2021-04-07T00:02:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> good to know
2021-04-07T00:02:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> caddy is surprisingly light! I have no idea how heavy a lot of these things :S
2021-04-07T00:02:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm just a scrub i guess
2021-04-07T00:02:41 #kisslinux <acheam> caddy is love
2021-04-07T00:03:23 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm actually setting up a caddy install as we speak
2021-04-07T00:03:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice!
2021-04-07T00:10:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://poolp.org/posts/2019-09-14/setting-up-a-mail-server-with-opensmtpd-dovecot-and-rspamd/ sick
2021-04-07T00:13:43 #kisslinux <acheam> mmmmm
2021-04-07T00:14:02 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm happily suprised that you're setting this up today lol
2021-04-07T00:22:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> not to the setup stage yet, just a lot of searching to make sure I have a basic idea of what I'm gonna do
2021-04-07T00:22:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> gonna make dinner soon, will either start work late tonight or tomorrow
2021-04-07T00:23:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> but yeah, people seem sincerely earnest in using this sort of infrastructure so I have no problems putting it up
2021-04-07T00:23:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> plus, the experience makes me more exployable ;)
2021-04-07T00:23:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/exployable/employable/
2021-04-07T00:23:21 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> plus, the experience makes me more employable ;)
2021-04-07T00:23:23 #kisslinux <acheam> tbf I've been the main proponent of this infrastructure lol
2021-04-07T00:23:26 #kisslinux <acheam> (so thank you)
2021-04-07T00:23:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's a freudian slip because jobs are exploitation
2021-04-07T00:23:50 #kisslinux <acheam> if you need me to host anything lmk
2021-04-07T00:23:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> you have been but noocsharp has also shown interest and two is a large enough percentage of users in this case xD
2021-04-07T00:23:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure for sure!
2021-04-07T00:24:00 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-04-07T00:24:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I do already host mirrors of the repos
2021-04-07T00:24:14 #kisslinux <acheam> still need to make them cloneable though
2021-04-07T00:24:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's as easy as using git-daemon :o
2021-04-07T00:24:31 #kisslinux <acheam> oh?
2021-04-07T00:24:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-04-07T00:24:44 #kisslinux <acheam> over http?
2021-04-07T00:24:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> you just touch a file in the repo named.. something
2021-04-07T00:25:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah my mirrors are served over https!
2021-04-07T00:25:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> just do touch path/to/repo.git/git-daemon-export-ok
2021-04-07T00:25:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> and... something else... should've bookmarked the guide
2021-04-07T00:26:10 #kisslinux <acheam> yep its that
2021-04-07T00:27:48 #kisslinux <acheam> woah
2021-04-07T00:27:51 #kisslinux <acheam> many thanks
2021-04-07T00:27:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-on-the-Server-Git-Daemon
2021-04-07T00:27:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure
2021-04-07T00:28:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ye I already have that open
2021-04-07T00:28:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> i didn't expect it to be so easy haha
2021-04-07T00:28:07 #kisslinux <acheam> so that does git://
2021-04-07T00:28:12 #kisslinux <acheam> but what about https:// I wonder
2021-04-07T00:29:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> watch it be the most impossible task lmao
2021-04-07T00:30:06 #kisslinux <acheam> eh this is good enough for me
2021-04-07T00:30:07 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T00:30:29 #kisslinux <acheam> but now the real question: do I leave sr.ht as the clone url on all my repos or not
2021-04-07T00:30:51 #kisslinux <acheam> it is these questions that lead me to getting 0 work done
2021-04-07T00:33:39 #kisslinux <acheam> also shamelss plug, you might consider my stagit fork, which I feel comfortable saying is a better version of what you're running right now
2021-04-07T00:33:56 #kisslinux <acheam> (you're running the Demonstrandum fork, right?)
2021-04-07T00:35:20 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry for the spam amount of messages
2021-04-07T00:39:14 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word
2021-04-07T00:39:17 #kisslinux <acheam> enjoy
2021-04-07T00:39:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm just running the upstream stagit from codemadness
2021-04-07T00:40:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-07T00:40:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> i like the sound of your fork
2021-04-07T00:40:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I might switch to it :v
2021-04-07T00:40:55 #kisslinux <acheam> did you aplay it?
2021-04-07T00:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know how fancy this should be. I still need to twiddle with the css
2021-04-07T00:41:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc
2021-04-07T00:41:56 #kisslinux <chira> hi all
2021-04-07T00:42:10 #kisslinux <chira> hope you had a good weekend
2021-04-07T00:42:14 #kisslinux <acheam> hi chira
2021-04-07T00:42:17 #kisslinux <acheam> yes indeed
2021-04-07T00:42:24 #kisslinux <acheam> although the weekend feels like it was a while ago
2021-04-07T00:42:38 #kisslinux <chira> back to the grind :)
2021-04-07T00:42:47 #kisslinux <acheam> unfortunately
2021-04-07T00:43:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's almost friday!
2021-04-07T00:43:36 #kisslinux <chira> had a question about main repo: i think latest? commit wasnt signed
2021-04-07T00:43:52 #kisslinux <chira> friday! damn i should check calendar more often
2021-04-07T00:44:03 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yes it is 9hrs closer to being next friday than to being last friday
2021-04-07T00:44:14 #kisslinux <acheam> wait no
2021-04-07T00:44:18 #kisslinux <acheam> 35hrs
2021-04-07T00:44:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I can't do math
2021-04-07T00:45:04 #kisslinux <chira> i think this one (for wpa manpages i think) Commit 8c08e27a does not have a GPG signature
2021-04-07T00:45:44 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah that was phoebos[m]1
2021-04-07T00:46:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ah sorry
2021-04-07T00:46:34 #kisslinux <acheam> is 36044BBA6223E34D the correct key?
2021-04-07T00:46:38 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> my private keys are on an encrypted partition i haven't logged into which i need to get round to
2021-04-07T00:47:06 #kisslinux <acheam> protip:  git config --global commit.gpgsign true
2021-04-07T00:47:30 #kisslinux <acheam> (if you copy your keys over)
2021-04-07T00:47:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> yeah that's the one acheam
2021-04-07T00:47:40 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-04-07T00:47:46 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm kind of annoyed at my keys ngl
2021-04-07T00:47:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I have one from 4 years ago i've since lost
2021-04-07T00:48:04 #kisslinux <acheam> (blame that on me being a stupid young'un)
2021-04-07T00:48:09 #kisslinux <chira> gnupg very weird
2021-04-07T00:48:13 #kisslinux <acheam> and my current key has like 3 revoked emails
2021-04-07T00:48:28 #kisslinux <chira> is very*  :)
2021-04-07T00:49:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> does merge.verifySignatures automatically download public keys?
2021-04-07T00:49:40 #kisslinux <acheam> i highly doubt it
2021-04-07T00:49:49 #kisslinux <acheam> and don't know how to easily check
2021-04-07T00:49:58 #kisslinux <acheam> (besides the docs ofc)
2021-04-07T00:50:05 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lol
2021-04-07T00:50:30 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i mean i can't sign with dilyn's key so whats the point of signing if no one will be able to verify my sig
2021-04-07T00:50:39 #kisslinux <acheam> no it doesn't look like it automatically gets public keys according to the docs
2021-04-07T00:50:43 #kisslinux <acheam> which is a good thing IMO
2021-04-07T00:50:49 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> yeah
2021-04-07T00:50:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, your key is on the keyservers
2021-04-07T00:51:00 #kisslinux <acheam> so anyone can fetch it
2021-04-07T00:51:02 #kisslinux <acheam> (I already have)
2021-04-07T00:51:05 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> true
2021-04-07T00:51:10 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> im so popular
2021-04-07T00:51:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> but how do i stop people like chira getting that error
2021-04-07T00:51:20 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah
2021-04-07T00:51:30 #kisslinux <acheam> don't automatically verify commits
2021-04-07T00:51:36 #kisslinux <acheam> or import people's keys
2021-04-07T00:51:48 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ach ok
2021-04-07T00:51:50 #kisslinux <acheam> i think
2021-04-07T00:51:56 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe there is a better way
2021-04-07T00:52:05 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> bit of a pain
2021-04-07T00:52:14 #kisslinux <acheam> perhaps we should setup a system where if you commit to the main repo you need to submit your public key
2021-04-07T00:52:24 #kisslinux <acheam> it could be a kiss package
2021-04-07T00:52:38 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> that's a good idea IMO
2021-04-07T00:52:49 #kisslinux <acheam> so you install the gpg-signatures package and it has all the pubkeys of people who have committed to the reop
2021-04-07T00:52:50 #kisslinux <acheam> repo
2021-04-07T00:53:00 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: your approval, please?
2021-04-07T00:53:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> a similar method would be to have a kiss keyserver and then get kiss to check it on updates
2021-04-07T00:53:58 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-04-07T00:54:03 #kisslinux <acheam> thats too reliant on infra
2021-04-07T00:54:04 #kisslinux <acheam> IMO
2021-04-07T00:54:22 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> aye probably not very keep it simple stupid
2021-04-07T00:54:35 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a good ida though
2021-04-07T00:54:39 #kisslinux <acheam> s/ida/idea
2021-04-07T00:54:40 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> thats a good idea though
2021-04-07T00:54:46 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe it could be fleshed out into something more kiss
2021-04-07T00:54:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what if i dont care about signed commits?
2021-04-07T00:55:08 #kisslinux <acheam> then just don't enable the git setting
2021-04-07T00:55:10 #kisslinux <acheam> and you're good
2021-04-07T00:55:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> `git config --global merge.verifySignatures false`
2021-04-07T00:55:31 #kisslinux <acheam> but you should consider caring
2021-04-07T00:55:40 #kisslinux <acheam> given that your running code on your system
2021-04-07T00:55:43 #kisslinux <acheam> verifying it would be good
2021-04-07T00:56:00 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i can literally read it
2021-04-07T00:56:06 #kisslinux <acheam> sure
2021-04-07T00:56:07 #kisslinux <acheam> then do that
2021-04-07T00:56:22 #kisslinux <acheam> what if I don't care about reading it?
2021-04-07T00:56:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> tbf kiss's official repos all get approved by dilyn, it's fairly secure in that sense
2021-04-07T00:57:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i agree with phoebos here
2021-04-07T00:57:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> signing is still good though
2021-04-07T00:57:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> unlikely though it may be, signing is also an integrity check
2021-04-07T00:57:48 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> incase someone takes over github
2021-04-07T00:58:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: do you use pip by chance?
2021-04-07T00:58:07 #kisslinux <acheam> but the point is verifying that the person approving it *is* dilyn
2021-04-07T00:58:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I use the AUR too, noocsharp
2021-04-07T00:58:24 #kisslinux <acheam> come after me
2021-04-07T00:59:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: there's my problem: i can't sign as dilyn so if any pull request is merged then it's not gonna be signed by dilyn
2021-04-07T00:59:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i use both too, there's no integrity checking, and its fine (well aur at least)
2021-04-07T00:59:36 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1: that's why i'm suggesting the public key package
2021-04-07T00:59:47 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: agreed
2021-04-07T00:59:53 #kisslinux <acheam> but dilyn, me, and testuser[m]_ are the only people capable of pushing to that repo
2021-04-07T01:00:17 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lets hope you three don't go rogue
2021-04-07T01:00:19 #kisslinux <acheam> so at the very least, the three of us should have it
2021-04-07T01:00:36 #kisslinux <acheam> the three musketeers steal KISS from its users
2021-04-07T01:00:37 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine that
2021-04-07T01:01:06 #kisslinux * phoebos[m]1 forks kiss-community
2021-04-07T01:01:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I wouldn't do it though because dilyn would spend a week reading the documentation before getting started
2021-04-07T01:01:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lmaoo
2021-04-07T01:03:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the reason i came here: dilyn: https://nihaljere.xyz/0001-libksba-bump-to-1.5.1.patch
2021-04-07T01:03:44 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T01:21:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-04-07T01:22:13 #kisslinux <riteo_> do other commands exist here?
2021-04-07T01:22:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> !no
2021-04-07T01:22:28 #kisslinux <riteo_> I see
2021-04-07T01:22:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> will apply soonly noocsharp
2021-04-07T01:22:41 #kisslinux <riteo_> is that meant to run C# code
2021-04-07T01:23:53 #kisslinux <riteo_> oh god I'm dumb
2021-04-07T01:24:03 #kisslinux <riteo_> I completely misunderstood your message, sorry
2021-04-07T01:24:24 #kisslinux <riteo_> I didn't get that you talked to noocsharp and wondered what command was that
2021-04-07T01:26:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-07T01:26:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> wouldn't that be something
2021-04-07T02:06:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think I'm almost done with kissbot's replacement
2021-04-07T02:06:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Until I've tested it more it'll most likely be more buggy than kissbot :V
2021-04-07T02:06:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Maybe tomorrow it'll get a quote module, heh
2021-04-07T02:07:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Question is, do I do a forced beta by pushing the replacement bot here?
2021-04-07T02:09:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-04-07T02:09:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> nothing like beta testing from your peers
2021-04-07T02:11:22 #kisslinux <riteo_> yes
2021-04-07T02:12:44 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-07T02:12:46 #kisslinux <acheam> absoluteley
2021-04-07T02:12:49 #kisslinux <riteo_> god sed is so weird and almost limiting
2021-04-07T02:12:53 #kisslinux <acheam> how do you do the regexes?
2021-04-07T02:12:54 #kisslinux <riteo_> should I learn awk?
2021-04-07T02:12:58 #kisslinux <acheam> sed is limiting?
2021-04-07T02:13:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> sed is powerful
2021-04-07T02:13:03 #kisslinux <acheam> you haven't learned sed well then
2021-04-07T02:13:08 #kisslinux <riteo_> I guess
2021-04-07T02:13:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> sed is freeing
2021-04-07T02:13:12 #kisslinux <acheam> dylan was a big proponent of awk
2021-04-07T02:13:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> awk is also really good
2021-04-07T02:13:21 #kisslinux <acheam> s/awk/sed/
2021-04-07T02:13:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> awk is love awk is life
2021-04-07T02:13:22 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T02:13:22 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> dylan was a big proponent of sed
2021-04-07T02:13:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> diff tools tho
2021-04-07T02:13:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: python's re module
2021-04-07T02:13:31 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: oh nice
2021-04-07T02:13:36 #kisslinux <acheam> i like awk though
2021-04-07T02:13:42 #kisslinux <riteo_> I can't replace the first occurence of a string without using GNU estensions
2021-04-07T02:13:44 #kisslinux <riteo_> I feel so dumb rn
2021-04-07T02:13:57 #kisslinux <acheam> my favorite is till 500char long pipelines
2021-04-07T02:14:02 #kisslinux <acheam> s/till/still
2021-04-07T02:14:03 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> my favorite is still 500char long pipelines
2021-04-07T02:14:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> should standard s/match/replace work for first occurence?
2021-04-07T02:14:51 #kisslinux <riteo_> I thought so
2021-04-07T02:14:56 #kisslinux <riteo_> it replaces everything
2021-04-07T02:14:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I recall setting up a sed expression eval bot once, it didn't end well lol. That was the time I learned that sed has a command to read arbitrary files (e.g. ~/.ssh/id_rsa)
2021-04-07T02:15:11 #kisslinux <acheam> ouch
2021-04-07T02:15:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kissbot: begone
2021-04-07T02:15:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I said, GO
2021-04-07T02:15:56 #kisslinux <riteo_> it won't
2021-04-07T02:15:59 #kisslinux <riteo_> it's too powerful
2021-04-07T02:16:01 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> :'(
2021-04-07T02:16:13 #kisslinux <riteo_> OH GOD
2021-04-07T02:16:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> bubbye kissbut
2021-04-07T02:16:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *kissbot
2021-04-07T02:16:21 #kisslinux <acheam> are you bringing in the new one?
2021-04-07T02:16:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yup
2021-04-07T02:16:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kissbutt lol
2021-04-07T02:16:42 #kisslinux <acheam> call the new bot that
2021-04-07T02:17:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol I would, but I want to be able to use the bot in other channels as well
2021-04-07T02:17:20 #kisslinux <acheam> and...
2021-04-07T02:17:26 #kisslinux <acheam> kissbutt is a respectable name
2021-04-07T02:17:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Maybe I should use ifeq as the username...
