2021-03-17T00:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm... I wonder if I could print keycaps for my model M
2021-03-17T00:16:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> that'd be a really cool project
2021-03-17T00:23:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> you should be able to as long as you have the right dimensions for the part that connects to the switch :P
2021-03-17T00:23:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the weird thing about the model M
2021-03-17T00:23:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> the keycaps and keystems are seperate parts
2021-03-17T00:24:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> keystems, thats the word,
2021-03-17T00:24:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> and yeah?
2021-03-17T00:24:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> M'hm.
2021-03-17T00:24:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> i thought they were together
2021-03-17T00:24:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> huh
2021-03-17T00:24:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> Model Fs and Selectrics, too
2021-03-17T00:24:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh neat
2021-03-17T00:24:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> the idea was that you would buy keycap collections from IBM and then customize your keyboard for whatever application you were using it for
2021-03-17T00:24:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> OH
2021-03-17T00:24:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-03-17T00:24:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> right makes sense
2021-03-17T00:25:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want to make keycaps inspired by the old BBC Micro
2021-03-17T00:25:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> model M's look dope but god damn they're way too big for me
2021-03-17T00:25:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh if you think the standard is too big look up the M122
2021-03-17T00:25:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've got one of those :P
2021-03-17T00:25:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao yeah ive seen those
2021-03-17T00:25:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> big fuckers
2021-03-17T00:25:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine is a silver-badged battleship
2021-03-17T00:25:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> pog
2021-03-17T00:25:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> Got it for cheap, refurb'd it
2021-03-17T00:26:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> to give you an idea of how way too big for me that is
2021-03-17T00:26:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> im using a 50% ortho atm
2021-03-17T00:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> disgusting
2021-03-17T00:26:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> :>
2021-03-17T00:26:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't live without my extra function blocks and numpad
2021-03-17T00:26:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> i seriously never used them on full size keebs
2021-03-17T00:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use mine all the time
2021-03-17T00:28:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> yyeah i mean if you do, a big board is deffo good
2021-03-17T00:29:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> M'hm
2021-03-17T00:29:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> But yeah, I want to outfit mine with rounded keycaps inspired by the BBC Micro
2021-03-17T00:29:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe with a resin finish if I got real fancy
2021-03-17T00:29:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> thatd be pre dope
2021-03-17T00:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> verily so
2021-03-17T00:30:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm trying to go for a sort of retro-futurist vibe
2021-03-17T00:39:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> 50% keyboards are absolute insanity
2021-03-17T00:39:48 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: nice, thats what I'm building right now!
2021-03-17T00:39:54 #kisslinux <acheam> except mine is split-ish
2021-03-17T00:39:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, tkl I get
2021-03-17T00:40:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> even 70% I understand and vibe with
2021-03-17T00:40:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> but... 50%??
2021-03-17T00:40:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> dilyn: not rly, the essentials are there
2021-03-17T00:40:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> like
2021-03-17T00:40:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> bruh where your hands gonna go
2021-03-17T00:40:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> on the home row bruh
2021-03-17T00:40:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T00:40:39 #kisslinux <acheam> love that homerow
2021-03-17T00:40:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine actually resting your fingers on the homerow
2021-03-17T00:40:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> gives me cramps like hell
2021-03-17T00:40:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> if my hands aren't flying across my keyboard as I furiously type my diatribes, am I even using a computer?
2021-03-17T00:41:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> exactly
2021-03-17T00:41:10 #kisslinux <acheam> hunt and peck ftw
2021-03-17T00:41:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> but also fuck function keys and macros and insert/print/home/end/delete
2021-03-17T00:41:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> hunt and peck unironically gives me conniptions
2021-03-17T00:41:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> what I want is a compressed numpad attached to a 70%
2021-03-17T00:42:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I kind of wish I'd never used a 122
2021-03-17T00:42:13 #kisslinux <acheam> so.... a full size keyboard
2021-03-17T00:42:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> its not amazing but i get a pre breezy 78-84 WPM on this keeb
2021-03-17T00:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I can't stand other keyboards now
2021-03-17T00:42:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-17T00:42:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think my record for burst speed is around 110
2021-03-17T00:42:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> nice
2021-03-17T00:42:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> my burst is ~95 iirc?
2021-03-17T00:42:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I usually average around 70-80 when I'm just relaxing
2021-03-17T00:43:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> you are like babby
2021-03-17T00:43:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i have shit tier accuracy so i canstantly slow down
2021-03-17T00:43:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> need to shit-talk more in video games
2021-03-17T00:43:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> the faster you can type the less often you die, you know
2021-03-17T00:43:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> i thought a fast typer was a quicker death
2021-03-17T00:43:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> no, explicitly NOT a full sized keyboard
2021-03-17T00:44:12 #kisslinux <acheam> but... how's it different
2021-03-17T00:44:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i imagine he means 70% keycaps
2021-03-17T00:44:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> because it doesn't have f1 et al, arrow keys, insert/pageup/etc
2021-03-17T00:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of the same size as the alphanum block
2021-03-17T00:44:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-03-17T00:44:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sounds disgusting
2021-03-17T00:44:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I want a 70% with a numpad
2021-03-17T00:44:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> no offense dilyn
2021-03-17T00:44:39 #kisslinux <acheam> ah okay
2021-03-17T00:44:41 #kisslinux <acheam> weird
2021-03-17T00:44:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's exactly what I need lmao
2021-03-17T00:44:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads just teach themselves to use a mouse with their left hand
2021-03-17T00:44:56 #kisslinux <acheam> just setup a keybinding to turn the alpha keys into a numpad
2021-03-17T00:45:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I never use function keys, but i can't blindly touch-type numbers well enough
2021-03-17T00:45:10 #kisslinux <acheam> reject mouse, accept trackpoint
2021-03-17T00:45:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> even after fifteen years :|
2021-03-17T00:45:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> become ambidextrous and destroy the keyboardlets
2021-03-17T00:45:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm thinking of making a modified workman
2021-03-17T00:45:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> replace the numerics in the alphanum with just symbols
2021-03-17T00:46:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> alternative keyboard layouts are interesting but when I'm typing fast enough the layout never really matters
2021-03-17T00:46:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> my fingers end up resting on the major keys anyways
2021-03-17T00:46:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I'm more concerned with ergonomics
2021-03-17T00:46:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> meh
2021-03-17T00:46:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuk ergo
2021-03-17T00:46:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> gimme arthritis daddy
2021-03-17T00:46:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive found that muscle memory gives me enough efficiency with qwerty atm
2021-03-17T00:46:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> crush my wrists harder
2021-03-17T01:04:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh wow sick
2021-03-17T01:05:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> github had a bug that caused repositories that used github actions to become potentially exposed to modifications by users without write permissions to the repository
2021-03-17T01:05:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I love it
2021-03-17T01:06:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> this bug existed from FEBRUARY FOURTH to the FIFTH
2021-03-17T01:06:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> why did it take six weeks to inform users? who tf knows!
2021-03-17T01:06:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lol muh CI
2021-03-17T01:08:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> what the fuck lol
2021-03-17T01:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it took that long because of microshit
2021-03-17T01:08:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> change my mind
2021-03-17T01:11:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T01:11:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> good thing we have github.com/kisslinux/repo to fall back on in that case HUH
2021-03-17T01:12:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> ezclap
2021-03-17T01:13:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what'd be better
2021-03-17T01:13:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> if we had git.k1sslinux.org
2021-03-17T01:18:44 #kisslinux <acheam> proprietary systems shouldn't power open source godliness
2021-03-17T01:18:46 #kisslinux <acheam> smh
2021-03-17T01:21:28 #kisslinux <dgre> dilyn, acheam: why not codeberg?
2021-03-17T01:22:30 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre: I like codeberg
2021-03-17T01:22:33 #kisslinux <acheam> Used to use it
2021-03-17T01:22:47 #kisslinux <dgre> well then use it
2021-03-17T01:22:56 #kisslinux <dgre> instead of microsoft github
2021-03-17T01:23:06 #kisslinux <dgre> arent you contradicting yourself
2021-03-17T01:26:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> nah
2021-03-17T01:26:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> anyone is free to use git.k1sslinux.org and submit patches via email
2021-03-17T01:26:26 #kisslinux <dgre> 'nah' how
2021-03-17T01:26:32 #kisslinux <dgre> if youre gonna have a mirror make it good
2021-03-17T01:26:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T01:27:04 #kisslinux <dgre> i mean come on
2021-03-17T01:27:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm still thinking about it
2021-03-17T01:27:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean my issue is that it's Yet Another Account
2021-03-17T01:28:15 #kisslinux <acheam> that's not an issue with a sourcehut instance, just saying
2021-03-17T01:28:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah but ddevault wins if we got sr.ht
2021-03-17T01:28:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> sounds like the problem is that you have too many accounts dilyn
2021-03-17T01:29:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have almost no accounts
2021-03-17T01:29:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have no problems changing services
2021-03-17T01:29:10 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't have to be sr.ht
2021-03-17T01:29:35 #kisslinux <acheam> but the alternative to sr.ht is self hosting
2021-03-17T01:29:46 #kisslinux <acheam> argh the whole reason we got a bdfl was to *avoid* these conversations
2021-03-17T01:29:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-03-17T01:29:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> y'all can always try to convince me
2021-03-17T01:30:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> It's a constant debate I have in the back of my mind. This whole github security email has the gears churning a little harder
2021-03-17T01:30:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, MS+shitty customer relations practices+shitty security practices+is a turn off to the kinds of people who would otherwise contribute
2021-03-17T01:31:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> versus... what?
2021-03-17T01:31:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> "name recognition"?
2021-03-17T01:31:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> github has ubiquity other services lack
2021-03-17T01:31:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> if a user is hesitant to contribute because shithub(tm) they are always welcome to submit patches via email
2021-03-17T01:31:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> >shithub
2021-03-17T01:31:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh wow, based
2021-03-17T01:31:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T01:32:01 #kisslinux <acheam> keep in mind that there would still be a github mirror of the project
2021-03-17T01:32:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong
2021-03-17T01:32:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not against having it available
2021-03-17T01:32:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just don't think we should be relying on microsoft in any way
2021-03-17T01:34:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> there isn't much in the way of reliance on microsft tho
2021-03-17T01:34:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> any is too much
2021-03-17T01:34:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> you aren't purity-spiralling hard enough
2021-03-17T01:42:44 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: how so?
2021-03-17T01:42:55 #kisslinux <acheam> we rely on them for our repo hosting
2021-03-17T01:44:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> shithub is a thing
2021-03-17T01:44:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's a git hosting on plan9
2021-03-17T01:44:22 #kisslinux <dgre> "you can always contribute through mail!"
2021-03-17T01:44:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the "fragrant git provider"
2021-03-17T01:44:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh my god
2021-03-17T01:44:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's amazing
2021-03-17T01:44:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> sauce plox
2021-03-17T01:44:45 #kisslinux <dgre> i think you are treating shithub like your main git host
2021-03-17T01:45:07 #kisslinux <dgre> if you drag on about how you have git.k1sslinux.org and all
2021-03-17T01:45:11 #kisslinux <dgre> how about you make those the main repos
2021-03-17T01:45:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I'm saying
2021-03-17T01:45:32 #kisslinux <dgre> having to associate with m$ at all is kinda sad if you ask me
2021-03-17T01:45:42 #kisslinux <dgre> so i agree with midfavila
2021-03-17T01:46:01 #kisslinux <travankor> dgre: didn't dylan decide on that?
