2021-03-21T00:00:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/"/)/
2021-03-21T00:00:05 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> (I'm assuming this is a clean install, correct me if I'm wrong)
2021-03-21T00:00:19 #kisslinux <zola> I should probably mention that i was able to boot and login on the console
2021-03-21T00:00:27 #kisslinux <zola> With a defconfing
2021-03-21T00:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yes, this definitely sounds like a firmware issue if you have AMDGPU built
2021-03-21T00:00:48 #kisslinux <zola> But that takes 1 hour to compile
2021-03-21T00:01:08 #kisslinux <zola> The moment i change anything the kernel no longer boots
2021-03-21T00:01:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> Are you versed in kernel configuration, zola?
2021-03-21T00:01:39 #kisslinux <zola> Not too much
2021-03-21T00:01:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> Right. Do you have a spare machine or a USB drive with a regular liveboot distro on it?
2021-03-21T00:02:00 #kisslinux <zola> But i try to leave the stuff i don't understand alone
2021-03-21T00:02:14 #kisslinux <zola> Yes, i have a void linux iso
2021-03-21T00:02:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm. I'm not familiar with Void, but I assume they ship a working kernel config.
2021-03-21T00:03:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'd suggest you boot into that environment, then mount your KISS partition, chroot into it using the same method as during install, and reconfigure your kernel with the command `make localyesconfig`
2021-03-21T00:03:03 #kisslinux <zola> Well it does boot
2021-03-21T00:04:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS?
2021-03-21T00:04:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> Or Void?
2021-03-21T00:05:25 #kisslinux <zola> KISS or Void what?
2021-03-21T00:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> In relation to "Well it does boot"
2021-03-21T00:05:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not sure how to interpret that.
2021-03-21T00:05:45 #kisslinux <zola> Void
2021-03-21T00:06:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah. Then you should be able to do as I suggested, if you can access a shell prompt.
2021-03-21T00:06:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> It should result in a kernel configuration that is similar to the Void kernel. Hopefully it will at least boot without panicking, under KISS.
2021-03-21T00:08:25 #kisslinux <zola> Likely, but i think void uses initramfs to boot
2021-03-21T00:08:32 #kisslinux <zola> Will that be a problem?
2021-03-21T00:08:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm. Unless you're configured your KISS install to use initramfs, probably.
2021-03-21T00:08:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't use initramfs or GRUB so I'm not sure I'd be much help there.
2021-03-21T00:10:00 #kisslinux <zola> Do you think copying initramfs.img from voids /boot would work?
2021-03-21T00:10:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> If anything, you can try, but like I said I'm not sure.
2021-03-21T00:10:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> At the least it can't hurt.
2021-03-21T00:10:54 #kisslinux <zola> True
2021-03-21T00:27:42 #kisslinux <zola> Ok, i tried something else
2021-03-21T00:28:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh?
2021-03-21T00:28:47 #kisslinux <zola> I copied the vmlinuz initramfs System.map and config from voids /boot directory to KISS
2021-03-21T00:29:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> And? Any luck?
2021-03-21T00:29:24 #kisslinux <zola> It does boot, with a few errors, but will work until i can compile a proper kernel
2021-03-21T00:29:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's good to hear, at least. Feel free to ping me if you need any more help
2021-03-21T00:29:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll be on for a while longer.
2021-03-21T00:30:00 #kisslinux <zola> Thanks
2021-03-21T00:30:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Not a problem at all.
2021-03-21T02:09:29 #kisslinux <acheam> new song!
2021-03-21T02:10:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Where.
2021-03-21T02:10:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Is.
2021-03-21T02:10:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> My.
2021-03-21T02:10:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Word.
2021-03-21T02:10:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Of.
2021-03-21T02:10:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> The.
2021-03-21T02:10:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> Day?
2021-03-21T02:10:27 #kisslinux <acheam> *sigh*
2021-03-21T02:10:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> Good boy.
2021-03-21T02:17:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >noop
2021-03-21T02:17:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I vote that `maddq' be the next wotd
2021-03-21T02:18:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hey, shut up, noop is a great word.
2021-03-21T02:19:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >next
2021-03-21T02:19:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> WotD is a thing now
2021-03-21T02:19:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Deal with it, nerds.
2021-03-21T02:19:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uh, what?
2021-03-21T02:19:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, we are changing the wotd every day, right?
