2021-03-13T00:01:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ironically there's already fartlang.org
2021-03-13T00:01:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> amazing
2021-03-13T00:01:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> though they're just making fun of dart and google
2021-03-13T00:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> low-hanging fruit
2021-03-13T00:02:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> everyone knows dart and google are dogshit
2021-03-13T00:03:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's interesting how when you search for "turd programming language" the first result is the "D programming language"
2021-03-13T00:03:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Javascript implemented in Rust wen
2021-03-13T00:03:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lmao
2021-03-13T00:04:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Though firefox is basically "javascript implemented in rust"
2021-03-13T00:04:50 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-03-13T00:07:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> eggies have been prepared
2021-03-13T00:07:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i burned one side of them though :/
2021-03-13T00:07:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> eggs aren't vegan :(((
2021-03-13T00:08:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you chicken killer
2021-03-13T00:08:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> j/k, vegans are idiots
2021-03-13T00:09:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao sod off :>
2021-03-13T00:09:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> the suffering of other creatures nourishes me
2021-03-13T00:09:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> die, that I might live
2021-03-13T00:09:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> omnomnomnom
2021-03-13T00:09:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have cheese in my eggs too, does that make me like
2021-03-13T00:10:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> an animal rapist or something
2021-03-13T00:10:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lol
2021-03-13T00:10:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> peta tried to push that I think
2021-03-13T00:10:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> well tbf the way cows are forced to make milk for human consumption is via rape racks
2021-03-13T00:10:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> so
2021-03-13T00:10:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> fisting ?
2021-03-13T00:11:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah it it pretty screwed
2021-03-13T00:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence why I only buy from muh locally-owned free range
2021-03-13T00:11:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> goodbye, me
2021-03-13T00:12:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gotta drink soy milk then
2021-03-13T00:12:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2021-03-13T00:12:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> soy belongs on my rice and that's about it for me
2021-03-13T00:12:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> oat is the better milk alternative tbh
2021-03-13T00:13:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl idc
2021-03-13T00:13:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> i know you dont
2021-03-13T00:13:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> im not talking to you
2021-03-13T00:13:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> :>
2021-03-13T00:13:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair
2021-03-13T00:14:17 #kisslinux <merakor> necromansy: definitely almond duh
2021-03-13T00:14:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> bleugh lmao
2021-03-13T00:14:45 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> Ooh absolutely
2021-03-13T00:16:49 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm just kidding, I never actually tried oat milk.
2021-03-13T00:17:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> the barista ones are good
2021-03-13T00:17:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> they steam really well
2021-03-13T00:18:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> i dont really have milk much aside from with coffees i buy so thats pre much the only thing i find important
2021-03-13T00:19:18 #kisslinux <merakor> I usually don't drink coffee with milk, I only use it with cereals
2021-03-13T00:19:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there's also vegetal coffee whiteners, spares you from the animal mistreatment
2021-03-13T00:19:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> coffee whiteners must be like a US thing
2021-03-13T00:19:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hmm, though actually if i was a cow i'd prefer to be milked over being butchered
2021-03-13T00:19:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> never seen 'em before
2021-03-13T00:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> you get to be milked and THEN butchered
2021-03-13T00:20:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> best of both worlds
2021-03-13T00:20:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> an oat milk would go pre well wtih ceral
2021-03-13T00:20:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> heh
2021-03-13T00:20:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah most milk cows dont get butchered
2021-03-13T00:20:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> diff industrries
2021-03-13T00:20:51 #kisslinux <merakor> They are butchered as cheap meat
2021-03-13T00:21:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a good milk cow will be sent to a senior retreat after the milk runs out, i guess
2021-03-13T00:24:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah the hamburger retreat
2021-03-13T00:25:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> hamburger retreat you say
2021-03-13T00:25:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that next to the bacon beach?
