[2021-07-05T01:16:29Z] <riteo> hiiiii!
[2021-07-05T01:24:51Z] <Guest488> hey
[2021-07-05T03:31:32Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-07-05T03:35:08Z] <midfavila> ih
[2021-07-05T03:43:49Z] <riteo> hi
[2021-07-05T06:49:05Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2021-07-05T06:49:11Z] <midfavila> has anyone packaged an n64 emulator?
[2021-07-05T06:49:18Z] <midfavila> i'm feeling some Star Fox
[2021-07-05T06:50:51Z] <GalaxyNova> but muh Star Fox is proprietary
[2021-07-05T06:51:09Z] <midfavila> the game data has no network connection and executes in a virtualized, isolated environment
[2021-07-05T06:51:24Z] <midfavila> if there *was* a malicious function, there's no threat
[2021-07-05T06:52:18Z] <GalaxyNova> did the n64 even support network connections
[2021-07-05T06:52:25Z] <midfavila> yes
[2021-07-05T06:52:39Z] <midfavila> it did so wirelessly
[2021-07-05T06:52:45Z] <midfavila> using a satellite uplink
[2021-07-05T06:53:02Z] <midfavila> i don't know if there was a local network capability introduced, though
[2021-07-05T07:15:14Z] <midfavila> whoa
[2021-07-05T07:15:16Z] <midfavila> dudes
[2021-07-05T07:15:21Z] <midfavila> i just realized
[2021-07-05T07:15:26Z] <midfavila> we're closer to 2040 than 2000
[2021-07-05T07:15:28Z] <midfavila> i feel ancient
[2021-07-05T07:15:36Z] <riteo> o h
[2021-07-05T07:15:40Z] <midfavila> 4am thoughts
[2021-07-05T07:15:47Z] <riteo> the best kind of thoughts
[2021-07-05T07:16:27Z] <GalaxyNova> what do you guys think about github copilot
[2021-07-05T07:16:30Z] <schillingklaus> the end is near
[2021-07-05T07:16:39Z] <GalaxyNova> indeed
[2021-07-05T07:16:42Z] <riteo> yes
[2021-07-05T07:16:46Z] <midfavila> if it's associated with microsoft, it's not to be trusted or depended on, obviously
[2021-07-05T07:16:46Z] <riteo> also, GPL violation
[2021-07-05T07:16:53Z] <midfavila> and I mean, we're overdue for another solar storm
[2021-07-05T07:16:54Z] <midfavila> so
[2021-07-05T07:16:57Z] <midfavila> if *that* happens,
[2021-07-05T07:17:03Z] <midfavila> humanity is ultra-mega-giga-fucked
[2021-07-05T07:17:17Z] <midfavila> like, more than we already are
[2021-07-05T07:17:32Z] <midfavila> at least if that massive storm in the 1800s or early 1900s or w/e is anything to go off of
[2021-07-05T07:17:34Z] <riteo> shouldn't a solar storm just mess up electricity for a while?
[2021-07-05T07:17:40Z] <midfavila> if it was small, yeah
[2021-07-05T07:17:46Z] <midfavila> it'd interfere with radio transmissions
[2021-07-05T07:17:59Z] <midfavila> but there've been a few times in history where it's been really, really outstanding
[2021-07-05T07:18:19Z] <riteo> cool
[2021-07-05T07:18:30Z] <midfavila> and the last major recorded incident caused telegraphs all over the world to spontaneously combust due to their cabling picking up excess energy, or something
[2021-07-05T07:18:34Z] <schillingklaus> would still break down wireless remote communication
[2021-07-05T07:18:35Z] <midfavila> it's been years since I've read about it
[2021-07-05T07:18:41Z] <midfavila> uh, it'd do a lot more than that, klaus
[2021-07-05T07:18:48Z] <midfavila> it'd fry all unshielded electronics the world over
[2021-07-05T07:19:02Z] <riteo> midfavila: well, they were basically enormous antennas, so it makes sense
[2021-07-05T07:19:08Z] <GalaxyNova> basically we'd all have to live like mid for a year
[2021-07-05T07:19:12Z] <midfavila> ...that reminds me, I need to buy a faraday cage...
