2021-03-24T03:20:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-24T03:20:11 #kisslinux <travankor> hi
2021-03-24T03:24:35 #kisslinux <travankor> ded
2021-03-24T03:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh
2021-03-24T03:28:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> why do e-readers suck so fucking much
2021-03-24T03:30:44 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-03-24T03:40:55 #kisslinux <acheam> new song and word
2021-03-24T03:41:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> eheh
2021-03-24T03:41:22 #kisslinux <acheam> in a few months I'm going to have to do song, word, manpage, command, git repo, and package
2021-03-24T03:41:43 #kisslinux <acheam> and mid will have a suggestion for each one that I will never accept
2021-03-24T03:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck you too
2021-03-24T03:42:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should listen to me more often
2021-03-24T03:42:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a valued contributor to this project you know
2021-03-24T03:43:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I did! Word of the day!
2021-03-24T03:43:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I wouldn't take that for granted
2021-03-24T03:43:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't contradict me
2021-03-24T03:43:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-03-24T03:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-24T03:50:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> friendly reminder that linux power-users collectively failed Sharp in the early '00s
2021-03-24T03:50:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and fucking destroyed our chances at a libre-friendly portable device
2021-03-24T03:50:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, the librem and pinephone don't count, because they both suck
2021-03-24T03:51:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> we could have had modular portable devices running a fully-free system and we fucked it up
2021-03-24T03:51:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://rust-gcc.github.io/
2021-03-24T03:51:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-03-24T03:52:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the worst timeline
2021-03-24T03:52:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm leaving
2021-03-24T03:52:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> you assholes are on your own
2021-03-24T03:52:24 #kisslinux <travankor> lmao
2021-03-24T03:52:25 #kisslinux * midfavila proceeds to write a device for manipulating space-time in Common Lisp
2021-03-24T03:53:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> brb asassinating bill gates, dennis ritchie, ken thompson and brian kernhigan
2021-03-24T03:55:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://bugs.python.org/issue38527 i figured out why python is so dumb
2021-03-24T03:55:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> alternative title: why toybox grep is inadequate
2021-03-24T03:55:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> toybox bad
2021-03-24T03:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> this post brought to you by sbase gang
2021-03-24T03:56:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'd imagine sbase grep has a similar problem, no?
2021-03-24T03:56:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> a cursory inspection of this report suggests to me the problem lies with the script
2021-03-24T03:56:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> not with grep
2021-03-24T03:57:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something GNuisms
2021-03-24T03:57:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something ggrep
2021-03-24T03:57:57 #kisslinux <travankor> grep compiled binaries?
2021-03-24T03:58:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-24T03:58:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-03-24T03:58:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-24T03:58:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignoring that that's fucking stupid
2021-03-24T03:58:10 #kisslinux <travankor> something something python dumb
2021-03-24T03:58:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's how it checks endianness. which seems very incorrect
2021-03-24T03:58:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm pretty sure file reports endianness
2021-03-24T03:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, yes it does
2021-03-24T03:58:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> some systems might not have file
2021-03-24T03:58:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> is file not posix?
2021-03-24T03:59:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> this guarantees nothing!
2021-03-24T03:59:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> what if my OS isn't POSIX!
2021-03-24T03:59:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> then go fuck yourself
2021-03-24T03:59:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> cunt
2021-03-24T03:59:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> lemme run python wah
2021-03-24T03:59:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> comply with the bare minimum or suffer
2021-03-24T03:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> EOF
2021-03-24T04:00:24 #kisslinux <acheam> PoSiX iS sO nInTiEs
2021-03-24T04:00:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid what provides file for you
2021-03-24T04:00:31 #kisslinux <acheam> jUst uSe FiSh
2021-03-24T04:00:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the file package provides my file
2021-03-24T04:00:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's probably GNU
2021-03-24T04:00:58 #kisslinux <travankor> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/file.html
2021-03-24T04:01:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> kek so you have escaped nothing
2021-03-24T04:01:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> toybox file does not tell me endianness...
2021-03-24T04:01:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip
2021-03-24T04:02:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure you could probably use od to check endianness
2021-03-24T04:02:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah, LSB
2021-03-24T04:02:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> i just can't read
2021-03-24T04:02:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a mood
2021-03-24T04:03:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> big mood
2021-03-24T04:04:32 #kisslinux <acheam> the biggest of all moods
2021-03-24T04:05:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, the biggest of all moods is "god I'm such a retard and can't into anything, time to kms"
2021-03-24T04:05:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=nRRRtpOnBgA
2021-03-24T04:05:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> next SotD plox
2021-03-24T04:08:30 #kisslinux <acheam> sure
2021-03-24T04:08:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is an initial d chat now
2021-03-24T04:10:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> "do you even drive a manual bro"
2021-03-24T04:27:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> the saddest thing so far in my quest-to-drop-gzip is that the linux kernel uses gzip -n and zstd-gzip doesn't support it :'(
2021-03-24T07:10:20 #kisslinux <travankor> hi
2021-03-24T07:28:42 #kisslinux <travankor> why does everyone want to cancel stallman?
2021-03-24T07:45:15 #kisslinux <travankor>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzZ8R4gphE
2021-03-24T07:47:42 #kisslinux <travankor> the virgin kiss linux vs the chad serenity os
2021-03-24T07:48:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Because stallman is an extremist
2021-03-24T07:48:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Don't get me wrong I like stallman and I am glad he is back on board
2021-03-24T07:49:07 #kisslinux <merakor> But he is so extremist that lots of shit he says gets misinterpreted and used against him
2021-03-24T07:51:13 #kisslinux <travankor> I read the new petition to rms, and I'm sure most of the people who signed aren't even interested in the FSF, they just want RMS gone.
2021-03-24T07:52:05 #kisslinux <merakor> He is the type of guy that offends every political spectrum because the dude has no understanding on reading the room
2021-03-24T07:52:53 #kisslinux <merakor> travankor: what petition?
2021-03-24T07:54:14 #kisslinux <travankor> https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
2021-03-24T07:55:02 #kisslinux <merakor> And the reason he was forced to quit FSF and MIT was saying a dumb shit that was so misplaced that it made him look like a pedophilia-apologist
2021-03-24T08:00:21 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe I am wrong and I just don't see the actual reasons, but from the little time I have spent listening Stallman, it occurred to me that he was anti-misogynist and was never a transphobe
2021-03-24T08:04:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> the open letter's apendix has some stuff regarding his views on gender pronouns
2021-03-24T08:04:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> its not exactly..up to date with how most trans ppl prefer it
2021-03-24T08:05:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> its more concerned with being "gramatically correct"
2021-03-24T08:06:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> its probably the least problematic aspect of the tone deaf statements he makes tbf
2021-03-24T08:06:46 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, I knew that before
2021-03-24T08:06:48 #kisslinux <merakor> Exactly
2021-03-24T08:07:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Tone deaf is a good definition for him
2021-03-24T08:08:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> like the statement "there is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that wiulling participation in pedophila hurts children." is uh
2021-03-24T08:08:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> pretty yikes
2021-03-24T08:09:28 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-03-24T08:24:45 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-03-24T08:30:39 #kisslinux <travankor> hoi
2021-03-24T08:33:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-24T12:10:16 #kisslinux <Ioanai7> Best Browser Ever! Mine Your Own BitCoin While You Surffing The Web! https://cryptotabbrowser.com/16879401
2021-03-24T12:10:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> lads we've made it, we've got bots
2021-03-24T12:10:43 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> shut
2021-03-24T12:11:16 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> that was for the bot, message got delayed
2021-03-24T12:12:42 #kisslinux <deppy> having websites mine crypto on your computer was too indirect
2021-03-24T12:12:53 #kisslinux <deppy> now you can download an addon to make sure all pages mine crypto
2021-03-24T12:12:54 #kisslinux <deppy> :^)
2021-03-24T12:13:54 #kisslinux <bakabakabaka> cringe
2021-03-24T12:24:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/Surffing/suffering/
2021-03-24T12:26:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But srsly tho IRC bots wth. Who sane would ever advertise anything on IRC. Its more of a trolling than anything else
2021-03-24T12:43:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the fact that they capitalized every single word immediately made me ignore them
2021-03-24T13:04:25 #kisslinux <riteo> oh yeah obviously, such a smart idea to talk about a cryptomining extension for web browser on an irc chat talking about an ultra minimalist linux distro
2021-03-24T13:04:56 #kisslinux <riteo> I want to know the genius behind such a feat
2021-03-24T13:06:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I already speak with this mastermind privately
2021-03-24T13:06:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Boring
2021-03-24T13:10:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also you could email his ISP about abuse
2021-03-24T13:14:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @sad_plan /lib/init/rc.lib::run_hook() is what looks for and runs rc.d scripts, and it gets called near the end of /lib/init/rc.boot as aarng mentioned
2021-03-24T13:35:31 #kisslinux <riteo> well, gtg for now
2021-03-24T13:35:38 #kisslinux <riteo> see ya later!