2021-03-13T00:29:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> factory livestock farming is pretty gruesome.  the local guys do it a lot nicer, but there's no way they'd be able to produce enough to satisfy current consumer demands without that factory framework unfortunately
2021-03-13T00:29:57 #kisslinux <merakor> The industry is revolved around maximising profit over animal bodies. They are trying so hard to paint the "we are the good guys" picture, but they are lobbying hard to ban vegan alternatives, and they are lobbying hard for laws that prohibit recording agriculture farms
2021-03-13T00:29:58 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> granola in oat milk: oaty oats 👌
2021-03-13T00:30:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> merakor, oh? the WHO is currently doing their best to lobby against meat consumption
2021-03-13T00:31:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> meat is EVIL, it produces CANCER
2021-03-13T00:32:15 #kisslinux <merakor> WHO is the exception rather than the rule
2021-03-13T00:32:29 #kisslinux <merakor> They aren't even lobbying
2021-03-13T00:32:52 #kisslinux <merakor> I am talking about lobbying for laws both on EU and US
2021-03-13T00:33:02 #kisslinux <merakor> Check out Ag-gag for instance
2021-03-13T00:33:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what's that
2021-03-13T00:33:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> crackdowns on Big Ag whistleblowers
2021-03-13T00:34:10 #kisslinux <merakor> Ag-gag is a law on USA that prohibits whistle-blowing against Agriculture industry
2021-03-13T00:34:51 #kisslinux <merakor> It is literally illegal to film or show footage of US farms
2021-03-13T00:34:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah, funny. though i'd think that's mainly to protect monsanto interests
2021-03-13T00:35:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, we certainly dont put that poisonous stuff on our crops
2021-03-13T00:35:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> monsanto just sues the shit out of anyone within in a fifty kilometer radius of their farms
2021-03-13T00:35:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> they don't need gag laws to protect their interests lmao
2021-03-13T00:36:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> within in. amazing grammers
2021-03-13T00:36:46 #kisslinux <merakor> There is also Amendment 171, which basically aims to ban calling vegan milk "milk".
2021-03-13T00:37:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, it's not milk
2021-03-13T00:37:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> signed by yours truly joe biden ?
2021-03-13T00:37:19 #kisslinux <merakor> That's true, but it also doesn't allow to say "it's not milk"
2021-03-13T00:37:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> just call it a "milk alternative"
2021-03-13T00:37:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is what it is
2021-03-13T00:37:48 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-13T00:37:50 #kisslinux <merakor> The law prohibits that also
2021-03-13T00:37:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> see that's dumb
2021-03-13T00:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I Can't Believe It's Not Milk:tm: should totally be allowed to be a thing
2021-03-13T00:38:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> btw is the guy who maintains kiss-games in here?
2021-03-13T00:38:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> if so cataclysm-dda needs cmake to be added to the depends
2021-03-13T00:39:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> isnt that guy claudia
2021-03-13T00:39:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it?
2021-03-13T00:39:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yes
2021-03-13T00:39:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool. i'll have to let them know next time I run into them
2021-03-13T00:39:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> now she will be offended
2021-03-13T00:39:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> tough
2021-03-13T00:40:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> coz muh pronouns
2021-03-13T00:41:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> god, I hate cmake so much
2021-03-13T00:41:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it takes longer to build than gcc
2021-03-13T00:41:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the hell is it doing that requires it take so long???
2021-03-13T00:41:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> compiling millions of lines of C++
2021-03-13T00:42:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah no shit
2021-03-13T00:42:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like, why
2021-03-13T00:42:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> good question
2021-03-13T00:43:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> compiling cmake in qemu-mips takes like 12 hours
2021-03-13T00:43:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lua like 20 secs
2021-03-13T00:44:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the 12 hours were 2012ish btw
2021-03-13T00:45:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i doubt one could even compile it these days since qemu-system-mips can't handle more than 512 megs of ram
2021-03-13T00:45:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> how far MIPS has fallen
2021-03-13T00:45:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> why, in its day, it was the premier ISA for graphics workstations
2021-03-13T00:45:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and now look
2021-03-13T00:45:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> reduced to budget routers
2021-03-13T00:46:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> shameful display
2021-03-13T00:46:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's also got a super inefficient ABI
2021-03-13T00:47:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> everything needs to be PIC, no tail-calls...
2021-03-13T00:47:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dalias is constantly complaining about work-arounds for mips idiocy in musl
2021-03-13T02:35:40 #kisslinux <omanom> so i put kiss on an old Dell Inspiron and am playing around with how far i can go before breaking down and installing a browser
2021-03-13T02:36:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> install lynx
2021-03-13T02:36:45 #kisslinux <omanom> kind of cheating, though... i have a win10 vm that i was going to use as the browser "host"
2021-03-13T02:39:52 #kisslinux <omanom> ffmpeg can pull in sound by having the Scream audio stuff installed on the VM, and then vnc for the visual portion
2021-03-13T02:40:37 #kisslinux <omanom> i tried x11 forwarding but it's just not as performant as vnc.  i tried through virtualbox's VRDE interface too but it requires RDP and installing that in KISS is a bit of an annoyance
2021-03-13T02:43:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what's speaking against using a linux browser
2021-03-13T02:44:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> sh4rm4^bnc: lol mostly unrelated, but isn't mips also the one with the fucked up errno on linux?
