2021-03-12T05:54:09 #kisslinux <kyao> dilyn we probably need a kisslinux offtopic soon :D
2021-03-12T05:54:23 #kisslinux <kyao> atleast when dylan was here it was atleast somewhat kisslinux focused
2021-03-12T05:54:26 #kisslinux <kyao> now its just smalltalk
2021-03-12T06:06:59 #kisslinux <mao> how about how i havent been able to access the website for a few days ?
2021-03-12T06:07:44 #kisslinux <mao> just seems to hang
2021-03-12T06:17:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> you might need to use the new link
2021-03-12T06:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://k1sslinux.org
2021-03-12T06:17:50 #kisslinux <mao> boom.. that works, was unaware
2021-03-12T06:17:53 #kisslinux <mao> thx !
2021-03-12T06:17:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Np
2021-03-12T06:18:52 #kisslinux <mao> anyone coming from crux who wants to sell me on kiss ?
2021-03-12T06:19:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I actually used to use CRUX
2021-03-12T06:19:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you can't really compare KISS to CRUX
2021-03-12T06:19:31 #kisslinux <mao> i live in the framebuffer, my needs are simple
2021-03-12T06:19:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> if CRUX is somewhere between arch and gentoo, KISS is... well, basically it's LFS with a package manager
2021-03-12T06:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> you just pick what you want, package it if it's not already available by writing a build script, and then just... do your thing
2021-03-12T06:20:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's not really any defaults or restrictions, so you can mix and match system components as you see fit
2021-03-12T06:20:52 #kisslinux <mao> ive done lfs, just dont wanna do it again right now. i do like crux, but trying to see what is out there
2021-03-12T06:20:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to use BSD-style init, go ahead. traditional sysv? why not. systemd? if you want. etc
2021-03-12T06:20:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fair
2021-03-12T06:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS takes the tedium out of it
2021-03-12T06:21:12 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-12T06:23:45 #kisslinux <mao> well, im gonna read some things.. thx midfavila
2021-03-12T06:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> See you.
2021-03-12T07:13:57 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: I agree with the whole pax situation. It isn't popular because GNU didn't implement it. It was never an actual UNIX tool, and POSIX just created it because tar couldn't be properly standardised. GNU and libarchive extensions are really valid (such as strip-components), but you cannot standardise extensions that didn't exist on older UNIX systems. pax never picked up popularity, because it is an artificial UNIX standard, and
2021-03-12T07:13:57 #kisslinux <merakor> cannot replace tar when concerning backwards compatibility.
2021-03-12T07:14:56 #kisslinux <merakor> This whole mess could be resolved if GNU actually implemented pax on coreutils given that BSDs did implement it. pax is much better than every tar implementation out there anyway.
2021-03-12T07:15:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> Wonder if I could patch KISS to handle pax. Hrm.
2021-03-12T07:15:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> iisnt tar one of the only utils that doesnt have a standard?
2021-03-12T07:15:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's got a "standard"
2021-03-12T07:15:42 #kisslinux <merakor> cpt uses pax if it is available
2021-03-12T07:15:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's so basic that everyone just sorta
2021-03-12T07:15:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> did their own thing
2021-03-12T07:15:53 #kisslinux <merakor> necromansy: Yeap
2021-03-12T07:16:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> well not the POSIX standard i mean
2021-03-12T07:16:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> but yeah
2021-03-12T07:16:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait, is it really not standardized at all?