2021-03-21T02:19:34 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: maddq?
2021-03-21T02:19:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "maddq" == multiply-add long int
2021-03-21T02:19:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "noop" == no-op
2021-03-21T02:20:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you know, x86_64 asm
2021-03-21T02:20:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> please laugh :3
2021-03-21T02:20:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yes, I know. I was... oh, never mind = w=
2021-03-21T02:20:19 #kisslinux <acheam> HAHA
2021-03-21T02:20:25 #kisslinux * kiedtl drumroll
2021-03-21T02:20:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> Insert Tidus laugh.
2021-03-21T02:20:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I can't find any thing about maddq online
2021-03-21T02:20:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA.
2021-03-21T02:20:41 #kisslinux <acheam> or maybe this is some stupid joke i'm not getting
2021-03-21T02:20:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, what do I know, I've never written a line of intel assembly in my life
2021-03-21T02:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've only read it.
2021-03-21T02:21:11 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-21T02:21:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: "noop" is the name of an asm instruction, so I suggested maddq, which is another intel instruction. You're right, it was a stupid joke
2021-03-21T02:21:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> Still need to get back to fucking around with WinRar...
2021-03-21T02:21:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> WinRar supports linux?
2021-03-21T02:21:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-03-21T02:21:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you monster
2021-03-21T02:21:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Look, x64dbg is easier to use than GDB
2021-03-21T02:21:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Shut up.
2021-03-21T02:22:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need my gooey.
2021-03-21T02:22:27 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: right, I just can't find any documentation online of "maddq"
2021-03-21T02:22:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I might have misspeeled it, I guess.
2021-03-21T02:22:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> Normally assembler is three letters
2021-03-21T02:22:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> No
2021-03-21T02:22:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> movq comes to mind
2021-03-21T02:23:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its just "madd"
2021-03-21T02:23:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, in at&t syntax, that is, midfavila
2021-03-21T02:23:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> Every time I've messed with it, it's been three-letter opcodes.
2021-03-21T02:23:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: I think that's intell syntax, afaik at&t syntax would include the bit width
2021-03-21T02:23:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> Must have been AT&T
2021-03-21T02:23:41 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: I see
2021-03-21T02:23:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> idk, like I said, I've never written x86 asm in my life
2021-03-21T02:24:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> Quick search doesn't reveal anything. Meh.
2021-03-21T02:24:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nothing lost nothing gained.
2021-03-21T02:25:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> all my homies program assembler in zachtronics games anyway
2021-03-21T03:04:49 #kisslinux <travankor> Cniles use C to smooth out the garbage that is known as x86 asm
2021-03-21T03:05:50 #kisslinux <travankor> smh we need to switch to RISC asm
2021-03-21T03:09:50 #kisslinux <travankor> https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter
2021-03-21T03:10:08 #kisslinux <travankor> mfw x86_64 is so bad you need to write fuzzers for it
2021-03-21T03:11:44 #kisslinux <travankor> completely random, but monoid font's an interesting one
2021-03-21T03:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's CISC computing for yuo
2021-03-21T03:11:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/yuo/you/
2021-03-21T03:11:58 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> that's CISC computing for you
2021-03-21T03:12:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also completely random, but I have a question for the 1337 programmers in here
2021-03-21T03:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sorry to butt in travankor
2021-03-21T03:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> why do people obsess about big O performance of algorithms when sometimes average would be more important, i.e theta?
2021-03-21T03:12:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> is it a FAANG meme or am I just a retarded brainlet?
