2021-05-05T00:00:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that because the program isn't being distributed, it's not a violation of user freedom
2021-05-05T00:00:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> those who don't know of FSF won't be finding them on twitter
2021-05-05T00:00:13 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: it is via JS
2021-05-05T00:00:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i forget what wacky workaround they use to avoid js
2021-05-05T00:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> some sort of mastodon mirror I think
2021-05-05T00:00:36 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-05-05T00:00:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium segfaulted! what a betrayal
2021-05-05T00:01:05 #kisslinux <riteo> time to switch to surf
2021-05-05T00:01:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is the way
2021-05-05T00:01:21 #kisslinux <riteo> gtk3webkit time
2021-05-05T00:01:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> FUCK NO
2021-05-05T00:01:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> or i could stop being lazy and just use jj
2021-05-05T00:01:39 #kisslinux <riteo> even better
2021-05-05T00:01:43 #kisslinux <riteo> extremely better
2021-05-05T00:01:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> webkit is so trash
2021-05-05T00:02:16 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavila: s/webkit/modern web browsing/g
2021-05-05T00:02:16 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> modern web browsing is so trash
2021-05-05T00:02:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> also that
2021-05-05T00:03:49 #kisslinux <acheam> been trying to use eww more lately
2021-05-05T00:03:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its been a good solution for browsing youtube
2021-05-05T00:04:07 #kisslinux <acheam> because its super easy to launch videos in mpv
2021-05-05T00:04:11 #kisslinux <acheam> s/youtube/invidious
2021-05-05T00:04:26 #kisslinux <riteo> modern web browsing is dead, let's convert the whole infrastructure of 1(one) http website to gemini
2021-05-05T00:04:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> my website does need to be mirrored on gemini
2021-05-05T00:05:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure the one visit I get per year will be through gemini
2021-05-05T00:05:13 #kisslinux <riteo> that'd be me
2021-05-05T00:05:14 #kisslinux <acheam> lol I dont think i've ever gotten a gemini visit
2021-05-05T00:05:31 #kisslinux <riteo> I'm the only idiot who uses it lmao
2021-05-05T00:05:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i like gemini as an idea
2021-05-05T00:05:56 #kisslinux <acheam> that reminds me I need to change my gemini setup, because right now it is only accesible with tlsv3 i think, so no libressl, bearssl, etc
2021-05-05T00:05:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's it
2021-05-05T00:06:00 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: my site?
2021-05-05T00:06:09 #kisslinux <riteo> do I didn't know you had one
2021-05-05T00:06:13 #kisslinux <riteo> send the link
2021-05-05T00:06:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> he meant my amazing, fantabulous, absolutely outstanding website
2021-05-05T00:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> straight outta the early '00s
2021-05-05T00:06:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> mad geocities vibes?
2021-05-05T00:06:49 #kisslinux <acheam> i never actually visit other people's gemini capsules, but I maybe just need to find a good client
2021-05-05T00:06:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://midfavila.chaosnet.org
2021-05-05T00:06:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> you tell me
2021-05-05T00:06:56 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: your website is bloat
2021-05-05T00:06:57 #kisslinux <riteo> also, do RSS feeds over gemini exist?
2021-05-05T00:06:59 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-05T00:07:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu acheam my website is great
2021-05-05T00:07:14 #kisslinux <acheam> it has >images<
2021-05-05T00:07:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it uses two
2021-05-05T00:07:20 #kisslinux <acheam> a gif!!!!!
2021-05-05T00:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> both super compressed
2021-05-05T00:07:22 #kisslinux <acheam> on every page!
2021-05-05T00:07:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao because my browser window is only a third of my screen the geometry has told your site to render as if I were on a phone
2021-05-05T00:07:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> 5 words per line
2021-05-05T00:07:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-05-05T00:08:10 #kisslinux <acheam> the gif on every page page is multiple times bigger than my homepage, midfavila
2021-05-05T00:08:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> the gif on every page is stored in your browser's cache
2021-05-05T00:08:28 #kisslinux <riteo> what's that gif lmao
2021-05-05T00:08:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop BULLYING me ;w;
2021-05-05T00:08:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i put a whole like fifteen minutes into this site
2021-05-05T00:08:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's my magnum opus
2021-05-05T00:08:50 #kisslinux <acheam> i do like the gif though
2021-05-05T00:08:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I did consider putting it on my site
2021-05-05T00:09:00 #kisslinux <acheam> but I couldn't fathom adding images
2021-05-05T00:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i really struggled with whether I should use that or the Lynx Enhanced logo
2021-05-05T00:09:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> the Lynx logo is really cute, but the BNS logo is more general
2021-05-05T00:09:27 #kisslinux <acheam> and ehrmagad mid, 4 CSS rules!!!
2021-05-05T00:09:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's right
2021-05-05T00:09:35 #kisslinux <acheam> too many!
2021-05-05T00:09:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> do not make me add a fifth.
2021-05-05T00:09:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> thou art trifling in matters far beyond the comprehension of a mere mortal
2021-05-05T00:09:54 #kisslinux <acheam> you should add this one:
2021-05-05T00:09:59 #kisslinux <acheam> body { display: none }
2021-05-05T00:10:15 #kisslinux <riteo> lmao
2021-05-05T00:10:19 #kisslinux <riteo> what a bloat though
2021-05-05T00:10:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it has CHARACTER
2021-05-05T00:10:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> pray that I do not add javascript
2021-05-05T00:10:57 #kisslinux <riteo> oh god please no
2021-05-05T00:11:02 #kisslinux <acheam> add a javascript spinner before each page
2021-05-05T00:11:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm gonna do it
2021-05-05T00:11:04 #kisslinux <riteo> i take back all I said
2021-05-05T00:11:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm gonna add JS
2021-05-05T00:11:18 #kisslinux <riteo> that's it
2021-05-05T00:11:23 #kisslinux <riteo> he gone crazy
2021-05-05T00:11:55 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: you should write on your blog
2021-05-05T00:12:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> the deed is done
2021-05-05T00:12:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> feast your eyes upon my works, ye fools, and weep
2021-05-05T00:12:34 #kisslinux <riteo> did you do it
2021-05-05T00:12:55 #kisslinux <riteo> I can't believe it
2021-05-05T00:13:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> fear my power
2021-05-05T00:13:24 #kisslinux <riteo> I hate you with all of my heart, as you completely got rid of all your morals
2021-05-05T00:13:24 #kisslinux <acheam> what did you change?
2021-05-05T00:13:32 #kisslinux <riteo> they added js
2021-05-05T00:13:40 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr akward
2021-05-05T00:13:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> my knowledge of a single JS function strikes fear into the non-specific organs of men, women and all non-gender-conforming members of all species
2021-05-05T00:13:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I forgot to disable umatrix
2021-05-05T00:14:33 #kisslinux <riteo> I love how midfavilla implies the existence of non-gender-conforming ants to exist
2021-05-05T00:14:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> I put even less thought into my own site mid
2021-05-05T00:14:45 #kisslinux * midfavila gasps
2021-05-05T00:14:47 #kisslinux <acheam> you just copied dylan lol
2021-05-05T00:14:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering it's roughly one-to-one lifted from Dylan
2021-05-05T00:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't steal dylan's eyepee
2021-05-05T00:14:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> One day I'll play with it
2021-05-05T00:15:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> > MIT
2021-05-05T00:15:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> not theft
2021-05-05T00:15:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> problem.jpg
2021-05-05T00:15:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, it was under a cuck license
2021-05-05T00:15:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair enough
2021-05-05T00:15:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> stea-I mean, *redistribute*, away
2021-05-05T00:15:33 #kisslinux <acheam> when uses luke smiths langauge
2021-05-05T00:15:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> kk bommer
2021-05-05T00:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> bommer
2021-05-05T00:15:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-05-05T00:16:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> :>
2021-05-05T00:16:10 #kisslinux <riteo> lmao dilyn websites makes him feel so much more like what someone might describe dylan like from memory
2021-05-05T00:16:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfaoo
2021-05-05T00:16:24 #kisslinux <acheam> hahaha
2021-05-05T00:16:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Are you Dylan?" No, I am merely a poor approximation
2021-05-05T00:16:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's because dilyn is the genetically inferior clone of dylan
2021-05-05T00:16:40 #kisslinux <riteo> AHAHAHAHA
2021-05-05T00:16:46 #kisslinux <acheam> but dilyn is aryan
2021-05-05T00:16:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> the solidus to dylan's solid
2021-05-05T00:16:53 #kisslinux <riteo> the biggest coincidence ever, I fucking love it
2021-05-05T00:16:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> Little do you know, I have a tattoo in greek
2021-05-05T00:17:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy fucking shit
2021-05-05T00:17:02 #kisslinux <acheam> :gasp:
2021-05-05T00:17:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a conspiracy
2021-05-05T00:17:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> and I also live in a former British Colony
2021-05-05T00:17:09 #kisslinux <riteo> dilyn is dylan confirmed?!?!?!?!!!?!
2021-05-05T00:17:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> my name is even an approximation
2021-05-05T00:17:35 #kisslinux <riteo> he has been playing us fools all along
2021-05-05T00:17:44 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: half the world does lol
2021-05-05T00:17:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the dark world equivalent
2021-05-05T00:17:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> dark dylan
2021-05-05T00:18:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm Knuckles
2021-05-05T00:18:01 #kisslinux <acheam> the only difference
2021-05-05T00:18:04 #kisslinux <riteo> this implies a dark kiss linux to exist somewhere
2021-05-05T00:18:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> or... no... less cool...