2021-03-17T01:46:12 #kisslinux <dgre> well but he is not here anymore
2021-03-17T01:46:22 #kisslinux <travankor> true
2021-03-17T01:46:28 #kisslinux <dgre> and he is the same guy who 'decided' on loving gtk3
2021-03-17T01:46:38 #kisslinux <dgre> despite stating to not want to follow the next new shiny thing
2021-03-17T01:46:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, gtk3 is ten years old at this point
2021-03-17T01:46:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's hardly new and shiny
2021-03-17T01:46:52 #kisslinux <acheam> aaaaaargh. I have to do this stupid git online course using GitHub and this electron tutorial app. kill me.
2021-03-17T01:46:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, practicality over ideals
2021-03-17T01:46:59 #kisslinux <dgre> well then its a ripe diarrhea
2021-03-17T01:47:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I had to spin up a debian chroot just to get the dependencies worked out
2021-03-17T01:47:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> tell whoever's making you doing it to go fuck themselves acheam
2021-03-17T01:47:13 #kisslinux <dgre> >practicality over ideals
2021-03-17T01:47:19 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah using a patch to erradicate gtk2 is totally practical
2021-03-17T01:47:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and point out that you're already using git proficiently
2021-03-17T01:47:23 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: i'd loove to do that, but I really want to get into this program
2021-03-17T01:47:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> program schmogram
2021-03-17T01:47:40 #kisslinux <acheam> and i'm doing this a wee bit last minute, so no chance to ask if I can skip
2021-03-17T01:47:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> the more I learn about bootcamps and formalized education in general the more I despise it
2021-03-17T01:47:58 #kisslinux <acheam> omg bootcamps
2021-03-17T01:48:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> "learn C in one weekend!"
2021-03-17T01:48:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> "learn Linux in one week!"
2021-03-17T01:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> god
2021-03-17T01:48:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> GOD
2021-03-17T01:48:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm gonna have a stroke-
2021-03-17T01:48:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> I ***hate*** when people say "Oh I want to learn Linux"
2021-03-17T01:48:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-03-17T01:48:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> FUCK
2021-03-17T01:48:45 #kisslinux <dgre> I think it's good
2021-03-17T01:48:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't just "learn it" like you learn how to use a hammer or some shit
2021-03-17T01:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is where being pedantic comes into play
2021-03-17T01:49:02 #kisslinux <dgre> Well get them into the mentality then
2021-03-17T01:49:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> linux is a goddamn kernel
2021-03-17T01:49:04 #kisslinux <travankor> i *cringe* when i hear that too
2021-03-17T01:49:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> Hey, we'd switch to git.k1sslinux.org as the main source if people contributed to it more than they did through github ;)
2021-03-17T01:49:15 #kisslinux <dgre> GANOO LINOCHS
2021-03-17T01:49:23 #kisslinux <dgre> Well then explain it to the people who say they want to learn Linux
2021-03-17T01:49:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I do
2021-03-17T01:49:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> regularly
2021-03-17T01:49:38 #kisslinux <dgre> I think you are being ungrateful by disregarding at least that present interest
2021-03-17T01:49:42 #kisslinux <dgre> Which by itself is already uncommon
2021-03-17T01:49:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I don't even care if it's obnoxious at this point
2021-03-17T01:51:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i find when most people refer to linux they really just mean red hat
2021-03-17T01:51:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then they only ever learn how to use GNOME or something
2021-03-17T01:51:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm *dreading* the linux segment of my course
2021-03-17T02:35:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Here, kids, this is how you use Kate!
2021-03-17T02:35:56 #kisslinux <jslick> :q
2021-03-17T02:36:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :tabe jslick
2021-03-17T02:39:16 #kisslinux <jslick> hey, looks like kate has a Vi Input Mode
2021-03-17T02:40:30 #kisslinux <travankor> huh
2021-03-17T02:40:45 #kisslinux * travankor checks calendar
2021-03-17T02:40:53 #kisslinux <travankor> not yet April 1
2021-03-17T02:45:32 #kisslinux * travankor wishes mg would support UTF-8...
2021-03-17T02:54:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> my bigger dread is that they're going to act as if one linux distro is representative of the ecosystem as a whole
2021-03-17T02:55:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't stand it when people push RHEL or Debian or something as "Linux"
2021-03-17T02:55:27 #kisslinux <acheam> UBUNTU
2021-03-17T02:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ubuntu? more like
2021-03-17T02:55:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> garbage
2021-03-17T02:55:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/garbage/garbuntu/
2021-03-17T02:55:52 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> garbuntu
2021-03-17T02:55:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> much better
2021-03-17T02:56:07 #kisslinux <acheam> at ProprietarySoftwareCorp, we support all of the operating systems. Windows, Mac, and Ubuntu.
2021-03-17T02:56:22 #kisslinux * midfavila inhales
2021-03-17T02:56:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking NORMIES
2021-03-17T02:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> ruining literally everything
2021-03-17T02:56:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> get the FUCK out of my hipster software ecosystem
2021-03-17T02:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:CCC
2021-03-17T02:57:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not even joking rn
2021-03-17T02:57:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtfo
2021-03-17T02:57:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> >:GCC
2021-03-17T02:57:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> silence soyboy
2021-03-17T02:57:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is my channel now
2021-03-17T02:57:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> no normies allowed
2021-03-17T03:02:14 #kisslinux <acheam> No normies allowed? What are you doing here, mid?
2021-03-17T03:02:16 #kisslinux <jslick> I've seen people at work trade in their Linux laptops for macbooks because their gnome session kept crashing.  People new to Linux look at gnome and equate it to Linux.  I mean, I guess I can't blame them as those people are coming from windows or mac, and just are unaware of the choices.
2021-03-17T03:02:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm turning this into a dictatorship
2021-03-17T03:02:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> only 9heds are allowed to use this distro
2021-03-17T03:03:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have to have compiled exactly this many kernels to even join the channel
2021-03-17T03:03:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a dictatorship
2021-03-17T03:03:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> always was
2021-03-17T03:03:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at me
2021-03-17T03:03:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm the BDFL now
2021-03-17T03:03:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> eh
2021-03-17T03:03:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> he
2021-03-17T03:03:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> midfavila: s/he/heman/
2021-03-17T03:03:59 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> heman
2021-03-17T03:04:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> he-man is cringe
2021-03-17T03:04:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes
2021-03-17T03:04:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads enjoy thundercats
2021-03-17T03:04:44 #kisslinux <travankor> jslick: Redhat's backdoor plan with M$ working as expected
2021-03-17T03:05:00 #kisslinux <acheam> real chads use Ubuntu to show their resiliance
2021-03-17T03:05:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> real chads use wls1
2021-03-17T03:05:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/wls1/wsl1/
2021-03-17T03:05:14 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> real chads use wsl1
2021-03-17T03:05:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/resiliance/resilience/
2021-03-17T03:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> yw
2021-03-17T03:05:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-17T03:05:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> hello. again.
2021-03-17T03:05:33 #kisslinux <acheam> do I look like I can spell, midfavila?
2021-03-17T03:05:37 #kisslinux <acheam> hey there, testuser_[m]
2021-03-17T03:05:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> well I imagine since you can use github you can spell
2021-03-17T03:05:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but considering some of the repos maybe that's not a good indicator
2021-03-17T03:06:12 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-17T03:06:16 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: wsl1? More like eniw (wine backwards)
2021-03-17T03:06:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> joke? more like ekoj (joke backwards)
2021-03-17T03:06:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks for explaining that
2021-03-17T03:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> got you fam
2021-03-17T03:07:22 #kisslinux <acheam> okay, if I saw "eniw" without context, I woudln't understnad it
2021-03-17T03:07:28 #kisslinux <acheam> probably because I can't spell
2021-03-17T03:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> woudln't understnad
2021-03-17T03:07:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> gudder grammers
2021-03-17T03:07:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> if I saw wsl without context I wouldn't understand it
2021-03-17T03:08:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine not knowing literally every tech acronym in existence
2021-03-17T03:08:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wall street linux
2021-03-17T03:08:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> GOD
2021-03-17T03:08:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> FUCKING
2021-03-17T03:08:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> DAMNIT
2021-03-17T03:08:53 #kisslinux * midfavila smacks kiedtl cruelly for their sins
2021-03-17T03:08:55 #kisslinux <acheam> so... red hat?
2021-03-17T03:09:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> no cunt street shills here
2021-03-17T03:09:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> smoke 'em out
2021-03-17T03:09:24 #kisslinux <travankor> kiedtl: that sounds cursed af
2021-03-17T03:09:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heh
2021-03-17T03:09:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I resent the day someone has the displeasure of packaging flutter for kiss
2021-03-17T03:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone using kiss is going to see flutter and immediately run in the opposite direction
2021-03-17T03:10:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> of that, I am certain
2021-03-17T03:10:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> please tell me that hasn't happened yet
2021-03-17T03:10:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> the new default DE for KISS will be entirely in Flutter, the proprietary version of Qt6, and we're replacing the standard packages with Flatpak
2021-03-17T03:10:58 #kisslinux <acheam> tight
2021-03-17T03:11:01 #kisslinux <travankor> woo
2021-03-17T03:11:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-17T03:11:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cursed
2021-03-17T03:11:09 #kisslinux <acheam> sowm --> fowm
2021-03-17T03:11:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, systemd is now the default init, bootloader, service manager, network manager, etc
2021-03-17T03:11:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> no options
2021-03-17T03:11:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Motherfuckers.
2021-03-17T03:11:22 #kisslinux <jslick> not snap?
2021-03-17T03:11:23 #kisslinux <acheam> busybox --> toybox
2021-03-17T03:11:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> no no
2021-03-17T03:11:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're using the plan 9 utils
2021-03-17T03:11:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: what about uutils??
2021-03-17T03:11:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> because muh bloat
2021-03-17T03:11:46 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: we're not animals!
2021-03-17T03:11:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> come on, uutils is written in rust, its the furuture guis
2021-03-17T03:11:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus fucking christ
2021-03-17T03:11:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> busybox -> toybox is actually pretty tight
2021-03-17T03:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wish i hadn't looked uutils up
2021-03-17T03:11:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-17T03:12:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm gonna go guzzle bleach now
2021-03-17T03:12:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's not that bad really
2021-03-17T03:12:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey uutils can build fedora's 1000 top packages
2021-03-17T03:12:08 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm afraid thats a permamanent mental scar, midfavila
2021-03-17T03:12:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> permamanent
2021-03-17T03:12:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm tired of this Anti-Rust horseshit
2021-03-17T03:12:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop using pozilla garbage
2021-03-17T03:12:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://0x0.st/-NuF.png
2021-03-17T03:12:49 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: https://www.boringcactus.com/2021/02/09/anti-rust-horseshit.html
2021-03-17T03:12:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, I've seen that
2021-03-17T03:12:57 #kisslinux <acheam> hahaha
2021-03-17T03:13:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> if rust were faster than a tortoise having a stroke in 100MPH winds, I would be a marginally bigger fan of rust
2021-03-17T03:13:06 #kisslinux <acheam> drew default
2021-03-17T03:13:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: compiling, you mean?