2021-03-21T03:13:37 #kisslinux <travankor> i think it's a CS department meme
2021-03-21T03:14:06 #kisslinux <travankor> just like Haskell's a completely trash lang but exists solely because of CS departments
2021-03-21T03:17:56 #kisslinux <travankor> but then again, i've never written any performance-critical code, lol
2021-03-21T03:18:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, yeah
2021-03-21T03:18:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> obvs complexity is important in some applications
2021-03-21T03:18:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> e.g RTOSes or an SSL lib
2021-03-21T03:18:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but I don't think, say, emacs needs to focus on worst-case performance
2021-03-21T03:18:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the world (probably) won't explode if it optimizes for average performance
2021-03-21T03:18:50 #kisslinux <travankor> but CS department people get autistic about big O for stuff like python
2021-03-21T03:18:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's because python is dogshit
2021-03-21T03:19:02 #kisslinux <acheam> for big datasets, big O can be important
2021-03-21T03:19:06 #kisslinux <acheam> but for daily computing
2021-03-21T03:19:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also that
2021-03-21T03:19:08 #kisslinux <acheam> not really
2021-03-21T03:19:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm talking about daily stuff
2021-03-21T03:19:17 #kisslinux <acheam> you're probably fine
2021-03-21T03:19:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like, checking your email, terminal programs, browsers, whatever
2021-03-21T03:19:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it irks me when I see all these people talking about muh ooze
2021-03-21T03:19:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because it seems stupid to me to optimize for edge cases, except in some applications
2021-03-21T03:20:29 #kisslinux <travankor> i think big o is mostly good for exam/interview questions
2021-03-21T03:20:38 #kisslinux <travankor> like, sure, there are reald world uses for it
2021-03-21T03:20:51 #kisslinux <travankor> but it's more useful for interview-type gotchas
2021-03-21T03:21:02 #kisslinux <travankor> s/gotchas/gotcha questions/
2021-03-21T03:21:03 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> but it's more useful for interview-type gotcha questions
2021-03-21T03:21:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "yes please determine if the concatenation of two palindromes is palindromic optimized for worst case sars"
2021-03-21T03:22:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this is part of why I will never be a professional programmer
2021-03-21T03:23:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> stupid bullshit questions and demands
2021-03-21T03:30:32 #kisslinux <jslick> I went through that bullshit and now I get to use linux all day and avoid winblows.  Worth it.  Certainly situations are different for everyone, but being able to answer these things opens up possibilities.  Plus, CS is fun.
2021-03-21T03:30:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if I end up working with tech as a career I just want to be a sysadmin
2021-03-21T03:31:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> enough programming to actually motivate me, but no hard deadlines or shit like scrum to deal with in relation to it. just set up and maintain shit
2021-03-21T03:31:42 #kisslinux <jslick> * ssh'ing into remote machines using putty :P
2021-03-21T03:32:15 #kisslinux <jslick> SRE might be an interesting position
2021-03-21T03:32:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "SRE"?
2021-03-21T03:33:00 #kisslinux <jslick> sight reliability engineer.  It's a bit like what you said "enough programming to actually motivate me, but no hard deadlines or shit like scrum to deal with in relation to it. just set up and maintain shit"
2021-03-21T03:33:27 #kisslinux <jslick> *site
2021-03-21T03:33:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Oh. That's what I guessed, but wasn't sure
2021-03-21T03:33:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> As long as I don't have to deal with too many normies and my job is relatively chill s'long as I don't fuck up constantly, I'm content
2021-03-21T03:34:01 #kisslinux <jslick> yeah, that's SRE lol
2021-03-21T03:34:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I'm interested in a little bit of security stuff too, maybe on the side. Who knows.
2021-03-21T03:34:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I already have ins at local companies so I guess I'm lucky in that sense.
2021-03-21T03:35:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> apparently being able to use shit like reaver and metasploit is impressive. i don't think so, but whatever works
2021-03-21T04:08:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, check reaver commit log
2021-03-21T04:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghwhy
2021-03-21T04:11:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> to see my name all over the place
2021-03-21T04:11:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nice flex?
2021-03-21T08:12:00 #kisslinux <varbhat> Hello, can this group be bridged with telegram?
2021-03-21T08:17:05 #kisslinux <travankor> there's a kiss telegram group?
2021-03-21T08:17:46 #kisslinux <travankor> btw i'm still looking at keeb layouts
2021-03-21T08:17:55 #kisslinux <travankor> gotta find the best one
2021-03-21T08:20:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bridging to irc requires you to message the appservice and create an account, so puppeted telegram users won't be able to login here anyways
2021-03-21T08:20:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> @varbhat:matrix.org
2021-03-21T08:25:12 #kisslinux <travankor> next, ppl will ask to bridge discord in here .-.
2021-03-21T08:55:19 #kisslinux <varbhat> <travankor "next, ppl will ask to bridge dis"> telegram is actually good if you want to use in mobile
2021-03-21T08:59:55 #kisslinux <travankor> better than matrix ? 😏
2021-03-21T09:00:41 #kisslinux <travankor> varbhat: mobile irc client https://git.sr.ht/~emersion/gamja
2021-03-21T10:26:39 #kisslinux <varbhat> <travankor "better than matrix ? 😏"> matrix mobile clients need improvement. i am currently messaging here via element app. i have also tried fluffy chat. these apps need very much improvements
2021-03-21T10:26:56 #kisslinux <varbhat> <travankor "Var Bhat: mobile irc client http"> need to host somewhere,right?