2021-03-24T13:52:52 #kisslinux <acheam> register with NickServ if you cant talk
2021-03-24T14:19:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I wonder what's the difference between +r and +R
2021-03-24T14:20:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nvm
2021-03-24T14:31:36 #kisslinux <acheam> this just quiets instead of blocks unregistered users
2021-03-24T14:32:19 #kisslinux <travankor> irc skillz
2021-03-24T14:33:11 #kisslinux <acheam> get on my level
2021-03-24T15:44:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> anyone use badwolf browser?
2021-03-24T15:47:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I tried it. It has zero binds. You need to click on everything like buttons and tabs
2021-03-24T15:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used Badwolf
2021-03-24T15:51:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's... okay, for webshit
2021-03-24T15:51:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, the lack of binds is a problem
2021-03-24T15:51:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the JS blocking can be accomplished more efficiently with something like n/umatrix
2021-03-24T15:51:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> and overall it just doesn't offer a whole lot
2021-03-24T15:51:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wouldn't call it "minimal" as it states comparing to surf and vimb
2021-03-24T15:52:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> For me "minimal" not about only loc and badwolf doesn't fit there
2021-03-24T15:53:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> vimb and surf are minimal to the point where they're unusable
2021-03-24T15:53:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides
2021-03-24T15:53:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it uses webshit it's not minimal
2021-03-24T15:53:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't listen to whatever that idiot DT spews
2021-03-24T15:53:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah only ff+ one of the myriad of vim-like extensions to navigate was the solution for me
2021-03-24T15:54:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll never get the obsession with vim keys
2021-03-24T15:54:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> but pale moon has a pretty cool vim browsing extension
2021-03-24T15:54:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> vimperator I think it's called
2021-03-24T15:54:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just don't want to use mouse. There's no point. I don't care whether its vim or something else
2021-03-24T15:55:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i do agree that in many situations mice are redundant
2021-03-24T15:55:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but for, say, image editing, or muh gaymes
2021-03-24T15:55:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i prefer having a pointing device available
2021-03-24T15:57:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There's plenty of good examples of good shortcuts and keyboard-driven gaymes so debatable. Most of the times they just force you to use mouse without offering faster and better alternative in the solution of binds
2021-03-24T15:57:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also there's the fact that using numbers or tags to navigate most websites is fucking impossible
2021-03-24T15:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, maybe the games you play don't benefit from a mouse, but that's the games you play.
2021-03-24T15:58:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Not really. Mindustry without mouse is impossible to play
2021-03-24T16:02:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fucking weechat
2021-03-24T16:03:00 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-03-24T16:04:27 #kisslinux <acheam> you good, bud?
2021-03-24T16:04:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is a legendary irc client that menaces with spikes of tin, and spikes of fun
2021-03-24T16:05:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: was checking if ops could see messages from quieted users
2021-03-24T16:06:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !grab midfavila
2021-03-24T16:06:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oops, no quote bot
2021-03-24T16:06:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> grab me harder uwu
2021-03-24T16:07:09 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-03-24T16:07:16 #kisslinux <acheam> can they?
2021-03-24T16:07:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> apparently not
2021-03-24T16:07:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dunno if that's a good thing
2021-03-24T16:07:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, we don't get much spam at all, couldn't we just kickban spam as it shows up?
2021-03-24T16:07:56 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I guess we coul
2021-03-24T16:07:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/spam as/spammers as they/
2021-03-24T16:08:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> NI-
2021-03-24T16:08:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> -ce chanops
2021-03-24T16:09:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I haven't found spam to be much of a problem on freenode
2021-03-24T16:09:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> we're a small channel
2021-03-24T16:09:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but hop into, say, #lobsters and you'll get a lot of it
2021-03-24T16:09:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's because lobsters is a cesspool
2021-03-24T16:09:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cesspool? nah
2021-03-24T16:09:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> whereas #kisslinux only produces quality content
2021-03-24T16:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i should know
2021-03-24T16:10:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I assume both those messages carry an implicit /s?
2021-03-24T16:10:16 #kisslinux <acheam> how would you know?
2021-03-24T16:10:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i dunno acheam
2021-03-24T16:10:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just do
2021-03-24T16:11:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Leaving the cesspool question behind, #lobsters gets more spam because it has more users (and is thus higher in /list)
2021-03-24T16:11:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also there is at least one freenode op in the channel, and the abusers seem to want to troll freenode staff /shrug
2021-03-24T16:11:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> my client sorts channels alphabetically. weird.
2021-03-24T16:12:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hm
2021-03-24T16:12:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean idk all the content I've seen from lobsters has been exceptionally circlejerky and cringe-inducing
2021-03-24T16:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that's enough for me to classify it as a cesspool
2021-03-24T16:13:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm curious what you mean by circlejerky/cringe
2021-03-24T16:13:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> As a proud lobsters member I am personally offended
2021-03-24T16:14:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> good, stay triggered
2021-03-24T16:14:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> your offense sustains
2021-03-24T16:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/sustains/sustains me/
2021-03-24T16:14:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I won't if I don't have someone trigger me -- fire ahead!!
2021-03-24T16:14:26 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> your offense sustains me
2021-03-24T16:14:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> prime example is the whole suckless-admin-fiasco
2021-03-24T16:14:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> kissbot is kill
2021-03-24T16:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> f in chat
2021-03-24T16:15:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah one moment
2021-03-24T16:15:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> but isn't the structure of lobsters that you have to be invited by an existing member, and if you invite someone who fucks up, you get banned too? that's something I've heard from people who are members of the site.
2021-03-24T16:15:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Um nope
2021-03-24T16:16:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's true, then that in and of itself makes it more circlejerky than reddit could ever be
2021-03-24T16:16:07 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-24T16:16:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that happens in only very rare cases
2021-03-24T16:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i literally don't even care
2021-03-24T16:16:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> the fact that it happens at all is ridiculous
2021-03-24T16:17:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> when it does happen, it's justified. for instance, when a user invited his collegue who proceded to spam lobsters with marketing nonsense
2021-03-24T16:17:25 #kisslinux <claudia_> aloha!
2021-03-24T16:17:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hai
2021-03-24T16:17:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ehlo there
2021-03-24T16:17:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hello, caludia.
2021-03-24T16:17:45 #kisslinux <claudia_> I have found this badwolf fork https://raw.githubusercontent.com/aarnt/lrrh/ I wanted to share.
2021-03-24T16:18:01 #kisslinux <claudia_> More keybindings are the features (:
2021-03-24T16:18:36 #kisslinux <claudia_> I have not tested it tough yet.
2021-03-24T16:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh hey, computerphile put out a video on the trusting trust attack
2021-03-24T16:23:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna have to add that to my watch list
2021-03-24T16:24:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow, and luke smith makes fun of diet luke smith
2021-03-24T16:24:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> today is a good day to consoom content
2021-03-24T16:25:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just curious, anyone here "played" idlerpg?
2021-03-24T16:25:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh, which one
2021-03-24T16:26:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> "idlerpg" brings to mind multiple games I've played
2021-03-24T16:27:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> one sec
2021-03-24T16:28:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://thunix.net/~ubergeek/irpg
2021-03-24T16:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, i've played something similar on a discord channel before
2021-03-24T16:28:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I... don't get the appeal
2021-03-24T16:28:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> "Oh wow numbers go up over time!"
2021-03-24T16:29:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol yeah
2021-03-24T16:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> there was a similar game I played when kongregate was still a thing, I think it was called idle heroes 2 or something
2021-03-24T16:29:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it actually had some element of interactivity and strategy
2021-03-24T16:30:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> 'cuz items were randomly generated and could be fused to create new ones with different effects, each hero could equip two of a variety of abilities, etc. it wasn't deep, but it was more than "stare at screen"
2021-03-24T16:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> (although it was a very pretty game)
2021-03-24T17:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Have you guys ever heard of M-DISC?
2021-03-24T17:15:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is it!
2021-03-24T17:17:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's a long-term WORM optical disk format
2021-03-24T17:17:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> supposedly they can last for up to a millenium before becoming susceptible to bit-rot or regular biodegradation
2021-03-24T17:17:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> or regular degradation. idfk I'm not an ecologist idk these big words
2021-03-24T17:18:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm considering looking into a drive and some of them.
