[2021-06-09T00:31:43Z] this dep issue existed all the way back when... https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/issues/29 [2021-06-09T00:31:46Z] fascinating... [2021-06-09T00:40:34Z] it's... always existed? that can't be right. can it? [2021-06-09T00:48:21Z] it was right under our noses! [2021-06-09T00:48:24Z] how dare it! [2021-06-09T00:49:02Z] dilyn [2021-06-09T00:49:07Z] you have been duped [2021-06-09T00:49:19Z] he was the chosen one :'( [2021-06-09T00:49:25Z] japed [2021-06-09T00:49:30Z] perhaps even bamboozled [2021-06-09T00:50:21Z] i've certainly been boozled [2021-06-09T00:51:45Z] to be fair there are not many potential examples [2021-06-09T00:52:05Z] i only noticed because linux-headers requires gmake, and I was building a few things that only required linux-headers [2021-06-09T00:52:10Z] harumph ho humph [2021-06-09T00:54:35Z] https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/blob/3d4734ca9b84d01ebd36d60fcb914ca190f7e7aa/kiss#L364-L401 tell me your secrets... [2021-06-09T00:54:46Z] what did you know, hunter2 [2021-06-09T00:55:04Z] who? [2021-06-09T00:55:08Z] all I see is ******* [2021-06-09T04:34:06Z] Hi [2021-06-09T04:36:42Z] hi [2021-06-09T06:43:26Z] well, at least awk has primitives like arrays [2021-06-09T06:43:37Z] in sh, you have untyped variables, functions with globals by default and useless pseudo-array $@ [2021-06-09T06:45:02Z] sh is PITA for complex tasks [2021-06-09T06:53:00Z] hiiii! [2021-06-09T06:53:11Z] I finally almost recovered from the soymilk accident [2021-06-09T06:54:17Z] 8 June 2021 18:24 PM - The soymilk accident [2021-06-09T06:54:44Z] Nice [2021-06-09T06:55:29Z] gosh my mechanical keyboard is great but has like a weird plate in between all switches that's like, non removable without extensive desoldering afaict [2021-06-09T06:56:06Z] I'm seriously planning to get in the future a better one [2021-06-09T07:06:39Z] Cellphone riteo here, I have no idea how it reacted but I shut down my pc since I removed its keyboard forgetting irc on. If I pinged out, I didn't crash [2021-06-09T07:07:05Z] I thought I would stay more but oh well [2021-06-09T07:07:12Z] cya later! [2021-06-09T14:12:08Z] http://0x0.st/-Lrj.png [2021-06-09T14:12:59Z] what do you guys think of my sick meme [2021-06-09T14:24:07Z] the gnome is a nice touch for sure [2021-06-09T14:48:17Z] oh what the fuck [2021-06-09T14:48:23Z] ytprivate is forcing JS now [2021-06-09T14:49:53Z] and it's because someone launched a DDoS against them [2021-06-09T14:49:57Z] this is why we can't have nice things! [2021-06-09T15:03:04Z] a form of tragedy of the commons [2021-06-09T15:03:27Z] once something hits a certain threshold of "popularity", you get shit like that [2021-06-09T15:03:32Z] "computer? engage gatekeeping. fairness limiters off." [2021-06-09T15:06:00Z] i mean, yeah essentially. if there's absolutely no gatekeeping you end up with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September [2021-06-09T15:06:05Z] sometimes that is good, sometimes that is bad [2021-06-09T15:06:13Z] i would say it's mostly bad >.>; [2021-06-09T15:06:25Z] all these fuckin redditors [2021-06-09T15:07:17Z] so I just found 392kbps audio... on a synthwave mix. of all the places to encounter it... [2021-06-09T15:07:31Z] i've never actually seen a bitrate that high before [2021-06-09T16:03:26Z] so [2021-06-09T16:03:31Z] today in "what the fuck is this shit" [2021-06-09T16:03:57Z] apparently, when performing calculations in C with constants, it will treat them as regular ints [2021-06-09T16:04:02Z] even if the result will be stored in, say, a long [2021-06-09T16:04:05Z] . -. [2021-06-09T16:04:13Z] this is, of course, not mentioned anywhere in K&R [2021-06-09T16:04:22Z] at least nowhere I've read yet [2021-06-09T16:05:39Z] this means that powl(2, 64)-1 is valid, but (2*2*2*2...