2021-03-13T02:44:54 #kisslinux <E5ten> like multiple decades ago or something someone typoed one of the errno values too high so now it just has to remain that way
2021-03-13T02:45:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> musl has to map it to a lower number and then map back to deal with it, to avoid making a massive array for strerror
2021-03-13T02:45:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i dont recall that one, but it's certainly possible...
2021-03-13T02:45:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> http://git.musl-libc.org/cgit/musl/tree/src/errno/strerror.c yeah I found it, right near the top
2021-03-13T02:45:57 #kisslinux <omanom> the usual suspects for me.  amazon prime / netflix / etc that don't work well or at all on linux browsers
2021-03-13T02:46:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> E5ten, heh, good find
2021-03-13T02:46:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> omanom, oh? so far i've all sites working on my palemoon
2021-03-13T02:47:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> though i dont use netflix
2021-03-13T02:47:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> actually i use nothing one needs to pay for
2021-03-13T02:47:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> torrentz ftw
2021-03-13T02:48:05 #kisslinux <omanom> also then i'd have to build the browser
2021-03-13T02:48:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> isnt there a firefox-bin package in community
2021-03-13T02:49:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn uploaded a binary on repo-main releases
2021-03-13T02:49:21 #kisslinux <omanom> oh did he?  with alsa support?
2021-03-13T02:49:27 #kisslinux <omanom> i missed that if so
2021-03-13T02:50:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/releases/download/2021.3-1/firefox⊙80tg
2021-03-13T02:51:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm sorry, I really need to work on repo-bin
2021-03-13T02:53:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should build bins of my stuff, too, actually.
2021-03-13T03:11:43 #kisslinux <omanom> kiss i that binary still tries to build a bunch of stuff
2021-03-13T03:13:17 #kisslinux <omanom> ERROR /tmp/firefox⊙80tg Package requires 'atk', 'gdk-pixbuf', 'gtk+3', 'libXcomposite', 'libXi'
2021-03-13T03:13:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> you still need the deps to run the binary obvs
2021-03-13T03:14:18 #kisslinux <omanom> not obvs, i didn't know if they were bundled like a static binary would have
2021-03-13T03:14:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd argue that if it doesn't say it's static, it's not static
2021-03-13T03:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but w/e
2021-03-13T03:15:13 #kisslinux <omanom> fair point.  and it gets past the PITA build of rust so it's certainly a big help
2021-03-13T03:17:30 #kisslinux <travankor> re mips: yeelong announced a whole new line of mips processors
2021-03-13T03:17:58 #kisslinux <travankor> "ryzen compatible performance" was the advertising schtick lol
2021-03-13T03:18:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> >ryzen compatible performance
2021-03-13T03:18:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-13T03:19:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> in order to get same perf than x86 mips needs to run at 2x the clock rate, with all the BS in their ISA and ABI
2021-03-13T03:20:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> behold, glorious 10ghz 128core MIPS chip
2021-03-13T03:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> ryzenlets absolutely DESTROYED
2021-03-13T03:21:17 #kisslinux <travankor> kek
2021-03-13T03:22:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> one of the best cpu designs around is sh4; i wonder why everyone is like ZOMG RISCV instead of j-core
2021-03-13T03:22:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably because nobody has ever heard of it
2021-03-13T03:22:54 #kisslinux <travankor> is that the japanese isa?
2021-03-13T03:23:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> well it's made by hitachi
2021-03-13T03:23:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> so i'd assume so
2021-03-13T03:23:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, it's been in one of the sega consoles, dreamcast iirc
2021-03-13T03:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> 32x and saturn
2021-03-13T03:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like there are already open variants of it available
2021-03-13T03:24:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH#J_Core
2021-03-13T03:24:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, landley worked on it, dalias did the kernel integration and toolchain support stuff
2021-03-13T03:24:52 #kisslinux <omanom> sega dreamcast was underrated imo
2021-03-13T03:25:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> dreamcast was massively underrated
2021-03-13T03:25:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> easily two or three generations ahead of everyone else
2021-03-13T03:26:06 #kisslinux <omanom> i have mine still, the laser isn't working though
2021-03-13T03:28:27 #kisslinux <travankor> i kind of want one now
2021-03-13T03:29:28 #kisslinux <travankor> what went wrong with SEGA?