2021-05-05T00:18:06 #kisslinux <acheam> is that I never nagged Dylan
2021-05-05T00:18:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm waluigi
2021-05-05T00:18:11 #kisslinux <riteo> the ULTIMATE BLOAT
2021-05-05T00:18:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> wadylan
2021-05-05T00:18:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> dark kiss linux is just red hat
2021-05-05T00:18:20 #kisslinux <riteo> right
2021-05-05T00:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> change my mind
2021-05-05T00:18:29 #kisslinux <acheam> is that chanserv message still a thing
2021-05-05T00:18:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-05-05T00:19:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> y'all are distracting me from writing this v important pitch to get a job
2021-05-05T00:19:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> job schmob
2021-05-05T00:19:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> reject the wage cage, embrace the neet lifestyle
2021-05-05T00:19:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I tried that
2021-05-05T00:19:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> try harder
2021-05-05T00:19:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> did not werk(tm)
2021-05-05T00:19:53 #kisslinux <acheam> you can survive off of FOSS donations
2021-05-05T00:19:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-05-05T00:20:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> the depression is just your desire to be a real bean
2021-05-05T00:20:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> smother it
2021-05-05T00:20:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> consume the tendie
2021-05-05T00:20:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> gain its power
2021-05-05T00:20:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus
2021-05-05T00:20:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't want any of this
2021-05-05T00:20:23 #kisslinux <riteo> acheam: I don't think that would work on software written for a very small niche
2021-05-05T00:20:29 #kisslinux <riteo> unfortunately
2021-05-05T00:20:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's too late dilyn
2021-05-05T00:20:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan was making a whole $65 a month!
2021-05-05T00:20:38 #kisslinux <acheam> if you move to Boston you can make money giving people fake parking tickets after red sox games
2021-05-05T00:20:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> canbedone
2021-05-05T00:20:42 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: twas a joke
2021-05-05T00:20:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> my autism has crossed the tubes of freenode and infected you
2021-05-05T00:20:53 #kisslinux <acheam> another nag: KISS merch and DVDs when?
2021-05-05T00:20:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> your career options are limited
2021-05-05T00:20:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> it already exists!
2021-05-05T00:21:00 #kisslinux <riteo> that's not impossible actually
2021-05-05T00:21:11 #kisslinux <acheam> ik
2021-05-05T00:21:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl
2021-05-05T00:21:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> If my career options are limited to schill for $$$ or keyboard monkey for $
2021-05-05T00:21:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll definitely take the $$$
2021-05-05T00:21:39 #kisslinux <riteo> I'd be kinda against merch just for the minimalist approach (also, why would you want to wear an ad), but the dvd option is actually kinda cool
2021-05-05T00:21:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could totally dig the 65$ a month freelance developer aesthetic
2021-05-05T00:21:54 #kisslinux <acheam> go back to baristism
2021-05-05T00:21:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would outright refuse donations
2021-05-05T00:22:07 #kisslinux <riteo> oh yeah 65$ a month is a lot for a niche ultra-minimalist linux distro
2021-05-05T00:22:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can already make KISS DVDs!
2021-05-05T00:22:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, isn't the cost of living in greece fairly low compared to the US?
2021-05-05T00:22:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm not gonna be Canonical and construct an entire distribution network just to mail people disks for IDE interfaces they don't own anymore
2021-05-05T00:22:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> for all I know 65US could be like. a fair amount in greece
2021-05-05T00:22:49 #kisslinux <riteo> I fet what you mean for the donation part, it would make you feel like you owe people better, more stressful work for them
2021-05-05T00:23:09 #kisslinux <acheam> i do want to kiss sticker to cover up the sins that are on my laptop now
2021-05-05T00:23:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just don't think what I'm doing is worth a donation; supporting this project can be done in better ways
2021-05-05T00:23:18 #kisslinux <acheam> namely a debian and arch sticker
2021-05-05T00:23:18 #kisslinux <riteo> probably the distribution with a small fee idea (dvds, usb drives, printed manuals maybe?) would be the most morally viable choice
2021-05-05T00:23:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I also need an emacs sticker to compliement my vim one
2021-05-05T00:23:29 #kisslinux <acheam> paper manual!!!
2021-05-05T00:23:31 #kisslinux <acheam> yes!!!
2021-05-05T00:23:43 #kisslinux <acheam> plz gib dis to mee
2021-05-05T00:23:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> I couldn't charge people for KISS DVDs
2021-05-05T00:23:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> That's a lawsuit
2021-05-05T00:23:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks GCC
2021-05-05T00:23:59 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-05-05T00:24:00 #kisslinux <riteo> i would really like a properly constructed printed manual, with the ascii art intact
2021-05-05T00:24:01 #kisslinux <acheam> it is?
2021-05-05T00:24:04 #kisslinux <riteo> god I'd love it
2021-05-05T00:24:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ^^^^^
2021-05-05T00:24:07 #kisslinux <acheam> omg
2021-05-05T00:24:12 #kisslinux <acheam> we are doing this
2021-05-05T00:24:13 #kisslinux <riteo> how
2021-05-05T00:24:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd have to give them the source code on the DVD as well
2021-05-05T00:24:22 #kisslinux <riteo> how does debian do it?
2021-05-05T00:24:26 #kisslinux <acheam> what's the problem with that, dilyn
2021-05-05T00:24:29 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: good question
2021-05-05T00:24:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't WANNA
2021-05-05T00:24:42 #kisslinux <acheam> i know debian distributes like a 10 dvd set with the full software archives on it
2021-05-05T00:25:01 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, it's not like it's a modified version of the GCC
2021-05-05T00:25:07 #kisslinux <riteo> the source code's available on the web
2021-05-05T00:25:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> You have to distribute the source with the binary
2021-05-05T00:25:23 #kisslinux <acheam> so?
2021-05-05T00:25:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> does debian charge for it?
2021-05-05T00:25:25 #kisslinux <acheam> thats reasonable
2021-05-05T00:25:31 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: yes
2021-05-05T00:25:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-05T00:25:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> well I'm not doing this :P
2021-05-05T00:25:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> someone setup a shopify
2021-05-05T00:25:49 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah even in the possibility (of which I'm not sure) that you'd have to share the source code I don't see why that would be a problem
2021-05-05T00:25:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> get a label printer
2021-05-05T00:25:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> go ham
2021-05-05T00:25:54 #kisslinux <acheam> if I ever find my DVD burner I will
2021-05-05T00:25:59 #kisslinux <riteo> just, like predownload the needed packages maybe?
2021-05-05T00:26:03 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: proprietary js do I hear?
2021-05-05T00:26:08 #kisslinux <acheam> there's two of em!
2021-05-05T00:26:17 #kisslinux <acheam> but a printed manual?
2021-05-05T00:26:18 #kisslinux <acheam> hell yes
2021-05-05T00:26:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh fuck
2021-05-05T00:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i would buy a printed manual
2021-05-05T00:26:43 #kisslinux <riteo> everyone would
2021-05-05T00:26:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I wonder how hard it would be to write a script that generates a book fromt he website
2021-05-05T00:26:48 #kisslinux <riteo> would it be a wiki snapshot though?
2021-05-05T00:26:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or like, a proper, typeset version of the bash and sh bibles
2021-05-05T00:26:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fdhsjkfhsdghfklsdhfuisdhlfsdkhfasdklhjfksdalfsd
2021-05-05T00:27:00 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: presumably
2021-05-05T00:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> give me a spiral-bound operator's handbook
2021-05-05T00:27:06 #kisslinux <acheam> stop I can only get so hard
2021-05-05T00:27:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus
2021-05-05T00:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the collective wisdom of #kisslinux
2021-05-05T00:27:19 #kisslinux <riteo> or would it be a (obviously easily accessible for free on the web) separate work?
2021-05-05T00:27:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> condensed into one tome
2021-05-05T00:27:26 #kisslinux <riteo> you know, install guide style
2021-05-05T00:27:45 #kisslinux <riteo> god god god you can't believe how much I want it now
2021-05-05T00:27:52 #kisslinux <riteo> dflòajsdòalkhjsadiofhasdklfhhasdlkòfhasdkfhaskjfhasdjfhhhhadskjf
2021-05-05T00:27:53 #kisslinux <acheam> screw my exams i'm doing this right no
2021-05-05T00:27:55 #kisslinux <acheam> r tdyuio
2021-05-05T00:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> G i v e   u s   t h e   b o o k   d i l y n
2021-05-05T00:28:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> w      e            h   u   n   g   e   r
2021-05-05T00:28:24 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm starting with the pure-sh-bible
2021-05-05T00:28:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had a printer I'd have already printed them
2021-05-05T00:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> alas
2021-05-05T00:28:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i do not have 200-300$ to invest in printing equipment
2021-05-05T00:29:05 #kisslinux <riteo> I actually have one
2021-05-05T00:29:14 #kisslinux <riteo> black and white, but that'd be perfect
2021-05-05T00:29:18 #kisslinux <riteo> also laser, so waterproof
2021-05-05T00:29:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I intend to get a dot matrix
2021-05-05T00:29:26 #kisslinux <riteo> waterproof ink, I meant
2021-05-05T00:29:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> with the old-school tractor paper and stuff
2021-05-05T00:29:49 #kisslinux <riteo> oh god a printed manual with a DOT MATRIX printer?
2021-05-05T00:29:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I was gonna put effort into binding a really nice book, it'd have a leather-bound cover
2021-05-05T00:29:58 #kisslinux <riteo> i'd pay twice for that
2021-05-05T00:30:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and probably laminated pages
2021-05-05T00:30:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> nice gold-embossed title...
