2021-05-07T00:00:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> i have found tho that unless i know my code well, neatvi is better for quickly moving thru and making big changes
2021-05-07T00:00:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz otherwise i gotta use less
2021-05-07T00:04:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm doing a big think here
2021-05-07T00:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> what if
2021-05-07T00:04:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i started using links as my main browser
2021-05-07T00:04:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> what if indeed
2021-05-07T00:04:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> because like, it's kind of fucking based
2021-05-07T00:04:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a patch in my repo that adds support for tabbed
2021-05-07T00:04:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you can pipe content to external programs
2021-05-07T00:05:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I can browse invidious from links, and watch videos locally using ffmpeg or whatever
2021-05-07T00:05:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> aye i'm thinking about this
2021-05-07T00:05:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> links gui is really nice too
2021-05-07T00:05:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is
2021-05-07T00:06:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> my only complaint is that it doesn't like CSS
2021-05-07T00:06:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive got a couple of site browsing habits that would make that switch difficult for me
2021-05-07T00:06:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't
2021-05-07T00:06:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> i.e. i use bandcamp
2021-05-07T00:06:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> who does like CSS
2021-05-07T00:06:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i basically only use invidious, wikipedia, and plaintext sites
2021-05-07T00:06:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think the only sites that use JS that I visit regularly are...
2021-05-07T00:07:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, protonmail, and my router's config GUI
2021-05-07T00:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> the former can be fixed with POP and the latter can be done via ssh
2021-05-07T00:07:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> keeping a bloat browser on retainer for that is good
2021-05-07T00:07:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> too
2021-05-07T00:07:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i keep a pale moon binary around for compat reasons
2021-05-07T00:07:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that I can actually like
2021-05-07T00:07:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> place orders on ebay, and shit
2021-05-07T00:14:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, btw, phoebos
2021-05-07T00:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to try using links with tabbed,
2021-05-07T00:15:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-BBx.sh
2021-05-07T00:15:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> ooh
2021-05-07T00:16:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> you call that links?
2021-05-07T00:16:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> Links, not links
2021-05-07T00:16:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> although if you changed the program invocations to be absolute
2021-05-07T00:17:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then set the script in a $PATH directory higher in priority than /bin
2021-05-07T00:17:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could get away with just links
2021-05-07T00:17:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah ofc
2021-05-07T00:18:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-05-07T00:19:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-BB3.png
2021-05-07T00:20:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can even set different handlers depending on whether you're in X or the tty
2021-05-07T00:20:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's beautiful
2021-05-07T00:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can use a media player for X in X, and one for the framebuffer in the tty, without needing to tinker after the initial setup
2021-05-07T00:23:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's really comfy ngl
2021-05-07T00:25:11 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Just learned about the redo build system. Seems interesting.
2021-05-07T00:44:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you guys know if there's a way to exit a while loop in a shell script without ending the whole thing?
2021-05-07T00:52:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: `break`?
2021-05-07T01:16:24 #kisslinux <acheam> anyone used kakoune?
2021-05-07T01:16:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> briefly yeah
2021-05-07T01:16:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiedtl I was just being a dumbass, as usual
2021-05-07T01:16:45 #kisslinux <acheam> is it any good?
2021-05-07T01:16:51 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm off put by the fact its written in cpp
2021-05-07T01:16:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk if i really used it enough to get the benefits of it over vim
2021-05-07T01:17:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> turns out that while...done only terminates if the script is initiated with -e
2021-05-07T01:17:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> or something
2021-05-07T01:17:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't even know what was causing my problem, but removing -e seems to fix everything
2021-05-07T01:17:22 #kisslinux <acheam> ew cpp17 too
2021-05-07T01:18:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> i found the popup hints handy but at the same time theres a lot of features i never really used
2021-05-07T01:18:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> or needed to use
2021-05-07T01:18:13 #kisslinux * necromansy shrug
2021-05-07T01:18:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-BM-.sh
2021-05-07T01:18:54 #kisslinux <acheam> hm thanks
2021-05-07T01:18:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> more absolutely fantastic scripts from yours truly
2021-05-07T01:19:23 #kisslinux <acheam> my guy is your tab key broken
2021-05-07T01:19:35 #kisslinux <acheam> have you ever heard of "=="
2021-05-07T01:19:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> same with vis tbh, the use of sam regex was something i never used
2021-05-07T01:19:50 #kisslinux <acheam> no visual block mode killed vis for me
2021-05-07T01:19:56 #kisslinux <acheam> i get that its intentional
2021-05-07T01:20:00 #kisslinux <acheam> but its just not my workflow
2021-05-07T01:20:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> visual block is so useful
2021-05-07T01:20:15 #kisslinux <acheam> and yeah I know i'd never use sam regex
2021-05-07T01:20:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah no it's ugly as sin acheam
2021-05-07T01:20:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> y'know whats funny, i was the same, but then i started using vi and then ed
2021-05-07T01:20:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> can't imagine switching to an editor without
2021-05-07T01:20:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to clean it up