2021-03-12T07:16:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> i gettu
2021-03-12T07:16:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I thought there was at least a core spec
2021-03-12T07:16:11 #kisslinux <merakor> It was standardised, but then it was removed
2021-03-12T07:16:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> gross
2021-03-12T07:16:23 #kisslinux <merakor> Like a single edition on POSIX
2021-03-12T07:16:28 #kisslinux <merakor> s/on/of/
2021-03-12T07:16:29 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> Like a single editiof on POSIX
2021-03-12T07:16:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Whoops
2021-03-12T07:16:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> Lmao
2021-03-12T07:16:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> gotta use them word boundaries
2021-03-12T07:16:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> :P
2021-03-12T07:17:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I need to do something productive
2021-03-12T07:17:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've done basically fuck-all today
2021-03-12T07:17:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> lucky you
2021-03-12T07:18:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive been trying to finish up my response to reviewer comments
2021-03-12T07:18:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, "lucky"
2021-03-12T07:18:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> having tons of time on your hands sounds great until you realize that you haven't done anything in over two weeks
2021-03-12T07:18:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i get you
2021-03-12T07:18:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> because there's literally *nothing to do*
2021-03-12T07:18:45 #kisslinux <merakor> I need to release the next version of cpt, but I don't want to do it until the docs are complete
2021-03-12T07:18:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> it felt like that for me over uni breaks
2021-03-12T07:18:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't even go lurk in cafes to fuck with normies
2021-03-12T07:18:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> because everything is closed
2021-03-12T07:19:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> and i realised after a month of playing vidya i wanted to do work again
2021-03-12T07:19:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-12T07:19:21 #kisslinux <merakor> I have been holding it off since December or something
2021-03-12T07:19:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's always fun to mitm traffic to Google or some other popular site and redirect to some meme site
2021-03-12T07:19:44 #kisslinux <merakor> I really dislike writing docs as well
2021-03-12T07:20:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> i feel like writing docs wouldnt be too bad imo
2021-03-12T07:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> dox are important
2021-03-12T07:20:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> brush up on those mandoc skills
2021-03-12T07:20:40 #kisslinux <merakor> Manpages are complete, it is the library documentation that's boring merakor2
2021-03-12T07:20:53 #kisslinux <merakor> I didn't mean to mention my second account
2021-03-12T07:20:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> im hoping i get a bit of time to start looking at building my FORTRAN compilier
2021-03-12T07:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> fortran is v based
2021-03-12T07:21:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to look at it some time in the future
2021-03-12T07:21:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's mostly for scientific computing now, right?
2021-03-12T07:21:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats all its for
2021-03-12T07:21:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> all its really been for
2021-03-12T07:21:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair enough
2021-03-12T07:21:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most I know about fortran is that it's like
2021-03-12T07:21:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ancient
2021-03-12T07:22:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and well-suited for mathematics
2021-03-12T07:22:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, one of, if not, the oldest programming languages
2021-03-12T07:22:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the oldest
2021-03-12T07:22:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> late 50's
2021-03-12T07:22:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> followed by LISP
2021-03-12T07:22:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> fortran is 57 and lisp is 59 iirc
2021-03-12T07:22:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> atm all im using it for locally is to build LAPACK and BLAS for scipy
2021-03-12T07:23:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> woop, fortran is 57
2021-03-12T07:23:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> my penchant for memorizing obscure and largely useless trivia pays off yet again
2021-03-12T07:23:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> but part of my research is running a computational model on the uni servers
2021-03-12T07:23:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> that is F90 code
2021-03-12T07:23:37 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: are you using ed from GNU or sbase?
2021-03-12T07:23:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> sbase
2021-03-12T07:23:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> sbase as well
2021-03-12T07:23:54 #kisslinux <merakor> Me too
2021-03-12T07:24:00 #kisslinux <merakor> It's pretty good
2021-03-12T07:24:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only GNU coreutil I have is grep
2021-03-12T07:24:08 #kisslinux <merakor> Busybox ed sucks so bad
2021-03-12T07:24:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> because KISS doesn't like suckless grep
2021-03-12T07:24:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean let's be real
2021-03-12T07:24:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> im keeping the GNU one maintained coz i like some of the features
2021-03-12T07:24:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> busybox is only good because of its size
2021-03-12T07:24:28 #kisslinux <merakor> sbase grep is really slow
2021-03-12T07:24:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> being able to pipe stdout into a file is good
2021-03-12T07:24:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> "bro just use ripgrep"
2021-03-12T07:24:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually hmm
2021-03-12T07:24:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I can use asmutils grep
2021-03-12T07:25:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Isn't ripgrep basically `find . -type f -exec grep`
2021-03-12T07:25:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's ripgrep in rust or something
2021-03-12T07:25:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i never bothered looking at it beyond that
2021-03-12T07:25:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> because ew, rust
2021-03-12T07:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah nah looks like the asmutils are garbage
2021-03-12T07:26:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> a shame
2021-03-12T07:28:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> the thing that bugs me is that when using suckless grep, kiss' dependency checker breaks during package removal
2021-03-12T07:28:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea why
2021-03-12T07:30:50 #kisslinux <merakor> I'll take a look
2021-03-12T07:31:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> spits out the message "grep: fopen --: No such file or directory" during removal of a package with children
2021-03-12T07:31:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g gtk+2
2021-03-12T07:32:24 #kisslinux <merakor> That is interesting
2021-03-12T07:32:32 #kisslinux <merakor> Doesn't happen on other greps?