2021-04-07T02:18:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> huh riteo_ that is dumb that only gnu sed can do it
2021-04-07T02:19:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just tested :<
2021-04-07T02:19:13 #kisslinux <riteo_> why do I have an underscore
2021-04-07T02:19:19 #kisslinux <riteo_> why is there an underscore in my name
2021-04-07T02:19:23 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> it's your lucky day
2021-04-07T02:19:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> special boi
2021-04-07T02:19:29 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> you won the prize
2021-04-07T02:19:32 #kisslinux <riteo_> what
2021-04-07T02:19:38 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> congratulations
2021-04-07T02:19:40 #kisslinux <acheam> you logged on from 2 clients at once earlier I think
2021-04-07T02:19:55 #kisslinux <acheam> so nickserv gave you an alternate
2021-04-07T02:19:59 #kisslinux <riteo_> oh
2021-04-07T02:20:06 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry for ruining the joke that I just realized phoebos[m]1 was doing
2021-04-07T02:20:13 #kisslinux <riteo_> I can't see the second client
2021-04-07T02:20:20 #kisslinux <acheam> you logged off
2021-04-07T02:20:24 #kisslinux <riteo_> I guess I have to reconnect
2021-04-07T02:20:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Your other client quit earlier
2021-04-07T02:20:27 #kisslinux <riteo_> oh
2021-04-07T02:20:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no
2021-04-07T02:20:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I remember seeing it happen a few hours ago
2021-04-07T02:20:30 #kisslinux <riteo_> that was weird
2021-04-07T02:20:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> you should be able to change nick
2021-04-07T02:20:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> riteo_: just /nick riteo
2021-04-07T02:20:36 #kisslinux <riteo> cool
2021-04-07T02:20:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-07T02:20:38 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-04-07T02:20:38 #kisslinux <riteo> thanks
2021-04-07T02:20:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lol
2021-04-07T02:20:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-07T02:20:46 #kisslinux <acheam> good time to learn how to register with nickserv too
2021-04-07T02:20:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> irc oddities
2021-04-07T02:20:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> also yeah register your nick
2021-04-07T02:21:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> very good very stronk
2021-04-07T02:21:22 #kisslinux <acheam> I really can't wait to try out this new regex bot lol
2021-04-07T02:21:28 #kisslinux <riteo> well, since I'm a complete noob in sed and I have no idea how to write anything in awk, do you have any good resources for learning that? Should I go just read the posix specification?
2021-04-07T02:21:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> for awk?
2021-04-07T02:22:09 #kisslinux <riteo> both, I guess. I saw different uses for both of them.
2021-04-07T02:22:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://ferd.ca/awk-in-20-minutes.html
2021-04-07T02:22:41 #kisslinux <riteo> thanks, I'm gonna bookmark it
2021-04-07T02:22:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> the man page for sed is dece
2021-04-07T02:23:04 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: do you have an rss feed?
2021-04-07T02:24:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uh what
2021-04-07T02:24:09 #kisslinux <acheam> on your website
2021-04-07T02:24:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh, uh, no
2021-04-07T02:24:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that reminds me, theres this article I haven't published yet
2021-04-07T02:24:40 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-07T02:24:45 #kisslinux <riteo> just out of curiosity, what time is it in your place?
2021-04-07T02:24:52 #kisslinux <acheam> 1024pm
2021-04-07T02:25:03 #kisslinux <riteo> I find that the best stuff happens in what's basically night where I live
2021-04-07T02:25:11 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-04-07T02:25:15 #kisslinux <riteo> so that's why
2021-04-07T02:25:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> riteo http://shellhaters.org/ has a bunch of stuff too
2021-04-07T02:25:25 #kisslinux <riteo> thanks a lot
2021-04-07T02:26:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> also speaking of regex
2021-04-07T02:26:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive found that using ed really helped me, those fucking "design your regex" sites and tutorials were useless
2021-04-07T02:26:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk, never could retain the info
2021-04-07T02:26:53 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> is there a difference between 2>&1 and 2&>1
2021-04-07T02:27:01 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> they both seem to work
2021-04-07T02:27:16 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-04-07T02:27:21 #kisslinux <acheam> i've always done the second one
2021-04-07T02:27:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> i dont think theres a practical difference
2021-04-07T02:27:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ubuntu forums says the first is posix so ...
2021-04-07T02:28:06 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel so at-risk without kissbot heree
2021-04-07T02:28:10 #kisslinux <acheam> s/heree/here/g
2021-04-07T02:28:11 #kisslinux <acheam> see
2021-04-07T02:28:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> argh all the mistakes
2021-04-07T02:28:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> just wallow in the mistakes
2021-04-07T02:29:56 #kisslinux <riteo> it's been a few minutes and I alrady miss it
2021-04-07T02:30:15 #kisslinux <riteo> it was like a friend I never knew I had
2021-04-07T02:30:25 #kisslinux <riteo> I really miss kissbot
2021-04-07T02:30:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> pooor kissbutt
2021-04-07T02:30:36 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: don't leave us hanging here
2021-04-07T02:30:42 #kisslinux <acheam> bring in the new bot before we can't take it any more
2021-04-07T02:30:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> one sec
2021-04-07T02:31:00 #kisslinux <riteo> I got a chattering keyboard, I need it
2021-04-07T02:31:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hmm it didn't join
2021-04-07T02:33:06 #kisslinux <movzbl> helo frens
2021-04-07T02:33:10 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-04-07T02:33:16 #kisslinux <acheam> kissbutt?
2021-04-07T02:33:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hi movzbl
2021-04-07T02:33:24 #kisslinux <riteo> tilde.team? Wasn't it that host on gemini?
2021-04-07T02:33:25 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-04-07T02:33:28 #kisslinux <movzbl> i can has be elite haggerz?
2021-04-07T02:33:39 #kisslinux <riteo> what
2021-04-07T02:33:41 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: its a tilde community
2021-04-07T02:33:43 #kisslinux <riteo> oh I read it
2021-04-07T02:33:46 #kisslinux <riteo> now
2021-04-07T02:33:56 #kisslinux <movzbl> listen here you little shits
2021-04-07T02:33:59 #kisslinux <acheam> tildes tend to be popular in gemini
2021-04-07T02:34:03 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-04-07T02:34:06 #kisslinux <movzbl> you WILL teah me to be elite haggerz
2021-04-07T02:34:11 #kisslinux <riteo> you already are
2021-04-07T02:34:13 #kisslinux <riteo> you're using IRC
2021-04-07T02:34:19 #kisslinux <movzbl> or you will pay for it
2021-04-07T02:34:27 #kisslinux <movzbl> LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE FUCKING SHITS
2021-04-07T02:34:31 #kisslinux <riteo> I said that you're already
2021-04-07T02:34:36 #kisslinux <riteo> bruh
2021-04-07T02:34:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-07T02:34:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I was just going to say
2021-04-07T02:34:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> THE CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME
2021-04-07T02:34:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> REEEEEEEEEEEE
2021-04-07T02:35:02 #kisslinux <riteo> what are you talking about
2021-04-07T02:35:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> YOU FRICKEN FRICKS
2021-04-07T02:35:20 #kisslinux <riteo> what
2021-04-07T02:35:21 #kisslinux <acheam> test
2021-04-07T02:35:23 #kisslinux <acheam> s/te/s
2021-04-07T02:35:27 #kisslinux <acheam> s/te/test/g
2021-04-07T02:35:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !modules
2021-04-07T02:35:42 #kisslinux <movzbl> [help] loaded: admin, backlog, common, config, duccs, help, meta, more, sed, url
2021-04-07T02:35:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !c c
2021-04-07T02:35:46 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-04-07T02:35:46 #kisslinux <movzbl> [config] settings: sed-pattern, gemini-titles, http-titles, ducchunt
2021-04-07T02:35:47 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T02:35:48 #kisslinux <riteo> oh cool
2021-04-07T02:35:54 #kisslinux <acheam> how to sed
2021-04-07T02:35:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !c c sed-pattern True
2021-04-07T02:35:54 #kisslinux <movzbl> [config] set 'sed-pattern' for '#kisslinux' to 'True'
2021-04-07T02:35:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> abcd
2021-04-07T02:35:57 #kisslinux <riteo> >ducchunt
2021-04-07T02:35:58 #kisslinux <acheam> test
2021-04-07T02:35:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/abcd/test/
2021-04-07T02:35:59 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> test
2021-04-07T02:36:03 #kisslinux <acheam> s/test/te/g
2021-04-07T02:36:03 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> te
2021-04-07T02:36:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh
2021-04-07T02:36:07 #kisslinux <riteo> cool!
2021-04-07T02:36:09 #kisslinux <acheam> s/oh/__import__("os").system("rm -rf ~")/g
2021-04-07T02:36:09 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> o__import__("os").system("rm -rf ~")
2021-04-07T02:36:13 #kisslinux <riteo> ok but what's duccunt
2021-04-07T02:36:19 #kisslinux <acheam> s/__import__("os").system("rm -rf ~")/go/g
2021-04-07T02:36:19 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> ooh
2021-04-07T02:36:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !c c ducchunt True
2021-04-07T02:36:21 #kisslinux <movzbl> [config] set 'ducchunt' for '#kisslinux' to 'True'
2021-04-07T02:36:23 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-07T02:36:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !cmds duccs
2021-04-07T02:36:25 #kisslinux <movzbl> [help] commands for duccs: mkducc, lsducc, befr, bang, friends, enemies, duckstats
2021-04-07T02:36:28 #kisslinux <riteo> what
2021-04-07T02:36:30 #kisslinux <acheam> oooh duck hunt!
2021-04-07T02:36:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mkducc
2021-04-07T02:36:33 #kisslinux <riteo> !mkducc
2021-04-07T02:36:34 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] permission denied (admin-only command).
2021-04-07T02:36:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !mkducc
2021-04-07T02:36:36 #kisslinux <movzbl> 。・゜゜・。。・ >ó_/ *flap*  [54]
2021-04-07T02:36:36 #kisslinux <acheam> you make the frens
2021-04-07T02:36:39 #kisslinux <acheam> ,fren
2021-04-07T02:36:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> i need an adult
2021-04-07T02:36:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !bef 54
2021-04-07T02:36:41 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] WHOOSH! the ducc vanishes into thin air!
2021-04-07T02:36:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> !bang
2021-04-07T02:36:43 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] WHOOSH! the ducc vanishes into thin air!
2021-04-07T02:36:45 #kisslinux <acheam> oh its bef
2021-04-07T02:36:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> theres lots of bad hacking going on
2021-04-07T02:36:48 #kisslinux <riteo> lmao what's this
2021-04-07T02:36:54 #kisslinux <acheam> ,bef
2021-04-07T02:36:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> duccs made with !mkducc can't be befriended
2021-04-07T02:36:56 #kisslinux <acheam> !bef
2021-04-07T02:36:56 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] WHOOSH! the ducc vanishes into thin air!
2021-04-07T02:37:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's for debugging purposes
2021-04-07T02:37:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !rl
2021-04-07T02:37:04 #kisslinux <movzbl> [admin] 10 modules reloaded in 0.006s
2021-04-07T02:37:04 #kisslinux <acheam> !mkducc
2021-04-07T02:37:05 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] permission denied (admin-only command).
2021-04-07T02:37:14 #kisslinux <acheam> !help
2021-04-07T02:37:14 #kisslinux <movzbl> [help] Use '!modules' to list modules, '!commands <module>' to list commands, and '!help <command>' to show help for a command.
2021-04-07T02:37:15 #kisslinux <riteo> isn't acheam an admin
2021-04-07T02:37:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'll give you perms later
2021-04-07T02:37:21 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: not for the bot
2021-04-07T02:37:23 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks kiedtl
2021-04-07T02:37:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm logging off now
2021-04-07T02:37:24 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-04-07T02:37:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cya
2021-04-07T02:37:27 #kisslinux <riteo> bye!
2021-04-07T02:37:28 #kisslinux <acheam> gnight kiedtl
2021-04-07T02:37:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also
2021-04-07T02:37:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !c c
2021-04-07T02:37:31 #kisslinux <movzbl> [config] settings: sed-pattern, gemini-titles, http-titles, ducchunt
2021-04-07T02:37:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !c c http-titles True
2021-04-07T02:37:35 #kisslinux <movzbl> [config] set 'http-titles' for '#kisslinux' to 'True'
2021-04-07T02:37:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://google.com
2021-04-07T02:37:39 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] Google
2021-04-07T02:37:40 #kisslinux <riteo> gemini-titles looks cool too
2021-04-07T02:37:43 #kisslinux <riteo> oh nice!
2021-04-07T02:37:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dunno if that's useful here
2021-04-07T02:37:49 #kisslinux <riteo> my TUI ass thanks you
2021-04-07T02:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm really annoyed my stupid python code didn't work lol
2021-04-07T02:37:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but if not I'll turn it off
2021-04-07T02:37:56 #kisslinux <acheam> __import__("os").system("rm -rf ~")
2021-04-07T02:38:02 #kisslinux <acheam> you're too smart for that
2021-04-07T02:38:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: lol I don't see why it should, if there was an RCE in python's re I don't think it would have hung around until now
2021-04-07T02:38:30 #kisslinux <riteo> could you also turn on the gemini titles?
2021-04-07T02:38:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/re/re module/
2021-04-07T02:38:31 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> acheam: lol I don't see why it should, if there module was an RCE in python's re module I don't think it would have hung around until now
2021-04-07T02:38:35 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-07T02:38:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !c c gemini-titles True
2021-04-07T02:38:40 #kisslinux <movzbl> [config] set 'gemini-titles' for '#kisslinux' to 'True'
2021-04-07T02:38:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I wonder if I could put malitious code in a site title
2021-04-07T02:38:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> anyways
2021-04-07T02:38:45 #kisslinux <riteo> thanks a lot
2021-04-07T02:38:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> bye for now
2021-04-07T02:38:47 #kisslinux <acheam> and execute it
2021-04-07T02:38:48 #kisslinux <riteo> bye!
2021-04-07T02:38:52 #kisslinux <acheam> bye
2021-04-07T02:38:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o/
2021-04-07T02:39:09 #kisslinux <riteo> acheam I don't know, how could that work?
2021-04-07T02:39:16 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh idk
2021-04-07T02:39:18 #kisslinux <riteo> I guess that's just passing data into variables and printing it
2021-04-07T02:39:25 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-07T02:39:33 #kisslinux <riteo> this isn't shell
2021-04-07T02:39:48 #kisslinux <riteo> hi phoebos!
2021-04-07T02:40:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> hello
2021-04-07T02:41:24 #kisslinux <acheam> hi phoebos
2021-04-07T02:41:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: i made a basic thingy for that gpg package: https://github.com/aabacchus/kiss-repo/tree/main/gpg-signatures
2021-04-07T02:41:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] kiss-repo/gpg-signatures at main · aabacchus/kiss-repo · GitHub
2021-04-07T02:42:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's kinda messy
2021-04-07T02:42:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> ooh is this the new kissbot
2021-04-07T02:42:30 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-07T02:42:38 #kisslinux <acheam> its the same one thats in the tildevers
2021-04-07T02:42:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> s/kissbot/kissbot!/
2021-04-07T02:42:45 #kisslinux <movzbl> <phoebos> ooh is this the new kissbot!
2021-04-07T02:42:48 #kisslinux <acheam> s/tildevers/tilde.chat
2021-04-07T02:42:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice!
2021-04-07T02:42:50 #kisslinux <riteo> yes
2021-04-07T02:44:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> the problems with that package are that it doesn't really need to be installed, just built, which feels messy
2021-04-07T02:45:08 #kisslinux <phoebos> and gpg is awful so there's a lot of messy output which i can't get rid of
2021-04-07T02:45:41 #kisslinux <phoebos> the alternative to the second is to echo into ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf, but that's less portable
2021-04-07T02:45:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> maybe better though
2021-04-07T02:45:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> there are comments in the build file
2021-04-07T02:46:09 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: what's the 5 y q??
