2020-10-20T00:02:03 #kisslinux super late to the convo about packaging 2020-10-20T00:02:21 #kisslinux but Linux From Scratch also provides great info for writing KISS packages 2020-10-20T00:02:33 #kisslinux as well as sources and patches and the like 2020-10-20T00:19:17 #kisslinux it's one of the three places i check for packaging help 2020-10-20T00:59:24 #kisslinux why do some packages need eudev? does it provide functionalities that things lime mdev doesn't? 2020-10-20T01:30:06 #kisslinux Rio6, it's part of the systemd takeover strategy. udev has been made part of systemd and udev itself a dependency on some key components 2020-10-20T01:35:43 #kisslinux seems like xorg would need the most work if i want to remove it 2020-10-20T01:35:55 #kisslinux libudev-zero is a drop-in replacement 2020-10-20T01:36:04 #kisslinux dylanaraps: https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot/issues/170 2020-10-20T01:36:27 #kisslinux foot will no longer need compose files to launch 2020-10-20T01:37:40 #kisslinux how does libudev-zero work 2020-10-20T01:38:00 #kisslinux do i need to run like mdev alone side 2020-10-20T01:38:10 #kisslinux https://github.com/illiliti/libudev-zero 2020-10-20T01:38:28 #kisslinux you don't *need* a device manager. I ran without one for months 2020-10-20T01:40:09 #kisslinux looks like it's only needed for for plugging 2020-10-20T01:40:19 #kisslinux pretty much 2020-10-20T01:40:28 #kisslinux but can use what ever, i'm guessing 2020-10-20T01:40:50 #kisslinux busy box mdev or other things 2020-10-20T01:41:07 #kisslinux or the kernel! 2020-10-20T01:41:11 #kisslinux it reads uevents 2020-10-20T01:41:49 #kisslinux kernel can do it? 2020-10-20T01:41:58 #kisslinux whats the point of everything else then 2020-10-20T01:42:02 #kisslinux :p 2020-10-20T01:42:35 #kisslinux ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 2020-10-20T01:45:13 #kisslinux i think kernel can mount /dev too 2020-10-20T01:45:23 #kisslinux I want to reduce my mount script 2020-10-20T01:45:28 #kisslinux to a single mount -@ 2020-10-20T01:45:33 #kisslinux -a 2020-10-20T01:45:51 #kisslinux does /sys gets mounted? 2020-10-20T01:49:34 #kisslinux i'm not seeing it 2020-10-20T01:50:18 #kisslinux is /sys needed so early? couldn't you just add it to fstab? 2020-10-20T01:50:33 #kisslinux (I don't honestly know the answer) 2020-10-20T02:20:13 #kisslinux Now I want to try and run without a device manager 2020-10-20T02:32:51 #kisslinux Noticed they linked to pure sh bible in hacker news again 2020-10-20T02:32:57 #kisslinux Classic 2020-10-20T03:50:13 #kisslinux So, in today's troubleshooting adventures, I wiped CRUX and I'm using Puppy as a liveboot host... this time when it boots it hangs after GRUB loads the kernel without any useful errors 2020-10-20T03:50:33 #kisslinux but hey! keyboard input is working now, so we have to count the upsides, I guess 2020-10-20T04:43:52 #kisslinux welp, booting to a login prompt... with no keyboard input, again... 2020-10-20T04:43:56 #kisslinux *sigh* 2020-10-20T04:57:12 #kisslinux okay, finally, after four days of fucking around and redoing everything, it's finally working 2020-10-20T04:57:25 #kisslinux time to compile all the xorg stuff 2020-10-20T05:19:35 #kisslinux o/ 2020-10-20T05:22:28 #kisslinux Apologies for not being around. To keep things short... someone poisoned my cats. Three have passed away the last couple days. 2020-10-20T05:24:07 #kisslinux dilynm: Saw your issue yesterday. Great news for foot. Keeps getting better. 2020-10-20T05:38:09 #kisslinux dylanaraps: I'm so incredibly sorry to hear that :'( 2020-10-20T06:01:59 #kisslinux dylanaraps: i can't update `ccache` cmake have no permission says 2020-10-20T06:02:22 #kisslinux "/home/eudaldgr/var/kiss/repos/repo/extra/ccache/build: line 7: cmake: Permission denied" 2020-10-20T06:02:45 #kisslinux i'm rebuilding it now 2020-10-20T06:06:50 #kisslinux I can't reproduce at all 2020-10-20T06:06:57 #kisslinux Does running 'cmake' in the terminal work? 2020-10-20T06:32:35 #kisslinux by the way, you missed the cmake makedep on ccache 2020-10-20T06:34:56 #kisslinux also today ff82 should be released iirc 2020-10-20T06:39:27 #kisslinux konimex: Thanks. I'm building Firefox right now actually. :P 2020-10-20T08:08:53 #kisslinux dylanaraps: i can update after rebuild cmake 2020-10-20T08:08:58 #kisslinux thanks 2020-10-20T08:10:01 #kisslinux dilyn: the option session_traking can't be 'yes', only 'systemd' 'logind' or 'no' 2020-10-20T10:02:50 #kisslinux FreeType 2.10.4 is an emergency release fixing a severe vulnerability in embedded PNG bitmap handling. 2020-10-20T10:05:37 #kisslinux https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2020-15999 2020-10-20T12:56:37 #kisslinux >someone poisoned my cats - who would do such a thing?! :( 2020-10-20T12:58:38 #kisslinux That is indeed terrible.. Cats are amazing. 2020-10-20T12:59:14 #kisslinux some people are just sick 2020-10-20T13:00:31 #kisslinux 😢 2020-10-20T13:08:01 #kisslinux Why would anyone do a horrible thing like poisoning a cat?! 2020-10-20T13:09:14 #kisslinux Sorry to hear that my friend. 2020-10-20T13:31:44 #kisslinux probably somehow the person in question got annoyed by at least one cat, maybe it was shitting in front of his door 2020-10-20T13:35:05 #kisslinux I'm thinking about going about to xorg :( 2020-10-20T13:37:40 #kisslinux Does anyone know of a way to get emacs to work on wayland without X? 2020-10-20T13:40:47 #kisslinux isnt emacs supposed to be a console app 2020-10-20T13:41:34 #kisslinux It has a gui as well 2020-10-20T13:41:53 #kisslinux I use both just want to try out gui on wayland 2020-10-20T13:42:19 #kisslinux Do you mean to tell me the one thing emacs isn't I'd a Wayland compositor 2020-10-20T13:42:26 #kisslinux s/I'd/is 2020-10-20T13:42:37 #kisslinux Lmao 2020-10-20T13:44:55 #kisslinux emacs uses gtk3 for the GUI right? Only thing I can think of in that case is build gtk3 with the wayland backend instead of the x11 backend. So you'd have to edit the gtk+3 build script, remove --enable-x11-backend and replace it with --enable-wayland-backend 2020-10-20T13:45:35 #kisslinux Yeah I have gtk+3 with wayland backend but I wasn't aware emacs used gtk3 2020-10-20T13:46:29 #kisslinux I'm pretty sure it does, lemme look real quick 2020-10-20T13:48:02 #kisslinux Yeah, so in the emacs build script, you'll change --with-x-toolkit=athena to --with-x-toolkit-gtk3 it looks like 2020-10-20T13:48:28 #kisslinux I haven't tried it, I don't use emacs, but that looks promising at least :-) 2020-10-20T13:48:38 #kisslinux Thanks! 