[2022-01-12T00:19:53Z] <noocsharp> nooc is a very very early work in progress, not good for anything
[2022-01-12T00:21:54Z] <noocsharp> certainly not a language anyone should be learning
[2022-01-12T01:50:42Z] <opalvaults[m]> eh, maybe i'll stick with picolisp or something. golang looks cool too. something simple would be ideal. i've never heard of nooc noocsharp , what is it?
[2022-01-12T01:51:00Z] <opalvaults[m]> (a cursory google search did not yield what I expected)
[2022-01-12T02:20:11Z] <noocsharp> just my toy compiler/language
[2022-01-12T02:20:16Z] <noocsharp> https://github.com/noocsharp/nooc
[2022-01-12T02:32:01Z] <dilyn> oh fancy!
[2022-01-12T02:40:16Z] <noocsharp> i have no clue what i'm doing, but it works sometimes
[2022-01-12T02:41:40Z] <dilyn> does it do anything remarkable or is it just a fun pet project?
[2022-01-12T02:45:56Z] <noocsharp> for now just a fun pet project
[2022-01-12T02:47:34Z] <noocsharp> i basically just want it to be c with more safety
[2022-01-12T02:51:41Z] <noocsharp> i guess one cool thing is that it generates machine code directly instead of using an external ir
[2022-01-12T02:57:07Z] <dilyn> neat neat neat
[2022-01-12T04:09:52Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-01-12T04:35:25Z] <noocsharp> unless dilyn has a better solution, i'm gonna try to get a zoom flatpak working
[2022-01-12T04:37:09Z] <dilyn> do it
[2022-01-12T04:37:23Z] <dilyn> I mean the real solution is to just use the browser for zoom
[2022-01-12T04:37:31Z] <dilyn> but if you can get flatpak to work properly do it
[2022-01-12T04:38:29Z] <noocsharp> i spent the last 3 semesters using a usb drive with arch installed for zoom
[2022-01-12T04:41:40Z] <dilyn> convince that trash to use google meet
[2022-01-12T04:55:34Z] <noocsharp> > error: mkdir(/usr/var): Permission denied
[2022-01-12T04:55:36Z] <noocsharp> bruh
[2022-01-12T05:01:02Z] <dilyn> :thinking:
[2022-01-12T05:01:04Z] <dilyn> cancer
[2022-01-12T05:03:56Z] <testuser[m]> noocsharp: why not just use that arch install from chroot
[2022-01-12T05:12:30Z] <noocsharp> i've tried using junest, haven't figured out how to set up /dev nodes with the right permissions
[2022-01-12T05:26:00Z] <testuser[m]> Use bubblewrap
[2022-01-12T05:35:51Z] <noocsharp> how does bubblewrap help with permissions?
[2022-01-12T05:36:13Z] <noocsharp> and junest uses bubblewrap under the hood
[2022-01-12T05:36:24Z] <testuser[m]> Idk it always just werked for me
[2022-01-12T05:37:19Z] <noocsharp> maybe its junest that changes /dev to nobody:nobody
[2022-01-12T05:40:36Z] <noocsharp> it does a weird fakeroot thing
[2022-01-12T05:43:48Z] <testuser[m]> U should be able to use bubblewrap directly, just mount kiss root at / and arch's /usr at /usr 
[2022-01-12T05:43:57Z] <testuser[m]> Try
[2022-01-12T05:47:06Z] <noocsharp> do i need to do it as root?
[2022-01-12T05:47:10Z] <noocsharp> also do you have bwrap packaged?
[2022-01-12T05:50:38Z] <testuser[m]> its in community
[2022-01-12T05:50:41Z] <testuser[m]> And its rootless
[2022-01-12T05:50:42Z] <testuser[m]> Too
[2022-01-12T05:51:28Z] <testuser[m]> https://git.sr.ht/~git-bruh/dotfiles/tree/master/item/bin/flags.sh
[2022-01-12T05:52:11Z] <testuser[m]> U will need setenv for XDG_RUNTIME_DIR and WAYLAND_DISPLAY too
[2022-01-12T05:52:14Z] <noocsharp> ah, i forgot i had my community repository checked out to a commit from 2 years ago
[2022-01-12T05:54:02Z] <testuser[m]> https://git.sr.ht/~git-bruh/dotfiles/tree/master/item/bin/steam exampe using steam from void
[2022-01-12T05:54:23Z] <noocsharp> probably just gonna install i3 or something inside the chroot
[2022-01-12T05:59:10Z] <dilyn> you can also bind-root an arch chroot's root to its own directly, chroot in, and launch X
[2022-01-12T05:59:16Z] <dilyn> though that's far too cumbersome
[2022-01-12T06:01:59Z] <noocsharp> what's the difference between --dev and --dev-bind?
