[2022-06-10T04:30:58Z] Hi [2022-06-10T06:32:05Z] hi [2022-06-10T11:12:00Z] hi [2022-06-10T11:20:19Z] hardware: intel i5 3330 cpu - hd2500 igpu - 8gb ram - 250gb ssd - 250w psu - alsa(speaker) - dhcpcd(wired-connection) - 4xUSB2.0 ports - VGA monitor(60hz) [2022-06-10T11:20:19Z] 1. linux or linux-libre and which version? [2022-06-10T11:20:20Z] 2. compiling with perl installed or patch to do not use perl [2022-06-10T11:20:20Z] patch -p1 < /usr/share/doc/kiss/wiki/kernel/no-perl.patch [2022-06-10T11:20:21Z] 3. can i use lz4? if i can use which package i should install because i didnt see it! [2022-06-10T11:20:21Z] 4. do i need to install python for compiling the kernel? [2022-06-10T11:20:22Z] 5. how can i make my kernel config that does not have M just yes or no! because i dont want to use initrd [2022-06-10T11:20:22Z] 6. i want to use efibootmgr just wiki enough or do i need to make more things to make it working! [2022-06-10T11:20:23Z] 7. update to firefox(there is 100!) [2022-06-10T11:23:41Z] 8. and i had been using my computer without intel-ucode for a year so i think i dont need it or do i need? [2022-06-10T11:37:58Z] Guest14: Selecting kernel drivers/features as modules (m) does not necessarily make you need an initrd. Only if some of those are needed during boot, such as the filesystem driver. [2022-06-10T11:38:21Z] oh ok [2022-06-10T11:38:25Z] another questions? [2022-06-10T11:38:47Z] There is a lz4 package in community. [2022-06-10T11:39:25Z] I don't use efibootmgr, so no suggestions for that. [2022-06-10T11:39:45Z] ok for my hardware will linux-libre work good [2022-06-10T11:39:54Z] or not [2022-06-10T11:40:14Z] and compiling with perl or not [2022-06-10T11:40:25Z] About intel-ucode, I think it is mostly recommended to have fixes for cpu bugs. [2022-06-10T11:41:14Z] I've not used linux-libre. [2022-06-10T11:41:53Z] I guess it might have fewer drivers? Just try it if you want to use it. :) [2022-06-10T11:41:53Z] ok what about perl and python [2022-06-10T11:43:00Z] I use the no-perl patch, but this I think is more of a personal choice if you want to use it or not. [2022-06-10T11:43:12Z] Firefox depend on perl and python, by the way [2022-06-10T11:43:55Z] no i know that [2022-06-10T11:44:04Z] i mean when compiling kernel [2022-06-10T11:44:39Z] will be good  perl installed on system if i want to compile kernel [2022-06-10T11:44:57Z] I'm not sure if I've ever compiled a kernel while not having python installed. [2022-06-10T11:45:03Z] and do i need python when compiling because there is a video on youtube installing kisslinux [2022-06-10T11:45:13Z] oh ok thanks and [2022-06-10T11:45:31Z] lz4 is on community repo right [2022-06-10T11:45:58Z] but where is what is name of it [2022-06-10T11:47:57Z] https://github.com/kiss-community/community/tree/main/community/lz4 [2022-06-10T11:48:05Z] This, right? [2022-06-10T11:48:14Z] oh man thanks [2022-06-10T11:48:54Z] oh btw is there a problem with compiling rust? [2022-06-10T11:48:57Z] or rust code [2022-06-10T11:49:58Z] I haven't updated rust/firefox in a long time. [2022-06-10T11:50:23Z] how can i merge these repos and make my own [2022-06-10T11:50:47Z] can i fork 2 of theme and merge? [2022-06-10T11:51:03Z] A local kiss repo you mean? [2022-06-10T11:51:10Z] yes [2022-06-10T11:51:31Z] and are you using openssl or libressl [2022-06-10T11:51:48Z] It's as simple as having a directory on your system with the packages in it, and adding it to KISS_PATH [2022-06-10T11:52:00Z] no i mean [2022-06-10T11:52:40Z] i want to make my own github repo and add these [2022-06-10T11:52:40Z] https://github.com/kiss-community/repo [2022-06-10T11:52:41Z] https://github.com/kiss-community/community [2022-06-10T11:52:41Z] after that delete some of packages in there and publish to my github [2022-06-10T11:52:49Z] I'm using openssl. [2022-06-10T11:56:19Z] Ah, right. I don't use github in that regard. [2022-06-10T11:57:00Z] I don't know how you can merge multiple forked repo's