2020-10-20T13:49:03 #kisslinux Oops I mean --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 2020-10-20T13:51:48 #kisslinux kk thank you 2020-10-20T13:51:57 #kisslinux does it support gtk2 too ? 2020-10-20T13:52:16 #kisslinux No problem ;) 2020-10-20T13:52:57 #kisslinux And yeah, according to the configure script, it says it supports gtk, gtk2, gtk3, lucid, athena, motif 2020-10-20T13:53:36 #kisslinux oooh, motif. that one has a beard longer than bill gates nose 2020-10-20T13:53:46 #kisslinux ah xorg is still needed in emacs-27 but in emacs-28 they are gonna have proper gtk3 support which means native wayland support 2020-10-20T13:54:21 #kisslinux Ah dang, well, at least it's coming 2020-10-20T13:55:21 #kisslinux Yeah i'll just stick with the terminal version for now. I may pull down latest git and see if it usable currently 2020-10-20T13:59:20 #kisslinux Found where it is stored away at currently they are looking to get it merged https://github.com/masm11/emacs 2020-10-20T14:00:50 #kisslinux How do you specify a branch in sources for kiss? 2020-10-20T14:07:57 #kisslinux Nvm 2020-10-20T14:25:52 #kisslinux I think it will work but unfortunately needs gobject-introspection 2020-10-20T14:30:52 #kisslinux is anyone else getting a bunch of missing *.la file errors when building updates? I've had it happen libexpat.la with gtk+3, libharfbuzz.la with xorg-server, and libX11.la with imlib2 2020-10-20T14:36:18 #kisslinux ominous_anonymou so the package manager is a bit .. opinionated, and removes .la files before install 2020-10-20T14:36:57 #kisslinux so this is a depends issue i guess? 2020-10-20T14:37:45 #kisslinux in order to keep those files around long enough? 2020-10-20T14:41:24 #kisslinux anyone sure what this means from a gtk app? No icon window available 2020-10-20T14:42:36 #kisslinux ominous_anonymou: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/blob/master/kiss#L763-L769 2020-10-20T14:44:22 #kisslinux micr0 and here too maybe? https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200727 2020-10-20T14:48:51 #kisslinux i deleted all .la files and everything built successfully. I was gone for a bit and that "change" occurred at the perfect time to have me miss it i guess 2020-10-20T14:52:29 #kisslinux appreciate the help :) 2020-10-20T16:04:00 #kisslinux hb flanders-fields? 2020-10-20T16:10:37 #kisslinux Firefox build fails, known bug? 2020-10-20T16:24:07 #kisslinux kciN I was not able to get firefox to compile with kiss, had to do it manually 2020-10-20T16:24:09 #kisslinux was a big pita 2020-10-20T16:24:20 #kisslinux with 82, maybe itll just work 2020-10-20T16:27:45 #kisslinux how about I just go with firefox-bin 2020-10-20T16:27:55 #kisslinux as i understand its a binary package 2020-10-20T16:27:57 #kisslinux ? 2020-10-20T16:29:40 #kisslinux yeah i did that but had wayland/sway issues 2020-10-20T17:16:22 #kisslinux micr0 it seems like the kiss wayland repos build of firefox is outdated 2020-10-20T17:16:43 #kisslinux it doesn't have the rust 1.47.0 patch 2020-10-20T17:18:08 #kisslinux I'd compare the wayland and kisslinux/core packages and try to see which parts are needed for wayland 2020-10-20T17:18:17 #kisslinux and then add the other new stuff to the wayland build 2020-10-20T17:21:58 #kisslinux for some unholy reason some files from /etc/profile.d get sourced on login and some do not when I log in as non root 2020-10-20T17:23:07 #kisslinux oops, no, they do 2020-10-20T17:24:11 #kisslinux but st can't seem to know some of the aliases until I run '. /etc/profile' 2020-10-20T17:29:36 #kisslinux the profile is only sourced when you run your shell as login shell 2020-10-20T17:29:48 #kisslinux also, some shells only source ~/.profile and not /etc/profile 2020-10-20T17:31:41 #kisslinux i've added '. /etc/profile' to my .profile and it didnt help 2020-10-20T17:32:42 #kisslinux I've even copied /etc/profile to my .profile 2020-10-20T17:33:19 #kisslinux and chmod +xd it 2020-10-20T17:35:20 #kisslinux I've tried putting simple alias bat='echo bat' into my .profile, got error while trying to call bat 2020-10-20T17:39:23 #kisslinux also, is there a way to figure out which package provides desired file eg 'libintl.so'? 2020-10-20T17:41:49 #kisslinux kiss owns 2020-10-20T17:45:52 #kisslinux doesn't work 2020-10-20T17:46:10 #kisslinux even kiss owns firefox outputs nothing 2020-10-20T17:49:43 #kisslinux then none of your installed packages owns the file 2020-10-20T17:49:55 #kisslinux oh wait 2020-10-20T17:50:00 #kisslinux did you just type firefox? 2020-10-20T17:50:04 #kisslinux you need the full path to the file 2020-10-20T17:51:21 #kisslinux full path worked 2020-10-20T17:51:24 #kisslinux tahnks 2020-10-20T17:51:28 #kisslinux no problem 2020-10-20T17:51:45 #kisslinux the command just looks through all package manifests till it finds a file that matches the thing you typed 2020-10-20T17:51:51 #kisslinux but I want to figure out what package I have to install in order to get libintl.so 2020-10-20T17:51:56 #kisslinux ohhhh 2020-10-20T17:52:02 #kisslinux that's harder 2020-10-20T17:52:19 #kisslinux I believe it's part of the gettext thingy 2020-10-20T17:52:27 #kisslinux at least on alpine 2020-10-20T17:52:56 #kisslinux then try installing that I guess 2020-10-20T17:53:17 #kisslinux but I cant find gettext package with kiss :) 2020-10-20T17:53:49 #kisslinux https://k1ss.org/software 2020-10-20T17:54:01 #kisslinux > KISS has no need for: 2020-10-20T17:54:03 #kisslinux bash, dbus, fakeroot, file, ca-certificates, atk-brige-*, gettext, 2020-10-20T17:54:05 #kisslinux intltool, autoconf, automake, libtool, yasm, shared-mime-info, ... 