2021-05-05T00:30:12 #kisslinux <riteo> I don't know, leater bound sounds not only overkill, but also kinda old style
2021-05-05T00:30:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude
2021-05-05T00:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you seen my setup
2021-05-05T00:30:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's my entire aesthetic
2021-05-05T00:30:25 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-05-05T00:30:54 #kisslinux <riteo> A thicc cardboard laminated style for the cover would be better IMO
2021-05-05T00:31:03 #kisslinux <riteo> let's copy the style of the C standard book, expecially the cover
2021-05-05T00:31:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can see both having their own appeal
2021-05-05T00:31:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be nice
2021-05-05T00:31:18 #kisslinux <acheam> what about a spiral bound
2021-05-05T00:31:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I intend to make a spiral bound manual for myself
2021-05-05T00:31:33 #kisslinux <acheam> like the old school computer manuals
2021-05-05T00:31:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> For technical documents, spiral binds are superior
2021-05-05T00:31:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, unrelated
2021-05-05T00:32:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but what do I need to sacrifice to get libinput to work with udev-zero
2021-05-05T00:32:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> my trackpad does not like udev-zero very much at all
2021-05-05T00:35:16 #kisslinux <riteo> I've never used udev-zero before (epic I can't switch to kiss yet because nvidia bullcrap moment), but since it's a cleanroom implementation that should completely replace it, does this issue happen too with udev?
2021-05-05T00:35:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-05-05T00:35:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> happens exclusively with udev-zero
2021-05-05T00:35:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> oddly enough nothing else breaks
2021-05-05T00:35:41 #kisslinux <riteo> why don't you report this bug to the developer?
2021-05-05T00:35:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> including my digitizer and touch screen
2021-05-05T00:35:49 #kisslinux <riteo> i'm pretty sure this shouldn't happen
2021-05-05T00:35:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I doubt it's a bug
2021-05-05T00:36:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> perhaps some sort of configuration error on my part
2021-05-05T00:36:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> libudev-zero is essentially a drop-in for the libudev portion of udev
2021-05-05T00:36:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mmh. You're supposed to use some other device manager with it, right?
2021-05-05T00:36:44 #kisslinux <riteo> did you do special stuff to it, or does the kernel already have drivers for it and whatnot?
2021-05-05T00:36:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> that your hardware isn't working with libudev-zero means that something isn't implemented correctly, or ~something else~
2021-05-05T00:37:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you want to get udev functionality you need libudev-zero + device manager
2021-05-05T00:37:10 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-05-05T00:37:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, not a strict necessity
2021-05-05T00:37:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, time to package smdev I guess
2021-05-05T00:37:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not devoted enough to write an xorg configuration for my touchpad
2021-05-05T00:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> not yet anyway
2021-05-05T00:38:10 #kisslinux <riteo> well at this point you have no other choice than to try using another devmanager if tou don't want to mess up things even more
2021-05-05T00:38:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> device managers are for chumps anyways. let the kernel mount devtmpfs itself, and change the device permissions manually
2021-05-05T00:38:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-05-05T00:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> >using devtmpfs
2021-05-05T00:38:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> smol brane
2021-05-05T00:38:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> how else will i cat /dev/null
2021-05-05T00:38:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> excessive mknod abuse
2021-05-05T00:39:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> mknod c 4 f u
2021-05-05T00:39:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> you wish
2021-05-05T00:39:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you don't make your own nodes are you even using UNIX
2021-05-05T00:39:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> are we even in Bell Labs
2021-05-05T00:39:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> Is this even 1975?
2021-05-05T00:39:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> smh
2021-05-05T00:39:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> bell labs uses plan 9
2021-05-05T00:39:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> s m h
2021-05-05T00:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> the ultimate secure OS
2021-05-05T00:41:15 #kisslinux <acheam> so how many of htese should we print? 10?
2021-05-05T00:41:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd say just print on demand
2021-05-05T00:42:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, now I have to get a printer and bookbinding equipment
2021-05-05T00:42:27 #kisslinux <acheam> newchair is back!
2021-05-05T00:42:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh
2021-05-05T00:42:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> what?
2021-05-05T00:42:57 #kisslinux <acheam> you just had to be there
2021-05-05T00:43:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah, of course
2021-05-05T00:45:41 #kisslinux <riteo> I really want to try experimenting with printing the wiki
2021-05-05T00:45:49 #kisslinux <riteo> too bad that I really can't buy bookbinding stuff
2021-05-05T00:45:58 #kisslinux <riteo> right now, at least
2021-05-05T00:46:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> bookbinders almost certainly still exist
2021-05-05T00:46:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> find a local printshop
2021-05-05T00:46:21 #kisslinux <riteo> no, I'm not talking availability wise
2021-05-05T00:46:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I can do it in June or so
2021-05-05T00:46:52 #kisslinux <riteo> like, my parents won't let me out, I messed up some things with them and they're kinda angry at me lately
2021-05-05T00:47:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> damn
2021-05-05T00:47:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sucks
2021-05-05T00:47:01 #kisslinux <riteo> oh that'd be cool
2021-05-05T00:47:12 #kisslinux <riteo> the definitive thing would be the dot-matrix printed wone
2021-05-05T00:47:16 #kisslinux <riteo> s/wone/one/g
2021-05-05T00:47:16 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> the definitive thing would be the dot-matrix printed one
2021-05-05T00:47:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> take that, acheam
2021-05-05T00:47:18 #kisslinux <acheam> but for now i'm working on automating the process between the website/wiki/bibles and latex
2021-05-05T00:47:23 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: take what?
2021-05-05T00:47:37 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavila plans to buy a dot-matrix printer
2021-05-05T00:47:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> my dot-matrix printer will absolutely d e s t r o y yours
2021-05-05T00:47:42 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-05-05T00:47:49 #kisslinux <acheam> good for you?
2021-05-05T00:48:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is deciding whether LPR is bloat or not
2021-05-05T00:48:48 #kisslinux <acheam> just write straight to dev
2021-05-05T00:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl that's what I was considering
2021-05-05T00:49:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not like this is a multi-user system
2021-05-05T00:49:04 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, lpr isn't that bloated
2021-05-05T00:49:23 #kisslinux <acheam> but it is written by Pear inc
2021-05-05T00:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> incorrect
2021-05-05T00:50:14 #kisslinux <riteo> IMO piping straight to dev would be the most badass way to print the manual for a distro like this
2021-05-05T00:50:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll typeset it using mandoc
2021-05-05T00:50:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> for the authentic manpage experience
2021-05-05T00:50:36 #kisslinux <riteo> god why
2021-05-05T00:51:00 #kisslinux <acheam> you're not going to use mandb mid!!!
2021-05-05T00:51:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> physical manifestation of `man`
2021-05-05T00:51:18 #kisslinux <riteo> oh god, the real man
2021-05-05T00:51:25 #kisslinux <riteo> time to download the whole man database and print it all
2021-05-05T00:51:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the big man book
2021-05-05T00:51:33 #kisslinux <riteo> I'll have the most cursed book ever created
2021-05-05T00:51:35 #kisslinux <acheam> man -t kiss | lpr
2021-05-05T00:51:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly if I was going to make one, it probably wouldn't be kiss-specific
2021-05-05T00:51:55 #kisslinux <riteo> all the people who will touch it will learn all of man in an instant
2021-05-05T00:51:56 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: s/curesed/blessed/g
2021-05-05T00:51:56 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> all the people who will touch it will learn all of man in an instant
2021-05-05T00:52:03 #kisslinux <acheam> screw you movzbl
2021-05-05T00:52:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> complete POSIX manpages, along with pages detailing tips, tricks, foiklore, and general knowledge about yoonix and friends
2021-05-05T00:52:37 #kisslinux <riteo> the weight of such knowledge would kill any man
2021-05-05T00:52:38 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like cat-v
2021-05-05T00:52:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> it would be like
2021-05-05T00:52:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> cat-v
2021-05-05T00:52:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> combined with the new hacker's dictionary
2021-05-05T00:52:50 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh that's what I said
2021-05-05T00:52:53 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-05-05T00:52:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> combined with man
2021-05-05T00:52:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> IRL manpages are just asking your biggest, deep-havingest voiced friend to read you a bedtime story
2021-05-05T00:52:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> combined with like
2021-05-05T00:53:00 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds good to me
2021-05-05T00:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> computer lib/dream machines
2021-05-05T00:53:07 #kisslinux <acheam> besides the cat-v homophobia and stuff
2021-05-05T00:53:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> meh. people are entitled to their opinions
2021-05-05T00:53:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> no point in getting upset about what random people have to say
2021-05-05T00:53:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I do have a 400 page vim manual that I've never really opened
2021-05-05T00:53:47 #kisslinux <acheam> because of :help
2021-05-05T00:53:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not GNU info
2021-05-05T00:54:04 #kisslinux <riteo> how does one even navigate that
2021-05-05T00:54:07 #kisslinux <acheam> when even GNU Emacs doesn't use info
2021-05-05T00:54:11 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: with a wing and a prayer
2021-05-05T00:54:14 #kisslinux <riteo> gnu info is the most weird program I've ever tried
2021-05-05T00:54:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> info is awful
2021-05-05T00:54:30 #kisslinux <acheam> but for real, `info info` is helpful
2021-05-05T00:54:42 #kisslinux <acheam> and know your emacs/readline keybindings
2021-05-05T00:54:49 #kisslinux <riteo> oh my god there are hyperlinks
2021-05-05T00:54:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> info is a hyperlinked help system
2021-05-05T00:54:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> so uh
2021-05-05T00:54:56 #kisslinux <acheam> that's part of what makes it great IMO
2021-05-05T00:54:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-05-05T00:55:02 #kisslinux <acheam> well
2021-05-05T00:55:04 #kisslinux <acheam> not great
2021-05-05T00:55:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> info is similar to HURD
2021-05-05T00:55:06 #kisslinux <acheam> but interesting
2021-05-05T00:55:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> in that it has a lot of really cool ideas
2021-05-05T00:55:13 #kisslinux <acheam> oh boy thats not a great start
2021-05-05T00:55:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it tries really earnestly
2021-05-05T00:55:17 #kisslinux <riteo> is there a way to move with hjkl?