[2022-01-12T06:04:10Z] <noocsharp> also where are all the options documented?
[2022-01-12T06:04:16Z] <testuser[m]> --help
[2022-01-12T06:04:20Z] <testuser[m]> Its. a long list
[2022-01-12T06:04:44Z] <dilyn> best bet on option is just manpages...
[2022-01-12T06:04:53Z] <dilyn> mount is probably one of the more easily bloated binaries
[2022-01-12T06:15:18Z] <noocsharp> hmm, my permissions in /dev still seem to be wrong
[2022-01-12T06:16:42Z] <noocsharp> but now maybe i'll be able to figure out why
[2022-01-12T06:27:33Z] <noocsharp> well i got i3 to launch which is more than i can say for plain junest
[2022-01-12T06:28:28Z] <testuser[m]> Rich
[2022-01-12T07:05:52Z] <noocsharp> is there a way to include a file in /dev that i don't own?
[2022-01-12T07:18:34Z] <testuser[m]> Like
[2022-01-12T12:10:02Z] <testuser[m]> bruh the kernel depends on bash now
[2022-01-12T12:10:30Z] <testuser[m]> nvm make SHELL=sh worked
[2022-01-12T16:41:25Z] <noocsharp> testuser[m]: do you use udev on kiss? because that might explain why your permissions are being set correctly automatically in the chroot and mine aren't
[2022-01-12T16:46:52Z] <testuser[m]> noocsharp: no
[2022-01-12T16:47:00Z] <testuser[m]> udev as in eudev?
[2022-01-12T16:47:17Z] <testuser[m]> I have libudev-zero
[2022-01-12T16:47:30Z] <testuser[m]> U should be able to chown the things anyway or set the perms with bwrap flags
[2022-01-12T16:57:58Z] <noocsharp> what are the user/group and permissions of your /dev/dri?
[2022-01-12T17:00:16Z] <testuser[m]> root:video 
[2022-01-12T17:00:41Z] <testuser[m]> Which translates to uid 65534 in bwrap since /etc files don't exist
[2022-01-12T17:01:23Z] <testuser[m]> https://termbin.com/k6n3
[2022-01-12T17:01:42Z] <noocsharp> did you have to add your user to the 65534 group?
[2022-01-12T17:01:59Z] <noocsharp> oh wait, you have o+* permissions on then
[2022-01-12T17:02:01Z] <noocsharp> them
[2022-01-12T17:02:25Z] <testuser[m]> Yeah cuz it can't lookup from /etc/group
[2022-01-12T17:02:28Z] <testuser[m]> so it gives uid
[2022-01-12T17:02:29Z] <testuser[m]> If ur normal user can access stuff then bwrap can too
[2022-01-12T17:10:30Z] <noocsharp> 65534 is the nobody group in my arch chroot, so i added my user to that
[2022-01-12T17:10:39Z] <noocsharp> input still doesn't work in i3 for some reason...
[2022-01-12T17:11:01Z] <noocsharp> wait, maybe i didn't install a driver
[2022-01-12T17:12:02Z] <testuser[m]> did u mount everything from /dev?
[2022-01-12T17:12:08Z] <testuser[m]> maybe input is missing
[2022-01-12T17:14:26Z] <noocsharp>  /dev/input is definitely there
[2022-01-12T17:28:30Z] <noocsharp> should the chroot have /sys?
[2022-01-12T17:42:32Z] <dilyn> it should have all your usual pseudo filesystems
[2022-01-12T17:43:20Z] <dilyn> run, dev, dev/pts, dev/shm are needed (dev/shm was needed for chrome to launch iirc)
[2022-01-12T17:49:04Z] <noocsharp> hmm... i mounted all of the pseudofilesystems in their entirety and input still workn't
[2022-01-12T17:50:05Z] <noocsharp> do you see anything obviously wrong with this? https://nihaljere.xyz/files/bwrap.sh
[2022-01-12T18:09:10Z] <testuser[m]> Seems fine
[2022-01-12T18:09:47Z] <testuser[m]> Can u show the Xorg.log
[2022-01-12T18:09:49Z] <testuser[m]> When u launch id
[2022-01-12T18:09:51Z] <testuser[m]> I3
[2022-01-12T18:36:59Z] <noocsharp> https://nihaljere.xyz/files/Xorg.0.log
[2022-01-12T18:37:11Z] <noocsharp> with this config file https://nihaljere.xyz/files/xorg.conf
[2022-01-12T22:19:57Z] <bibliocar> so, 9front is finally on my radar.