2021-05-18T00:00:03 #kisslinux <acheam> thats still not the full thing, its possible there are other things in the build log which explain those errors, although it is at least a little telling
2021-05-18T00:00:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> dun dun duunnnnnn
2021-05-18T00:00:25 #kisslinux <acheam> you can tee the output of the build into a file if its easier
2021-05-18T00:00:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> try disabling dtls in the qt5 configure step
2021-05-18T00:01:00 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: is this some openssl thing?
2021-05-18T00:01:02 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> how do I do that?
2021-05-18T00:01:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-05-18T00:01:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll take a look jason but it should be something like -no-dtls
2021-05-18T00:03:05 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Is there any easier way to get kde installed?
2021-05-18T00:03:34 #kisslinux <acheam> this is the best way
2021-05-18T00:03:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> holy shit kde's invent server is absolute garbage. it's gonna take me a decade to download this
2021-05-18T00:03:44 #kisslinux <acheam> unless you want to repeat all of dilyns work
2021-05-18T00:03:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could start completely from scratch and use a kiss-kde release tarball :v
2021-05-18T00:04:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> but when you do a `kiss u` you will run into the same error
2021-05-18T00:04:38 #kisslinux <acheam> just never run `kiss u`
2021-05-18T00:04:41 #kisslinux <acheam> problem solved
2021-05-18T00:04:44 #kisslinux <acheam> big brain moves
2021-05-18T00:05:11 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: https://i.imgur.com/4hTeXMo.png
2021-05-18T00:05:13 #kisslinux <acheam> this seems outdated
2021-05-18T00:05:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's how I announce I've left
2021-05-18T00:05:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> kappa
2021-05-18T00:05:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> everything I use is now very outdated lol
2021-05-18T00:06:13 #kisslinux <acheam> :o
2021-05-18T00:06:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> :OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2021-05-18T00:06:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> :B
2021-05-18T00:06:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> BD
2021-05-18T00:06:58 #kisslinux <acheam> when he leaves without having added anyone else to the domain :(
2021-05-18T00:07:14 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Should I be getting all these errors when building kde?
2021-05-18T00:17:39 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> This is not a good first experience with this distro. Try to install kde but get so many errors
2021-05-18T00:18:26 #kisslinux <acheam> kde isn't part of the distribution
2021-05-18T00:18:54 #kisslinux <acheam> the only packages that are really part of the distrobution are those in https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main
2021-05-18T00:21:22 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Is there anything related to desktop environment / window manager in the official repos?
2021-05-18T00:21:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you considered
2021-05-18T00:21:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe
2021-05-18T00:21:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> looking?
2021-05-18T00:21:43 #kisslinux <acheam> TWM should be built into xorg
2021-05-18T00:21:47 #kisslinux <acheam> i think
2021-05-18T00:21:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> twm isn't built into xorg
2021-05-18T00:21:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's seperate
2021-05-18T00:21:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> there's a couple of window managers in the community and main repos
2021-05-18T00:22:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> sowm, xwm, berry, bspwm, 2bwm
2021-05-18T00:22:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> twm is based though
2021-05-18T00:22:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll give it that
2021-05-18T00:22:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> a shame it isn't configured via xresources
2021-05-18T00:22:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> ye
2021-05-18T00:22:58 #kisslinux <acheam> sowm is your best bet probably because its in main
2021-05-18T00:22:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the answer to this is clearly to rewrite twm using xaw
2021-05-18T00:23:01 #kisslinux <acheam> but all of those should work
2021-05-18T00:23:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of twm
2021-05-18T00:23:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's shockingly useable with a tablet
2021-05-18T00:23:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> usable
2021-05-18T00:23:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> w/e
2021-05-18T00:23:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah?
2021-05-18T00:23:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah dude
2021-05-18T00:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use ctwm on my tablet pc a lot
2021-05-18T00:23:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> dope
2021-05-18T00:23:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> claude's tom's window manager
2021-05-18T00:23:57 #kisslinux <zola> How do i submit a package?
2021-05-18T00:24:18 #kisslinux <acheam> zola: you can do it via a Github PR or via an email, whichever you are more comfortable with
2021-05-18T00:24:42 #kisslinux <acheam> if you want to do it via github, follow the instructions here: https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-community
2021-05-18T00:25:06 #kisslinux <acheam> if you want to do it via email, follow the instructions here: https://git-send-email.io/, and send the email to community⊙ko
2021-05-18T00:25:27 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila's claude's tom's window manager
2021-05-18T00:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> mcvtwm
2021-05-18T00:26:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> mid's claude's virtual tom's window manager
2021-05-18T00:26:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I should get around to adding KISS to git-send-email.io
2021-05-18T00:26:20 #kisslinux <zola> Is it the same for submiting to repo/extra
2021-05-18T00:26:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah, the main branch of repos isn't touchable
2021-05-18T00:26:52 #kisslinux <acheam> repo/extra is only for packages essential to the system
2021-05-18T00:26:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-05-18T00:26:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, I don't know what I would even do if I wrote a window manager
2021-05-18T00:27:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> i tried my hand at porting catwm into xcb under a new name
2021-05-18T00:27:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> but gave up
2021-05-18T00:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> well like
2021-05-18T00:27:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz i found ones that did what i wanted
2021-05-18T00:27:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just... fvwm is practically perfect for me
2021-05-18T00:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> doubly so, now that tabs will be a thing soon
2021-05-18T00:27:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> if anything I'd just hack on FVWM's code a lot
2021-05-18T00:28:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao cleaning folk next door are having a blast singing
2021-05-18T00:28:21 #kisslinux <zola> Does exfatprogs fall into essential to the system category?
2021-05-18T00:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you use exfat a lot, probably
2021-05-18T00:29:06 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe maybe not
2021-05-18T00:29:14 #kisslinux <acheam> btrfs-progs is in community
2021-05-18T00:29:17 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn
2021-05-18T00:29:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: if I am not mistake, kiss's default git build doesn't come with perl, so no git send-email by default
2021-05-18T00:29:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: what would you write for git-send-email.io, since it needs git with perl support
2021-05-18T00:29:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol
2021-05-18T00:29:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahaha
2021-05-18T00:29:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what timing
2021-05-18T00:30:09 #kisslinux <acheam> well i'd give instructions on how to build it with perl
2021-05-18T00:30:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> tbf tho, there's a high chance perl is gonna be built as a dependancy to something after install
2021-05-18T00:30:28 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-05-18T00:30:28 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> So I have to use an unofficial desktop environment or a tilling window manager in the official repos
2021-05-18T00:30:38 #kisslinux <acheam> jason123santa[m]: sowm is a floating window manager
2021-05-18T00:30:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> you still have to fork the package
2021-05-18T00:30:50 #kisslinux <acheam> and its the only window manager in the main repo
2021-05-18T00:30:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> most of the WMs in the repos are floating/stacking
2021-05-18T00:31:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> or use msmtp?
2021-05-18T00:31:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> exfatprogs? hrng
2021-05-18T00:31:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> because tiling is CRINGE
2021-05-18T00:31:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> why
2021-05-18T00:31:15 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I like something like openbox better
2021-05-18T00:31:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i use msmtp with git-send-email
2021-05-18T00:31:25 #kisslinux <acheam> that helps a bit
2021-05-18T00:31:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> me too
2021-05-18T00:31:34 #kisslinux <acheam> but isn't the part that formats it still perl?
2021-05-18T00:31:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah mebbe
2021-05-18T00:31:59 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I don't like window managers that are controlled with the keyboard
2021-05-18T00:32:05 #kisslinux <noocsharp> and the whole send-email program is perl
2021-05-18T00:32:09 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-05-18T00:33:08 #kisslinux <phoebos> what about git-format-patch
2021-05-18T00:34:01 #kisslinux <acheam> that doesn't configure email headers and stuff
2021-05-18T00:34:26 #kisslinux <acheam> btw this exists: https://git.sr.ht/~yoctocell/git-email/tree
2021-05-18T00:34:30 #kisslinux <acheam> but its for emacs
2021-05-18T00:34:54 #kisslinux <acheam> honestly you could probably write something in posix sh
2021-05-18T00:35:10 #kisslinux <acheam> that just tacks on the email headers and stuff to the output of git format-patch
2021-05-18T00:35:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its been on my ideas list for many months
2021-05-18T00:36:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> what headers do you actually need
2021-05-18T00:37:06 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Are there any mouse controlled window managers in the main repos?
2021-05-18T00:37:08 #kisslinux <phoebos> apart from when you're like sending a v2
2021-05-18T00:37:12 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> ccan not seem to find one
2021-05-18T00:37:16 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> can*
2021-05-18T00:37:25 #kisslinux <acheam> sowm
2021-05-18T00:37:37 #kisslinux <acheam> kind of
2021-05-18T00:37:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> you can use a mouse for most wms
2021-05-18T00:37:52 #kisslinux <acheam> its a mix, but you can use only mouse if you choose
2021-05-18T00:38:33 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I think some window managers are keyboard controlled
2021-05-18T00:38:37 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> like dwm or i3
2021-05-18T00:38:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> nyaa
2021-05-18T00:39:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what would you consider a mouse controlled window manager?
2021-05-18T00:39:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> UDE
2021-05-18T00:39:40 #kisslinux <acheam> dwm and i3 can both easily be used via mouse control
2021-05-18T00:39:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> ^
2021-05-18T00:39:52 #kisslinux <acheam> dwm makes a great floating window manager actually
2021-05-18T00:40:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> 9wm is better
2021-05-18T00:40:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least if you want a mouse-focused wm
2021-05-18T00:40:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-05-18T00:40:50 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I could say something like openbox is mostly mouse controlled
2021-05-18T00:40:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> although it could stand to be a little closer to rio...
2021-05-18T00:41:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i think thats an issue with linux vs plan9 tho
2021-05-18T00:41:12 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-05-18T00:41:21 #kisslinux <acheam> wio wio wio
2021-05-18T00:41:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> rio is surely the most "mouse-controlled"
2021-05-18T00:41:43 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> or flwm
2021-05-18T00:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait, is there a proper rio implementation for X?