2021-03-21T13:32:35 #kisslinux <acheam> varbhat: I'm gonna say no
2021-03-21T13:32:41 #kisslinux <acheam> but dilyn might be open to it
2021-03-21T13:33:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its not possible anyways
2021-03-21T13:33:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> in the current bridged room
2021-03-21T13:33:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi acheam
2021-03-21T13:33:31 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-03-21T13:34:08 #kisslinux <acheam> which current bridged room?
2021-03-21T13:34:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the one he's talking from
2021-03-21T13:34:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> on matrix
2021-03-21T13:34:42 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-03-21T15:37:00 #kisslinux <acheam> apologies if I bounce a little bit
2021-03-21T15:47:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> >telegram bridge
2021-03-21T15:47:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> god no
2021-03-21T15:47:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to engage with KISS use IRC or Matrix afaic
2021-03-21T15:52:10 #kisslinux <acheam> > Matrix
2021-03-21T15:58:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't we have a matrix bridge?
2021-03-21T15:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> if not then that's great
2021-03-21T15:58:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> matrilets destroyed
2021-03-21T15:59:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh boy, my disk controller card just showed up
2021-03-21T15:59:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> or the notice to pick it up from the post office did, at least
2021-03-21T15:59:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> how terribly exciting
2021-03-21T15:59:39 #kisslinux <acheam> idk how the matrix users connect
2021-03-21T15:59:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but still, its not as good as pure irc
2021-03-21T16:00:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally they would stop sinning
2021-03-21T16:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but not all non-believers will accept our mercy peacefully
2021-03-21T16:02:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> the dude who used to live in my apartment never bothered to update his address so his mail keeps getting sent to me
2021-03-21T16:02:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's so annoying
2021-03-21T16:04:22 #kisslinux <acheam> commit mail fraud
2021-03-21T16:04:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm at the point where I just put it above the mailboxes and call it a day
2021-03-21T16:04:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise all the fucking court notices would be spilling out of mine
2021-03-21T16:04:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> talked to the landlord a few times but he's useless
2021-03-21T16:05:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think I'll mention it when I go in to pick up my controller card
2021-03-21T16:21:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <acheam "idk how the matrix users connect"> you pm an "appservice" (bot) with sign up credentials and stuff and it relays messages on your behalf
2021-03-21T16:21:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and it creates fake matrix users and sends irc user messages from those
2021-03-21T16:23:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw it's in nodejs which makes using it an even bigger sin
2021-03-21T16:25:39 #kisslinux <acheam> seems like it works well though
2021-03-21T18:29:44 #kisslinux <varbhat> <acheam "Var Bhat: I'm gonna say no"> https://t2bot.io/telegram/
2021-03-21T18:31:57 #kisslinux <varbhat> !tg bridge 1001488477255
2021-03-21T18:32:50 #kisslinux <varbhat> !tg bridge 1001488477255
2021-03-21T18:33:03 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- Hello, I'm a Telegram bridge bot. Use `!tg help` for help.
2021-03-21T18:33:19 #kisslinux <varbhat> !tg help
2021-03-21T18:33:29 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- You do not have the permissions to bridge This room.
2021-03-21T18:33:29 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **This is not a management room**: you must prefix commands with `!tg`.
2021-03-21T18:33:29 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- #### General
2021-03-21T18:33:29 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **cancel**  - Cancel an ongoing action.
2021-03-21T18:33:30 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **version**  - Get the bridge version.
2021-03-21T18:33:30 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **help**  - Show this help message.
2021-03-21T18:33:30 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- #### Authentication
2021-03-21T18:33:30 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **ping**  - Check if you're logged into Telegram.
2021-03-21T18:33:31 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **ping-bot**  - Get the info of the message relay Telegram bot.
2021-03-21T18:33:31 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- #### Creating portals
2021-03-21T18:33:32 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **bridge** [_id_] - Bridge the current Matrix room to the Telegram chat with the given ID. The ID must be the prefixed version that you get with the `/id` command of the Telegram-side bot.
