[2021-06-15T00:09:25Z] jedavies: I have now tested serious engine with assets for first/second encounter. Both start(menu) but when starting the actual game, both crash and segfault. [2021-06-15T00:10:46Z] Interesting, you were doing same as the arch build file? [2021-06-15T00:12:37Z] In the end probably, but I made my own build file. http://ix.io/3pYS [2021-06-15T00:13:40Z] claudia: I put the variable scroll speed stuff into chorizo [2021-06-15T00:13:45Z] thanks for the rec :) [2021-06-15T00:14:11Z] acheam: nice! [2021-06-15T00:14:37Z] I am still about to try it out extensively. Haven found the muse to tinker with it. [2021-06-15T00:14:56Z] But this is great stuff ^^ [2021-06-15T00:20:50Z] jedavies: Ah, and I put my the compiled binary and the single .gro file into base/Bin from my gamecopy, like mentioned in the readme. https://github.com/ptitSeb/Serious-Engine/blob/master/README.md#copy-official-game-data-optional [2021-06-15T00:23:14Z] Thanks, will try out your script [2021-06-15T00:28:20Z] noocsharp: mesa took 45 min to build [2021-06-15T00:32:39Z] Kiss woks well with toybox? [2021-06-15T00:59:39Z] kimerus: There's nothing that would stop it from not working well! [2021-06-15T00:59:54Z] as long as it has sed -i then everything should work [2021-06-15T01:00:12Z] Then why kiss had busybox has default? [2021-06-15T01:00:31Z] Toybox is more lightweight [2021-06-15T01:06:51Z] jedavies: the stock package in repo/extra? [2021-06-15T01:07:13Z] that's not too bad [2021-06-15T01:11:19Z] noocsharp: some changes from stock: http://0x0.st/-LU0.sh [2021-06-15T01:12:22Z] Don't think I'll be building much on that machine, much quicker to cross build [2021-06-15T01:12:31Z] on a quicker machine [2021-06-15T01:17:33Z] ah i see, not as good as i thought, but still reasonable for a new architecture without billions of dollars behind it [2021-06-15T01:18:28Z] actually maybe a few billion dollars, but not trillions like arm or x86 [2021-06-15T01:19:00Z] kimerus: is toybox really more light than busybox [2021-06-15T01:19:16Z] busybox boasts about how goot it is for embeded hardware [2021-06-15T01:19:20Z] good [2021-06-15T01:23:13Z] Good answer [2021-06-15T01:23:15Z] D [2021-06-15T01:24:59Z] I don't know if is major but i think the major of kiss users don't even use a embedded hardware [2021-06-15T01:31:53Z] either way if you don't like busybox it's trivially easy to fork the rootfs to use toybox [2021-06-15T01:33:18Z] and everything will work fine because packages don't explicitly depend on busybox [2021-06-15T01:34:35Z] also kimerus, you can strip down busybox to icnlude less utilities if you are really concirned about that kind of stuff [2021-06-15T01:38:19Z] Yeah i know [2021-06-15T01:38:51Z] I will go with sbase or similar stuff, less complicated [2021-06-15T01:39:43Z] . [2021-06-15T01:40:20Z] hello [2021-06-15T01:40:21Z] friends [2021-06-15T01:42:33Z] hello [2021-06-15T01:42:40Z] hi [2021-06-15T01:44:35Z] Sweets: I didn't realize you were the one who created hummingbird init lol [2021-06-15T01:44:41Z] I've used it before in an LFS install [2021-06-15T01:49:27Z] hey, Sweets [2021-06-15T01:49:33Z] what's up? [2021-06-15T01:53:34Z] GalaxyNova ye, I made hummingbird [2021-06-15T01:53:55Z] midfavila- working on memory injection rn [2021-06-15T01:54:19Z] Sorry - "memory injection"? In what context? [2021-06-15T01:54:47Z] in the context of finding an arbitrary address in memory and making it spawn a thread that has elevated priveleges [2021-06-15T01:54:48Z] macos [2021-06-15T01:55:22Z] That's neat. Apart from, you know, Mac :P /s [2021-06-15T01:55:32Z] macos goes hard [2021-06-15T01:55:56Z] the thing that bothers me is like [2021-06-15T01:55:57Z] idk it's just odd