2021-03-12T07:32:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> it does not
2021-03-12T07:32:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> furthermore there is no instance in any standard kiss scripts of grep being called with --
2021-03-12T07:32:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think thatst harmless, dilyn encountered something similar
2021-03-12T07:32:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, according to grep itself
2021-03-12T07:32:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, it's not harmless
2021-03-12T07:33:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> im thinking of some other error then i guess
2021-03-12T07:33:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides even if it was "harmless", a bug is a bug, right?
2021-03-12T07:33:32 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh yeah the -- should be before "$1", not after
2021-03-12T07:33:50 #kisslinux <merakor> I'll send a patch, that's smart midfavila, thanks
2021-03-12T07:33:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> np
2021-03-12T07:34:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> mind posting it here too?
2021-03-12T07:35:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm assuming it's line 1126 that needs patching
2021-03-12T07:35:17 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila:  https://termbin.com/f2al
2021-03-12T07:35:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> indeed it was
2021-03-12T07:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks merakor
2021-03-12T07:35:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Sure thing
2021-03-12T07:36:21 #kisslinux <merakor> Can you confirm it?
2021-03-12T07:36:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> will in a sec
2021-03-12T07:36:34 #kisslinux <merakor> Alright
2021-03-12T07:36:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, that fixed it
2021-03-12T07:37:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Great, sending a patch to upstream
2021-03-12T07:37:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> very cool, that's one more package I can cut from my system
2021-03-12T07:37:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> must... prune...
2021-03-12T07:59:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> aww didn't catch claudia too. here's the original framebuffer talk if any of you interested https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=x1oXByIJcHU
2021-03-12T08:05:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> any experiences with toybox instead of busybox?
2021-03-12T08:06:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn uses it
2021-03-12T08:08:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Then it must be in somewhat usable state, nice. I'll try it too then
2021-03-12T08:17:29 #kisslinux <merakor> It requires bash to build though
2021-03-12T08:17:40 #kisslinux * midfavila hisses
2021-03-12T08:17:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Do not utter the name of the cursed shell in my presence
2021-03-12T08:17:57 #kisslinux <merakor> And landley doesn't accept patches to make it POSIX sh
2021-03-12T08:19:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lmao cringe
2021-03-12T08:19:39 #kisslinux <travankor>  y tho
2021-03-12T08:19:42 #kisslinux <merakor> I seriously don't understand landley's bash evangelism. I understand that he is making toysh a bash replacement, which is great. I don't understand why he is insisting to make the build system unportable.
2021-03-12T08:19:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's current year merakor
2021-03-12T08:19:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone uses bash
2021-03-12T08:20:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not 1960 any more smh
2021-03-12T08:20:12 #kisslinux <merakor> He is saying that he wants it to be bash because he is making a bash replacement shell
2021-03-12T08:20:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe he uses the build script as a test for the shell..?
2021-03-12T08:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk
2021-03-12T08:20:47 #kisslinux <travankor> 🤔
2021-03-12T08:20:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I see no reasonable point anyways
2021-03-12T08:21:24 #kisslinux <merakor> IIRC he said that at some point toybox will be able to build itself without a bash dependency, but the scripts will remain bash scripts.
2021-03-12T08:21:45 #kisslinux <travankor> what kind of logic is that!?
2021-03-12T08:21:50 #kisslinux <merakor> travankor: yup
2021-03-12T08:21:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> "fuck you" logic
2021-03-12T08:22:08 #kisslinux <travankor> ^
2021-03-12T08:22:10 #kisslinux <travankor> lol
2021-03-12T08:22:27 #kisslinux <merakor> This is E5ten's PR https://github.com/landley/toybox/pull/182
2021-03-12T08:23:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> >they use macOS
2021-03-12T08:23:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> all is clear
2021-03-12T08:23:59 #kisslinux <travankor> >what AOSP uses
2021-03-12T08:24:19 #kisslinux <travankor> mfw toybox exists just for le memedroid
2021-03-12T08:24:36 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean, at this point, sbase is much better than any alternatives in terms of simplicity.