2021-04-07T02:46:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> when you run gpg --edit-key it gives a prompt
2021-04-07T02:46:34 #kisslinux <acheam> ohh
2021-04-07T02:46:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's the horrible way of non-interactively answering the prompt
2021-04-07T02:46:48 #kisslinux <acheam> there's gotta be a more programmatic way of doing that
2021-04-07T02:46:50 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-07T02:47:08 #kisslinux <acheam> also if you want to put this in repo-main it needs to be 4 space indented
2021-04-07T02:47:47 #kisslinux <acheam> the build is failing for me without any stdout
2021-04-07T02:47:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> oop
2021-04-07T02:48:03 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe because i have gpg2
2021-04-07T02:48:17 #kisslinux <acheam> thats probably it actually
2021-04-07T02:48:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> could be i've got gpg1
2021-04-07T02:49:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> newer version remove the >/dev/null 2>&1, might give you an error message lol
2021-04-07T02:50:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> s/remove/removed/
2021-04-07T02:50:13 #kisslinux <movzbl> <phoebos> newer version removed the >/dev/null 2>&1, might give you an error message lol
2021-04-07T02:50:31 #kisslinux <acheam> ok
2021-04-07T02:52:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I wouldn't throw out the output if I were you
2021-04-07T02:52:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its good to have
2021-04-07T02:53:21 #kisslinux <acheam> idk enough about gpg to help you with this though
2021-04-07T02:53:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> you're right
2021-04-07T02:53:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> i'm trying gpg2 now
2021-04-07T02:53:31 #kisslinux <acheam> it seems that just "gpg --import "keyfile.txt"
2021-04-07T02:53:33 #kisslinux <acheam> works fine
2021-04-07T02:53:43 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't know about the modifying options though
2021-04-07T02:53:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> yeah that's fine but the difficult bit is trusting the keyu
2021-04-07T02:53:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> key
2021-04-07T02:54:49 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: https://armaanb.net/0001-gpg-signatures-add-Armaan-s-public-key.patch
2021-04-07T02:55:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: 404
2021-04-07T02:55:42 #kisslinux <acheam> try now
2021-04-07T02:55:45 #kisslinux <acheam> just fixed it
2021-04-07T02:55:53 #kisslinux <phoebos> got it
2021-04-07T02:55:58 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-04-07T02:56:02 #kisslinux <acheam> okay I have to go now
2021-04-07T02:56:04 #kisslinux <acheam> gnight
2021-04-07T02:57:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-04-07T02:57:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> oop i should go to sleep too
2021-04-07T02:58:08 #kisslinux <acheam> what time zone are you in?
2021-04-07T02:59:41 #kisslinux <phoebos> GMT+1 lol
2021-04-07T02:59:47 #kisslinux <riteo> oh lol same
2021-04-07T02:59:53 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's 4am
2021-04-07T02:59:56 #kisslinux <riteo> oh wait
2021-04-07T02:59:58 #kisslinux <acheam> dude
2021-04-07T03:00:07 #kisslinux <acheam> go to sleep
2021-04-07T03:00:07 #kisslinux <riteo> It's 5 AM here
2021-04-07T03:00:09 #kisslinux <acheam> now
2021-04-07T03:00:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-07T03:00:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> oop
2021-04-07T03:00:23 #kisslinux <riteo> I guess that go-ahead-by-one-hour thing applies here
2021-04-07T03:00:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> fuck daylight savings
2021-04-07T03:00:44 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah that
2021-04-07T03:00:50 #kisslinux <riteo> I thought they abolished them
2021-04-07T03:00:54 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: is this morning or night for you
2021-04-07T03:00:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah
2021-04-07T03:00:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> ・゜゜・。。・゜ -ó_// QUACK!  [seven * four]
2021-04-07T03:01:03 #kisslinux <acheam> !bef
2021-04-07T03:01:04 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] FLAP! acheam misses the ducc!
2021-04-07T03:01:07 #kisslinux <acheam> argh
2021-04-07T03:01:07 #kisslinux <riteo> I guess night?
2021-04-07T03:01:11 #kisslinux <riteo> I can't see outside
2021-04-07T03:01:13 #kisslinux <acheam> go. to. sleep/
2021-04-07T03:01:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> madlads
2021-04-07T03:01:35 #kisslinux <riteo> welp, I'm doing some homework
2021-04-07T03:01:37 #kisslinux <riteo> I can't
2021-04-07T03:01:55 #kisslinux <riteo> anyways, lately I've been messing up my time schedule, so this isn't nothing new
2021-04-07T03:02:05 #kisslinux <riteo> just know that for me you're night buddies ;P
2021-04-07T03:07:25 #kisslinux <riteo> oh lmao phoebos got kicked I didn't notice that
2021-04-07T03:07:33 #kisslinux <riteo> wait
2021-04-07T03:07:50 #kisslinux <riteo> you're not gonna do the same, aren't you?
2021-04-07T03:08:57 #kisslinux <riteo> oh that sounded so much like a thread
2021-04-07T03:09:03 #kisslinux <riteo> s/thread/threat/
2021-04-07T03:09:03 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> oh that sounded so much like a threat
2021-04-07T03:09:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I won't kick you because I don't want to abuse my powers
2021-04-07T03:09:29 #kisslinux <riteo> welp, I guess that's time to logout, just because I'm starting to feel weird. I'll go to bed soon, don't worry
2021-04-07T03:09:33 #kisslinux <acheam> i've kicked enough people today (2)
2021-04-07T03:09:39 #kisslinux <riteo> that'd be fun though ;)
2021-04-07T03:09:43 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-04-07T03:10:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I have been very graciously given these op powers, I don't want to abuse them
2021-04-07T03:10:13 #kisslinux <riteo> That's a good thing
2021-04-07T03:10:44 #kisslinux <riteo> welp, I think I'll do some more homework and go to sleep, cya later!
2021-04-07T03:11:16 #kisslinux <riteo> s/do/go to do/g
2021-04-07T03:11:16 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> welp, I think I'll go to do some more homework and go to sleep, cya later!
2021-04-07T03:11:22 #kisslinux <acheam> gnight
2021-04-07T03:11:26 #kisslinux <riteo> god that sounds weird, better log out
2021-04-07T03:11:29 #kisslinux <riteo> bye!
2021-04-07T03:14:16 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T03:37:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-07T03:45:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam
2021-04-07T03:45:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Change sources in the fortune file to be `git+`
2021-04-07T03:45:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So you won't need to update it every other day, only for the kiss fortune
2021-04-07T03:49:01 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't follow
2021-04-07T03:49:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> git+https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/bin
2021-04-07T03:49:28 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] ~armaan/bin - sourcehut git
2021-04-07T03:49:58 #kisslinux <acheam> that's not where the fortunes are stored though
2021-04-07T03:50:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just install the "fortune" file from this repo
2021-04-07T03:50:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The main script
2021-04-07T03:50:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Same with the repo where "cookie" comes from, kiss fortune file is in community repo so it'll be fine
2021-04-07T03:51:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Cuz currently it will just download the fortune script and cookie file once, and when you update it you'll just get a checksum mismatch since the sources are cached
2021-04-07T03:51:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You'll have to manually delete them
2021-04-07T03:53:12 #kisslinux <acheam> so you think I should just split the fortune file into a different package? I still don't think I'm fully getting what your saying
2021-04-07T03:53:43 #kisslinux <acheam> because if I were to add git+ to the urls, i'd have to clone the whole repo which isn't super desirable
2021-04-07T03:54:15 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry
2021-04-07T03:56:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah but your bin repo is quite small, the fortune-mod repo seems to be pretty big
2021-04-07T03:56:21 #kisslinux <acheam> so just leave out the fortune-mode cookie file?
2021-04-07T03:56:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What is that cookie file for
2021-04-07T03:56:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The other fortunes?
2021-04-07T03:56:49 #kisslinux <acheam> its just the standard fortunes
2021-04-07T03:56:50 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-07T03:57:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Isnt there another source for them
2021-04-07T03:57:01 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty important for the "fortune" command ngl
2021-04-07T03:57:09 #kisslinux <acheam> that's the standard one
2021-04-07T03:57:21 #kisslinux <acheam> fortune-mod is the usual fortune implementation
2021-04-07T03:57:32 #kisslinux <acheam> but I know cat-v has a lot of cookie files as well
2021-04-07T03:57:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hmm
2021-04-07T03:58:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I say this cuz you won't be able to update without manual intervention. since sources are cached by kiss, once you download the raw.github file, even if checksums are bumped, kiss will try to use the cached file since the url in sources hasn't changed
2021-04-07T03:58:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So youll have to rm -rf cache/kiss/sources/fortune
2021-04-07T03:58:43 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that makes sense
2021-04-07T03:58:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I could use the fortune-mod tarball
2021-04-07T03:59:00 #kisslinux <acheam> but its 1.35mb
2021-04-07T03:59:12 #kisslinux <acheam> is that too big?
2021-04-07T04:02:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Better than the git repo
2021-04-07T04:03:00 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-07T04:04:11 #kisslinux <acheam> see https://armaanb.net/0001-fortune-restructure-package.patch
2021-04-07T04:07:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It should be bin/fortune in install command
2021-04-07T04:07:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Or does kiss clone into pwd in case of a single repo
2021-04-07T04:07:46 #kisslinux <acheam> pwd
2021-04-07T04:08:15 #kisslinux <acheam> is that good then?
2021-04-07T04:08:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yea
2021-04-07T04:08:45 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: I hereby request you to apply this third patch to community
2021-04-07T04:09:00 #kisslinux <acheam> (sorry about all these patches)
2021-04-07T04:11:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So have we decided on using IRC to send patches
2021-04-07T04:11:55 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn is setting up a mailing list
2021-04-07T04:11:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> wait legit
2021-04-07T04:12:03 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-07T04:12:07 #kisslinux <acheam> grep the logs
2021-04-07T04:12:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> here we go boys
2021-04-07T04:12:29 #kisslinux <acheam> (there were a lot of messages today)
2021-04-07T04:25:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam
2021-04-07T04:25:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Song of the day link is broken
2021-04-07T04:25:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Missing /
2021-04-07T04:25:42 #kisslinux <acheam> damn i'm really not doing anything right today
2021-04-07T07:17:53 #kisslinux <merakor2> Mailing lists?
2021-04-07T07:18:03 #kisslinux <merakor2> Finally some good fucking food
2021-04-07T07:19:56 #kisslinux <merakor> I was only using Github for package manager PRs
2021-04-07T09:30:46 #kisslinux <konimex> let's just hope dilyn doesn't set the mailing list on sr.ht
2021-04-07T09:31:04 #kisslinux <konimex> navigating the archive there is a royal pain
2021-04-07T09:32:00 #kisslinux <merakor> I always found it much easier than most mail archives
2021-04-07T09:32:07 #kisslinux <merakor> What's wrong with it?
2021-04-07T09:33:41 #kisslinux <travankor> what are the alternatives to sr.ht?
2021-04-07T09:34:06 #kisslinux <travankor> kind of assumed that sr.ht was the goto option these days
2021-04-07T09:34:50 #kisslinux <konimex> last time I browsed there, iirc the order for messages in a thread is from the newest message instead of the first message in a thread, don't know if it's still the case nowadays
2021-04-07T09:51:47 #kisslinux <konimex> also, if one's on mobile, it's inconvenient to scroll left and right because of the 72-char limit (but maybe I just have gotten used to the ugly whitespace if the line breaks on mobile)
2021-04-07T10:01:12 #kisslinux <merakor> That's not the case at least right now, it's properly ordered
2021-04-07T10:01:37 #kisslinux <merakor> But I don't know about mobile, I don't read mails a lot from it
2021-04-07T10:02:39 #kisslinux <merakor> Most mail apps break lines on plain-text mails, so it is ugly but you don't have to scroll a lot
2021-04-07T10:04:39 #kisslinux <merakor> travankor: Well, the alternative is hosting it yourself instead of relying on a service
2021-04-07T10:05:16 #kisslinux <merakor> But it's a pain in the ass
2021-04-07T10:16:45 #kisslinux <travankor> you mean self-hosted sourcehut?
2021-04-07T10:17:09 #kisslinux <travankor> I guess it must be, since I haven't seen any other sourcehut instances around
2021-04-07T10:17:29 #kisslinux <konimex> probably meant stuff like gnu mailman
2021-04-07T10:18:36 #kisslinux <travankor> but dilyn doesn't like gnu :P
2021-04-07T10:32:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah I meant mailman :D
2021-04-07T10:33:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Well it sucks for dilyn because almost all mailing-list systems are GPL
2021-04-07T10:34:48 #kisslinux <merakor> I guess only majordomo isn't GPL
2021-04-07T11:10:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !bef 28
2021-04-07T11:10:27 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] QUACK! kiedtl befriended the ducc in 29,370.03 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:10:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :P
2021-04-07T11:11:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> !bef 1
2021-04-07T11:11:26 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] testuser_[m] missed the duck by 58.23 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:11:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What's this
2021-04-07T11:12:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> duck hunt obvs
2021-04-07T11:12:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> duck hunt
2021-04-07T11:12:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !friends
2021-04-07T11:12:21 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] ducc friends in #kisslinux: k‌iedtl (×1)
2021-04-07T11:12:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> welp
2021-04-07T11:12:26 #kisslinux <movzbl> ・。。・゜゜・。 >ð_/ FLAP FLAP!
2021-04-07T11:12:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> !bef
2021-04-07T11:12:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> do !bef
2021-04-07T11:12:30 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] QUACK! necromansy befriended the ducc in 4.76 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:12:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !duckstats #kisslinux
2021-04-07T11:12:37 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] segmentation fault (more)
2021-04-07T11:12:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol ok
2021-04-07T11:12:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !more
2021-04-07T11:12:42 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] ZeroDivisionError('division by zero')
2021-04-07T11:12:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> oooooooof
2021-04-07T11:12:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-07T11:12:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> haha
2021-04-07T11:13:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> !bef string
2021-04-07T11:13:09 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] testuser_[m] missed the duck by 38.71 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:13:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> !friends
2021-04-07T11:13:15 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] ducc friends in #kisslinux: k‌iedtl (×1), n‌ecromansy (×1)
2021-04-07T11:13:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> well thats not borked at least
2021-04-07T11:13:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> !bef
2021-04-07T11:13:44 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] testuser_[m] missed the duck by 73.39 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:13:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Bruh
2021-04-07T11:16:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> https://github.com/victante/trish
2021-04-07T11:16:06 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] GitHub - victante/trish: A fish shell plugin to manage the Trash folder 🐟
2021-04-07T11:16:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> why tho
2021-04-07T11:18:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/ajsjdnkdkdkk/skkddjj
2021-04-07T11:21:40 #kisslinux <merakor> !bef
2021-04-07T11:21:41 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] merakor missed the duck by 550.46 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:21:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> :>
2021-04-07T11:22:13 #kisslinux <merakor> What is this lmao
2021-04-07T11:22:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> its duck hunt
2021-04-07T11:22:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Does it reset or the counter just goes forward?
2021-04-07T11:22:52 #kisslinux <merakor> !bef
2021-04-07T11:22:52 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] merakor missed the duck by 621.59 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:23:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> counter goes forward re: last duck
2021-04-07T11:24:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh I see
2021-04-07T11:25:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> !bef
2021-04-07T11:25:20 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] testuser_[m] missed the duck by 769.48 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:30:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ・゜゜・。。・゜゜_o< QUACK!
2021-04-07T11:30:43 #kisslinux <merakor> !bef
2021-04-07T11:30:43 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] merakor missed the duck by 1,093.18 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:30:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-07T11:30:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> !bef
2021-04-07T11:30:58 #kisslinux <merakor> I was fooled
2021-04-07T11:30:58 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] necromansy missed the duck by 1,107.76 seconds!
2021-04-07T11:31:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> ohmotherf-
2021-04-07T11:31:34 #kisslinux <merakor> kiedtl: can you please kick kiedtl
2021-04-07T11:31:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> hes mean :c
2021-04-07T11:32:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> happy?
2021-04-07T11:32:04 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao
2021-04-07T11:32:06 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-04-07T11:32:22 #kisslinux <konimex> ...uh, won't the duck hunt thing lead to spam on this channel?
2021-04-07T11:32:37 #kisslinux <konimex> sorry to be party pooper though
2021-04-07T11:32:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Why would it? (If it does, it'll be removed)
2021-04-07T11:32:48 #kisslinux <merakor> That's kind of true
2021-04-07T11:32:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/it'll/I'll/
2021-04-07T11:32:50 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> Why would it? (If it does, I'll be removed)
2021-04-07T11:32:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uh
2021-04-07T11:32:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, I'll remove it
2021-04-07T11:33:12 #kisslinux <konimex> I'm just afraid people would focus more on the duck hunt more than actual discussion
2021-04-07T11:33:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hm
2021-04-07T11:33:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Now that you mentioned it, I think that's true.
2021-04-07T11:33:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ducchunt might be more suited to general-purpose discussion.