2021-03-13T03:29:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> sonic
2021-03-13T03:30:12 #kisslinux <omanom> i actually didn't mind Sonic Adventure at first, the whole chao stuff was a step too far though
2021-03-13T03:35:46 #kisslinux <travankor> darn hedgehogs and flying vulpines
2021-03-13T03:37:09 #kisslinux <travankor> http://0x0.st/-ZY2.png
2021-03-13T03:37:26 #kisslinux <travankor> i love old genesis games with this aesthetic
2021-03-13T03:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> very aesthetic
2021-03-13T03:40:02 #kisslinux <omanom> i remember being fascinated with vectorman lol
2021-03-13T03:40:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even know if you can build a static firefox...
2021-03-13T03:40:49 #kisslinux <omanom> you probably can't, i don't know why i assumed it was
2021-03-13T03:41:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> would be pretty tight tho
2021-03-13T03:41:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what would be better
2021-03-13T03:41:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> static nuegia browser
2021-03-13T03:42:04 #kisslinux <omanom> if X11 Forwarding wasn't so freaking slow i'd be fine with just running it remotely
2021-03-13T03:44:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-03-13T03:47:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> calm down there dilyn
2021-03-13T03:52:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> will this satisfy chira http://ix.io/2SDm
2021-03-13T03:53:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> git add .; git commit -sm "don't assume users have standard tools" lel
2021-03-13T03:53:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> ack they're not here! how will they hear my cheeky joke now
2021-03-13T03:54:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> should just rewrite your init scripts with filesystem-specific checkers
2021-03-13T03:54:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-13T03:54:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm dead
2021-03-13T03:54:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm dead and mid has killed me
2021-03-13T03:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm serious
2021-03-13T03:54:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:V
2021-03-13T03:54:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> fight me, initlet
2021-03-13T03:55:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw i haven't used baseinit in a year
2021-03-13T03:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, I don't either
2021-03-13T03:55:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something hummingbird
2021-03-13T03:57:25 #kisslinux <travankor> dilyn s6 gang?
2021-03-13T03:57:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> gangang
2021-03-13T03:57:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> fscking cringe
2021-03-13T03:57:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-13T03:57:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> except for some reason one of my init scripts doesn't work and /home isn't mounted :(
2021-03-13T03:58:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I said
2021-03-13T03:58:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> initlet
2021-03-13T03:59:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> `exec mount -a` doesn't even do it xD I feel like / gets remounted which causes them to unmount because s6-rc reports it runs the script but I don't know why it would get remounted at that point and /dev /proc /sys aren't unmounted /shrug
2021-03-13T03:59:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm offended that my song suggestion wasn't taken
2021-03-13T03:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila>  acheam I'm cancelling yo
2021-03-13T03:59:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> u
2021-03-13T04:08:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> you http://ix.io/2SDt versus the guy she tells you not to worry about http://ix.io/2SDs
2021-03-13T04:09:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm in this photo and I don't like it
2021-03-13T04:12:05 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: bruh it was up for a full day
2021-03-13T04:12:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> too late
2021-03-13T04:12:28 #kisslinux <acheam> song of the *day*
2021-03-13T04:20:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> -ffunction-sections without -Wl,-gc-sections ?