2021-03-12T08:25:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Michael isn't getting a lot of help, and people are constantly bashing sbase, but I think it's pretty good given that he rarely receives any contributions.
2021-03-12T08:25:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> sbase is great
2021-03-12T08:26:27 #kisslinux <merakor> sbase has its own flaws, but it is reliable for the most part.
2021-03-12T08:26:47 #kisslinux <travankor> what kind of flaws?
2021-03-12T08:26:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I think that its main flaw is that it's not complete lmao
2021-03-12T08:26:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> outside of that it accomplishes its goals quite well
2021-03-12T08:27:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah toybox is for android as it already being used there
2021-03-12T08:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example
2021-03-12T08:27:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> neither ubase nor sbase have a bc implementation
2021-03-12T08:27:26 #kisslinux <merakor> I only think that performance is the issue with sbase
2021-03-12T08:27:44 #kisslinux <merakor> In terms of completeness, it is alright
2021-03-12T08:27:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> their implementation of tar is also garbage
2021-03-12T08:28:05 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, Michael wants to remove it outright
2021-03-12T08:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly though I like the approach the suckless core encourages you to take
2021-03-12T08:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> "here's a bunch of atomic-scale tools. if you want a non-standard feature, script it"
2021-03-12T08:28:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> see: columnized ls output
2021-03-12T08:29:14 #kisslinux <merakor> That is a part of POSIX though :D
2021-03-12T08:29:20 #kisslinux <merakor> It will be added at some point
2021-03-12T08:29:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh. Hrm
2021-03-12T08:31:21 #kisslinux <merakor> Anyway, I do like the sbase approach as well
2021-03-12T08:31:44 #kisslinux <merakor> It is similar to how musl handles a lot of things as libc
2021-03-12T08:32:26 #kisslinux <merakor> It is not just bare POSIX, it has _some_ extensions, but those are absolutely necessary extensions.
2021-03-12T08:32:35 #kisslinux <merakor> like grep -E
2021-03-12T08:32:36 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-03-12T08:34:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah at this point toybox is a meme
2021-03-12T08:50:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> so do any of you play cataclysm dark days ahead?
2021-03-12T08:54:09 #kisslinux <travankor> yes i've tried it out because of you :p
2021-03-12T08:54:50 #kisslinux <travankor> still figuring it out
2021-03-12T08:55:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair
2021-03-12T08:55:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> It can be a complex game at times
2021-03-12T08:55:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-ZVR.png
2021-03-12T08:55:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've spent the past few hours absolutely slaughtering the game's attempt at resource scarcity.
2021-03-12T08:55:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> Toybox is great, the bash build requirement sucks, but it provides a lot of flags that get used in scripts and aren't present in other coreutils-type things (aside from GNU)
2021-03-12T08:56:26 #kisslinux <merakor> E5ten: How does it compare against busybox?
2021-03-12T08:57:38 #kisslinux <merakor> I didn't use toybox a lot, so I cannot say a lot about it.
2021-03-12T08:57:52 #kisslinux <travankor> I like lobase (openbsd utils)
2021-03-12T09:00:58 #kisslinux <travankor> http://0x0.st/-ZVF.png
2021-03-12T09:02:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine using a subshell when command substitution would have gotten the job done better
2021-03-12T09:02:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-12T09:02:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Is it from "what unix costs us" talk?
2021-03-12T09:06:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> merakor: I prefer it to busybox, it's missing some important stuff (no awk yet, shell not ready) but I use specific alternatives for those
2021-03-12T09:07:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> better be using otawk
2021-03-12T09:07:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> or else
2021-03-12T09:51:22 #kisslinux <claudia02> nxghtmvrx : Have you tried to get netsurf-fb get runing in fb on kiss? I ran into issues about initializing and input.
2021-03-12T10:17:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> hadn't tried netsurf-fb claudia02
2021-03-12T10:32:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> midfavila: mawk :p
2021-03-12T10:33:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> nawk doesn't work for a script I use, haven't gotten around to making a PR for them to change it to work with nawk
2021-03-12T10:39:45 #kisslinux <claudia_> nxghtmvrx: You are all in for a terminal webbrowser?