*2)-1 is not [2021-06-09T16:08:10Z] on the topic of k&r, I have been thinking of buying it. do you recommend it? [2021-06-09T16:08:27Z] i mean, I've learned a lot from just the first chapter [2021-06-09T16:08:35Z] if you can get a decent quality copy for cheap, go for it [2021-06-09T16:08:43Z] otherwise, you can always get it for free [2021-06-09T16:08:44Z] it's the ansi c bible [2021-06-09T16:08:44Z] :^) [2021-06-09T16:09:15Z] dilyn: yeah, that was part of my consideration [2021-06-09T16:09:24Z] alright, i'll take a look, thanks [2021-06-09T16:26:29Z] midfavila does that happen with const doubles too? [2021-06-09T16:26:46Z] probably. I haven't experimented with const [2021-06-09T16:28:10Z] oh you mean like "literally" the number 2 as opposed to an int var with value 2 [2021-06-09T16:28:35Z] i'm slow on the uptake sorry, lol [2021-06-09T16:28:54Z] yes, literally [2021-06-09T16:34:42Z] in python2, integer literals result in an integer. in python3, it defaults to a float result unless you use '//' instead of '/'. multiplication depends on whether any of the operands is a float [2021-06-09T16:34:47Z] fun stuff [2021-06-09T16:48:12Z] midfavila: if you want a constant to be a long, suffix it with L [2021-06-09T16:48:22Z] yeah, I know that now [2021-06-09T16:51:05Z] i found out, that there is a linux user group in my city and I am tempted to go there, but introvert intensifies...^^ [2021-06-09T16:51:27Z] i would at least give it a shot [2021-06-09T16:51:37Z] i'm sure people will be interested if you start talking about KISS [2021-06-09T16:52:26Z] yeah, i guess. i always was kinda bummed because there was nobody around to talk about linux [2021-06-09T16:52:50Z] im sure they will be super stoked when they hear from my hipster distro [2021-06-09T16:54:01Z] i wish my city had a LUG [2021-06-09T16:54:08Z] instead I have to deal with you nerds [2021-06-09T16:54:15Z] >:c [2021-06-09T16:55:03Z] ime you find better people to talk about computers with online than irl [2021-06-09T16:55:48Z] yeah [2021-06-09T16:55:54Z] it's the same with any topic [2021-06-09T16:55:59Z] that doesnt mean there isnt potential. its just that there are a lot more people connected to the internet, than for example in a city [2021-06-09T16:56:21Z] so it is easier to find likeminded people and a space where everybody hangs out [2021-06-09T16:57:55Z] Yeah I only have 2 friends who can somewhat accurately even say what Linux is [2021-06-09T16:58:21Z] nobody I know cares about free software :( [2021-06-09T16:58:38Z] they probably have better things to care about :P [2021-06-09T16:58:44Z] :( [2021-06-09T17:00:12Z] I sometimes forget the word kiss has a meaning irl [2021-06-09T17:00:22Z] lol [2021-06-09T17:00:27Z] i got one friend who just got into linux, and one teacher, with whom I rarley have contact, otherwise noone around me uses linux [2021-06-09T17:00:44Z] No one's got an android phone ? [2021-06-09T17:00:49Z] ... [2021-06-09T17:00:56Z] not talking about that linux [2021-06-09T17:01:16Z] imo android doesnt count [2021-06-09T17:02:20Z] it's ok it will be replaced with fuchsia [2021-06-09T17:14:00Z] fuchsia? [2021-06-09T17:14:09Z] Oh, Google's latest shiny new way to show ads [2021-06-09T17:14:12Z] it's their nex- [2021-06-09T17:14:13Z] yeah [2021-06-09T17:14:18Z] it's supposed to replace chromeOS too [2021-06-09T17:14:31Z] mmm, it's shipped with Nest already [2021-06-09T17:14:37Z] that's some swift progress [2021-06-09T17:14:56Z] and it's a microkernel, so nobody can hack adware into the adware [2021-06-09T17:23:32Z] i'm being bullied about my indentation style aaaa ;w; [2021-06-09T17:25:10Z] is there a C equivalent for