2021-03-13T04:21:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> not a flag for llvm
2021-03-13T04:22:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> unclear if ffunctions-sections does anything in this case, i haven't looked it up yet
2021-03-13T04:28:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> jk i'm actually brain damaged
2021-03-13T04:28:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had a massive anneurism when checking lld's output for gc-sections smh it should be in there ty
2021-03-13T08:25:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-13T08:26:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> hello
2021-03-13T08:26:11 #kisslinux <travankor> hoi
2021-03-13T08:29:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> hOI
2021-03-13T09:41:39 #kisslinux <chira> hi, dilyn, thats ok didnt want booting to crap out mid boot
2021-03-13T09:42:27 #kisslinux <chira> and didnt want to carry patch just for that
2021-03-13T09:43:33 #kisslinux <chira> ffs im not against fscking mid :) just saying if you rip out bb, have no toybox/util-linux, youll run into that issue
2021-03-13T09:44:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> never said you were :p
2021-03-13T09:44:55 #kisslinux <chira> ok im sorry i misunderstood
2021-03-13T09:45:13 #kisslinux <chira> but thanks will check out the hummingbird-init
2021-03-13T09:45:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pretty fast
2021-03-13T09:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i usually pair it with sysmgr
2021-03-13T09:46:03 #kisslinux <chira> ok thanks will try both
2021-03-13T09:49:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://a.pomf.cat/voqvxx.png
2021-03-13T09:49:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> a e s t h e t i c wallpaper
2021-03-13T09:50:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, wow, finally got around to implementing proper alt-tabbing in my fvwm config and holy crap
2021-03-13T09:50:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't know how I went without it for so long
2021-03-13T09:51:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> alt-tabbing is surprisingly useful
2021-03-13T09:51:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> im fine without it tho
2021-03-13T09:51:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know it's kind of heretical to utter this, but I wouldn't mind extending my task switching function to be similar to windows
2021-03-13T09:51:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, so that you can alt-tab between the current and previously active window with just a tap
2021-03-13T09:51:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> or you can keep tapping to switch to a different window
2021-03-13T09:52:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> might have to write a patch for FVWM actually...
2021-03-13T09:52:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> for some reason it treats Super as a regular key and not a modifier
2021-03-13T09:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that bugs the ever-living hell out of me
2021-03-13T10:04:12 #kisslinux <travankor> based fvwm
2021-03-13T10:04:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> FVWM is unbelievably based
2021-03-13T10:04:44 #kisslinux <travankor> dabs on the win key
2021-03-13T10:04:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> it feels too heavy for my tastes
2021-03-13T10:04:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> >fvwm
2021-03-13T10:05:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> >too heavy
2021-03-13T10:05:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> excuse me what
2021-03-13T10:05:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> ye
2021-03-13T10:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> bruh
2021-03-13T10:05:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> im legit using mcpcpc's xwm unmodified
2021-03-13T10:05:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> it uses less than 10mb on its own
2021-03-13T10:05:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have to go wild with fvwmbuttons and shit to exceed that
2021-03-13T10:05:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh i mean feature wise
2021-03-13T10:06:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> fvwm doesn't really have any features built-in tho
2021-03-13T10:06:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> just a scripting language
2021-03-13T10:06:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> which i dont need
2021-03-13T10:06:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> lol
2021-03-13T10:06:41 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-13T10:09:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> if it werent for the browser + being able to easily view multiple PDFS + images on xorg
2021-03-13T10:09:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> i could proooobably transition to framebuffer
2021-03-13T10:09:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> for images you can use fbv
2021-03-13T10:10:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh i know how to
2021-03-13T10:10:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure about viewing pdf on the framebuffer
2021-03-13T10:10:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> its less how and more *viewing many*
2021-03-13T10:10:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> just spawn more ttys smh
2021-03-13T10:10:26 #kisslinux <travankor> ^
2021-03-13T10:10:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> psh on the one screen thanks
2021-03-13T10:10:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> sacrifices must be made on the altar of minimalism
2021-03-13T10:11:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> soy for the soy god
2021-03-13T10:14:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> sacrifices im currently unwilling to make :P
2021-03-13T10:15:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> what are you, some kind of non-purist