2021-03-12T10:40:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> pretty much stick with lynx
2021-03-12T10:41:44 #kisslinux <claudia_> Gotcha.
2021-03-12T10:42:14 #kisslinux <travankor> what's lynx offer for a links users?
2021-03-12T10:42:42 #kisslinux <travankor> s/users/user/
2021-03-12T10:42:43 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> what's lynx offer for a links user?
2021-03-12T10:43:01 #kisslinux <claudia_> Have you checked out https://github.com/eafer/rdrview ? I use this to read news stuff in lynx.
2021-03-12T10:44:11 #kisslinux <claudia_> Configurable navigation keys? :p
2021-03-12T10:45:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Really nothing. It just smaller and such. Its debatable whether its 'better' than links. There's configuration but for example I can't just save option to ignore cookies so it resets every time when I re-launch it
2021-03-12T10:48:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> rdrview is interesting. thanks for sharing. for now I use newsboat though because I can configure external program to open links differently and can script it
2021-03-12T10:54:25 #kisslinux <claudia_> I follow some rss feeds with sfeed + sfeed_curses. Mostly news and yt videos. -> youtube-dl / rdrview
2021-03-12T10:55:56 #kisslinux <claudia_> With "text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html %s; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html" in $HOME/.mailcap and can use lynx as a pager.
2021-03-12T10:57:42 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I tried sfreed  but every rss feed must be updated by hand before you hand it to sfeed_ncurses afaik
2021-03-12T11:00:30 #kisslinux <claudia_> "sfeed_update && pkill -SIGHUP sfeed_curses" updates all feeds from your sfeedrc and updates the running sfeed_curses instance.
2021-03-12T11:03:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh thanks for sharing. Will give sfeed another try then
2021-03-12T12:04:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah sfeed + sfeed_curses is super nice and easy. configured everything by now
2021-03-12T12:25:11 #kisslinux <claudia_> nxghtmvrx: Sound good. I like that there is not much to wrap my head around to get it going. Very straight forward.
2021-03-12T12:25:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah
2021-03-12T12:26:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now I can curl, format stuff and pipe to less without using lynx at all
2021-03-12T12:28:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I use small fonts so man-like output would be ideal
2021-03-12T12:29:43 #kisslinux <claudia_> With the mailcap entry I send earlier, I use lynx to dump the html to text. This is in width like manpages.
2021-03-12T13:30:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Figured out how to use ffmpeg to combine streams. It was `ffmpeg -i "audio" -i "video" -f matroska - | ffplay -`
2021-03-12T13:32:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Without telling it format it won't work tho
2021-03-12T13:48:10 #kisslinux <chira> hi everyone
2021-03-12T13:48:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hu
2021-03-12T13:48:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-12T13:48:48 #kisslinux <chira> ive been running kiss for a while now, been great
2021-03-12T13:50:26 #kisslinux <chira> noticed that the kiss init rc.boot file depends on fsck which is only available on util-linux or busybox
2021-03-12T13:51:27 #kisslinux <chira> so if one were to use ubase as util-linux replacement boot would exit
2021-03-12T13:52:43 #kisslinux <chira> you can still complete boot process but need physical access, no headless :(
2021-03-12T14:04:45 #kisslinux <acheam> hi chira , testuser_[m]
2021-03-12T14:05:14 #kisslinux <chira> hi
2021-03-12T14:05:28 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm we should look into that
2021-03-12T14:05:40 #kisslinux <chira> ya regarding fsck, i just commented it out and boots perfect.
2021-03-12T14:06:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> fsck isn't really necessary so it should work yeah
2021-03-12T14:06:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> can probably do command -v fsck like for udev and stuff
2021-03-12T14:06:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/udev/mdev or udevd/
2021-03-12T14:06:57 #kisslinux <kissbot> <testuser_[m]> can probably do command -v fsck like for mdev or udevd and stuff
2021-03-12T14:07:59 #kisslinux <chira> yup coz even for fsck.btrfs, just do nothing successfully
2021-03-12T14:42:35 #kisslinux <chira> would this be ok?:if fsck isnt avail in sys could just inform user fsck is skipped?, coz i guess the user should know how their fstab looks like
2021-03-12T14:43:08 #kisslinux <chira> (if they decide to meander away from default setup)
2021-03-12T15:04:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> re sbase grep: of course it's just a silly -- smh
2021-03-12T15:04:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> There's a similar thing with kiss-chroot, with ksh the arguments for env get passed to chroot so it exits
2021-03-12T15:05:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> re toybox: I dig it. It's pretty well complete IMO. fdisk doesn't do gpt disks though, which is a shame. I use e5ten's patch to remove bash, somebody else has a PR to make it bootstrapable without bash as well which is interesting...