2021-03-24T17:21:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> after all how else will I preserve my animoo
2021-03-24T17:21:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need the finest-quality 100GB M-DISCs
2021-03-24T17:22:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah just use spinning rust
2021-03-24T17:22:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> They're cheap and speed is fine if you use 7200rpm
2021-03-24T17:23:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> fascinating
2021-03-24T17:23:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to not spontaneously lose all of my data because it decides to give out one day
2021-03-24T17:24:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> hard drives are good for long-term or bulk storage in workstations and when it's non-essential
2021-03-24T17:24:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but for external backups I'd really rather use removeable media
2021-03-24T17:25:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I would use m.2 just so I could stick it in mobo and have no cables and stuff but otherwise spinning rust
2021-03-24T17:25:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Cuz muh backups
2021-03-24T17:25:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> m.2 is cringe and lame
2021-03-24T17:25:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially for gaming machines
2021-03-24T17:25:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love m2
2021-03-24T17:25:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, let me be clear
2021-03-24T17:25:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> PCIe m.2 is cringe and lame
2021-03-24T17:25:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that's the best one
2021-03-24T17:25:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> SATA m.2 is fine but a little redundant
2021-03-24T17:25:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the best one if you have lots of lanes or don't use your slots for high-bandwidth parts
2021-03-24T17:25:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah its kind of cringe. But you can do *censored* stick it in your mobo
2021-03-24T17:26:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> well obviously you shouldn't use the form factor that doesn't work on your hardware
2021-03-24T17:26:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if I *really* needed high speed I'd do a SAS RAID0 or something ridiculous
2021-03-24T17:26:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> that you can't take advantage of it doesn't make it cringe lmfao
2021-03-24T17:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering most PCs only have sixteen lanes
2021-03-24T17:26:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> "most PCs"
2021-03-24T17:26:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> lad are you lost
2021-03-24T17:27:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> M.2 is not about speed for me. Its about size of the drive itself and where/how it placed
2021-03-24T17:27:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, I just live in a city where most people don't use threadrippers
2021-03-24T17:27:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> that still doesn't make pcie m2 cringe
2021-03-24T17:27:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Do "threadripper city" even exist? Not even silicon valley
2021-03-24T17:28:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> that just makes your hardware and town cringe
2021-03-24T17:28:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're going to use PCIe flash storage at least get one of those dedicated m.2 cards
2021-03-24T17:28:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, the 16x ones
2021-03-24T17:30:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-24T17:30:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> my only regret is that i got a motherboard with only 3 m2 slots
2021-03-24T17:30:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-03-24T17:31:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> see this is why backplanes should have remained the common PC form factor
2021-03-24T17:31:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> just add more slots smh
2021-03-24T17:31:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> ITX boards get m2 slots on the back, why can't I!
2021-03-24T17:31:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ITX is stupid
2021-03-24T17:31:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> (it's because the entire backside is a heatspreader)
2021-03-24T17:32:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> "let me put a threadripper and three-slot GPU and watercooling on my ITX board that I chose because I'm concerned about size"
2021-03-24T17:32:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://www.ebay.ca/itm/ASUS-HYPER-M-2-X16-V2-PCIe-3-0-Card-HYPER-M-2-X16-CARDV2/124646550697?epid=23030160283&hash=item1d05836ca9:g:MhMAAOSwST9gV563
2021-03-24T17:32:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> slide it into a case the size of a toaster
2021-03-24T17:32:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> something like this
2021-03-24T17:33:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> #toasterPC
2021-03-24T17:33:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> 128Gb/s
2021-03-24T17:33:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah those cards are absurd
2021-03-24T17:33:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> I... won't lie, I want one
2021-03-24T17:33:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> almost no m2 ssds can actually saturate 16 lanes anyway, right?
2021-03-24T17:33:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why you put four into them
2021-03-24T17:34:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and run them in raid
2021-03-24T17:34:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> would be awesome to plonk my root partition on that and then keep all my other stuff on hard disks
2021-03-24T17:36:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-24T17:36:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> something horrible has happened to my rust, I think
2021-03-24T17:36:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2TY5
2021-03-24T17:36:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i thought you meant hard drives and I was about to start ranting about how I hate it when people call hard drives "spinning rust"
2021-03-24T17:37:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> kek
2021-03-24T17:37:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> but they are
2021-03-24T17:37:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Okay, ignoring the fact that they factually are not
2021-03-24T17:37:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> The problem imo is that it implies hard drives are obsolete and junk
2021-03-24T17:37:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But they are spinning rust
2021-03-24T17:37:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Which is bullshit
2021-03-24T17:37:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> (c) computerphile
2021-03-24T17:38:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> professor brailsford, as wholesome as he may be, is also wrong
2021-03-24T17:38:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-03-24T17:39:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> 10tb M2s WHEN
2021-03-24T17:39:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's too much. Even 1tb is overkill
2021-03-24T17:39:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> high capacity SSDs confuse me
2021-03-24T17:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> like if you have to choose between a high capacity hard drive and a high-ish capacity ssd and can't have both, then yeah, ssd is the way to go
2021-03-24T17:40:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Probably even 500gb is overkill
2021-03-24T17:40:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1TB is not nearly enough
2021-03-24T17:40:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like, for example, I most just use 128-250ish GB ssds in most of my tech
2021-03-24T17:41:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you need more get a hard drive, dummy
2021-03-24T17:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> cheaper and better continuous reads anyway
2021-03-24T17:41:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, afaik
2021-03-24T17:41:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> what do I need continuous reads for?
2021-03-24T17:41:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its too big for me. I have condensed of ~250gb of junk over 3 years. For what would I even use the rest
2021-03-24T17:41:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're dealing with huge files continuous read is better than random read
2021-03-24T17:42:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> SSDs are good when dealing with lots of small files
2021-03-24T17:42:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> because of their higher random read-write
2021-03-24T17:42:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> 256GB would be fine, but I got a 1TB because 1) fuck yeah 2) different OSs
2021-03-24T17:42:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm aware of what continuous reads are good for
2021-03-24T17:42:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> then why would you ask a stupid question
2021-03-24T17:42:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> the point of the question is what do *I* need them for
2021-03-24T17:42:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't, short answer
2021-03-24T17:42:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> then you don't need high capacity storage.
2021-03-24T17:42:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> Unless I have thousands of tiny files
2021-03-24T17:43:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> millions, even
2021-03-24T17:43:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> at that point I'd be worried about running out of inodes
2021-03-24T17:44:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Just spin da rust
2021-03-24T17:44:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me, I need to look into new filesystems
2021-03-24T17:45:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What for?
2021-03-24T17:45:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> potential performance improvements
2021-03-24T17:45:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides, I'd like to try F2FS
2021-03-24T17:46:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> XFS or bust
2021-03-24T17:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> XFS is a good general purpose filesystem
2021-03-24T17:46:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> for a while I used it instead of ext4
2021-03-24T17:47:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> my usual setup is ext4 root, jfs for short-term archival, xfs for media stuff
2021-03-24T17:47:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I say "short-term archival" because it's still on-disk, just only accessed semi-regularly
2021-03-24T17:49:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now I got it. Drew wants to rewrite everything in drewlang because of trusting trust lmao
2021-03-24T18:06:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Doof Default has a new rant?
2021-03-24T18:07:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> apparently not. what a boring day.
2021-03-24T18:09:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> you too, huh?
2021-03-24T18:09:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ?
2021-03-24T18:09:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> boring day
2021-03-24T18:10:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> indeed
2021-03-24T18:10:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Can't even find interesting stuff to watch
2021-03-24T18:10:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, at least i haven't read the latest acoup article
2021-03-24T18:10:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://acoup.blog/
2021-03-24T18:10:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm probably just gonna draft a floor plan for my apartment and then spend some time doing housework
2021-03-24T18:11:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Nice, you're rearranging your apt's furniture?
2021-03-24T18:11:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> would have preferred making a diorama to-scale, but I'm not going to install Qt for CAD software
2021-03-24T18:11:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I still have a ton of junk to clean out of the backyard
2021-03-24T18:11:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have a ton of stuff I need to do to get my apartment to a point where I'm satisfied with it
2021-03-24T18:11:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Despite making two trips to the junkyard with a loaded trailer
2021-03-24T18:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> about a quarter of my living room is taken up right now by stuff I have no place to store
2021-03-24T18:11:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I need to build shelves
2021-03-24T18:12:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can't build shelves because all the workshops are clsoed
2021-03-24T18:12:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Get rid of that bloat!
2021-03-24T18:12:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/clsoed/closed/
2021-03-24T18:12:16 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> but I can't build shelves because all the workshops are closed
2021-03-24T18:12:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i already threw out most of my stuff when I moved in
2021-03-24T18:12:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Cool. I wish there was something like that for me to do lol
2021-03-24T18:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just my textbooks, a couple monitors, and an old eMac I'm holding onto for a friend
2021-03-24T18:13:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and some spare cables and parts
2021-03-24T18:13:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I threw away everything I could. Sleep and sit on the floor. Its nice. No more junk
2021-03-24T18:13:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> my approach to interior deco is the same as my approach to computing
2021-03-24T18:13:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> strip away as much as possible, then add a tiny bit of garnish
2021-03-24T18:13:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nice
2021-03-24T18:14:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not going to throw away all of my furniture for example, but I'm not going to just buy furniture because "well you have to furnish your apartment!"