2021-04-07T11:33:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> while its a novelty thats definitely true
2021-04-07T11:33:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> might not be worth seeing if it eases after that tbh
2021-04-07T11:33:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> !friend
2021-04-07T11:34:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !friends
2021-04-07T11:34:02 #kisslinux <movzbl> [duccs] ducc friends in #kisslinux: k‌iedtl (×1), n‌ecromansy (×1)
2021-04-07T11:34:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> sad to see my duccfren go
2021-04-07T11:34:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !c c ducchunt False
2021-04-07T11:34:10 #kisslinux <movzbl> [config] set 'ducchunt' for '#kisslinux' to 'False'
2021-04-07T12:52:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: btw, did you decide on whether my wiki patches were necessary?
2021-04-07T13:07:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're sitting in my email! :o
2021-04-07T13:07:50 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi
2021-04-07T13:07:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> hi mmatongo:
2021-04-07T13:07:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ehlo there
2021-04-07T13:08:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> if they make it in they'll make it in later today :)
2021-04-07T13:08:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> hi lads
2021-04-07T13:08:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, ok
2021-04-07T13:08:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> re: gpg key package, isn't the cleaner way to just import directly from a keyserver...
2021-04-07T13:08:26 #kisslinux <acheam> hi necromansy
2021-04-07T13:08:30 #kisslinux <mmatongo> what did I miss
2021-04-07T13:08:35 #kisslinux <acheam> check the logs
2021-04-07T13:08:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> the much cleaner way would just be to have whoever wants to add whatever keys they want, and people can post their public keys in an open issue
2021-04-07T13:08:41 #kisslinux <acheam> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux
2021-04-07T13:08:45 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] #kisslinux
2021-04-07T13:08:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I think a slightly more automated way of doing it would be nice
2021-04-07T13:09:01 #kisslinux <mmatongo> nice
2021-04-07T13:09:06 #kisslinux <acheam> so you don't have to track down the persons key every time someone new commits
2021-04-07T13:09:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> but then the robots will take my job
2021-04-07T13:09:12 #kisslinux <acheam> good
2021-04-07T13:09:16 #kisslinux <acheam> -1 bus factor
2021-04-07T13:09:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn is obsolete
2021-04-07T13:10:06 #kisslinux <acheam> also did you see my (third unfortunately) community patch
2021-04-07T13:10:10 #kisslinux <acheam> it should fix all the issues
2021-04-07T13:12:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> that one is sitting in my downloads folder (:
2021-04-07T13:12:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm taking a break in a second and i'll be applying some patcheroonis
2021-04-07T13:12:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You know, I think we should just submit GH prs >=P
2021-04-07T13:12:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-07T13:13:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> i would get to them at the same frequency!
2021-04-07T13:13:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> note the 2 open PRs right now that came in last night
2021-04-07T13:13:26 #kisslinux <aarng> kiedtl, is it possible to disable color codes with your bot?
2021-04-07T13:13:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> My point is that we won't have to keep bugging you in here, dilyn
2021-04-07T13:13:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aarng: Um, there is, but why?
2021-04-07T13:13:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> you don't have to!
2021-04-07T13:13:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-07T13:14:06 #kisslinux <aarng> some clients don't support them
2021-04-07T13:14:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> e.g. yours?
2021-04-07T13:14:26 #kisslinux <aarng> mine yeah, but other simple ones too, like birch
2021-04-07T13:14:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ok :V I enjoy irc formatting
2021-04-07T13:14:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !ping
2021-04-07T13:14:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> [meta] kiedtl: pong!
2021-04-07T13:15:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> No more irc formatting
2021-04-07T13:15:28 #kisslinux <aarng> much better :p
2021-04-07T13:15:32 #kisslinux <mmatongo> anyone had to deal with dbus-broker
2021-04-07T13:15:38 #kisslinux <aarng> but if people enjoy colors, I'm fine with it too
2021-04-07T13:16:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> The best thing to do is to simply patch birch/aarng-client to strip them out
2021-04-07T13:16:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It should be a simple regex
2021-04-07T13:16:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> though for birch it'll mean that everyone would have to do it themself
2021-04-07T13:16:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> since dylan isn't around
2021-04-07T13:16:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam why did you linebreak this last install line :'(
2021-04-07T13:17:23 #kisslinux <acheam> oh uh i thought it was longer
2021-04-07T13:17:28 #kisslinux <acheam> let me resend patch
2021-04-07T13:17:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-07T13:17:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn there's also noocsharp's patch
2021-04-07T13:17:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> just pushed it
2021-04-07T13:18:08 #kisslinux <acheam> https://armaanb.net/0001-fortune-restructure-package.patch
2021-04-07T13:18:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-04-07T13:19:40 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I'm lost
2021-04-07T13:19:49 #kisslinux <acheam> how so
2021-04-07T13:20:10 #kisslinux <mmatongo> whats happening to birch
2021-04-07T13:20:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> screenshot?
2021-04-07T13:20:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what do you need dbus-broker for mmatongo
2021-04-07T13:22:24 #kisslinux <acheam> mmatongo: no offense dylan, but get off of birch
2021-04-07T13:22:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> birch isn't that bad
2021-04-07T13:22:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> birch is bae
2021-04-07T13:22:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but like, we'd be able to help you better, mmatongo, if we had that screenshot
2021-04-07T13:22:49 #kisslinux <merakor> birch is bash
2021-04-07T13:22:55 #kisslinux <merakor> and bash is not bae
2021-04-07T13:22:57 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I've actually been using catgirl
2021-04-07T13:22:59 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-07T13:23:14 #kisslinux <acheam> catgirl is nice
2021-04-07T13:23:18 #kisslinux <acheam> am using it right now
2021-04-07T13:23:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> is catgirl worth using outside of the name?
2021-04-07T13:23:25 #kisslinux <mmatongo> testuser_[m]: I want dbus but not really dbus
2021-04-07T13:23:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> v nice, except for lack of input history :V
2021-04-07T13:23:38 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: I switched to it from weechat, it works nice
2021-04-07T13:23:39 #kisslinux <mmatongo> necromansy: uwu
2021-04-07T13:23:41 #kisslinux <acheam> no vi-mode though
2021-04-07T13:23:46 #kisslinux <merakor> mmatongo: there is nobus
2021-04-07T13:23:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> i mean im using mcpcpc's kirc atm
2021-04-07T13:23:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> necromansy: catgirl deliberately doesn't implement certain features because their author doesn't think they're necessary, but if you don't need it, it's very nice
2021-04-07T13:24:08 #kisslinux <acheam> ah, switching from kirc probably wouldn't give you all that much
2021-04-07T13:24:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> also dylan's libdbus-stub
2021-04-07T13:24:24 #kisslinux <acheam> catgirl is nice because its oriented about easily finding channels with unread messages
2021-04-07T13:24:25 #kisslinux <merakor> mmatongo: https://github.com/dylanaraps/libdbus-stub
2021-04-07T13:24:26 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] GitHub - dylanaraps/libdbus-stub: stub libdbus to appease
2021-04-07T13:24:33 #kisslinux <acheam> and it sort of hides channels with no unreads
2021-04-07T13:24:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-04-07T13:24:41 #kisslinux <acheam> which makes being on a lot of channels much easier
2021-04-07T13:24:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> one of the best features of catgirl imo is that
2021-04-07T13:24:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> ah yeah i just sit here
2021-04-07T13:25:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> catgirl has some interesting features otherwise as well
2021-04-07T13:25:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://git.causal.agency/catgirl
2021-04-07T13:25:12 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] catgirl - IRC client
2021-04-07T13:25:13 #kisslinux <movzbl>
2021-04-07T13:25:15 #kisslinux <acheam> it has smart tab complete too
2021-04-07T13:25:27 #kisslinux <acheam> so if you tab complete two nicks it puts comma between them
2021-04-07T13:26:00 #kisslinux <acheam> also really simple configuration
2021-04-07T13:26:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also, the prompt changes depending on what you're typing
2021-04-07T13:26:13 #kisslinux <acheam> oh?
2021-04-07T13:26:16 #kisslinux <mmatongo> merakor: nodbus?
2021-04-07T13:26:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam can I modify this patch to align the install lines? lol
2021-04-07T13:26:20 #kisslinux <aarng> tab completion is the only feature I miss from my client
2021-04-07T13:26:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> these do sound like some nice features tbh
2021-04-07T13:26:30 #kisslinux <aarng> but not easy to do with a file-based client
2021-04-07T13:26:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> For a command the prompt is empty; for a message, the prompt is "<user>"; for a action, the prompt is "* user"
2021-04-07T13:26:33 #kisslinux <merakor> mmatongo: https://github.com/clbr/nobus
2021-04-07T13:26:34 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] GitHub - clbr/nobus
2021-04-07T13:26:36 #kisslinux <acheam> oh you mean for commands vs messages, kiedtl?
2021-04-07T13:26:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> i might poke around it and see if i like it more than kirc
2021-04-07T13:26:45 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: yes, sorry I forgot that was in the style guide
2021-04-07T13:26:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> commands vs messages vs actions vs notices, yeah, acheam
2021-04-07T13:26:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's fine, easy fix lol
2021-04-07T13:27:03 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nvm missed your earlier message
2021-04-07T13:27:07 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl:
2021-04-07T13:27:43 #kisslinux <acheam> Maybe a mailing list to irc bridge would be cool
2021-04-07T13:27:53 #kisslinux <acheam> and likewise a PR to mailing list bridge
2021-04-07T13:27:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> :|
2021-04-07T13:27:58 #kisslinux <acheam> s/mailing list/irc
2021-04-07T13:28:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-07T13:28:16 #kisslinux <acheam> it could be a different channel
2021-04-07T13:28:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> mandatory mailing list subscriptions
2021-04-07T13:28:27 #kisslinux <acheam> like #kisslinux-dev
2021-04-07T13:29:15 #kisslinux <acheam> tbf we should probably encourage subscritpion to an announce mailing list
2021-04-07T13:31:09 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome back
2021-04-07T13:31:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> this is comfy
2021-04-07T13:31:16 #kisslinux <acheam> on catgirl?
2021-04-07T13:31:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-07T13:31:33 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-07T13:31:47 #kisslinux <acheam> the one thing that annoys me about catgirl is the colors
2021-04-07T13:31:56 #kisslinux <acheam> it doens't use your terminal colors
2021-04-07T13:32:02 #kisslinux <acheam> which makes some nicks impossible to read
2021-04-07T13:32:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i do see that, its very NEON
2021-04-07T13:32:09 #kisslinux <acheam> but I think that there is a config option for that
2021-04-07T13:32:24 #kisslinux <acheam> its NEON until you have to read dark blue on black
2021-04-07T13:33:03 #kisslinux <mmatongo> why does kirc bundle everything together
2021-04-07T13:33:19 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc-hkp: ^
2021-04-07T13:33:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: necromansy: That can be changed, see the `-H` (or the `highlight` config) option in the manpage.
2021-04-07T13:33:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> oooo aight
2021-04-07T13:33:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >To use only colors from the 16-color terminal
2021-04-07T13:33:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >set, use 0,15.
2021-04-07T13:33:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh cool
2021-04-07T13:33:56 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks
2021-04-07T13:34:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> gonna give that a run
2021-04-07T13:34:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I should have expected it to be in the manpage given its written by an openbsder
2021-04-07T13:34:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> freebsder
2021-04-07T13:34:51 #kisslinux <acheam> oh whoops
2021-04-07T13:34:55 #kisslinux <acheam> .*bsder
2021-04-07T13:35:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> at least, that's what they told me a few months ago
2021-04-07T13:35:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or what I thought they told me /shrug
2021-04-07T13:35:44 #kisslinux <acheam> try 16 colors now
2021-04-07T13:35:57 #kisslinux <acheam> lol I can't return to #sr.ht
2021-04-07T13:36:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> why not?
2021-04-07T13:36:08 #kisslinux <acheam> thats the third time i've accidentally sent a message there that I meant to send herer
2021-04-07T13:36:17 #kisslinux <acheam> idk why but catgirl keeps confusing me on what channel im in
2021-04-07T13:36:34 #kisslinux <vulpine> kiedtl: june switched to openbsd recently, since freebsd did not support her hardware
2021-04-07T13:36:40 #kisslinux <acheam> its not a ban, its just embarrasing
2021-04-07T13:36:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh. I see, vulpine
2021-04-07T13:36:47 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-07T13:36:50 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense
2021-04-07T13:36:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> well this is much nicer
2021-04-07T13:36:55 #kisslinux <acheam> openbsd is better anyways
2021-04-07T13:37:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> a self-ban
2021-04-07T13:37:33 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-07T13:37:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> did you reveal our secrets to them?
2021-04-07T13:37:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> do they know?
2021-04-07T13:37:49 #kisslinux * testuser_[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KKVkoUipQkFLjnQDXAIZslXK/message.txt >
2021-04-07T13:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I just leave for like a day, and then come back hoping that they forgot
2021-04-07T13:38:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> if IRC has taught me anything, it's that most people will not forget
2021-04-07T13:38:13 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T13:38:20 #kisslinux <acheam> our secrets stay here don't worry
2021-04-07T13:38:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> testuser_[m]: what, that looks like a giant blank message to me
2021-04-07T13:39:31 #kisslinux <mmatongo> who is testuser_[m]
2021-04-07T13:39:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Maybe there's a book on their keyboard?
2021-04-07T13:39:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no i was just bored
2021-04-07T13:40:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> good lord
2021-04-07T13:42:43 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T13:42:48 #kisslinux <acheam> mmatongo: they are git-bruh
2021-04-07T13:43:07 #kisslinux <vulpine> hmm, why are there so many matrix appservice clients here? isint that the opposite of KISS?
2021-04-07T13:43:13 #kisslinux <acheam> yesa
2021-04-07T13:43:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah but sshh
2021-04-07T13:43:25 #kisslinux <acheam> try telling that to the matrix lovers though
2021-04-07T13:43:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> matrix so fly tho
2021-04-07T13:43:33 #kisslinux <acheam> stop
2021-04-07T13:43:42 #kisslinux <acheam> wait is dilynm matrix?
2021-04-07T13:43:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> some say theres even users here who dont run kiss on their dailies
2021-04-07T13:43:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wdym opposite of kiss
2021-04-07T13:44:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> dilynm is mobile
2021-04-07T13:45:49 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: shhhh
2021-04-07T13:46:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> testuser_[m]: the Matrix protocol is insanely complicated :V
2021-04-07T13:47:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Not to mention that the Matrix<->irc bridge is garbage.
2021-04-07T13:47:21 #kisslinux <konimex> <vulpine "hmm, why are there so many matri"> depends on the definition of "KISS" to be fair
2021-04-07T13:47:27 #kisslinux <konimex> s/KISS/simple
2021-04-07T13:47:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> movzbl requires a trailing / :V
2021-04-07T13:47:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> konimex: s/KISS/simple/
2021-04-07T13:47:54 #kisslinux <movzbl> <konimex> s/simple/simple
2021-04-07T13:47:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fuck
2021-04-07T13:48:08 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao
2021-04-07T13:48:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk man the bridge works just fine
2021-04-07T13:48:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> gg
2021-04-07T13:48:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean
2021-04-07T13:48:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Sure it does, for you
2021-04-07T13:48:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> konimex: s/KISS/simp/
2021-04-07T13:48:35 #kisslinux <movzbl> <konimex> s/simp/simple
2021-04-07T13:48:51 #kisslinux <vulpine> its horrible on the irc side, even if it did not crash like every 2 days lol
2021-04-07T13:49:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i know about the url thing, what else is annoying ?
2021-04-07T13:49:19 #kisslinux <merakor> yeah Matrix is just overdone
2021-04-07T13:49:25 #kisslinux <merakor> It was a good idea at start
2021-04-07T13:50:16 #kisslinux <vulpine> merakor: was it ever? at best it would be a bad XMPP clone
2021-04-07T13:50:22 #kisslinux <konimex> someone complained about multiple messages, but looking at logs I don't think I've ever sent a message twice (except intentionally)
2021-04-07T13:50:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> i know some people have but i dont recall names
2021-04-07T13:50:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> XMPP has its own set of issues
2021-04-07T13:50:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> its been minor occurrances tho
2021-04-07T13:50:57 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-04-07T13:51:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re Matrix bridge annoyances, it doesn't happen here very often, sure, but it happens a lot in other places and its pretty annoying
2021-04-07T13:51:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok having /me functionality has sold me on catgirl uwu
2021-04-07T13:51:32 #kisslinux <konimex> well, if anyone has alternatives that wouldn't require me to self-host my own bouncer, I'd like to hear the solution ofc
2021-04-07T13:52:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> is irccloud and friends an option?