2020-10-20T17:54:07 #kisslinux y 2020-10-20T17:54:29 #kisslinux you'll either have to find someone elses repo 2020-10-20T17:54:34 #kisslinux or just package it yourself 2020-10-20T17:56:34 #kisslinux I'll try... 2020-10-20T17:57:51 #kisslinux making kiss packages is very simple 2020-10-20T17:58:02 #kisslinux won't be hard 2020-10-20T17:59:36 #kisslinux thats one of the main reasons i got interested in kiss actually 2020-10-20T17:59:55 #kisslinux yeah, everything is very simple and nice 2020-10-20T17:59:59 #kisslinux and you can tinker freely 2020-10-20T18:00:01 #kisslinux but after several days of getting everything to work I am pretty tired 2020-10-20T18:00:39 #kisslinux and i still dont have trackpad, external mice and nvidia gpu support 2020-10-20T18:01:25 #kisslinux welp, I never had any issues with mice or the like, so I can't help you there :/ 2020-10-20T18:01:59 #kisslinux they should be easy fixes, nvm 2020-10-20T18:02:19 #kisslinux at least easier than fucking xorg segfaulting, or kernel panickng 2020-10-20T18:02:44 #kisslinux jesus 2020-10-20T18:02:48 #kisslinux what did you do that caused that? 2020-10-20T18:03:24 #kisslinux did not build nvme support into the kernel despite booting from one 2020-10-20T18:03:30 #kisslinux ah 2020-10-20T18:03:44 #kisslinux did not build intel graphics into the kernel 2020-10-20T18:04:21 #kisslinux basically i tried to remove everything unnecessary from the kernel and ended up removing too much 2020-10-20T18:04:32 #kisslinux ah, happens 2020-10-20T18:04:49 #kisslinux yeah, I'm relatively new to linux 2020-10-20T18:05:04 #kisslinux installed my first distro around 6 months ago 2020-10-20T18:05:12 #kisslinux nice 2020-10-20T18:05:21 #kisslinux moved from windows then I assume? 2020-10-20T18:05:43 #kisslinux yeah 2020-10-20T18:06:16 #kisslinux I have learned so fucking much, I love it 2020-10-20T18:06:40 #kisslinux it's fun :) 2020-10-20T18:06:54 #kisslinux and useful 2020-10-20T18:06:57 #kisslinux yes 2020-10-20T18:37:58 #kisslinux midfavila how did your gnu install go? 2020-10-20T18:38:15 #kisslinux I've just tried installing glibc and it failed 2020-10-20T18:38:19 #kisslinux well, I gave up on gkiss last night 2020-10-20T18:38:33 #kisslinux but I managed to get a partially working regular install 2020-10-20T18:38:44 #kisslinux so I'm confident enough in my config to try again 2020-10-20T18:38:47 #kisslinux so far so good 2020-10-20T18:39:16 #kisslinux I just cloned grepo and hoped for it to just werk but well... 2020-10-20T18:39:24 #kisslinux oof 2020-10-20T18:39:30 #kisslinux yeah, i wouldn't do that 2020-10-20T18:39:58 #kisslinux you need to go from the gkiss tarball 2020-10-20T18:39:59 #kisslinux sometimes... you just want things to just work... 2020-10-20T18:40:01 #kisslinux if you want a glib kiss system you should use the gkiss tarball, otherwise it's gonna be a lovecraftian nightmare to manage 2020-10-20T18:40:07 #kisslinux yeah 2020-10-20T18:40:45 #kisslinux as an aside 2020-10-20T18:40:55 #kisslinux no, I just want stupid dotnet core to work, which requires libintl.so 2020-10-20T18:41:08 #kisslinux has anyone had issues with u/mdev not starting during boot? 2020-10-20T18:41:33 #kisslinux I would personally just not touch dot net 2020-10-20T18:41:44 #kisslinux this 2020-10-20T18:41:51 #kisslinux dotnet is totally un-based 2020-10-20T18:42:05 #kisslinux if you have to, either use wine or another distro in a chroot 2020-10-20T18:42:17 #kisslinux I know, I know, but I have to 2020-10-20T18:42:22 #kisslinux or a vm, though that might be a bit overkill 2020-10-20T18:42:26 #kisslinux hm 2020-10-20T18:42:36 #kisslinux no, it actually worked on alpine 2020-10-20T18:42:45 #kisslinux if you want to maintain proper compatibility on a nix system you should check out bedrock 2020-10-20T18:43:05 #kisslinux bedrock seems a bit messy though 2020-10-20T18:43:08 #kisslinux no I have to do some asp work 2020-10-20T18:43:14 #kisslinux to be fair, I've never used it 2020-10-20T18:43:23 #kisslinux bedrock is a molten clusterfuck 2020-10-20T18:43:28 #kisslinux but it's also cool 2020-10-20T18:43:42 #kisslinux > clusterfuck 2020-10-20T18:43:46 #kisslinux > cool 2020-10-20T18:43:49 #kisslinux choose one 2020-10-20T18:43:54 #kisslinux well, I'm on gentoo at the moment, and it's hard to out clusterfuck portage 2020-10-20T18:43:59 #kisslinux it's cool in the ways only a clusterfuck can be 2020-10-20T18:44:01 #kisslinux and uh 2020-10-20T18:44:10 #kisslinux portage hasn't got shit on bedrock 2020-10-20T18:44:21 #kisslinux in terms of clusterfuckedness 2020-10-20T18:44:36 #kisslinux portage is written in (((python))) 2020-10-20T18:44:40 #kisslinux it abuses chroots to let you do things like use apt on arch 2020-10-20T18:44:46 #kisslinux because why the fuck not 2020-10-20T18:44:50 #kisslinux kciN tripple parenthesis cringe 2020-10-20T18:44:58 #kisslinux I can't imagine why someone would do such an athrocity 2020-10-20T18:45:08 #kisslinux and god, I hate python, but I'm too much of a brainlet to learn C or something 2020-10-20T18:45:15 #kisslinux deppy no 2020-10-20T18:45:24 #kisslinux what do you mean no 2020-10-20T18:45:34 #kisslinux I mean it is not cringe 2020-10-20T18:45:48 #kisslinux nazi dogwhistles aren't cringe? 2020-10-20T18:46:09 #kisslinux freaking out about a random dude on irc is kinda cringe 2020-10-20T18:46:12 #kisslinux :v 2020-10-20T18:46:25 #kisslinux the word nazi is cringe 2020-10-20T18:46:51 #kisslinux jesus christ 2020-10-20T18:46:59 #kisslinux thats also cringe 2020-10-20T18:47:04 #kisslinux lel, he must have seen the way the conversation was going 2020-10-20T18:47:17 #kisslinux or not 2020-10-20T18:47:39 #kisslinux maybe he was right all along 2020-10-20T18:47:47 #kisslinux kek 2020-10-20T18:49:04 #kisslinux fuck off nazi 2020-10-20T18:49:15 #kisslinux heck off commie 2020-10-20T18:49:37 #kisslinux god I hate this dualizm 2020-10-20T18:50:14 #kisslinux or whatever the fuck is going on in (((politics))) 2020-10-20T18:51:38 #kisslinux Like deppy said, fuck off nazi 2020-10-20T18:51:59 #kisslinux >use triple parentheses 2020-10-20T18:51:59 #kisslinux >they're now a nazi 2020-10-20T18:52:07 #kisslinux reasonable and sound logic 2020-10-20T18:52:28 #kisslinux I love how people get triggered over stupid 4chan stuff 2020-10-20T18:52:39 #kisslinux either way, I think that was a record for invoking godwin's law 2020-10-20T18:53:45 #kisslinux Dumbass, why do you think nazis use these fucking dogwhistles. It's so idiots like you will be like "oh c'mon they're not nazis just because they use the anti-semitic code that all the Nazis use" 2020-10-20T18:54:07 #kisslinux "it's just some parentheses that all these nazis happen to use, doesn't mean they're a nazi" 2020-10-20T18:54:10 #kisslinux I propose new law, as years go on, the time untill that stuff gets mentioned