2021-03-24T18:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've got my desk, a couple armchairs, and an old military transport crate, and that's about it aside from my bed
2021-03-24T18:15:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wouldn't mind having a bookshelf, because I've got quite a few books even after getting rid of most of them
2021-03-24T18:15:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> For the stuff I have big wood furniture is a waste of space. I need something like small plastic boxes/drawers for my parts, cables and such
2021-03-24T18:16:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish I wasn't so autistic about having spare parts around
2021-03-24T18:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> would be able to declutter more easily that way
2021-03-24T18:16:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> I try to keep enough spare to replace everything one and a half times over
2021-03-24T18:16:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example I use four VGA-DP converters
2021-03-24T18:16:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I keep six spare
2021-03-24T18:17:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah that's a lot of spare stuff
2021-03-24T18:18:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mhm, especially considering older cabling is bulkier than more modern tech
2021-03-24T18:18:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> Now, admittedly, older cabling and tech tends to break less
2021-03-24T18:18:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> (at least in my experience)
2021-03-24T18:18:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> so maybe 150% spare stock is too much
2021-03-24T18:20:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm fine with exchanging a little extra space for peace of mind
2021-03-24T18:23:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> New post by ddevault btw
2021-03-24T18:23:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The complete guide for open sourcing video gaymes
2021-03-24T18:24:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> step one: license it under a GPL-compatible license
2021-03-24T18:25:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'd say gpl3 4 lyf
2021-03-24T18:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I don't know why more games aren't open-sourced
2021-03-24T18:25:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, the underlying engine
2021-03-24T18:25:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody pays for a game because of its technical capabilities
2021-03-24T18:25:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, usually
2021-03-24T18:25:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Forcing open source and free software is the only right way
2021-03-24T18:25:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> garry's mod could be an exception
2021-03-24T18:25:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> they pay for a game for its story, its graphics, its value as media
2021-03-24T18:26:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Because many companies are not that big to have own engines
2021-03-24T18:26:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Which means it couldn't be opensourced
2021-03-24T18:27:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I dream about Overlord being opensourced all the time
2021-03-24T18:28:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> god, trying to use a drawing program with a trackball is such a pain lmao
2021-03-24T18:29:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But most old sources probably lost forever. Unlike Nintendo most companies don't store their sources for 20+ years
2021-03-24T18:43:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> isn't tape storage still like the best choice for uber-long-term archival?
2021-03-24T18:44:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> for mass-storage, yeah, it would be
2021-03-24T18:44:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I feel like it wouldn't last as long as properly sealed optical media
2021-03-24T18:44:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm also not a material scientist so
2021-03-24T18:44:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah tape storage is what github used in their vault
2021-03-24T18:44:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway
2021-03-24T18:44:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://0x0.st/-qfq.jpg
2021-03-24T18:44:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i enjoy this image far too much
2021-03-24T18:45:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> He drinks water. Truly a chad
2021-03-24T18:46:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also in regard to games there's rising more and more opensource games that are also commercial. Good example for this is Mindustry which sells well on steam besides having sources on github
2021-03-24T18:50:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I see rise of open source in many spheres and hope it would continue until full market domination on many instances but that's obviously just a dream. Stallman had a talk on that matter somewhere around 5 years ago
2021-03-24T18:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I'm tempted to learn COBOL
2021-03-24T18:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had to be a professional programmer it'd be COBOL. the job market for it is fucking w i l d
2021-03-24T18:57:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i've heard differing things, some people have said the only COBOL programmers (COBALLERS?) that get three figures are ones that have been there forever
2021-03-24T18:58:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> most government jobs I've seen will pay upper-five figures even for junior COBOL devs
2021-03-24T18:58:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially at the local power company
2021-03-24T18:58:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Insanity
2021-03-24T18:58:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> experienced COBOL devs usually command around 150k a year
2021-03-24T18:59:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean hey that's what happens when the language that literally runs modern society is something nobody except boomers can read or write lmao
2021-03-24T18:59:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> "should we rewrite this program in a modern language?" "no just write a virtualized mainframe to run the code on"
2021-03-24T19:00:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> >virtualized >GraalVM
2021-03-24T19:02:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.ibm.com/products/cobol-compiler-zos
2021-03-24T19:03:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't GCC have a COBOL compiler?
2021-03-24T19:03:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i dunno, but if i remember right most of the people that chimed in mentioned they were using ibm z-series mainframes or something
2021-03-24T19:03:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it does, in fact, not
2021-03-24T19:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it has a transcompiler to C
2021-03-24T19:10:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it has a fortran one though right?  or is that a transcompiler too
2021-03-24T19:10:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I believe it's a compiler
2021-03-24T19:10:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> GFORTRAN
2021-03-24T19:11:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> gfortran OP
2021-03-24T19:11:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a compiler yah
2021-03-24T19:12:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> gfortran absolutely destroys my RAM
2021-03-24T19:13:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't that just fortran lol
2021-03-24T19:14:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe idk
2021-03-24T19:14:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't use any programs that use FORTRAN any more
2021-03-24T19:14:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to use LibreOffice until I started learning based mandoc
2021-03-24T20:00:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys
2021-03-24T20:00:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Make a dual boot with kiss had any problem with grub.
2021-03-24T20:00:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> ?
2021-03-24T20:03:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I have problems with grub. Can boot into kiss from Manjaro grub but not Void grub. Good thing I have two HDDs with different distros installed
2021-03-24T20:05:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So arch is the same in grub because manjaro is based right?
2021-03-24T20:06:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dunno. If I installed Arch by hand I would end up with two partitions while Manjaro fits everything on one. No separate boot
2021-03-24T20:07:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> First i need kiss and last manjaro right?
2021-03-24T20:08:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Depends on what you do. My Manjaro trash isolated on separate disk
2021-03-24T20:08:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I had just one disk
2021-03-24T20:08:46 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need a dual boot
2021-03-24T20:08:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> One for just gaming
2021-03-24T20:09:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So i need more partitions
2021-03-24T20:10:10 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I never make a dual boot
2021-03-24T20:11:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dual boot sucks. I personally prefer chroot over it
2021-03-24T20:11:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> It doesn't matter what order you install them in or which one has grub or generates the grub configuration
2021-03-24T20:11:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> just make sure that whichever one you use to generate the grub config also has os-prober installed
2021-03-24T20:11:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But i know that kiss grub had missing parts
2021-03-24T20:11:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only time order really matters is with osx (kind of) and windows (install windows first)
2021-03-24T20:11:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> does it?
2021-03-24T20:11:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it's basically the same as every other grub...
2021-03-24T20:12:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah i made a chroot but it sucks for me, i need a arch install and i not found a good guide
2021-03-24T20:13:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> a guide for what?
2021-03-24T20:14:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Arch chroot
2021-03-24T20:14:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> For what i see
2021-03-24T20:14:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need arch-scripts
2021-03-24T20:14:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Some like that
2021-03-24T20:14:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://mirrors.mit.edu/archlinux/iso/2021.03.01/ download the bootstrap tarball
2021-03-24T20:14:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Why do you need a "guide" for X distro? Chroots are the same. Besides read arch wiki
2021-03-24T20:14:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> become root
2021-03-24T20:14:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> tar xf $tarball
2021-03-24T20:15:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss-chroot root.x86_64
2021-03-24T20:15:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> follow this
2021-03-24T20:15:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux#Creating_a_chroot
2021-03-24T20:15:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> do not mount any disks
2021-03-24T20:16:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It depends. I mount stuff with proot by myself still
2021-03-24T20:16:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean sure
2021-03-24T20:16:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> but like
2021-03-24T20:16:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Mount the disks
2021-03-24T20:16:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I know
2021-03-24T20:16:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's all you need. I've been doing the same chroot for almost two years
2021-03-24T20:16:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> no DON"T mount the disks UNLESS you want to install Arch to that disk
2021-03-24T20:16:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah
2021-03-24T20:16:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you ONLY want a chroot, you do NOT mount disks
2021-03-24T20:16:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I know lol
2021-03-24T20:16:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I mean
2021-03-24T20:17:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> What you might said
2021-03-24T20:17:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is about mount disks
2021-03-24T20:17:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I know i not need mount
2021-03-24T20:17:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I treid a void chroot
2021-03-24T20:17:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> It fits
2021-03-24T20:17:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But had some problems
2021-03-24T20:18:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Ah dilyn
2021-03-24T20:22:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You say that you know but you're the one with these problems trying different chroots and considering dualboot :P
2021-03-24T20:32:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Never used mksh. Heard about it being better alternative to bash as it can run /bin/bash shell scripts or something like that. How it compares to oksh or something similar?