2021-04-07T13:52:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what other active protocol do you suggest that has basic features (bloat) like message deletion and editing
2021-04-07T13:52:34 #kisslinux <konimex> is it usable on mobile?
2021-04-07T13:52:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> we could switch to a text group chat
2021-04-07T13:52:46 #kisslinux <mmatongo> necromansy: birch is bae uwu
2021-04-07T13:52:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I believe it is, at least from looking how others use it konimex
2021-04-07T13:52:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> but bash :c
2021-04-07T13:53:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> rewrite birch in sh
2021-04-07T13:53:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that isn't possible
2021-04-07T13:53:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> without netcat :V
2021-04-07T13:53:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @vulpine i use matrix as a google hangouts replacement, it works pretty well for me in that function
2021-04-07T13:53:29 #kisslinux <mmatongo> good lord that sounds like a chore
2021-04-07T13:53:33 #kisslinux <acheam> nc is a reasonable dep
2021-04-07T13:53:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well, for the friends i have been able to convince to switch at least
2021-04-07T13:53:46 #kisslinux <mmatongo> i agree with acheam
2021-04-07T13:53:54 #kisslinux <travankor> vulpine: one of the original people at matrix Jarkko Oikarinen, also created irc
2021-04-07T13:54:05 #kisslinux <travankor> idk how matrix got fucked
2021-04-07T13:54:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its pretty convinient to have one client for everything, i have a few bridged channels with discord consumer friends too
2021-04-07T13:54:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Though really, other than its crazy feature creep Matrix is much better than IRC
2021-04-07T13:54:35 #kisslinux <merakor> It's become too corporate
2021-04-07T13:54:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah i see the feature creep
2021-04-07T13:54:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> meh
2021-04-07T13:54:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> compared to Signal
2021-04-07T13:54:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-07T13:55:00 #kisslinux <konimex> what do you meant by "too corporate"?
2021-04-07T13:55:09 #kisslinux <merakor> I never liked Signal anyway
2021-04-07T13:55:11 #kisslinux <vulpine> kiedtl: well everything looks great if you compair it to signal lmao
2021-04-07T13:55:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> To attached to a corporate entity, I assume, merakor
2021-04-07T13:55:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/To/Too
2021-04-07T13:55:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> signal is adding crypto shit now
2021-04-07T13:55:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> vulpine: That's true lol
2021-04-07T13:55:50 #kisslinux <travankor> yeah signals owned by facebook lol
2021-04-07T13:55:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wat
2021-04-07T13:56:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what?
2021-04-07T13:56:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no
2021-04-07T13:56:07 #kisslinux <konimex> since when is signal owned by facebook?
2021-04-07T13:56:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> whatsapp is owned by FB
2021-04-07T13:56:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> signal is a nonprofit
2021-04-07T13:56:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> supposedly, anyway
2021-04-07T13:56:33 #kisslinux <merakor> konimex: Matrix development is too integrated with Element that other clients simply cannot follow
2021-04-07T13:56:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah thats very true
2021-04-07T13:56:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> how is that "too corporate"?
2021-04-07T13:56:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> >501c3 nonprofit
2021-04-07T13:56:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, I agree that's a problem
2021-04-07T13:56:58 #kisslinux <konimex> and how exactly is that too corporate
2021-04-07T13:57:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Its controlled by Vector
2021-04-07T13:57:07 #kisslinux <merakor> Basically
2021-04-07T13:57:15 #kisslinux <konimex> I see your point
2021-04-07T13:57:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "Linux is shit, world is a fuck" -- Dylan
2021-04-07T13:57:55 #kisslinux <merakor> Wise words
2021-04-07T13:58:13 #kisslinux <mmatongo> butt
2021-04-07T13:58:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm leaning more and more to dylan just peacing out on technology
2021-04-07T13:58:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I hope you won't just disappear someday either :V
2021-04-07T13:58:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they're now introducing complicated "spaces" to keep multiple rooms inside a "space" and element is the only client so far that's adding support for them
2021-04-07T13:58:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> seems odd that he wouldnt at least say that to someone
2021-04-07T13:58:47 #kisslinux <konimex> but, let's just say, I don't really proactively think about chat services, matrix's good for my workflow so I'm going to just use it, unless someone here wants to ban all matrix clients
2021-04-07T13:58:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> tbh
2021-04-07T13:59:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> banning matrix would be dumb
2021-04-07T13:59:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean when I abandoned tech for a few years I said nothing to noone about it
2021-04-07T13:59:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-04-07T13:59:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only person who knew was the person who bought my last PC lol
2021-04-07T13:59:26 #kisslinux <merakor> Don't get me wrong, I use matrix as well, I just don't like the way development is going
2021-04-07T13:59:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah but you werent the BDFL and creator of a minor linux distro
2021-04-07T13:59:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Same, I might end up using Matrix as well
2021-04-07T13:59:47 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-04-07T13:59:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-07T13:59:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://matrix.org/clients/ seems like there's plenty of alternatives to Element
2021-04-07T13:59:49 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] Clients | Matrix.org
2021-04-07T14:00:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> no, but I was popular and cool
2021-04-07T14:00:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ominous_anonymou: there's alternatives but as i said above the other clients cant keep up with the new features
2021-04-07T14:00:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ominous_anonymou: the point is that they can't keep up with the features their adding
2021-04-07T14:00:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/their/they're/
2021-04-07T14:00:16 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> ominous_anonymou: the point is that they can't keep up with the features they're adding
2021-04-07T14:00:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if the features are stupid, does it matter?  for example, are those new "spaces" mandatory?
2021-04-07T14:00:49 #kisslinux <konimex> what new spaces?
2021-04-07T14:00:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well a lot of communities will probably shift to them, to sort out various topics into a single "space"
2021-04-07T14:01:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so clients will be forced to support them
2021-04-07T14:01:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if the communities shift to them, wouldn't that indicate they're useful?
2021-04-07T14:01:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> so they're like channels in servers practically?
2021-04-07T14:01:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> like you have a kisslinux space and inside that you got "#off-topic" and "#dev"
2021-04-07T14:01:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> like discord guilds
2021-04-07T14:01:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-04-07T14:01:36 #kisslinux <konimex> like room categories?
2021-04-07T14:01:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> movement to a feature isn't always just because things are useful
2021-04-07T14:01:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> also coz they're new
2021-04-07T14:02:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I could see how that'd be useful though
2021-04-07T14:02:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> in this case it sounds like it would be because they're useful
2021-04-07T14:02:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> otherwise no one would bother dealing with them
2021-04-07T14:02:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> since you could just use different channels already
2021-04-07T14:02:41 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, one thing I wanted of Matrix was a feature like that
2021-04-07T14:02:49 #kisslinux <travankor> what about xmpp?
2021-04-07T14:03:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> true, ill give you that
2021-04-07T14:03:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !rl
2021-04-07T14:03:30 #kisslinux <movzbl> [admin] 10 modules reloaded in 0.042s
2021-04-07T14:03:39 #kisslinux <travankor> (also apparently signal's is a non-profit but has as an interesting relationship with facebook https://www.wired.com/story/signal-foundation-whatsapp-brian-acton/)
2021-04-07T14:04:13 #kisslinux <konimex> is the co-founder of whatsapp still related to facebook? I would've think it's more like Oculus
2021-04-07T14:07:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i feel the "problem" is that they're making it too complex by allowing spaces inside spaces
2021-04-07T14:07:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> which will probably make it harder to implement in clients
2021-04-07T14:09:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that's fair.  that's why i was wondering whether they were going to be a mandatory thing to implement or an optional feature
2021-04-07T14:10:41 #kisslinux <travankor> matrix protocol is wack
2021-04-07T14:11:19 #kisslinux <travankor> it has no scope control and largely designed for New Vector+ Element's needs
2021-04-07T14:11:47 #kisslinux <travankor> also synapse is slooooooooooooow
2021-04-07T14:12:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you have other hs like dendrite in go and conduit in roost, but they're both in beta but dendrite is quite usable
2021-04-07T14:12:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> conduit isnt by new vector
2021-04-07T14:12:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i feel like a lot of projects/protocols start out really nice, become the Shiny New Thing, attract a bunch of people that try to shoehorn in bullshit from older bloated/failed projects, and end up crippling everything
2021-04-07T14:14:16 #kisslinux <travankor> testuser_[m]: dendrite is still beta and conduit isn't even useable
2021-04-07T14:14:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> another thing i hate is that the "rich" stuff like replies and colors in messages needs to be put in HTML
2021-04-07T14:14:42 #kisslinux <travankor> also matrix has this weird bug with RTL characters
2021-04-07T14:15:02 #kisslinux <travankor> i've seen people trolling using that bug where their names and messages are all backwards
2021-04-07T14:15:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wouldn't that be a client specific bug ?
2021-04-07T14:16:25 #kisslinux <travankor> maybe but element is what everyone uses ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-04-07T14:16:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or does the server reverse the message
2021-04-07T14:18:51 #kisslinux <travankor> https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/21172059/20450961/859d2e9a-adec-11e6-8485-051349709f12.png
2021-04-07T14:26:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol #sr.ht bans matrix
2021-04-07T14:27:03 #kisslinux <acheam> some people make it through the cracks though
2021-04-07T14:27:06 #kisslinux <acheam> if they self host
2021-04-07T14:42:54 #kisslinux <travankor> why would you go through the trouble of self-hosting all that bloat when you could just, you know, setup an irc account
2021-04-07T14:43:19 #kisslinux <mmatongo> :D
2021-04-07T14:43:35 #kisslinux <acheam> some people like self hosting, travankor
2021-04-07T14:43:38 #kisslinux <acheam> its fun
2021-04-07T14:43:59 #kisslinux <acheam> but yeah in this case its excessive
2021-04-07T14:44:01 #kisslinux <travankor> acheam: cyou can self-host an irc bouncer
2021-04-07T14:44:13 #kisslinux <travankor> s/cyou/you/
2021-04-07T14:44:13 #kisslinux <movzbl> <travankor> acheam: you can self-host an irc bouncer
2021-04-07T14:44:24 #kisslinux <acheam> I do that
2021-04-07T14:45:20 #kisslinux <travankor> tbh I do think znc is kind of a pain
2021-04-07T14:45:24 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> acheam convinced me that’s the way to go. that’s how i broke my matrix habit ^^.
2021-04-07T14:46:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> travankor: you might want to look into pounce then, I haven't used it but those who do swear by it
2021-04-07T14:46:13 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> travankor: what’s the pain?
2021-04-07T14:46:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it has a lot of weird quirks, tldr
2021-04-07T14:47:13 #kisslinux <travankor> yeah, pretty much
2021-04-07T14:47:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> <acheam> in this case its excessive: it kind of depends on your needs.  IRC doesn't have video calls, for example.  if all you're doing is idling in a bunch of IRC channels then sure, a lot is bloat.  but if you're using it as a general communications (chat and video) solution then i wouldn't call it bloat
2021-04-07T14:48:08 #kisslinux <konimex> ah, if only sBNC is not abandoned
2021-04-07T14:48:49 #kisslinux <travankor> ominous_anonymou: video calls are handled by jitsi afaik
2021-04-07T14:49:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-04-07T14:49:35 #kisslinux <travankor> so nothing is preventing you from wiring up jitsi with ${CHAT_PROTOCOL}
2021-04-07T14:50:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sure.  or you can use the solution that already did it for you
2021-04-07T14:50:48 #kisslinux <travankor> is matrix jitsi integration good? never tried it
2021-04-07T14:50:51 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc_: :)
2021-04-07T14:50:58 #kisslinux <acheam> pounce and soju are both very good
2021-04-07T14:51:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i've never had an issue with it, although mine is just one experienc
2021-04-07T14:51:16 #kisslinux <acheam> soju is by a crazy wayland guy, and pounce is by a june/causal.agency
2021-04-07T14:51:19 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> meh. i haven’t messed around with znc settings too much. but i was happy enough when i had it installed and configured in <5min.  good enough for me. :)
2021-04-07T14:51:35 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah znc is good
2021-04-07T14:51:46 #kisslinux <acheam> but for a single-user bouncer its a bit excessive IMO
2021-04-07T14:51:57 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> truth
2021-04-07T14:53:10 #kisslinux <travankor> znc is ok, it works and is battle-tested, but it does feel like a bit over-engineered to me at least
2021-04-07T14:53:17 #kisslinux <travankor> s/like//
2021-04-07T14:53:18 #kisslinux <movzbl> <travankor> znc is ok, it works and is battle-tested, but it does feel  a bit over-engineered to me at least
2021-04-07T14:53:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and i thought the jitsi plugin was only used if there were 3+ participants?  you can also self-host jitsi meet if you don't want the traffic going through their servers
2021-04-07T14:53:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> btw, if anyone wants to mess around with znc, shoot me an email and i can set them up with an account on mine.  https://kirc.io:9999.
2021-04-07T15:41:35 #kisslinux <acheam> is it bad form to combine if statements with and without braces in c?
2021-04-07T15:41:56 #kisslinux <acheam> eg: the first if needs braces because its multiple lines, but the else condition can just be a single line
2021-04-07T15:42:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Always use braces
2021-04-07T15:42:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah use braces
2021-04-07T15:42:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Even if the block can be done in a single line
2021-04-07T15:42:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> For consistency
2021-04-07T15:42:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> And to prevent dumb mistakes later
2021-04-07T15:42:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> e.g. adding another statement to the else block
2021-04-07T15:43:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> without adding braces
2021-04-07T15:43:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so you end up with `if (foo) do_a(); do_b();'
2021-04-07T15:43:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> where do_b() is outside of the if block but it's not obvious
2021-04-07T15:48:30 #kisslinux <acheam> got it thanks
2021-04-07T15:48:39 #kisslinux <acheam> even if it fits on a single line?
2021-04-07T15:48:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel like then it would be acceptable
2021-04-07T15:50:13 #kisslinux <konimex> I personally think if it's only exactly if block without any else block, if without braces should be fine with indentation as the indicator
2021-04-07T15:50:49 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm thanks
2021-04-07T15:54:36 #kisslinux <travankor> https://dwheeler.com/essays/apple-goto-fail.html
2021-04-07T15:54:37 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] The Apple goto fail vulnerability: lessons learned
2021-04-07T15:54:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If it does fit in one line (e.g. if (!buf) err("calloc")) it's ok to not use braces imo
2021-04-07T15:54:53 #kisslinux <travankor> what happens when you don't use braces :D
2021-04-07T16:23:39 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> always use braces. :)
2021-04-07T16:27:50 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> misra exp19-c has a small snippet on why it’s best form.
2021-04-07T16:36:06 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> even devault tells you to use braces ^_^: https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/cstyle
2021-04-07T16:36:07 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] ~sircmpwn/cstyle - sourcehut git
2021-04-07T16:36:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I believe suckless/openbsd do the same
2021-04-07T16:38:52 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> but i guess if you are coding without the intention of sharing/collaborating, then it doesn’t matter so much.
2021-04-07T16:47:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> hi
2021-04-07T16:50:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> phoebos
2021-04-07T16:50:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-07T16:51:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: what's the verdict on gpg
2021-04-07T16:54:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> since the aim (we thought) was to be able to verify every commit to the repos
2021-04-07T16:55:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> at least that's the ideal
2021-04-07T16:58:50 #kisslinux <acheam> hey phoebos
2021-04-07T16:58:53 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks mcpcpc_
2021-04-07T16:59:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> hei acheam
2021-04-07T16:59:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> thanks for sending me to bed last night
2021-04-07T17:00:26 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T17:00:55 #kisslinux <acheam> we then found out that riteo was up even later
2021-04-07T17:04:16 #kisslinux <zola> Do we have any libiconv alternative already packaged in repos?