2021-03-17T03:13:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> >drew default
2021-03-17T03:13:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> excellent
2021-03-17T03:13:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a keeper acheam
2021-03-17T03:14:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean afaik rust is no faster than C, best case scenario, and to even reach that you have to disable most if not all of its safety features
2021-03-17T03:14:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> if there were a reason to rewrite it in rust beyond people being shitty programmers, then sure
2021-03-17T03:14:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but as it stands leaving thousands of people without access to software just to have it be available in a hipster lang is... why?
2021-03-17T03:15:01 #kisslinux <acheam> see: python cryptography
2021-03-17T03:15:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, that's what I was referring to
2021-03-17T03:15:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> librsvg is also another good example
2021-03-17T03:15:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiedtl: both in compiling rust and in compiling literally anything written in it
2021-03-17T03:15:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, it's so painfully slow
2021-03-17T03:15:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> the rust build forces -j4
2021-03-17T03:15:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd rather use go based purely on build times :S
2021-03-17T03:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is not cool
2021-03-17T03:15:50 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: librsvg is gnome, I'd expect no better
2021-03-17T03:15:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> librsvg used to be part of gtk
2021-03-17T03:16:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then they ripped it out
2021-03-17T03:16:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> (for an admittedly good reason)
2021-03-17T03:16:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> and rewrote it in cringelang
2021-03-17T03:16:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> also obligatory "the community around rust is fucking awful"
2021-03-17T03:16:59 #kisslinux <acheam> they aint called rustaeceans for nothing
2021-03-17T03:17:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm waiting for the rust version of rubocop
2021-03-17T03:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> god that was a shitshow and a half
2021-03-17T03:17:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> humanity can't go extinct fast enough
2021-03-17T03:17:31 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the issues with rubocop?
2021-03-17T03:17:39 #kisslinux <acheam> first i'm hearing of it
2021-03-17T03:17:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's an offensive name!11!!111!1!11
2021-03-17T03:17:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> the word "cop" is triggering to some Americans
2021-03-17T03:18:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> therefore, change it
2021-03-17T03:18:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the tl;dr
2021-03-17T03:18:04 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-17T03:18:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not kidding.
2021-03-17T03:18:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> all irony aside
2021-03-17T03:18:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> go look at the issues tracker yourself
2021-03-17T03:18:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like when people forked GIMP except even more stupid
2021-03-17T03:18:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I get the gimp thing though
2021-03-17T03:18:53 #kisslinux <acheam> like thats just not a good name
2021-03-17T03:19:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I always have to say the full acronym whenever I'm talking about it to anyone I don't know well
2021-03-17T03:19:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> better than GNU's Not UNIX Image Manipulation Program being the official full name
2021-03-17T03:19:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/rubocop/rubocop/issues/8091 lmfao
2021-03-17T03:19:49 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm reading that right now
2021-03-17T03:19:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah it's fucking ridiculous
2021-03-17T03:19:58 #kisslinux <acheam> 51 thumbs up, 161 thumbs down
2021-03-17T03:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you don't like the program or whatever then fuck off
2021-03-17T03:20:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> end of discussion
2021-03-17T03:20:16 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: I see absolutely no issue with that
2021-03-17T03:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> NOTABUG WONTFIX
2021-03-17T03:20:20 #kisslinux <acheam> that name
2021-03-17T03:20:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't matter
2021-03-17T03:20:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> it might offend someone somewhere
2021-03-17T03:20:36 #kisslinux <acheam> by "that name" I meant the expanded GIMP one
2021-03-17T03:20:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-03-17T03:20:44 #kisslinux <dgre> I LOVE GIMP's name
2021-03-17T03:20:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> my statement applies to that too
2021-03-17T03:20:52 #kisslinux <dgre> Screw pilpul renamers
2021-03-17T03:20:54 #kisslinux <dgre> SJWs
2021-03-17T03:21:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> how absolutely absurd
2021-03-17T03:21:10 #kisslinux <dgre> > https://github.com/rubocop/rubocop/issues/8091
2021-03-17T03:21:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'cop bad word' stfu the world isn't america
2021-03-17T03:21:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but dilyn
2021-03-17T03:21:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't you know
2021-03-17T03:21:23 #kisslinux <dgre> > second reply = woman
2021-03-17T03:21:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> the world *is* america
2021-03-17T03:21:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> instead of changing a software project do the hard work of becoming involved in fixing society's problems
2021-03-17T03:21:41 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre: is that an issue?
2021-03-17T03:21:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if they're not american, they're third-world terrorists who hate our freedoms
2021-03-17T03:21:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> the easy solution is to make people comfortable; fuck your comfort
2021-03-17T03:21:57 #kisslinux <dgre> acheam: nah
2021-03-17T03:22:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> god bless big gulp and AR-15s
2021-03-17T03:22:13 #kisslinux <acheam> it looks like you meant it pretty derogatorily the first time
2021-03-17T03:22:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to go to mcdonalds and die from diabetes by the time i'm thirty
2021-03-17T03:22:14 #kisslinux <dgre> not a problem in and of itself
2021-03-17T03:22:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> because It's My Right:tm:
2021-03-17T03:22:29 #kisslinux <dgre> just,
2021-03-17T03:22:32 #kisslinux <dgre> we really do live in a society
2021-03-17T03:22:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> that we do
2021-03-17T03:23:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> see it's shit like the rubocop incident that make me want to stop using the internet
2021-03-17T03:23:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> bye
2021-03-17T03:23:59 #kisslinux <dgre> relax
2021-03-17T03:24:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-03-17T03:24:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't leave yet
2021-03-17T03:24:07 #kisslinux <dgre> that is not the entire internet
2021-03-17T03:24:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T03:24:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't reached my dilyn-bullying quota
2021-03-17T03:24:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> "I would leave but... my tendies"
2021-03-17T03:24:18 #kisslinux <acheam> haha "That being said we’re also committed to creating a safe collaborative environment that everyone’s comfortable with. I felt that the approach suggested by Zee Spencer to create a friendly highly compatible RuboCop fork called rbhint solves the problem that was outlined in the GitHub ticket in the least disruptive way. Here’s how Zee described his idea in brief: “My goal with my
2021-03-17T03:24:20 #kisslinux <acheam> fork, rbhint, is not to replace RuboCop, but to do the work to reframe the project for an American reality. Just like Ubuntu doesn’t replace Debian, just reframes it for home use."
2021-03-17T03:24:30 #kisslinux <dgre> > American reality
2021-03-17T03:24:36 #kisslinux <dgre> European when he uses rubocop
2021-03-17T03:24:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> FREEDOM
2021-03-17T03:24:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a dumb reason to do anything
2021-03-17T03:24:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the GPL was a mistake
2021-03-17T03:25:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean
2021-03-17T03:25:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's true
2021-03-17T03:25:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> 100%
2021-03-17T03:25:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why we need to be even MORE extreme!
2021-03-17T03:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO FORKING
2021-03-17T03:25:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-03-17T03:25:33 #kisslinux <dgre> <_<
2021-03-17T03:25:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> >_>
2021-03-17T03:25:40 #kisslinux <dgre> quick reminder
2021-03-17T03:25:42 #kisslinux <dgre> > Intel ME
2021-03-17T03:25:46 #kisslinux <dgre> based on what
2021-03-17T03:25:47 #kisslinux <acheam> if you have ever used a GPL licensed project, every other piece of software you write also has to be GPL
2021-03-17T03:25:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-17T03:25:56 #kisslinux <dgre> yes AND THAT IS A GOOD THING
2021-03-17T03:25:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> GPLv4
2021-03-17T03:26:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip `kiss`
2021-03-17T03:26:05 #kisslinux <dgre> VPL = excellent
2021-03-17T03:26:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> all software on the machine has to be GPLv4
2021-03-17T03:26:13 #kisslinux <dgre> kiss my ass that is
2021-03-17T03:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> no less, no greater
2021-03-17T03:26:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> no exceptions
2021-03-17T03:26:23 #kisslinux <acheam> nah we're being trendy, we're skipping v4
2021-03-17T03:26:25 #kisslinux <acheam> GPLv5
2021-03-17T03:26:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> version numbers are a social construct acheam
2021-03-17T03:26:33 #kisslinux <dgre> Get to GPLv8
2021-03-17T03:26:37 #kisslinux <dgre> Then skip GPLv9
2021-03-17T03:26:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> we need to reframe this for an amerifat reality
2021-03-17T03:26:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> GPLvgoogol
2021-03-17T03:26:59 #kisslinux <acheam> GPLvgooglol = renamed BSD 1 clause
2021-03-17T03:27:15 #kisslinux <dgre> and its the size of a bible
2021-03-17T03:27:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> see the problem with BSD is that they don't hate corporations enough
2021-03-17T03:27:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> > version numbers are a social construct
2021-03-17T03:27:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean yes literally they are
2021-03-17T03:27:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is why they're bad
2021-03-17T03:27:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> haven't you heard
2021-03-17T03:27:52 #kisslinux <acheam> social constructs aren't inherintly bad
2021-03-17T03:27:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> false
2021-03-17T03:28:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> ignore him hes shitposting
2021-03-17T03:28:01 #kisslinux <acheam> its when they are treated as fact that its bad
2021-03-17T03:28:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> society bad
2021-03-17T03:28:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I know
2021-03-17T03:28:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> techprim now
2021-03-17T03:28:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> also wow hey fuck you necromansy
2021-03-17T03:28:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not shitposting
2021-03-17T03:28:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> this whole conversation feel bad
2021-03-17T03:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm Contributing:tm:
2021-03-17T03:28:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> >this whole conversation feels bad
2021-03-17T03:28:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a mood
2021-03-17T03:30:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=2gv_Uil_62k
2021-03-17T03:30:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> this should be the next SotD
2021-03-17T03:32:00 #kisslinux <acheam> i..
2021-03-17T03:32:08 #kisslinux <acheam> what am I watching
2021-03-17T03:32:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> intelligent political commentary
2021-03-17T03:32:53 #kisslinux <acheam> for a sec I thought I was watching cspan
2021-03-17T03:33:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> nani?
2021-03-17T03:35:06 #kisslinux <travankor> acheam: House Republicans staging a fillibuster, colorized, circa 2021
2021-03-17T03:36:18 #kisslinux <travankor> Ted Kaczyinksi anthem
2021-03-17T03:37:08 #kisslinux <acheam> the similarities are remarkable
2021-03-17T03:37:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl american politics are boring
2021-03-17T03:37:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> politics should be boring
2021-03-17T03:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> wasn't there a russian dude whose main platform was that he wanted to build a gigantic fan to, and I quote, "blow away the radiation around chernobyl"?
2021-03-17T03:39:09 #kisslinux <acheam> solid plan
2021-03-17T03:39:23 #kisslinux <acheam> we need more innovators like that in the US
2021-03-17T03:39:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> what do ya mean, you had a president who wanted to nuke hurricanes
2021-03-17T03:39:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> sounds innovative to me
2021-03-17T03:40:13 #kisslinux <acheam> damn and we let it all slip away
2021-03-17T03:47:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> fedora 34 marks a transition towards having users default to flatpaks for packages...