2021-03-21T18:33:32 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- #### Portal management
2021-03-21T18:33:33 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **config** <`help`|_subcommand_> [...] - View or change per-portal settings.
2021-03-21T18:33:33 #kisslinux -TelegramBridge[m- **delete-portal**  - Remove all users from the current portal room and forget the portal. Only works for group chats; to delete a private chat portal, simply leave the room.
2021-03-21T18:33:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus christ
2021-03-21T18:34:08 #kisslinux * varbhat  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DNDjuxWuFlboFwEFkEKrQTxl/message.txt >
2021-03-21T18:34:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off with that shit
2021-03-21T18:35:50 #kisslinux <varbhat> midfavila which Mobile phone do you use?
2021-03-21T18:35:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> me when I just show up to a channel and start trying to make a bridge after everyone is like "no, don't do that, we don't want that bridge"
2021-03-21T18:38:21 #kisslinux <varbhat> you are right. i must not have done it.
2021-03-21T18:39:15 #kisslinux <varbhat> but, latter part is false. i am probably reading this channel since atleast mid 2019 . i had joined this channel back in dec 2020 ,lol
2021-03-21T18:40:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean the "just show up" part isn't really the important thing there, it's the "start trying to make a bridge after everyone is like 'no, don't do that, we don't want that bridge'"
2021-03-21T18:44:26 #kisslinux <varbhat> whatever. sorry
2021-03-21T19:52:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the one thing I hate about notebooks is the lack of a full keyboard
2021-03-21T19:52:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I want a proper pair of page keys, goddamnit!
2021-03-21T19:53:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "proper" as in including the Home/End buttons?
2021-03-21T19:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that would also be ideal yes
2021-03-21T19:54:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my x201t had a pretty good layout for a notebook
2021-03-21T19:55:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sadly, the x201t is also a garbage laptop
2021-03-21T19:55:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, now it's just garbage
2021-03-21T19:55:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but you get my point
2021-03-21T19:56:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah
2021-03-21T20:01:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> then again that's part of what you sacrifice when you buy a notebook, I guess
2021-03-21T20:43:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> worst are notebook keyboards with a numpad glued to the right
2021-03-21T20:44:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> But why would you want them on the left?
2021-03-21T20:44:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> usually they have a tiny right shift key and whenever you wanna use you accidentally hit a cursor
2021-03-21T20:44:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i dont want *any*
2021-03-21T20:44:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, anti-numpad club, lol
2021-03-21T20:45:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it takes away so much space, they make the shift, enter and cursor keys tiny in exchange
2021-03-21T20:46:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> True, it's a hassle on tiny laptop keyboards
2021-03-21T20:46:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> my laptop has a numpad, but my right shift key isn't tiny in exchange at all, it's actually slightly bigger than my left shift
2021-03-21T20:46:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> my arrow keys are short, but that's not affected by numpad, and they're wide, which would be, and my enter key size is fine too
2021-03-21T20:47:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> that's not to say I'm pro-numpad, I pretty much never use it, but clearly it can be added to laptops without negatively impacting the size of the keys on the right
2021-03-21T20:47:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a friend got a 15" lenovo, and every fucking time i need to press shift in the terminal i end up with cursor-up instead, which puts an old command into the term
2021-03-21T20:48:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> lmao yeah I just googled 15 lenovo keyboard and they didn't handle that well at all
2021-03-21T20:48:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> that right shift is ludicrous
2021-03-21T20:50:06 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's the one where the right shift is the same size as arrow keys and is in the space above the right arrow and to the right of the up arrow?
2021-03-21T20:50:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah
2021-03-21T20:51:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> nightmare fuel
2021-03-21T20:52:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> more or less like http://techdissected.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Lenovo-Edge-15-Keyboard-Image-1.jpg
2021-03-21T20:53:00 #kisslinux * E5ten uploaded an image: (477KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VmempYQgJNGLVKbzuLVFoRtf/image.png >
2021-03-21T20:53:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they should just get rid of the useless numpad instead and make properly distanced cursor block and normal-size shift and return key
2021-03-21T20:53:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> I was looking at that
2021-03-21T20:54:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lol that's even worse
2021-03-21T20:54:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah lol
2021-03-21T20:54:20 #kisslinux <E5ten> https://laptoping.com/specs/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Dell-Inspiron-15-5000-5502-4.jpg this is what my keyboard is like
2021-03-21T20:55:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> don't love the arrow key height but that's unrelated to numpad I think
2021-03-21T20:55:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> cursor key block is one of the most important parts
2021-03-21T20:56:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> at least when you edit text or play games
2021-03-21T20:56:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> not if you use vim :p
2021-03-21T20:57:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :-p
2021-03-21T21:02:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >games
2021-03-21T21:02:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> May I introduce you to wasd, heathen?