[2021-07-05T07:19:19Z] <riteo> somehow that mental image is funny to me lol
[2021-07-05T07:19:27Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2021-07-05T07:19:45Z] <midfavila> i live in the middle of a city so
[2021-07-05T07:19:49Z] <midfavila> if it happened now, I'd be fucked
[2021-07-05T07:19:53Z] <schillingklaus> available in the next pet shop
[2021-07-05T07:20:03Z] <riteo> time to swallow the prepper pill 
[2021-07-05T07:20:03Z] <midfavila> goats don't go in cages, klaus
[2021-07-05T07:20:13Z] <midfavila> riteo I'm already working on it dude
[2021-07-05T07:20:29Z] <riteo> I should've expected it
[2021-07-05T07:20:34Z] <riteo> I don't know why I didn't
[2021-07-05T07:20:37Z] <midfavila> i've been working on it for like four years now
[2021-07-05T07:20:53Z] <riteo> I'm still in that fantasizing phase
[2021-07-05T07:20:58Z] <riteo> one day I'll prep too, I swear
[2021-07-05T07:21:12Z] <midfavila> it's easier to justify when you're five minutes away from homelessness every day
[2021-07-05T07:21:14Z] * midfavila shrugs again
[2021-07-05T07:21:23Z] <midfavila> i've been slacking lately
[2021-07-05T07:21:59Z] <GalaxyNova> distro hop to slackware then
[2021-07-05T07:22:11Z] <midfavila> i already use slackware on my media machine
[2021-07-05T07:22:17Z] <midfavila> --current gang rise up
[2021-07-05T07:23:03Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2021-07-05T07:23:14Z] <midfavila> i need to get a tent and e-tool soon, actually...
[2021-07-05T07:23:37Z] <midfavila> the worst part is that I have to train to carry this stuff.
[2021-07-05T07:23:49Z] <midfavila> 60+ pounds of equipment in the summer heat... 
[2021-07-05T07:31:17Z] <midfavila> well, anyway, it's almost 5am and I haven't slept yet
[2021-07-05T07:31:19Z] <midfavila> so i'm gonna go die
[2021-07-05T07:31:32Z] <riteo> bye!
[2021-07-05T07:37:56Z] <testuser[m]> https://termbin.com/sxor kiss seems to be installing stuff twice on updates
[2021-07-05T07:37:57Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn:
[2021-07-05T07:50:36Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: could you link your repo again? i noticed acheam thanked you for the link, but I couldnt for the life of me find the link anywhere.. 
[2021-07-05T07:54:21Z] <technoznc> sad_plan: https://git.sdf.org/midfavila
[2021-07-05T07:54:30Z] <sad_plan> thanks
[2021-07-05T08:27:33Z] <midfavila> people are using my repo ;w;
[2021-07-05T08:32:46Z] <schillingklaus> what is available on midfavila's repo?
[2021-07-05T08:45:36Z] <illiliti> https://termbin.com/phck
[2021-07-05T08:45:39Z] <illiliti> timeout written in shell
[2021-07-05T08:45:43Z] <illiliti> just for fun
[2021-07-05T08:46:22Z] <schillingklaus> oh midfavila was gone
[2021-07-05T09:17:37Z] <schillingklaus> dylan's kiss-me says that toybox is going to replace busybox
[2021-07-05T09:19:13Z] <illiliti> are there any alternatives to gnu parted?
[2021-07-05T09:22:33Z] <testuser[m]> it doesnt say that
[2021-07-05T09:22:36Z] <soliwilos> gptfdisk?
[2021-07-05T09:27:53Z] <schillingklaus> kiss-me separates everything GPL into a ghetto.
[2021-07-05T09:28:38Z] <illiliti> gulag
[2021-07-05T09:28:46Z] <illiliti> soliwilos: thanks
[2021-07-05T09:31:38Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> soliwilos: did the gpt code for fdisk not get merged?
[2021-07-05T09:32:03Z] <schillingklaus> gnulag :)
[2021-07-05T09:35:26Z] <schillingklaus> x11 is no longer available in kiss-me
[2021-07-05T09:36:14Z] <technoznc> dylan removed wget from the busybox.. interesting
[2021-07-05T09:56:20Z] <riteo> oh I just noticed it, now there are two... Parallel branches of kiss?