2021-03-17T03:47:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> wtf
2021-03-17T03:47:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I FUCKING CALLED IT
2021-03-17T03:47:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> excuse me what
2021-03-17T03:47:38 #kisslinux <acheam> its red hat
2021-03-17T03:47:41 #kisslinux <jslick> for which packages?
2021-03-17T03:47:43 #kisslinux <acheam> what'd you expect
2021-03-17T03:47:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> >for what packages
2021-03-17T03:47:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-17T03:48:02 #kisslinux <acheam> probably browsers and stuff
2021-03-17T03:48:13 #kisslinux <acheam> flatpaks pretty much only exist for gui programs
2021-03-17T03:48:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> reject firefox
2021-03-17T03:48:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> return to netscape
2021-03-17T03:48:51 #kisslinux <acheam> reject netsacpe
2021-03-17T03:48:53 #kisslinux <acheam> return to firefox
2021-03-17T03:48:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe zoomer
2021-03-17T03:49:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> coomer
2021-03-17T03:49:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait
2021-03-17T03:49:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-03-17T03:49:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're rolling with it
2021-03-17T03:49:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2021/03/15/
2021-03-17T03:50:22 #kisslinux <acheam> fedora is a testing ground for RH
2021-03-17T03:50:40 #kisslinux <jslick> When I was a kid I used to hide netscape (and later firefox) in a random directory so that might dad wouldn't get mad that I was installing software
2021-03-17T03:50:44 #kisslinux <acheam> systemd, pipewire, flatpak, wayland, dnf, etc all get thrown onto fedora first
2021-03-17T03:50:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> no no no
2021-03-17T03:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> fedora isn't a "testing ground"
2021-03-17T03:51:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's "bleeding edge"
2021-03-17T03:51:17 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry sorry I forgot the script says we have to empower the users
2021-03-17T03:51:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> exactly
2021-03-17T03:51:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why we take away their choices
2021-03-17T03:51:50 #kisslinux <acheam> its truly whats best for them
2021-03-17T04:06:22 #kisslinux <jslick> anybody might know why I might be getting `internal compiler error: Segmentation fault` in random places while building the firefox update?  I thought it might be ccache, but I turned that off
2021-03-17T04:07:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> when/where does it happen?
2021-03-17T04:07:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> you might be able to get more information from adding -v or w/e to CFLAGS
2021-03-17T04:08:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> but 'internal compiler error' sounds like a bogey man I can't fix
2021-03-17T04:08:34 #kisslinux <jslick> it's random.  always in the C++ code though, not the rust.  The latest one is: /mnt/data/kiss-cache/tmpdir/29734/build/firefox/dom/html/HTMLEmbedElement.cpp:277:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
2021-03-17T04:08:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-03-17T04:08:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> gcc?
2021-03-17T04:09:28 #kisslinux <jslick> yeah, gcc
2021-03-17T04:13:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-03-17T04:14:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> assume you tried -j1 to eliminate the 'randomness'?
2021-03-17T04:14:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> which might be a chore
2021-03-17T04:15:06 #kisslinux <jslick> I had been bumping it down.  I was down to -j2
2021-03-17T04:15:17 #kisslinux <jslick> *sigh*.  I guess I can try -j1
2021-03-17T04:15:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> in the meantime i can put 86.0.1 up; i had no issues and if you don't have horrifying exotic CFLAGS or a super different build script it sounds like something you'll have to yell into the void at bugzilla for
2021-03-17T04:15:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah that's a rough task huh
2021-03-17T04:15:36 #kisslinux <jslick> I think it fails toward the end, so it takes like 45min each try
2021-03-17T04:16:44 #kisslinux <jslick> or maybe I could turn -pipe off, but I don't think I'm running out of memory
2021-03-17T04:17:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> worth a shot but I also don't think that would do it :2021-03-17T04:17:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh hm. I don't have firefox built with generic cflags. rip
2021-03-17T04:46:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh hey, pidgin has username autocomplete
2021-03-17T04:46:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> very cool
2021-03-17T05:39:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> do I read K&R
2021-03-17T05:39:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> or do I play vidya
2021-03-17T08:43:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> jslick use sccache for testing like this
2021-03-17T08:45:18 #kisslinux <travankor> testuser_[m]:  how does that help?
2021-03-17T08:46:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> he won't have to wait 45 min for it to fail
2021-03-17T08:47:40 #kisslinux <travankor> is it beter than ccache?
2021-03-17T08:47:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sccache is for. rust
2021-03-17T08:48:10 #kisslinux <travankor> so you can use both at the same time?
2021-03-17T08:48:34 #kisslinux <travankor> ccache and sccache
2021-03-17T08:48:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think sccache can do c/++ also,  but it's dumb cuz needs absolute path to match for a hit
2021-03-17T08:49:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so you gotta make kiss build it in the same dir every time
2021-03-17T08:49:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> through KISS_PID
2021-03-17T08:49:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and ccache won't help much with ff anyways
2021-03-17T08:50:43 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I always forget for git sources how do I specify a branch?
2021-03-17T08:50:52 #kisslinux <MueVoid> (on gitlab idk if that matters)
2021-03-17T08:52:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> i use --single-branch -branch branchname for cloning
2021-03-17T08:52:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> if that's what you mean
2021-03-17T08:54:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no they mean the kiss sources file
2021-03-17T08:54:05 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I meant in like the source files for kiss pkg manager
2021-03-17T08:54:07 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah
2021-03-17T08:54:12 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Didn't see u said that lol
2021-03-17T08:54:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i posted it at the same time
2021-03-17T08:54:35 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I guess for now I could just run git clone in the actual source file
2021-03-17T08:54:44 #kisslinux <MueVoid> build file*
2021-03-17T08:55:53 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I want to try this experimental branch of mesa
2021-03-17T08:56:34 #kisslinux <MueVoid> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/4337 It adds in something to make vr run on intel graphics. So I can test my vr applications on KISS
2021-03-17T08:57:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-17T08:58:22 #kisslinux <MueVoid> (y)
2021-03-17T08:58:37 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Well I'm out thanks I don't know why I didn't think of just cloning in build file for now
2021-03-17T09:08:18 #kisslinux <travankor> vr was a mistake
2021-03-17T09:09:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Teaching sand to think was a mistake
2021-03-17T09:11:50 #kisslinux <travankor> yes
2021-03-17T10:30:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Is it still possible to do something like `file > /dev/printer`? https://tube.connect.cafe/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0
2021-03-17T10:51:59 #kisslinux <travankor> no, you need a teletype
2021-03-17T12:13:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> midfavila: you do git+url@branchname
2021-03-17T12:42:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> dilyn: I did some testing for the "kiss u" problem I'm having, and created a chroot using an old kiss tarball. I mounted my live system's /var/db/kiss into that chroot and experienced the same "kiss u" problem. However, when I unmounted /var/db/kiss and only copied the repositories, "kiss u" worked as normal. So.. does that mean something in my /var/db/kiss/installed directory could be a problem?
2021-03-17T12:42:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I don't know whether using a "installed" directory that has packages in it which aren't actually installed can cause problems on it's own.
2021-03-17T12:43:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Do you mean timeouts with `kiss u`?
2021-03-17T12:44:41 #kisslinux <soliwilos> No, as it is now "kiss u" lists two packages that needs to be updated (there are more), but exits error 1 and does nothing further.
2021-03-17T12:45:48 #kisslinux <soliwilos> While "kiss b" works fine, and starts installing the proper versions. It's just "kiss u" that's somehow broken.
2021-03-17T12:48:37 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I suppose I could attempt to move one package at a time, out of /var/db/kiss/installed and run kiss u after each, to see if at some point it runs as normal.
2021-03-17T12:49:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's possible it could be something i had a while back with dependency issues
2021-03-17T12:49:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> circular dependencies caused kiss to fail
2021-03-17T12:50:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> could be/could be like
2021-03-17T12:53:42 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I see, that might be it.
2021-03-17T13:34:38 #kisslinux <jslick> thanks testuser , I'll check that out for next time.  Turns out it built successfully overnight
2021-03-17T13:35:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-17T13:36:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> what fun
2021-03-17T13:52:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys
2021-03-17T13:52:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Theres no port of gimp in kiss?
2021-03-17T13:56:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> eudaldgr/kiss-garbage
2021-03-17T15:11:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Wasn't there also alternatives to GIMP on kiss? You may also try that
2021-03-17T15:22:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn got krita working in his KDE setup: https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-kde/tree/master/kde/krita
2021-03-17T15:23:04 #kisslinux <acheam> theres lots of alternatives to GIMP, depending on whwat specific features of it you need, but for me, GIMP is a great all around package for photo editing
2021-03-17T15:23:41 #kisslinux <acheam> if you want specifically the drawing parts of it, theres Krita, and ominous just pointed out, and there are lots of alternatives if you want the photo-editing part
2021-03-17T15:24:00 #kisslinux <acheam> but for photo manipulation, and doing photoshop-like things, GIMP is king IMO
2021-03-17T15:24:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @MueVoid i think was playing with MyPaint
2021-03-17T15:25:08 #kisslinux <acheam> mypaint looks good
2021-03-17T15:25:16 #kisslinux <acheam> a kiss-appimage repo might be cool
2021-03-17T15:25:50 #kisslinux <acheam> just to automatically move it to the right place, and "chmod +x" it
2021-03-17T15:26:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just write a GUI on top of imagemagick :)
2021-03-17T15:26:46 #kisslinux <acheam> GUIs? we don't need no stinking GUIs!
2021-03-17T15:27:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I prefer gimp is better for photo editing
2021-03-17T15:27:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Krita is more for drawing
2021-03-17T15:27:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I used krita sometimes
2021-03-17T15:27:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmao never mind there's a built-in GUI for imagemagick -- "display" command
2021-03-17T15:28:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah there are
2021-03-17T15:29:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But imagemagick is like ffmpeg that's why I love it. Do stuff in cli
2021-03-17T15:30:30 #kisslinux <acheam> nothing faster than doing simple edits using magick or ffmpeg
2021-03-17T15:30:55 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine opening kdenlive or smthng just to trim a few seconds off of a video
2021-03-17T15:35:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> one hard thing with imagemagick is i always have to go back and read how to do anything so it takes me a while.  whereas a GUI you just pop it open, select the option, and bob's your uncle
2021-03-17T15:36:02 #kisslinux <acheam> for anything more complex than simple tasks, I need to search up how to do it each time in the gui
2021-03-17T15:36:07 #kisslinux <acheam> `magick` doesn't change
2021-03-17T15:36:20 #kisslinux <acheam> and finding information on it is much simpler than GIMP
2021-03-17T15:36:37 #kisslinux <acheam> `man magick` vs searching the web for some obsucre documentation, or badly written blog article
2021-03-17T15:36:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> but kdenlive launches so fast :v
2021-03-17T15:54:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> One time I needed to upscale a lot of images. Tried GIMP for it with batch plugin or something like that. Wasn't great experience I'd say
2021-03-17T16:08:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hey guys
2021-03-17T16:09:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-17T16:09:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I just tried to install sysmgr
2021-03-17T16:09:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And when i do the reboot the services says permission denied
2021-03-17T16:09:48 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I just cp the services in /etc/sv and do the rest
2021-03-17T16:12:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone tested sysmgr?