2021-03-24T20:32:29 #kisslinux <deppy> mksh is quite nice, it doesn't implement all bash features but it has quite a few of them
2021-03-24T20:32:46 #kisslinux <deppy> it also has a really nice vi mode (compared to busybox ash) if you care about that
2021-03-24T20:35:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'm considering my options between using mksh for pass or using smaller shell and rewriting what I used in pass by hand. OTP will probably be a problem
2021-03-24T20:36:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> As otherwise I really don't need anything bash-related
2021-03-24T20:36:34 #kisslinux <deppy> there is pash
2021-03-24T20:36:52 #kisslinux <deppy> a posix sh password manager which uses the same password database format as pass
2021-03-24T20:37:09 #kisslinux <deppy> https://github.com/dylanaraps/pash
2021-03-24T20:37:19 #kisslinux <deppy> I use it, works great
2021-03-24T20:37:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh that's exactly what I needed. Thanks a lot
2021-03-24T20:37:25 #kisslinux <deppy> no problem!
2021-03-24T20:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> Do any of you use mtm?
2021-03-24T20:55:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-03-24T20:55:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> i do
2021-03-24T20:56:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> Can you test something for me?
2021-03-24T20:56:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> ye
2021-03-24T20:56:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need you to check if tine's line-jumping shortcuts work under mtm
2021-03-24T20:56:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> aight gimme a mo
2021-03-24T20:56:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> (shift+right or left respectively)
2021-03-24T20:56:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no rush
2021-03-24T20:56:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> need to install tine
2021-03-24T20:56:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> should be in my repo if you don't have it
2021-03-24T20:56:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i gotta shill at every chance I get
2021-03-24T20:57:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> whats your repo again?
2021-03-24T20:57:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/kiss-mfavila/
2021-03-24T20:57:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> cheers bruz
2021-03-24T20:57:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck, wait
2021-03-24T20:57:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> needs midfavila before kiss-mfavila
2021-03-24T20:58:02 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks
2021-03-24T20:58:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I always forget that
2021-03-24T20:58:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> gg
2021-03-24T20:58:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila
2021-03-24T20:58:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't judge me I keep my bookmarks in my head
2021-03-24T20:58:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway it's under ports/
2021-03-24T20:59:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Doh just write a bookmark manager shell+dmenu
2021-03-24T20:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I'm using anything it's going to be xmenu
2021-03-24T20:59:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> or fvwmscript
2021-03-24T21:00:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah I've noticed that tine's jumping shortcuts don't work under mtm (using xterm or urxvt) and it just doesn't work at all under the tty
2021-03-24T21:01:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> can't tell if it's a problem with mtm, tine, or my terminfo database
2021-03-24T21:03:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah nah doesnt work for me either
2021-03-24T21:03:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> using st
2021-03-24T21:03:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-03-24T21:03:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll have to see if I can email the developer
2021-03-24T21:03:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> works in base st tho, but drops me some unicode chars under mtm
2021-03-24T21:03:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I get weird characters under xterm too
2021-03-24T21:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> including a function symbol
2021-03-24T21:04:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is... interesting
2021-03-24T21:04:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think I'm going to try with lxterm or something
2021-03-24T21:04:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> also how does one..exit tine?
2021-03-24T21:04:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> esc
2021-03-24T21:04:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> then type q
2021-03-24T21:04:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> ah vi fashion
2021-03-24T21:04:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> k
2021-03-24T21:05:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> kinda sorta not really
2021-03-24T21:05:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> when in doubt, ctrl+z
2021-03-24T21:05:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> well similar enough
2021-03-24T21:05:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> lol ctrl+z doesn't work :P
2021-03-24T21:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> little did you know
2021-03-24T21:05:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> trust me, tried
2021-03-24T21:05:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> ctrl-z is used by tine
2021-03-24T21:05:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-24T21:05:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> big rips
2021-03-24T21:05:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> you're trapped
2021-03-24T21:05:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> not even ctrl-d works
2021-03-24T21:05:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> for it is also used
2021-03-24T21:05:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> i'm so used to
2021-03-24T21:05:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> .
2021-03-24T21:05:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a horrible editor
2021-03-24T21:05:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> w
2021-03-24T21:05:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> q
2021-03-24T21:06:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> there is no escape from tine is not ed
2021-03-24T21:06:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> also fuck you
2021-03-24T21:06:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> tine is /comfy/
2021-03-24T21:06:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> problem.jpg
2021-03-24T21:06:18 #kisslinux <deppy> epic troll
2021-03-24T21:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it just needs a little bit of polish
2021-03-24T21:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> once I learn more C I intend to work on it
2021-03-24T21:06:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> there sorely needs to be keybinds for saving and quitting in immediate mode
2021-03-24T21:07:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the arbitrary limit on bindable function keys is annoying
2021-03-24T21:07:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> as someone who has like thirty function keys, I need more than ten available
2021-03-24T21:09:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What do you do with these thirty function keys tho?
2021-03-24T21:10:26 #kisslinux <deppy> having more layers is generally nice, you can only combine so many modifiers before it becomes annoying to input
2021-03-24T21:10:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> undo, redo, quicksearch, forward search, backward search, save, quit, open file, etc. usually these are combined with modifiers to change whether they affect the program, my windows, or my system at large
2021-03-24T21:11:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> (keep in mind those functions are more general concepts than specific things)
2021-03-24T21:11:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and honestly, if I wanted layers, I could easily reprogram my soarer's for that
2021-03-24T21:11:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I haven't needed them yet
2021-03-24T21:12:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Meh bloat. I use kilo. It simply just exists
2021-03-24T21:12:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> as I've said multiple times, stripping all the fat from your meat ruins its flavor
2021-03-24T21:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> a little bit of extra is fine
2021-03-24T21:13:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I don't need something tasty
2021-03-24T21:13:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I need exactly the bones
2021-03-24T21:13:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides, tine is already pretty barebones
2021-03-24T21:13:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> the binary is like 73k i think
2021-03-24T21:13:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> 79, sorry
2021-03-24T21:13:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have never and will never understood the purpose of macros and function keys
2021-03-24T21:13:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Single C source is exactly what I need
2021-03-24T21:13:59 #kisslinux <deppy> "bloat is when a program is capable and the more capable it is the more bloated it is"
2021-03-24T21:14:05 #kisslinux <deppy> ;)
2021-03-24T21:14:40 #kisslinux <deppy> dilyn: macros can be quite nice if you can record them on the fly, for text editing and the like
2021-03-24T21:14:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> ls -lh tells me ed is 9
2021-03-24T21:14:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just never find myself doing the same action often enough that it matters
2021-03-24T21:15:14 #kisslinux <deppy> yeah, fair enough
2021-03-24T21:15:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> vim: 4MB
2021-03-24T21:15:18 #kisslinux <deppy> it's pretty nieche
2021-03-24T21:15:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> bloated and gross :'(
2021-03-24T21:15:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait wait wait
2021-03-24T21:15:27 #kisslinux <deppy> lol
2021-03-24T21:15:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> what ed are you using that's only 9k?
2021-03-24T21:15:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> sbase
2021-03-24T21:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...bullshit
2021-03-24T21:15:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Kilo is 27k
2021-03-24T21:15:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> might as well call it e
2021-03-24T21:15:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> my sbase ed is almost one meg
2021-03-24T21:15:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> im just telling you what ls -lh is telling me
2021-03-24T21:16:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> OH
2021-03-24T21:16:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> is yours dynamic?
2021-03-24T21:16:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> might be a symlink issue
2021-03-24T21:16:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-03-24T21:16:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> hold up
2021-03-24T21:16:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats my b
2021-03-24T21:16:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> if yours is dynamic that explains a lot
2021-03-24T21:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> my userspace is static
2021-03-24T21:16:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> eitherway
2021-03-24T21:17:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Since there's zero deps in kilo it does not matter if you compile it statically or dynamically also :p
2021-03-24T21:17:21 #kisslinux <deppy> my vi is 360k :)
2021-03-24T21:17:35 #kisslinux <deppy> nxghtmvrx: what about libc?
2021-03-24T21:18:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> musl is quite slim if you link it statically
2021-03-24T21:18:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I compared sizes some time ago. There's really not much of a difference
2021-03-24T21:18:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> my guess is kilo would be around 40kb binary size
2021-03-24T21:18:39 #kisslinux <deppy> well yes, but it's not like it "doesn't matter"
2021-03-24T21:18:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> (for reference my desktop is running glibc hence the size of my ed)
2021-03-24T21:18:50 #kisslinux <deppy> not that a couple kilobytes here or there matters anyway
2021-03-24T21:19:17 #kisslinux <deppy> why use sbase though
2021-03-24T21:19:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I really don't like busybox
2021-03-24T21:19:39 #kisslinux <deppy> ah, how come?