2021-05-18T00:42:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> nope
2021-05-18T00:42:18 #kisslinux <acheam> not that im aware of
2021-05-18T00:42:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> 9wm is the closest
2021-05-18T00:42:24 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~goleo/wio is good for wayland though
2021-05-18T00:42:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> wayland is t r a s h
2021-05-18T00:42:32 #kisslinux <acheam> note the forked upstream
2021-05-18T00:42:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> im not a big fan of wio
2021-05-18T00:43:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> wow a fltk-based wm
2021-05-18T00:43:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> running cage for each window feels very hacky
2021-05-18T00:43:27 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> sowm loos nice but I think if its mouse controlled there is still mostly keyboard used
2021-05-18T00:43:32 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> looks*
2021-05-18T00:43:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if you don't like whats packaged, package one yourself
2021-05-18T00:44:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thats one of the strengths of kiss, its very easy to package things
2021-05-18T00:45:15 #kisslinux <acheam> zola: did you see the answer to your questoin above?
2021-05-18T00:45:36 #kisslinux <zola> no
2021-05-18T00:45:41 #kisslinux <zola> what did it say
2021-05-18T00:45:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> check the logs
2021-05-18T00:46:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux
2021-05-18T00:46:37 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn just asked why
2021-05-18T00:46:54 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its better in community tbh, but i'm not the bdfl
2021-05-18T00:47:10 #kisslinux <acheam> keep in mind things in main are maintained by the bdfl, not by seperate maintainers
2021-05-18T00:48:09 #kisslinux <zola> I saw e2fsprogs, dosfstools and xfsprogs in the main repo, just tought this might belong, but since btfs is in community maybe you are right
2021-05-18T00:48:20 #kisslinux <zola> * btrfs
2021-05-18T00:53:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-18T00:53:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder how difficult writing an IRC client is
2021-05-18T00:53:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't imagine the basics are terribly hard...
2021-05-18T00:53:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> cant be hard
2021-05-18T00:54:10 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, https://gist.githubusercontent.com/vivien/3b1c2efb80f3f3dde001/raw/cec88077cddeb717bd71461aafd303f72923e597/irccat
2021-05-18T00:54:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it would be nice to have soctware to actively tinker on
2021-05-18T00:54:41 #kisslinux <acheam> LOL they licensed that 520 byte segment GPL3
2021-05-18T00:54:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-05-18T00:55:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh eyepee
2021-05-18T00:55:27 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> Greetings!
2021-05-18T00:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, at least it works
2021-05-18T00:55:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's cool
2021-05-18T00:55:54 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> Greetings!
2021-05-18T00:55:54 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> hi
2021-05-18T00:56:12 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> Greetings!
2021-05-18T00:56:16 #kisslinux <acheam> oh whoops
2021-05-18T00:56:18 #kisslinux <acheam> didn't mean to spawm
2021-05-18T00:56:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's too late
2021-05-18T00:56:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> your infraction has been reported
2021-05-18T00:56:32 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> testthe spam is inevitable
2021-05-18T00:56:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> federal agents have been dispatched to your location
2021-05-18T00:56:40 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> oh no
2021-05-18T00:56:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> prepare to be black-bagged
2021-05-18T00:56:55 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> actually this is kind of comfy
2021-05-18T00:57:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao yeah?
2021-05-18T00:57:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> post screenshot
2021-05-18T00:57:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will be the judge of comfiness
2021-05-18T00:57:22 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> that was only partly a joke
2021-05-18T00:57:29 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> its just missing the nicks
2021-05-18T00:57:30 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> https://i.imgur.com/b6M45CU.png
2021-05-18T00:57:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-05-18T00:57:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> nicks are kind of important
2021-05-18T00:57:48 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> sorry, who is that?
2021-05-18T00:57:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> mid
2021-05-18T00:58:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmaaooo
2021-05-18T00:58:04 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> no thats definitely necromancy pulling a trick on me
2021-05-18T00:58:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahaha
2021-05-18T00:58:26 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-05-18T00:58:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> could be
2021-05-18T00:58:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i guess it works in the most dire of situations
2021-05-18T00:58:47 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> if all you have is netcat
2021-05-18T00:59:09 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> I wonder how hard nick support would be
2021-05-18T00:59:11 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> because with that
2021-05-18T00:59:18 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> I could unironically use this
2021-05-18T00:59:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it would still be ass
2021-05-18T00:59:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-05-18T00:59:39 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> my whole system is ass
2021-05-18T00:59:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> install gentoo
2021-05-18T01:00:08 #kisslinux <phoebos> > puke
2021-05-18T01:00:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-05-18T01:00:28 #kisslinux <phoebos-irccat> Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:00:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:C
2021-05-18T01:00:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you're going to suffer like this just use jj
2021-05-18T01:00:43 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> how many lines is jj
2021-05-18T01:00:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> -5
2021-05-18T01:00:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> awk has no sloc
2021-05-18T01:01:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-05-18T01:01:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you telling me
2021-05-18T01:01:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> ii is written in awk
2021-05-18T01:01:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> oop it worked
2021-05-18T01:01:23 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> ii is 12kb
2021-05-18T01:01:31 #kisslinux <phoebos-irccat> Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:01:38 #kisslinux <phoebos-irccat> it's a bit slow
2021-05-18T01:01:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> C e a s e
2021-05-18T01:01:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahahah
2021-05-18T01:01:48 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> ooh sooh sic is just 250 sloc
2021-05-18T01:01:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> mids getting upset
2021-05-18T01:01:52 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> https://tools.suckless.org/sic/
2021-05-18T01:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I am extremely triggered right now
2021-05-18T01:02:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need my safe space
2021-05-18T01:02:03 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> midfavila: you know you want to
2021-05-18T01:02:04 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> join us
2021-05-18T01:02:08 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> run GPL software
2021-05-18T01:02:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn where are my puppies and cupcakes
2021-05-18T01:02:09 #kisslinux <phoebos-irccat> comee
2021-05-18T01:02:28 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> /me is definately not checking his other IRC window to see who is saying what
2021-05-18T01:02:32 #kisslinux <phoebos-irccat> ig irc is a very simple protocol
2021-05-18T01:02:37 #kisslinux <phoebos-irccat> me neither lol
2021-05-18T01:02:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-05-18T01:02:44 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> ACTION me is not doing that
2021-05-18T01:02:47 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> uh
2021-05-18T01:02:51 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> guess I can't send actions
2021-05-18T01:02:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's literally just "how to throw ascii across the net"
2021-05-18T01:03:04 #kisslinux <phoebos-irccat> *yeet*
2021-05-18T01:03:08 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> yeet the bytes
2021-05-18T01:03:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop
2021-05-18T01:03:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is cursed
2021-05-18T01:03:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a bunch of awk scripts written in a cuck license mid, save yourself
2021-05-18T01:03:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll fucking leave
2021-05-18T01:03:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is too much for me to handle
2021-05-18T01:03:22 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> but i love awk
2021-05-18T01:03:29 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> noo phoebos
2021-05-18T01:03:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-05-18T01:03:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> why does it say punt! when it quits
2021-05-18T01:03:45 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> punt!
2021-05-18T01:03:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> the glowies got phoebos
2021-05-18T01:03:57 #kisslinux <acheam> it didn't say punt to me
2021-05-18T01:04:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> the unpuntable
2021-05-18T01:04:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> how did you close it
2021-05-18T01:04:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> i ^C'd
2021-05-18T01:04:15 #kisslinux <acheam> same
2021-05-18T01:04:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> >the unpuntable
2021-05-18T01:04:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-05-18T01:04:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> tyty
2021-05-18T01:04:29 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:04:30 #kisslinux <acheam-irccat> punt
2021-05-18T01:04:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah, qt5 finally downloaded
2021-05-18T01:04:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> ffs
2021-05-18T01:04:41 #kisslinux <acheam> why does it say greeting omfg
2021-05-18T01:04:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:04:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:04:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:04:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:04:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:05:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> PRIVMSG $CHAN :Greetings!
2021-05-18T01:05:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> why wouldn't you want your irc client to do the talking for you
2021-05-18T01:05:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> write a chatbot and connect it to your account
2021-05-18T01:06:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wish I could manually specify the size of widgets in FVWM
2021-05-18T01:06:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> jason: can confirm, adding -no-dtls disables dtls for qt5
2021-05-18T01:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> now I have to look into what this potentially breaks, and if it's absolutely awful I'll have to modify our libressl patches to work around this
2021-05-18T01:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn when will you just install window maker
2021-05-18T01:06:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> libressl *has* dtls, it's just probably slightly different. would require a small bit of rewriting + an ifdef
2021-05-18T01:06:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> When I install windows
2021-05-18T01:07:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just installed ubuntu, so it could be any day now
2021-05-18T01:07:10 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like it only supports an older dtls
2021-05-18T01:07:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-05-18T01:07:29 #kisslinux <acheam> thats on-message for libressl lol
2021-05-18T01:07:36 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: for webcam?
2021-05-18T01:07:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-05-18T01:07:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> the webcam works great tho!
2021-05-18T01:08:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> sure
2021-05-18T01:08:05 #kisslinux <acheam> hi illiliti
2021-05-18T01:08:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> but the fan spins up to a hundred so I need a different mic
2021-05-18T01:08:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's running zfs tho so that's pretty cute
2021-05-18T01:08:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you considered, perhaps
2021-05-18T01:08:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> getting better fans
2021-05-18T01:08:36 #kisslinux <illiliti> hello
2021-05-18T01:08:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> haha fan go brrr
2021-05-18T01:08:45 #kisslinux <acheam> so whats better, kiss or ubuntu
2021-05-18T01:08:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> kissbuntu
2021-05-18T01:08:57 #kisslinux <acheam> ive never actually used ubuntu so maybe i've been misudging it all this while
2021-05-18T01:09:05 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: tbf i'm using kissarch lol
2021-05-18T01:09:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ubuntu is garbage
2021-05-18T01:09:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> you definitely havent
2021-05-18T01:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used it the other day
2021-05-18T01:09:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> as a rescue disk
2021-05-18T01:09:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I couldn't get hold of puppy
2021-05-18T01:09:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> worst
2021-05-18T01:09:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> decision
2021-05-18T01:09:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> ever
2021-05-18T01:09:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> I accidentally opened the Activities menu in Gnome and couldn't figure out how to close it
2021-05-18T01:09:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> LMFAO
2021-05-18T01:09:30 #kisslinux <acheam> escape?