that you use mac and are interested in distros like KISS [2021-06-15T01:56:07Z] 1) not a fan of some of the stuff Aqua does [2021-06-15T01:56:21Z] (but the titlebar along the top that integrates with the current focused program is really cool) [2021-06-15T01:56:33Z] im pretty sure aqua has been dead for like 10 years [2021-06-15T01:56:35Z] GalaxyNova I mean, it is *nix [2021-06-15T01:56:55Z] ...wait, isn't Aqua what the "DE" so to speak of MacOS is called? [2021-06-15T01:57:02Z] I swear to god it is. [2021-06-15T01:57:24Z] Sweets: it's very different from KISS or Linux in general [2021-06-15T01:57:26Z] that and I've always been interested in kiss, even before dylan made it [2021-06-15T01:57:35Z] maximum hipster [2021-06-15T01:57:41Z] dylan and I were talking about making distros before he made it lol [2021-06-15T01:57:42Z] "I was into this thing before it even EXISTED" [2021-06-15T01:57:55Z] I mean [2021-06-15T01:57:55Z] yeah [2021-06-15T01:58:05Z] dylan's my friend, I like watching my friends and their projects succeed [2021-06-15T01:58:26Z] hence I support it a lot too :) [2021-06-15T01:59:14Z] unrelated, but on the topic of macos guis - platinum is super aesthetic [2021-06-15T01:59:40Z] anyways, GalaxyNova, idk, it is pretty different, but you go deep enough past the userspace and eventually it's all just some weird purgatory of pain and memory addresses [2021-06-15T01:59:52Z] plus most unix like systems work just about the same [2021-06-15T02:00:08Z] something something "I know this..!" [2021-06-15T02:00:40Z] macos gui isn't bad. macos really succeeds in GUIs [2021-06-15T02:00:52Z] that's one thing I can't not give apple [2021-06-15T02:01:00Z] they clearly put a lot of effort into look and feel [2021-06-15T02:01:04Z] very polished [2021-06-15T02:01:15Z] just... not polished in a way that I personally like. kek [2021-06-15T02:01:15Z] have you seen https://annoying.technology ? [2021-06-15T02:01:24Z] most everything they do is polished, part of why I prefer macos to linux [2021-06-15T02:01:26Z] it's a bunch of counter-examples [2021-06-15T02:01:28Z] yes but its for $$$ not for the customers sake directly [2021-06-15T02:01:31Z] poettering is ruining the linux userspace [2021-06-15T02:01:35Z] along with freedesktop [2021-06-15T02:01:44Z] what's wrong with freedesktop? [2021-06-15T02:01:54Z] freedesktop, GNU, suckless, poettering, they're what's wrong with linux [2021-06-15T02:01:54Z] xorg, xdg base dirs, etc etc? [2021-06-15T02:02:10Z] acheam: X, Wayland, xdg, systemd, the list goes on [2021-06-15T02:02:12Z] without GNU thered be no modern desktop linux the way we know it [2021-06-15T02:02:18Z] don't tell me you're one of those "fragmentation is why Linux failed" people [2021-06-15T02:02:29Z] I'm not saying GNU isn't without credit [2021-06-15T02:02:34Z] doesn't mean I like them though [2021-06-15T02:02:36Z] and no [2021-06-15T02:02:37Z] I'm not [2021-06-15T02:02:38Z] Sweets: so youre just suggesting abandon display servers? [2021-06-15T02:02:45Z] what's the actual issue with freedesktop [2021-06-15T02:02:55Z] I'm suggesting that X11 is old and Wayland isn't the solution [2021-06-15T02:03:00Z] i mean, I kinda get the FDesktop issues [2021-06-15T02:03:09Z] okay, but its a novel approach [2021-06-15T02:03:09Z] freedesktop as an organization is horrid, especially when it comes to documentation [2021-06-15T02:03:10Z] they just arbitrarily establish "standards" [2021-06-15T02:03:16Z] ^ [2021-06-15T02:03:22Z] that - honestly - kind of suck [2021-06-15T02:03:25Z] someone's gotta do it [2021-06-15T02:03:32Z] not like ISO or ANSI will [2021-06-15T02:03:42Z] yeah, well, that's why there's the ICCCM and EWMH and whatnot... [2021-06-15T02:03:58Z] ICCCM and