2021-03-17T16:12:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> chmod +x them
2021-03-17T16:13:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Operation not permited is a directory
2021-03-17T16:14:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> All in /etc/sv are directories
2021-03-17T16:15:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> chmod +x */*
2021-03-17T16:17:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Nothing
2021-03-17T16:18:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Maybe create a new exec in sysmgr?
2021-03-17T16:18:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> For every service
2021-03-17T17:24:10 #kisslinux <chaffity> hello all! i've been a long time lurker through logbot, and thought i'd finally drop by and say hi
2021-03-17T17:25:59 #kisslinux <chaffity> actively using KISS as my daily driver (admittedly with the mac to one side just in case)
2021-03-17T17:26:07 #kisslinux <acheam> hey there chaffity, glad to have you here!
2021-03-17T17:26:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> morning guys
2021-03-17T17:26:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey newbie
2021-03-17T17:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> bluh
2021-03-17T17:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have to spend today trying to fix a laptop dock .-.
2021-03-17T17:28:36 #kisslinux <chaffity> glad to be here, if i can help out at all with packages or things, give me a shout
2021-03-17T17:29:39 #kisslinux <chaffity> i've been playing around with love2d (game engine) recently, and might package it up sometime
2021-03-17T17:34:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I think dilyn is still looking for some help maintaining the packages he inherited from dylan in the community repo
2021-03-17T17:34:28 #kisslinux <acheam> but only do it if it is something that you would enjoy doing
2021-03-17T17:36:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignore acheam
2021-03-17T17:36:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> all kiss linux users have a moral god-given obligation to maintain at least ten thousand packages
2021-03-17T17:36:56 #kisslinux <chaffity> i noticed that in the last update on the site, certainly up for having a crack at a few
2021-03-17T17:37:37 #kisslinux <chaffity> haha, i've just leached the community repos so far
2021-03-17T17:38:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what actually, fuck working on this dock
2021-03-17T17:38:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm watching anime
2021-03-17T17:38:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if it's broken you could make something else with it, like https://web.archive.org/web/20121125051551/http://www.exaflop.org/docs/x86still/
2021-03-17T17:39:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the most annoying thing ever
2021-03-17T17:39:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything works
2021-03-17T17:39:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> except
2021-03-17T17:39:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of the little hooks to keep the laptop in place is slightly loose
2021-03-17T17:40:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as a result the laptop keeps being loosed from the dock
2021-03-17T17:40:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm thinking of just super-gluing the shit out of the retainer hook
2021-03-17T17:43:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you have the dock in a place it gets bumped a lot then?
2021-03-17T17:43:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had a proper set of pliers I could probably pull it off of its axel and then reseat it properly, but I only have the pair built into my multi-tool...
2021-03-17T17:43:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's not that
2021-03-17T17:43:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a spring-loaded mechanism that lifts the laptop up
2021-03-17T17:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> which fights against the retainer hooks
2021-03-17T17:43:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally that helps keep it nice and tight
2021-03-17T17:44:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so it pops out on its own
2021-03-17T17:44:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah.
2021-03-17T17:44:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the tl;dr
2021-03-17T17:44:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> worst comes to pass I can just remove the springs
2021-03-17T17:46:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just put a textbook on top of the laptop XD
2021-03-17T17:46:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then I can't use it
2021-03-17T17:46:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-03-17T17:47:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah you use the monitor and keyboard when plugged in eh
2021-03-17T17:47:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the plan
2021-03-17T17:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want to eventually get a KVM switch and hook it into the same equipment I use for my workstation
2021-03-17T17:50:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> those can get expensive real quick, do you have one in mind?
2021-03-17T17:50:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Not terribly sure, I've never looked at them before.
2021-03-17T17:51:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's more of a long-term goal as it is right now
2021-03-17T17:54:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i've had good luck with startech stuff over the years, they have some 2-port kvm switches for like $120-$150? i think
2021-03-17T17:55:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> startech is pretty awesome
2021-03-17T17:55:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> although some of their hardware is weird
2021-03-17T17:55:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the $$$$ expensive thing i was thinking of was kvm extenders apparently, like $2k
2021-03-17T17:55:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i remember seeing... I think it was an eight-port serial card
2021-03-17T17:55:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is just... wow
2021-03-17T18:02:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> why not 16 lol: https://www.startech.com/en-us/cards-adapters/icusb23216fd
2021-03-17T18:02:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus fucking christ startech
2021-03-17T18:02:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> calm down
2021-03-17T18:05:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.startech.com/en-us/networking-io/ies61002poe chunky boi
2021-03-17T18:05:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> virgin ASUS RoG vs chad StarTech
2021-03-17T18:06:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> get your RGB-lookin' ass outta here. we only do matte black chassis and green PCBs here
2021-03-17T18:15:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Green textolite is damn hot
2021-03-17T19:08:15 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm really considering a revert to libressl
2021-03-17T19:08:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> chaffity: there's an issue with an up-to-date list of packages you can pick up if you'd like :)  https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-community/issues/197
2021-03-17T19:09:18 #kisslinux <merakor> Bearssl is really perfect on the base, but I can't patch the shit out of everything that is not the base.
2021-03-17T19:09:51 #kisslinux <merakor> And at that point you have two separate SSL libraries
2021-03-17T19:10:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> the whole SSL library argument is kind of bluh
2021-03-17T19:10:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> like it's important, sure
2021-03-17T19:10:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there are so many projects that are like
2021-03-17T19:10:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, you *have* to use this specific one
2021-03-17T19:11:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure there's a reason but it's annoying
2021-03-17T19:11:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> womp
2021-03-17T19:11:30 #kisslinux <merakor> The problem is that every SSL library has a different API
2021-03-17T19:11:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> smells like cringe
2021-03-17T19:12:33 #kisslinux <merakor> LibreSSL just works on most occasions, because it is API compatible with OpenSSL
2021-03-17T19:12:40 #kisslinux <merakor> And OpenSSL is by far the most popular
2021-03-17T19:15:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> what things are posing the biggest problem?
2021-03-17T19:15:28 #kisslinux <merakor> Being unpopular is BearSSL's biggest drawback
2021-03-17T19:15:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T19:15:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You heard about Void and Gentoo struggles and that Void already migrating back to OpenSSL, right? There won't be any linux support and all these patches will go to Oblivion
2021-03-17T19:16:09 #kisslinux <merakor> nxghtmvrx: It is easier to patch openssl to libressl than openssl to bearssl
2021-03-17T19:16:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> are we basically the only distribution that uses libressl as the primary libcrypto?
2021-03-17T19:16:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^^
2021-03-17T19:16:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> we have basically zero libressl patches
2021-03-17T19:17:15 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, you really only need libressl patches for software that use really obscure OpenSSL API
2021-03-17T19:17:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> behold the almighty ifdef
2021-03-17T19:18:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So most things will work without workarounds still then?
2021-03-17T19:18:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> for now
2021-03-17T19:18:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> we will probably see big problems when openssl does something big and breaking tho
2021-03-17T19:19:35 #kisslinux <merakor> For the bearssl thing, there are some packages that require libressl to work, which I definitely cannot patch.
2021-03-17T19:19:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The funny thing is there's more folks on LibreSSL on Linux than on BSD with their official support
2021-03-17T19:19:55 #kisslinux <merakor> Ruby, wpa_supplicant, Python's optional ssl module, etc.
2021-03-17T19:20:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-03-17T19:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> hnnng
2021-03-17T19:20:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's the noise I made yesterday when I realized I bought the wrong ram :v
2021-03-17T19:20:59 #kisslinux <merakor> Also like isync, and msmtp, those are the most essential for me
2021-03-17T19:21:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine using your computer to do things...
2021-03-17T19:21:19 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao
2021-03-17T19:21:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well at least we have working patches from Void for now
2021-03-17T19:21:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I always get super anxious when buying new parts
2021-03-17T19:22:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> the ram i wanted went out of stock and last seller listed it for $30 more so i said noty and bought a different set, not realizing it was 3200 not 3600 :'(
2021-03-17T19:22:43 #kisslinux <merakor> There should be no libressl patches on the main repository iirc
2021-03-17T19:23:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i went from 1333 to (I think) 3200
2021-03-17T19:23:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> today I woke up ready to buy the 3900x only to find newegg was sold out and the price went up $40 (inexplicably they were selling 5900x for the SAME PRICE??? also sold out tho) so i bought from some sketch site...
2021-03-17T19:23:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> free shipping and no tax tho
2021-03-17T19:23:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> unironically noticeable difference
2021-03-17T19:23:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't that a beautiful upgrade?? mmmm
2021-03-17T19:23:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even know my ram speed but i know it's heckin' slow
2021-03-17T19:24:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like timing is more important
2021-03-17T19:24:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I haven't looked much into timings
2021-03-17T19:24:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> timing is less noticeable nowadays with ddr4 afaik
2021-03-17T19:24:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Some sketchy skalper MF website I suppose lmao
2021-03-17T19:24:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> but i got cas 16 anyways because i'm still triggered from my ddr2 days
2021-03-17T19:24:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i literally only switched to ddr4 a few weeks ago
2021-03-17T19:24:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> they have good reviews but i've also never used them before :v
2021-03-17T19:25:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm going to have more threads and ram in this pc than in all my former PCs *combined*
2021-03-17T19:25:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> my face is going to melt
2021-03-17T19:26:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> you will ascend from the status of corelet
2021-03-17T19:26:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> my kernel compiling in less than forty minutes will be life changing
2021-03-17T19:27:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> the first time I had a sub-minute kernel I was giddy
2021-03-17T19:27:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> not having a CPU pegged at TJmax is going to be pretty nice too
2021-03-17T19:28:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ram speeds noticeable on loading some software. Can't say about timings. But I feel like my modern CPU, mobo and RAM is a waste of time. Sure, 12 threads and 3000Mhz is really noticeable when loading and some heavy things but otherwise just pricey paperweight which is in 90% of time. I don't need that much of power. I am thinking all the time that I should've bought FX instead or something like that
2021-03-17T19:29:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> At least my ATI/AMD gpu is awesome and was super cheap
2021-03-17T19:30:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just gonna make testing rust changes so much faster
2021-03-17T19:30:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> no longer will I have to wait fifteen hours before I know if a patch worked
2021-03-17T19:33:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The most heavy thing I've ever compiled is probably kernel, waterfox and Veloren(rust game). So meh not really worth it for me and I'm telling everyone who wants to buy new rig/upgrade and etc to not make the same mistake
2021-03-17T19:34:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah there's definitely such a thing as overkill
2021-03-17T19:35:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have always been recommending the 3600x etc
2021-03-17T19:35:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Meh I have Ryzen 1600 and its already overkill IMO
2021-03-17T19:35:49 #kisslinux <aarng> I'm currently on an i5 ivybridge using its iGPU too
2021-03-17T19:35:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> tru
2021-03-17T19:35:51 #kisslinux <aarng> more than enough
2021-03-17T19:35:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's only three years old tbf
2021-03-17T19:35:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> ivy bridge is bae
2021-03-17T19:36:33 #kisslinux <aarng> I would probably be fine with even less power, but at some point compiling becomes annoying
2021-03-17T19:36:48 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, I have a GAMING LAPTOP:TM: with nvidia optimus that I love to bitch about
2021-03-17T19:37:08 #kisslinux <merakor> It has great specs, I can't use half of them
2021-03-17T19:37:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> you mean space heater
2021-03-17T19:37:20 #kisslinux <aarng> lol
2021-03-17T19:38:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah and also I have 16 gigs of ram. Super overkill. Half of that would be plenty for me
2021-03-17T19:38:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Laptop is literally the reason I have dropped Ubuntu and gradually became a distro maintainer & CS student
2021-03-17T19:38:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta decide what I wanna do with this laptop hmmm
2021-03-17T19:39:06 #kisslinux <merakor> I was a happy literature student prior to buying this laptop
2021-03-17T19:39:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> omg
2021-03-17T19:39:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> my man
2021-03-17T19:39:24 #kisslinux <aarng> for daily use (no compiling) I'm fine with 4 gigs, nxghtmvrx
2021-03-17T19:39:48 #kisslinux <jslick> nxghtmvrx> I have on of those.  Do you have one of the early production ones with the c6 hanging bug?