2021-05-18T01:09:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> Googled how to do it on my computer, all the answers were 'restart your computer'
2021-05-18T01:09:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> no common-sense keybinds would work!
2021-05-18T01:09:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-05-18T01:09:45 #kisslinux <acheam> WONTFIX NOT_OUR_BUG
2021-05-18T01:09:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> I looked up the keybindings, nothing
2021-05-18T01:09:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao right.
2021-05-18T01:09:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the gnome experience for you
2021-05-18T01:09:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> so gnome is trash. but otherwise, it works super nicely
2021-05-18T01:10:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i dunno
2021-05-18T01:10:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> aside from draining my battery to zero in about twenty minutes
2021-05-18T01:10:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> the fact that they split packages up in weird ways...
2021-05-18T01:10:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a pain
2021-05-18T01:10:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> out of the box, bad experience on a laptop. To be expected tho
2021-05-18T01:10:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-05-18T01:10:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> they include like 4gb of shit
2021-05-18T01:10:30 #kisslinux <acheam> THe package splitting is nice
2021-05-18T01:10:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> also yes. I hate distributions that break up packages into regular and devel
2021-05-18T01:10:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> yet don't have space for basic dev tools
2021-05-18T01:10:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-05-18T01:10:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck are you even putting in your 2-4gb ISOs
2021-05-18T01:10:50 #kisslinux <acheam> but why carry around header files and crap
2021-05-18T01:10:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> my favorite part was when I opted for the minimal install and was wondering why it was taking so long
2021-05-18T01:10:54 #kisslinux <acheam> when you never need them
2021-05-18T01:10:59 #kisslinux <acheam> on ubuntu
2021-05-18T01:11:05 #kisslinux <phoebos> ^
2021-05-18T01:11:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> but
2021-05-18T01:11:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's because they were uninstalling all the things from the installed system that don't come with a minimal install :v
2021-05-18T01:11:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i literally needed them
2021-05-18T01:11:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> within five minutes of booting
2021-05-18T01:11:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> so they install a full system, and then trim. lmfao wut
2021-05-18T01:11:15 #kisslinux <acheam> then install the devel package?
2021-05-18T01:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's you, mid
2021-05-18T01:11:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah yes
2021-05-18T01:11:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me spend
2021-05-18T01:11:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> half a fucking hour
2021-05-18T01:11:26 #kisslinux <acheam> you probably don't need the development files for every single package
2021-05-18T01:11:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> finding what weird goddamn name they filed it under
2021-05-18T01:11:40 #kisslinux <acheam> and 99% of people don't need it at all
2021-05-18T01:11:43 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: apt-file
2021-05-18T01:11:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay
2021-05-18T01:11:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> then
2021-05-18T01:11:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-05-18T01:11:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> question
2021-05-18T01:11:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> ubuntu isn't for *us* lmfao
2021-05-18T01:11:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> if we're judging based on the majority,
2021-05-18T01:11:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> why do they include things like a virtual keyboard
2021-05-18T01:12:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> because accessibility is important
2021-05-18T01:12:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> why include anything beyond dash
2021-05-18T01:12:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> why include a terminal
2021-05-18T01:12:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> or maybe you don't have a physical keyboard, period
2021-05-18T01:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-05-18T01:12:16 #kisslinux <acheam> because the majority need bash?
2021-05-18T01:12:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> wtf lmao
2021-05-18T01:12:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a terrible argument
2021-05-18T01:12:22 #kisslinux <acheam> your logic makes 0 sense
2021-05-18T01:12:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbf if they cared about the majority they would default to chromium, not firefox
2021-05-18T01:12:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> checkmate
2021-05-18T01:12:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> my point is that the "99% will never need X" is easily applied to almost anything else that isn't a GUI program
2021-05-18T01:12:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> it isn't lmfao
2021-05-18T01:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> it totally is.
2021-05-18T01:13:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> hard disagree
2021-05-18T01:13:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> headers are something that arguably few people would ever need
2021-05-18T01:13:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is like, a self-evident fact.
2021-05-18T01:14:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> compiling is a very different thing to using a new paint program or whatever
2021-05-18T01:14:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-05-18T01:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> my original point was that they include multiple gigs of random crap that most people never use.
2021-05-18T01:14:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering the appstore is all snaps now anyways...
2021-05-18T01:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> if they were consistent with that, it would be whatever
2021-05-18T01:14:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-18T01:14:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean that's just a bad argument
2021-05-18T01:15:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it wasn't really an argument, it was a statement
2021-05-18T01:15:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> because nobody looks at a collection of header files and says 'oh, I might use these', but people DO look at krita and think "hm, that seems fun..."
2021-05-18T01:15:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's no salient difference between the two /shrug
2021-05-18T01:15:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> why say something if you don't believe it to be convincing kekw
2021-05-18T01:15:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> w/e dude
2021-05-18T01:15:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> time for dinner!
2021-05-18T01:16:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> tbf, du -sh /usr/include is under 300 MB
2021-05-18T01:16:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: eating early today I see
2021-05-18T01:16:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> like,
2021-05-18T01:16:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's the thing
2021-05-18T01:16:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least include core development headers.
2021-05-18T01:16:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a basic toolchain
2021-05-18T01:17:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's barely anything compared to all the other crap they include.
2021-05-18T01:17:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> it is kinda weird that some distros don't come with a c compiler
2021-05-18T01:17:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> most.
2021-05-18T01:17:29 #kisslinux <acheam> theres a meta package with all that
2021-05-18T01:17:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay
2021-05-18T01:17:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> but
2021-05-18T01:17:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> why do you include three DEs
2021-05-18T01:17:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> two DMs
2021-05-18T01:17:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> two display servers
2021-05-18T01:17:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> and all this other shit
2021-05-18T01:18:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yet
2021-05-18T01:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't include basic development tools.
2021-05-18T01:18:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, come on.
2021-05-18T01:18:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> most people don't code :/
2021-05-18T01:18:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> most people don't care about their DE or DM either
2021-05-18T01:18:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> eh
2021-05-18T01:19:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I just want it to look like Windows/Mac"
2021-05-18T01:19:14 #kisslinux <phoebos> question: how big do you let your ccache get
2021-05-18T01:19:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> people like choice even if its a choice based on ignorance
2021-05-18T01:19:20 #kisslinux <acheam> big
2021-05-18T01:19:27 #kisslinux <acheam> im not low on disk space
2021-05-18T01:19:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i actually don't even think I use a ccache
2021-05-18T01:19:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't looked into it at all
2021-05-18T01:20:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> hmm. i have an urge to get rid of it just to use less space but it's *so* useful
2021-05-18T01:20:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> currently at 4.2 G
2021-05-18T01:20:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> jenkies
2021-05-18T01:20:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's larger than my entire system, I think.
2021-05-18T01:21:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> ...exactly.
2021-05-18T01:21:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> there's a lot of crud in there from compiling random stuff
2021-05-18T01:21:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> eg qemu
2021-05-18T01:23:08 #kisslinux <acheam> time > disk space
2021-05-18T01:23:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're using a system where disk space is a serious concern, you're probably better off cross-compiling, anyway
2021-05-18T01:23:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> not that keeping things tidy isn't important in and of itself
2021-05-18T01:24:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's true
2021-05-18T01:47:40 #kisslinux <dilyn>  if size is at a premium use KISS-static #shamelessplug
2021-05-18T01:50:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: i've just been looking at KISS-static lol, i *want* to use it
2021-05-18T01:50:56 #kisslinux <noocsharp> how does its size compare with normal kiss?
2021-05-18T01:53:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> tiny
2021-05-18T01:55:05 #kisslinux <noocsharp> do you have actual numbers?
2021-05-18T01:55:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's a comparison 'table' on the README
2021-05-18T01:55:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> the rootfs is 34MB uncompressed
2021-05-18T01:55:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I assume that wouldn't scale though
2021-05-18T01:55:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> X crashed twice. What garbage software
2021-05-18T01:56:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I assume that wouldn't scale though
2021-05-18T01:56:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> it probably does...
2021-05-18T01:56:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, most things become simply make deps in your software stack
2021-05-18T01:56:41 #kisslinux <acheam> actually impressive that you managed to restart X twice and open chromium in 30 sec lol
2021-05-18T01:56:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> it requires a bit more knowledge and finesse about what uses what, but if nothing is using the binaries provided by a given package you can just nuke it
2021-05-18T01:56:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> :)
2021-05-18T01:57:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm very impressive
2021-05-18T01:57:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> what's the deal with building packages inside KISS-static
2021-05-18T01:57:38 #kisslinux <acheam> how would it scale if the libraries it needs are repeated across each binary? For example take a theoretical static KDE
2021-05-18T01:57:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> oof
2021-05-18T01:57:49 #kisslinux <acheam> wouldn't each binary need to pack all the KDE libs into it
2021-05-18T01:58:07 #kisslinux <acheam> (i know thats an extreme case)
2021-05-18T01:58:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> why's dilyn running X anyway
2021-05-18T01:58:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> These crashes are probably related to disabling dtls...
2021-05-18T01:58:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> ach
2021-05-18T01:58:29 #kisslinux <acheam> you're on KDE?
2021-05-18T01:58:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> you have to install the *bin programs in the repo
2021-05-18T01:58:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> rn yeah
2021-05-18T01:58:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i provide gcc/binutils/make/etc as bin variants to quickly get a toolchain
2021-05-18T01:59:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> the stuff from gcc/binutils alone are incredibly massive, which is a big reason why I leave them out
2021-05-18T02:03:00 #kisslinux <acheam> and... what exactly is the benefit here?