[2021-07-05T09:57:01Z] <schillingklaus> more than two, as there is also a wyverkiss
[2021-07-05T09:57:34Z] <riteo> wyverkiss does something different
[2021-07-05T09:57:45Z] <riteo> these feel like the same thing
[2021-07-05T09:57:53Z] <riteo> that's what I meant by parallel
[2021-07-05T09:58:22Z] <soliwilos> Erus_Iluvatar: fdisk in util-linux at least seems to handle gpt. However, gptfdisk consists of multiple tools and depending on what you want out of partitioning tools, I think gptfdisk has more capabilities than regular fdisk.
[2021-07-05T09:58:37Z] <testuser[m]> dylan hasn't told us his plans
[2021-07-05T09:58:56Z] <riteo> actually yes, sort of: https://kisslinux.xyz/news/20210703a
[2021-07-05T09:59:51Z] <riteo> he's updating his repo too
[2021-07-05T10:00:14Z] <riteo> so now we got two different remotes for "vanilla" kiss managed by two different people?
[2021-07-05T10:00:18Z] <technoznc> testuser[m]: dylan removed eudev too..
[2021-07-05T10:00:56Z] <technoznc> riteo: yeah basically
[2021-07-05T10:01:06Z] <midfavila> fucking based
[2021-07-05T10:01:16Z] <riteo> that's weird
[2021-07-05T10:01:34Z] <riteo> will they diverge somehow?
[2021-07-05T10:01:41Z] <testuser[m]> yea riteo but he didnt say if he'll be merging back the changes made to repo/kiss/wiki in kiss-community. ik he has merged some changes from kiss
[2021-07-05T10:02:15Z] <riteo> well, that's the point
[2021-07-05T10:04:34Z] <technoznc> https://github.com/kisslinux/website/commit/b6fdaead234398864ab8eccf16e0c7fcb976eb39
[2021-07-05T10:04:36Z] <technoznc> I wonder why he did that
[2021-07-05T10:05:10Z] <technoznc> whats wrong with reddit and irc?
[2021-07-05T10:05:31Z] <riteo> maybe it's because these communities are now associated with kiss-community?
[2021-07-05T10:05:44Z] <technoznc> https://kisslinux.xyz/contact theres no irc or reddit either
[2021-07-05T10:05:50Z] <technoznc> just his email
[2021-07-05T10:09:39Z] <riteo> that's interesting
[2021-07-05T10:09:52Z] <midfavila> oh no
[2021-07-05T10:09:56Z] <midfavila> not the reddit
[2021-07-05T10:09:59Z] <midfavila> anything but that
[2021-07-05T10:10:09Z] <technoznc> well irc is removed too D:
[2021-07-05T10:12:30Z] <soliwilos> Perhaps the whole freenode thing put him off, or still just figuring things out and keeping it simple until he's come to some conclusions.
[2021-07-05T10:13:33Z] <soliwilos> He might not even have read or heard too much about the freenode stuff yet.
[2021-07-05T10:16:39Z] <schillingklaus> and this wayfire thing is a horrortrip, only suited for mouselovers
[2021-07-05T10:18:54Z] <soliwilos> I haven't tried wayfire, it's focus is on visual effects I think?
[2021-07-05T10:21:08Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> Thanks soliwilos 
[2021-07-05T10:21:20Z] <schillingklaus> as it is inspired by compiz, visual effects will sure be paramount
[2021-07-05T10:21:22Z] <soliwilos> That's Dilyn's repo though, and not Dylan's, if you're referring to "kiss-me".
[2021-07-05T10:21:48Z] <soliwilos> Erus_Iluvatar: :)
[2021-07-05T10:49:21Z] <phoebos[m]> riteo: 
[2021-07-05T10:49:34Z] <phoebos[m]> ugh soz
[2021-07-05T12:40:32Z] <sad_plan> dilyn: did you have more/less issues when compiling wyverkiss compared to oem kiss core? gcc breaks alot for me, and makes me unable to build stuff, or binutils suddenly getting messed up for some reason. either that or xz just suddenly *disappars* on me :') 
[2021-07-05T12:41:27Z] <schillingklaus> too bad wyvertux is abandoned. it sounds more consistent
[2021-07-05T12:42:06Z] <sad_plan> really? that sucks.