there. [2022-06-10T12:20:15Z] idk too [2022-06-10T12:32:36Z] Guest14: there's no need to publish duplicated packages [2022-06-10T12:32:57Z] you could use submodules if you want [2022-06-10T12:33:16Z] i just want to install only lz4 and base repo [2022-06-10T12:33:27Z] can i [2022-06-10T12:34:30Z] sure, you can have anything you want and nothing else [2022-06-10T12:35:14Z] no i mean how can i do that [2022-06-10T12:35:21Z] Hi, are there some regular users here which run kiss with a rather large additional package list (I estimate that I would need to configure, install and maintain hundreds of additional packages)? If so, how much time do you invest to maintain all these packages, i.e. keep them current? I would have no problem investing the initial time to set [2022-06-10T12:35:21Z] everything up but am afraid that I would not have the time to monitor all upstream sources for updates and adjust the packages manually, fix dependency problems etc. [2022-06-10T12:35:59Z] Guest14: I don't really understand what question you're asking [2022-06-10T12:36:41Z] i mean how can i JUST install lz4 from community repo [2022-06-10T12:37:14Z] herrsimon: some packages are more annoying to set up, but once you've written the build script updates are usually trivial [2022-06-10T12:37:48Z] I subscribe to atom feeds for releases and use the kiss-outdated script every so often [2022-06-10T12:38:24Z] Guest14: clone community, add it to KISS_PATH, kiss b lz4 [2022-06-10T12:38:50Z] hmm i  just dont want all community but ok thanks [2022-06-10T12:39:55Z] I agree that most updates should be trivial, but even trivial changes such as bumping a version number takes time and not everything can be automated. To get a bit more specific: Do you think investing an hour once a month suffices? [2022-06-10T12:40:34Z] Guest14: If you just want lz4, you could just clone that package. [2022-06-10T12:44:20Z] herrsimon: to update one average sized package (including making sure it builds) probably takes like 2 minutes [2022-06-10T12:46:12Z] but I don't set aside one hour specifically to do updates [2022-06-10T12:46:58Z] give it a try, and if you don't like it that's ok [2022-06-10T12:52:19Z] Alright, so interpolating to a few hundred packages that sounds more like half a day for an update session. Simply giving it a try is not possible in my case as just to set everything up requires considerable effort in my case. I will have to think about it, absolutely love the simplicity but it might just be too much of a regular time investment [2022-06-10T12:52:19Z] for me. In any case, thanks a lot for the information! [2022-06-10T13:32:11Z] herrsimon: For simple packages just bumping the version and building is usually enough. [2022-06-10T14:39:40Z] I personally automate most stuff with scripts, so updating a bunch of packages usually takes less than 10 minutes [2022-06-10T14:52:48Z] herrsimon: you're not gonna have 100 packages all with updates every week [2022-06-10T14:53:13Z] especially if you use the community repos [2022-06-10T15:26:03Z] phoebos: I did not read the webpage properly and didn't know about the community repos (and the nice wiki). Also, I just found out that much work has already been done (in particular by illiliti, hopefully I spelled it correctly) to solve common problems such as removing needless udev or dbus dependencies from core components. So I'll take the [2022-06-10T15:26:04Z] plunge this weekend on a spare computer and see how it goes. As many things will be a first timer for me (most prominently compiling a custom kernel, using s6 for init/service supervision, trying to ditch dbus, switching from x11 to wayland and going through countless personal scripts to check if they depend on anything they shouldn't), I guess [2022-06-10T15:26:04Z] that it will take some weeks until I can switch to kiss on my work machine, but just thinking about this liberating moment already gives me goosebumps! I'll report back here, thanks again!