2021-05-18T02:03:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> well
2021-05-18T02:03:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> nothing depends on anything else
2021-05-18T02:03:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> things load faster as you don't need a dynamic linker
2021-05-18T02:03:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> not small enough for the tiniest of embedded devices, but small enough to be incredibly useful in tight scenarios
2021-05-18T02:03:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> (boot it off your boot partition if you fuck up lads)
2021-05-18T02:04:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm not certain that program launch times are sufficiently fast enough, but that's certainly a boon of some sort
2021-05-18T02:04:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's no dynamic loading which shrinks some possible attack surfaces...
2021-05-18T02:04:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean, the biggest benefit is a smaller system. The biggest tradeoff is updates are... arduous
2021-05-18T02:04:55 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah
2021-05-18T02:04:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no more worrying about people setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH in that install script that you piped directly from curl into bash
2021-05-18T02:05:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> maintenance on a rolling release is hard if you don't do it right. the depends files are *not* complete yet
2021-05-18T02:05:34 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: hehe
2021-05-18T02:06:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> fwiw i think oasis is a strictly better choice in basically every circumstance
2021-05-18T02:07:47 #kisslinux <acheam> :/
2021-05-18T02:07:58 #kisslinux <acheam> its just less usable for a daily driver?
2021-05-18T02:08:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the web browser that it comes with is netsurf
2021-05-18T02:08:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> although you're supposed to use nix or pkgsrc to install extra software
2021-05-18T02:08:51 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, what else can you statically link
2021-05-18T02:09:20 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm that makes sense I guess
2021-05-18T02:09:40 #kisslinux <acheam> perhaps mixing oasis and kiss wouldn't be terrible for dependency hell?
2021-05-18T02:09:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ive been considering jumping ship from arch to oasis + nix on my desktop
2021-05-18T02:11:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> firefox works, technically. I think
2021-05-18T02:11:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly, not a bad choice noocsharp
2021-05-18T02:11:32 #kisslinux <noocsharp> you could probably create a pseudopackage containing the oasis rootfs, and then just have kiss packages depend on it or something
2021-05-18T02:11:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> technically our firefox build only links against libgcc and libc...
2021-05-18T02:11:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could probably make it fully static lmao. benefits of bundling nss
2021-05-18T02:12:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> aren't there a bunch of shared libraries that it installs for itself?
2021-05-18T02:12:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> in /lib/firefox?
2021-05-18T02:13:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc
2021-05-18T02:14:12 #kisslinux <noocsharp> can they be linked statically?
2021-05-18T02:14:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> and I have no idea how it goes about loading all of those, and you can't eliminate most of them
2021-05-18T02:14:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> nss definitely can't
2021-05-18T02:14:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could probably get rid of a few, deferring to system libs instead (our build uses non-system libs for some)
2021-05-18T02:15:06 #kisslinux <zola> clear command, what package does it belong to?
2021-05-18T02:15:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you're using firefox though, I don't think statically linking your webbrowser is something you care about. there are better ways to compromise it, and PGO would see better improvements
2021-05-18T02:15:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> busybox, or ncurses
2021-05-18T02:15:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> `kiss owns /bin/clear`
2021-05-18T02:16:17 #kisslinux <zola> the problem is that /bin/clear is not there.....
2021-05-18T02:16:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> maybe a shell builtin then
2021-05-18T02:16:30 #kisslinux <noocsharp> `which clear`
2021-05-18T02:16:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> rather `type clear`
2021-05-18T02:17:22 #kisslinux <acheam> "clear is clear"
2021-05-18T02:17:50 #kisslinux <zola> instructions unclear...
2021-05-18T02:18:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I throught it was part of ncurses usually?
2021-05-18T02:18:48 #kisslinux <acheam> but kiss owns says busybox
2021-05-18T02:19:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes
2021-05-18T02:20:02 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-05-18T02:20:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-05-18T02:20:38 #kisslinux <zola> looks like both busybox and ncurses provide /usr/bin/clear
2021-05-18T02:21:00 #kisslinux <zola> but i screwed up busybox somehow, and the link is gone
2021-05-18T02:21:16 #kisslinux <acheam> you wouldn't be the first to do so
2021-05-18T02:22:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> look in /var/db/kiss/choices
2021-05-18T02:28:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> ln -s to the rescue
2021-05-18T02:28:54 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i remember when i swapped my coreutils to sbase and then uninstalled it
2021-05-18T02:30:26 #kisslinux <noocsharp> then i figured out that i could just use `busybox ln` to fix everything
2021-05-18T02:30:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> this is a thing which probably should be fixed in kiss
2021-05-18T02:30:59 #kisslinux <illiliti> btw, king swaps dangling alternatives on remove to prevent such things to happen
2021-05-18T02:31:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> very good idea
2021-05-18T02:31:20 #kisslinux <zola> ok i just had the bright idea to do kiss remove busybox
2021-05-18T02:31:25 #kisslinux <zola> as you said
2021-05-18T02:31:33 #kisslinux <zola> ln -s to the rescue
2021-05-18T02:31:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> illiliti: niiiice
2021-05-18T02:32:52 #kisslinux <zola> what is nice is having a system you know enought to be able to fix it like that
2021-05-18T02:42:37 #kisslinux <zola> Do we have a recent firefox binary package
2021-05-18T02:44:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> > 88.0.1
2021-05-18T02:44:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> in repo-bin
2021-05-18T02:44:53 #kisslinux <zola> thanks
2021-05-18T03:11:25 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: why not use xz in repo-bin?
2021-05-18T03:12:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> ?
2021-05-18T03:12:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh
2021-05-18T03:15:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/3nbh
2021-05-18T03:16:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> because I forgot to export KISS_COMPRESS=xz when I did kiss e
2021-05-18T03:16:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-05-18T03:28:57 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-05-18T03:32:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes?
2021-05-18T03:32:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> we really should change the zst default compression level kiss uses
2021-05-18T03:32:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> i can be so much better than gz
2021-05-18T03:41:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> wow actually no it doesn't
2021-05-18T03:41:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> zst performance really falls off once you hit -10
2021-05-18T03:47:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> gets a lot better if you force multithreaded compression. why we don't do that by default I'm not sure of...
2021-05-18T03:49:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/3nbq
2021-05-18T03:49:36 #kisslinux <dilyn>  for instance if we multithread zst compression and use -19 (instead of -3)
2021-05-18T06:54:52 #kisslinux <aws> hello o/
2021-05-18T07:15:04 #kisslinux <icy> hello aws
2021-05-18T07:15:09 #kisslinux <icy> i'm gcp
2021-05-18T07:16:08 #kisslinux <aws> how are you, are you enjoying kiss ?
2021-05-18T07:16:27 #kisslinux <icy> i'm good and no i'm not enjoying kiss since i don't use it
2021-05-18T07:16:47 #kisslinux <icy> but for the time that i did use it, it was a great experience
2021-05-18T07:17:08 #kisslinux <icy> will i recommend it? no. i dislike linux. #runbsd :^)
2021-05-18T07:18:04 #kisslinux <aws> i run freebsd on one of my laptops
2021-05-18T07:18:17 #kisslinux <icy> how do you like it
2021-05-18T07:18:57 #kisslinux <aws> it's great, i don't find it much different than linux though. i like the cohesiveness of the system
2021-05-18T07:20:03 #kisslinux <icy> i run openbsd primarily
2021-05-18T07:20:14 #kisslinux <icy> i think it's quite different from linux
2021-05-18T07:20:53 #kisslinux <icy> i like how everything literally justworks. my install's been going perfectly since 6.6 (now 6.9-current).
2021-05-18T07:21:12 #kisslinux <icy> just have to sysupgrade and call it a day
2021-05-18T07:21:26 #kisslinux <aws> yeah, i remember everything was 'it just works' when I tried openbsd
2021-05-18T07:21:45 #kisslinux <icy> yep
2021-05-18T07:21:50 #kisslinux <icy> so what brings you to kiss?
2021-05-18T07:21:57 #kisslinux <icy> do you run it?
2021-05-18T07:21:59 #kisslinux <aws> i went back on freebsd because i wanted to try wayland and also for battery life
2021-05-18T07:22:05 #kisslinux <aws> no i don't run kiss linux anymore
2021-05-18T07:22:22 #kisslinux <icy> i find the battery life on openbsd about the same as on linux, if not better
2021-05-18T07:24:08 #kisslinux <aws> maybe it was just placebo + ocd kicking, but i was almost sure my pc was hotter on average, that the fan was going more often and that battery was considerably less. i hadn't benchmarked anything though
2021-05-18T07:24:26 #kisslinux <icy> oh no i think openbsd does run a bit hotter
2021-05-18T07:24:40 #kisslinux <icy> and somewhat slower, heh
2021-05-18T07:25:25 #kisslinux <icy> i only run one st window and firefox so it lasts about 5-6 hours ish for me
2021-05-18T07:25:31 #kisslinux <icy> which is alright
2021-05-18T07:25:43 #kisslinux <aws> neat
2021-05-18T09:39:23 #kisslinux <Sweets> what is up gamers
2021-05-18T10:55:12 #kisslinux <claudia02> hola!
2021-05-18T10:56:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> If someone wants to do an Xlib less build of webkit2gtk-2.32.1, this patch is needed: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/net-libs/webkit-gtk/files/2.32.1-Properly-use-CompletionHandler-when-USE_OPENGL_OR_ES.patch
2021-05-18T10:56:57 #kisslinux <aws> does kiss linux accept wayland related packages in the official repos now ?
2021-05-18T11:00:40 #kisslinux <claudia02> aws: No. People maintain it themeselves / 3rd party repos.
2021-05-18T11:03:37 #kisslinux <claudia02> The packages of the official repositories would becoming more complex. People would prob demand only X, only wayland, both?! . A lot of causal statements would be requiered.
2021-05-18T11:04:10 #kisslinux <aws> ah yes, makes sense
2021-05-18T11:04:15 #kisslinux <claudia02> And packages would prob. break now and then by updates. So this would increase the maintenance burde a lot.
