[2023-01-16T01:55:24Z] <neptune__> hey
[2023-01-16T01:55:41Z] <neptune__> supposedly someone is neptune_.. so now im neptune__!
[2023-01-16T01:55:50Z] <neptune__> restarting my pc was not a good idea, lmao
[2023-01-16T01:58:51Z] <neptune__> oh
[2023-01-16T01:58:56Z] <neptune__> welp now im neptune_
[2023-01-16T02:00:15Z] <neptune_> hello
[2023-01-16T02:00:16Z] <neptune_> i am back
[2023-01-16T05:18:51Z] <wael_> Hi
[2023-01-16T05:49:19Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Mcf is my hero.
[2023-01-16T07:08:28Z] <travankor> kiss compiled with cproc when?
[2023-01-16T07:09:47Z] <wael_> Kiss the system or the packages or the package manager or the toaster
[2023-01-16T07:13:34Z] <travankor> everything tbh
[2023-01-16T07:13:43Z] <travankor> lolvm is bloat
[2023-01-16T07:14:52Z] <wael_> well good luck
[2023-01-16T07:14:55Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you're right it takes 2 hours to compile llvm.
[2023-01-16T07:15:14Z] <wael_> you can get a full X system without LLVM 
[2023-01-16T07:15:30Z] <wael_> not sure about Wayland, for oasis they are just using the framebuffer
[2023-01-16T07:16:10Z] <niceguy5000[m]> oasis is insanely clean.
[2023-01-16T07:16:30Z] <niceguy5000[m]> add xen kernel and you have a qubes like os.
[2023-01-16T07:16:39Z] <niceguy5000[m]> for bloated software.
[2023-01-16T07:17:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> it's the dream removing the bloat.
[2023-01-16T07:22:25Z] <wael_> ok then use it?
[2023-01-16T07:23:39Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I am, currenting building the xen side scripts.
[2023-01-16T07:25:59Z] <wael_> Nice.
[2023-01-16T11:40:35Z] <midfavila> >watching videos on mobile data
[2023-01-16T11:40:37Z] <midfavila> played yourself
[2023-01-16T11:40:38Z] <midfavila> also
[2023-01-16T11:40:39Z] <midfavila> >gnome 4
[2023-01-16T11:40:41Z] <midfavila> disgusting
[2023-01-16T11:40:55Z] <midfavila> return to GNU Teak
[2023-01-16T11:41:45Z] <Ellowee[m]> GNUSTEP
[2023-01-16T11:43:02Z] <midfavila> unfortunately it is only honorary
[2023-01-16T11:43:09Z] <midfavila> for it requires obj-c tooling
[2023-01-16T11:43:27Z] <midfavila> i've considered learning and using WINGs
[2023-01-16T11:44:59Z] <midfavila> ugh work was cancelled today
[2023-01-16T11:45:09Z] <midfavila> i mean it's hailing all day so fair enough i guess but still
[2023-01-16T11:45:33Z] <wael_> ehawkvu: why aren't you building libX11 and libXft with static linking?
[2023-01-16T11:46:48Z] <midfavila> i should also really backport fixes to a pre-xcb libx11...
[2023-01-16T11:47:07Z] <midfavila> fuck xcb so much
[2023-01-16T14:04:30Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2023-01-16T14:04:35Z] <wael_> hi
[2023-01-16T16:43:23Z] <Ellowee[m]> Who was doing the ubuntu kernel as a kiss package
[2023-01-16T16:43:35Z] <wael_> do you know the name of it 
[2023-01-16T16:44:17Z] <Ellowee[m]> That's why I ask :(
[2023-01-16T16:44:23Z] <wael_> j
[2023-01-16T16:45:46Z] <wael_> dude where the fuck is the latest kiss-find
[2023-01-16T16:45:49Z] <wael_> i keep losing it
[2023-01-16T16:47:31Z] <wael_> https://github.com/aabacchus/kiss-find
[2023-01-16T16:49:08Z] <wael_> <Ellowee[m]> "Who was doing the ubuntu..." <- doesn't exist
[2023-01-16T16:49:12Z] <wael_> according to kiss-find atlesat
[2023-01-16T16:49:17Z] <wael_> theres alpine kernel packages tho lol
[2023-01-16T16:52:47Z] <Ellowee[m]> Oh?