approaches 0 2020-10-20T18:54:23 #kisslinux I don't think arguing is going to get far E5ten 2020-10-20T18:54:38 #kisslinux sure, bro, if he breathes he a nazi 2020-10-20T18:54:57 #kisslinux I mean, I used to moderate a group with some pretty extreme individuals all over. I'm familiar with dogwhistling 2020-10-20T18:55:15 #kisslinux I'm just at the point where the reactions from people like you have rendered me incapable of caring 2020-10-20T18:55:23 #kisslinux not to mention the meaning of the fucking word is even more blurred than commie nowadays 2020-10-20T18:55:53 #kisslinux sure buddy 2020-10-20T18:56:15 #kisslinux midfavila: "too many people reacted negatively to nazi dogwhistles so now I don't care when people use them" 2020-10-20T18:56:29 #kisslinux "reasonable and sound logic" 2020-10-20T18:56:38 #kisslinux besides why on earth would a member of some political group or whatever would want to (((dogwhistle))) in a fucking tech irc 2020-10-20T18:57:00 #kisslinux You tell me, I'm not the one doing it, you are 2020-10-20T18:57:03 #kisslinux Pretty much, yeah. I'm more exhausted with people having a reddit moment over ((())) than the ocassional use of ((())) 2020-10-20T18:57:22 #kisslinux "I'm more exhausted with people complaining about nazis than nazis" 2020-10-20T18:57:24 #kisslinux "I'm more upset people are worried about nazis than people bein nazis" 2020-10-20T18:57:27 #kisslinux lmao 2020-10-20T18:57:41 #kisslinux considering using a meme is now enough to brand someone a nazi, yeah 2020-10-20T18:57:49 #kisslinux ayyy, you guys have such a diverse thoughts 2020-10-20T18:57:53 #kisslinux how is a nazi dogwhistle a meme 2020-10-20T18:58:05 #kisslinux > pepes 2020-10-20T18:58:13 #kisslinux > ok sign 2020-10-20T18:58:16 #kisslinux a meme is any sort of viral content, dude 2020-10-20T18:58:25 #kisslinux social genes or whatever 2020-10-20T18:58:38 #kisslinux doesn't have to be a top text bottom text post 2020-10-20T18:58:41 #kisslinux > (((insert your favorite character))) was right 2020-10-20T18:59:07 #kisslinux ok but I don't see why anyone who is not alt right would use alt right dogwhistles 2020-10-20T18:59:14 #kisslinux >alt right 2020-10-20T18:59:18 #kisslinux some people just cant stop imagining (((him))) everywhere 2020-10-20T18:59:27 #kisslinux there is nothing funyn about it, there is no punchline, what's the joke? 2020-10-20T18:59:32 #kisslinux funny* 2020-10-20T18:59:35 #kisslinux midfavila: So if dogwhistles are things meant to signal terrible shit to people who are in on them, but appear innocuous to others, and you know these are dogwhistles, and are acting like they're innocuous, that kinda makes you a fucking idiot doesn't it 2020-10-20T18:59:43 #kisslinux the joke is that you think they're a significant element in society 2020-10-20T18:59:46 #kisslinux deppy your reaction 2020-10-20T18:59:58 #kisslinux to the point that you're freaking out in a chat about an obscure unix-like 2020-10-20T19:00:07 #kisslinux you can claim to be ironic all you want but in the end you're still signaling the ideologies and allowing those who support them to grow 2020-10-20T19:00:46 #kisslinux idk dude I'm just here for the gnu+funnies 2020-10-20T19:01:00 #kisslinux I don't understand what is going on? 2020-10-20T19:01:05 #kisslinux check logs 2020-10-20T19:01:24 #kisslinux I dont care if any ideology grows, even "awful" ones, quite the oposite, I like diversity in thought 2020-10-20T19:01:26 #kisslinux kciN used ((())) so now deppy and E5ten are freaking 2020-10-20T19:01:43 #kisslinux you don't care if there are more nazis? 2020-10-20T19:01:48 #kisslinux no I dont 2020-10-20T19:01:57 #kisslinux What is ((())) i'm out of the loop 2020-10-20T19:01:58 #kisslinux you do not mind more people who advocate for the genocide of innocents? 2020-10-20T19:02:03 #kisslinux How unreasonable of us to complain about the guy using the "I'm a nazi" signal 2020-10-20T19:02:12 #kisslinux it's a meme used on 4chan by a lot of /pol/lacks 2020-10-20T19:02:14 #kisslinux Much more unreasonable than using the "I'm a nazi" signal 2020-10-20T19:02:17 #kisslinux I dont, really 2020-10-20T19:02:20 #kisslinux it's not a fucking meme 2020-10-20T19:02:27 #kisslinux yeah, it is dude 2020-10-20T19:02:28 #kisslinux muevoid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses 2020-10-20T19:02:39 #kisslinux > citing wikipedia 2020-10-20T19:02:49 #kisslinux convenient place to get a definition from 2020-10-20T19:02:57 #kisslinux totally unbiased 2020-10-20T19:03:02 #kisslinux never said that 2020-10-20T19:03:08 #kisslinux especially when it comes to politics 2020-10-20T19:03:11 #kisslinux no source is unbiased 2020-10-20T19:03:21 #kisslinux It's literally used to signal to other nazis that someone is a Jew and should be harassed 2020-10-20T19:03:23 #kisslinux The fuck is wrong with you kciN 2020-10-20T19:03:25 #kisslinux That's not a fucking meme 2020-10-20T19:03:38 #kisslinux oh yeah they might have some hot political takes like "DO NOT ADVOCATE FOR GENOCIDE" 2020-10-20T19:03:42 #kisslinux Yeah that isn't a fucking meme 2020-10-20T19:03:51 #kisslinux muevoid: what's wrong with them is they're a nazi 2020-10-20T19:04:22 #kisslinux Almost 1million people if not more died in camps 2020-10-20T19:04:31 #kisslinux And you think it is a meme 2020-10-20T19:04:49 #kisslinux nah, tens of milions died in gulags 2020-10-20T19:04:59 #kisslinux and yes we joke about gulags 2020-10-20T19:05:05 #kisslinux ok, we're not talking about the war crimes of the soviet union 2020-10-20T19:05:12 #kisslinux don't you start deflecting 2020-10-20T19:05:13 #kisslinux And midfavila, maybe reconsider running cover for nazis just because you find people complaining about nazis "exhausting" 2020-10-20T19:05:30 #kisslinux They're not worth debating, fascists never debate in good faith 2020-10-20T19:05:42 #kisslinux talk about faschism 2020-10-20T19:05:48 #kisslinux i'm not really doing anything here lel 2020-10-20T19:06:09 #kisslinux And I know dylanaraps has said he's against any kind of speech regulation but I strongly feel that nazis using dogwhistles should be banned 2020-10-20T19:06:24 #kisslinux > YOU CANT JUST SIT THERE WHEN SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH ME OR I GET TRIGGERED BY A MEME 2020-10-20T19:06:45 #kisslinux lol based 2020-10-20T19:06:47 #kisslinux Trying to