EWMH are both bad solutions to arbitrary problems [2021-06-15T02:04:06Z] ewmh in particular is horrid [2021-06-15T02:04:06Z] i'm not saying they're *good* [2021-06-15T02:04:21Z] just that they're less awful than most of what FD and XDG pull [2021-06-15T02:04:22Z] you really want to go through ICCCM to decide where desktop icons should be in the file hierarchy? [2021-06-15T02:04:30Z] i mean [2021-06-15T02:04:37Z] /usr/share/pixmaps or w/e [2021-06-15T02:04:40Z] it already exists [2021-06-15T02:05:24Z] i feel like the problem with linux isn't that there are too many or not enough standards [2021-06-15T02:05:30Z] fonts also [2021-06-15T02:05:31Z] it's that everyone thinks they know what's best for linux [2021-06-15T02:05:35Z] fonts are the worst on linux [2021-06-15T02:05:44Z] and they try to enforce that on everyone else, instead of building their own little walled garden [2021-06-15T02:05:58Z] jokes on you, I built my own little walled garden, AND lived in it [2021-06-15T02:06:02Z] i think a good example of the "walled garden" approach would be like [2021-06-15T02:06:03Z] idk [2021-06-15T02:06:04Z] for quite a few years [2021-06-15T02:06:05Z] enlightenment [2021-06-15T02:06:09Z] enlightenment is really cool [2021-06-15T02:06:32Z] where they have their own infrastructure and stuff, and just kinda do their own thing and stick with it [2021-06-15T02:06:50Z] instead of "innovating:tm:" every few years like GNOME or whatever [2021-06-15T02:07:15Z] can we go back to gnome 2.x days [2021-06-15T02:07:18Z] things were simpler [2021-06-15T02:07:18Z] GNOME 1 [2021-06-15T02:07:35Z] Sawfish >>> Metacity [2021-06-15T02:07:35Z] ...at least I think gnome 2 used metacity... [2021-06-15T02:08:10Z] disclaimer, the only time I've ever used GNOME was one time when I installed Kali on a burner system [2021-06-15T02:08:20Z] it was... not very good [2021-06-15T02:08:35Z] I'd really have to dig it up, but throw back to when GNOME 3.x-4.x devs were trying to get rid of desktop notifications because "nobody uses them" and the devs had never "seen them be used" [2021-06-15T02:08:48Z] cringe [2021-06-15T02:09:15Z] they have to polish the Gnome:tm: Experience:r: [2021-06-15T02:09:16Z] yeah that was a good one [2021-06-15T02:09:36Z] in GNOME 500 there won't even be buttons [2021-06-15T02:09:50Z] it'll just autostart your browser [2021-06-15T02:09:59Z] gnome 500 won't even come for a display, you just have to imagine it [2021-06-15T02:10:03Z] lmao [2021-06-15T02:10:18Z] "now you can customize it all you want. fuckers." [2021-06-15T02:10:33Z] no, I still have to pay for a theme on gnome-look [2021-06-15T02:10:46Z] i like to stereotype gnome developers as "artistes" [2021-06-15T02:11:09Z] really self-righteous fart huffers who think their post-post-modernist cubism is super deep and shit [2021-06-15T02:11:15Z] they're artists in the same sense that I'm an artist for rubbing my nutsack on a foggy window and you can see the exact path I took over it [2021-06-15T02:11:24Z] but Sweets [2021-06-15T02:11:34Z] that's clearly a critique of the capitalist patriarchy [2021-06-15T02:12:05Z] someone'll pay good money to hang that window on their wall [2021-06-15T02:12:06Z] clearly. [2021-06-15T02:12:38Z] i think if you *really* wanted to have a critique of modern society, you know what you do? [2021-06-15T02:12:56Z] create a parody of the old statues, like The Thinker or something [2021-06-15T02:13:00Z] but he's just staring at a smartphone [2021-06-15T02:13:17Z] make the whole statue super bland and uninteresting and then go crazy on the smartphone details [2021-06-15T02:13:26Z] nobody would see it, they're too busy doing the same thing the statue is doing [2021-06-15T02:13:52Z] hmm [2021-06-15T02:13:54Z] true [2021-06-15T02:14:04Z] i think if I created such a statue, I'd call it "The Socialite" [2021-06-15T02:36:02Z] Sweets: why is GNU bad? [2021-06-15T02:36:27Z] I mean yeah their tools are not very standards complaint but as long as they are not part of the core system it's fine with me [2021-06-15T04:16:13Z] https://github.com/decfan21/DECwindowsRedBlue [2021-06-15T04:16:23Z] holy shit you guys [2021-06-15T04:16:25Z] this theme is fantastic [2021-06-15T04:21:41Z] midfavila-laptop: Kali doesn't provide a good gnome experience [2021-06-15T04:21:47Z] I wouldn't judge just off of that [2021-06-15T04:21:50Z] kali doesn't provide a good anything experience [2021-06-15T04:22:02Z] i don't even like it for use as a pentesting toolkit [2021-06-15T04:22:26Z] blackarch is unironically better in a lot of ways. includes less shit out of the box and has just as many if not more tools available [2021-06-15T04:23:45Z] i know that the ebic heckers in here will probably roast me for my take but idec at this point [2021-06-15T04:23:55Z] Hi [2021-06-15T04:23:58Z] ih [2021-06-15T04:23:58Z] hi [2021-06-15T04:24:35Z] bleh, gonna have to rebind my caps lock to ctrl, on my laptop [2021-06-15T04:24:44Z] i'm already starting to experience the effects of emacs pinky thanks to stumpwm [2021-06-15T04:35:54Z] dilyn: can you change this git apply to patch -p1 https://github.com/kiss-community/repo/blob/master/extra/firefox-esr/build [2021-06-15T04:35:56Z] For some reason when i updated it, busybox patch was having trouble applying some part of the patch, gnu patch was failing on another part. Only git apply worked [2021-06-15T04:47:35Z] just added a modeline to my tiling wm config, am I cool yet [2021-06-15T04:48:19Z] What's a modeline [2021-06-15T04:48:32Z] ever use emacs or vim or w/e? [2021-06-15T04:48:38Z] it's the bit at the bottom of the display [2021-06-15T04:48:45Z] tells you what file you're editing, current mode, etc [2021-06-15T04:48:51Z] general info like that [2021-06-15T04:49:15Z] Oh [2021-06-15T04:49:46Z] yeah [2021-06-15T04:50:09Z] oh interesintg [2021-06-15T04:50:51Z] What info does it show in the wm modeline [2021-06-15T04:50:55Z] http://0x0.st/-L0g.png [2021-06-15T04:51:01Z] just windows, time and date rn [2021-06-15T04:51:08Z] Nice [2021-06-15T04:51:29Z] i want to extend it with info like wireless signal integrity, battery capacity, CPU, RAM and disk usage, etc [2021-06-15T04:51:36Z] interesting [2021-06-15T04:51:54Z] what window manager is that [2021-06-15T04:51:57Z] stumpwm [2021-06-15T04:52:21Z] i need to get around to packaging it [2021-06-15T04:52:34Z] but if you want to try it out, I have the dependency (Steel Bank Common Lisp) packaged [2021-06-15T04:52:45Z] ...actually, I don't know if the SDF sysops have updated the SSL cert... [2021-06-15T04:52:53Z] they have not [2021-06-15T04:53:00Z] cringe and reddit-pilled. get on that [2021-06-15T04:54:20Z] midfavila-laptop: never heard of that wm [2021-06-15T04:54:34Z] it's the successor to ratpoison [2021-06-15T04:54:38Z] which you might have heard [2021-06-15T04:54:40Z] oh yes [2021-06-15T04:54:41Z] heard of* [2021-06-15T04:54:54Z] yeah, the devs were apparently implementing a bunch of lisp stuff [2021-06-15T04:54:57Z] so they were like [2021-06-15T04:55:13Z] "why are we writing this in C and implementing all this crap when we can just write it in lisp" [2021-06-15T04:55:17Z] and then they did that [2021-06-15T04:56:03Z] i really need to write a script to control my laptop's backlight... [2021-06-15T04:56:14Z] maybe automate changes with cron. that would be niftyy [2021-06-15T04:56:16Z] nifty* [2021-06-15T04:56:18Z] Do it [2021-06-15T04:56:33Z] i used to use a dedicated utility to manage