2021-03-24T21:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't want a single program to handle init, text editing, services, scheduling, userspace, networking, etc
2021-03-24T21:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, busybox's tools just fucking suck
2021-03-24T21:20:31 #kisslinux <deppy> it's not a single program, just a single executable
2021-03-24T21:20:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> > suck
2021-03-24T21:20:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> > literally using suck tools
2021-03-24T21:20:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> a single executable is a single program as far as I'm concerned
2021-03-24T21:20:52 #kisslinux <deppy> why split it up
2021-03-24T21:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> busybox has a place, and that place is on my router or my phone
2021-03-24T21:21:40 #kisslinux <deppy> sbase is just less capable, larger, slower busybox as far as I'm concernd
2021-03-24T21:22:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/ubase are at the very least competitive in terms of space, if not superior
2021-03-24T21:22:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what busybox does makes a lot of sense
2021-03-24T21:22:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> and uh, slower?
2021-03-24T21:22:25 #kisslinux <deppy> my statically linked busybox is 2.2 MB
2021-03-24T21:22:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think you've used the suckless tools
2021-03-24T21:22:32 #kisslinux <deppy> I have
2021-03-24T21:22:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if you'd compile every applet separately, it would be like 4x bigger
2021-03-24T21:22:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> deppy, mine is 800kbish
2021-03-24T21:22:50 #kisslinux <deppy> I'm on glibc on this computer :[
2021-03-24T21:22:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, yes, compiling seperate programs has a negative impact on size ofc
2021-03-24T21:23:12 #kisslinux <deppy> midfavila: busybox ash can avoid syscalls by calling applications directly
2021-03-24T21:23:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool, I literally don't even care
2021-03-24T21:23:26 #kisslinux <deppy> some are noexec and some are even nofork
2021-03-24T21:23:28 #kisslinux <deppy> it's faster
2021-03-24T21:23:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I want a minimalist shell I'll use s
2021-03-24T21:23:34 #kisslinux <deppy> it's smaller
2021-03-24T21:23:41 #kisslinux <deppy> it's not painfull
2021-03-24T21:23:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to use busybox, that's great
2021-03-24T21:23:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't
2021-03-24T21:23:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> shove off
2021-03-24T21:23:56 #kisslinux <deppy> <3
2021-03-24T21:25:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> from "it's bad for reasons x y z" to "not for me no pls"
2021-03-24T21:25:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> luvit
2021-03-24T21:25:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i already stated my reasons
2021-03-24T21:25:43 #kisslinux <deppy> and I already made counter points
2021-03-24T21:25:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't like a single point of failure, I don't like monolithic executables, I don't like how their utilities function
2021-03-24T21:25:51 #kisslinux <deppy> ;)
2021-03-24T21:26:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I love ash. My only wish is it could not use history file by default like oksh
2021-03-24T21:26:17 #kisslinux <deppy> I just symlink all my history files to /dev/null
2021-03-24T21:26:21 #kisslinux <deppy> lol
2021-03-24T21:26:24 #kisslinux <deppy> lazy approach
2021-03-24T21:26:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine having to work around your userland
2021-03-24T21:26:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> v cool
2021-03-24T21:26:37 #kisslinux <deppy> lmao
2021-03-24T21:26:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> aren't s/ubase two literal monoliths
2021-03-24T21:26:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can compile them that way if you want
2021-03-24T21:26:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't
2021-03-24T21:26:49 #kisslinux <deppy> you can chose to make them boxes
2021-03-24T21:26:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-03-24T21:26:53 #kisslinux <deppy> if you want to save space
2021-03-24T21:27:17 #kisslinux <deppy> anyway, what do you mean by how busybox utils function?
2021-03-24T21:27:28 #kisslinux <deppy> they function as any other userland as far as I'm aware
2021-03-24T21:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I find they're slower and implement a lot of non-posix stuff that I just don't care about.
2021-03-24T21:27:58 #kisslinux <deppy> you can choose what features you want in the compile config
2021-03-24T21:28:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Or I could just use a userland that's more in line with how I do things.
2021-03-24T21:28:38 #kisslinux <deppy> I love ls outputting one file per line
2021-03-24T21:28:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i love people not knowing how to use pipes
2021-03-24T21:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> cols literally exists
2021-03-24T21:29:29 #kisslinux <deppy> busybox ls outputs one per line when being piped
2021-03-24T21:29:40 #kisslinux <deppy> but not when ran interactively
2021-03-24T21:30:00 #kisslinux <deppy> as does any other ls which outputs all files on one line
2021-03-24T21:30:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I'm scripting I make sure to not inherit the user's shell config, so ls still behaves in a regular manner
2021-03-24T21:30:36 #kisslinux <deppy> ?
2021-03-24T21:31:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> ls is an alias for ls|cols in my shell config. should have mentioned that.
2021-03-24T21:31:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, /bin/ls|/bin/cols, but who's keeping track
2021-03-24T21:31:27 #kisslinux <acheam> cols?
2021-03-24T21:31:30 #kisslinux <deppy> ah yes, using two programs for ls because your program is epic and minimalist
2021-03-24T21:31:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> cols columnizes the ouput of any other program piped into it
2021-03-24T21:32:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> its col not cols
2021-03-24T21:32:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-24T21:32:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're using util-linux maybe
2021-03-24T21:32:55 #kisslinux <deppy> it's col for me too
2021-03-24T21:33:13 #kisslinux <acheam> Yeah i'm used to col as well
2021-03-24T21:33:13 #kisslinux <deppy> wait, maybe not
2021-03-24T21:33:17 #kisslinux <acheam> but i'm using util-linu
2021-03-24T21:33:19 #kisslinux <acheam> x
2021-03-24T21:33:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss owns `which cols` outputs sbase.
2021-03-24T21:33:31 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-24T21:33:36 #kisslinux <acheam> oh so its an sbase thing
2021-03-24T21:33:43 #kisslinux <deppy> seems like it
2021-03-24T21:33:49 #kisslinux <acheam> I think "col" is posixx
2021-03-24T21:33:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's also "column"
2021-03-24T21:34:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Alright time to spam emails to rename cols to col
2021-03-24T21:34:23 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm thats also util-linux
2021-03-24T21:34:24 #kisslinux <deppy> column does what they describes
2021-03-24T21:34:27 #kisslinux <deppy> described*
2021-03-24T21:35:15 #kisslinux <deppy> neither col, cols, nor column are defined by posix
2021-03-24T21:35:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> looking at the col manpage, it has a lot more junk than cols
2021-03-24T21:37:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Time for me to write "cool" so we can have one more alternative
2021-03-24T21:37:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> something something xkcd
2021-03-24T21:38:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> we need columns, too
2021-03-24T21:38:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> cols, col, column, columns, cool
2021-03-24T21:38:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and cobol, white at it
2021-03-24T21:38:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> "cool- because its cool"
2021-03-24T21:39:28 #kisslinux <deppy> great slogan
2021-03-24T21:39:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It was manpage btw
2021-03-24T21:39:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> One liner
2021-03-24T21:39:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
2021-03-24T21:40:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> people are already trying to get RMS to resign again
2021-03-24T21:40:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is going to be popcorn-worthy
2021-03-24T21:40:21 #kisslinux <deppy> fun fact, according to POSIX, man just needs to "show information about the program"
2021-03-24T21:41:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So i could do $PROGRAM -h and it would be still man
2021-03-24T21:41:07 #kisslinux <deppy> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/man.html
2021-03-24T21:41:09 #kisslinux <deppy> yes
2021-03-24T21:41:35 #kisslinux <deppy> well, you'd need -k too
2021-03-24T21:42:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I love that the most frequent defense of RMS is that 'sure his opinions are a little extreme, but'
2021-03-24T21:43:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> as if his extremism was the chief complaint
2021-03-24T21:43:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I love raping flowers by sniffing them. RMS did nothing wrong
2021-03-24T21:43:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> but don't you understand
2021-03-24T21:43:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-03-24T21:44:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> RMS is literally a pedophile for criticizing the inconsistency of global legal systems
2021-03-24T21:44:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://github.com/rms-support-letter/rms-support-letter.github.io/stargazers
2021-03-24T21:44:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> star that one
2021-03-24T21:44:23 #kisslinux <deppy> does rms have any redeeming factors?
2021-03-24T21:44:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's old and will one day be forced into permanent retirement, is probably a redeeming quality
2021-03-24T21:44:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> without rms there would be no free software, people would use M$ and pay $$$ for their MS compiler
2021-03-24T21:45:06 #kisslinux <deppy> lmao
2021-03-24T21:45:08 #kisslinux <deppy> good one
2021-03-24T21:45:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> RMS is god alive like lord Vivec or something
2021-03-24T21:45:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> GCC was the one piece of software that changed the world
2021-03-24T21:45:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Btw win xp toolchain based on gcc
2021-03-24T21:45:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> something unheard of - a free compiler, and a good one at that
2021-03-24T21:46:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think free software was an inevitability, not the product of a single man's mind
2021-03-24T21:46:05 #kisslinux <deppy> yeah
2021-03-24T21:46:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> to believe otherwise flies in the face of... literally all of human history
2021-03-24T21:46:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> he's not willing to bend to corporate influence, has strong ideals, is willing to dedicate decades of his life to the singular pursuit of what he believes in, intelligent, etc.