2021-03-13T10:15:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-03-13T10:15:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> some kind of SHILL
2021-03-13T10:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> next thing I know you'll be using KDE and systemd
2021-03-13T10:16:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> might just move to mac next
2021-03-13T10:16:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking NORMIE
2021-03-13T10:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> get out of my channel
2021-03-13T10:16:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2021-03-13T10:17:24 #kisslinux <travankor> time to /kickban
2021-03-13T10:18:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> kek
2021-03-13T10:19:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, on that note
2021-03-13T10:19:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think I'm going to take a nap
2021-03-13T10:19:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't burn this place down without me
2021-03-13T11:33:44 #kisslinux <aarng> necromansy: define easily, because you can probably convert pdfs to images quite easily and generally use mpv as image viewer, even with framebuffer
2021-03-13T11:34:03 #kisslinux <aarng> leaves only browser -.-
2021-03-13T11:38:17 #kisslinux <travankor> netsurf-fb
2021-03-13T11:38:26 #kisslinux <travankor> done :D
2021-03-13T11:45:56 #kisslinux <aarng> I fell like if you don't surf websites which straight up don't work in netsurf because of js, you might as well use a text-mode browser
2021-03-13T11:46:16 #kisslinux <aarng> feel*
2021-03-13T11:50:01 #kisslinux <travankor> well, that's just, like, your opinion, man
2021-03-13T11:50:23 #kisslinux <travankor> netsurf is eventually going to have some form of js support, too
2021-03-13T11:50:34 #kisslinux <travankor> :p
2021-03-13T11:51:16 #kisslinux <travankor> I use links as well, might try the rest laster
2021-03-13T11:51:40 #kisslinux <travankor> s/rest laster/rest of the text-mode browsers later/
2021-03-13T11:51:41 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> I use links as well, might try the rest of the text-mode browsers later
2021-03-13T11:55:21 #kisslinux <aarng> more js support would be cool
2021-03-13T11:56:07 #kisslinux <aarng> I like w3m the most, its keybinds feel the best to me
2021-03-13T11:56:52 #kisslinux <aarng> lynx renders websites better but it's control scheme sucks
2021-03-13T12:27:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> aarng: only problem is i dont think you can get images to not take control of the fb display
2021-03-13T12:28:03 #kisslinux <aarng> as in mpv always being at the front?
2021-03-13T12:28:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> and yeah
2021-03-13T12:28:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> *yeah
2021-03-13T12:28:25 #kisslinux <aarng> I think I could switch ttys while mpv was running
2021-03-13T12:28:32 #kisslinux <aarng> been a while, so not sure
2021-03-13T12:28:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah you can switch ttys with all framebuffer tools
2021-03-13T12:28:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> same with fbgs/fbi
2021-03-13T12:29:01 #kisslinux <aarng> yeh it's not great but I think I could live with that
2021-03-13T12:29:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> im looking for something akin to multiple windows with a terminal multiplier
2021-03-13T12:29:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> but yeah worst case scenario is use multiple ttys akin to workspaces
2021-03-13T12:33:19 #kisslinux <aarng> not sure if that's even technically possible
2021-03-13T12:33:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> might be with sdl
2021-03-13T12:34:22 #kisslinux <aarng> true
2021-03-13T12:34:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> you can run mpv with the tct video out to get text rendering in terminal
2021-03-13T12:34:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> but im having troubles getting the sdl video driver to work in framebuffer
2021-03-13T12:36:59 #kisslinux <aarng> can't help with that
2021-03-13T12:37:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah dw it seems to be a pretty obscure problem in general
2021-03-13T12:37:22 #kisslinux <aarng> I used to run ioquake3 in a framebuffer which used sdl, but I didn't have to do anything special iirc
2021-03-13T12:38:09 #kisslinux <aarng> playing DeFRaG without a dedicated gpu in a framebuffer :)
2021-03-13T13:52:15 #kisslinux <merakor> > CAUTION: This subsubsection has been reported to cause headaches. You might want to skip it upon first reading.
2021-03-13T13:52:20 #kisslinux <merakor> from gawk manual
2021-03-13T13:52:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> yikes
2021-03-13T13:53:15 #kisslinux <merakor> I should have taken it seriously, it really did give me a headache.
2021-03-13T13:54:02 #kisslinux <merakor> https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Gory-Details.html
2021-03-13T13:54:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Last time I saw this many backslashes I was a Windows user
2021-03-13T13:56:40 #kisslinux <merakor> The above page is 'info "(gawk)Gory Details"' if you don't think info pages suck
2021-03-13T13:57:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> jesus
2021-03-13T14:02:09 #kisslinux <travankor> b-but m-multidimensional arrays!
2021-03-13T14:02:40 #kisslinux <travankor> https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Arrays-of-Arrays.html
2021-03-13T14:02:59 #kisslinux <travankor> not sure why else you would use gawk
2021-03-13T14:03:52 #kisslinux <merakor> I am not using gawk, but I think gawk manual is one of the best resources for learning awk.
2021-03-13T14:04:07 #kisslinux <merakor> Plus, I am trying to convert a gawk script to awk, and I don't know what some functions do.
2021-03-13T14:04:54 #kisslinux <travankor> that sounds painful tbh
2021-03-13T14:05:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, my understanding of awk is really bad too.
