[2023-10-05T10:24:28Z] hji [2023-10-05T10:24:32Z] hi [2023-10-05T12:39:27Z] hi [2023-10-05T13:02:24Z] hi [2023-10-05T14:46:43Z] You are all using wayland, or someone went (or just didn't move from) X ? [2023-10-05T14:46:57Z] I use tinyx [2023-10-05T14:47:10Z] Why don't use wayland ? [2023-10-05T14:47:14Z] Not a critic [2023-10-05T14:47:45Z] I like wayland, but like you need pipewire to do screenshot etc, it's fucking sad [2023-10-05T14:47:48Z] X was simpler [2023-10-05T14:48:11Z] meh, ive not yet found a wm that I like [2023-10-05T14:48:30Z] im in no hurry in switching anyway so [2023-10-05T14:48:55Z] I know of spkp, but its broken beyond my ability to fix [2023-10-05T14:49:26Z] I also happen to like that tinyx doesnt require mesa. so initially, I just dont require that much stuff [2023-10-05T14:50:10Z] Yeah understandable and I guess X won't die anyways, there's some active fork like the OpenBSD one [2023-10-05T14:50:18Z] IIRC NetBSD also has its own X fork [2023-10-05T14:50:43Z] yeah, xenocara is cool. but ive never got it to work. it did build, but it never launched for me. [2023-10-05T14:50:45Z] do they? [2023-10-05T14:51:00Z] Yeah NetBSD has it's own "modular" X fork [2023-10-05T14:52:09Z] sad_plan: what repo do you use for X stuff [2023-10-05T14:52:12Z] but its already somewhat modular, so I dont get the deal [2023-10-05T14:52:17Z] my own, or kiss-xorg [2023-10-05T14:52:22Z] s/or/and [2023-10-05T14:53:23Z] The X.org X11 Server from the modularized source tree of [2023-10-05T14:53:25Z] X.org X11. [2023-10-05T14:53:27Z] https://pkgsrc.se/x11/modular-xorg-server [2023-10-05T14:53:37Z] my bad it's not a fork it seems [2023-10-05T14:54:37Z] very well then [2023-10-05T15:30:20Z] vova: you need pipewire for screensharing not screenshotting [2023-10-05T15:31:38Z] yeah my bad [2023-10-05T15:31:44Z] But you see what I mean [2023-10-05T15:31:58Z] pipewire for screensharing, for accessing webcam and so on, it's sad [2023-10-05T15:32:01Z] X you need nothing [2023-10-05T15:34:20Z] in my eyes the difference between X and wayland is that wayland is core and all features are external (like screensharing, compositing, input, etc) while X is a big monolithic do-all [2023-10-05T15:34:45Z] Yeah but that's the issue [2023-10-05T15:34:55Z] most applications want easier route for screensharing for wayland so they go with dbus, then the portal wlroots which itself needs pipewire [2023-10-05T15:34:57Z] why the fuck do you need pipewire if you just want to screenshare [2023-10-05T15:35:28Z] because wayland doesn't provide it [2023-10-05T15:35:32Z] like what if I want to use alsa for the sound, I'm still forced to use pipewire [2023-10-05T15:36:05Z] then dont screenshare [2023-10-05T15:37:34Z] :( [2023-10-05T15:37:41Z] pipewire is the new systemd [2023-10-05T15:37:51Z] bloatware [2023-10-05T15:38:13Z] atleast pipewire gives you some form of freedom and control over all of its modules and such, can disable dbus if needed [2023-10-05T15:38:31Z] Yeah but still too big [2023-10-05T15:38:32Z] i use pipewire to have the ability to easily switch audio devices [2023-10-05T15:39:12Z] and also most applications dont support bare ALSA [2023-10-05T15:39:21Z] atleast that i use [2023-10-05T15:43:36Z] tinyalsa and alsa-lib is all that I need. ive been trying to rid myself of alsa-lib though, and just use sndio/tinyalsa, but ive yet to get it to work [2023-10-05T15:44:29Z] sad_plan: doesnt sndio on linux simply run as compatibility layer for ALSA? or does linux support sndio natively [2023-10-05T15:44:41Z] ive used sndio on openbsd and i can say its better than alsa AND pipewire by miles [2023-10-05T15:48:17Z] im not sure actually tbh. I seem to recall I got it working once, but then I rebuilt my system, and Ive never gotten it to work after that [2023-10-05T15:48:42Z] sndio is supported on linux. no patches is afaik required [2023-10-05T15:51:01Z] that sounds cool [2023-10-05T15:53:23Z] sure [2023-10-05T15:54:50Z] on their website, it states its actually a server. and so is alsa-lib's aserver. so.. I would assume it would be possible. I dunno.