frame nazi dogwhistles as a meme isn't gonna work 2020-10-20T19:06:48 #kisslinux kek 2020-10-20T19:07:06 #kisslinux good thing you're not a mod E5ten 2020-10-20T19:07:24 #kisslinux wait, lemme do this 2020-10-20T19:07:33 #kisslinux And they didn't "just sit there", they defended you against accusations of being a nazi despite using nazi dogwhistles, that's siding with nazis, not "just sitting there" 2020-10-20T19:07:36 #kisslinux > MUH 6 GORRILION 2020-10-20T19:07:46 #kisslinux oh look gender-neutral newspeak: "wrong with them is they're" 2020-10-20T19:07:51 #kisslinux okay, now ur ready to lynch me, aint you? 2020-10-20T19:08:23 #kisslinux at this point I'd rather side with kciN than you, E5 2020-10-20T19:08:28 #kisslinux you're being a massive cunt 2020-10-20T19:08:30 #kisslinux :v 2020-10-20T19:09:02 #kisslinux did somebody say fascism 2020-10-20T19:09:24 #kisslinux be careful, peeps, do not include two sequential h's in your nick 2020-10-20T19:09:37 #kisslinux or god forbids 88 or some shit like that 2020-10-20T19:10:08 #kisslinux NUMBERS, LETTERS AND PARENTHESES SHALL BE BANNED 2020-10-20T19:10:23 #kisslinux ban me daddy 2020-10-20T19:11:37 #kisslinux Yeah it would be terrible if people weren't allowed in a chat for saying heil hitler, that would really be a ridiculous restriction 2020-10-20T19:11:44 #kisslinux Let us not ban the opposition, but rather mock and ridicule them openly, or challenge them to an intellectual exchange of ideas or debate, if they be worthy 2020-10-20T19:12:06 #kisslinux based mussolini 2020-10-20T19:12:06 #kisslinux nah bro, just cancell them 2020-10-20T19:12:08 #kisslinux :v 2020-10-20T19:12:12 #kisslinux thats much easier 2020-10-20T19:12:23 #kisslinux :) 2020-10-20T19:13:37 #kisslinux anyways, gotta go make aryan race great again, see you guys in lebensraum or whatever 2020-10-20T19:13:43 #kisslinux E5ten, do you believe men were on the moon? 2020-10-20T19:17:13 #kisslinux only woman 2020-10-20T19:23:53 #kisslinux This chat became toxic mad fast 2020-10-20T19:24:23 #kisslinux Doesn't it merely boil down to the fact that there is no good reason to use nazi dogwhistles unless you ARE a nazi? It seems so simple and obvious 2020-10-20T19:24:38 #kisslinux Yes 2020-10-20T19:24:52 #kisslinux well yeah 2020-10-20T19:25:15 #kisslinux but since they are nazis they are arguing against that 2020-10-20T19:25:25 #kisslinux in order to avoid admitting that they are 2020-10-20T19:26:12 #kisslinux At least they out themselves nowadays. It was way harder to find nazis ten years ago 2020-10-20T19:26:18 #kisslinux either that or they've actually been fooled by other nazis into thinking it's actually not 2020-10-20T19:26:22 #kisslinux but I seriously doubt that 2020-10-20T19:26:44 #kisslinux > At least they out themselfs 2020-10-20T19:26:46 #kisslinux not really 2020-10-20T19:26:52 #kisslinux they always maintain deniability 2020-10-20T19:27:11 #kisslinux I mean if they don't want to be honest with themselves that's not really our problem 2020-10-20T19:27:28 #kisslinux It is when they're here spewing nazi bullshit 2020-10-20T19:27:28 #kisslinux Either they're a nazi or they have poor taste, either way the response is the same 2020-10-20T19:27:31 #kisslinux it's just so they can claim that the people who call them out are commies and equally bad 2020-10-20T19:27:49 #kisslinux and then the third party observing will think the nazis are in the right 2020-10-20T19:27:57 #kisslinux People are idiots. 2020-10-20T19:28:02 #kisslinux true that. 2020-10-20T19:28:05 #kisslinux I sure am, and anyone saying nazis and communists are "equally bad" is likely a nazi 2020-10-20T19:28:13 #kisslinux are you guys still on this? 2020-10-20T19:28:16 #kisslinux Lol 2020-10-20T19:28:21 #kisslinux evidently 2020-10-20T19:28:23 #kisslinux we are 2020-10-20T19:28:56 #kisslinux Sorry I just wanted to hop onto this high horse 2020-10-20T19:28:59 #kisslinux E5ten I don't think that's true though 2020-10-20T19:29:00 #kisslinux apparently i suck at installing things so im just gonna use gnu kiss on my laptop 2020-10-20T19:29:10 #kisslinux to think it all started with someone putting parentheses around python 2020-10-20T19:29:22 #kisslinux import antisemitism 2020-10-20T19:29:30 #kisslinux definently in this context, but generally there are plenty of people who are just stupid 2020-10-20T19:29:44 #kisslinux kinkinkijkin what didn 2020-10-20T19:29:46 #kisslinux oops 2020-10-20T19:29:53 #kisslinux what didn't work to install? 2020-10-20T19:30:04 #kisslinux I get if you're from reddit and think that the memes someone uses dictate everything about them, but like... that's just not true 2020-10-20T19:30:07 #kisslinux i tried installing wyverkiss but messed up the order 2020-10-20T19:30:27 #kisslinux took about a week before i got to the point i realized i screwed the order cause my laptop is SLOW 2020-10-20T19:30:47 #kisslinux all that LLVM compilation for nothing :( 2020-10-20T19:30:53 #kisslinux yep 2020-10-20T19:31:04 #kisslinux compiled llvm 3 and a half times 2020-10-20T19:31:14 #kisslinux It's better just to start with the tarball tbh 2020-10-20T19:40:37 #kisslinux dilynm you convinced me to switch to llvm mue linux now uses it lol 2020-10-20T19:41:03 #kisslinux And I only had to ditch one piece of software 2020-10-20T19:42:07 #kisslinux Which one out of curiosity lol? 2020-10-20T19:42:11 #kisslinux Elfutils? 2020-10-20T19:42:19 #kisslinux libmupdf 2020-10-20T19:42:36 #kisslinux I'll check out why it doesn't work with clang when I get home 2020-10-20T19:42:41 #kisslinux Maybe I can make a patch 2020-10-20T19:44:23 #kisslinux Send build log if you can the error might be helpful 2020-10-20T19:44:59 #kisslinux I've had issues with building libmupdf on my gentoo machine recently 2020-10-20T19:45:03 #kisslinux wonder if that's related somehow 2020-10-20T19:45:35 #kisslinux I'll check it out rn 2020-10-20T19:45:40 #kisslinux I'm immensely bored at work 2020-10-20T19:50:00 #kisslinux what are nazi dog whistles and how is it kiss? 2020-10-20T19:50:40 #kisslinux things that nazis can say to express themselfs under the radar and I don't think it's very kiss at all 2020-10-20T19:50:51 #kisslinux well, it's pretty simple 2020-10-20T19:50:57 #kisslinux but otherwise not at all 2020-10-20T19:52:45 #kisslinux ah boring world problems 2020-10-20T19:58:37 #kisslinux