into head?
2021-02-14T22:29:13 #kisslinux <acheam> it'd be slower I guess
2021-02-14T22:29:16 #kisslinux <acheam> if its a huge file
2021-02-14T22:31:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> for the build system
2021-02-14T22:31:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> it defines the major version from a script which uses grep -m
2021-02-14T22:37:12 #kisslinux <acheam> that shouldn't be too hard to replace then
2021-02-14T22:41:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn: toybox grep has -m :p
2021-02-14T22:42:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> of course it does >.<
2021-02-14T22:42:50 #kisslinux <E5ten> Toybox is "0BSD" (public domain) so it probably fits your licensing desires lol
2021-02-14T22:43:24 #kisslinux <acheam> why would you public domain software?
2021-02-14T22:43:32 #kisslinux <acheam> compared to a super permissive license
2021-02-14T22:43:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> Landley (toybox creator and before that busybox maintainer) invented 0BSD as a way to do public domain but still appease lawyers by not technically calling it public domain
2021-02-14T22:43:49 #kisslinux <acheam> I have a few public domain repos, but they are all very small, nothing like sqlite or toybox
2021-02-14T22:44:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> What's more permissive than public domain?
2021-02-14T22:44:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh yes I've been using toybox
2021-02-14T22:44:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> Ah
2021-02-14T22:44:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> for some reason I chose sbase grep over toybox grep adn I don't recall why I did that
2021-02-14T22:44:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> I guess the only way to find out is switch to toybox grep and see if something breaks lol
2021-02-14T22:45:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> haha indeed
2021-02-14T22:45:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> #whatcouldgowrong
2021-02-14T22:47:26 #kisslinux <acheam> From landley's website: "My wife's name is Fade. We got married at Penguicon 2007. Fade's boss Steve Jackson officiated, and Eric Raymond was best man. (The wedding fit into a 1 hour panel slot and was moved once so as not to conflict with an Elizabeth Bear panel Fade wanted to attend, and a Charlie Stross panel Steve wanted to attend. Yes, we're all that geeky.)" If my marriage isn't like that, I dont
2021-02-14T22:47:28 #kisslinux <acheam> want it.
2021-02-14T22:48:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-14T22:50:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> with toybox grep the lib is named libtinyalsa.so{.,2}, which seems wrong
2021-02-14T22:50:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/,2/,.2/
2021-02-14T22:50:32 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> with toybox grep the lib is named libtinyalsa.so{.,.2}, which seems wrong
2021-02-14T22:58:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn: what build system are you using to build it?