[2023-01-16T16:56:04Z] <midfavila> >packaging your kernel
[2023-01-16T16:56:13Z] <neptune_> ubuntu kernel?
[2023-01-16T16:56:14Z] <wael_> yes that can be quite useful
[2023-01-16T16:56:15Z] <midfavila> goodness gracious me oh my
[2023-01-16T16:56:24Z] <midfavila> how far you've fallen, wael_
[2023-01-16T16:56:28Z] <midfavila> to the stocks with you
[2023-01-16T16:56:41Z] <wael_> What?
[2023-01-16T16:57:55Z] <Ellowee[m]> neptune_: Someone mentioned packaging it here some time ago and I really am getting tired of configuring manually and missing a lot of features
[2023-01-16T16:58:14Z] <neptune_> oh cool
[2023-01-16T17:01:31Z] <wael_> just look at ubuntu kernel .config
[2023-01-16T17:21:01Z] <wael_> midfavila: do you know any good X email client?
[2023-01-16T17:21:11Z] <midfavila> xmh
[2023-01-16T17:21:13Z] <midfavila> :D
[2023-01-16T17:21:27Z] <wael_> is that a real thing or are you fucking with me
[2023-01-16T17:22:08Z] <midfavila> look it up and find out nerd
[2023-01-16T17:22:09Z] <midfavila> = w
[2023-01-16T17:22:10Z] <midfavila> =
[2023-01-16T17:24:13Z] <wael_> ok is there another good one other than xmh that looks reasonably good
[2023-01-16T17:24:33Z] <midfavila> dunno
[2023-01-16T17:24:43Z] <wael_> just lookin for an alternative to aerc
[2023-01-16T17:26:08Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/leahneukirchen/mblaze
[2023-01-16T17:26:54Z] <wael_> for X, like has some form of GUI
[2023-01-16T17:27:56Z] <illiliti> you don't want cli?
[2023-01-16T17:28:51Z] <wael_> i mean i do, but i just wanna see how gui is like
[2023-01-16T17:28:55Z] <wael_> if i want cli i'd go with aerc
[2023-01-16T17:29:15Z] <illiliti> aerc is tui
[2023-01-16T17:29:22Z] <wael_> yes tui
[2023-01-16T17:32:15Z] <midfavila> unironically just use mh
[2023-01-16T17:32:18Z] <midfavila> superior mailer
[2023-01-16T17:32:37Z] <wael_> Does It Have a TUI or a GUI Mr. Mid
[2023-01-16T17:32:44Z] <midfavila> neither
[2023-01-16T17:32:49Z] <wael_> Fuck That
[2023-01-16T17:32:54Z] <midfavila> but xmh sits on top of it
[2023-01-16T17:32:56Z] <midfavila> :^)
[2023-01-16T18:20:58Z] <sad_plan> Ellowee[m]: dilyn did. theres an issue or pr on codeberg
[2023-01-16T18:21:23Z] <sad_plan> Ellowee[m]: https://codeberg.org/kiss-community/repo/pulls/132
[2023-01-16T18:21:39Z] <sad_plan> wael_: youre wrong, it does exist
[2023-01-16T18:21:58Z] <wael_> i said it doesn't exist according to kiss-find
[2023-01-16T18:22:10Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: whats wrong with letting kiss build your kernel? I do that, and I find it way more usefull imo
[2023-01-16T18:22:22Z] <wael_> >i fucking commented on the damn pr
[2023-01-16T18:22:25Z] <sad_plan> ah, well its because its not merged yet
[2023-01-16T18:22:30Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2023-01-16T18:32:35Z] <sad_plan> s/kiss build your kernel/kiss manage your kernel/
[2023-01-16T19:03:09Z] <oak[m]> Does anyone know how youre supposed to install mkiss? It doesn't provide any tarballs
[2023-01-16T19:05:16Z] <sad_plan> I dont see any reason why you couldnt just use a regular kiss-tarball and just use mkiss repo instead
[2023-01-16T19:05:34Z] <wael_> because mkiss has an entirely different core/ than to kisslinux
[2023-01-16T19:05:38Z] <wael_> which makes it pretty hard to transform to mkiss
[2023-01-16T19:06:00Z] <sad_plan> I know, but seeing as we have the alternative system, switching things out is rather simple
[2023-01-16T19:06:16Z] <wael_> switching out the entire coreutils
[2023-01-16T19:06:20Z] <wael_> well sure i guess
[2023-01-16T19:06:31Z] <wael_> mkiss uses gnu coreutils btw 
[2023-01-16T19:07:01Z] <sad_plan> unless mkiss uses llvm, just switching repos should be trivial. even then, you can still just use konimex's old kiss-llvm to convert to llvm
[2023-01-16T19:07:15Z] <sad_plan> I dont see why that matters. just build coreutils, then switch to coreutils
[2023-01-16T19:12:10Z] <sad_plan> just like you switch to toybox. btw, how did that go? did you get things up and running sufficently?