2021-05-05T00:55:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then pratfalls right onto its face
2021-05-05T00:55:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then is promptly forgotten about by everyone
2021-05-05T00:55:45 #kisslinux <riteo> gimme a sec, gotta very quickly disconnect
2021-05-05T00:55:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> the heretic abandons the cause
2021-05-05T00:55:58 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: doubt it
2021-05-05T00:56:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> mark him for death
2021-05-05T00:56:50 #kisslinux <riteo> here I am
2021-05-05T00:57:10 #kisslinux <acheam> shhh everyone be quiet
2021-05-05T00:57:16 #kisslinux <riteo> why
2021-05-05T00:57:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam
2021-05-05T00:57:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam
2021-05-05T00:57:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam
2021-05-05T00:57:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam
2021-05-05T00:57:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam
2021-05-05T00:57:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> guess what
2021-05-05T00:57:41 #kisslinux <acheam> I just hear this buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz from my phone across the room
2021-05-05T00:58:06 #kisslinux <acheam> only to see its mid
2021-05-05T00:58:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course it's me
2021-05-05T00:58:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> who else did you expect
2021-05-05T00:58:50 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn
2021-05-05T00:58:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> too bad
2021-05-05T00:59:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've killed dilyn and am using his body as a skinsuit
2021-05-05T00:59:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> stole the title of BDFL through righteous combat
2021-05-05T01:05:16 #kisslinux <acheam> I present to you
2021-05-05T01:05:19 #kisslinux <acheam> the pure sh bible
2021-05-05T01:05:19 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/Ce.pdf
2021-05-05T01:05:48 #kisslinux <acheam> this is just preliminary I need to figure out how to use latex better fist
2021-05-05T01:06:00 #kisslinux <acheam> but I do think this looks pretty nice to begin tiwht
2021-05-05T01:08:00 #kisslinux <riteo> oh wow this is actually really good
2021-05-05T01:08:10 #kisslinux <acheam> as it turns out its a bit shorter than I thought
2021-05-05T01:08:40 #kisslinux <riteo> if I had only the PDF I would've said that this was an ebook off amazon
2021-05-05T01:08:42 #kisslinux <acheam> the bash bible is about 2ice as long
2021-05-05T01:08:51 #kisslinux <acheam> thats the power of latex
2021-05-05T01:09:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> latex is definitely a lot nicer than roff or mandoc
2021-05-05T01:10:07 #kisslinux <acheam> okay I should start on my work now
2021-05-05T01:10:24 #kisslinux <acheam> well... the night is still young
2021-05-05T01:16:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> damn LaTeX look goooooooooodddd
2021-05-05T01:17:36 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm using the memoir style if you're interested
2021-05-05T01:17:45 #kisslinux <acheam> style/theme/template/package whatever they're called in tex
2021-05-05T01:17:50 #kisslinux <acheam> or latex
2021-05-05T01:17:52 #kisslinux <acheam> or miktex
2021-05-05T01:17:59 #kisslinux <acheam> am very confused as you can tell
2021-05-05T01:18:07 #kisslinux <acheam> but I got a PDF out of it, so that's all that matters
2021-05-05T01:18:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> PSA: mesa and libdrm build for all platforms by default so each person should really fork it and configure it for the platforms they need
2021-05-05T01:19:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i cut my mesa build time substantially
2021-05-05T01:20:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> superior solution
2021-05-05T01:20:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> build a dual CPU machine
2021-05-05T01:20:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's a good idea
2021-05-05T01:20:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have to do that sometime
2021-05-05T01:24:50 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: hmm thanks
2021-05-05T01:24:55 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: no.
2021-05-05T01:25:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam: yes
2021-05-05T01:25:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> embrace the e-waste xeon aesthetic
2021-05-05T01:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> give old hardware new life
2021-05-05T01:26:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I already do that
2021-05-05T01:26:37 #kisslinux <acheam> just not as my main desktop
2021-05-05T01:26:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> do it more
2021-05-05T01:26:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> become the pile of scrap
2021-05-05T01:26:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> embrace it
2021-05-05T01:26:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> mold it into your image
2021-05-05T01:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> bend it to your will
2021-05-05T01:27:20 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: it takes you no effort to emulate a pile of garbage
2021-05-05T01:27:22 #kisslinux <acheam> but for me?
2021-05-05T01:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey!
2021-05-05T01:27:37 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't know if I have enough 5 hour energies to give me the energy I need
2021-05-05T01:27:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have you know that I try very, very hard to emulate garbage
2021-05-05T01:29:00 #kisslinux <acheam> and you succeed
2021-05-05T01:29:06 #kisslinux <acheam> congrats
2021-05-05T01:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> - w-
2021-05-05T01:29:14 #kisslinux <acheam> but you're lovable garbage
2021-05-05T01:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i am currently experiencing mixed emotions
2021-05-05T01:30:00 #kisslinux * acheam hugs midfavila
2021-05-05T01:30:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> beh
2021-05-05T01:30:24 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-05-05T01:31:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I need to write a script to automate the setup process for my mode
2021-05-05T01:31:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> modem*
2021-05-05T01:36:34 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> acheam: nice bible
2021-05-05T01:36:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> what did you use for syntax highlighting
2021-05-05T01:36:56 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhhhh
2021-05-05T01:37:00 #kisslinux <acheam> whatever pandoc uses
2021-05-05T01:37:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> smells like bloat
2021-05-05T01:37:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> sniff sniff
2021-05-05T01:37:15 #kisslinux <acheam> its the tango colors though
2021-05-05T01:37:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> sniff snoff snar
2021-05-05T01:37:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> f
2021-05-05T01:37:26 #kisslinux <acheam> tango is my favorite neutral color scheme
2021-05-05T01:37:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> tango is so *generic*
2021-05-05T01:37:43 #kisslinux <acheam> that's what makes it good for something like this
2021-05-05T01:37:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> not as painfully boring as adwaita
2021-05-05T01:37:46 #kisslinux <acheam> it isn't my favorite
2021-05-05T01:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> just generally nice
2021-05-05T01:37:58 #kisslinux * acheam likes adwaita
2021-05-05T01:38:09 #kisslinux <acheam> its a good default
2021-05-05T01:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a good *default*, yes
2021-05-05T01:38:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2021-05-05T01:38:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> almost every GTK3 theme is just adwaita with different colors
2021-05-05T01:38:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it makes me want to rip my hair out
2021-05-05T01:39:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> the boomerang project makes good themes though
2021-05-05T01:40:35 #kisslinux <acheam> thats not true
2021-05-05T01:40:39 #kisslinux <acheam> most of them are flat
2021-05-05T01:40:42 #kisslinux <acheam> which pains me
2021-05-05T01:40:47 #kisslinux <acheam> adwaita has some depth to it
2021-05-05T01:41:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, but it's all smooth and yucky and gross
2021-05-05T01:41:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want a QNX theme
2021-05-05T01:41:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> photon is such a comfy UI
2021-05-05T02:00:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://art.ngfiles.com/images/1559000/1559174_reaganlodge_christmas-1914-2.jpg?f1608927054
2021-05-05T02:00:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> unrelated
2021-05-05T02:00:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> but newgrounds is still hip and cool
2021-05-05T02:00:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> fight me
2021-05-05T02:02:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> noocsharp: good pro strat. my chief complaint with how we package mesa is it makes it seem like users need llvm to use xorg, which is just obviously false if users don't have amdgpu
2021-05-05T02:09:09 #kisslinux <illiliti> is anyone able to compile linux 5.12 ?
2021-05-05T02:09:46 #kisslinux <illiliti> i got these errors: https://termbin.com/hc9s
2021-05-05T02:19:27 #kisslinux <acheam> illiliti: I believe testuser_[m] was able to
2021-05-05T02:22:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210503#c7861315
2021-05-05T02:23:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> worked for me
2021-05-05T02:26:54 #kisslinux <illiliti> dilyn: can you post this solution to reddit/github to let people know?
2021-05-05T02:37:27 #kisslinux <acheam> or the ML :)
2021-05-05T02:47:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> It'll be a news post :)
2021-05-05T03:05:58 #kisslinux <riteo> well, after some connection issues here I am
2021-05-05T03:06:40 #kisslinux <riteo> I came back just to say bye to y'all, since I think I'll go to sleep. Cya!
2021-05-05T03:06:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> ciao!
2021-05-05T03:07:09 #kisslinux <riteo> oh lmao I'm actually italian and that confused me for a moment
2021-05-05T03:07:39 #kisslinux <riteo> ok i'll actually quit now
2021-05-05T03:09:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> have i been lied to and ciao is not italian aloha
2021-05-05T03:09:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> have I been doing this wrong for fifteen years
2021-05-05T03:10:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm like 99.999% sure you have been, dilyn
2021-05-05T03:10:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> le sigh
2021-05-05T03:11:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never heard someone use ciao as a greeting, for one
2021-05-05T03:11:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao
2021-05-05T03:11:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> VINDICATED
2021-05-05T03:11:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> suck it, native speakers
2021-05-05T03:18:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> its both lmao
2021-05-05T03:48:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-05-05T03:51:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> hello
2021-05-05T03:53:48 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m], noocsharp
2021-05-05T03:55:08 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: which pinephone do you have?