such things [2021-06-15T04:56:36Z] i think it was xbacklight [2021-06-15T04:56:40Z] but then I realized "wait a sec" [2021-06-15T04:56:46Z] "this is exposed via sysfs" [2021-06-15T04:56:51Z] i think you can just edit the values directly in /proc IIRC [2021-06-15T04:57:07Z] proc might have it, but I tend to manipulate my hardware via sysfs [2021-06-15T04:57:24Z] so like, my modem initialization script does a bunch of black magic via sysfs, for example [2021-06-15T04:57:27Z] is sysfs a systemd thing? [2021-06-15T04:57:30Z] no [2021-06-15T04:57:40Z] it's a virtual filesystem that's part of linux [2021-06-15T04:57:54Z] i recommend you read about the filesystem if you're not familiar with it [2021-06-15T04:57:58Z] midfavila-laptop: is that laptop on KISS linux [2021-06-15T04:58:10Z] yes [2021-06-15T04:58:15Z] all of my machines run KISS [2021-06-15T04:58:18Z] except for my media center [2021-06-15T04:58:44Z] midfavila-laptop: why is your ps1 that? [2021-06-15T04:58:51Z] do>: ? [2021-06-15T04:59:16Z] acheam: i thinks it's some kind of interpreter that he's running [2021-06-15T04:59:24Z] yeah, it's called "sh" [2021-06-15T04:59:25Z] :P [2021-06-15T04:59:28Z] lol [2021-06-15T04:59:29Z] you might have heard of it [2021-06-15T04:59:31Z] lol [2021-06-15T04:59:34Z] but why that prompt? [2021-06-15T04:59:48Z] because I don't need a prompt to do anything other than prompt me [2021-06-15T04:59:52Z] at least on my laptop [2021-06-15T05:00:08Z] my desktop runs yash for an interactive shell, so it's a bit more featureful [2021-06-15T05:00:18Z] but I try to keep my laptop super lean [2021-06-15T05:00:21Z] so it just runs ksh [2021-06-15T05:00:23Z] oksh* [2021-06-15T05:01:18Z] my ps1 is "$ " [2021-06-15T05:01:43Z] I just use the normal baselayout PS1 [2021-06-15T05:02:02Z] and just use ash [2021-06-15T05:02:07Z] busybox gives me cancer [2021-06-15T05:02:14Z] why [2021-06-15T05:02:22Z] i dislike *box style executables [2021-06-15T05:02:32Z] and busybox has a lot of extraneous features, besides [2021-06-15T05:02:47Z] like colorization and columnization on directory listings, for example [2021-06-15T05:02:53Z] completely superfluous [2021-06-15T05:03:03Z] the latter doubly so, considering col is literally a thing [2021-06-15T05:03:04Z] if you don't like the features you can always disable them when compilling busybox [2021-06-15T05:03:12Z] or I can just use a better userland [2021-06-15T05:03:17Z] like? [2021-06-15T05:03:21Z] suckless core [2021-06-15T05:03:35Z] suckless core has less utilities [2021-06-15T05:03:47Z] and yet it's more useful [2021-06-15T05:03:53Z] because it has everything I need and nothing I don't [2021-06-15T05:03:54Z] :P [2021-06-15T05:04:09Z] plus, I can build each executable standalone, and statically link them [2021-06-15T05:04:20Z] i dislike colourization [2021-06-15T05:04:32Z] and if I want to modify a given utility, the suckless code is much simpler and easier to understand [2021-06-15T05:04:43Z] meaning it's better for studying, as well [2021-06-15T05:04:46Z] schillingklaus: so you run `ls --color=never`?? [2021-06-15T05:05:01Z] >long options [2021-06-15T05:05:02Z] blech [2021-06-15T05:05:08Z] lol [2021-06-15T05:05:13Z] long options are bloat [2021-06-15T05:05:18Z] i mean [2021-06-15T05:05:21Z] unironically yes [2021-06-15T05:05:24Z] return to '/' flags [2021-06-15T05:05:29Z] go back to NT [2021-06-15T05:05:41Z] we don't want your kind around here, MCSE [2021-06-15T05:05:46Z] lol [2021-06-15T05:05:48Z] it suffices to adjust /etc/prtofile to refrain from using ls with colours [2021-06-15T05:06:06Z] I'm a very visual person so I like having colors [2021-06-15T05:06:16Z] otherwise everything looks the same [2021-06-15T05:06:21Z] color is