2021-05-18T11:04:54 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Yeah only way to keep repos clean is to support either X or wayland not both
2021-05-18T11:05:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> Even creating an official overlay repo does not hit simple anymore IMO
2021-05-18T11:18:09 #kisslinux <aws> waw pretty
2021-05-18T11:18:12 #kisslinux <aws> is that p9p rio ?
2021-05-18T11:25:05 #kisslinux <aws> oops the person sending the was in another channel and i answered in #kisslinux lol
2021-05-18T11:25:24 #kisslinux <aws> i have to get used to irc lol
2021-05-18T12:38:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aws: what's your client
2021-05-18T12:38:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ?
2021-05-18T13:11:41 #kisslinux <aws> kiedtl: my client is ircrc, I am on my 9front laptop currently
2021-05-18T13:12:01 #kisslinux <aws> it's a calmer environment to study
2021-05-18T13:19:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> Sweets made a brief reappearance :o
2021-05-18T16:17:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila FVWM on Gentoo, circa 2004: http://0x0.st/-j5t.jpg
2021-05-18T16:17:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> fvwm is v cool when you can get it to do what you want
2021-05-18T16:17:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is getting it to that point :^)
2021-05-18T16:19:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the transparency in that one is a bit much for me
2021-05-18T16:19:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not a huge fan of transparency either
2021-05-18T16:20:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if its slight transparency on background windows sure, but when i'm reading or typing something then heck no
2021-05-18T16:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only time I'm fine with transparency is on like
2021-05-18T16:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> inactive windows
2021-05-18T16:21:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's it
2021-05-18T16:21:44 #kisslinux <miskatonic> i am never fine with transparency
2021-05-18T16:23:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Java Desktop System: http://0x0.st/-j53.png
2021-05-18T16:23:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "originally derived from a tweaked version of GNOME along with other common free software projects, which Sun Microsystems rewrote in Java" yikes
2021-05-18T16:23:52 #kisslinux <miskatonic> and I do not remember having ever been fine with Java...
2021-05-18T16:24:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> toy DE
2021-05-18T16:24:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads use Window Maker
2021-05-18T16:25:06 #kisslinux <miskatonic> I don't like mice, icons, taskbars, trays, panels, and so on; therefore, I use a windowmanager which boycotts these
2021-05-18T16:25:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> next thing I know you'll be complaining about the ICCCM too
2021-05-18T16:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-j56.png
2021-05-18T16:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> working on a new theme. figured I'd go with something nice and simple
2021-05-18T16:27:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> also refactoring the bit that embeds the system monitors so that it doesn't rely on having xresources.
2021-05-18T16:27:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> that'll be nice.
2021-05-18T16:28:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i like having both mouse-driven and keyboard-driven usage available.  my usage depends on my mood more than some overarching ideal
2021-05-18T16:28:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that blue is nice mid, did you change fonts?
2021-05-18T16:28:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope, but I did adjust pixel hinting
2021-05-18T16:28:40 #kisslinux <miskatonic> what is that ICCCM thing?
2021-05-18T16:29:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> the i3CM is the X inter-client communications something manual
2021-05-18T16:29:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> it handles things like copying and pasting and standard WM hints and etc
2021-05-18T16:29:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh ok maybe that's the difference.  i feel like last screenshot of yours there was an issue with the window titles overlapping the border or something
2021-05-18T16:29:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what that is?
2021-05-18T16:29:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's because I was using a metacity theme's assets
2021-05-18T16:29:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm still working on that one...
2021-05-18T16:30:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've tentatively named the previous theme "Lambda"
2021-05-18T16:30:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> this one is "NeXT", for... obvious reasons
2021-05-18T16:31:20 #kisslinux <miskatonic> I guess that the immmc thing is mainly for desktop environments
2021-05-18T16:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh, no
2021-05-18T16:31:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not
2021-05-18T16:31:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like, the bare minimum for a window manager to be functional.
2021-05-18T16:33:46 #kisslinux <miskatonic> ah, see that ratpoison supports some icccm, so it will not be all that bad
2021-05-18T16:33:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> most DEs extend the ICCCM
2021-05-18T16:34:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what stuff like "GNOME hints" or "MOTIF hints" mean
2021-05-18T16:34:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> some WMs have their own special hints as well. I believe Window Maker does, for example. That's how it manages the Dock.
2021-05-18T16:36:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...ah, right, it was the inter-client communications conventions manual
2021-05-18T16:40:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is EWMH a bridge too far?
2021-05-18T16:41:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> EWMH is just an extension to the ICCCM afaik
2021-05-18T16:41:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, according to wikipedia, EWMH compliance requires ICCCM compliance.
2021-05-18T17:21:43 #kisslinux <bithov> hello :)
2021-05-18T17:21:45 #kisslinux <bithov> ...again
2021-05-18T17:22:32 #kisslinux <bithov> just a quick question this time: would it be accurate to call kisslinux a detailed guide on how to create your own linux distro rather than a linux distro in and of itself?
2021-05-18T17:22:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-05-18T17:23:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's best to think of KISS less as a distro and more as a package manager
2021-05-18T17:23:06 #kisslinux <bithov> I see
2021-05-18T17:23:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you ever done Linux from Scratch?
2021-05-18T17:23:20 #kisslinux <bithov> heard of it
2021-05-18T17:23:26 #kisslinux <bithov> daren't try to do it
2021-05-18T17:23:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what you'd be looking for, if you wanted to learn how to make your own distro
2021-05-18T17:23:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's not too hard, just... really tedious.
2021-05-18T17:23:48 #kisslinux <bithov> it's not that that I'm interested in
2021-05-18T17:24:07 #kisslinux <bithov> it's more that I'm worried my favourite obscure linux distro will just dissapear
2021-05-18T17:24:17 #kisslinux <bithov> i just want to be sure that won't happen to KISS
2021-05-18T17:24:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, as long as there's a single person who uses the package management script, it won't.
2021-05-18T17:25:06 #kisslinux <bithov> I see
2021-05-18T17:25:13 #kisslinux <bithov> do you use KISS for desktop usage?
2021-05-18T17:25:18 #kisslinux <bithov> is it your daily driver, I mean
2021-05-18T17:25:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup.
2021-05-18T17:25:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> typing from it rn.
2021-05-18T17:25:29 #kisslinux <bithov> oh nice
2021-05-18T17:25:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use it on my laptop and workstation, although my media center runs slackware
2021-05-18T17:25:43 #kisslinux <bithov> are there instructions on using syslinux instead of grub with KISS?
2021-05-18T17:25:46 #kisslinux <miskatonic> I don't dare to use a rolling release distro as daily driver
2021-05-18T17:25:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss isn't rolling
2021-05-18T17:26:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's "whenever you feel like it'-ing
2021-05-18T17:26:18 #kisslinux <bithov> I only really use vim, lynx and the unix toolchain anyway :-)
2021-05-18T17:26:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and there's nothing really specific to KISS
2021-05-18T17:26:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to use extlinux on kiss just install it as you normally would
2021-05-18T17:26:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i actually use extlinux.
2021-05-18T17:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you just dump the syslinux mbr bootstrap code into your bootdisk's first sector, then extlinux --install /boot or whatever
2021-05-18T17:27:13 #kisslinux <bithov> how do I install it normally? I've always just used alpine+XFCE which has syslinux already there
2021-05-18T17:27:18 #kisslinux <bithov> oh thanks
2021-05-18T17:27:24 #kisslinux <bithov> do you have any links to urls I could follow?
2021-05-18T17:27:29 #kisslinux <bithov> *tutorials
2021-05-18T17:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> write your config script, copy your desired modules (e.g vesamenu.c32), and you're off
2021-05-18T17:27:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, I do
2021-05-18T17:27:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec
2021-05-18T17:28:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://shallowsky.com/linux/extlinux.html
2021-05-18T17:28:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a good guide.
2021-05-18T17:28:20 #kisslinux <bithov> thanks :)
2021-05-18T17:28:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, word of advice
2021-05-18T17:28:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you use xfs on your boot partition, it'll say that there's no pre-existing install of extlinux
2021-05-18T17:28:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a bold-faced lie
2021-05-18T17:28:58 #kisslinux <bithov> is syslinux packaged with KISS or do I have to compile it manually?
2021-05-18T17:29:01 #kisslinux <bithov> thanks for the tip
2021-05-18T17:29:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have it in my repos
2021-05-18T17:29:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila
2021-05-18T17:29:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, I just realized I mispelled initial in the initial commit. that's embarassing
2021-05-18T17:31:26 #kisslinux <bithov> on a base KISS installed (no xorg) what's memory usage like? on htop I mean
2021-05-18T17:31:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can use free -m
2021-05-18T17:31:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> that'll report memory and swap usage in megs
2021-05-18T17:31:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it really depends on your kernel
2021-05-18T17:32:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you have a lot of stuff compiled into it, or a lot of modules loaded, it'll use more memory, obviously.
2021-05-18T17:32:02 #kisslinux <bithov> how so?
2021-05-18T17:32:08 #kisslinux <bithov> ah
2021-05-18T17:32:13 #kisslinux <bithov> what sort of modules?
2021-05-18T17:32:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> > inital
2021-05-18T17:32:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Nice
2021-05-18T17:32:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> ikr
2021-05-18T17:32:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, modules are just bits of code that add functionality to the kernel
2021-05-18T17:32:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> they include everything from filesystem support to networking and virtualization
2021-05-18T17:33:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> Graphics, sound cards,
2021-05-18T17:33:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> as well as device support, and a bunch of other stuff
2021-05-18T17:33:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> Mostly drivers
2021-05-18T17:33:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah mostly drivers
2021-05-18T17:33:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> Modules are trash imo :v
2021-05-18T17:33:17 #kisslinux <bithov> but filesystem support and networking are covered in the KISS install tutorial, right?