[2023-01-16T19:19:31Z] <oak[m]> <sad_plan> "I know, but seeing as we have..." <- I dont even know what i should be switching out though
[2023-01-16T19:20:46Z] <sad_plan> to coreutils, and w/e else mkiss have, that kiss does not
[2023-01-16T19:21:32Z] <sad_plan> it seems mkiss uses coreutils instead of busybox, so you would build coreutils, among other things, then just use the alternative system to switch to coretuils
[2023-01-16T19:21:50Z] <sad_plan> why not just use regular kiss?
[2023-01-16T19:22:57Z] <wael_> mkiss has tons of packages and has gnome
[2023-01-16T19:23:12Z] <wael_> using bash as the build shebang too
[2023-01-16T19:23:33Z] <sad_plan> I noticed
[2023-01-16T19:23:38Z] <wael_> and many packages that need depends are simply missing the 'depends' file
[2023-01-16T19:24:12Z] <sad_plan> sloppy
[2023-01-16T19:24:34Z] <sad_plan> also from my point of view, it mostly looks like dartmans personal repo
[2023-01-16T19:25:41Z] <wael_> honestly if she's doing all of that with regular kiss why even use kiss
[2023-01-16T19:26:15Z] <sad_plan> source based distro though. still better than genpoo as testuser refer to it as :p
[2023-01-16T19:26:18Z] <wael_> the fucking sheer amount of packages are insane
[2023-01-16T19:26:45Z] <sad_plan> I noticed. I was looking in core, and I was in awe of the amount of pacakges in just core alone..
[2023-01-16T19:27:04Z] <wael_> this person is managing to maintain god knows how many packages better than kiss maintainers probably
[2023-01-16T19:27:38Z] <sad_plan> maybe
[2023-01-16T19:27:46Z] <wael_> I take my words back
[2023-01-16T19:28:20Z] <wael_> theres probably more packages in mkiss/core than there are in community
[2023-01-16T19:28:55Z] <oak[m]> <sad_plan> "why not just use regular kiss?" <- I am right now, I want multilib though. Flatpak hasnt been very reliable for me
[2023-01-16T19:29:24Z] <wael_> I literally maintain a multilib repo for gkiss and im using flatpak right now
[2023-01-16T19:29:55Z] <wael_> with working sound and it works really great
[2023-01-16T19:30:24Z] <sad_plan> oak[m]: then get multilib. wael_ has the repo for it as he mentioned.