nice when it's consistent and uniform [2021-06-15T05:06:33Z] the problem is that most terminals aren't color, and if they are, they're not consistent [2021-06-15T05:06:36Z] I use dracula so literally everything I use has the same theme [2021-06-15T05:06:37Z] well [2021-06-15T05:06:40Z] terminal programs [2021-06-15T05:07:08Z] just change the ~/.Xresources file? [2021-06-15T05:07:18Z] or change the config values if you use ST? [2021-06-15T05:07:24Z] sorry - I should have been less ambiguous [2021-06-15T05:07:53Z] userspace tools that run in text mode - ls, cd, mv, etc - don't tend to be colorized, and if they are, they aren't consistent [2021-06-15T05:08:16Z] ah [2021-06-15T05:08:18Z] well [2021-06-15T05:08:22Z] dracula sucks [2021-06-15T05:08:35Z] it's a color scheme [2021-06-15T05:08:37Z] dracula is the only theme that I can apply everywhere easily [2021-06-15T05:08:42Z] literally doesn't matter as long as people like it [2021-06-15T05:08:57Z] personally, if I could, I'd slap an acme-style theme on all my programs [2021-06-15T05:09:05Z] but I can't, so everything is grey instead [2021-06-15T05:09:34Z] I don't even use non terminal programs besides qutebrowser [2021-06-15T05:09:48Z] and qemu if you count that [2021-06-15T05:09:52Z] >they don't use a text-mode browser [2021-06-15T05:09:54Z] shame [2021-06-15T05:09:58Z] and qemu can run in the terminal [2021-06-15T05:10:02Z] so meh [2021-06-15T05:10:04Z] haha [2021-06-15T05:10:13Z] if u want graphics it can't [2021-06-15T05:10:19Z] i believe it can [2021-06-15T05:10:27Z] Wat [2021-06-15T05:10:29Z] since its graphical stack is based on sdl, right? [2021-06-15T05:10:36Z] and sdl has a framebuffer backend if I recall [2021-06-15T05:10:41Z] i think it's only for the tty [2021-06-15T05:10:45Z] well yes [2021-06-15T05:10:53Z] but that's *true* text mode :P [2021-06-15T05:11:24Z] but ye the only thing I ever need to theme is my terminal and maybe neovim [2021-06-15T05:11:29Z] then everything looks decently consistent [2021-06-15T05:11:46Z] nothing beats GEM gray [2021-06-15T05:11:52Z] since I use a terminal IRC client [2021-06-15T05:12:08Z] weechat is the best [2021-06-15T05:12:24Z] somewhat amusingly the only program I use that isn't text mode compatible is my IM client [2021-06-15T05:12:32Z] but I do keep a text-mode client around [2021-06-15T05:12:34Z] epic5 [2021-06-15T05:12:46Z] try weechat [2021-06-15T05:12:50Z] it's great [2021-06-15T05:12:51Z] i'm good [2021-06-15T05:13:07Z] best IRC client by far [2021-06-15T05:13:09Z] epic5 is efficient, fast and has a massively flexible scripting language [2021-06-15T05:13:20Z] not to mention it has a lineage of almost thirty years, so it's rock-solid [2021-06-15T05:14:27Z] What turns me off about lots of GUI programs is a bunch of dependencies on GUI toolkits [2021-06-15T05:14:47Z] that's why I only use GTK2 stuff [2021-06-15T05:14:52Z] and maybe Xaw [2021-06-15T05:14:56Z] then you install a few GUI programs and soon you have 3 versions of QT and 20 versions of GTK [2021-06-15T05:15:17Z] that just means you aren't committing to a single stack hard enough [2021-06-15T05:15:26Z] you might want to watch out for STLWRT [2021-06-15T05:15:36Z] it's a fork of gtk2 that attempts to unify GTK2/3/4 [2021-06-15T05:16:30Z] maybe [2021-06-15T05:16:48Z] qutebrowser is a qt thing [2021-06-15T05:16:54Z] yeah [2021-06-15T05:16:57Z] wow, no way [2021-06-15T05:17:05Z] next thing I know you'll tell me that xterm is an x thing [2021-06-15T05:17:05Z] but what's the alternative [2021-06-15T05:17:12Z] literally any other webkit browser [2021-06-15T05:17:12Z] suckless surf always crashes and it's slow [2021-06-15T05:17:34Z] may I suggest: pale meme [2021-06-15T05:17:34Z] webkit is