python's black? [2021-06-09T17:25:31Z] Clang-format [2021-06-09T17:25:35Z] I guess [2021-06-09T17:25:40Z] >using clang [2021-06-09T17:25:44Z] s m h [2021-06-09T17:25:53Z] I use zstd too [2021-06-09T17:26:02Z] how unbased can you get [2021-06-09T17:26:06Z] next thing I know you'll be using sway [2021-06-09T17:26:09Z] Also chromium [2021-06-09T17:26:12Z] Sway too [2021-06-09T17:26:15Z] * midfavila vomits [2021-06-09T17:26:34Z] do you at least spare yourself the pain of systemd and the GNU tools [2021-06-09T17:26:51Z] Yes [2021-06-09T17:26:53Z] Only gnugrep [2021-06-09T17:27:04Z] then there is some small sliver of hope left for you after all [2021-06-09T17:28:25Z] midfavila: what indentation do you use? [2021-06-09T17:29:21Z] right now it's just a single "level" of indentation every time a loop begins or there's an opening brace [2021-06-09T17:30:14Z] so like, void main()\n{\n for(...;...;...)\n {\n stuff;\n^H^H^H}\n^H^H^H} [2021-06-09T17:30:17Z] if that makes sense [2021-06-09T17:30:45Z] i also apply that to conditionals [2021-06-09T17:31:24Z] if(foo==bar)\n baz(bar)\n^H^H^Helse\n baz(foo) [2021-06-09T17:35:15Z] i'm used to writing lisp programs in a similar manner [2021-06-09T17:36:09Z] smh there's a reason they call the one true brace style the one true brace style [2021-06-09T17:36:43Z] okay, [2021-06-09T17:36:44Z] but, [2021-06-09T17:36:48Z] have you considered [2021-06-09T17:36:55Z] that that's just like [2021-06-09T17:36:57Z] your opinion? [2021-06-09T17:37:09Z] it's not, that's what everyone calls it [2021-06-09T17:37:21Z] people also call python a good language [2021-06-09T17:37:27Z] this, of course, doesn't make it a true statement [2021-06-09T17:38:58Z] It's true mid [2021-06-09T17:39:05Z] lies [2021-06-09T17:39:35Z] you're reading K&R and believing everything else they say but not their indentation style [2021-06-09T17:40:25Z] i'm reading K&R and beliving what's been shown because the only thing they've shown has been indepedently verifiable objective fact about C [2021-06-09T17:40:34Z] aside from the indentation, which they explicitly state is personal preference [2021-06-09T17:40:36Z] * midfavila shrugs [2021-06-09T17:47:53Z] jeez, why would you choose to die on that hill [2021-06-09T17:48:01Z] just use what's the preferred style for C [2021-06-09T17:48:04Z] or any language [2021-06-09T17:48:24Z] I prefer tabs, but there's a reason I don't use it when writing Zig or Python [2021-06-09T17:48:34Z] there isn't really a preferred style... there are definitely unfavoured styles though :P [2021-06-09T17:48:39Z] ^^ [2021-06-09T17:48:47Z] kiedtl, gamers don't die, they respawn [2021-06-09T17:48:48Z] * midfavila dabs [2021-06-09T17:48:49Z] either tabs or 4 spaces are good for indentation [2021-06-09T17:48:57Z] as long as you don't mix them... [2021-06-09T17:48:57Z] tabs is a hill I will die on :D [2021-06-09T17:49:06Z] tabs are lame because they aren't always 4 spaces [2021-06-09T17:49:18Z] tabs are lame because they aren't always 8 spaces [2021-06-09T17:49:29Z] as long as we can agree that they're lame [2021-06-09T17:49:31Z] though that's probably a good thing [2021-06-09T17:49:39Z] you can redefine what a tab is in your editor [2021-06-09T17:49:42Z] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [2021-06-09T17:49:46Z] I don't care, to be honest [2021-06-09T17:49:52Z] some editors [2021-06-09T17:49:54Z] I choose to lose sleep over other matters [2021-06-09T17:49:55Z] it is a good thing -- for accessibility [2021-06-09T17:50:28Z] but if you can redefine what a tab is... wouldn't it still be inserting spaces? just x number of them? [2021-06-09T17:50:33Z] as opposed to a literal tab [2021-06-09T17:50:43Z] no, it's a display setting [2021-06-09T17:50:46Z] ew [2021-06-09T17:50:58Z] midfavila: you can do that with vim [2021-06-09T17:51:02Z] expandtab or something [2021-06-09T17:51:05Z] idc about vim [2021-06-09T17:51:06Z] and tabwidth [2021-06-09T17:51:15Z] https://old.