2021-05-18T17:33:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's touched on re:filesystems
2021-05-18T17:33:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> Not from a kernel perspective
2021-05-18T17:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you have trouble configuring a kernel, check out the gentoo wiki first
2021-05-18T17:33:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> You either need to build your filesystem driver into the kernel, or if you build it as a module use an initramfs
2021-05-18T17:33:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-05-18T17:34:07 #kisslinux <bithov> which is more lightweight?
2021-05-18T17:34:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> >lightweight
2021-05-18T17:34:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> howso
2021-05-18T17:34:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-05-18T17:34:20 #kisslinux <bithov> mem and cpu usage
2021-05-18T17:34:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> you mean in comparison to initramfs?
2021-05-18T17:34:29 #kisslinux <bithov> yeah
2021-05-18T17:34:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, after it's done, there's not really a difference afaik
2021-05-18T17:34:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just a more complicated method of setting stuff up
2021-05-18T17:34:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there are some benefits to it
2021-05-18T17:34:55 #kisslinux <miskatonic> is it not possible to manually load filesystem drivers after boot?
2021-05-18T17:34:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> The benefits of having things as modules instead of builtins is that you can unload them and free ram, but I doubt this is useful in most cases.
2021-05-18T17:35:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> not if the rootfs driver is missing, miskatonic
2021-05-18T17:35:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> How would you load them? :V
2021-05-18T17:35:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> There's no FS lmao
2021-05-18T17:37:03 #kisslinux <miskatonic> but all other fs which are not needed for booting, such as xfs and btrfs if /, /home/, and /usr are all ext4?
2021-05-18T17:37:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, if it's not needed to mount the rootfs, you could do that
2021-05-18T17:37:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2021-05-18T17:37:29 #kisslinux <dilynm> You can load anything after boot that isn't the driver for ROOTFS just fine
2021-05-18T17:37:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...there's no point?
2021-05-18T17:37:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> ^
2021-05-18T17:37:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> you need those drivers *anyway*
2021-05-18T17:37:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like loading the keyboard driver after boot
2021-05-18T17:37:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's all just dependent on use case, like much of the kernel
2021-05-18T17:37:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> you aren't going to just unload that
2021-05-18T17:38:19 #kisslinux <bithov> so it's best to just get as much as possible from the linux kernel instead of grabbing a bunch of disparate stuff?
2021-05-18T17:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's already part of the source tree
2021-05-18T17:38:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> the difference is whether to build it into the kernel permanently
2021-05-18T17:38:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> or load it dynamically
2021-05-18T17:38:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but most people here do it in the former manner, I bet
2021-05-18T17:39:16 #kisslinux <bithov> tldr would it be less of a headache for me by doing as much as possible with just the kernel?
2021-05-18T17:39:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't know what you mean by "just the kernel", but if you're referring to compiling modules into the kernel directly, it tends to be easier, yes
2021-05-18T17:39:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are fewer moving parts to break.
2021-05-18T17:39:57 #kisslinux <bithov> yeah that's what I meant
2021-05-18T17:39:59 #kisslinux <bithov> thanks
2021-05-18T17:40:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> another satisfied customer.
2021-05-18T17:40:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> :)
2021-05-18T17:40:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> midfavila: do you use an initramfs
2021-05-18T17:40:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope.
2021-05-18T17:40:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> didn't think so
2021-05-18T17:40:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't use initramfs or modules.
2021-05-18T17:41:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd disable external firmware loading if I could :|
2021-05-18T17:41:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> :/
2021-05-18T17:41:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> alas, gahnoo+loonis will not allow for it.
2021-05-18T17:41:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> i think the only modules i have are bluetooth
2021-05-18T17:41:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> >bluetooth
2021-05-18T17:41:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-05-18T17:41:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> for the once a year i find an actual speaker
2021-05-18T17:42:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine not using IrDA
2021-05-18T17:42:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> bluetooth is a bitch on kiss ofc though
2021-05-18T17:42:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> bluetooth is a bitch at all times
2021-05-18T17:42:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just that it's a bitch to someone upstream on other systems
2021-05-18T17:42:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> daimn :)
2021-05-18T17:43:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> other than fs
2021-05-18T17:43:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> KDE connect is reallly useful, if i could have something similar on kiss i could wipe the other drive
2021-05-18T17:45:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> Just get dbus!
2021-05-18T17:45:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ain't terrible
2021-05-18T17:45:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm thinking of writing a script to set up a local WLAN for data transfer.
2021-05-18T17:45:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> i might even
2021-05-18T17:45:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> Gotta give Ubuntu credit. A lot of things 'just twerk'
2021-05-18T17:45:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> but, dbus...
2021-05-18T17:45:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> ubuntu Just Werks until you try to do anything that isn't what they expect
2021-05-18T17:46:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> I don't think that's totally true
2021-05-18T17:46:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think that's totally true
2021-05-18T17:46:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-05-18T17:46:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering I used it for two and a half years and hated every goddamn minute of it.
2021-05-18T17:46:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> this was pre-"autistically compile everything with custom CFLAGS and options" Mid, fwiw
2021-05-18T17:46:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> Only complaint I've had is the activities problem, but I haven't encountered it again. I think it was a fluke
2021-05-18T17:47:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> i tried gnome once on a live usb
2021-05-18T17:47:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm sorry
2021-05-18T17:47:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> did not understand
2021-05-18T17:47:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> f
2021-05-18T17:48:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i use a Lubuntu usb install to install KISS Linux on my machines
2021-05-18T17:48:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> works great
2021-05-18T17:48:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm normally more of a puppy guy
2021-05-18T17:48:53 #kisslinux <phoebos> is that lxde or lxqt?
2021-05-18T17:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> lxqt
2021-05-18T17:49:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> it used to be de
2021-05-18T17:49:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-05-18T17:49:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mine is lxde
2021-05-18T17:49:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> not qt
2021-05-18T17:49:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> ach
2021-05-18T17:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then pcman dropped gtk
2021-05-18T17:49:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> because he hates gtk3
2021-05-18T17:49:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but yeah lxqt is the "proper" one
2021-05-18T17:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> LXDE is still superior
2021-05-18T17:49:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> change my mind
2021-05-18T17:49:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> um i really don't know much about them
2021-05-18T17:49:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> but lxqt is lighter no?
2021-05-18T17:49:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i had problems with lxqt that i didn't with lxde, so i never made the switch
2021-05-18T17:49:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> tldr lxqt is just a rewrite of lxde in qt5
2021-05-18T17:50:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep
2021-05-18T17:50:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> they have roughly equivalent performance
2021-05-18T17:50:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> then i don't massively care
2021-05-18T17:50:42 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Test
2021-05-18T17:50:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you probably shouldn't
2021-05-18T17:50:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> lx* is largely a matter of two questions
2021-05-18T17:50:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> a) does your machine suck
2021-05-18T17:50:54 #kisslinux <phoebos> although, get this, qt looks better than gtk3
2021-05-18T17:51:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> b) qt or gtk
2021-05-18T17:51:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hi testuser[m]_
2021-05-18T17:51:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and i mean
2021-05-18T17:51:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not hard to beat gtk3 in terms of looks
2021-05-18T17:51:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> or usability
2021-05-18T17:51:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm really excited for STLWRT
2021-05-18T17:51:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it promises forwards and backwards compatiblity with GTK2/3/4
2021-05-18T17:52:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> where is it at progress-wise?
2021-05-18T17:52:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> isn't that a HUGE ask to be compatible with all of those?
2021-05-18T17:52:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> close to an alpha release, I think
2021-05-18T17:52:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's been a lot of interesting screenshots
2021-05-18T17:52:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> apparently TheSquash (lead dev) has already gotten... I think it was MATE, to compile against STLWRT in its entirety
2021-05-18T17:53:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was either MATE or XFCE
2021-05-18T17:53:56 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Either is a great achievement
2021-05-18T17:54:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah dude
2021-05-18T17:54:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's really exciting
2021-05-18T17:54:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> having an alternative to GTK and Qt on the Linux desktop is going to be awesome
2021-05-18T17:54:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol
2021-05-18T17:54:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> Finally, a universal toolkit
2021-05-18T17:54:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> Something something xkcd
2021-05-18T17:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you mean: ascii art?
2021-05-18T17:55:03 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hng
2021-05-18T17:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr though
2021-05-18T17:55:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe we'll even get thumbnails in the filepicker
2021-05-18T17:55:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> now that would be revolutionary
2021-05-18T17:55:41 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> inb4 dbus
2021-05-18T17:55:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> MATE always worked well for me, i liked it
2021-05-18T17:56:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never bothered with MATE, but it seems nice
2021-05-18T17:56:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i started with LXDE, then used ROX for a while
2021-05-18T17:56:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> switched to CDE, then NsCDE, fucked with WMs for a while, now I'm on FVWM
2021-05-18T17:58:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there was a few years there where ubuntu was super sleek and nice.  then Gnome Dock showed up and everything went to shit
2021-05-18T17:58:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> the dark age of unity
2021-05-18T17:58:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...that wasn't actually so dark. except for the whole amazon thing.
2021-05-18T17:58:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was pretty shit.