[2021-07-05T12:42:44Z] <sad_plan> naah, theres commits just recently
[2021-07-05T12:42:50Z] <sad_plan> 1 hr ago
[2021-07-05T12:42:51Z] <schillingklaus> whereas wyverkiss is somewhat a compromise
[2021-07-05T12:42:55Z] <testuser[m]> sad_plan wyvertux is not wyverkiss
[2021-07-05T12:43:16Z] <testuser[m]> > binutils suddenly getting messed up for some reason.
[2021-07-05T12:43:22Z] <testuser[m]> that wont happen by itself
[2021-07-05T12:43:22Z] <sad_plan> I know. and I was refering to wyverkiss, not tux.
[2021-07-05T12:43:31Z] <sad_plan> its magic, dont you get it? :p
[2021-07-05T12:43:40Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2021-07-05T12:44:31Z] <testuser[m]> oh dylan put ssu in main repo, dropped sudo
[2021-07-05T12:44:31Z] <testuser[m]> nice
[2021-07-05T12:44:55Z] <sad_plan> nice
[2021-07-05T12:45:49Z] <schillingklaus> what is su?  su over ssh?
[2021-07-05T12:45:59Z] <sad_plan> simple sudo utilty
[2021-07-05T13:07:35Z] <acheam> by illiliti 
[2021-07-05T13:07:52Z] <acheam> sad_plan: I had trouble bootstrapping llvm to remove the GCC dep
[2021-07-05T13:08:09Z] <acheam> I'd reccomend just grabbing llvm from the wyverkiss rootfs and going from there
[2021-07-05T13:09:16Z] <sad_plan> yeah, was actually thinking about just doing wyverkiss core instead tbh. maybe I had less hurdles there :p 
[2021-07-05T13:09:29Z] <acheam> I have my own non bootstrapping llvm package too that you might like. main differences is that it uses ninja instead of make, and generates manpages, among some smaller things
[2021-07-05T13:10:18Z] <schillingklaus> wouldn't samurai be lighter than ninja?
[2021-07-05T13:10:32Z] <acheam> yeah it uses samurai
[2021-07-05T13:12:01Z] <sad_plan> sure. I assume its meant for wyverkiss, yes?
[2021-07-05T13:55:22Z] <acheam> I dont use the wyverkiss repo, but same idea yeah
[2021-07-05T13:57:04Z] <sad_plan> I noticed. I was looking at the buildscript as we speak. gonna clone your repo, aswell as mids aswell.
[2021-07-05T14:00:54Z] <schillingklaus> which repo is most suited for xorg without desktop environment?
[2021-07-05T14:02:16Z] <acheam> any of them?
[2021-07-05T14:02:21Z] <acheam> doesnt really matter
[2021-07-05T14:02:43Z] <illiliti> DEs are banned in kiss
[2021-07-05T14:02:44Z] <acheam> there are no DEs in the main kiss repos
[2021-07-05T14:22:21Z] <sad_plan> freetype-harfbuzz. do I really need both for xorg? i noticced dilyn only has freetype in his repo, and not harfbuzz. so im a bit curious :p
[2021-07-05T14:22:39Z] <dilyn> i certainly have both...
[2021-07-05T14:23:49Z] <sad_plan> no? not in kiss-static anyway. theres a file for freetype, but it does not contain harfbuzz
[2021-07-05T14:24:26Z] <sad_plan> however, it is in your kiss-me repo. atleast wyverkiss-static branch ayway
[2021-07-05T14:26:08Z] <dilyn> ah well
[2021-07-05T14:26:18Z] <dilyn> I wouldn't use KISS-static as a reference for much of anything :)  
[2021-07-05T14:27:04Z] <sad_plan> I figured as much, but alot of stuff still works. kinda anyway. im crossreferencing for ./configure files, core repos, and kiss-me. and basiclly see whats working and not :p
[2021-07-05T14:28:16Z] <dilyn> i c i c 
[2021-07-05T14:28:53Z] <dilyn> well I've only got I think one package that links against libharfbuzz and that's chromium
[2021-07-05T14:29:02Z] <dilyn> I don't honestly know how wayland does text shaping...