2021-04-07T17:05:56 #kisslinux <konimex> nothing that I'm aware of
2021-04-07T17:13:50 #kisslinux <zola> ok
2021-04-07T17:30:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> i guess it's more KISS to get the users to do it themselves
2021-04-07T17:30:54 #kisslinux <phoebos> maybe have a package which just holds public keys, nothing else
2021-04-07T17:31:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> then they can gpg --import and echo trusted-key
2021-04-07T17:31:16 #kisslinux <acheam> no I think it makes sense to import it too
2021-04-07T17:31:25 #kisslinux <acheam> but there's gotta be a more programattic way of doing it
2021-04-07T17:31:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> unfortunately i don't think there is
2021-04-07T17:31:48 #kisslinux <acheam> it doesn't have to be a shell script
2021-04-07T17:31:54 #kisslinux <acheam> i might be able to whip up a little c program to do it
2021-04-07T17:32:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> that would work
2021-04-07T17:32:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> but its not very KISS
2021-04-07T17:32:41 #kisslinux <acheam> its the next best thing
2021-04-07T17:33:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> eh, up to dilyn
2021-04-07T17:33:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm just not a fan of programmatic ways to add trusted keys
2021-04-07T17:34:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> that... defeats the point
2021-04-07T17:34:07 #kisslinux <acheam> it can have a prompt
2021-04-07T17:34:13 #kisslinux <acheam> it doesn't need to do it all silently
2021-04-07T17:34:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> agreed, but the package must be moderated heavily
2021-04-07T17:34:32 #kisslinux <konimex> wait, will users be forced to import the key just to verify signature? I never bothered with pgp keys
2021-04-07T17:34:33 #kisslinux <acheam> but programatic in that it doesn't akwardly pipe things into gnupg1
2021-04-07T17:34:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure but like
2021-04-07T17:34:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> eg. you should confirm fingerprints before merging a new sig
2021-04-07T17:34:43 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: no this would be entirely optional
2021-04-07T17:34:47 #kisslinux <acheam> right
2021-04-07T17:34:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> if a user cares enough about sig auth on commits that they want this, they would just seek out the key
2021-04-07T17:35:02 #kisslinux <acheam> that's inconvinient for just one commit
2021-04-07T17:35:04 #kisslinux <konimex> exactly
2021-04-07T17:35:29 #kisslinux <acheam> i get it for dilyn, but not for the rare commit that someone else might do
2021-04-07T17:35:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> this sounds like unneeded security for plaintext files
2021-04-07T17:35:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> i feel like the official repos could set a standard of security
2021-04-07T17:35:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, for binaries I understand it. Arch needs a keyring to make sure their TUs aren't compromised
2021-04-07T17:36:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> if somebody submitted a build script written in C I would want some verification, perhaps
2021-04-07T17:36:17 #kisslinux <acheam> you're right, it is a lot, but I do think it is a good standard to have
2021-04-07T17:36:26 #kisslinux <acheam> theres no reason not to do it IMO
2021-04-07T17:36:30 #kisslinux <konimex> iirc, even for "rare commit" someone else do, dilyn can still sign the commit instead of one
2021-04-07T17:36:36 #kisslinux <konimex> there's no reason to do it too, IMO
2021-04-07T17:36:47 #kisslinux <konimex> s/one/someone else/
2021-04-07T17:36:48 #kisslinux <movzbl> <konimex> there's no reason to do it too, IMO
2021-04-07T17:36:55 #kisslinux <konimex> oh great
2021-04-07T17:36:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> konimex: can he? that would be good
2021-04-07T17:37:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think I can just ammend the commit and sign it
2021-04-07T17:37:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I didn't read too closely
2021-04-07T17:37:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> that gets rid of any error messages during kiss u
2021-04-07T17:37:47 #kisslinux <konimex> at least for git am dilyn sure can, I'll take a look for github
2021-04-07T17:38:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> but dilyn has to trust unsigned commits
2021-04-07T17:38:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah for git am I have to sign the commit
2021-04-07T17:38:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> maybe that's a(nother) reason to move totally to emailing patches
2021-04-07T17:38:46 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-07T17:38:51 #kisslinux <konimex> well the diff's not really obfuscated so what's the point of "signed commits" if it's not in the main repo
2021-04-07T17:39:06 #kisslinux <acheam> or maybe you could just use git am with github as well
2021-04-07T17:39:14 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: we are talking about the main repo
2021-04-07T17:39:28 #kisslinux <konimex> I thought phoebos was talking about git am
2021-04-07T17:39:33 #kisslinux <konimex> > but dilyn has to trust unsigned commits
2021-04-07T17:39:41 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm confused
2021-04-07T17:39:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think ultimately it was a mistake to at least accept an unsigned PR, and in general the wrong choice
2021-04-07T17:39:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> i was talking about github PRs, since they're the majority atm
2021-04-07T17:40:14 #kisslinux <acheam> you can always download the github PR as a patch and apply it with dilyns signature
2021-04-07T17:40:21 #kisslinux <acheam> the url is just the PR url + .patch
2021-04-07T17:40:41 #kisslinux <phoebos> sure
2021-04-07T17:40:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> bit more work
2021-04-07T17:41:07 #kisslinux <acheam> https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/kiss-community/repo-main/pull/1.patch
2021-04-07T17:41:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr it redirects you to that url
2021-04-07T17:41:25 #kisslinux <acheam> but if you just put .patch at the end it works
2021-04-07T17:41:34 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah, something like https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/pull/1.patch
2021-04-07T17:41:40 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-04-07T17:41:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are also patch links in the emails if you sub :v
2021-04-07T17:41:55 #kisslinux <acheam> idk this is dilyns workflow so he should figuire it out for himself
2021-04-07T17:41:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> won't dilyn then have to separate close the PR?
2021-04-07T17:42:11 #kisslinux <acheam> you could write a wrapper script using the GH cli
2021-04-07T17:42:17 #kisslinux <acheam> which could close it automatically
2021-04-07T17:42:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> s/separate/separately/
2021-04-07T17:42:18 #kisslinux <movzbl> <phoebos> won't dilyn then have to separately close the PR?
2021-04-07T17:42:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you mention the PR in the commit message it auto closes on GH
2021-04-07T17:42:41 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice
2021-04-07T17:42:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah yeah
2021-04-07T17:43:32 #kisslinux <konimex> I'm sure if dilyn just merge the patch verbatim (just with the -S) it will show up as merged instead of hanging open, but not sure as I never tried it
2021-04-07T17:43:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> this also lessens the difference in workflow b/n PRs and mailed patches
2021-04-07T17:45:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> god git apply is so fucking complicated lol
2021-04-07T17:45:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> why are git help docs the most massive manpages
2021-04-07T17:45:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> i always use patch
2021-04-07T17:46:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah but if people use git-format-patch or w/e it saves me writing a commit message :v
2021-04-07T17:46:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> i know but i haven't read the manpage lol
2021-04-07T17:46:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-07T17:50:06 #kisslinux <konimex> oh, also iirc you can manually fetch the PR by using git fetch origin refs/pull/<number>/head and use git merge -S from there
2021-04-07T17:50:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice konimex
2021-04-07T17:50:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes one can also use this absurdly bizarre trick lmfao
2021-04-07T17:50:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is why I hate git >.<
2021-04-07T17:50:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> is fossil better? :P
2021-04-07T17:51:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> i will find out eventually(tm)
2021-04-07T17:51:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> me too(tm)
2021-04-07T17:51:19 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor2: ^
2021-04-07T17:51:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-07T17:51:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o git format-patch does --minimal
2021-04-07T17:51:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> this changes literally everything
2021-04-07T17:52:04 #kisslinux <merakor2> I have been summoned to jerk about fossil
2021-04-07T17:52:18 #kisslinux <merakor2> Git minimalistic confirmed?
2021-04-07T17:52:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmaoo
2021-04-07T17:52:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is like beatlejuicing but weirder
2021-04-07T17:53:16 #kisslinux <merakor2> I mean for my preferred workflow fossil is better
2021-04-07T17:53:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> specifically in this situation?
2021-04-07T17:53:49 #kisslinux <merakor2> But git is better if your workflow is similar to how linux kernel is maintained
2021-04-07T17:54:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> as in many levels of hierarchy?
2021-04-07T17:54:30 #kisslinux <merakor2> Yeah and many different trees for sublevels
2021-04-07T17:54:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe he means 'poorly'
2021-04-07T17:54:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> kekw
2021-04-07T17:55:17 #kisslinux <merakor2> I mean if you are tracking hundreds of patches in a day
2021-04-07T17:55:30 #kisslinux <merakor2> Dictator lieutenant workflow is better
2021-04-07T17:55:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-04-07T17:55:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm glad most of my work is just reading small diffs lol
2021-04-07T17:55:53 #kisslinux <merakor2> But 99 percent of projects don't have or require that
2021-04-07T17:55:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> usually just version bumps. big fan
2021-04-07T17:57:05 #kisslinux <merakor2> Fossil is a little like a cvs approach to git
2021-04-07T17:57:39 #kisslinux <konimex> so, a client-server approach instead of true dvcs?
2021-04-07T17:58:36 #kisslinux <merakor2> It is a true dvcs
2021-04-07T17:58:52 #kisslinux <merakor2> But branches default to global
2021-04-07T17:59:55 #kisslinux <merakor2> Although you can make private branches, and you don't need commit access to make commits
2021-04-07T18:00:30 #kisslinux <merakor2> I can be technically wrong about the wordings here
2021-04-07T18:00:38 #kisslinux <merakor2> So take them with a grain of salt
2021-04-07T18:01:14 #kisslinux <konimex> so, if someone pulls from my remote which has a private branch, will the private branch be pulled too or it will be ignored? I'm not really sure on what "private" means here
2021-04-07T18:02:26 #kisslinux <merakor2> No you private branches are local
2021-04-07T18:03:19 #kisslinux <merakor2> You can later publish them
2021-04-07T18:03:25 #kisslinux <konimex> ah I see
2021-04-07T18:04:09 #kisslinux <merakor2> (By merging to a public one)
2021-04-07T18:04:28 #kisslinux <konimex> wait so what's the difference between that and unpushed git commits in a git branch?
2021-04-07T18:04:46 #kisslinux <konimex> since the latter is also effectively local-only
2021-04-07T18:05:33 #kisslinux <merakor2> Well fossil doesn't differentiate origin/master and master
2021-04-07T18:05:42 #kisslinux <acheam> huh
2021-04-07T18:05:43 #kisslinux <acheam> how
2021-04-07T18:05:56 #kisslinux <merakor2> It's just master (or trunk for that case)
2021-04-07T18:06:13 #kisslinux <konimex> so if I make a commit in fossil it automatically pushes to remote?
2021-04-07T18:06:25 #kisslinux <merakor2> If you have autosync enabled, yes
2021-04-07T18:06:36 #kisslinux <merakor2> It doesn't have to
2021-04-07T18:07:30 #kisslinux <konimex> so with autosync disabled it's practically origin/master (or remote/trunk, I guess), right? man this is confusing
2021-04-07T18:08:27 #kisslinux <merakor2> It doesn't have it, because branches are global
2021-04-07T18:08:48 #kisslinux <merakor2> It doesn't make an assumption of the remote until you sync
2021-04-07T18:09:49 #kisslinux <konimex> so what if there's conflict between remote and local?
2021-04-07T18:10:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> So apparently signal updated their server code on github
2021-04-07T18:10:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oops wrong channel
2021-04-07T18:10:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> catgirl strikes again
2021-04-07T18:10:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why did the author choose that name btw ?
2021-04-07T18:10:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> why not
2021-04-07T18:10:54 #kisslinux <merakor2> Then you resolve them similar to git
2021-04-07T18:11:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: using weechat rn though
2021-04-07T18:11:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> the biggest problem i'm having with it is it disconnects without saying anything and doesn't reconnect
2021-04-07T18:11:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> but i could run it in a loop
2021-04-07T18:11:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-04-07T18:11:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> testuser_[m] they have a lot of feline things: catgirl, pounce, calico, catsit, litterbox, scooper lol
2021-04-07T18:11:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-04-07T18:11:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> phoebos: Yeah, the author says to run it in a loop
2021-04-07T18:12:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lop
2021-04-07T18:12:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-04-07T18:12:51 #kisslinux <konimex> cemkeylan: ah I think I get it
2021-04-07T18:12:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> kiedtl: it doesn't often quit even when it disconnects though
2021-04-07T18:14:33 #kisslinux <merakor2> It's really intuitive, but it really is a different approach to vcs
2021-04-07T18:15:32 #kisslinux <merakor2> It took me a while to grasp how it's not a centralized VCS the first time I have learned about it
2021-04-07T18:15:46 #kisslinux <aarng> fossil definitely sounds interesting
2021-04-07T18:16:01 #kisslinux <aarng> but I think my favorite is a simple patch based workflow via mail
2021-04-07T18:16:07 #kisslinux <aarng> problem is finding a mua I like
2021-04-07T18:16:28 #kisslinux <merakor2> Yeah, that's the biggest downside for me too
2021-04-07T18:16:30 #kisslinux <aarng> I never really use mail other than for official real life stuff
2021-04-07T18:16:36 #kisslinux <merakor2> I like mail patches
2021-04-07T18:17:09 #kisslinux <merakor2> But I can live without it
2021-04-07T18:19:05 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I need to get catgirl and pounce working. Laziness is a curse.
2021-04-07T18:19:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am open to most avenues of workflow if only so I can learn why I would hate them (:
2021-04-07T18:19:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> also, update on signing prior commits: git rebase --exec 'git commit --amend --no-edit -n -S' -i development
2021-04-07T18:19:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/development/#anyhash/
2021-04-07T18:19:32 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> also, update on signing prior commits: git rebase --exec 'git commit --amend --no-edit -n -S' -i #anyhash
2021-04-07T18:19:37 #kisslinux <merakor2> dilyn: svn repo when
2021-04-07T18:19:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> never
2021-04-07T18:19:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> i take it all back
2021-04-07T18:19:49 #kisslinux <merakor2> SVN community repository
2021-04-07T18:20:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> unlike most things, if someone creates one I will not mention it
2021-04-07T18:20:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> and will instead ban them
2021-04-07T18:20:25 #kisslinux * kiedtl cheers
2021-04-07T18:20:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-04-07T18:20:53 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: are you gonna literally sign every commit that happened
2021-04-07T18:21:00 #kisslinux <merakor2> Best approach to svn:
2021-04-07T18:21:01 #kisslinux <merakor2> Dont
2021-04-07T18:21:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, maybe...
2021-04-07T18:22:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> that would be signing literally every one though. I can pick individual ones via interactive rebase
2021-04-07T18:22:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> which i also don't understand
2021-04-07T18:22:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> you know what? somebody should create a comprehensive git repository you can clone to get an on-hands introduction to many of git's features
2021-04-07T18:23:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> that is such a good idea
2021-04-07T18:24:05 #kisslinux <aarng> oh btw, dilyn
2021-04-07T18:24:23 #kisslinux <aarng> my kiss-orphans awk rewrite, do I bother making a pr on kiss-community for it?
2021-04-07T18:25:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think I want any kiss-* tools to rely on non shell utilities
2021-04-07T18:25:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it could fit into community
2021-04-07T18:25:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmmm
2021-04-07T18:26:57 #kisslinux <aarng> it remains shell then, np
2021-04-07T18:29:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i like the idea of it being in community, and then maybe have a wiki page listing some kiss-* tool alternative implementations
2021-04-07T18:31:19 #kisslinux <merakor2> I mean, there are awk calls in kiss itself
2021-04-07T18:31:24 #kisslinux <merakor2> Why not an awk script
2021-04-07T18:32:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> its not the holy sh
2021-04-07T18:32:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> :O
2021-04-07T18:32:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> HM
2021-04-07T18:33:15 #kisslinux <aarng> on my system with 135 pkgs, it's 0m00.13s real vs 0m00.00s real
2021-04-07T18:33:30 #kisslinux <aarng> probably worse with a much slower machine and more packages installed
2021-04-07T18:33:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> my macbook pro with 223pkgs does kiss-orphans in .55s real
2021-04-07T18:33:53 #kisslinux <konimex> while we're at that, why not reimplement kiss in awk script? iirc awk is turing-complete
2021-04-07T18:34:09 #kisslinux <aarng> let's go
2021-04-07T18:34:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> for me, same reason i don't think a C rewrite of the package manager should replace the original by default
2021-04-07T18:34:23 #kisslinux <konimex> it's probably a PITA though
2021-04-07T18:34:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> it certainly won't replace it
2021-04-07T18:36:30 #kisslinux <aarng> speed doesn't really matter with a source based package manager if you ask me
2021-04-07T18:36:40 #kisslinux <aarng> there is a limit ofc
2021-04-07T18:36:45 #kisslinux <aarng> looking at gentoo
2021-04-07T18:37:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> ew
2021-04-07T18:37:58 #kisslinux <aarng> it's different with all the small kiss utilities, just feels better when they are instant
2021-04-07T18:38:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss doesn't super need to change because so little time during its usage is spent actually *in* kiss
2021-04-07T18:39:10 #kisslinux <aarng> yep
2021-04-07T18:40:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> konimex: don't you have to use system() to run commands in awk, which afaik runs it with sh -c? so you'd be spawning a new shell for every command even if it isn't run in a subshell in the current sh version
2021-04-07T18:41:21 #kisslinux <konimex> I'm not familiar with awk so yeah one might end up running shell anyway
2021-04-07T18:42:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> not gonna replace sh but still cool and fun
2021-04-07T18:45:51 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah no, there is no point in rewriting kiss in awk
2021-04-07T18:45:54 #kisslinux <aarng> it would be painful
2021-04-07T18:48:16 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00592-0
2021-04-07T18:48:17 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] Adding is favoured over subtracting in problem solving
2021-04-07T18:48:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> they finally caught up
2021-04-07T18:49:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> wait wait wait
2021-04-07T18:50:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> so in that first example there
2021-04-07T18:50:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> the optimal solution, according to these people
2021-04-07T18:50:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> is to turn the roof into... not a roof?