to fight boredom, read my conspiracy theories about python and gtk https://sabotage-linux.github.io/blog/8/ 2020-10-20T20:05:17 #kisslinux micr0: FF 82 seems to be building fine so far, hopefully i can push that today 2020-10-20T20:06:50 #kisslinux It's something to do with ld E5ten 2020-10-20T20:07:38 #kisslinux :copy 2020-10-20T20:07:40 #kisslinux oops 2020-10-20T20:08:17 #kisslinux sh4rm4^bnc Nice post 2020-10-20T20:08:26 #kisslinux fun read 2020-10-20T20:08:37 #kisslinux Only downside to gtk+2 is no wayland support 2020-10-20T20:08:52 #kisslinux not sure if I buy into it 2020-10-20T20:08:56 #kisslinux Eh, not much of a downside afaic 2020-10-20T20:09:08 #kisslinux It's a matter of opinion 2020-10-20T20:09:20 #kisslinux wayland imo is a lot more "kiss" then xorg can ever be 2020-10-20T20:09:32 #kisslinux I should reword not ever be but most likely will ever be 2020-10-20T20:10:07 #kisslinux Also for ip vs ifconfig nothing stops people from using ifconfig does it? 2020-10-20T20:10:22 #kisslinux I think more and more distros are dropping it 2020-10-20T20:10:33 #kisslinux or at least planning to 2020-10-20T20:10:43 #kisslinux I think it's deprecated for now 2020-10-20T20:10:44 #kisslinux Couldn't you always package it yourself? Ik it isn't ideal but still an option 2020-10-20T20:10:46 #kisslinux Oh 2020-10-20T20:10:53 #kisslinux yeah, of course you could 2020-10-20T20:10:54 #kisslinux the first thing that stops you is that ubuntu doesnt have it installed... so in order to download net-tools package you gotta setup your stuff with "ip" :-P 2020-10-20T20:11:23 #kisslinux Yeah systemd/udev sucks with network interface names 2020-10-20T20:11:27 #kisslinux python3 I agree with 2020-10-20T20:12:00 #kisslinux I don't really care which version of all the software I have to use 2020-10-20T20:12:04 #kisslinux as long as I don't have to have multiple 2020-10-20T20:12:12 #kisslinux I do agree with build systems. I wish there was one universal standard for the most part preferably make. 2020-10-20T20:12:24 #kisslinux yeah meson just sucks 2020-10-20T20:12:36 #kisslinux Yeah unfortunately a lot of projects are moving to it :( 2020-10-20T20:12:37 #kisslinux qt has their own make system 2020-10-20T20:12:39 #kisslinux so does firefox 2020-10-20T20:12:47 #kisslinux I avoid qt all together and firefox ;) 2020-10-20T20:12:55 #kisslinux what browser do you use? 2020-10-20T20:12:59 #kisslinux webkit2gtk 2020-10-20T20:13:05 #kisslinux * sh4rm4^bnc palemoon 2020-10-20T20:13:22 #kisslinux I like palemoon but the devs are unkind to say the least... 2020-10-20T20:13:31 #kisslinux *insert openbsd issue here* 2020-10-20T20:13:36 #kisslinux if I recall correctly webkit2gtk isn't very secure 2020-10-20T20:13:40 #kisslinux tobin is quite an asshole, but moonchild is half-ways reasonable 2020-10-20T20:13:47 #kisslinux nice post. taking MS as an example is quite bold 2020-10-20T20:14:08 #kisslinux Webkit2gtk had issues in the past but lately they have been working on that quite a bit. 2020-10-20T20:14:20 #kisslinux and you can build with webcrypto 2020-10-20T20:14:26 #kisslinux obsessive[m], thanks. it's to highlight the difference between a successful desktop experience and a broken one 2020-10-20T20:14:56 #kisslinux And previously the kiss build had a lot of issues but I recommended some changes to github community and at least for me every site works even ones that didn't previously such as gitlab. 2020-10-20T20:15:47 #kisslinux Overall I really like the post sh4rm4^bnc 2020-10-20T20:18:21 #kisslinux thanks 2020-10-20T20:18:28 #kisslinux I really didn't want to like emacs :( 2020-10-20T20:18:50 #kisslinux why 2020-10-20T20:19:04 #kisslinux It's a lot more bloated then vim :P 2020-10-20T20:19:13 #kisslinux as much as people like to meme on emacs, it's nothing compared to vscode etc 2020-10-20T20:19:27 #kisslinux it's not a bad editor 2020-10-20T20:19:33 #kisslinux well, I don't personally like it 2020-10-20T20:19:45 #kisslinux but I don't think that makes it a bad choice 2020-10-20T20:19:51 #kisslinux I use doom emacs cause I don't know how anyone could use the emac keybinds 2020-10-20T20:20:00 #kisslinux haha yeah, that's fair 2020-10-20T20:20:08 #kisslinux I tried to learn the default keybinds once 2020-10-20T20:20:18 #kisslinux C-x C-m yuck 2020-10-20T20:20:21 #kisslinux but I forgot them pretty much instantly after the tutorial 2020-10-20T20:20:28 #kisslinux not very semantic 2020-10-20T20:20:35 #kisslinux also hurts your hands 2020-10-20T20:20:43 #kisslinux I just love vi keybinds 2020-10-20T20:20:55 #kisslinux vi keybinds are nice 2020-10-20T20:21:15 #kisslinux That was a fun read sh4 2020-10-20T20:21:24 #kisslinux Love the link to crun. Rich is wonderful. 2020-10-20T20:21:26 #kisslinux https://github.com/containers/crun/issues/495#issuecomment-695862506 2020-10-20T20:21:48 #kisslinux dilynm no worries if not but any luck with libmupdf? 2020-10-20T20:22:16 #kisslinux Still working on it 2020-10-20T20:22:29 #kisslinux It had quite a few deps xD and I needed to track down gnu m4 2020-10-20T20:22:39 #kisslinux No worries lol 2020-10-20T20:23:31 #kisslinux Completely unrelated but klystrack is a really nice chiptune tracker. 2020-10-20T20:25:17 #kisslinux just very CPU hungry 2020-10-20T20:25:35 #kisslinux I don't know of any good alternatives do you? 2020-10-20T20:26:12 #kisslinux i've been using milkytracker 2020-10-20T20:27:02 #kisslinux Hmmm looks nice 2020-10-20T20:27:24 #kisslinux Imma try it out rn 2020-10-20T20:27:37 #kisslinux i'd love to try out adlib tracker 2 but it's written in FPC :-P 2020-10-20T20:27:48 #kisslinux what is fpc? 2020-10-20T20:27:54 #kisslinux might make more sense to use its DOS version under dosbox 2020-10-20T20:27:58 #kisslinux free pascal compiler 2020-10-20T20:28:11 #kisslinux welp, going to sleep now 2020-10-20T20:28:12 #kisslinux it's hardwired to glibc 2020-10-20T20:28:15 #kisslinux night folks 2020-10-20T20:28:20 #kisslinux Night o/ 2020-10-20T20:28:30 #kisslinux any way to increase the pixel size on milkytrack? 