[2021-07-05T14:29:16Z] <dilyn> but you certainly need harfbuzz for xorg, pretty much 
[2021-07-05T14:29:23Z] <sad_plan> yeah. I did however ask a questio earlier, for you. did you find it easier to build a static core for kiss, or wyverkiss? 
[2021-07-05T14:29:28Z] <sad_plan> ah ok, good to know
[2021-07-05T14:30:07Z] <dilyn> wyverkiss was definitely easier because I just unpacked a tarball xD
[2021-07-05T14:30:23Z] <dilyn> though i did initially start from just trying to swap gcc for llvm, and that was hairy 
[2021-07-05T14:31:01Z] <sad_plan> so, you just basiclly untared the tarballed, set -static as cflag, and built everything? not much fuzz at all?
[2021-07-05T14:31:02Z] <testuser[m]> https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/kisslinux/2021-07-05#30212979; dilyn
[2021-07-05T14:31:33Z] <dilyn> which version of kiss? 
[2021-07-05T14:31:38Z] <dilyn> is it reproduceable? 
[2021-07-05T14:31:42Z] <testuser[m]> 5.4.0
[2021-07-05T14:31:45Z] <sad_plan> ^yes
[2021-07-05T14:31:57Z] <sad_plan> I had the same when updating couple hours ago
[2021-07-05T14:32:21Z] <sad_plan> built pango
[2021-07-05T14:33:00Z] <testuser[m]> yea checked again it always installs twice
[2021-07-05T14:33:20Z] <dilyn> is it just with pango? 
[2021-07-05T14:34:07Z] <testuser[m]> anything
[2021-07-05T14:34:31Z] <sad_plan> not on my end. just built a couple packages on my end, and only installed once
[2021-07-05T14:34:38Z] <dilyn> ^
[2021-07-05T14:34:45Z] <dilyn> is it only on kiss u, or also on kiss b ? 
[2021-07-05T14:34:54Z] <dilyn> so far I can't reproduce this 
[2021-07-05T14:34:55Z] <testuser[m]> u
[2021-07-05T14:35:29Z] <testuser[m]> just make a dummy package in kiss path, install it, bump it and run kiss u
[2021-07-05T14:35:43Z] <sad_plan> on kiss b it seems to work like usuall. tried to build pango again now, and just installed once. 
[2021-07-05T14:36:05Z] <sad_plan> built several packages already, and only pango did it twice, with kiss update
[2021-07-05T14:37:47Z] <testuser[m]> https://termbin.com/nzjx
[2021-07-05T14:50:14Z] <akira01> is true dylan plain to change busybox to toybox?
[2021-07-05T14:50:39Z] <sad_plan> your mixing dilyn and dylan. 
[2021-07-05T14:51:00Z] <sad_plan> but im gonna guess no. dylan is probably not going to switch to toybox
[2021-07-05T14:52:03Z] <sad_plan> dilyn however is running toybox
[2021-07-05T14:53:05Z] <akira01> thanks
[2021-07-05T15:21:17Z] <acheam> can't repro double install issue
[2021-07-05T15:21:36Z] <msk_1411[m]> Does anyone know how to get the sgtty.h file? GNU ispell needs it for their compilation
[2021-07-05T15:22:34Z] <msk_1411[m]> Would I be able to just copy-paste https://code.woboq.org/userspace/glibc/misc/sgtty.h.html ?