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/c8drjo/nobody_talks_about_the_real_reason_to_use_tabs/ [2021-06-09T17:51:33Z] midfavila do you ever react to anything with something other than a pointless remark like "ew"? [2021-06-09T17:51:47Z] only on mondays [2021-06-09T17:51:49Z] do you ever use your brain to consider what is being proposed? [2021-06-09T17:52:14Z] when I've not already made up my mind, yup. [2021-06-09T17:52:38Z] so you just choose to ignore all further information once you've made a decision [2021-06-09T17:52:46Z] ultimately, I write my programs in the way I choose, because I'm the one writing them [2021-06-09T17:52:56Z] if I want to contribute to another project, I'll use their formatting guidelines [2021-06-09T17:54:36Z] also, when it comes to the "but my editor lets me change how tabs are displayed!" - I don't really care. I work with plain ASCII in xterm. that's totally irrelevant to me, and programs that use tabs fly off the edge of my terminal [2021-06-09T17:54:46Z] Fair enough. I just hope you'll reconsider that position if others want to contribute as well. [2021-06-09T17:54:50Z] literal tabs in xterm are eight spaces, which is far too much [2021-06-09T17:55:00Z] ...which you can change [2021-06-09T17:55:05Z] I cannot. [2021-06-09T17:55:08Z] Yes, you can. [2021-06-09T17:55:13Z] Have *you* used tine? [2021-06-09T17:55:25Z] because I'm telling you, literal tabs are inserted as literal tabs. [2021-06-09T17:55:33Z] you can change the number of spaces tab inserts, and that's it. [2021-06-09T17:55:49Z] Ah, I see. My bad. [2021-06-09T17:55:57Z] yeah. [2021-06-09T17:56:04Z] but it's w/e. [2021-06-09T17:56:08Z] you can change how your terminal displays tabs though [2021-06-09T17:56:19Z] tl;dr use the formatting guidelines of the project [2021-06-09T17:56:22Z] * midfavila shrugs [2021-06-09T17:56:34Z] but 1 tab = 8 spaces is totally fine too [2021-06-09T17:56:39Z] been using it for quite a while [2021-06-09T17:56:57Z] tabs are gross [2021-06-09T17:57:03Z] spaces are the way [2021-06-09T17:57:09Z] i like to see the program I'm writing [2021-06-09T17:57:13Z] is everyone in this channel 12 [2021-06-09T17:57:18Z] probably [2021-06-09T17:57:25Z] Yay, dilyn's here to tell us the road to nirvana [2021-06-09T17:57:30Z] if you want to use tabs for muh 'cessibility, june, go for it [2021-06-09T17:57:46Z] but if we're gonna talk about *that*, there are much bigger accessibility issues with modern systems [2021-06-09T17:57:50Z] june: I ask myself the same question for just about every general-purpose chat channel. [2021-06-09T17:58:08Z] And this channel is becoming more like a general-purpose chat channel every month. [2021-06-09T17:58:36Z] if you use tabs, you don't depend on editor features [2021-06-09T17:59:07Z] :v [2021-06-09T17:59:11Z] in editors that don't have the ability to autoindent or insert spaces with tabs, I just... [2021-06-09T17:59:13Z] use the spacebar [2021-06-09T17:59:18Z] midfavila: the ST command in tine controls the width of literal tabs [2021-06-09T17:59:39Z] lol [2021-06-09T17:59:40Z] if so then fair enough [2021-06-09T17:59:48Z] >if so then fair enough [2021-06-09T17:59:53Z] but I thought you made up your mind already? [2021-06-09T18:00:18Z] i'm still not going to change. i was proven wrong on one point [2021-06-09T18:00:28Z] and ultimately, i have a preference for spaces over tabs. [2021-06-09T18:00:39Z] if that makes me an evil terrible person then w/e [2021-06-09T18:01:00Z] what makes you terrible is reacting to all differing