2021-03-13T14:06:17 #kisslinux <merakor> I am just pushing this hard because I do want to learn more about it.
2021-03-13T14:12:31 #kisslinux <aarng> > not sure why else you would use gawk
2021-03-13T14:12:53 #kisslinux <aarng> I'd say sorting arrays and regex backrefs are nice
2021-03-13T14:13:30 #kisslinux <aarng> not worth giving up portability for that though
2021-03-13T14:14:30 #kisslinux <merakor> X is nice, but not worth giving up portability should be the GNU motto
2021-03-13T14:14:45 #kisslinux <aarng> lmao
2021-03-13T14:16:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Perhaps only GNU make is the exception I can make
2021-03-13T14:18:07 #kisslinux <merakor> You know what, I am not making that exception either, my point stands
2021-03-13T14:18:57 #kisslinux <merakor> ifeq's are nice but most projects shouldn't be needing it.
2021-03-13T14:30:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> merakor, https://doc.lagout.org/programmation/AWK/The_AWK_Programming_Language_-_Aho%2C_Weinberger%2C_Kernighan.pdf
2021-03-13T14:31:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no better resource to learn a PL than from book written by its author
2021-03-13T14:31:45 #kisslinux <merakor> sh4rm4^bnc: Thanks, I completely forgot about this book's existence
2021-03-13T14:33:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> awk seems kinda awkward at first, but it's quite powerful. nsz wrote a youtube-dl program in it a couple years ago
2021-03-13T14:34:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> who's nsz
2021-03-13T14:34:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the guy who wrote musl's math library
2021-03-13T14:34:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> http://repo.hu/projects/yget/
2021-03-13T14:34:35 #kisslinux <merakor> Yup, I really do need some practice.
2021-03-13T14:37:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'd recommend to read yget source once a basic understanding is established, to learn all the tricks of a master
2021-03-13T14:40:30 #kisslinux <merakor2> Thanks for the tips, really appreciate it
2021-03-13T14:41:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yw
2021-03-13T14:48:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> "When version 4.0.0 was released, the gawk maintainer made the POSIX rules the default, breaking well over a decade’s worth of backward compatibility." how dare *checks notes* this GNU project author ruin backwords compatibility
2021-03-13T14:50:31 #kisslinux <merakor> How dare you make my program POSIX-compliant
2021-03-13T14:51:40 #kisslinux <merakor> How can we say Gnu's Not UNIX if you make it compliant
2021-03-13T14:51:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> *sad hurd noises*
2021-03-13T14:52:44 #kisslinux * merakor cries in dumpster fire GNU projects
2021-03-13T14:55:59 #kisslinux <merakor> There are always interesting projects on gnu.org/software
2021-03-13T14:56:26 #kisslinux <merakor> Such as the self-aware GNU software called 'complexity'
2021-03-13T15:14:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> interesting. i find gnu lightning quite exciting. it can generate machine code (jit) for about 12 archs from a single input
2021-03-13T15:16:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> this could be used to make a simple c compiler like cproc support most archs that musl supports
2021-03-13T15:25:28 #kisslinux <danteissaias> dilyn: how does git.k1sslinux.org work i want to setup something similar, do you just push to 2 remotes every time?
2021-03-13T15:27:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `git push --mirror` ?
2021-03-13T15:27:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and its running stagit
2021-03-13T15:29:05 #kisslinux <merakor2> Dylan used to mirror github to stagit
2021-03-13T15:29:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> one can also put more than one url into a remote section in .git/config
2021-03-13T15:29:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i use this to push to github and codeberg at the same time
2021-03-13T15:30:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-13T15:30:24 #kisslinux <danteissaias> cool
2021-03-13T15:45:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its just pulling every once and a while
2021-03-13T15:45:29 #kisslinux <acheam> but idk
2021-03-13T15:45:34 #kisslinux <acheam> thats how I run mine
2021-03-13T17:05:02 #kisslinux <haversham> test
2021-03-13T17:05:22 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> failer
2021-03-13T17:05:24 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> failed
2021-03-13T17:06:17 #kisslinux <haversham> when you change nickname does freenode automatically register the new nickname to your account
2021-03-13T17:07:12 #kisslinux <haversham> test
2021-03-13T17:14:12 #kisslinux <haversham> ok perfect
2021-03-13T18:47:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what
2021-03-13T19:20:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> nani
2021-03-13T19:20:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> nick change dorifto?