slow and I've never had a good experience with it [2021-06-15T05:17:38Z] webkit is ass, yes [2021-06-15T05:18:04Z] also there's the appeal of controling everything using vim keybindings [2021-06-15T05:18:14Z] use vimperator [2021-06-15T05:18:31Z] not the same thing [2021-06-15T05:18:35Z] vimperator is ruined by firefox quantum [2021-06-15T05:18:45Z] pale moon still supports it [2021-06-15T05:18:54Z] ultimately if you prefer qutebrowser that's up to you [2021-06-15T05:18:58Z] there's luakit or whatever [2021-06-15T05:19:05Z] which also has le ebic meme bindings [2021-06-15T05:19:40Z] I'll give it a try [2021-06-15T05:19:59Z] maybe one day you'll embrace links [2021-06-15T05:20:00Z] the website gives off strong 2000s vibes lol [2021-06-15T05:20:25Z] luakit crashes a lot, as all gtk webkit2 browsers [2021-06-15T05:20:41Z] i find that the only sites that links can't handle are those with mandatory JS [2021-06-15T05:20:48Z] I find ls colors to be super nice [2021-06-15T05:20:54Z] come on [2021-06-15T05:20:55Z] but any site with mandatory JS probably isn't worth visiting... [2021-06-15T05:20:59Z] using links in 2021 is impossible [2021-06-15T05:21:00Z] quickly differentiate between folders, links, dirs, etx [2021-06-15T05:21:11Z] i daily it on both my machines GalaxyNova [2021-06-15T05:21:14Z] even broken/working symlinks [2021-06-15T05:21:14Z] its possible [2021-06-15T05:21:15Z] like it's my main browser [2021-06-15T05:21:31Z] i actually prefer it to using pale moon [2021-06-15T05:21:35Z] since it integrates super nicely [2021-06-15T05:22:01Z] I wish I was like 95 so I had an excuse to not use the web [2021-06-15T05:22:02Z] midfavila-laptop: good luck watching youtube in it, listening to spotify, editing documents in google docs, searching things on google maps, watching netflix, etc etc etc [2021-06-15T05:22:23Z] all things I do on a daily basis [2021-06-15T05:22:26Z] i watch invidious without a single problem by piping video to ffplay, spotify is for literal children. you should download your music [2021-06-15T05:22:32Z] GalaxyNova: youre not going to come to a pretty conclusion to this fight [2021-06-15T05:22:41Z] download your docs and edit them locally instead of relying on shitty glowie services [2021-06-15T05:22:49Z] ^ [2021-06-15T05:22:50Z] i simply boycott youtube, google dox, maps, netflix,... [2021-06-15T05:22:50Z] use a decentralized map service if you must [2021-06-15T05:22:56Z] netflix is cringe and shit [2021-06-15T05:22:58Z] just stop [2021-06-15T05:22:58Z] i need google docs for school [2021-06-15T05:23:07Z] uh huh [2021-06-15T05:23:08Z] I copy and paste into google docs for school [2021-06-15T05:23:12Z] bruh all those things are garbage [2021-06-15T05:23:15Z] isn't downloading music illegal also haha [2021-06-15T05:23:22Z] who tf cares [2021-06-15T05:23:23Z] >being constrained by The Man [2021-06-15T05:23:30Z] I'm not calling the cops on you [2021-06-15T05:23:31Z] s [2021-06-15T05:23:31Z] m [2021-06-15T05:23:32Z] h [2021-06-15T05:23:49Z] schillingklaus: and move to the mountains and become a monk [2021-06-15T05:23:50Z] you should care more about hurting the artist [2021-06-15T05:23:54Z] ^ [2021-06-15T05:23:58Z] so instead of buying Spotify, buy some band merch [2021-06-15T05:24:09Z] buy KISS linux merch [2021-06-15T05:24:09Z] if I were to pay for music I would get it off bandcamp [2021-06-15T05:24:18Z] since afaik the artist gets most of the cut [2021-06-15T05:24:28Z] ye [2021-06-15T05:24:30Z] but yeah [2021-06-15T05:24:34Z] streaming services are both a) [2021-06-15T05:24:35Z] still proprietary though [2021-06-15T05:24:36Z] complexing [2021-06-15T05:24:42Z] and b) infuriating [2021-06-15T05:24:47Z] >complexing [2021-06-15T05:24:48Z]