opinions with "ew" and "gross" and "fuck that" [2021-06-09T18:01:18Z] Anything that isn't 30 years old is garbage [2021-06-09T18:01:18Z] shockingly, I don't do that with all opinions. [2021-06-09T18:01:26Z] I've yet to see one. [2021-06-09T18:01:31Z] sounds like a you problem. [2021-06-09T18:02:29Z] man, a good ol' tabs vs spaces debate really gets the best out of people [2021-06-09T18:02:39Z] wait until we talk about endianness [2021-06-09T18:03:55Z] I think we're all pretty much on the same page with endianness [2021-06-09T18:04:01Z] the smaller the better [2021-06-09T18:04:21Z] blefescu heretics are trash [2021-06-09T18:04:32Z] banish the big-endian heathen [2021-06-09T18:05:11Z] eugh, I need to tinker with my router's DNS settings... sometimes it takes two or three requests to get a response [2021-06-09T18:05:31Z] it's always DNS that causes problems [2021-06-09T18:06:08Z] :v [2021-06-09T18:06:24Z] even when you don't think it's dns [2021-06-09T18:06:36Z] display flickering? DNS [2021-06-09T18:06:38Z] believe it or not [2021-06-09T18:06:39Z] DNS [2021-06-09T18:06:42Z] input latency? DNS [2021-06-09T18:06:52Z] missing milk for your cereal? DNS [2021-06-09T18:09:36Z] a bit behind in the conversation, however I just switched to using 4 space [2021-06-09T18:09:50Z] mostly just for consistency [2021-06-09T18:09:59Z] but I don't want to relaunch the conversation [2021-06-09T18:10:18Z] i regret my potentially provocative statment [2021-06-09T18:10:43Z] you don't use tabs!!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! [2021-06-09T18:10:53Z] that's okay, because that's your personal preference [2021-06-09T18:11:10Z] thank you, mid [2021-06-09T18:12:10Z] acheam: https://viewsourcecode.org/snaptoken/kilo/ stumbled upon this, maybe you find it useful [2021-06-09T18:12:19Z] kilo is interesting [2021-06-09T18:13:32Z] testuser[m]1: thank you! [2021-06-09T18:14:02Z] hmm. I should probably work through that once I'm done with K&R [2021-06-09T18:14:16Z] why dont you just write some software? [2021-06-09T18:14:29Z] get started on that calendar program [2021-06-09T18:14:50Z] because I have poor self-esteem and feel that I'm incapable of writing useful software until I've reached an arbitrarily high bar [2021-06-09T18:14:57Z] if you want the honest answer [2021-06-09T18:14:59Z] oh [2021-06-09T18:15:12Z] the "mid" answer is "because I'm lazy" [2021-06-09T18:15:30Z] i think you should just do it. it doesn't matter if its useful to other people, just to you [2021-06-09T18:15:36Z] heck it doesn't even have to be useful to you [2021-06-09T18:15:38Z] just fun [2021-06-09T18:15:48Z] something something the journey not the destination [2021-06-09T18:15:50Z] if I can't read the language I can't write software. K&R teaches that. [2021-06-09T18:15:53Z] * midfavila shrugs [2021-06-09T18:16:21Z] but I do have some projects lined up. [2021-06-09T18:17:33Z] is it weird that I can identify programs based on the coil whine it makes launching? [2021-06-09T18:17:41Z] like, I hear one pattern, and I know thats firefox [2021-06-09T18:17:44Z] not really [2021-06-09T18:17:45Z] I hear another, and I know its emacs [2021-06-09T18:17:51Z] it makes a lot of sense [2021-06-09T18:18:12Z] I can hear a gtk program segfaulting before it actually does [2021-06-09T18:18:17Z] or at least, chorizo [2021-06-09T18:18:18Z] i mean, it's just coil whine from your CPU, right? [2021-06-09T18:18:23Z] or something else? [2021-06-09T18:18:23Z] im not sure tbh [2021-06-09T18:18:26Z] it could be from the ssd [2021-06-09T18:18:35Z] i've had whine from my CPU and been able to tell what's going on based off that [2021-06-09T18:18:48Z] it's why I have xosview in my FVWM config [2021-06-09T18:18:57Z] makes it super easy to tell what's