2021-03-12T15:05:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> not relying on fsck would be... interesting. At the very least, you can just patch it out yourself if you don't think you'll need it chira:
2021-03-12T15:09:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> chroot problem also exists with dash. Ruff. Can somebody test putting -- after $1 with some other shells? it shouldn't break but you never know
2021-03-12T15:10:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> though the problem may only exist for uutils chroot
2021-03-12T15:15:17 #kisslinux <bienjensu> Hey, I'm trying to install kiss but when I unpack the root tarball there's nothing in /usr/bin etc., the directory and symlink structure is unpacked (and /etc has some config files in it), but other than that nothing
2021-03-12T15:19:28 #kisslinux <bienjensu> It's weird because the tarball is still 40mb or so, but unpacked its just a few k
2021-03-12T15:21:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> you sure tarball is undamaged and you are privileged to extract all files from archive?
2021-03-12T15:23:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's interesting
2021-03-12T15:23:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i can confirm that
2021-03-12T15:23:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> wth
2021-03-12T15:24:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Muh ffmpeg playback speedup(x1.5) sucks. Uses nearly all my cpu and I have 12 threads
2021-03-12T15:28:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> now i'm worried about all my other tarballs smh
2021-03-12T15:29:00 #kisslinux <bienjensu> I don't know enough about archives to guess what might be causing it but it's pretty strange
2021-03-12T15:29:31 #kisslinux <bienjensu> I assume it hasn't been reported with the new kiss-community stuff yet because most people are just switching their repos over instead of reinstalling
2021-03-12T15:29:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn your kiss-me one worked fine
2021-03-12T15:29:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> good to hear
2021-03-12T15:30:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah bienjensu you may very well be the first person to download the new tarball haha
2021-03-12T15:30:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm gonna push this and if it doesn't work then it's an issue with the way I'm pushing them
2021-03-12T15:31:33 #kisslinux <bienjensu> I'll give it a try with the new version
2021-03-12T15:36:06 #kisslinux <bienjensu> the bkp-chroot snapshot tarball in KISS-me doesn't have this problem, extracts just fine with a populated /usr/bin
2021-03-12T15:37:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the tarball seems to have ~26 downloads
2021-03-12T15:37:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss-community
2021-03-12T15:37:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh jeez
2021-03-12T15:38:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright so either the problem is with github-cli or it was a fluke and my tarball was bad
2021-03-12T15:38:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wouldn't tar just refuse to extract if the Tarball was broken during upload
2021-03-12T15:38:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-03-12T15:39:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably
2021-03-12T15:39:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> err incomplete archive or smth
2021-03-12T15:39:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> who tf knows
2021-03-12T15:39:34 #kisslinux <bienjensu> at least half of those downloads were me going insane last night
2021-03-12T15:39:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-12T15:39:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-03-12T15:41:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay it's uploading
2021-03-12T15:41:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> will be 2021-3.2 now
2021-03-12T15:42:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/2021-3.2/2021.3-2/
2021-03-12T15:42:04 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> will be 2021.3-2 now
2021-03-12T15:43:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay. try it now
2021-03-12T15:44:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> somehow the archive is now massive wth
2021-03-12T15:44:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something will have to compress it more. i switched from xz to zstd so there were a few changes on my end yesterday lol
2021-03-12T15:44:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn is tarbombing us!
2021-03-12T15:45:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> *boom*
2021-03-12T15:45:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay it looks like it downloaded with actual stuff in usr/bin/ so i think we're good...