2021-03-24T21:46:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sometimes single minds can change history
2021-03-24T21:46:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm that. put me on the board
2021-03-24T21:46:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are many single minds sh4
2021-03-24T21:46:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> which is precisely my point
2021-03-24T21:47:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Torvalds muh
2021-03-24T21:47:10 #kisslinux <deppy> and some of them might not even be plant fucking pedos with a beastiality fetish
2021-03-24T21:47:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> :(
2021-03-24T21:47:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> That without RMS we would never have the Libre movement is tantamount to saying that without the Wright Brothers we'd never have planes
2021-03-24T21:47:35 #kisslinux <deppy> screw torvalds too lol
2021-03-24T21:47:40 #kisslinux <deppy> linux sucks
2021-03-24T21:47:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can use macOS if you don't like linux
2021-03-24T21:47:56 #kisslinux <deppy> no thanks
2021-03-24T21:47:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure it's true in a universe that is purely fatalistic and precisely determined to the point where each person is a unique cog with an entirely unique path
2021-03-24T21:48:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that's not the world lmao
2021-03-24T21:48:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> does it make you a pedo when you say "it's not rape when a 17 year old voluntarily does things with an older man"
2021-03-24T21:48:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure tannenbaum would also be thrilled to have another person using his OS
2021-03-24T21:48:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> god knows minix needs more users than just intel
2021-03-24T21:48:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> legally in some places yeah it does
2021-03-24T21:48:28 #kisslinux <deppy> "let's just pretend BSD doesn't exist"
2021-03-24T21:48:31 #kisslinux <dilyn>  /shrug
2021-03-24T21:48:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> the BSD license is a fucking joke
2021-03-24T21:48:42 #kisslinux <deppy> why
2021-03-24T21:48:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> Fucking gpl cuck
2021-03-24T21:48:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> >=|
2021-03-24T21:48:57 #kisslinux <deppy> ideally all software should be unlicense
2021-03-24T21:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it allows corporations to come in, take all your work, and not have to contribute anything back?
2021-03-24T21:49:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> rape is rape - it involves violence and using someone else against their will
2021-03-24T21:49:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You may say that linux sucks which is true but I respect Torvalds by being extremely based and doing/saying right things without filtering/censoring them
2021-03-24T21:49:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> You probably have a super narrow understanding of violence sh4
2021-03-24T21:49:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> IMO RMS does too
2021-03-24T21:49:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> Mid that doesn't make BSD license a joke...
2021-03-24T21:49:45 #kisslinux <deppy> doing the right thing like, letting amd have 1.7 million autogenerated LOC
2021-03-24T21:49:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, it absolutely does, dilyn
2021-03-24T21:49:55 #kisslinux <deppy> and letting google influence kernel descicions
2021-03-24T21:50:00 #kisslinux <deppy> adding drm in the kernel
2021-03-24T21:50:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> There's nothing comedic about that analysis
2021-03-24T21:50:12 #kisslinux <deppy> look at linux, a gpl project
2021-03-24T21:50:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a tragic joke
2021-03-24T21:50:17 #kisslinux <deppy> there is lots of corporate influence
2021-03-24T21:50:20 #kisslinux <deppy> and shitty corporate code
2021-03-24T21:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, which is why linux is pozzed
2021-03-24T21:50:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> the linux foundation is literally just a table with major corporations sitting around it
2021-03-24T21:50:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and needs to be replaced asap
2021-03-24T21:50:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> you literally buy a seat at the table lol
2021-03-24T21:50:39 #kisslinux <deppy> it just stops people from taking it, it doens't stop them from controlling it or influencing it
2021-03-24T21:50:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but unlike bsd at least my mouse works on linux
2021-03-24T21:50:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that's something
2021-03-24T21:50:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah yes, the best argument
2021-03-24T21:50:54 #kisslinux <deppy> at least if they fork my software and make it shitty I can at least keep my own copy
2021-03-24T21:51:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'my hardware I force myself to posess because autism does not work on this less based distro, therefore worst ever'
2021-03-24T21:51:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> so tragic qq
2021-03-24T21:51:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> when a generic USB mouse fails to work that's kind of unimpressive in current year
2021-03-24T21:51:30 #kisslinux <deppy> besides, intellectual property is a fucking joke
2021-03-24T21:51:42 #kisslinux <deppy> midfavila: everything works out of the box on my thinkpad
2021-03-24T21:51:45 #kisslinux <deppy> much smoother than on linux
2021-03-24T21:51:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid there's nothing generic about your lifestyle, choices, and hardware
2021-03-24T21:51:52 #kisslinux <deppy> you can even change brightness with the keys in the tty
2021-03-24T21:51:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's literally a generic walmart mouse
2021-03-24T21:52:01 #kisslinux <deppy> and scan and set up wifi in 2 command
2021-03-24T21:52:03 #kisslinux <deppy> s
2021-03-24T21:52:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> two buttons, scrollwheel
2021-03-24T21:52:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> usb connection
2021-03-24T21:52:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's it
2021-03-24T21:52:33 #kisslinux <deppy> ok cool, I'm sure if you send a dmesg log they'll have it fixed next version
2021-03-24T21:52:43 #kisslinux <deppy> if it's that simple
2021-03-24T21:53:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> the next time I bother to install bsd i probably will
2021-03-24T21:53:35 #kisslinux <deppy> I'd rather use a cohesive project with an consistent idea behind it that has worse driver support than some frankenstein project (linux)
2021-03-24T21:54:13 #kisslinux <deppy> only run linux on my desktop cause I still need proprietary stuff :/
2021-03-24T21:54:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but as it stands I'm not in the mood to transfer all my files to a networked backup, wipe my partitions, set up an OS that probably won't even support my hardware or software, transfer everything back, spend a bunch of time reconfiguring everything, only to have to go back to linux because of some weird issue
2021-03-24T21:54:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's kind of a hassle, see
2021-03-24T21:54:40 #kisslinux <deppy> nah, I totally get that you don't wanna run BSD
2021-03-24T21:54:50 #kisslinux <deppy> I'm just saying that torvalds isn't a genius
2021-03-24T21:54:53 #kisslinux <deppy> other people have done it too
2021-03-24T21:54:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i never said he was a genius
2021-03-24T21:54:57 #kisslinux <deppy> and in my opinion they have done it better
2021-03-24T21:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i never even mentioned torvalds lmao
2021-03-24T21:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> in an ideal world we'd all be running plan 9 or some shit
2021-03-24T21:55:34 #kisslinux <deppy> plan9 is cool
2021-03-24T21:55:41 #kisslinux <deppy> though I cannot stand the mouse focused ui
2021-03-24T21:56:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to set up a qemu image with plan 9 on it
2021-03-24T21:56:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yes, rio is awful
2021-03-24T21:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> eight and a half, whatever
2021-03-24T21:56:18 #kisslinux <deppy> I ran 9front for a while on my laptop
2021-03-24T21:56:32 #kisslinux <deppy> it was cool, but like, middle clicking on a touchpad isn't fun
2021-03-24T21:57:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> hopefully it's a proper touchpad with discrete buttons and not one of those garbage "clickpads"
2021-03-24T21:57:16 #kisslinux <deppy> it's a clickpad, though I honestly don't mind
2021-03-24T21:57:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> clickpad is best pad
2021-03-24T21:57:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't stand clickpads
2021-03-24T21:57:29 #kisslinux <deppy> oh wait
2021-03-24T21:57:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> discrete buttons are a waste of time
2021-03-24T21:57:32 #kisslinux <deppy> which one is which?