2021-05-05T03:55:28 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its in the mail, but the most recent batch
2021-05-05T03:55:31 #kisslinux <noocsharp> beta edition
2021-05-05T03:55:42 #kisslinux <acheam> ah nice
2021-05-05T03:58:20 #kisslinux <noocsharp> once i get it maybe ill be able to empathize with mid's modem issues
2021-05-05T04:01:29 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-05-05T04:07:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what book should i read next
2021-05-05T04:11:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> fiction or non
2021-05-05T04:12:12 #kisslinux <acheam> K&R
2021-05-05T04:12:13 #kisslinux <acheam> awk
2021-05-05T04:12:29 #kisslinux <acheam> the posix SH bible
2021-05-05T04:12:31 #kisslinux <noocsharp> anything non-tech related
2021-05-05T04:12:34 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-05T04:12:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-05T04:12:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well it can be tech, just not a technical book
2021-05-05T04:13:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> that eliminates 70% of my suggestions
2021-05-05T04:13:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i spend enough time reading man pages
2021-05-05T04:13:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> cosmos
2021-05-05T04:14:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> shapiro's thinking about mathematics is pretty good
2021-05-05T04:14:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> priest's beyond the limits of thought
2021-05-05T04:14:19 #kisslinux <acheam> which shapiro are we talking about
2021-05-05T04:14:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> ben obviously!
2021-05-05T04:14:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> no
2021-05-05T04:14:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> stewart
2021-05-05T04:14:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty good professor of mathematics from... OSU?
2021-05-05T04:14:52 #kisslinux <acheam> read city of theives if you havent already
2021-05-05T04:15:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> nontechnical but solid discussions about mathy things
2021-05-05T04:15:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmm read inkheart!
2021-05-05T04:15:17 #kisslinux <acheam> he's from the rhythm game?
2021-05-05T04:15:23 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry i'm tired
2021-05-05T04:15:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-05-05T04:15:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> im tryna read The Three Body Problem atm
2021-05-05T04:15:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> ohio state university
2021-05-05T04:15:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-05-05T04:16:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is it.. the art of learning?
2021-05-05T04:16:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah by josh waitzkin
2021-05-05T04:16:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty good book
2021-05-05T04:18:56 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thanks for the suggestions
2021-05-05T04:19:20 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i'll put them on the list, and probably end up picking something completely unrelated lmao
2021-05-05T04:19:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> a mood
2021-05-05T04:19:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been reading the same book since 2015
2021-05-05T04:19:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> also a mood
2021-05-05T04:19:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> which one?
2021-05-05T04:20:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> one day I'll reach part 2
2021-05-05T04:20:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> i pick up new books and all the time
2021-05-05T04:20:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> philosophical investigations by wittgenstein
2021-05-05T04:20:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> and start reading them
2021-05-05T04:20:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> and then take a break lmao
2021-05-05T04:20:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> i get to the same point every time i try to read it and I have to sit there for like forty minutes thinking about it
2021-05-05T04:20:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then I decide to take a break to soak it in
2021-05-05T04:20:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I just dont read outside of school, its a problem
2021-05-05T04:20:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then three months have gone by and I realize not only did it NOT soak in
2021-05-05T04:21:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its like when i try to read the art of computer programming, try to do the exercises, and then abandon it, but on a larger scale
2021-05-05T04:21:38 #kisslinux <acheam> was that book ever meant to be read?
2021-05-05T04:22:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ive never seen anyone actually read it
2021-05-05T04:22:38 #kisslinux <acheam> neither have I
2021-05-05T04:22:45 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like a task for when I retire
2021-05-05T04:23:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the only people i can confirm to have read it are the ones with accounts in the Bank of San Seriffe
2021-05-05T04:41:48 #kisslinux <acheam> doubtfully in its entirety though
2021-05-05T04:42:06 #kisslinux <acheam> well entirety being completeted sections until now
2021-05-05T04:44:43 #kisslinux <acheam> "It turns out that only 9 of the first 275 checks that I've sent out since the beginning of 2006 have actually been cashed. "
2021-05-05T04:45:01 #kisslinux <acheam> having a Knuth check is a collectable :)
2021-05-05T04:50:53 #kisslinux <icy> h
2021-05-05T04:51:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i
2021-05-05T04:51:37 #kisslinux <icy> what's good
2021-05-05T04:52:00 #kisslinux <icy> are y'all doin some KISS things
2021-05-05T05:00:24 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yes, occasionally such things do happen in this channel
2021-05-05T05:01:01 #kisslinux <miskatonic> many things happen when dilyn is around
2021-05-05T05:02:00 #kisslinux <m3g> nice, reconnected
2021-05-05T12:44:29 #kisslinux <kernelc> Hi, could anyone help with setuping tinyramfs with luks?
2021-05-05T12:54:24 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi
2021-05-05T12:55:35 #kisslinux <acheam> hey mmatongo
2021-05-05T12:55:53 #kisslinux <mmatongo> how are you doing acheam
2021-05-05T12:56:00 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm doing koay
2021-05-05T12:56:08 #kisslinux <acheam> just got to school
2021-05-05T12:56:55 #kisslinux <mmatongo> just got home myself, missed my linux :`(
2021-05-05T12:58:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You have offline school acheam ?
2021-05-05T13:00:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> man im glad i basically already WFH before the virus
2021-05-05T13:04:08 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: never called it that but yes haha
2021-05-05T13:04:26 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of schools in this region are
2021-05-05T13:10:25 #kisslinux <mmatongo> what region?
2021-05-05T13:24:06 #kisslinux <acheam> new england
2021-05-05T13:24:07 #kisslinux <acheam> oh he left
2021-05-05T13:39:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> yookay
2021-05-05T13:40:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway, still fighting with eudev and libinput. now the keyboard isn't being detected, even with appropriate xorg configuration sections. fucking fantastic
2021-05-05T13:40:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course, of all devices, my digitizer and touch screen still works. :|
2021-05-05T14:14:04 #kisslinux <acheam> hey kqz
2021-05-05T14:14:08 #kisslinux <acheam> any progress on sourcehut
2021-05-05T14:27:08 #kisslinux <kqz> hey! haven't looked at it in a bit due to day job and busy weekends, but last thing i did was get builds.sr.ht packaged
2021-05-05T14:27:32 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice
2021-05-05T14:27:34 #kisslinux <kqz> should _run_ but you'll need qemu and kvm setup, so next step for me is getting those configured and then updating all the packages to have good example config files installed
2021-05-05T14:27:40 #kisslinux <acheam> are you interested in upstreaming it?
2021-05-05T14:27:48 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah qemu on kiss can be finnicky
2021-05-05T14:28:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Are the projects on sourcehut featured page automatically chosen ?
2021-05-05T14:28:54 #kisslinux <kqz> not sure about upstreaming, at least not yet, my packages are still rather dirty lol but once i have everything configured and a instance up and running and working then maybe
2021-05-05T14:29:10 #kisslinux <kqz> of course if anyone else wants to pluck them from my repo and add to community feel free
2021-05-05T14:29:50 #kisslinux <kqz> though atm you're looking at probably 80 packages if you want the whole suite ;p
2021-05-05T14:31:16 #kisslinux <kqz> still undecided if i want to bundle all the python packages as one meta "sourcehut deps" package
2021-05-05T14:31:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just tell the user to create a python virtualenv and install all the junk in it, source it before running
2021-05-05T14:33:13 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-05-05T14:33:39 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah that could be one option, wonder if there's a way to package a solution like that
2021-05-05T14:34:16 #kisslinux <kqz> all the web frontends are python gunicorn webapps, so will need to be sourced before those run
2021-05-05T14:34:38 #kisslinux <acheam> hopefully python gets eliminated fairly soon from the stack
2021-05-05T14:34:46 #kisslinux <acheam> but it will probably be a few years
2021-05-05T14:35:43 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah i imagine it will take some time to fully replace all those libs
2021-05-05T14:44:06 #kisslinux <kqz> hopefully i can get an instance up and running this weekend to play with, biggest hurdle at this point is finding a bootloader that i can get to build on wyverkiss for my vps lol
2021-05-05T14:46:41 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-05-05T14:46:43 #kisslinux <kernelc> Could anyone help with setuping tinyramfs with luks? I can boot into initramfs but all /dev/sdaX disk are unavailable
2021-05-05T14:46:49 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn might be able to help with that kqz
2021-05-05T14:47:04 #kisslinux <acheam> kernelc: illiliti is your guy for that
2021-05-05T14:47:12 #kisslinux <acheam> but they're not here right now
2021-05-05T14:47:26 #kisslinux <acheam> how have you set it up thus far
2021-05-05T14:47:56 #kisslinux <kernelc> acheam: then I should contant him by email?