[2021-07-05T15:26:10Z] <msk_1411[m]> The site says it's part of glibc, though, not sure if that will mess something up
[2021-07-05T15:31:20Z] <testuser[m]> That file will do nothing
[2021-07-05T15:31:26Z] <testuser[m]> You need some lib to actually provide the functions
[2021-07-05T15:31:41Z] <acheam> use Aspell? its better anyways
[2021-07-05T15:32:03Z] <msk_1411[m]> aspell seems to only add features that I wouldn't need
[2021-07-05T15:32:23Z] <msk_1411[m]> but I already got aspell working, so I guess I'll just stick with it
[2021-07-05T15:32:23Z] <acheam> in my experience it gives much better suggestions
[2021-07-05T15:33:02Z] <msk_1411[m]> oh, interesting, I thought that, from briefly looking at their site, it didn't change their suggestions
[2021-07-05T15:33:28Z] <msk_1411[m]> but in that case there's definitely no reason to use ispell
[2021-07-05T15:33:33Z] <msk_1411[m]>  * but in that case, there's definitely no reason to use ispell
[2021-07-05T15:34:34Z] <msk_1411[m]> I love how easy it is to package things, I never made any packages on arch/gentoo and already have ~10 on KISS
[2021-07-05T15:34:40Z] <acheam> http://aspell.net/test/cur/
[2021-07-05T15:34:46Z] <acheam> yep its great
[2021-07-05T15:34:55Z] <acheam> software not being packaged isnt a barrier to using it
[2021-07-05T15:36:27Z] <msk_1411[m]> I must have misunderstood, then - when I read "Its main feature is that it does a superior job of suggesting possible replacements for a misspelled word than just about any other spell checker out there for the English language", I thought they were excluding ispell
[2021-07-05T15:36:57Z] <msk_1411[m]> anyway thanks
[2021-07-05T16:06:01Z] <riteo> bruh I just found out that audacity recently messed up their privacy policy
[2021-07-05T16:07:06Z] <msk_1411[m]> a company bought it and immediately started some spooky stuff
[2021-07-05T16:07:34Z] <riteo> what do we do now? Does anybody know any alternative/fork?
[2021-07-05T16:07:37Z] <msk_1411[m]> e.g. telemetry
[2021-07-05T16:07:49Z] <msk_1411[m]> yeah, not sure why nobody forked it
[2021-07-05T16:07:52Z] <riteo> yeah I heard about the company thing
[2021-07-05T16:08:00Z] <riteo> well, the latest greates scandal happened 2 days ago
[2021-07-05T16:08:36Z] <riteo> I've barely skimmed the surface of this, but if I read right they backed up and then pozzed the software even more
[2021-07-05T16:11:12Z] <msk_1411[m]> I guess you can just find the latest commit before the acquisition
[2021-07-05T16:11:39Z] <riteo> https://github.com/audacity/audacity/discussions/889
[2021-07-05T16:11:43Z] <riteo> > this aged horribly
[2021-07-05T16:11:43Z] <riteo> lmao
[2021-07-05T16:16:53Z] <msk_1411[m]> the company is for-profit, so it makes sense to expect more monetization in the future
[2021-07-05T16:28:45Z] <acheam> riteo: you could just block it from accessing the net
[2021-07-05T16:28:51Z] <acheam> but its not ideal
[2021-07-05T16:29:17Z] <acheam> I'm sure there are some community forks out there that have made 0 progress beyond hitting the fork button on github
[2021-07-05T16:31:28Z] <testuser[m]> Won't be hard to #if 0 it out
[2021-07-05T16:50:45Z] <GalaxyNova> there's been some community forks
[2021-07-05T16:50:55Z] <GalaxyNova> https://github.com/SartoxOnlyGNU/audacium
[2021-07-05T16:53:34Z] <akira01> how can i view the battery life of my laptop in the terminal?
[2021-07-05T16:54:51Z] <GalaxyNova> probably something in /proc
[2021-07-05T16:54:54Z] <msk_1411[m]> divide the number in sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now by sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full
[2021-07-05T16:55:53Z] <msk_1411[m]> http://0x0.st/-fvJ.sh
[2021-07-05T16:56:25Z] <msk_1411[m]> akira01: 
[2021-07-05T16:57:52Z] <akira01> Thanks
[2021-07-05T17:00:46Z] <akira01> Any way can i view this in percentage?
[2021-07-05T17:01:09Z] <akira01> forget
[2021-07-05T17:01:16Z] <akira01> your script handle it
[2021-07-05T17:12:35Z] <acheam> the percentage is /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/capacity
[2021-07-05T17:12:43Z] <acheam> akira01: 
[2021-07-05T17:12:55Z] <akira01> Thanks
[2021-07-05T17:14:41Z] <msk_1411[m]> oh, nice, that's way easier
[2021-07-05T17:20:07Z] <sad_plan> dilyn: ffs, wyverkiss statically linked it like cheating. theres almost no issues ..
[2021-07-05T17:21:55Z] <GalaxyNova> sad_plan: statically linked what?