2021-04-07T18:50:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> wtf
2021-04-07T18:50:30 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wdym
2021-04-07T18:51:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> they say "But a simpler (and cheaper) solution would be to remove the existing pillar, and let the roof simply rest on the base"
2021-04-07T18:51:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> which is another way of saying, don't put a roof on this structure idiot
2021-04-07T18:51:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> which... ?!?!?!
2021-04-07T18:51:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the base is the walls of the building
2021-04-07T18:51:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so its still a roof
2021-04-07T18:52:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> plus how were the participants actually asked?
2021-04-07T18:52:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> the way the figure is made makes it look like you have a base holding a figurine and a pillar which supports the roof block
2021-04-07T18:53:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> was it implied that you had to add?
2021-04-07T18:53:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> the way they phrased itin the article, it is absolutely the correct move
2021-04-07T18:53:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> but becuase they call it a ROOF, of course the participants will aim to keep the roof a roof
2021-04-07T18:53:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> the solution is not to say 'well don't put a roof up there dummy'
2021-04-07T18:53:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'how would you modify this structure so the roof does not crush the figurine, knowing that adding a brick costs 10c per brick'
2021-04-07T18:54:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> the assumption in this question is that... we still want a roof. but apparently the correct solution is a taller floor. becuase obviously
2021-04-07T18:54:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck science lmfao
2021-04-07T18:54:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just move the figurine, damn not that hard ppl
2021-04-07T18:54:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-07T18:54:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> how is it not a roof if you remove that top brick?
2021-04-07T18:55:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> then there's no attic
2021-04-07T18:55:10 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the 2x2 one holding up the roof
2021-04-07T18:55:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no attic, no roof.  gotta keep the attic
2021-04-07T18:55:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I thought the whole thing was the pillar?
2021-04-07T18:55:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> who would design this structure!
2021-04-07T18:55:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> chaos!
2021-04-07T18:56:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> based on the size of the figurine, its one of those tiny housese
2021-04-07T18:56:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the pillar just that back corner brick according to the caption
2021-04-07T18:57:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> the way i read the caption suggests that the whole thing is the pillar
2021-04-07T18:58:00 #kisslinux <noocsharp> In this structure, a roof is supported by a pillar at one corner of a building
2021-04-07T18:58:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> s/(.*)/"1"
2021-04-07T18:59:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thats a quote
2021-04-07T19:00:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> right, but that obnoxiously large collection of bricks is in the corner of the building
2021-04-07T19:01:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, i would agree that it's a shitty pillar and whoever the architect here was is a moron and should have his license taken away
2021-04-07T19:01:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> but none of this explanation makes me first think that just the small square block is the whole pillar :thinking:
2021-04-07T19:01:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> that obnoxiously large collection of bricks *is* the building
2021-04-07T19:01:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but my girlfriend agrees with you, so clearly i'm an idiot
2021-04-07T19:01:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> pillars are part of buildings
2021-04-07T19:02:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm assumming this room is larger though; otherwise this isn't even a building!
2021-04-07T19:02:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a gazebo!
2021-04-07T19:02:30 #kisslinux <noocsharp> a pretty crappy gazebo, it has walls
2021-04-07T19:03:01 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i wouldn't want to live in there
2021-04-07T19:06:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> unrelated: i have a professor that uses two spaces for indentation in python
2021-04-07T19:06:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> and puts spaces before parenthesis when calling a function
2021-04-07T19:07:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wtf
2021-04-07T19:07:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that's like... choosing the worst of all worlds
2021-04-07T19:07:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> inb4 bUt JuSt UsE bLAcK
2021-04-07T19:08:10 #kisslinux <noocsharp> he also puts "(object)" when declaring classes
2021-04-07T19:08:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I love black
2021-04-07T19:08:26 #kisslinux <noocsharp> despite it not being 2010
2021-04-07T19:09:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I actually like the inherits from object notation
2021-04-07T19:10:01 #kisslinux <acheam> makes it more consistent
2021-04-07T19:10:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> (interesting article though thanks for sharing)
2021-04-07T19:13:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> given that its social sciences research my first inclination is to think that its probably wrong
2021-04-07T19:14:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would be interesting to see how exposure to this study impacts the participants in a follow-up study lmao
2021-04-07T19:14:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but im not about to read the papers to find out
2021-04-07T19:14:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> that would be interesting
2021-04-07T22:09:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> what do y'all do for fonts
2021-04-07T22:10:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> what are your faves
2021-04-07T22:18:00 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the one true terminal font: Monaco
2021-04-07T22:21:26 #kisslinux <jslick> source code pro , noto
2021-04-07T22:25:31 #kisslinux <acheam> Jetbrains Mono
2021-04-07T22:25:43 #kisslinux <acheam> noto is nice, but its by EvilCorp Co
2021-04-07T22:26:39 #kisslinux <acheam> DejaVu for everything else
2021-04-07T22:27:30 #kisslinux <jslick> yeah, I use dejavu a lot too
2021-04-07T22:27:43 #kisslinux <acheam> wow lookie you, with multiple fonts installed
2021-04-07T22:27:45 #kisslinux <acheam> how fancy
2021-04-07T22:28:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> cozette 4days
2021-04-07T22:28:07 #kisslinux <noocsharp> monaco was the default monospace font on macs up to leopard
2021-04-07T22:28:09 #kisslinux <jslick> no, I have a lot of computers
2021-04-07T22:28:20 #kisslinux <acheam> wow lookie you, with multiple computers
2021-04-07T22:28:22 #kisslinux <acheam> how fancy
2021-04-07T22:28:43 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: how?
2021-04-07T22:28:48 #kisslinux <jslick> lol, yes, that
2021-04-07T22:28:52 #kisslinux <acheam> how do you not go blind?
2021-04-07T22:29:08 #kisslinux <acheam> or are you already so blind that the pixelation makes it look like a normal font
2021-04-07T22:29:47 #kisslinux <acheam> also no bold or italics
2021-04-07T22:30:31 #kisslinux <noocsharp> or do you use mcf's st for wayland so antialiasing doesn't work anyway?
2021-04-07T22:31:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't like bold or italics
2021-04-07T22:32:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> it doesn't look pixelated...
2021-04-07T22:32:12 #kisslinux <acheam> only if you have crappy fonts and antialiasing lol
2021-04-07T22:32:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> i also have iosevka as a fallback on this laptop atm
2021-04-07T22:32:23 #kisslinux <acheam> iosevka gives me a headache
2021-04-07T22:32:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so acheam's first guess was right
2021-04-07T22:32:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm using X on this mbp so regular old st
2021-04-07T22:32:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> i use foot otherwise
2021-04-07T22:32:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> well i'm sorry my opinion on fonts bothers you! :P
2021-04-07T22:32:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I vibe with them
2021-04-07T22:33:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> most fonts bother me so i'm surprised i like these ones so much tbh
2021-04-07T22:34:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> in my experience terminal fonts are one of those things where taste is a force of habit
2021-04-07T22:34:22 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh damn i disconnected
2021-04-07T22:34:35 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ive been using monaco since like 2015, so its what i use lmao
2021-04-07T22:34:36 #kisslinux <acheam> logbot to the rescue
2021-04-07T22:35:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> aye lol
2021-04-07T22:35:44 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: is monaco open source?
2021-04-07T22:36:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> i installed a bitmap a few days ago and omg vector fonts are so blurry
2021-04-07T22:36:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I have a self-designed font :^)
2021-04-07T22:36:07 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh
2021-04-07T22:36:08 #kisslinux <acheam> link?
2021-04-07T22:36:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's a flex
2021-04-07T22:36:19 #kisslinux <acheam> the biggest of flexes
2021-04-07T22:36:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://0x0.st/-ck-.png
2021-04-07T22:36:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://0x0.st/-cko.png
2021-04-07T22:36:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also http://0x0.st/-ckH.png
2021-04-07T22:36:49 #kisslinux <acheam> wow I could never use that, but very cool
2021-04-07T22:37:00 #kisslinux <acheam> oh i'm in that screenshot!
2021-04-07T22:37:12 #kisslinux <acheam> what irc client is that? I like the look of it
2021-04-07T22:37:38 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol that was when we were arguing over our hypothetical KISS web browser
2021-04-07T22:37:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's weechat lol
2021-04-07T22:37:52 #kisslinux <acheam> oh haha
2021-04-07T22:37:58 #kisslinux <acheam> that's much more customized than I ever made it
2021-04-07T22:38:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> my current weechat has a bar though http://0x0.st/-ckX.png
2021-04-07T22:38:03 #kisslinux <acheam> I just ran it pretty much stock
2021-04-07T22:38:11 #kisslinux <acheam> wow imagine ricing your irc clinet
2021-04-07T22:38:18 #kisslinux <acheam> but wow that is actually epic
2021-04-07T22:38:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heathen, who doesn't rice their irc clients
2021-04-07T22:38:30 #kisslinux <acheam> i didn't even know you could do that with weechat
2021-04-07T22:38:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's one of the most riceable software!~
2021-04-07T22:38:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the right buffer list is a bit of a hack though
2021-04-07T22:39:03 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/KCFGRBa.png
2021-04-07T22:39:05 #kisslinux <acheam> theres mine
2021-04-07T22:39:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's done with a very primitive weechat script
2021-04-07T22:39:11 #kisslinux <acheam> stock catgirl with the tmux bar
2021-04-07T22:39:16 #kisslinux <acheam> its beautiful
2021-04-07T22:39:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ooh
2021-04-07T22:39:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What's the font?
2021-04-07T22:39:30 #kisslinux <acheam> JetBrains Mono Nerd Font
2021-04-07T22:39:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: same lol
2021-04-07T22:39:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> except no tmux
2021-04-07T22:39:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ay
2021-04-07T22:39:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't actually use tmux
2021-04-07T22:40:07 #kisslinux <acheam> just use it so I can reconnect to this client on my server
2021-04-07T22:40:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> fair
2021-04-07T22:40:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: we dont talk about copyright for monaco
2021-04-07T22:40:31 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-07T22:40:39 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine pirating your fonts
2021-04-07T22:40:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: what wayland compositor have you settled on?
2021-04-07T22:41:06 #kisslinux <acheam> why do people like bitmap fonts here?
2021-04-07T22:41:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> they're so clean
2021-04-07T22:41:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It works well on my extremely low-dpi screen.
2021-04-07T22:41:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> vector fonts look shit over here :V
2021-04-07T22:41:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> how low
2021-04-07T22:41:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hmm
2021-04-07T22:41:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what's the xrandr command, let's see
2021-04-07T22:42:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yeah
2021-04-07T22:42:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> like
2021-04-07T22:42:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm lucky i'm hidpi
2021-04-07T22:42:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I have no idea
2021-04-07T22:42:22 #kisslinux <acheam> 13in 1920x1080
2021-04-07T22:42:30 #kisslinux <acheam> well, not super hi dpi
2021-04-07T22:42:32 #kisslinux <acheam> just not lo dpi
2021-04-07T22:42:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ...
2021-04-07T22:42:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that's mine
2021-04-07T22:42:54 #kisslinux <acheam> oh...
2021-04-07T22:42:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what on earth
2021-04-07T22:43:03 #kisslinux <acheam> is that low dpi???
2021-04-07T22:43:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I have no fucking idea
2021-04-07T22:43:13 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm pretty sure thats pretty high
2021-04-07T22:43:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, maybe no 13in
2021-04-07T22:43:28 #kisslinux <acheam> it's definately not "extremely low-dpi screen"
2021-04-07T22:43:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lemme measure, this is a used 10yearish old monitor
2021-04-07T22:43:41 #kisslinux <acheam> so should I use bdf, otb, or ttf
2021-04-07T22:43:48 #kisslinux <acheam> (not to start a flamewar)
2021-04-07T22:44:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yes
2021-04-07T22:44:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> 1366x768 over here, 14 in
2021-04-07T22:44:27 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-07T22:44:31 #kisslinux <acheam> that's a bit low
2021-04-07T22:44:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> is it
2021-04-07T22:44:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> oops
2021-04-07T22:44:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: in case you haven't noticed, I'm super dumb -- my monitor is 18in = w=
2021-04-07T22:44:51 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol
2021-04-07T22:44:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> tbh i've never had better so i don't mind
2021-04-07T22:45:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> phoebos: still hikari for now
2021-04-07T22:45:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> 13" 2560x1600 is bae
2021-04-07T22:46:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: nice
2021-04-07T22:46:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> any problems with it
2021-04-07T22:46:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> new monitor is 27" 1440p but i have yet to figure out how to get 120hz to work...
2021-04-07T22:46:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> no problems! just a lot of features i haven't explored/don't need
2021-04-07T22:46:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> omg that must be like so much energy use
2021-04-07T22:46:41 #kisslinux <phoebos> but pwetty
2021-04-07T22:46:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbh velox is basically perfect except tiles windows and isn't wlroots :(
2021-04-07T22:46:58 #kisslinux <acheam> holy crap how do people use this
2021-04-07T22:46:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> i will eat the energy costs for fluid scrolling lol
2021-04-07T22:47:03 #kisslinux <acheam> i've tried like 4 bitmap fonts
2021-04-07T22:47:12 #kisslinux <acheam> like, it looks cool
2021-04-07T22:47:17 #kisslinux <acheam> but for practical use???
2021-04-07T22:47:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's weird to begin with
2021-04-07T22:47:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> i can't not have it now
2021-04-07T22:47:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> if i could figure out how to make weechat look nice I'd love to use it, but I never know how to even navigate without staring at help docs :(
2021-04-07T22:48:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> i can't use weechat either
2021-04-07T22:48:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> minimalism is mostly not being smart enough to learn all the commands in a big program
2021-04-07T22:48:49 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T22:50:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I was always a weechat tourist
2021-04-07T22:50:11 #kisslinux <acheam> never really learned the program
2021-04-07T22:52:06 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm iosevka is actually kind of nice, now that I'm using it
2021-04-07T22:53:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> and it support ligatures!
2021-04-07T22:53:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> iosevka is bae
2021-04-07T22:53:29 #kisslinux <acheam> so does jetbrains mono
2021-04-07T22:53:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah but is it also pretty?
2021-04-07T22:53:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-07T22:53:53 #kisslinux <acheam> iosevka: https://i.imgur.com/wecAdJ1.png
2021-04-07T22:53:56 #kisslinux <acheam> jetbrains mono: https://i.imgur.com/8keq9q8.png
2021-04-07T22:54:11 #kisslinux <acheam> they're pretty similar
2021-04-07T22:54:16 #kisslinux <acheam> but iosevka is slimmer
2021-04-07T22:54:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I like how jetbrains puts the * character in the middle, whereas iosevka puts it in the top
2021-04-07T22:55:19 #kisslinux <acheam> also jetbrains seems to support more ligatures
2021-04-07T22:55:49 #kisslinux <acheam> for example, iosevka doesn't have __ or == like jetbrains does
2021-04-07T22:55:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> i used to use fantasque sans mono
2021-04-07T22:56:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> which was funky
2021-04-07T22:56:07 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: given that you brought this up, did you switch to anything new just now?
2021-04-07T22:56:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> still researching lol
2021-04-07T22:56:36 #kisslinux <acheam> why was fantasque funky?