2021-05-05T14:48:17 #kisslinux <acheam> sure? I don't know how active he is via email
2021-05-05T14:48:53 #kisslinux <acheam> depends how desperate you are :)
2021-05-05T14:49:29 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah he may have some ideas, may just grab a dedi so i can use efistub, though that's a bit more expensive, will need to take another look at why lilo and syslinux don't want to compile with clang
2021-05-05T14:51:02 #kisslinux <acheam> > a bit more expensive
2021-05-05T14:51:37 #kisslinux <acheam> at the specs that I rent VPSs at dedis are way more expensive
2021-05-05T14:54:08 #kisslinux <kqz> lol yeah it would probably be more like "quite a bit more"
2021-05-05T14:54:42 #kisslinux <kqz> my current provider only starts dedicated at $150/month, so would need to shop around
2021-05-05T16:32:00 #kisslinux <mmatongo> saw your message acheam
2021-05-05T16:33:27 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hey dilyn, I noticed that kiss (pkg mngr) is caching incomplete downloads
2021-05-05T16:33:47 #kisslinux <mmatongo> This is after the recent update
2021-05-05T16:34:48 #kisslinux <mmatongo> anyone else experiencing this or it's just me
2021-05-05T16:35:12 #kisslinux <konimex> mmatongo: confirmed, I can reproduce it
2021-05-05T16:43:21 #kisslinux <mmatongo> any idea why it's doing that kinomex
2021-05-05T16:44:30 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I'm not all that well versed in shell
2021-05-05T16:46:28 #kisslinux <konimex> well we'll need to bisect as I have no idea which commit broke the deletion for incomplete downloads
2021-05-05T17:13:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/compare/master...kiss-community:master#files_bucket
2021-05-05T17:13:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Doesn't look like anything touched the download stuff
2021-05-05T17:35:05 #kisslinux <phoebos> midfavila: do you use claws on kiss?
2021-05-05T17:35:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> As in claws-mail or something else?
2021-05-05T17:35:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> yeh claws-mail
2021-05-05T17:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, I did for a while
2021-05-05T17:35:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Why?
2021-05-05T17:35:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> i've just compiled it but getting a segfault every time it opens the compose window lol
2021-05-05T17:35:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> huh
2021-05-05T17:35:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Weird
2021-05-05T17:35:54 #kisslinux <phoebos> weird :/
2021-05-05T17:36:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me try it on my machine
2021-05-05T17:36:06 #kisslinux <phoebos> thanks
2021-05-05T17:36:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> last I was using it, I didn't have any issues
2021-05-05T17:36:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it from my package?
2021-05-05T17:36:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> eh no but there shouldn't be many differences between our builds
2021-05-05T17:36:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> i put more stuff in it though
2021-05-05T17:37:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what does `gdb /usr/bin/prog` then `backtrace` say ? Could be an issue with another library
2021-05-05T17:37:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's also the matter of your CFLAGS
2021-05-05T17:37:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you doing something like using -O3?
2021-05-05T17:37:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> yeah
2021-05-05T17:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> oof
2021-05-05T17:37:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> oof?
2021-05-05T17:37:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I tend to avoid O3
2021-05-05T17:37:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it can introduce breakage
2021-05-05T17:37:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> but muh performance
2021-05-05T17:38:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> O3 doesn't break anything
2021-05-05T17:38:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lto yeah
2021-05-05T17:38:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> O3 can actually result in stunted performance in some cases...
2021-05-05T17:38:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least going off of my own experiences.
2021-05-05T17:38:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> i'll try.. O2? Os?
2021-05-05T17:38:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> o2 should be fine
2021-05-05T17:42:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is there anything that can be used to achieve ublock like functionality in w3m or lynx or links2 or whatever ?
2021-05-05T17:42:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hosts file ?
2021-05-05T17:42:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> hosts, yeah
2021-05-05T17:43:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a conglomerate of hosts on github that's a good starting point
2021-05-05T17:43:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> blocks a bunch of trackers and ads and stuff.
2021-05-05T17:43:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> i use this: https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts
2021-05-05T17:43:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup, that's it
2021-05-05T17:46:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> re claws: O2 didn't fix it
2021-05-05T17:46:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> Thread 1 "claws-mail" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
2021-05-05T17:46:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> 0x00007ffff7e41ec0 in gtk_toggle_tool_button_set_active () from /lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
2021-05-05T17:47:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> detty gtk
2021-05-05T17:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not exactly experienced with troubleshooting at that level
2021-05-05T17:47:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> my suggestion would be like
2021-05-05T17:47:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> recompile gtk2 or whatever
2021-05-05T17:47:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that might not accomplish anything
2021-05-05T17:47:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> gonna try gtk2 with O2
2021-05-05T17:48:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What are your other flags ? Just march and pipe ?
2021-05-05T17:48:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> also that, yeah
2021-05-05T17:49:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> just got around to compiling claws-mail on my workstation, composing mails works fine
2021-05-05T17:49:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> testuser_[m]: yep
2021-05-05T17:49:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> huh
2021-05-05T17:49:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> fwiw the only thing I compile it with is libetpan
2021-05-05T17:49:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> no perl or anything
2021-05-05T17:50:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's a plugin no?
2021-05-05T17:50:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> surely a plugin is like, not important
2021-05-05T17:50:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> libetpan?
2021-05-05T17:50:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> it provides support for netnews
2021-05-05T17:50:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not critical
2021-05-05T17:51:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> perl
2021-05-05T17:52:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah. well, I'm just mentioning it.
2021-05-05T17:52:26 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-05T17:52:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> stranger things have broken my builds
2021-05-05T17:58:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> hmm
2021-05-05T17:58:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> i turned on the crash debug dialog thingy
2021-05-05T17:59:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> it says another Claws Mail instance is already running
2021-05-05T17:59:06 #kisslinux <phoebos> no its not
2021-05-05T17:59:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> pgrep claws-mail
2021-05-05T17:59:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> nup
2021-05-05T17:59:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-05T18:01:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> fuck it, let's rebuild glib
2021-05-05T18:09:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> any recommendations for my laptop storage?  it supports HDD, M.2 SATA SSD, and M.2 PVIe NVMe
2021-05-05T18:09:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's your main machine?
2021-05-05T18:09:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd get an M.2 SSD and a high-capacity low-RPM hard drive
2021-05-05T18:10:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yes it'd be my main machine
2021-05-05T18:10:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, then I'd stick with what I suggested.
2021-05-05T18:12:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> would the SSD handle anything besides boot partition?
2021-05-05T18:13:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, personally,
2021-05-05T18:13:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use an SSD for stuff that I'm working on *right now*, programs, and small files
2021-05-05T18:13:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> the HDD is for stuff that won't be touched super often, and where access times aren't absolutely critical
2021-05-05T18:13:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g music, movies, photos, whatever
2021-05-05T18:16:53 #kisslinux <phoebos> so i disabled ALL the things
2021-05-05T18:16:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> like all of them
2021-05-05T18:16:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> https://envs.sh/CG.txt
2021-05-05T18:17:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> and now composing works, or at least doesn't segfault
2021-05-05T18:17:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay well
2021-05-05T18:17:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> now i gotta work out what broke it
2021-05-05T18:17:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least now we know it's something in that list that's fixing it
2021-05-05T18:17:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're in for a fun half hour or so :p
2021-05-05T18:17:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol i hope so
2021-05-05T18:19:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's definitely not the plugins
2021-05-05T18:19:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> those wouldn't be running unless you explicitly enabled 'em
2021-05-05T18:20:22 #kisslinux <aarng> why the spinning disk?
2021-05-05T18:20:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> because spinning disks are cheaper and higher-capacity
2021-05-05T18:20:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> any serious workstation should still have one or two.
2021-05-05T18:20:56 #kisslinux <aarng> if ominous_anonymou needs a lot of space, sure
2021-05-05T18:21:05 #kisslinux <aarng> otherwise, I would absolutely not use a spinning disk
2021-05-05T18:21:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's their main machine I assume they will
2021-05-05T18:21:40 #kisslinux <aarng> and even less so in a laptop
2021-05-05T18:22:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> ultimately it's just my opinion. you're free to disagree.
2021-05-05T18:23:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> SSDs are only particularly useful when speed is necessary. good as a boot drive and root disk, otherwise, meh.
2021-05-05T18:23:55 #kisslinux <aarng> I was genuinely curious about your reasoning
2021-05-05T18:24:04 #kisslinux <aarng> but yeah, I disagree
2021-05-05T18:24:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong - in situations where you have *one* disk,
2021-05-05T18:24:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> the obvious answer is an SSD
2021-05-05T18:24:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> my portable machines use exclusively solid state storage
2021-05-05T18:24:40 #kisslinux <aarng> I hate the noise and power consumption
2021-05-05T18:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence low RPM
2021-05-05T18:24:52 #kisslinux <aarng> and if you spin down your disks, the acces time is awful
2021-05-05T18:25:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence store what you're actually working on on an SSD.
2021-05-05T18:25:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was leaning towards /boot and / on the SSD, with /home on the HDD
2021-05-05T18:25:18 #kisslinux <aarng> you will regret that, my 2c
2021-05-05T18:25:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-05T18:25:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not a bad configuration
2021-05-05T18:25:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> with only two disks it's probably the best you can get. unless you wanted to abuse gpt and partitioning
2021-05-05T18:26:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> noooope lol
2021-05-05T18:34:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> hmm
2021-05-05T18:34:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> i've only included stuff i actually need (imap, gnutls) and i can write a message... but it won't send
2021-05-05T18:34:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> it gets the same error about there being another claws instance
2021-05-05T18:36:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh no it worked
2021-05-05T18:36:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's confusing but it works
2021-05-05T18:36:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> :)
2021-05-05T18:45:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> jokes on me the laptop only allows one drive at a time
2021-05-05T18:47:00 #kisslinux <tink> I didn't know anything about nvme, i just knew that my laptop had one and it was an ssd. when i opened my laptop up for the first time, i was trying to identify what's what and didn't know what that small thing which had a tag that said "samsung" and "ssd"
2021-05-05T18:47:25 #kisslinux <tink> apparently they're very small. a 256gb one is like the size of a 1gb ram on my old laptop
2021-05-05T18:48:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep same here, i was confused for a while
2021-05-05T18:55:23 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: Hi, I am trying to setup kiss with tinyramfs and luks, I can boot into initramfs but sda* aren't in /dev/. Do you have idea why?
2021-05-05T18:56:27 #kisslinux <illiliti> i think its related to kernel configuration. are you sure that kernel is configured correctly?