2021-03-12T15:45:54 #kisslinux <bienjensu> looks fixed, will try and actually install in a bit
2021-03-12T15:46:00 #kisslinux <bienjensu> what a weird bug
2021-03-12T15:46:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> yay! thanks for reporting instead of just giving up :)
2021-03-12T15:46:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm, it might actually still be broken. lmk
2021-03-12T15:59:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so how is pax better than tar ?
2021-03-12T16:01:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> the uid:gid on those files may or may not be completely borked. I'm reuploading it, but if you have issues it may be as easy as chown -R root:root /path/to/dir
2021-03-12T16:01:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> also for some reason zstd's xz implementation results in tarballs that are 20MB larger with identical flags?? strange
2021-03-12T16:02:37 #kisslinux * sh4rm4^bnc note to self: only produce tarballs as root
2021-03-12T16:02:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-12T16:03:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had done something erroneous at some point and chowned the wrong directory a week ago I guess
2021-03-12T16:03:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> because all my chroots are root:root
2021-03-12T16:03:24 #kisslinux <chira> im not advocating for no fsck-ing. just pointing out that if that particular command isnt avail, booting halts
2021-03-12T16:03:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure
2021-03-12T16:03:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> fscking your disks is important (:
2021-03-12T16:03:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> not if you use ext4
2021-03-12T16:03:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's rock stable
2021-03-12T16:04:01 #kisslinux <chira> it is. i could run it post boot. if i need to
2021-03-12T16:04:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean the change is as simple as checking if fsck exists
2021-03-12T16:04:34 #kisslinux <chira> fsck is just a wrapper for file-system specific fsck
2021-03-12T16:04:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-03-12T16:04:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance, toybox provides fsck on my machine
2021-03-12T16:05:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> the obvious solution here is to use a real init, duh
2021-03-12T16:05:27 #kisslinux <chira> coz if i run kiss without an fstab the fsck in kiss-init is just theater
2021-03-12T16:06:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the tarball seems to fine
2021-03-12T16:06:09 #kisslinux <chira> and its theatre for filesystems like btrfs and xfs, etc that utilise alternative fsck methods
2021-03-12T16:07:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbf half of init is a theatre tho
2021-03-12T16:07:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> seed_random isn't necessary depending on how users choose to seed random for instance
2021-03-12T16:07:57 #kisslinux <chira> yup, but kiss's not so much :)
2021-03-12T16:08:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks for confirming testuser_[m] :)
2021-03-12T16:24:30 #kisslinux <bienjensu> it's working just fine, thanks dilyn for the quick fix
2021-03-12T16:36:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc!
2021-03-12T18:52:47 #kisslinux <merakor> I just did a release candidate TM for cpt-6 TM
2021-03-12T19:09:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> any reason the "Checking for package conflicts" step should be taking a long time?
2021-03-12T19:10:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> on a kiss i <pkg>
2021-03-12T19:11:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think that's where the manifests for each file are compared, no?
2021-03-12T21:17:26 #kisslinux <tink> is it intentional that there are no boxes wrapped around lines of code in the replacing udev page unlike other pages in the kiss wiki?
2021-03-12T22:31:11 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah that is weird
2021-03-12T22:34:00 #kisslinux <acheam> that was dylan's writing too
2021-03-12T23:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> IT IS A MESSAGE
2021-03-12T23:53:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> OUR MESSIAH SPEAKS!
2021-03-12T23:53:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> lo, behold the word of the void-code, for in its absence, it tells all
2021-03-12T23:54:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> your code reeks
2021-03-12T23:54:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah well
2021-03-12T23:54:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> your face reeks
2021-03-12T23:54:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :D
2021-03-12T23:54:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> gottem
2021-03-12T23:55:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've been laughing my ass off earlier when dalias mentioned the term "codesmell"
2021-03-12T23:55:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> got to visualize it
2021-03-12T23:55:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's also the fact that a lot of modern devs write nothing but shitty code
2021-03-12T23:55:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> so the hypocrisy is funny enough
2021-03-12T23:55:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway gonna switch to laptop now
2021-03-12T23:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gotta make muh eggies
2021-03-12T23:56:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'm gonna call the programming language i'm working on FART lang
2021-03-12T23:56:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just call it shitlang
2021-03-12T23:56:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> featuring the Codesmell (TM) IDE
2021-03-12T23:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just be honest about it
2021-03-12T23:56:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> succeed where the rust devs failed