2020-10-20T20:28:39 #kisslinux lemme check 2020-10-20T20:29:05 #kisslinux It's so small on my screen I can't see it lol 2020-10-20T20:29:30 #kisslinux iirc there's either a command line option or a config setting 2020-10-20T20:29:36 #kisslinux kk 2020-10-20T20:29:37 #kisslinux but i gotta build it first 2020-10-20T20:30:13 #kisslinux http://0x0.st/iDt7.png 2020-10-20T20:31:22 #kisslinux will take a min or two, i'm on 800 mhz 2020-10-20T20:31:28 #kisslinux Holy 2020-10-20T20:31:33 #kisslinux What cpu? 2020-10-20T20:31:47 #kisslinux core 2 something, but i use powersave CPU governor 2020-10-20T20:32:07 #kisslinux because the fan is badly damaged and overheats immediately on higher speeds 2020-10-20T20:32:10 #kisslinux I found it sorry 2020-10-20T20:32:13 #kisslinux and dang 2020-10-20T20:32:54 #kisslinux where was the option? 2020-10-20T20:33:10 #kisslinux 2020-10-20 21:33:10 building milkytracker (/src/build/build_milkytracker.sh) -> /src/logs/build_milkytracker.log 2020-10-20T20:33:11 #kisslinux 2020-10-20 21:36:23 done. 2020-10-20T20:33:11 #kisslinux got 0 download errors and 0 build errors. 2020-10-20T20:33:11 #kisslinux time spent: 00:04:05 2020-10-20T20:33:12 #kisslinux Config->layout->underneath resolutions scale 2020-10-20T20:33:45 #kisslinux Is there docs somewhere with keybinds? 2020-10-20T20:34:43 #kisslinux Ah nevermind found it 2020-10-20T20:35:30 #kisslinux actually i think milkymist is supposed to be used as full screen app (toggled with alt-enter) 2020-10-20T20:35:59 #kisslinux I don't know if it because of wayland but it has major issues in full screen for me 2020-10-20T20:36:37 #kisslinux even with F11 ? 2020-10-20T20:36:38 #kisslinux Also I don't get any sound hmmmm 2020-10-20T20:36:51 #kisslinux Ah no that fixed it thank you 2020-10-20T20:37:36 #kisslinux config-driver-io 2020-10-20T20:37:44 #kisslinux there's alsa and sdl-sound 2020-10-20T20:38:38 #kisslinux Thank you again 2020-10-20T20:38:47 #kisslinux yw 2020-10-20T20:38:56 #kisslinux btw it has a very neat sample editor 2020-10-20T20:39:08 #kisslinux you can create all kinds of waveforms with the mouse 2020-10-20T20:39:14 #kisslinux there are some tutorials on youtube 2020-10-20T20:39:31 #kisslinux Kk will check them out 2020-10-20T20:39:58 #kisslinux Hmmm still no sound weird 2020-10-20T20:40:49 #kisslinux are you using some demo.xm songs ? 2020-10-20T20:41:59 #kisslinux yes milky.xm 2020-10-20T20:43:32 #kisslinux i tried this one: https://api.modarchive.org/downloads.php?moduleid=190597#henxel_hump.xm , works 2020-10-20T20:45:47 #kisslinux Thanks will try that 2020-10-20T20:46:07 #kisslinux Yeah still no sound 2020-10-20T20:46:38 #kisslinux No worries I like klystrack but i'll keep an eye on milkytrack 2020-10-20T20:46:43 #kisslinux It seems nice 2020-10-20T20:47:40 #kisslinux i've actually contributed some improvements to klystrack's build system... it is pretty "convoluted" 2020-10-20T20:47:57 #kisslinux I haven't really looked at it 2020-10-20T20:48:08 #kisslinux and iirc it uses 100% cpu even when idle 2020-10-20T20:49:02 #kisslinux For me it uses around 30% which obvi isn't amazing but it's good enough for me 2020-10-20T20:49:21 #kisslinux cool then 2020-10-20T20:52:17 #kisslinux Wow I hate libmupdf 2020-10-20T20:52:29 #kisslinux Requires gmake, defaults to g++... 2020-10-20T20:52:39 #kisslinux Lmao 2020-10-20T20:53:10 #kisslinux Yeah it sucks. I'm currently using poppler instead of mupdf but mupdf has support for epubs and is faster. 2020-10-20T20:53:38 #kisslinux Also doesn't find pkgconf? 2020-10-20T20:54:23 #kisslinux Jk that one is kissv6's fault 2020-10-20T20:54:32 #kisslinux E5ten: lawg http://ix.io/2BpQ 2020-10-20T20:58:21 #kisslinux dilynm: could you build with V=1 so I can see the ld invocation? 2020-10-20T20:58:34 #kisslinux Yeah I just realized that 2020-10-20T21:01:32 #kisslinux ix.io/2BpU 2020-10-20T21:02:23 #kisslinux looks the same? 2020-10-20T21:02:54 #kisslinux like not identical (only one error at the end) but still no invocations 2020-10-20T21:04:23 #kisslinux Yeah 2020-10-20T21:04:33 #kisslinux Hmmph 2020-10-20T21:04:38 #kisslinux How make verbosity+ 2020-10-20T21:05:55 #kisslinux seems like 'verbose=yes' 2020-10-20T21:06:01 #kisslinux (looking at the Makefile in browser) 2020-10-20T21:07:27 #kisslinux What did I always think that was an option for make 2020-10-20T21:08:19 #kisslinux http://ix.io/2BpW 2020-10-20T21:11:28 #kisslinux My guess is it's failing to build the .o file 2020-10-20T21:11:43 #kisslinux I think it's the -b binary that's causing it 2020-10-20T21:12:08 #kisslinux I feel like it's probably not this easy, but try just removing the -b binary instance in the Makefile 2020-10-20T21:13:52 #kisslinux "unclosed quote" 2020-10-20T21:13:54 #kisslinux F 2020-10-20T21:14:32 #kisslinux On the same invocation it fails and spits that out 2020-10-20T21:15:20 #kisslinux is that like a shell/make error or an ld error? 2020-10-20T21:15:43 #kisslinux ld 2020-10-20T21:16:22 #kisslinux so it seems this is for converting a binary file to elf/whatever format the platform is, and lld doesn't support it based on mailing list stuff I've found on google 2020-10-20T21:16:31 #kisslinux might be doable using objcopy instead of ld but idk 2020-10-20T21:17:58 #kisslinux himmalerin nice! 2020-10-20T21:18:36 #kisslinux dilynm: can you send the input file that ld is used on so I can play around with it and see if I can figure out a way to do it with objcopy 2020-10-20T21:19:10 #kisslinux Objcopy is acting on that .o file? 2020-10-20T21:19:39 #kisslinux not the .o file, the .o file is supposed to be created by ld from the .cff file 2020-10-20T21:19:49 #kisslinux Aaaahhhh 2020-10-20T21:19:51 #kisslinux Sure 2020-10-20T21:19:51 #kisslinux but lld doesn't support that 2020-10-20T21:21:31 #kisslinux it does seem like to do it with objcopy you'd need the target architecture and format though, and if there is a way to reasonably find the right params for that in the Makefile, I definitely don't know it 2020-10-20T21:21:32 #kisslinux How is best to send this garbled up mess of a cff so nothing gets lost on the way 2020-10-20T21:21:54 #kisslinux would ix fuck it up? 2020-10-20T21:22:06 #kisslinux how about you try using ix, and we'll compare shas 2020-10-20T21:22:48 #kisslinux The link it gives me is not a normal link xD 2020-10-20T21:22:56 #kisslinux IE not plain text but a download 2020-10-20T21:23:38 #kisslinux I guess the browser is interpreting what the link points to and recognizing that it's not plain text? 2020-10-20T21:23:52 #kisslinux Yeah 2020-10-20T21:23:55 #kisslinux send the link anyway I'll try using it and we'll check if sha256sum on yours and mine work 2020-10-20T21:23:56 #kisslinux It might work. Here 2020-10-20T21:24:07 #kisslinux ix.io/2BpY 2020-10-20T21:24:27 #kisslinux sh4rm4^bnc reading you blog now. ifconfig2ip is what im most familiar with. one thing that bothered me was each distro having different ifconfig hooks and support scripts / files for editing networks. What I see now is configs/programs just shell out to ip. So while I agree that the ip tool is more of a sidegrade than an upgrade for interactive commandline use, I really like that my user experience is consistent across distros. 