going on at a glance [2021-06-09T18:20:45Z] xosview? [2021-06-09T18:20:53Z] ancient system monitor program [2021-06-09T18:21:35Z] can handle memory (including slab, swap, etc), CPUs (load, average over time, individual threads...), arbitrary network interfaces, disk access, and more [2021-06-09T18:21:43Z] it's a really awesome little trinket [2021-06-09T18:21:55Z] hm nice [2021-06-09T18:22:07Z] i have it packaged, if you want to try it [2021-06-09T18:22:23Z] i think it works on BSD and the proprietary unices, even, which is neato [2021-06-09T18:25:01Z] I just start writing stuff without knowing anything, looking up "how to do xyz" as i need [2021-06-09T18:25:27Z] i should probably start doing that, but I always feel like a dumbass when I do [2021-06-09T18:26:00Z] thats my style too [2021-06-09T18:26:12Z] usually leads to shitty code [2021-06-09T18:26:21Z] but I learn for the next time [2021-06-09T18:26:53Z] i'd rather spend time studying the documentation until I'm comfortable with the system as a whole, but I need to work on being able to just jump in [2021-06-09T18:42:30Z] arguably the best way to learn C is just to simply pick a simple problem you have and solve it [2021-06-09T18:43:04Z] for sure [2021-06-09T18:43:13Z] the problem there is that any problems I have are easier to solve in shell than C [2021-06-09T18:43:21Z] working through K&R seems more... hm. Theoretically motivated. ANSI C is nice and all, but so limiting that learning *that* instead is like refusing to learn about calculus until you've mastered multiplication [2021-06-09T18:43:42Z] ...er... is arithmetic not a prerequisite for calculus? [2021-06-09T18:43:54Z] eh [2021-06-09T18:44:16Z] but I mean more like "I must memorize these multiplication tables in their entirety before I behold the almighty integral" [2021-06-09T18:44:35Z] Oh. Well, that's fair [2021-06-09T18:44:41Z] i don't approach K&R in that way [2021-06-09T18:44:50Z] ...honestly, I think multiplication tables are kind of stupid... [2021-06-09T18:44:58Z] lol [2021-06-09T18:45:05Z] they are. addition is the way [2021-06-09T18:45:17Z] well, I mean, just teach someone a proper strategy for multiplication [2021-06-09T18:45:22Z] yes [2021-06-09T18:45:23Z] addition [2021-06-09T18:45:29Z] well, yes [2021-06-09T18:45:42Z] I'm only using K&R to learn fundamental principles [2021-06-09T19:20:29Z] https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=gkLvpt9Z3fA sotd suggestion acheam [2021-06-09T19:33:18Z] midfavila: [2021-06-09T19:33:29Z] tenk u [2021-06-09T19:33:49Z] the protomen are really good imo [2021-06-09T19:35:10Z] are they made by protonmail? [2021-06-09T19:35:22Z] nope. [2021-06-09T19:35:42Z] Anyone with a steam solution in kiss? [2021-06-09T19:35:57Z] chroot or appimage/flatpak [2021-06-09T19:36:09Z] there's no way to run steam natively on musl kiss [2021-06-09T19:45:21Z] bear in mind that appimages require glibc, and flatpaks require pulseaudio [2021-06-09T19:45:30Z] a chroot is the most KISS way [2021-06-09T19:46:28Z] ...oh, right, I forgot that appimages don't actually include what you need to run the program [2021-06-09T19:46:33Z] *nice packaging format guys* [2021-06-09T19:47:30Z] I do chroot [2021-06-09T19:47:39Z] But proton isnt work well [2021-06-09T19:48:18Z] Only run natives [2021-06-09T19:48:51Z] proton is pretty taxing under the best of circumstances [2021-06-09T19:49:12Z] you might be better off installing a minimal gkiss alongside your main system, or something [2021-06-09T19:49:19Z] and then reboot into that for games. [2021-06-09T19:49:21Z] * midfavila shrugs [2021-06-09T19:51:18Z] You mean a dualboot kiss musl and kiss glibc? [2021-06-09T19:51:25Z] Yeah. [2021-06-09T19:51:54Z] Yeah this is a good idea [2021-06-09T20:33:05Z] does the glibc compat thing from alpine work on kiss [2021-06-09T20:36:18Z] oh it's actually from adelie [2021-06-09T20:36:20Z] https://git.adelielinux.org/adelie/gcompat [2021-06-09T20:36:28Z] never used it but looks interesting [2021-06-09T20:40:05Z] I think I used it for one thing one time [2021-06-09T20:40:20Z] probably works... mostly okay [2021-06-09T21:11:17Z] Hiiii! [2021-06-09T21:11:19Z] Stuff: done [2021-06-09T21:11:22Z] Soymilk: removed [2021-06-09T21:11:36Z] shitpost mode: engaged [2021-06-09T21:11:43Z] always [2021-06-09T21:12:10Z] welcome back, commander [2021-06-09T21:12:22Z] thanks! [2021-06-09T21:13:05Z] exciting news from Dylan's gh [2021-06-09T21:13:13Z] owo? [2021-06-09T21:13:18Z] dylan? [2021-06-09T21:13:23Z] https://teddit.net/pics/w:null_eyzwb3ik38471.png [2021-06-09T21:13:31Z] YES [2021-06-09T21:14:18Z] Nice. [2021-06-09T21:14:38Z] https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs [2021-06-09T21:14:51Z] me rn: [2021-06-09T21:15:06Z] s/me/#kisslinux/ [2021-06-09T21:15:42Z] fresh 2007 memes [2021-06-09T21:16:02Z] only the best for dylan's official update [2021-06-09T21:16:08Z] I wonder how this compares to quark [2021-06-09T21:16:10Z] https://sqlite.org/althttpd/doc/trunk/althttpd.md [2021-06-09T21:16:44Z] hmm [2021-06-09T21:16:49Z] i wouldn't mind writing an httpd [2021-06-09T21:16:58Z] i feel like it would be a fantastic exercise, if nothing else [2021-06-09T21:17:02Z] midhttpd [2021-06-09T21:17:11Z] mhd [2021-06-09T21:17:12Z] yes [2021-06-09T21:17:19Z] i name my programs like I name my variables [2021-06-09T21:17:19Z] best webserver is cat behind inetd [2021-06-09T21:17:20Z] btw is it public domain too? [2021-06-09T21:17:26Z] I'd assume so? [2021-06-09T21:17:47Z] does that thing of top ofo the source code count as a license? [2021-06-09T21:17:52Z] s/ofo/of/ [2021-06-09T21:17:53Z] >license: public domain except corporations can't use or contribute to it [2021-06-09T21:18:06Z] time to make the MPL [2021-06-09T21:18:10Z] already a thing [2021-06-09T21:18:15Z] and it sucks [2021-06-09T21:18:17Z] really? [2021-06-09T21:18:19Z] yes [2021-06-09T21:18:22Z] mozilla public license [2021-06-09T21:18:24Z] aka [2021-06-09T21:18:26Z] FUCK [2021-06-09T21:18:31Z] "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THOSE ARE MY COLORED PENCIL DRAWINGS!!!" [2021-06-09T21:18:56Z] bruh [2021-06-09T21:19:23Z] what about the MID license? [2021-06-09T21:19:32Z] ml [2021-06-09T21:19:41Z] we've only got three letters to work with, here [2021-06-09T21:20:05Z] exactly [2021-06-09T21:20:07Z] MIT -> MID [2021-06-09T21:20:34Z] if I *were* to write a license, it would probably be somewhere between BSD and CC, with the added clause of "corporations bad" [2021-06-09T21:20:46Z] don't we already have enough shitpost meme licenses [2021-06-09T21:20:49Z] no [2021-06-09T21:20:53Z] never [2021-06-09T21:20:54Z] the collection must grow [2021-06-09T21:20:57Z] expand [2021-06-09T21:20:59Z] absolutely [2021-06-09T21:21:01Z] bloat [2021-06-09T21:21:08Z] please expand license [2021-06-09T21:21:17Z] ^H^H^H^H^Hinnovate:tm: and synergize:r: [2021-06-09T21:22:38Z] we really need a license that somehow uses docker/containers in its logic [2021-06-09T21:22:55Z] "this software can only be redistributed in binary form via containers" [2021-06-09T21:23:10Z] lmao yes [2021-06-09T21:26:15Z] oh boy, I get to use my second library in K&R now!!! [2021-06-09T21:26:26Z] stdio.h *and* ctype.h [2021-06-09T21:26:33Z] absolutely crazy [2021-06-09T21:26:34Z] so many options, I might just lose track of them all [2021-06-09T21:26:43Z] that's way too much header right there [2021-06-09T21:34:58Z] it's like [2021-06-09T21:35:00Z] header*2 [2021-06-09T21:36:04Z] too much [2021-06-09T21:36:35Z]