[2023-01-16T19:30:31Z] <oak[m]> Using proton with the flatpak breaks most games for me
[2023-01-16T19:30:45Z] <sad_plan> core has 198 packages it seems. which is just ludicrus
[2023-01-16T19:31:05Z] <oak[m]> sad_plan: I would have to switch to gkiss
[2023-01-16T19:31:28Z] <wael_> mate
[2023-01-16T19:31:34Z] <wael_> I can make a lib32-musl 
[2023-01-16T19:31:36Z] <sad_plan> you can. I dont play much games anymore, and if I do, Ive instead used a chroot for artix, or just dualboot artix
[2023-01-16T19:31:54Z] <wael_> probably a whole lot fucking easier than glibc
[2023-01-16T19:31:55Z] <oak[m]> wael_: Thats not how it worjs
[2023-01-16T19:31:59Z] <oak[m]> Works
[2023-01-16T19:32:03Z] <wael_> glibc lib32 required by multilib gcc required by glibc lib32
[2023-01-16T19:32:11Z] <wael_> oak[m]: you're not the one who decides
[2023-01-16T19:32:15Z] <oak[m]> Musl doesnt have multilib
[2023-01-16T19:32:19Z] <wael_> gcc lib32 is required
[2023-01-16T19:32:27Z] <oak[m]> Yes
[2023-01-16T19:32:32Z] <wael_> oak[m]: multilib in this context is a library or program to lib32
[2023-01-16T19:32:35Z] <wael_> aka 32-bit
[2023-01-16T19:32:37Z] <wael_> aka ia32
[2023-01-16T19:32:52Z] <wael_> AFAIK GCC needs a glibc lib32 header for multilib
[2023-01-16T19:33:39Z] <oak[m]> sad_plan: Chroot hasnt been reliable for me too
[2023-01-16T19:33:40Z] <oak[m]> I really just want native
[2023-01-16T19:34:41Z] <sad_plan> I get that. native is obviously best
[2023-01-16T19:35:27Z] <wael_> oak[m]: If you want to know if you can use multilib with musl
[2023-01-16T19:35:41Z] <wael_> actually I'll do this on my phone nvm brb
[2023-01-16T19:36:11Z] <wael_> Nvm
[2023-01-16T19:36:20Z] <wael_> https://docs.voidlinux.org/xbps/repositories/index.html?highlight=Multil#multilib
[2023-01-16T19:36:34Z] <wael_> So yeah multilib is only available for glibc I believe
[2023-01-16T19:36:56Z] <wael_> I'm not sure why that is. Oak, if you can you can research about it and see if its really possiblr
[2023-01-16T19:37:57Z] <wael_> Nvm again
[2023-01-16T19:37:59Z] <wael_> https://wiki.musl-libc.org/guidelines-for-distributions.html
[2023-01-16T19:38:04Z] <wael_> musl itself can't even do multilib
[2023-01-16T19:38:11Z] <wael_> so basically its not possible
[2023-01-16T19:38:24Z] <wael_> Oak, you're fucked
[2023-01-16T19:38:27Z] <oak[m]> wael_: Thats what im saying
[2023-01-16T19:38:53Z] <oak[m]> wael_: Yes
[2023-01-16T19:38:54Z] <wael_> So then do it lol
[2023-01-16T19:38:54Z] <oak[m]> Thats why gkiss might be better
[2023-01-16T19:38:55Z] <wael_> Or use flatpak
[2023-01-16T19:38:55Z] <wael_> Which is more realistic
[2023-01-16T19:38:55Z] <wael_> And is better
[2023-01-16T19:39:09Z] <wael_> But you have 'doesn't work on my machine'
[2023-01-16T19:39:13Z] <wael_> syndrome
[2023-01-16T19:39:23Z] <oak[m]> Ill do gkiss later this week or next week
[2023-01-16T19:39:27Z] <oak[m]> because compiling
[2023-01-16T19:39:36Z] <wael_> if you need help with gkiss
[2023-01-16T19:39:54Z] <wael_> you can ask for help from testuser
[2023-01-16T19:39:54Z] <oak[m]> ok
[2023-01-16T19:40:10Z] <wael_> wael_: (sorry for useless ping)
[2023-01-16T21:16:44Z] <neptune_> what wm do you use, midfavila? i wanted to ask but i forgot lmao
[2023-01-16T21:17:12Z] <wael_> twm I believe
[2023-01-16T21:17:40Z] <neptune_> oh nice
[2023-01-16T22:21:04Z] <midfavila> yes. i use twm
[2023-01-16T22:21:54Z] <midfavila> sorry, i felt like shit earlier so i went for a nap
[2023-01-16T22:21:56Z] <midfavila> and now it's 6pm
[2023-01-16T22:24:47Z] <wael_> it
[2023-01-16T22:24:51Z] <wael_> 1am
[2023-01-16T22:25:11Z] <wael_> I'm going to have a crisp 4 hours of slerp
[2023-01-16T22:25:47Z] <midfavila> you should place higher priotity on resting
[2023-01-16T22:42:52Z] <saturn[m]> true