2021-04-07T22:56:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> i thought iosevka had == ...
2021-04-07T22:56:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> it does ---> tho!
2021-04-07T22:56:43 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like an average font to me
2021-04-07T22:56:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: its wobbly!
2021-04-07T22:56:54 #kisslinux <acheam> the == just looks like a ligature I think
2021-04-07T22:56:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> jetbrains so fat :S
2021-04-07T22:57:03 #kisslinux <acheam> there are lighter versions
2021-04-07T22:57:07 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I always use hack. I keep trying new things, and ending up back...
2021-04-07T22:57:08 #kisslinux <acheam> oh fat as in wide?
2021-04-07T22:57:10 #kisslinux <acheam> yes indeed
2021-04-07T22:57:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> nope. it's been cancelled.
2021-04-07T22:57:14 #kisslinux <acheam> it is a wiiiiiide boy
2021-04-07T22:57:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-07T22:57:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> hack is a fine font!
2021-04-07T22:57:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> noto-fonts is hell tho
2021-04-07T22:57:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's like, a 1GB download :X
2021-04-07T22:57:43 #kisslinux <acheam> it supports *all* the characters
2021-04-07T22:57:45 #kisslinux <acheam> *all* of 'em
2021-04-07T22:58:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> every character in every language in every style at every size
2021-04-07T22:58:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> whether you WANT IT or NOT
2021-04-07T22:58:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> relieved when i discovered it was only a recommended font for KDE and not required lol
2021-04-07T22:58:49 #kisslinux <acheam> omg imagine if it was required
2021-04-07T22:58:58 #kisslinux <acheam> you don't have to install the full thing though
2021-04-07T22:59:29 #kisslinux <acheam> throwback to when alacritty would take 5 seconds to start because the font calculations it did timed out because i had too many fonts installed
2021-04-07T22:59:31 #kisslinux <acheam> (thanks noto)
2021-04-07T23:09:44 #kisslinux <acheam> 'ello
2021-04-07T23:10:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> hiya
2021-04-07T23:10:57 #kisslinux <acheam> oops
2021-04-07T23:11:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> LMFAO
2021-04-07T23:11:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> FIRED
2021-04-07T23:11:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> oof
2021-04-07T23:11:21 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-07T23:11:26 #kisslinux <acheam> but where will I get monies to buy food
2021-04-07T23:12:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> ask cmpwn
2021-04-07T23:13:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm not showing my face anywhere around there until I figure out this "sending messages in the wrong channel" business
2021-04-07T23:13:12 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T23:13:16 #kisslinux <acheam> its happened too often
2021-04-07T23:15:16 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> stagit uses single line if statements?  ekk!
2021-04-07T23:16:00 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-07T23:16:56 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> oh.  i didnt mean to send that! lol
2021-04-07T23:17:02 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T23:17:06 #kisslinux <acheam> hit the up arrow?
2021-04-07T23:17:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> i thought it.  i started to type it.  but then said “nah”. but then i sent it. lol.
2021-04-07T23:18:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> ios return button is too close to backspace
2021-04-07T23:18:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heh
2021-04-07T23:18:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also, who needs ligatures?
2021-04-07T23:18:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's not KISS
2021-04-07T23:18:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Why do you think we use --- instead of boxdrawing characters on KISS' website?
2021-04-07T23:19:05 #kisslinux <acheam> unicode is fine
2021-04-07T23:19:11 #kisslinux <acheam> and the plaintext is always there too
2021-04-07T23:19:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> don’t get me started on the box drawing. ^^.
2021-04-07T23:20:02 #kisslinux <acheam> ugh its actually a long of single line ifs
2021-04-07T23:20:08 #kisslinux <acheam> 17 to be precise
2021-04-07T23:20:19 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> word of the day. lmfao
2021-04-07T23:20:34 #kisslinux <acheam> its on topic!
2021-04-07T23:20:54 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> lol. love it.
2021-04-07T23:21:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's the only true style.
2021-04-07T23:21:30 #kisslinux <acheam> finally someone who gets it
2021-04-07T23:21:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Dylan didn't use braces, so we shouldn't either! We are the recievers of his mantle !!  We are his torchbearers !!~~
2021-04-07T23:22:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> ligatures are only fun when they do the maths things for latex
2021-04-07T23:22:26 #kisslinux <acheam> nah I think they're great for reducing visual clutter
2021-04-07T23:22:33 #kisslinux <acheam> like __ being a ligature is really nice in python
2021-04-07T23:22:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ligatures are for Haskell nerds
2021-04-07T23:22:42 #kisslinux <acheam> so is == in pretty much every language
2021-04-07T23:22:50 #kisslinux <acheam> and the arrows are nice for day-to-day
2021-04-07T23:23:01 #kisslinux <acheam> haskell nerds tend to take it a step further
2021-04-07T23:23:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ligaturing whole keywords
2021-04-07T23:23:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> eh, could be confusing for __ ==
2021-04-07T23:23:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> {} braces are love {}
2021-04-07T23:23:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> {} braces are life {}
2021-04-07T23:23:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> All the Haskell fishes <<- >>-
2021-04-07T23:23:46 #kisslinux <acheam> nah its substantially different, its easy to tell the difference
2021-04-07T23:23:56 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/dL4Y2bS.png
2021-04-07T23:23:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> fair enough
2021-04-07T23:24:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> so if I'm not actually insane, all I need to stand up a mailing list is opensmtpd and mlmmj?
2021-04-07T23:24:24 #kisslinux <acheam> yooo i neverrealized thats what the haskell logo is
2021-04-07T23:24:25 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-07T23:24:30 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: pretty much
2021-04-07T23:24:38 #kisslinux <acheam> you might want a web archive viewer
2021-04-07T23:24:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> UNLESS i wanted to give lads inboxes
2021-04-07T23:24:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure
2021-04-07T23:24:47 #kisslinux <acheam> bubger
2021-04-07T23:24:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes i have that tab opened xD
2021-04-07T23:25:04 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll take an inbox if you're giving 'em out
2021-04-07T23:25:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-04-07T23:25:12 #kisslinux <acheam> but I think that is too much centrall infrastrucutre
2021-04-07T23:25:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> girlfriend is working on a project all night so i have more free time today than expected
2021-04-07T23:25:16 #kisslinux <acheam> no KISS
2021-04-07T23:25:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i am NOT giving them out :v
2021-04-07T23:25:17 #kisslinux <acheam> woot!
2021-04-07T23:25:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> get ur own
2021-04-07T23:25:21 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-07T23:25:37 #kisslinux <acheam> I have an ulteriour motive in this relationship
2021-04-07T23:25:43 #kisslinux <acheam> if I break you guys up, we get more time on kiss
2021-04-07T23:25:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Are the underscores supposed to be joined? http://0x0.st/-ck9.png
2021-04-07T23:25:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss kiss
2021-04-07T23:26:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> -_-
2021-04-07T23:26:21 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: yes, see 1 underscore: _ , 2: __ , 3: ___ , 4: ____
2021-04-07T23:26:27 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/RE43nhI.png
2021-04-07T23:26:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, that could be done on the font level like my font or tamzen
2021-04-07T23:26:47 #kisslinux <acheam> it *is* done on the fon't level
2021-04-07T23:26:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh
2021-04-07T23:26:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol acheam that example renders mad weird on kiwiirc
2021-04-07T23:26:59 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't know why I put an apostrophe there lol
2021-04-07T23:27:03 #kisslinux <acheam> send screenshot
2021-04-07T23:27:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> ok acheam how do you do dem screenshots so fast
2021-04-07T23:27:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> eh
2021-04-07T23:27:12 #kisslinux <acheam> flameshot
2021-04-07T23:27:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> it just underlines the , 2:
2021-04-07T23:27:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I want to fork flameshot to use 0x0 though
2021-04-07T23:27:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh wait, I meant on the glyph level
2021-04-07T23:27:49 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol
2021-04-07T23:27:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Extend the underscore to the borders of the cell
2021-04-07T23:27:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah
2021-04-07T23:28:08 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, but you only want it to be that way when you have 2 underscores
2021-04-07T23:28:18 #kisslinux <acheam> and it would look weird when its not underscores next to it
2021-04-07T23:28:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dunno, I like it to be that way everytime
2021-04-07T23:28:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-04-07T23:28:49 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-07T23:28:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://0x0.st/-ckp.png
2021-04-07T23:28:55 #kisslinux <acheam> for some ligatures that wouldn't work though
2021-04-07T23:28:57 #kisslinux <acheam> like arrows
2021-04-07T23:29:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> True, I was talking about underscores specifically
2021-04-07T23:29:14 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah I guess your fon't does that
2021-04-07T23:29:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> anyway, gtg o/
2021-04-07T23:29:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah, it does
2021-04-07T23:29:26 #kisslinux <acheam> damn it why do I keep instintively typing apostrophes in fon't
2021-04-07T23:29:27 #kisslinux <acheam> font
2021-04-07T23:29:28 #kisslinux <acheam> font
2021-04-07T23:29:28 #kisslinux <acheam> font
2021-04-07T23:29:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lolol
2021-04-07T23:29:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> also acheam what's your system with uploading patches to your website?
2021-04-07T23:30:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol
2021-04-07T23:30:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I just rsync em to /var/www/armaanb.net
2021-04-07T23:30:37 #kisslinux <acheam> and I have a helper script
2021-04-07T23:30:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah nice
2021-04-07T23:30:48 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.armaanb.net/bin/file/pubup.html
2021-04-07T23:30:48 #kisslinux <movzbl> [url] pubup - bin - Useful small programs
2021-04-07T23:31:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> perks of having a server
2021-04-07T23:31:37 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-07T23:31:57 #kisslinux <acheam> although you could easily use rclone and some cloud storage provider
2021-04-07T23:32:04 #kisslinux <acheam> or just 0x0 or smthng
2021-04-07T23:32:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> is /dev/tty the active terminal
2021-04-07T23:32:46 #kisslinux <acheam> think so
2021-04-07T23:32:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> yea pre sure
2021-04-07T23:32:55 #kisslinux <acheam> i prefer to use /dev/pts/x
2021-04-07T23:33:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's in your script
2021-04-07T23:33:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> lel
2021-04-07T23:33:24 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol embarrasing I wrote that yesterday
2021-04-07T23:33:29 #kisslinux <acheam> for script use I use /dev/tty
2021-04-07T23:33:34 #kisslinux <acheam> for interactive I use /dev/pts
2021-04-07T23:33:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> what's the difference
2021-04-07T23:33:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I think /dev/pts complains if you're running it in a script
2021-04-07T23:33:56 #kisslinux <acheam> let me check
2021-04-07T23:34:35 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I guess not
2021-04-07T23:34:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> ig with /dev/pts you can also use a different terminal
2021-04-07T23:34:40 #kisslinux <acheam> they seem to both work
2021-04-07T23:34:41 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-07T23:34:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its just habbit
2021-04-07T23:35:18 #kisslinux <acheam> $(tty) also seems a bit more programattic than /dev/tty
2021-04-07T23:35:25 #kisslinux <acheam> $(tty) also seems a bit more programattic than /dev/tty
2021-04-07T23:35:37 #kisslinux <acheam> s/programattic/consistent
2021-04-07T23:35:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> damn i sent ctrl-c to my irc terminal
2021-04-07T23:35:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> gg
2021-04-07T23:35:43 #kisslinux <acheam> oof
2021-04-07T23:35:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> the dreaded double message
2021-04-07T23:35:56 #kisslinux <acheam> oi I double messaged it so that he could see it
2021-04-07T23:36:06 #kisslinux <acheam> but now I'm questoining my existince
2021-04-07T23:36:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> the dreaded double message
2021-04-07T23:36:13 #kisslinux <acheam> "maybe I *am* matrix bot"
2021-04-07T23:36:29 #kisslinux <acheam> that's one other thing I don't like about catgirl
2021-04-07T23:36:33 #kisslinux <acheam> you can C-c it
2021-04-07T23:36:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam the true force for good in #kisslinux
2021-04-07T23:36:39 #kisslinux <acheam> can't do that with weechat
2021-04-07T23:36:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk i like consistency with breaks
2021-04-07T23:37:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't like it in my IRC client though
2021-04-07T23:37:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I never actually quit it
2021-04-07T23:37:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> why would you not want ctrl+c to work in your terminal, heathen
2021-04-07T23:37:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I just close the window
2021-04-07T23:37:22 #kisslinux <acheam> because I use it in Tmux over SSH
2021-04-07T23:37:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> le gasp
2021-04-07T23:37:36 #kisslinux <acheam> I never actually want to quit the program
2021-04-07T23:37:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> clingy much
2021-04-07T23:37:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> i wish i could quit some programs :(
2021-04-07T23:37:53 #kisslinux <acheam> haha
2021-04-07T23:37:57 #kisslinux <acheam> like chromium
2021-04-07T23:37:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> f
2021-04-07T23:38:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-04-07T23:38:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> doas shutdown
2021-04-07T23:38:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> would solve that
2021-04-07T23:38:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> :P
2021-04-07T23:38:50 #kisslinux <acheam> who uses shutdown?
2021-04-07T23:39:13 #kisslinux * acheam quickly checks to see if "poweroff" is a systemd-only thing
2021-04-07T23:39:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> not me
2021-04-07T23:39:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> im on hummingbird so i use kill -s INT 1
2021-04-07T23:39:31 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh
2021-04-07T23:39:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> but uh
2021-04-07T23:39:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> i tend to keep my laptop on
2021-04-07T23:40:00 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah me too
2021-04-07T23:40:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I only reboot if it locks up
2021-04-07T23:40:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-07T23:40:16 #kisslinux <acheam> I do Fn+Insert though
2021-04-07T23:40:20 #kisslinux <acheam> which is a hardware sleep key
2021-04-07T23:40:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive been slocking overnite
2021-04-07T23:40:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> the past three days i've ran my battery down completely each night
2021-04-07T23:41:09 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe if you went to sleep earlier
2021-04-07T23:41:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> so it's been goodbye
2021-04-07T23:41:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> i dont like running my battery out
2021-04-07T23:41:21 #kisslinux * phoebos cries
2021-04-07T23:41:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive got mine perma-charging
2021-04-07T23:41:28 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm a bit careful about how I charge it
2021-04-07T23:41:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> don't kick me
2021-04-07T23:41:35 #kisslinux <acheam> to prevent the battery from wearing out
2021-04-07T23:41:35 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-04-07T23:41:47 #kisslinux <acheam> so I try and do only full charges, 5% to 100%
2021-04-07T23:41:56 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't like removing it half way
2021-04-07T23:42:01 #kisslinux <acheam> okay I have actual work to do
2021-04-07T23:42:03 #kisslinux <acheam> good bye for now
2021-04-07T23:42:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> tlp to the rescue
2021-04-07T23:42:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> bye
2021-04-07T23:52:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> i dont' want to shut my laptop down because i'm worried it won't boot again :X
2021-04-07T23:52:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> damn this zfs
2021-04-07T23:53:46 #kisslinux <claudia> acheam, you probably have a liion battery. These batteries wear out at the most when you drive them to the maximum voltage borders.
2021-04-07T23:54:18 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-04-07T23:54:27 #kisslinux <acheam> oh no
2021-04-07T23:54:41 #kisslinux <acheam> I should do more research into this
2021-04-07T23:54:53 #kisslinux <claudia> they dont "like" being 4.2v all the time or something around 3v(empty) all the time.
2021-04-07T23:55:50 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmmm
2021-04-07T23:55:55 #kisslinux <claudia> Thinkpads have this nice feature to set charging thresholds. E.g stop charging at 90%. THey are the only ones which have this nice feature afaik.
2021-04-07T23:56:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> yay for me
2021-04-07T23:56:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I know you can set that with software on linux
2021-04-07T23:56:19 #kisslinux <acheam> but hardware is definatley nicer
2021-04-07T23:56:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> hardware == pulling out the charger
2021-04-07T23:56:42 #kisslinux <acheam> and by software I mean messing around in /sys
2021-04-07T23:58:35 #kisslinux <claudia> So a liion battery which is plugged in all the time wears also down (:
2021-04-07T23:58:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeaaaah i know :c
2021-04-07T23:59:15 #kisslinux <claudia> Which is totaly dump!
2021-04-07T23:59:23 #kisslinux <claudia> +dumb
2021-04-07T23:59:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> i definitely need to buy a desktop
2021-04-07T23:59:51 #kisslinux <claudia> A portable one ^^