2021-03-17T19:40:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah c6 fuckery
2021-03-17T19:40:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Disabled in bios that crap
2021-03-17T19:41:10 #kisslinux <jslick> I don't recall seeing a granular enough bios option; I use https://github.com/r4m0n/ZenStates-Linux
2021-03-17T19:42:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> On Asus prime mobos there's option with some weird name but in the description it explains that it disables c-states or something
2021-03-17T19:42:49 #kisslinux <merakor> My only reason for using Linux was my shitty Realtek Wifi on the old laptop and low resource usage, I wouldn't imagine myself maintaining a distro 4 years later
2021-03-17T19:42:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Strangely enough I had no problems on Manjaro with this until I switched to Void
2021-03-17T19:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's how linux gets you
2021-03-17T19:43:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> first it draws you in with its amazing driver support
2021-03-17T19:43:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then suddenly you're helping to maintain a distro
2021-03-17T19:43:40 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: I can thank Nvidia I guess
2021-03-17T19:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you've learned twenty different programming languages
2021-03-17T19:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> yet somehow you still feel like an idiot
2021-03-17T19:43:58 #kisslinux <jslick> ah, I thought it had been worked around in the kernel; then the problem came back on me at some time
2021-03-17T19:44:10 #kisslinux <merakor> Thanks for the bullshit hardware and software nvidia, I appreciate it
2021-03-17T19:44:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> *insert linus gif here*
2021-03-17T19:44:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> one day you're reading about what git is, the next you're a bdfl
2021-03-17T19:44:38 #kisslinux <dilyn>  /shrug
2021-03-17T19:44:43 #kisslinux <merakor> That Linus video is him talking about Nvidia Optimus as well
2021-03-17T19:44:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometime it be like that
2021-03-17T19:44:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Three years ago I was planning a build for gaming on windows(big cringe). I hated Win10 so much so I switched to linux lol
2021-03-17T19:44:48 #kisslinux <merakor> MY GARBAGE HARDWARE
2021-03-17T19:44:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> git is a gateway drug
2021-03-17T19:45:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> also ngl as long as you aren't intending to play forkknife or some shit linux is totally serviceable for games now
2021-03-17T19:45:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> valve has done a lot in that regard
2021-03-17T19:45:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean a *lot*
2021-03-17T19:45:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh yes
2021-03-17T19:45:42 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, they really did
2021-03-17T19:45:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> back in my day...
2021-03-17T19:46:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> back in my day when you had to try to get WINE to run in 32-bit mode
2021-03-17T19:46:02 #kisslinux <merakor> Playing on Linux is much better than on Windows
2021-03-17T19:46:09 #kisslinux <merakor> Although I can't play on Linux lmao
2021-03-17T19:46:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> and manually installed libraries over and over again until it magically started working
2021-03-17T19:46:15 #kisslinux <merakor> Thanks nvidia
2021-03-17T19:46:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah I don't care about games that much anymore. Play some trash from time to time but mostly some lightweight opensource stuff like Mindustry
2021-03-17T19:46:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's what i bought a switch for :v
2021-03-17T19:46:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been playing a lot of cataclysm
2021-03-17T19:46:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only game i want to play is witcher 2
2021-03-17T19:46:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to set steam up on my slackware box
2021-03-17T19:46:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I want to play TIS-100 again
2021-03-17T19:46:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah Witcher 2 is super awesome
2021-03-17T19:46:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> >witcher
2021-03-17T19:46:54 #kisslinux <merakor> I really want to play SWTOR man
2021-03-17T19:46:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> enjoy having your GPU chug on those hair effects
2021-03-17T19:47:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T19:47:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=toXNVbvFXyk
2021-03-17T19:47:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> TIHI
2021-03-17T19:48:12 #kisslinux <merakor> I have to dual-boot until I can finally get an okay laptop without Optishit
2021-03-17T19:49:01 #kisslinux <merakor> I can't do that until the pandemic is over and I can go to Germany though
2021-03-17T19:49:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> deutschland
2021-03-17T19:51:07 #kisslinux <merakor> I recently switched my device languages to German from English, I am having brain aneurysms
2021-03-17T19:51:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> A few days ago I tried Liberation Circuit. Its written in C and you need to program in simplified C inside. Recommend for anyone who wants to learn some basics I guess
2021-03-17T19:51:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> gimme sauce
2021-03-17T19:51:57 #kisslinux <aarng> why do you have to go to germany for that, merakor?
2021-03-17T19:52:13 #kisslinux <aarng> nothing good available in turkey(?) or what
2021-03-17T19:52:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Inflation is too much on Turkey
2021-03-17T19:52:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://github.com/linleyh/liberation-circuit
2021-03-17T19:52:40 #kisslinux <aarng> I see
2021-03-17T19:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> danke
2021-03-17T19:53:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Their precompiled version is crap. See arch build in AUR
2021-03-17T19:54:19 #kisslinux <merakor> On top of that, the minimum wage is way too low for buying any goods
2021-03-17T19:55:13 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, that sucks
2021-03-17T19:55:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so
2021-03-17T19:55:32 #kisslinux <merakor> I'll hopefully find a proper job at Germany, even the minimum wage there seems to be pretty good.
2021-03-17T19:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> operation "glue the fuck out of the axel"
2021-03-17T19:55:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> did not work
2021-03-17T19:55:59 #kisslinux <aarng> could be better, really
2021-03-17T19:56:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <dilyn> [20:14:12] are we basically the only distribution that uses libressl as the primary libcrypto?
2021-03-17T19:56:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> nope
2021-03-17T19:56:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Why not try working online or something though
2021-03-17T19:56:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> well okay sabotage yes xD
2021-03-17T19:56:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i imagine sta.li as well?
2021-03-17T19:56:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dunno
2021-03-17T19:56:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Is stali still maintained?
2021-03-17T19:56:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> doubtful
2021-03-17T19:56:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-17T19:57:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but i'll choose libressl over openssl forever until they remove their stupid perl build system
2021-03-17T19:57:27 #kisslinux <merakor> sh4rm4^bnc: exactly, perl make dependency is overkill
2021-03-17T19:58:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> because ssl lib is like the 2nd most used package one needs so it's part of every core rootfs
2021-03-17T19:58:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> (1st being curses)
2021-03-17T19:58:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> curses in core
2021-03-17T19:58:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw
2021-03-17T19:59:18 #kisslinux <merakor> Binary distros
2021-03-17T20:00:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> did you just assume my package format
2021-03-17T20:00:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Also glibc depends on bash which depends on curses
2021-03-17T20:00:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao what a crock
2021-03-17T20:02:00 #kisslinux <merakor> The whole ecosystem is just garbage
2021-03-17T20:04:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> At this point I am sure that I will complain about the fact that everything is garbage, done wrong and etc. There will never be perfect distro. Even LFS not real solution even if they much better than widely used distros
2021-03-17T20:04:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/complain/complain till the rest of my life/
2021-03-17T20:04:36 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> At this point I am sure that I will complain till the rest of my life about the fact that everything is garbage, done wrong and etc. There will never be perfect distro. Even LFS not real solution even if they much better than widely used distros
2021-03-17T20:04:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> now you're feeling it
2021-03-17T20:05:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes, use your frustration
2021-03-17T20:05:40 #kisslinux <merakor> Yes, use your aggressive feelings boy, let the hate flow through you
2021-03-17T20:06:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> that shady af site is giving me 2 day shipping on my cpu
2021-03-17T20:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> everything is gonna get here before I leave EXCEPT my keyboard >=|
2021-03-17T20:07:02 #kisslinux <merakor> > shady af site -- 2 day shipping
2021-03-17T20:07:05 #kisslinux * merakor doubts
2021-03-17T20:07:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it worth it to keep the ODD in my dock or should I replace it with a regular drive?
2021-03-17T20:07:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What's wrong with keeb dilyn?
2021-03-17T20:07:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> leaning towards the latter
2021-03-17T20:08:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> the perks of living in PA is that most hardware distribution centers that aren't in CA are just a state away
2021-03-17T20:08:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> NJ, NC, IN, OH
2021-03-17T20:08:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> == 2 day shipping pretty much always
2021-03-17T20:09:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Meh spinning rust. Your choice. But its not like those m.2 SSDs any better with their fragile controllers and amounts of overwrites
2021-03-17T20:09:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> ODD is useless, no? I bought a USB one just in case and I've used it exactly once in the last five years
2021-03-17T20:09:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> nxghtmvrx: bought my keyboard from drop.com so it's shipping out tomorrow
2021-03-17T20:09:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I'm thinking
2021-03-17T20:09:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I also don't need more storage
2021-03-17T20:09:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> probaby won't arrive for two weeks or so i imagine
2021-03-17T20:09:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> heresy!
2021-03-17T20:09:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> always more
2021-03-17T20:09:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-03-17T20:09:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Diy or some normies stuff?
2021-03-17T20:10:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm gonna be setting up a six-way RAID in my workstation
2021-03-17T20:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then probably making that available over the network
2021-03-17T20:10:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> so like idk man
2021-03-17T20:11:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering trying a caching setup since I've heard that can really help
2021-03-17T20:11:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> definitely cannot afford DIY mech :S
2021-03-17T20:11:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, where part of the RAID is SSDs?
2021-03-17T20:11:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh fuck I'm wrong; everything except the actual body ships tomorrow. The body is shipping... april fifteenth...
2021-03-17T20:11:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> kill me
2021-03-17T20:12:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> the actual state of americans
2021-03-17T20:12:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> ordering from the US as a canadian almost never takes less than two to three months
2021-03-17T20:12:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if it's like
2021-03-17T20:12:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally just a USB drive or some floppies
2021-03-17T20:12:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is why i love america :v
2021-03-17T20:12:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's faster to just buy from europe
2021-03-17T20:12:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah mechs is pricey. But there's completely opensource QMK-compatible boards like ones in project Acheron so still possible to get one
2021-03-17T20:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're dumping money on a keeb at least get an M or F
2021-03-17T20:13:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> none of these fuckn
2021-03-17T20:13:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2normie4that
2021-03-17T20:13:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> cherry mx switches
2021-03-17T20:13:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> cherry mx blues are bae
2021-03-17T20:13:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> cherry mx blues are life
2021-03-17T20:13:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe mx
2021-03-17T20:13:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtfo with your knockoffs
2021-03-17T20:13:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i only use *real* keebs
2021-03-17T20:14:11 #kisslinux <merakor> What?