2021-05-05T18:57:10 #kisslinux <kernelc> I used `make defconfig` on kernel 5.11.18
2021-05-05T18:58:01 #kisslinux <kernelc> Do I need any aditional configuration?
2021-05-05T18:59:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> gentoo wiki is good for kernel config options
2021-05-05T18:59:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> i don't know personally
2021-05-05T19:00:01 #kisslinux <illiliti> kernelc: send me ur config
2021-05-05T19:00:32 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: /etc/tinyramfs/config?
2021-05-05T19:01:03 #kisslinux <acheam> probably your kernel .config
2021-05-05T19:01:16 #kisslinux <illiliti> kernelc: and this too
2021-05-05T19:01:29 #kisslinux <illiliti> termbin.com
2021-05-05T19:08:21 #kisslinux <kernelc> https://0x0.st/-BHx.txt
2021-05-05T19:09:22 #kisslinux <illiliti> and your kernel config
2021-05-05T19:10:00 #kisslinux <kernelc> https://0x0.st/-BHY.txt
2021-05-05T19:10:44 #kisslinux <kernelc> ah, I didn't enable 'Crypt target support'
2021-05-05T19:14:10 #kisslinux <acheam> that'd do it
2021-05-05T19:14:39 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/sys-fs/cryptsetup/cryptsetup-2.3.5-r1.ebuild#n51
2021-05-05T19:14:43 #kisslinux <illiliti> DM_CRYPT ~CRYPTO ~CRYPTO_CBC ~CRYPTO_SHA256
2021-05-05T19:14:51 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Dm-crypt
2021-05-05T19:16:32 #kisslinux <illiliti> probably CRYPTO_XTS too
2021-05-05T19:17:29 #kisslinux <illiliti> depends on which type of encryption you use
2021-05-05T19:17:49 #kisslinux <kernelc> okay, thanks I will try
2021-05-05T19:19:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> re claws, the problem is the gpg plugin
2021-05-05T19:20:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> it might be to do with having both gpg1 and gpg2 on my system
2021-05-05T19:20:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> but apart from that claws works fine now
2021-05-05T19:23:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> it mentions the control socket it uses and says there's an i/o timeout on it
2021-05-05T19:24:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> i have no idea what that means
2021-05-05T19:27:57 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: I rebuilt and installed kernel with new config but there is still "failed to lookup partition" error and /dev/vd* are not there :(
2021-05-05T19:28:52 #kisslinux <kernelc> I am using EFISTUB by the way, maybe this causes problems?
2021-05-05T19:42:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> backtrace https://envs.sh/CY.txt
2021-05-05T19:43:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> huzzah
2021-05-05T19:43:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> after an hour or so I've successfully automated the procedure for initializing and connecting to the net with my modem
2021-05-05T19:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> no more shall I have to calculate subnet masks on the fly before I'm reassigned
2021-05-05T20:03:02 #kisslinux <illiliti> kernelc: maybe /dev/vd* are named differently?
2021-05-05T20:03:32 #kisslinux <illiliti> e.g /dev/sda
2021-05-05T20:04:41 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: I don't think so, 'busybox fdisk -l' returns nothing
2021-05-05T20:05:49 #kisslinux <kernelc> I tried everything I had in mind :(
2021-05-05T20:08:23 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: /dev/disk/ is also empty (except /dev/disk/by-label/alpine-std which is alpine live cd)
2021-05-05T20:11:15 #kisslinux <illiliti> kernelc: i guess module that should populate /dev is not loaded. how did you built modules? builtin(=y) or modules(=m) ?
2021-05-05T20:17:13 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: <*> Device mapper support
2021-05-05T20:17:28 #kisslinux <kernelc> As builtin I think
2021-05-05T20:21:56 #kisslinux <illiliti> aside from device mapper driver, you need driver that populates /dev/ with storage devices
2021-05-05T20:22:37 #kisslinux <illiliti> in most cases this is SCSI
2021-05-05T20:22:45 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel/Gentoo_Kernel_Configuration_Guide#SATA_disks_are_SCSI
2021-05-05T20:23:40 #kisslinux <illiliti> also afaik /dev/vd* is paravirtual storage devices
2021-05-05T20:23:50 #kisslinux <illiliti> so you need virtio drivers as well
2021-05-05T20:25:54 #kisslinux <kernelc> All modules from link I have builtin, I am checking virtio drivers now
2021-05-05T20:39:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila KDE circa 2001: https://0x0.st/-BXy.png looks like FVWM
2021-05-05T20:41:40 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: it's working! Thank you for help and sorry for waisting your time. I didn't know that I have to enable these drivers. Sorry one more time
2021-05-05T20:47:35 #kisslinux <illiliti> kernelc: glad to hear!
2021-05-05T20:58:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: very Kool
2021-05-05T21:16:38 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: have you ever run window maker?
2021-05-05T21:26:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck yeah I have
2021-05-05T21:27:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> window maker is the shit dude
2021-05-05T21:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a lot of DEs took heavy inspiration from FVWM back in ye olden times ominous_anonymous
2021-05-05T21:29:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> woo, after today's tweaking my laptop officially boots in less than a second
2021-05-05T21:30:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> put that in red hat's pipe and smoke it
2021-05-05T21:59:41 #kisslinux <kernelc> Do anyone have suggestions for small wayland tiling WM?
2021-05-05T22:02:12 #kisslinux <illiliti> sway is the only way
2021-05-05T22:03:11 #kisslinux <illiliti> everything else is unstable or less developed
2021-05-05T22:03:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> FVWM on Wayland when?
2021-05-05T22:06:46 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: did you tried velox wm? it's used in oasislinux
2021-05-05T22:06:55 #kisslinux <acheam> until there is a good one, I'm can't use Wayland
2021-05-05T22:07:06 #kisslinux <kernelc> I would stick to tty with dvtm but I want to use external monitor
2021-05-05T22:07:12 #kisslinux <acheam> i think dilyn has tried it
2021-05-05T22:07:42 #kisslinux <illiliti> kernelc: velox is very unstable
2021-05-05T22:08:02 #kisslinux <kernelc> ah okay
2021-05-05T22:08:39 #kisslinux <illiliti> i don't recommend using it for daily usage unless you're developing it
2021-05-05T22:09:27 #kisslinux <kubast2> I realized I done something wrong with /etc/profile.d
2021-05-05T22:09:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> ominous_anonymou fvwm on wayland possibly never
2021-05-05T22:09:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's been asked about on the forums before, would have to be almost a total rewrite
2021-05-05T22:11:13 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/12004
2021-05-05T22:11:32 #kisslinux <illiliti> dilyn: working hard on bringing zfs to tinyramfs :)
2021-05-05T22:11:34 #kisslinux <kubast2> 755 are the correct permissions?
2021-05-05T22:11:47 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: why's that? I'd think the config parsing, fvwmscript, logic, etc would be the same
2021-05-05T22:11:58 #kisslinux <acheam> just not the actual putting pixels on the screen
2021-05-05T22:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> you also have to change how it detects and handles positioning of elements
2021-05-05T22:12:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now it uses randr
2021-05-05T22:12:29 #kisslinux <kubast2> I didn't put export on every line
2021-05-05T22:12:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> all of the high level stuff could probably stay the same, but that's not the hard part
2021-05-05T22:14:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, WAV audio is thicc as fuck
2021-05-05T22:15:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> messing around with my mic now that the XLR cable I needed is in, only just realized the size of the files
2021-05-05T22:16:41 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm ya
2021-05-05T22:17:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> five-second 16-bit clip with a 48khz sample is 1.5mb
2021-05-05T22:17:11 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-05-05T22:17:25 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine how much you could fit on a DVD
2021-05-05T22:17:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> bruh indeed
2021-05-05T22:18:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i also realized that I need to return this mic
2021-05-05T22:18:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's fucking t r a s h
2021-05-05T22:39:32 #kisslinux <kubast2> is it possible to move the kiss cache folder to /var/cache/kiss ? or does it just use XDG_CACHE_DIR ?
2021-05-05T22:42:56 #kisslinux <acheam> it uses $XDG_CACHE_HOME
2021-05-05T22:43:11 #kisslinux <kernelc> illiliti: I don't need a lot more than TinyWL
2021-05-05T23:00:13 #kisslinux <kubast2> I can go around it by using a link/bind mount I suppose. I will figure tomorrow some way to build small pxeboot images. I think I will add a dry-run switch tomorrow, after I redo my kiss install.
2021-05-05T23:00:42 #kisslinux <kubast2> tried to see if libgcc is used by anything, so I had to remove gcc lmao
2021-05-05T23:02:02 #kisslinux <acheam> new song word
2021-05-05T23:02:11 #kisslinux <acheam> kubast2: that's the best way to do that :)
2021-05-05T23:04:27 #kisslinux <kubast2> I think I won't need to install, but I will remove gcc and cmake again
2021-05-05T23:04:48 #kisslinux <kubast2> I see
2021-05-05T23:05:45 #kisslinux <kubast2> yeah I excuted all my builds/installs as root so the compiled packages reside in /root/.cache, so running as standard user
2021-05-05T23:05:56 #kisslinux <kubast2> yeah make sense
2021-05-05T23:06:01 #kisslinux <kubast2> wait no
2021-05-05T23:06:34 #kisslinux <kubast2> I am confused how it actually installed back now
2021-05-05T23:07:15 #kisslinux <kubast2> profile.d right
2021-05-05T23:07:20 #kisslinux <kubast2> I didn't reboot since
2021-05-05T23:07:42 #kisslinux <kubast2> one of my shell sessions doesn't have the kiss path var set
2021-05-05T23:16:16 #kisslinux <aarng> uh, I don't think the behavior of `kiss b non-existent` is intended
2021-05-05T23:16:25 #kisslinux <aarng> it does not exit after the first error
2021-05-05T23:18:41 #kisslinux <phoebos> does anyone know a decent color picker for X
2021-05-05T23:19:34 #kisslinux <kubast2> I will toy tomorrow it is 01:18:40
2021-05-05T23:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: I think of you every time I do my latin lol
2021-05-05T23:26:12 #kisslinux <acheam> do you mean like an eyedropper or a color wheel or what?