2021-03-21T21:03:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> may i introduce you to dosbox ? :>
2021-03-21T21:03:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> iirc doom was the first game with wasd
2021-03-21T21:03:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> might even have been quake
2021-03-21T21:03:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> doom had wasd? I only ever used mouse
2021-03-21T21:03:55 #kisslinux * kiedtl wants to reinstall freedoom
2021-03-21T21:03:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> tbf, I would say for 2D platformers that arrow keys are better than wasd
2021-03-21T21:04:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> how so?
2021-03-21T21:04:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> because wasd can be bound to other functions?
2021-03-21T21:04:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> well specifically 2d platformers that don't use the mouse
2021-03-21T21:04:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> and then you use z and x (and maybe a and s if there are 4 buttons) as equivalents to controller-style ab and xy
2021-03-21T21:05:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> if a game (whether 2d platformer or not) uses mouse, obviously arrow keys are a bad option
2021-03-21T21:06:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> most old dos games had fixed keyboard controls, only way to change them is via dosbox global mapping :/
2021-03-21T21:07:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> usually first thing you do after installing a new game is a keyboard walk to find out which keys do something
2021-03-21T21:38:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gonna try having chickpeas with my rice tonight
2021-03-21T21:38:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> we're gettin' real experimental up in here
2021-03-21T21:39:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you dont like genmodified wheat pasta ?
2021-03-21T21:39:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mm, curried chickpeas are the best
2021-03-21T21:39:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no, wait, black beans are, nevermind
2021-03-21T21:42:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm not much of a curry dude
2021-03-21T21:46:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What chickpea preparation are you trying?
2021-03-21T21:48:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> uncan and dump into pot
2021-03-21T21:48:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> very sophisticated
2021-03-21T21:48:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ew, no seasoning?
2021-03-21T21:48:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nah, I'm cooking it with the rice
2021-03-21T21:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> using beef broth, some garlic powder... stuff.
2021-03-21T21:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i don't have a lot of groceries rn
2021-03-21T21:48:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't judge me
2021-03-21T21:50:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, at least you're using beef broth :) I thought it was plain rice + plain chickpleas
2021-03-21T21:50:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/pl/p
2021-03-21T21:50:30 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl> Ah, at least you're using beef broth :) I thought it was pain rice + plain chickpleas
2021-03-21T21:50:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> bastard
2021-03-21T21:50:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ew no
2021-03-21T21:50:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I'm also gonna mix some eggs in, just for some more substance.
2021-03-21T21:51:01 #kisslinux <armaa> yum
2021-03-21T21:51:24 #kisslinux <armaa> wtf kiedtl
2021-03-21T21:51:26 #kisslinux <armaa> https://i.imgur.com/kPf3vCT.png
2021-03-21T21:51:44 #kisslinux <armaa> gave me a heart attack
2021-03-21T21:51:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hehe
2021-03-21T21:52:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> b&
2021-03-21T21:53:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> b^
2021-03-21T21:53:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> go away
2021-03-21T21:53:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no u
2021-03-21T21:53:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> make me
2021-03-21T21:53:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> bitch
2021-03-21T21:53:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :^)
2021-03-21T21:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> rude
2021-03-21T21:54:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> since you insisted...
2021-03-21T21:54:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm a valued member of this community
2021-03-21T21:54:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it grieved me to do so, you know
2021-03-21T21:54:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> shameful display
2021-03-21T21:54:34 #kisslinux <armaa> oh what
2021-03-21T21:54:36 #kisslinux <armaa> my nick!
2021-03-21T21:54:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> commit sudoku directly
2021-03-21T21:54:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I never liked sudoku
2021-03-21T21:54:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> neither did I
2021-03-21T21:54:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> And what would I commit it into, a git repo?