2021-03-17T20:14:15 #kisslinux <merakor> When I buy things from US
2021-03-17T20:14:25 #kisslinux <merakor> They ship in like less than 2 weeks
2021-03-17T20:14:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> lucky you then
2021-03-17T20:14:41 #kisslinux <merakor> s/They ship/I receive it/
2021-03-17T20:14:42 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> I receive it in like less than 2 weeks
2021-03-17T20:14:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Meh gimme name of "real" 40% ortho then
2021-03-17T20:14:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> there isn't one
2021-03-17T20:14:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> because that's a shitty meme layout
2021-03-17T20:15:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> No. Its productive
2021-03-17T20:15:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> """""productive"""""
2021-03-17T20:15:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i imagine if farming reddit gold is productive then yes
2021-03-17T20:15:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-03-17T20:16:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Imagine removing your fingers from homerow when typing
2021-03-17T20:16:20 #kisslinux <merakor> nxghtmvrx: Don't get productivity advice from ed users :P
2021-03-17T20:16:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine using typing techniques that were created to slow typists down
2021-03-17T20:16:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-17T20:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> normie
2021-03-17T20:16:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i bet you use qwerty too
2021-03-17T20:16:59 #kisslinux <merakor> Of course I do
2021-03-17T20:17:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lmao you mean qwerty. My choice is dvorak lololol
2021-03-17T20:17:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> that qwerty was designed to slow you down while typing is a myth
2021-03-17T20:17:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> though it is still inefficient
2021-03-17T20:17:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I wanted to switch to halmak which is the most effective one. Designed by AI
2021-03-17T20:18:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> computers can't tell me what to do
2021-03-17T20:19:21 #kisslinux <merakor> Only two choices we have here is "Turkish Q" or "Turkish F" keyboards
2021-03-17T20:20:01 #kisslinux <merakor> Turkish Q is qwerty for the language, Turkish F is some crap local design people used before computers
2021-03-17T20:20:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Initially designed for typewriters
2021-03-17T20:20:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you want to learn a bit about typing productivity https://paulguerin.medium.com/the-search-for-the-worlds-best-keyboard-layout-98d61b33b8e1
2021-03-17T20:21:31 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh medium finally fixed their website for Webkit, huh?
2021-03-17T20:23:16 #kisslinux <merakor> Welp, not really.
2021-03-17T20:23:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Why would a blog website crash halfway through my read
2021-03-17T20:23:53 #kisslinux <merakor> Medium is such a crap
2021-03-17T20:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> that article is a linguistic masterpiece
2021-03-17T20:25:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-17T20:25:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably wanted to make one of those annoying popups that says 'simpscrib to our mailing list pl0x'
2021-03-17T20:26:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you write good articles I'll subscribe
2021-03-17T20:26:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise stfu
2021-03-17T20:26:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have no interest in subscribing even then
2021-03-17T20:26:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> if I like it, I'll find it
2021-03-17T20:26:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> fight me
2021-03-17T20:27:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lol modern complexity makes it hard to find useful stuff
2021-03-17T20:27:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Just use rss, duh
2021-03-17T20:28:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why I don't read much stuff :v
2021-03-17T20:28:09 #kisslinux <merakor> My OS in OS has a great feed reader
2021-03-17T20:28:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> reading is bloat
2021-03-17T20:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> return to pictograms
2021-03-17T20:28:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wish I was illiterate so I didn't have to be exposed to what most people write
2021-03-17T20:28:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Why pictograms? Just make some simple drawings on the wall
2021-03-17T20:29:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao that's a fucking mood dilyn
2021-03-17T20:48:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Who's in charge on arewesimpleyet.com ? Are there any more in-depth writings on listed things?
2021-03-17T20:56:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/.com/.org/
2021-03-17T20:56:49 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Who's in charge on arewesimpleyet.org ? Are there any more in-depth writings on listed things?
2021-03-17T20:58:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't it ddevault?
2021-03-17T20:59:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dunno that's why I'm asking. Could be so considering mrsh and ctools
2021-03-17T20:59:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> otherwise i haven't the foggiest...
2021-03-17T21:00:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ah yes whois on websites on the same IP is ddevault
2021-03-17T21:07:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well that explains some things. Wonder why libc/init is empty still
2021-03-17T21:09:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Doh listed nothing in graphical user interface while being almost fanboyish about wayland
2021-03-17T21:24:21 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn, nxghtmvrx: yes, its ddevault
2021-03-17T21:27:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol what the fuck even is that list of C features they don't use
2021-03-17T21:27:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh no my software isn't simple I used typedef :(
2021-03-17T21:29:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "POSIX should probably be replaced when the time is right." .... replaced... with what?
2021-03-17T21:30:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> shut up don't ask that
2021-03-17T21:30:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> it will be replaced
2021-03-17T21:30:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> with something
2021-03-17T21:30:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Making things strictly by standart is dumb tho. There are things that POSIX never specified for example
2021-03-17T21:30:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> and you'll never guess when it'll get replaced
2021-03-17T21:30:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/standart/standard/
2021-03-17T21:30:42 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Making things strictly by standard is dumb tho. There are things that POSIX never specified for example
2021-03-17T21:31:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> nah, like obviously some situations make extensions unavoidable, but if possible I like to keep things POSIX
2021-03-17T21:41:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Any of you heard about MISRA C tho? Its interesting to say the least
2021-03-17T21:41:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something xkcd something something seventeen standards
2021-03-17T21:42:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah it exists since 1997. Not new thing anyways
2021-03-17T21:43:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I've seen a few linux/unix things using this standard somewhere
2021-03-17T21:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like it's mostly for embedded
2021-03-17T21:45:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Doesn't make it unusable or bad. I'd say its in pros
2021-03-17T21:45:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> not saying it's bad or anything
2021-03-17T21:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> just an observation
2021-03-17T21:47:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah ofc. I mean embedded world has sturdy standards for stuff to run
2021-03-17T21:49:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ominous_anonymou: it'll be replaced with the POSIXv2, Poettering Operating System standard
2021-03-17T21:49:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm not confident enough that that *isn't* a thing to look it up and check...
2021-03-17T21:50:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh nice. Exact thing for systemd-kerneld
2021-03-17T21:50:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> inb4 the entire kernel is rewritten in rust
2021-03-17T21:50:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Meh that's more of Redox thing
2021-03-17T21:51:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> They write tools to replace all C things with auto-generated rust code or something
2021-03-17T21:55:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But there's enough soydevs to scream about writing kernel modules in rust. Don't know and don't want to know about progress on that
2021-03-17T22:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> quick question because I'm too lazy to look this up
2021-03-17T22:01:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> how do you pass arguments to cmake during build-time ala configure?
2021-03-17T22:01:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> like for options?
2021-03-17T22:01:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah. such as the prefix
2021-03-17T22:02:06 #kisslinux <E5ten> -DOPTION=VALUE
2021-03-17T22:02:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> thx bby
2021-03-17T22:02:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> e.g. for prefix -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr or whatever
2021-03-17T22:02:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm packaging allegro because I want to try the game that was posted in chat earlier
2021-03-17T22:03:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> haha nice
2021-03-17T22:04:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool looks like it's packaging nicely
2021-03-17T22:04:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> will have to put that game together and push to git
2021-03-17T22:04:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> read CMakeLists.txt for all of the options specific to it
2021-03-17T22:04:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> but cmake options will be -DCMAKE_OPTION=BLA
2021-03-17T22:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> as shit as autoconf is, at least it's not cmake
2021-03-17T22:05:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> -G Ninja :v
2021-03-17T22:05:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> zoom zoom quick builds
2021-03-17T22:05:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> I vastly prefer cmake to autotools (mostly cuz of what dilyn just said lol)
2021-03-17T22:05:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> prewritten makefiles are the best regardless
2021-03-17T22:06:02 #kisslinux <betimsl> o/
2021-03-17T22:06:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would like cmake more if the initial bootstrapping weren't so time consuming, but once you have it it's pretty damn bueno
2021-03-17T22:06:25 #kisslinux <betimsl> just to inform, i fixed the printer :D
2021-03-17T22:06:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> gj
2021-03-17T22:06:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mostly prefer cmake because I don't need gmake :v
2021-03-17T22:06:34 #kisslinux <betimsl> some genius disabled the cups: https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/blob/master/extra/gtk%2B3/build
2021-03-17T22:06:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn: like when you're building it without cmake, not just building it in general right?
2021-03-17T22:06:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-17T22:06:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah without cmake
2021-03-17T22:07:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably disabled cups because it's optional
2021-03-17T22:07:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you already have it updates seem super quick, but the initial build takes forever
2021-03-17T22:07:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i find most kiss packages tend to be bare minimum viable
2021-03-17T22:07:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably disabled because it's technically unsupported? idk
2021-03-17T22:07:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> last I heard before betimsl showed up was nobody had a working cups...
2021-03-17T22:08:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> cups bad
2021-03-17T22:08:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> lpr good
2021-03-17T22:08:20 #kisslinux <merakor> I have had a working cups for a long time
2021-03-17T22:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> end of discussion
2021-03-17T22:08:47 #kisslinux <betimsl> cups bad, but it allows you to print on wifi printer...
2021-03-17T22:09:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> your first mistake was using wireless technology
2021-03-17T22:09:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> hah, gotim
2021-03-17T22:09:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> god fucking damnit
2021-03-17T22:09:21 #kisslinux <merakor> Wireless printers work better than wired printers actually
2021-03-17T22:09:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> cmake isn't finding allegro
2021-03-17T22:09:24 #kisslinux <betimsl> my laptop has only 2 usbc firewire ports
2021-03-17T22:09:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-03-17T22:09:46 #kisslinux <betimsl> that's only IO i've got
2021-03-17T22:09:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-17T22:09:55 #kisslinux <merakor> Like at least wireless printers are properly standardised
2021-03-17T22:10:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> my girlfrend's printer lets me just email docs to it. it's incredible.
2021-03-17T22:10:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes, living in the future is not so bad(tm)
2021-03-17T22:10:15 #kisslinux <merakor> You don't have to install a billion driver unlike wired
2021-03-17T22:10:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugh I have to actually read the makefile
2021-03-17T22:10:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-03-17T22:10:30 #kisslinux <betimsl> dilyn, tbh I don't know why all printers have that
2021-03-17T22:10:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the problem there is using a usb printer lmao
2021-03-17T22:10:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> embrace parallel
2021-03-17T22:10:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> just check AUR build, eh?
2021-03-17T22:11:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Printers are PoS in general
2021-03-17T22:11:15 #kisslinux <betimsl> pos?
2021-03-17T22:11:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> piece of shit
2021-03-17T22:11:21 #kisslinux <merakor> Piece of shit
2021-03-17T22:11:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> piece of ships
2021-03-17T22:11:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> printers, famously invented by theseus
2021-03-17T22:11:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> piece of shlongs
2021-03-17T22:11:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> part of solus
2021-03-17T22:11:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you replace every part of a printer
2021-03-17T22:11:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it really the same printer?