[2021-07-05T17:22:33Z] <sad_plan> everything
[2021-07-05T17:23:08Z] <sad_plan> well, except mesa. and for me appearantly python. didnt bother to mess with it. just wanted to see if I could just build xorg rather quickly, without issues
[2021-07-05T18:27:12Z] <dilyn> static python is unpleasant :v 
[2021-07-05T18:27:26Z] <dilyn> but yeah it's pretty straightforward. especially once all the hard work of setting the options is done (: 
[2021-07-05T18:34:27Z] <sad_plan> yeah, that is indeed making it alot easier :p I do feel your pain somewhat when forking all the packages into a new repo, and figuring out what works and not. and im not even done with trying to build xorg. i suppose ill settle for a halfed baked static system soon :p
[2021-07-05T19:03:14Z] <Guest41> Why doesn't BusyBox ash .ashrc work? I have just export PS1="->" as a test but it is not working. There no documentation so I don't know if I am doing smethng wrong...
[2021-07-05T19:04:25Z] <midfavila> i believe you have to set $ENV
[2021-07-05T19:04:30Z] <midfavila> otherwise it only sources /etc/profile
[2021-07-05T19:06:04Z] <ang> it should load ~/.profile too
[2021-07-05T19:07:45Z] <Guest41> yeah it loads profile without $ENV
[2021-07-05T19:08:21Z] <midfavila> point $ENV at the place you normally keep your shell rc
[2021-07-05T19:08:25Z] <midfavila> i'm fond of .config/shrc
[2021-07-05T19:09:45Z] <Guest41> thank you
[2021-07-05T19:13:18Z] <Guest8> It worked, got it now thnx
[2021-07-05T19:14:41Z] <riteo> gtg, bye everyone!
[2021-07-05T19:14:49Z] <midfavila> See you.
[2021-07-05T19:32:36Z] <Guest8> also midfavila were you able to remove .ash_history from home dir
[2021-07-05T19:33:08Z] <midfavila> I don't use ash, but there's probably a variable that you can set to determine where ash stores its history.
[2021-07-05T19:33:17Z] <midfavila> I point such variables at /dev/random
[2021-07-05T19:33:53Z] <Guest8> wwould love to find that out but there's no documentation on it
[2021-07-05T19:34:33Z] <midfavila> Looks like $HISTFILE is a common name.
[2021-07-05T19:34:53Z] <Guest8> yeh you're right
[2021-07-05T19:35:03Z] <Guest8> ok im good now
[2021-07-05T20:21:13Z] <rio6> midfavila: <I point such variables at /dev/random> does that make all your history random caharcters
[2021-07-05T20:23:22Z] <midfavila> not for yash, no.
[2021-07-05T20:23:32Z] <midfavila> it just doesn't display history.
[2021-07-05T20:46:10Z] <illiliti> c++: fatal error: Killed signal terminated program cc1plus
[2021-07-05T20:46:13Z] <illiliti> 8GB ram isn't enough to build chromium
[2021-07-05T20:46:36Z] <midfavila> silly illiliti, you think you can actually build things from source? s m h
[2021-07-05T20:46:39Z] <midfavila> only google is allowed to do that
[2021-07-05T20:46:57Z] <midfavila> just use the binaries, they're so *easy* and *convenient*
[2021-07-05T20:47:10Z] <claudia> illiliti: how much makejobs?
[2021-07-05T20:47:27Z] <claudia> I need more than 16gb ram for 8 makejobs.
[2021-07-05T20:48:20Z] <illiliti> MAKEFLAGS=-j4
[2021-07-05T20:48:29Z] <illiliti> CFLAGS=-march=native -pipe -O2
[2021-07-05T20:48:45Z] <midfavila> ngl i'd just make a fuckoff huge swapfile
[2021-07-05T21:01:00Z] <GalaxyNova> Imagine not having 32 gigabytes of ram smh
[2021-07-05T21:01:35Z] <midfavila> >not having a 200gb swap partition
[2021-07-05T21:01:38Z] <midfavila> literally what are you even doing
[2021-07-05T21:13:12Z] <acheam> illiliti: how much swap do you have?
[2021-07-05T21:13:20Z] <acheam> maybe turning up swapiness would help too
[2021-07-05T21:18:30Z] <illiliti> i don't have swap
[2021-07-05T21:26:52Z] <acheam> well there ya go. still ridiculous that 8gb isn't enough though