2020-10-20T21:24:38 #kisslinux 5e833db6ebcd4df810075dc538e07e8d9b64a3168da29e93447e9f98852658bc 2020-10-20T21:24:52 #kisslinux 5e833db6ebcd4df810075dc538e07e8d9b64a3168da29e93447e9f98852658bc 2BpY 2020-10-20T21:24:54 #kisslinux Also, I'll ask next time if you actually want more random internet strangers opinions before just barfing them on this channel 2020-10-20T21:25:02 #kisslinux Nice 2020-10-20T21:26:02 #kisslinux Diff doesn't report that the two files have any differences fwiw so have fun 2020-10-20T21:27:48 #kisslinux re:adapter renaming I am super happy to have consistent (i.e. mac-address-based) adapter names on multiple bringup, but I build peer-to-peer internet-optional social & disaster recovery networks so maybe thats not a normal usecase. 2020-10-20T21:28:15 #kisslinux dilynm: yeah it seems you need to know the target format (and possibly architecture) to pass to objcopy 2020-10-20T21:28:18 #kisslinux so I don't know of a way to deal with that 2020-10-20T21:28:46 #kisslinux It just means you can't fix it in general though, right? 2020-10-20T21:28:52 #kisslinux Muevoid could still build it hisself 2020-10-20T21:29:17 #kisslinux nice post though, thanks for writing it 2020-10-20T21:30:15 #kisslinux yeah I think if you modified the Makefile to use like objcopy -I binary -O $< $@ instead of the ld invocation it'd work, but it's not a general solution because idk how you'd get the correct format for 2020-10-20T21:30:29 #kisslinux but yeah muevoid could hardcode the correct value there 2020-10-20T21:32:55 #kisslinux actually if you're gonna hardcode output format anyway, I think you can just add "-m elf_amd64" to the ld command and that'd also work 2020-10-20T21:33:18 #kisslinux btw, I successfully ran a not-completely-trivial podman-compose up --build for work, so I can say the jedahan repo has pretty much everything needed to run podman 2020-10-20T21:33:31 #kisslinux I am still testing out rootless support, but it seems like that is working as well 2020-10-20T21:34:26 #kisslinux I am also wondering if I should split out the podman-specific stuff into its own kiss repo so people dont need all my personal packages. If enough people (let's say 3) express interest i will split it out 2020-10-20T21:34:42 #kisslinux maybe call it kiss-containers or something 2020-10-20T21:35:11 #kisslinux dilynm: wait maybe if you do HAVE_OBJCOPY=no it'd work? idk if their alternate method works on linux or not but might be worth a try 2020-10-20T21:36:30 #kisslinux micro0: Built fine with the remove gtk+2 patch so i added that and pushed everything, lmk if it builds fine when you get a chance 2020-10-20T21:36:41 #kisslinux Will test in a few 2020-10-20T21:38:35 #kisslinux himmalerin will test now, though I think dylanaraps said that ff82 requires node15. Is that true? 2020-10-20T21:38:57 #kisslinux regardless i will try building right now 2020-10-20T21:39:16 #kisslinux should report back in 90 minutes if it is successfull 2020-10-20T21:39:46 #kisslinux dilynm: I think that'll work actually, it seems like they have their own command named "hexdump" (not the normal hexdump) that can be used instead of objcopy to generate a source file that'll incorporate the binary data 2020-10-20T21:40:04 #kisslinux though, i wonder if my self-compiled version will be overwritten 2020-10-20T21:40:19 #kisslinux or if I can even uninstall my self-compiled version cleanly, lol 2020-10-20T21:40:38 #kisslinux you can do it 2020-10-20T21:40:47 #kisslinux You could while it and just read kiss' manifest to delete the files 2020-10-20T21:40:49 #kisslinux :p 2020-10-20T21:41:00 #kisslinux s/while/read 2020-10-20T21:41:07 #kisslinux Wait no 2020-10-20T21:41:09 #kisslinux Smfhhhh 2020-10-20T21:47:07 #kisslinux actually now that i think of it I should have just created a chroot to test building just firefox 2020-10-20T21:47:19 #kisslinux not too late, but im hopeful anyway 2020-10-20T21:53:50 #kisslinux micr0, thanks for feedback 2020-10-20T21:53:55 #kisslinux > each distro having different ifconfig hooks and support scripts / files for editing networks 2020-10-20T21:54:15 #kisslinux what annoyed me about that, is they have levels of indirection instead of doing things straight 2020-10-20T21:54:35 #kisslinux this is probably due to the network manager design 2020-10-20T21:54:56 #kisslinux these days i guess most just do it the "systemd way" 2020-10-20T21:56:03 #kisslinux in sabotage one just stuffs his static ip into rc.local 2020-10-20T21:56:59 #kisslinux (or runs dhclient $itf if desired) 2020-10-20T21:57:43 #kisslinux question for you guys 2020-10-20T21:57:44 #kisslinux have you ever had an issue where the tty will only use a portion of your screen after loading your graphics driver? 2020-10-20T22:01:01 #kisslinux I have that issue plugging in external monitors 2020-10-20T22:01:38 #kisslinux hmm. well, I'm on a multihead desktop. amdgpu 2020-10-20T22:01:46 #kisslinux good that it's reproducible though 2020-10-20T22:03:54 #kisslinux wonder if building the drivers and stuff right into the kernel would do it... udev really seems to be having issues for me 2020-10-20T22:04:34 #kisslinux micr0: re "ff82 requires node15", I built it with node15 so I can't confirm one way or the either. Definitely does work w/ v15 though 2020-10-20T23:00:35 #kisslinux E5ten: exporting HAVE_OBJCOPY=no does not seem to work 2020-10-20T23:01:45 #kisslinux But putting it in make {...} like a sophisticated person succeeds 2020-10-20T23:03:53 #kisslinux muevoid: this should work ix.io/2BqF 2020-10-20T23:15:23 #kisslinux on one hand their ld method avoids generating giant C files, but honestly I think it'd be preferable to just remove the HAVE_OBJCOPY=yes paths and always do the thing that always works, even if it does generate large C files