2021-03-21T21:55:05 #kisslinux <armaa> :nick acheam_
2021-03-21T21:55:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> probably your stomach
2021-03-21T21:55:13 #kisslinux <acheam_> damn it
2021-03-21T21:55:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's what sudoku is about right
2021-03-21T21:55:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> disembowelment
2021-03-21T21:55:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what?
2021-03-21T21:55:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> isn't sudoku a puzzle?
2021-03-21T21:55:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> redditor detected
2021-03-21T21:55:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> begone, pleb
2021-03-21T21:55:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam_: /msg nickserv ghost
2021-03-21T21:56:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh wait, it's japanese suicide
2021-03-21T21:56:07 #kisslinux <acheam_> kiedtl: sudoku = seppuku to people like midfavila1
2021-03-21T21:56:07 #kisslinux <soliwilos> That would be seppuku.
2021-03-21T21:56:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh
2021-03-21T21:56:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> conglaturation
2021-03-21T21:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you figure out puzzle
2021-03-21T21:56:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> save planet
2021-03-21T21:56:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you great hero now
2021-03-21T21:56:34 #kisslinux <acheam_> "You may not ghost acheam"
2021-03-21T21:56:38 #kisslinux <acheam_> eh I'll figure it out later
2021-03-21T21:56:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> are you logged in?
2021-03-21T21:56:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also
2021-03-21T21:56:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >people like midfavila
2021-03-21T21:57:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> what did he mean by this
2021-03-21T21:57:08 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: ah that'd do it lol
2021-03-21T21:57:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :)
2021-03-21T22:01:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't ignore me acheam >:c
2021-03-21T22:08:52 #kisslinux <acheam> people who are like you!
2021-03-21T22:10:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >::::::::::::::::::::::::::C
2021-03-21T22:10:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that sounds very intolerant
2021-03-21T22:10:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what else would you have him say >=|
2021-03-21T22:11:00 #kisslinux * midfavila1 cackles
2021-03-21T22:11:46 #kisslinux <acheam> oh boy
2021-03-21T22:12:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fear me, for I hold the greatest power of all
2021-03-21T22:12:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> a power even greater than that of the sysops
2021-03-21T22:12:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i posess... the HR department's sallaries!
2021-03-21T22:13:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> man these beans are pretty good.
2021-03-21T22:27:58 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> >All hail red hat
2021-03-21T22:28:01 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> heck no
2021-03-21T22:32:17 #kisslinux <haversham> dilyn: can you add a post-install message to x265's latest update, ffmpeg needs to be rebuilt
2021-03-21T22:42:00 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> discrete card likes turning itself back on >:|
2021-03-21T22:42:34 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I wonder how far can I got without a weird lock up from it
2021-03-21T22:42:40 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> get*
2021-03-21T23:06:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> haversham: I can do that. I should've noticed that.
2021-03-21T23:06:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> 'shared libraries are great! You'll only have to rebuild things sometimes, and onto for major version bumps!' those fuckers LIED
2021-03-21T23:07:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> Update on the PC: looks sick. Rust still takes forever to could, so the 3900x is a piece of garbage
2021-03-21T23:07:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> s/could/build/
2021-03-21T23:07:43 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilynm> Update on the PC: looks sick. Rust still takes forever to build, so the 3900x is a piece of garbage
2021-03-21T23:10:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> One hour! It took one whole hour!
2021-03-21T23:15:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not that AMD chips are trash
2021-03-21T23:15:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> (even if a lot of them are)
2021-03-21T23:15:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's that rust overrides your makeflags
2021-03-21T23:15:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> *shocked pikachu*
2021-03-21T23:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> takes longer for me to build rust on my 48t workstation than my 4t gaming PC
2021-03-21T23:15:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the individual clocks are lower on the workstation
2021-03-21T23:15:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> and afaik rust is locked at four jobs during build
2021-03-21T23:16:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> love the future
2021-03-21T23:18:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> 3.8 >>> 2.4 so I guess thank God
2021-03-21T23:19:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> Also: Arch dmesg claims my card is polaris 12, so that's a fun hint. Not much other information of import though so I'm gonna just *pray* it works
2021-03-21T23:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=qhTL3sOINKY
2021-03-21T23:49:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> SotD suggestion
2021-03-21T23:58:14 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry mid
2021-03-21T23:58:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> first you insult me and force me to go to HR
2021-03-21T23:58:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> now you reject my amazing suggestion
2021-03-21T23:58:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> where will acheam strike next