2021-05-05T23:26:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> i'm in your headddd
2021-05-05T23:26:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> something i can use to find eg. the hex code for a color on my screen
2021-05-05T23:26:48 #kisslinux <acheam> oh an eyedropper
2021-05-05T23:27:22 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/Jack12816/colorpicker
2021-05-05T23:27:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> illiliti: btw, while in my own code I always use printf, echo uses that don't start with variables should be fine and don't need to be switched, because there's no way for a -[neE] to show up before the literal string part
2021-05-05T23:28:51 #kisslinux <acheam> actually this fork seems better https://github.com/i5o/colorpicker
2021-05-05T23:29:07 #kisslinux <acheam> it copies the color to the clipboard
2021-05-05T23:30:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: thanks, perfect
2021-05-05T23:31:14 #kisslinux <acheam> its writen in GTK+ btw
2021-05-05T23:31:14 #kisslinux <phoebos> god css is awful
2021-05-05T23:31:19 #kisslinux <acheam> so just be aware of that
2021-05-05T23:31:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> illiliti: also since the variables in the func aren't used elsewhere and are always set at the beginning, I don't think the subshell is needed, it shouldn't be a problem for the script as is that the vars aren't local, and subshell makes it slower
2021-05-05T23:31:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> wut why
2021-05-05T23:32:05 #kisslinux <acheam> it might be easy to port to gtk3
2021-05-05T23:32:06 #kisslinux <acheam> idk
2021-05-05T23:32:19 #kisslinux <acheam> let me give it a shot I feel like procrastinating
2021-05-05T23:33:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> i've got me some gtk+2 but why does it need a gui toolkit anyway
2021-05-05T23:33:52 #kisslinux <acheam> it doesnt draw a gui but it uses it to do the actuall xorg work
2021-05-05T23:33:54 #kisslinux <acheam> AFAICT
2021-05-05T23:34:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> hm
2021-05-05T23:34:13 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh this won't be easy to convert to GTK3
2021-05-05T23:34:31 #kisslinux <acheam> on account of the fact that GdkDrawable is gone
2021-05-05T23:34:37 #kisslinux <acheam> and thats what the whole program is build around
2021-05-05T23:34:38 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-05T23:34:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> oof
2021-05-05T23:35:16 #kisslinux <acheam> here is a good one
2021-05-05T23:35:17 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/sdushantha/farge
2021-05-05T23:35:24 #kisslinux <acheam> but written in bash
2021-05-05T23:35:25 #kisslinux <acheam> so....
2021-05-05T23:35:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> it works so
2021-05-05T23:35:40 #kisslinux <acheam> well idk if you have bash
2021-05-05T23:35:54 #kisslinux <phoebos> the gtk2 one works
2021-05-05T23:35:59 #kisslinux <acheam> oh wait
2021-05-05T23:36:00 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/ym1234/colorpicker
2021-05-05T23:36:02 #kisslinux <acheam> here
2021-05-05T23:36:14 #kisslinux <acheam> derived from the first one I sent but without GTK+
2021-05-05T23:36:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-05-05T23:36:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> nicest
2021-05-05T23:36:38 #kisslinux <acheam> no nicer?
2021-05-05T23:36:55 #kisslinux <acheam> lmk if you package it
2021-05-05T23:36:59 #kisslinux <acheam> it wouldnt be hard
2021-05-05T23:37:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's a nice program
2021-05-05T23:38:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> 100 lines of C, even default prefix is /usr
2021-05-05T23:38:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> MIT
2021-05-05T23:39:31 #kisslinux <acheam> hnnng
2021-05-05T23:39:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> 3 runtime deps lol
2021-05-05T23:40:08 #kisslinux <acheam> xlib?
2021-05-05T23:40:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> libX11, libXau, libxcb
2021-05-05T23:40:31 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-05-05T23:40:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> still feels too much
2021-05-05T23:41:03 #kisslinux <acheam> what can be removed?
2021-05-05T23:41:08 #kisslinux <phoebos> not that I know, um, anything about how colors work in X
2021-05-05T23:41:20 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't think anything can be reduced?
2021-05-05T23:41:23 #kisslinux <acheam> but what do I know
2021-05-05T23:41:53 #kisslinux <phoebos> probably not
2021-05-05T23:42:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> just that reading a color needs 3 libs seems a lot
2021-05-05T23:42:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> wait I only see libx11 as a dep there?
2021-05-05T23:42:50 #kisslinux <E5ten> it definitely doesn't use xcb, although that'd be indirectly depended on by libx11
2021-05-05T23:43:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> I also don't see anything related to libxau in it
2021-05-05T23:43:36 #kisslinux <acheam> can it get access to the screen without libxau?
2021-05-05T23:43:41 #kisslinux <phoebos> mebbe those are from libX11
2021-05-05T23:43:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> i just ldd'd it
2021-05-05T23:44:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> the #includes and the Makefile only seem to relate to libx11 itself, I think the other 2 are only indirect deps through libx11
2021-05-05T23:44:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> makes sense
2021-05-05T23:44:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> i feel better now
2021-05-05T23:45:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> could be standard C + libx11 instead of POSIX + libx11 if it used like suckless arg.h or something instead of getopt :>)
2021-05-05T23:49:05 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-05-05T23:49:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> i've completed the mammoth task of packaging it. phew
2021-05-05T23:49:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> https://github.com/ym1234/colorpicker
2021-05-05T23:49:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> oops not that
2021-05-05T23:49:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> https://github.com/aabacchus/kiss-repo/tree/main/colorpicker
2021-05-05T23:49:30 #kisslinux <acheam> hi riteo
2021-05-05T23:49:42 #kisslinux <acheam> woah that build file must have taken you forever
2021-05-05T23:50:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> could even drop the first make line because the install target depends on the default target lol
2021-05-05T23:50:30 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh phoebos what did you do with your git repo
2021-05-05T23:50:53 #kisslinux <phoebos> probably something criminal
2021-05-05T23:50:56 #kisslinux <acheam> its making me do some weird merge thing just to pull
2021-05-05T23:51:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> oop have you cloned it
2021-05-05T23:51:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-05T23:51:19 #kisslinux <acheam> but you must have force pushed or smthng
2021-05-05T23:51:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol i didn't expect anyone to
2021-05-05T23:51:22 #kisslinux <illiliti> E5ten: will do
2021-05-05T23:51:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> yep i did a git push --force
2021-05-05T23:51:33 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-05-05T23:51:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> soz
2021-05-05T23:52:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> wonder if i can alter the history to get rid of that merge
2021-05-05T23:52:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> make it all flat
2021-05-05T23:52:14 #kisslinux <acheam> not worth it
2021-05-05T23:52:24 #kisslinux <acheam> because you'd upset everyone who is currently on main
2021-05-05T23:52:33 #kisslinux <acheam> and only help people who are behind the bad commit
2021-05-05T23:52:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> "everyone" (you)
2021-05-05T23:52:37 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-05T23:52:45 #kisslinux <acheam> its a good repo!
2021-05-05T23:52:52 #kisslinux <illiliti> E5ten: i think it's better to keep printf in add_after() func to avoid possible issues with options
2021-05-05T23:52:54 #kisslinux <acheam> im sure lots of people have it
2021-05-05T23:53:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> thanks!
2021-05-05T23:53:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> illiliti: yeah the echo thing was just a note so you could do less changes if you were doing a similar thing in the future, it has no downsides so the the subshell thing is the only part actually worth changing
2021-05-05T23:53:21 #kisslinux <acheam> for brightnessctl, colorpicker, picom, xmenu, etc
2021-05-05T23:53:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> all the things
2021-05-05T23:53:34 #kisslinux <acheam> the best things
2021-05-05T23:53:51 #kisslinux * phoebos blushes
2021-05-05T23:53:55 #kisslinux <acheam> heyo i'm a 4% contributor
2021-05-05T23:54:21 #kisslinux <illiliti> E5ten: ok
2021-05-05T23:54:22 #kisslinux <acheam> according to git summary --line, I have contributed 2 lines, and 4% of the total commits
2021-05-05T23:54:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmao was that your gpg key
2021-05-05T23:54:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> i didn't actually `git am` it right
2021-05-05T23:54:56 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense because then it would be more than 2 lines
2021-05-05T23:54:59 #kisslinux <acheam> how dare you
2021-05-05T23:55:07 #kisslinux <acheam> actually
2021-05-05T23:55:10 #kisslinux <acheam> it shows up fine here
2021-05-05T23:55:14 #kisslinux <phoebos> i was young and ignorant
2021-05-05T23:55:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh does it
2021-05-05T23:55:19 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/CN.txt
2021-05-05T23:55:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> huh
2021-05-05T23:55:38 #kisslinux <acheam> thats the git log of armaan-bhojwani.txt
2021-05-05T23:55:48 #kisslinux <acheam> and its committed by me
2021-05-05T23:56:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> nah mine shows i did it
2021-05-05T23:56:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> probably cos that's your clone where you committed
2021-05-05T23:56:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I thought I worked on another branch
2021-05-05T23:56:45 #kisslinux <acheam> weird