2021-03-24T21:57:39 #kisslinux <deppy> I might have mixed it up
2021-03-24T21:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> clickpads are the ones that don't have discrete buttons
2021-03-24T21:57:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine a mac
2021-03-24T21:57:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> usually it's just a single massive flat piece of plastic
2021-03-24T21:57:52 #kisslinux <deppy> ah
2021-03-24T21:57:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> with little markers on it
2021-03-24T21:58:00 #kisslinux <deppy> yeah no I have one with discrete buttons
2021-03-24T21:58:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and when you press the edges... yeah
2021-03-24T21:58:02 #kisslinux <deppy> I'm just an idiot
2021-03-24T21:58:10 #kisslinux <deppy> though I'd prefer a clickpad I think
2021-03-24T21:58:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> "buttons are so 90s mid"
2021-03-24T21:58:16 #kisslinux <deppy> since mine is a bit janky sometimes
2021-03-24T21:58:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's a lenovo thinkpad post-2011 then that's your problem
2021-03-24T21:58:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> pure shenzenium
2021-03-24T21:58:52 #kisslinux <deppy> I used my x240 for 6 years or so
2021-03-24T21:59:00 #kisslinux <deppy> not planning on getting another one soon
2021-03-24T21:59:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> the last thinkpad I bothered with was an IBM A31p
2021-03-24T21:59:06 #kisslinux <deppy> maybe I could mod it though
2021-03-24T21:59:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> some jackass stole it from me
2021-03-24T21:59:25 #kisslinux <deppy> I got it for school and then I could buy it for piss cheap
2021-03-24T21:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and ever since then I've had thinkpad PTSD
2021-03-24T21:59:30 #kisslinux <deppy> lmao
2021-03-24T21:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> seriously
2021-03-24T21:59:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i get super anxious whenever I use a thinkpad because all I can think of is how shit it is compared to the A31p
2021-03-24T22:00:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So trackpoint>touchpad>mouse
2021-03-24T22:00:17 #kisslinux <deppy> not a huge trackpoint fan
2021-03-24T22:00:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> trackpoint>trackball>mouse>touchpad>touchscreen>clickpad
2021-03-24T22:00:54 #kisslinux <deppy> I don't really use my mouse anyway
2021-03-24T22:01:01 #kisslinux <deppy> unless for some websites
2021-03-24T22:01:26 #kisslinux <deppy> that have too many buttons to navigate with vimium or whatever the extension is called
2021-03-24T22:01:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been considering looking into the possibility of frankensteining a thinkpad keyboard and trackpoint into my toughbook
2021-03-24T22:01:41 #kisslinux <deppy> why not just get a thinkpad at that point?
2021-03-24T22:01:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> see above
2021-03-24T22:01:57 #kisslinux <deppy> I thought you were joking
2021-03-24T22:01:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> trackpoint>touchpad>clickpad>trackball>mouse>touchscreen
2021-03-24T22:02:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, i'm serious
2021-03-24T22:02:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't stand using modern thinkpads
2021-03-24T22:02:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> or really most laptops
2021-03-24T22:02:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I can't stand.
2021-03-24T22:02:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> help, i've fallen
2021-03-24T22:02:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, also, afaik lenovo has a really nasty habit of BIOS whitelists
2021-03-24T22:02:58 #kisslinux <deppy> I could probably get by on any laptop as long as it had ok battery, a non horrible keyboard and non shitty wifi card
2021-03-24T22:03:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah rpi workarounds
2021-03-24T22:03:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only complaint I have with my toughbook is the keyboard being kind of meh (but it's a 12" notebook so what do you expect) and the fact that it's currently using a wireless chip that requires blobs
2021-03-24T22:04:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> outside of that it doesn't seem to require any firmware, and based on my highly scientific test consisting of plugging random shit into the M.2 slots it doesn't have a whitelist, either
2021-03-24T22:04:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the twenty-hour battery life is also a nice touch
2021-03-24T22:05:16 #kisslinux <deppy> oh
2021-03-24T22:05:17 #kisslinux <deppy> nice
2021-03-24T22:05:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-24T22:05:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> my model is specifically the CF-C2
2021-03-24T22:05:36 #kisslinux <deppy> how many mah/Wh is the battery?
2021-03-24T22:05:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think it's 9600mAh
2021-03-24T22:05:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> quite beefy for a notebook
2021-03-24T22:05:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Sure but I love my useless 12 threads too much so battery life isn't concern for me :p
2021-03-24T22:06:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I wanted processing power I'd remote into my workstation
2021-03-24T22:06:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-24T22:06:51 #kisslinux <deppy> I underclock my laptops cpu to 667 mhz for better battery times
2021-03-24T22:06:53 #kisslinux <deppy> :^)
2021-03-24T22:07:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> same, but unironically
2021-03-24T22:07:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> 800mhz gang rise up
2021-03-24T22:07:11 #kisslinux <deppy> I am not being ironic
2021-03-24T22:07:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair enough then
2021-03-24T22:07:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're the first person I've met other than myself who does such a thing
2021-03-24T22:07:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> powertop as the only way to survive
2021-03-24T22:08:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not using sysfs to manage your hardware
2021-03-24T22:08:23 #kisslinux <deppy> > having a sysfs on your laptop
2021-03-24T22:08:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> >having a laptop
2021-03-24T22:08:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> >having a computer
2021-03-24T22:08:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> >existing and being born
2021-03-24T22:08:49 #kisslinux <deppy> > >
2021-03-24T22:09:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't even know why I hang out in this channel any mor
2021-03-24T22:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> e
2021-03-24T22:09:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I never had a reason
2021-03-24T22:09:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Waste of time
2021-03-24T22:09:40 #kisslinux <deppy> all entertainment is a waste of time
2021-03-24T22:09:44 #kisslinux <deppy> if you wanna be like that
2021-03-24T22:09:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But at least I can spam my nonsense and read messages by other coolhackers
2021-03-24T22:10:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't entertainment the only use of time
2021-03-24T22:10:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah yes, #kisslinux
2021-03-24T22:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> where only the leetest of heckers gather
2021-03-24T22:10:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> entertainment is cancer imo
2021-03-24T22:10:31 #kisslinux <deppy> dilyn: when everything is a waste of time you yourself can choose what time isn't wasted
2021-03-24T22:10:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> whoa dude
2021-03-24T22:10:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's like
2021-03-24T22:10:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> d e e p
2021-03-24T22:10:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah, the nihilism-lite approach to life
2021-03-24T22:10:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> quick dilyn post that on your insta
2021-03-24T22:10:48 #kisslinux <deppy> :^)
2021-03-24T22:10:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> so applying it to me my life is cancer
2021-03-24T22:10:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you will gain follower
2021-03-24T22:11:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> my insta is just whatever record recently came in the mail
2021-03-24T22:11:43 #kisslinux <deppy> dilyn: well, I'd say nietchze is more of an extension of nhilism than nhilism-lite
2021-03-24T22:11:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> the ubermensch didn't take it far enough
2021-03-24T22:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wish stirner had a twitter account
2021-03-24T22:12:22 #kisslinux <deppy> shame how he was co-opted by his nazi sister
2021-03-24T22:12:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like he would be an amazing shitposter
2021-03-24T22:12:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god fuck no
2021-03-24T22:12:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> can we not bring up no-see-isms again
2021-03-24T22:12:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-03-24T22:13:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I need to do fackelmarche sometimes
2021-03-24T22:13:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> suckless-approved
2021-03-24T22:17:12 #kisslinux <deppy> bye clowns
2021-03-24T22:17:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> what a wonderful person
2021-03-24T22:18:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I agree
2021-03-24T22:18:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I am a clown
2021-03-24T22:18:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also bye
2021-03-24T22:24:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So any comments on the fact that windows xp used open source toolchain and was compiled using gcc?
2021-03-24T22:24:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> unsurprising
2021-03-24T22:25:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you heard of windows xp source leaks of course
2021-03-24T22:25:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> unsurprising given how much better gcc optimizes
2021-03-24T22:25:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> better than MSVC, that is
2021-03-24T22:27:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if you have shitty corporate programmers, your compiler needs to do the work instead
2021-03-24T23:04:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> has anyone built libxcb-cursor before? its ridicilous imo..
2021-03-24T23:11:12 #kisslinux <travankor> who is deppy? freebsd shill ?
2021-03-24T23:11:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh they left? :V
2021-03-24T23:12:44 #kisslinux <travankor> actually, they never said which bsd
2021-03-24T23:13:11 #kisslinux <travankor> so i'll just assume they were troll le loonix plebs
2021-03-24T23:13:32 #kisslinux <travankor> s/troll/trolling/
2021-03-24T23:13:34 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> so i'll just assume they were trolling le loonix plebs
2021-03-24T23:13:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Looks like they got upset because people were joking about nazis
2021-03-24T23:14:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what a retarded channel this is
2021-03-24T23:14:45 #kisslinux <travankor> i don't even use suckless tools
2021-03-24T23:15:03 #kisslinux <travankor> (using lobase instead of sbase)
2021-03-24T23:15:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is an exceptionally retarded channel
2021-03-24T23:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should know by now kiedtl
2021-03-24T23:15:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> anything I touch becomes autistic
2021-03-24T23:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm like king midas
2021-03-24T23:16:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yes, and I'm tempted to change that.
2021-03-24T23:16:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> my mark will never be removed, even if I am
2021-03-24T23:16:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sadly yes
2021-03-24T23:17:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's any consolation I'd prefer having a containment channel to sit in all day
2021-03-24T23:17:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> but nobody will even let me have that
2021-03-24T23:18:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Poor beetle midf
2021-03-24T23:18:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the fuck?
2021-03-24T23:18:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> beetle
2021-03-24T23:18:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't mis-species me
2021-03-24T23:18:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "Poor leetle midfavila"
2021-03-24T23:18:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> you bigot
2021-03-24T23:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what, actually, fuck this