2021-03-17T22:11:59 #kisslinux <betimsl> all right, all right :D
2021-03-17T22:11:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-17T22:12:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T22:12:18 #kisslinux <merakor> The reason Stallman became Free Software Jesus was a broken printer with nonfree software
2021-03-17T22:12:26 #kisslinux <merakor> I am not even joking
2021-03-17T22:12:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean yeah p much
2021-03-17T22:12:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> how the fuck do I use the aur
2021-03-17T22:12:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> mad he could no longer print out his webpages to read later huh
2021-03-17T22:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> what is this zoomer interface
2021-03-17T22:13:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> why can't I have 80-column formatted ASCII
2021-03-17T22:13:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> zoomer faces new webpage
2021-03-17T22:13:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> becomes confused
2021-03-17T22:13:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I wish I was old, so I could have an excuse to not use technology
2021-03-17T22:13:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> seriously every time I use a "regular" computer now I get confused
2021-03-17T22:13:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> "where's the terminal?"
2021-03-17T22:13:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel this way about iphones
2021-03-17T22:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> "how do I install packages?"
2021-03-17T22:13:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> "how do I get to the home screen?"
2021-03-17T22:13:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> "where the fuck is my text editor?"
2021-03-17T22:13:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> "you unlock it... how?"
2021-03-17T22:14:02 #kisslinux <betimsl> s/install/compile*
2021-03-17T22:14:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay fr though
2021-03-17T22:14:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> why do no phones come with a decent text editor
2021-03-17T22:14:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not even talking vi or something
2021-03-17T22:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally just phone-notepad
2021-03-17T22:14:24 #kisslinux <acheam> markor is decent
2021-03-17T22:14:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> they come with everything else
2021-03-17T22:14:34 #kisslinux <merakor> Vi is pretty usable on androids
2021-03-17T22:14:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I text myself the things I need to write down
2021-03-17T22:14:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> camera, media player, gallery, calculator
2021-03-17T22:14:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but no plaintext editor
2021-03-17T22:14:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck guys
2021-03-17T22:14:45 #kisslinux <acheam> JuSt UsE ApPlE NoTeS
2021-03-17T22:14:48 #kisslinux <betimsl> midfavila, I was thinking why can't you develop say ios apps on iPad?
2021-03-17T22:15:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine thinking I would go within a hundred meters of iShit
2021-03-17T22:15:13 #kisslinux <betimsl> what would happen?
2021-03-17T22:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i turn to dust
2021-03-17T22:15:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Jesus, why would I want to code on a tablet?
2021-03-17T22:15:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to use a blackberry playbook with keyboard
2021-03-17T22:15:32 #kisslinux <acheam> ahem, mcpcpc
2021-03-17T22:15:33 #kisslinux <betimsl> merakor, with a bt kbd?
2021-03-17T22:15:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was pretty awesome
2021-03-17T22:15:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> like a little 7-inch unix netbook
2021-03-17T22:15:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> even got a root prompt
2021-03-17T22:16:02 #kisslinux <betimsl> BBs were awesome tbh
2021-03-17T22:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wish blackberry sold developer editions of their devices
2021-03-17T22:16:17 #kisslinux <merakor> I ssh into my machine from my phone to use Emacs while out for a smoke though. My statement is invalid.
2021-03-17T22:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, minus security features
2021-03-17T22:16:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> "here's a barebones OS and the hardware and nothing else for a lower price. do whatever you want but don't hold us accountable"
2021-03-17T22:16:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh sweet jesus
2021-03-17T22:16:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> how you gonna have two addictions mang
2021-03-17T22:16:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> merakor: lol when I go out for a smoke I'm in no condition to program ;)
2021-03-17T22:17:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to ssh into SDF from my passport
2021-03-17T22:17:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> v comfy
2021-03-17T22:17:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> man why the fuck do the arch people feel the need to use a bunch of functions
2021-03-17T22:17:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> like in their buildscripts
2021-03-17T22:17:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's totally unnecessary
2021-03-17T22:17:57 #kisslinux <merakor> E5ten: Sometimes I am extra frustrated and want to be done with it as soon as possible :D
2021-03-17T22:17:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> you mean build() install() etc?
2021-03-17T22:18:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-17T22:18:07 #kisslinux <E5ten> those are used by makepkg
2021-03-17T22:18:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...well fuck
2021-03-17T22:18:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's not just a script that calls its own functions
2021-03-17T22:18:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> you would think I'd know that considering I used CRUX for a year or so
2021-03-17T22:18:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> or it's build() and package() not install() lol
2021-03-17T22:18:54 #kisslinux <E5ten> iirc
2021-03-17T22:19:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> also optionally prepare() and check()
2021-03-17T22:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, wait a sec
2021-03-17T22:19:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> this isn't a cmake problem
2021-03-17T22:19:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> allegro just didn't generate the header file I needed
2021-03-17T22:19:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh
2021-03-17T22:19:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I swear if I have to install qt or gtk3 or some shit
2021-03-17T22:20:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> can you link the source for this thing btw? curious and probably gonna check it out in a bit
2021-03-17T22:20:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> a good cmake build system author would tell you what dependencies were found and what ones are needed :v
2021-03-17T22:21:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah usually you'll see a failure in the output that tells you what dep wasn't found
2021-03-17T22:21:39 #kisslinux <merakor> > a good cmake build system author
2021-03-17T22:21:40 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao
2021-03-17T22:22:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey for all its flaws the KDE devs did a marvelous job writing their CMakeLists.txt files
2021-03-17T22:22:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, the compiler or preprocessor or some shit tells you when it can't find a header
2021-03-17T22:22:18 #kisslinux <merakor> I'll take meson over cmake anyday
2021-03-17T22:22:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> the most parseable and understandable ones I've ever seen
2021-03-17T22:22:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> allegro didn't install allegro_native_dialog.h
2021-03-17T22:22:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> for some reason
2021-03-17T22:22:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> >> dialog
2021-03-17T22:22:33 #kisslinux <merakor> And meson requires python
2021-03-17T22:22:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip
2021-03-17T22:22:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the source for the game is linked above
2021-03-17T22:22:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/linleyh/liberation-circuit
2021-03-17T22:22:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but here it is again
2021-03-17T22:22:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> merakor: I prefer cmake over meson precisely because meson required python lol
2021-03-17T22:23:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> my problems with cmake extend to meson. it's too easy for people to just hobble together a meson.build and call it a day
2021-03-17T22:23:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> without actually making it *proper*
2021-03-17T22:23:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> also ^^
2021-03-17T22:24:17 #kisslinux <merakor> E5ten: That's really fair, I dislike them both. But in terms of performance and sanity I found meson to be better.
2021-03-17T22:24:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> cmake should be pretty much identical for perf if you use ninja
2021-03-17T22:25:11 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh, I didn't know that.
2021-03-17T22:25:33 #kisslinux <merakor> It makes sense though, ninja is really fast
2021-03-17T22:25:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> ninja changes the game honestly
2021-03-17T22:26:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> I just keep CMAKE_GENERATOR=Ninja exported always lol
2021-03-17T22:26:20 #kisslinux <merakor> I was just going to ask the environment variable :D
2021-03-17T22:26:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> no, you gotta force people to use ninja
2021-03-17T22:26:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> hard dependency. -G. ninja --build. all-in
2021-03-17T22:27:08 #kisslinux <merakor> Perfect
2021-03-17T22:27:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> whenever I'm writing a build script or something and it uses cmake I always use the cmake --build and cmake --install so that it works regardless of what someone has CMAKE_GENERATOR set to lol
2021-03-17T22:28:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> I will force my beliefs on unsuspecting forkers
2021-03-17T22:28:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> god fucking damnit
2021-03-17T22:28:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> the arch people don't upload pkgbuilds for their binary packages
2021-03-17T22:28:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is stupid
2021-03-17T22:30:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> wym?
2021-03-17T22:31:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm trying to get allegro to install the extra modules it needs to build Liberation Circuit and can't see how the arch people built their package
2021-03-17T22:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's mildly annoying
2021-03-17T22:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll probably just st- er, adapt, a build script from genthree or something
2021-03-17T22:32:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> assuming you have gtk installed it should build it yes?
2021-03-17T22:32:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> allegro's build system is literally just cmake . build
2021-03-17T22:32:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtk2, according to AUR
2021-03-17T22:32:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> cmake --build build
2021-03-17T22:32:36 #kisslinux <E5ten> they do upload them
2021-03-17T22:33:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/allegro/trunk/PKGBUILD right here lad
2021-03-17T22:33:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> go to the package page and then click "view source files"
2021-03-17T22:33:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> and yeah you'll get that lol
2021-03-17T22:33:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> why would they have a different page layout between regular and AUR packages..?
2021-03-17T22:33:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, whatever. this works
2021-03-17T22:33:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> hopefully, anyway
2021-03-17T22:34:09 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean it's pretty much identical, it's just clicking "view source files" vs clicking "view PKGBUILD"
2021-03-17T22:34:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> wasn't there libcirc-git in AUR tho? Why bother with bin?
2021-03-17T22:34:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> because the primary sources are hosted on github/gitlab
2021-03-17T22:34:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> and the aur is not
2021-03-17T22:34:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a recent transition
2021-03-17T22:34:51 #kisslinux <merakor> Because all AUR packages are a git repository of their own
2021-03-17T22:34:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah okay nvm that pkgbuild is garbage
2021-03-17T22:34:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm
2021-03-17T22:35:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> cringe
2021-03-17T22:35:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to actually read the docs then I guess
2021-03-17T22:35:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> not like I have anything better to do
2021-03-17T22:35:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> how is it garbage lmfao
2021-03-17T22:35:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's literally just cmake . build; make install
2021-03-17T22:35:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, dilyn, I know
2021-03-17T22:35:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm capable of reading and understanding the english language
2021-03-17T22:35:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-17T22:36:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> then what's garbage about it?
2021-03-17T22:36:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> that it doesn't solve the build problem.
2021-03-17T22:36:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> because it doesn't reveal the magic trick he somehow needs to do
2021-03-17T22:36:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would have assumed that would be obvious
2021-03-17T22:36:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> just grep the source tree for the file you need to see what is responsible for making and installing it
2021-03-17T22:36:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS_DEBUG=1 to see if it actually gets made
2021-03-17T22:42:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, great, it requires gtk3
2021-03-17T22:42:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> love it when everything online says it wants gtk2
2021-03-17T22:43:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> cucked again
2021-03-17T22:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu
2021-03-17T22:44:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ew why it even needs gtk. It doesn't uses it directly at least
2021-03-17T22:44:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> try -DWANT_NATIVE_DIALOG=OFF
2021-03-17T22:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> liberation circuit requires native dialogs
2021-03-17T22:44:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the problem.
2021-03-17T22:44:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh
2021-03-17T22:44:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> L
2021-03-17T22:51:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-NLf.png
2021-03-17T22:51:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing graphics
2021-03-17T22:51:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but at least it's working
2021-03-17T22:52:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably just needs to be configured
2021-03-17T23:14:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmao i was sitting here waiting for the png to finish loading
2021-03-17T23:54:46 #kisslinux <merakor> ngl fossil seems really interesting
2021-03-17T23:56:23 #kisslinux <merakor> It's like cvs without the brain damage