2021-05-18T18:00:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ubuntu 10 was the last one i really enjoyed
2021-05-18T18:00:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's way before my time
2021-05-18T18:00:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 11 was when the dock showed up, 12 was when the Amazon app was introduced
2021-05-18T18:00:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've only been using linux since like
2021-05-18T18:00:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> 18.04 I think
2021-05-18T18:01:25 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Me since 20.04
2021-05-18T18:05:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> 6.06 :')
2021-05-18T18:05:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> boomboom detected
2021-05-18T18:05:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> Confirmed old
2021-05-18T18:11:26 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser[m]_: wow
2021-05-18T18:12:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I started with 16.04, then took a pause until 20.04
2021-05-18T18:12:36 #kisslinux <acheam> I didn't care about minimalism or free software back then, mostly about looks and customization
2021-05-18T18:12:43 #kisslinux <acheam> and I was a serial distro hopper
2021-05-18T18:12:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> so what you're saying is
2021-05-18T18:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> you were the average distrotube subscriber
2021-05-18T18:12:57 #kisslinux <acheam> like, I have a full DVD container thing with old linux distros in it
2021-05-18T18:13:02 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-18T18:13:06 #kisslinux <acheam> and get this
2021-05-18T18:13:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I used Manjaro
2021-05-18T18:13:10 #kisslinux <acheam> with i3
2021-05-18T18:13:17 #kisslinux * midfavila visibly recoils
2021-05-18T18:13:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely disgusting
2021-05-18T18:13:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I even called myself an Arch user
2021-05-18T18:13:49 #kisslinux <acheam> the cringe
2021-05-18T18:13:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> reddit moment
2021-05-18T18:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i remember, when I started with linux, sometimes I would accidentally open an openbox session instead of LXDE
2021-05-18T18:14:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'd totally freak the fuck out
2021-05-18T18:14:31 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I got a ton of free time last year (now too) so i was on KISS within like 6-7 months of starting
2021-05-18T18:16:07 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> midfavila how's gold going
2021-05-18T18:16:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc867 i wonder if there's any public servers still up with this
2021-05-18T18:16:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah, daytime
2021-05-18T18:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, there are
2021-05-18T18:16:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> iirc NCSA provides it
2021-05-18T18:16:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> and gold is going fairly well testuser[m]_
2021-05-18T18:16:45 #kisslinux <dilynm> I started using Linux because ~COMPIZ~
2021-05-18T18:16:55 #kisslinux <dilynm> Burn my windows down daddy canonical
2021-05-18T18:17:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> W   O   B   B   L   Y         W   I   N   D   O   W   S
2021-05-18T18:17:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the 3D cube workspace switcher was amazing
2021-05-18T18:17:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never actually gotten compiz to work
2021-05-18T18:17:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> first time I used it was on Knoppix the other day
2021-05-18T18:18:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> would probably be more interested in it if it was a standalone compositor
2021-05-18T18:18:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of a shitty window manager+compositor
2021-05-18T18:19:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> its funny to me how much eye candy could be baked in back then and still have a decently performant experience... and it didn't need 16GB+ of RAM
2021-05-18T18:19:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> + some epic gamer GPU of course
2021-05-18T18:19:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> man
2021-05-18T18:19:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> semi-related
2021-05-18T18:19:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the other day I was arguing about whether android is shit or not
2021-05-18T18:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and brought up the fact that a stock install of 10 is like six or seven gigs or something hilarious like that
2021-05-18T18:20:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> and received the response "if you care about storage in $YEAR..."
2021-05-18T18:21:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> which would be *somewhat* fair if android was actually useful out of the box, or a desktop OS, or something
2021-05-18T18:21:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep.  its ridiculous.  add on the carrier bloat, and my 16GB internal card becomes 5GB actually available for me to use.
2021-05-18T18:21:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but slackware is about the same size as Android 10, is a full desktop OS, and includes everything under the sun a user or developer could need
2021-05-18T18:21:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile
2021-05-18T18:21:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I want to do anything productive on Android
2021-05-18T18:22:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> the recommended method is *still* "Root device, install termux, install X11 and tigerVNC and a VNC client, VNC into the locally-hosted X11 server, then run LibreOffice"
2021-05-18T18:22:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is
2021-05-18T18:22:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck
2021-05-18T18:22:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, how about I just use a real OS and a real computer
2021-05-18T18:24:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's some nice apps.  i use JuiceSSH a TON.  WireGuard app works really well, at least for me.  then there's a few extras i like: primitive FTPD, Share To Computer, KeePass Droid (with SyncThing for synchronization), Fing.  Covers pretty much anything I'd actually want to do on my phone
2021-05-18T18:24:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are precisely two programs I've found legitimately helpful
2021-05-18T18:24:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> one is Serval Mesh
2021-05-18T18:24:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is a mesh networking suite
2021-05-18T18:24:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the other is DiskDroid or something like that
2021-05-18T18:24:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> which allows you to boot ISOs off your phone
2021-05-18T18:25:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> if smartphones had more programs like those, I'd have a more positive view of them
2021-05-18T18:25:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> as it stands, my laptop is better in every single situation.
2021-05-18T18:25:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> *including* calling and texting!
2021-05-18T18:26:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...DriveDroid, that was it
2021-05-18T18:27:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm waiting for @noocsharp to start playing around with their https://nihaljere.xyz/words/summer_of_phone.html
2021-05-18T18:28:01 #kisslinux <acheam> you haven't seen the 2 updates?
2021-05-18T18:28:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no... what happened
2021-05-18T18:28:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i should post more about my hardware on my blog
2021-05-18T18:28:32 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: http://nihaljere.xyz/words.html
2021-05-18T18:28:48 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: more than a hello world would be nice lol
2021-05-18T18:28:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh awesome, merci, i'll read up
2021-05-18T18:29:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I have a few pages in the works, but don't really have the motivation/time to finish them
2021-05-18T18:29:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> every time I sit down to write an entry my mind just goes blank
2021-05-18T18:29:08 #kisslinux <acheam> my writing sucks anyways
2021-05-18T18:29:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then when I do start writing, I just kind of mind-juice everywhere
2021-05-18T18:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should write an article about why you should totally carry around a headset and laptop instead of a smartphone.
2021-05-18T18:39:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ah, they've identified the power of oasis' update system!
2021-05-18T18:39:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> They should bug Michael about this project XD
2021-05-18T18:44:09 #kisslinux <jslick> My first linux was fedora core 6, which didn't work out too well, so I installed ubuntu 7.04.  Coming from winblows, desktop cube was the coolest thing ever.
2021-05-18T18:44:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> USB cameras are absolutely trivial in KISS btw lads
2021-05-18T18:45:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ah, a fellow old I see
2021-05-18T18:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> boomboom tribe grows
2021-05-18T18:46:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and my camera is over parallel, thanks.
2021-05-18T18:48:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> The mic on the other hand is less trivial...
2021-05-18T18:48:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hmhmhm
2021-05-18T18:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> solution
2021-05-18T18:48:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> use a soundcard, as god intended
2021-05-18T18:48:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> none of this usb garbage
2021-05-18T18:48:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is now a balanced XLR chat.
2021-05-18T18:49:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ew
2021-05-18T18:49:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> Soundcards are almost entirely useless nowadays though for simple audio needs
2021-05-18T18:49:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-05-18T18:49:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-05-18T18:50:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're almost always better.
2021-05-18T18:50:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...compared to onboard
2021-05-18T18:51:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> Compared to front audio onboard sure
2021-05-18T18:51:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> eeeh.
2021-05-18T18:51:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...although that reminds me, I need to rewire the front audio connectors on my case
2021-05-18T18:52:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> they have to be thrashed or something.
2021-05-18T18:54:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilynm: how are you looking through your webcam?
2021-05-18T18:55:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> you BETTER be ffplay'ing the device file
2021-05-18T18:59:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> I don't have ffmpeg installed
2021-05-18T18:59:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> My interview is on Google meet so I'm using that
2021-05-18T18:59:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Test for your use cases fam
2021-05-18T19:00:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> oof
2021-05-18T19:01:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> Big ooofff
2021-05-18T19:36:33 #kisslinux <jslick> gl on your interview
2021-05-18T19:40:29 #kisslinux <dilynm> Thanks!
2021-05-18T19:40:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> The mic was actually also trivial, I just forgot that my mdev is broken. A quick permissions change and we're in business!
2021-05-18T19:45:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/jart/cosmopolitan/releases/tag/1.0
2021-05-18T19:46:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 1.0 reached
2021-05-18T19:54:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Time to build with it!
2021-05-18T19:54:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> Musl is dead
2021-05-18T20:20:39 #kisslinux <illiliti> lightning strike destroyed electricity at my house
2021-05-18T20:20:56 #kisslinux <illiliti> i may be inactive for about 1-2 days
2021-05-18T20:21:35 #kisslinux <zenomat> uff, well, good luck to you
2021-05-18T20:23:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> Oh jeez
2021-05-18T20:23:56 #kisslinux <dilynm> Gl my mang
2021-05-18T20:24:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> Cosmopolitan's Makefile has a funny line in it
2021-05-18T20:24:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> CPPFLAGS+=-DIM_FEELING_NAUGHTY
2021-05-18T20:24:44 #kisslinux <illiliti> i will be here until battery is alive xd
2021-05-18T20:24:56 #kisslinux <illiliti> 28%
2021-05-18T20:55:21 #kisslinux <zenomat> i tried to patch herbe, and it didnt work, somehow caught in a loop, idk, doesnt finish. to check if it was my bad, i pulled a clean copy and it doesnt work
2021-05-18T20:55:24 #kisslinux <zenomat> uff
2021-05-18T20:55:54 #kisslinux <zenomat> i have to kill it with -9
2021-05-18T20:57:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> Post the patch/line youre using to patch/etc?
2021-05-18T20:58:19 #kisslinux <zenomat> i mean that I am trying to patch it myself, like write one
2021-05-18T20:58:49 #kisslinux <zenomat> dont know why I had this great idea, because I basicallt know absoulutly no c, but oh well
2021-05-18T21:03:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ah you mean herbe gets stuck? Fun
2021-05-18T21:03:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> You could use like, a linter
2021-05-18T21:04:26 #kisslinux <zenomat> it works, if i try to build the one from my repo, but the clean realease doesnt work, which totally makes no sense
2021-05-18T21:25:59 #kisslinux <zenomat> appearently it hangs at a futex
2021-05-18T21:26:11 #kisslinux <zenomat> __futex_abstimed_wait_cancleable64
2021-05-18T21:36:00 #kisslinux <zenomat> tf? it works with a vertical stacking patch
2021-05-18T21:39:07 #kisslinux <zenomat> alright, I managed to fix it. somehow the mutexes were faulty
2021-05-18T21:47:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I started learning C just by patching software, and look at me now! I'm totally incompetant!
2021-05-18T21:48:03 #kisslinux <zenomat> a goal to aspire
2021-05-18T21:59:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> The biggest mood
2021-05-18T22:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> re:learning C by patching that's actually what I've been thinking
2021-05-18T22:09:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> >package breaks >try to fix >encounter thing I don't understand >read K&R until I understand >??? >profit
2021-05-18T22:10:05 #kisslinux <zenomat> actually sounds viable. I like the concept of learning by doing
2021-05-18T22:10:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, learning through application is the best way
2021-05-18T22:10:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you have to start with theory at first, which suuuuuuuuuuucks
2021-05-18T22:10:48 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah
2021-05-18T22:11:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something crawl before you can walk before you can run something something
2021-05-18T22:11:32 #kisslinux <zenomat> swim or drown motherfucker
2021-05-18T22:12:00 #kisslinux <zenomat> best method
2021-05-18T22:12:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> 100% success rate
2021-05-18T22:12:43 #kisslinux <zenomat> works a 100% 10% of the time
2021-05-18T22:12:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-05-18T22:12:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> if nobody finds the failures
2021-05-18T22:12:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> do they really exist
2021-05-18T22:13:04 #kisslinux <zenomat> ez clap
2021-05-18T22:15:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> is kiss-version broken for anyone else?
2021-05-18T22:18:31 #kisslinux <zenomat> i dont think so
2021-05-18T22:19:42 #kisslinux <zenomat> i'll continue patching tomorrow
2021-05-18T22:28:58 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> my kernel wont compile
2021-05-18T22:28:59 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> http://sprunge.us/YSqVUA
2021-05-18T22:29:12 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> i saw the same errors on some russian forum
2021-05-18T22:29:18 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> but i dont know rrussian
2021-05-18T22:29:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you perhaps considered installing gmp
2021-05-18T22:29:25 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> i am using the hardened kernel
2021-05-18T22:29:37 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> midfavila how?
2021-05-18T22:29:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> how do you install packages
2021-05-18T22:29:47 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> also there are other errors
2021-05-18T22:29:48 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah, install gmp and its done
2021-05-18T22:29:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> other errors don't matter
2021-05-18T22:29:58 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> midfavila pacakge manager
2021-05-18T22:30:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> when you're troubleshooting C and run into a missing library, just install the library
2021-05-18T22:30:29 #kisslinux <zenomat> yyou can ignore the busybox diff warnings
2021-05-18T22:31:04 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> ok
2021-05-18T22:32:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> Looks like the gcc_plugins error; you disable that in menuconfig if you don't need them
2021-05-18T22:32:22 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> where is that option
2021-05-18T22:32:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> not for the hardened kernel
2021-05-18T22:32:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> last I checked the hardened kernel requires GCC plugins.
2021-05-18T22:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least for some of its improvements.
2021-05-18T22:35:15 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> gmp error went away after installation
2021-05-18T22:35:24 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> though i had to download sources and compile by hand
2021-05-18T22:35:30 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> but other erros remain
2021-05-18T22:35:33 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> *errors
2021-05-18T22:36:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> gmp is available in the community repo as gmp fwiw
2021-05-18T22:36:40 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> i should probably get and put the community repo in my path
2021-05-18T22:36:56 #kisslinux <zenomat> covers a lot of software
2021-05-18T22:37:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> community is definitely helpful
2021-05-18T22:37:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least until you get your own stuff set up
2021-05-18T22:41:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> graaaah, FVWM can be so goddamn cantankerous
2021-05-18T22:42:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been trying to force it to play nice with my system monitors for *hours*
2021-05-18T22:42:30 #kisslinux <zenomat> i never heard cantankerous, but it is super cool
2021-05-18T22:42:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's super cool until you try to use multiple types of substitution while also attempting to preserve the literal meaning of characters
2021-05-18T22:43:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> at which point you remember that basically writing a window manager in shellcode isn't fun
2021-05-18T22:43:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> and is in fact painful
2021-05-18T22:44:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's been some talk of introducing an intermediary language resembling the current script, and then replacing the current script with something more akin to an actual language
2021-05-18T22:44:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I would be very much in favor of, at this point
2021-05-18T22:44:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think the two suggestions that have gotten the most attention was either something similar to CSS, or something like Scheme
2021-05-18T22:47:50 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> fricking kernel still wont compile
2021-05-18T22:47:52 #kisslinux <ocean_moist>  http://sprunge.us/8aOCdk
2021-05-18T22:48:27 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjugeOIqNTwAhWkGbkGHfO4CI4QFjADegQIBBAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opennet.ru%2Fopenforum%2FvsluhforumID3%2F124066.html&usg=AOvVaw3vtbXYiT2PPowdMV3SlHd7
2021-05-18T22:48:52 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> this guy had the same issue, but i dont know russian
2021-05-18T22:49:13 #kisslinux <zenomat> try and install mpc
2021-05-18T22:49:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> libmpc, for the record
2021-05-18T22:49:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> not the media player client
2021-05-18T22:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> that irked me the first time I confused the two
2021-05-18T22:49:40 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah, was a bout to add that
2021-05-18T22:49:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it would be nice if community was split into sub-repos based on the type of package
2021-05-18T22:50:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> like community/libraries, community/media, community/fonts, etc
2021-05-18T22:50:20 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> i installed media player client
2021-05-18T22:50:28 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> thats why there where so many goddamn dependicies
2021-05-18T22:50:41 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> ffs
2021-05-18T22:50:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> on the topic of mpd/mpc and xmms2
2021-05-18T22:50:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're not "minimal"
2021-05-18T22:51:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if you run mpc and mpd on your machine just because they're "minimal"
2021-05-18T22:51:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> you need to install a different media player right now.
2021-05-18T22:51:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only time mpc/mpd are minimal is if you have a streaming server.
2021-05-18T22:51:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've seen so many people who do that kind of stuff.
2021-05-18T22:52:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> where like, they install mpc and mpd on multiple machines they own, and see nothing wrong with that
2021-05-18T22:52:17 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> im pissed bc i like bloated my system like a fucking condom after a guy dropped a fat load
2021-05-18T22:52:25 #kisslinux <zenomat> i like the client server stuff, because different clients. and mpc is nice
2021-05-18T22:52:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> see, that's a valid reason
2021-05-18T22:52:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> the client-server model offers a lot of flexibility
2021-05-18T22:52:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if you just like mpc, also very fair. it's kind of nice
2021-05-18T22:52:55 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> still wont compile
2021-05-18T22:52:56 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> http://sprunge.us/zrgUCP
2021-05-18T22:53:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but i'm talking like
2021-05-18T22:53:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> the reddit r/unixporn types
2021-05-18T22:53:12 #kisslinux <zenomat> ocean_moist redo you system if it is to blooted to be rescued
2021-05-18T22:53:27 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> i think i could uninstall but it might be messy
2021-05-18T22:53:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> who use i3-gaps and mpc/mpd and all that other crap because it's "minimal"
2021-05-18T22:53:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and uh
2021-05-18T22:53:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think kiss can revert to initial packages
2021-05-18T22:53:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ocean_moist: have you applied the patch for 5.12?
2021-05-18T22:53:41 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> no
2021-05-18T22:53:50 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> phoebos[m] link?
2021-05-18T22:54:18 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> https://k1sslinux.org/news/20210507a
2021-05-18T22:54:57 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> tysm
2021-05-18T22:54:58 #kisslinux * midfavila laughs in stable kernels
2021-05-18T22:55:27 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> eh, it's literally one #include
2021-05-18T22:55:54 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> ye, i threw a #include <linux/stddef.h> in swab.h but it didnt seem to work 100%
2021-05-18T22:56:10 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> so i figued it must be something wrong with my build system
2021-05-18T22:57:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> did you put it in tools/objtool/arch/x86/decode.c ?
2021-05-18T22:57:42 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> just did
2021-05-18T22:58:16 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> someone on the lkml should probably fix that
2021-05-18T23:09:55 #kisslinux <zenomat> alright, im off for today, night
2021-05-18T23:23:33 #kisslinux <zola> I installed firefox from repo-bin and every time any kind of ad is shown on the screen the tab crashes, no logs, no error messages...
2021-05-18T23:23:41 #kisslinux <zola> Has anyone had this happen?
2021-05-18T23:36:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> I haven't had that happen; ads actually just appear as blank spaces for me :x
2021-05-18T23:37:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> If you're using gcc_plugins in the kernel you probably need external mpfr/mpc/gmp. We build them with gcc.
2021-05-18T23:37:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> For #futurereference
2021-05-18T23:38:25 #kisslinux <dilynm> Bad news: screen sharing on Wayland requires pipewire, because "security"
2021-05-18T23:38:43 #kisslinux <zola> I just managed to get the problem down to having to do with webgl
2021-05-18T23:39:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a sad day :(
2021-05-18T23:52:52 #kisslinux <acheam> finally! java begone!
2021-05-18T23:54:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Team Oracle is blasting off agaaaaaaaaaaain..!
2021-05-18T23:55:15 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> i was trying to delete my syslinux source
2021-05-18T23:55:21 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> and did rm -rf /sys
2021-05-18T23:55:28 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> do i have anything to worry aobut?
2021-05-18T23:56:03 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> bc i dont think you can delete /sys files bc they arent actual files
2021-05-18T23:56:33 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> eVeRYthINg iS a fIle
2021-05-18T23:56:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> is there anything in /sys now?
2021-05-18T23:56:43 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> yes
2021-05-18T23:56:47 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> there is stuff
2021-05-18T23:56:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> probably ok but i don't know
2021-05-18T23:57:15 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> well i could always just extract the tarball again
2021-05-18T23:57:33 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> oh have you booted into kiss yet?
2021-05-18T23:57:51 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> no
2021-05-18T23:57:53 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> in a chroot
2021-05-18T23:58:05 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> which is why i  was compiling syslinux
2021-05-18T23:58:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> /sys is bind mounted from your host /sys
2021-05-18T23:58:38 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> oh ye i forgot bc the kiss-chroot thing does everything for me
2021-05-18T23:58:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> sys itself is populated by the kernel, so you won't find any sys in the tarball
2021-05-18T23:58:49 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> k
2021-05-18T23:58:55 #kisslinux <ocean_moist> im going to assume it is fine
2021-05-18T23:59:01 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> should beee