2021-05-07T01:20:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> and now ive learned to do a lot of that with regex
2021-05-07T01:20:36 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: what do you use instead to align things, for example
2021-05-07T01:20:41 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-05-07T01:20:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-05-07T01:20:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I like to do it visually
2021-05-07T01:20:55 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm a filthy point and clicker
2021-05-07T01:21:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> sometimes ive installed vim just to do that
2021-05-07T01:21:05 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-07T01:21:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> sounds like you should just use vim then :p
2021-05-07T01:21:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> but most of the time i dont mind hacking out a regex
2021-05-07T01:21:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> i guess sometimes should be like..2 times since i deleted it
2021-05-07T01:21:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-05-07T01:21:52 #kisslinux <acheam> if I just need to align a block of text quickly writing a regex for it seems so unnecesarily complex compared to just ^V 10j I 10<SPACE> ^[
2021-05-07T01:22:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> most of the time it was to deal with large ASCII files of data where the space delimiter had failed
2021-05-07T01:22:21 #kisslinux <acheam> now that I write it like that it looks complex
2021-05-07T01:22:34 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: makes sense
2021-05-07T01:22:44 #kisslinux <acheam> that def isn't a very programattic way
2021-05-07T01:22:56 #kisslinux <acheam> plus you can just throw a regex into sed as part of a larger processing script
2021-05-07T01:22:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-05-07T01:23:00 #kisslinux <acheam> or an awk script
2021-05-07T01:23:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> nothing quite like going thru 86400 lines of ASCII data and shifting across like a hundred odd lines
2021-05-07T01:23:58 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh but kakoune is unlicensed
2021-05-07T01:24:03 #kisslinux <acheam> damn this repo is a wild ride of emotions
2021-05-07T01:24:34 #kisslinux <acheam> if you're writing regexes for aligning text I don't think kakoune would be a good fit for you anyhow
2021-05-07T01:24:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah thats what ive found
2021-05-07T01:24:50 #kisslinux <acheam> its pretty selection oriented
2021-05-07T01:25:06 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh it has a scratch buffer like emacs
2021-05-07T01:25:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> theres definitely neat features in it
2021-05-07T01:25:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive also considered trying out one of the acme ports
2021-05-07T01:25:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> https://github.com/karahobny/acme2k
2021-05-07T01:25:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> this looks neat
2021-05-07T01:25:56 #kisslinux <acheam> gah I don't think I could ever get used to acme
2021-05-07T01:26:03 #kisslinux <acheam> especially on a laptop with a touchpad
2021-05-07T01:26:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah ive only ever tried it w/ laptops w/ mice
2021-05-07T01:26:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> but the OG version is neat
2021-05-07T01:27:15 #kisslinux <acheam> as i'm finding out very quickly kak only has a small subset of vim bindings
2021-05-07T01:30:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive noticed a lot of vi(m) spin-offs have a very specific feature set that you need to use
2021-05-07T01:30:44 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-05-07T01:30:48 #kisslinux <acheam> whatever the creator uses
2021-05-07T01:30:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> otherwise you're just calling vim with a diff name
2021-05-07T01:31:00 #kisslinux <acheam> only evil mode is an all encompassing vim emulation layer
2021-05-07T01:31:20 #kisslinux <acheam> for example in kak you cant $ to go to the end of the line or 0 to go to the start
2021-05-07T01:31:26 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm sure there are clever ways of doing that
2021-05-07T01:31:30 #kisslinux <acheam> but its not lifted from vim
2021-05-07T01:31:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah iirc theres specific keybinds for that
2021-05-07T01:32:09 #kisslinux <acheam> oh and d doens't delte the newline
2021-05-07T01:32:15 #kisslinux <acheam> that's going to drive me nuts
2021-05-07T01:32:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah alt-l, alt-h for $ and 0
2021-05-07T01:32:22 #kisslinux <acheam> neat thanks
2021-05-07T01:32:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> https://github.com/mawww/kakoune/wiki/Migrating-from-Vim
2021-05-07T01:32:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> theres a wiki entry just for this
2021-05-07T01:32:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> like
2021-05-07T01:32:36 #kisslinux <acheam> oooh bookmarking
2021-05-07T01:33:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> the 'noun verb' language of kak is something that took me a moment to get used to
2021-05-07T01:33:27 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr that moves my selection
2021-05-07T01:33:33 #kisslinux <acheam> not my cursor
2021-05-07T01:33:37 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll find it though
2021-05-07T01:34:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh lmao the cursor ones are on the same line and im dumb
2021-05-07T01:34:07 #kisslinux <acheam> latin does verb at the end so its not a huge adjustment for me lukcily
2021-05-07T01:34:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> gh gl
2021-05-07T01:34:21 #kisslinux <acheam> 2 clicks !?!??!?!!?!?!?!
2021-05-07T01:35:30 #kisslinux <acheam> ah and capital G brings your selection too
2021-05-07T01:35:33 #kisslinux <acheam> everything makes sense
2021-05-07T01:35:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah it takes minor adjustment but there is logic to it
2021-05-07T01:35:56 #kisslinux <acheam> I do like the alt keys
2021-05-07T01:36:03 #kisslinux <acheam> its something I enjoy in emacs
2021-05-07T01:36:25 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Kakoune is my main editor. It definitely doesn't try to be the same as vim.
2021-05-07T01:36:41 #kisslinux <acheam> oh great you get to watch me as I struggle to adapt :)
2021-05-07T01:37:19 #kisslinux <acheam> oh hey the pure sh bible is mentioned in the kak docs
2021-05-07T01:37:28 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> It changes stuff to be more consistent at the cost of convenience sometimes. E.g. w and <a-w> instead of w and W
2021-05-07T01:37:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I value that more tbh
2021-05-07T01:37:55 #kisslinux <acheam> and when building from scratch it makes sense
2021-05-07T01:38:11 #kisslinux <acheam> so good on them for breaking from vim, but also keeping the spirit of it
2021-05-07T01:38:16 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Yeah, your system shell is your only built-in plugin language.
2021-05-07T01:39:33 #kisslinux <acheam> ack I have work to do for tomorrow
2021-05-07T01:39:37 #kisslinux <acheam> kak will have to wait
2021-05-07T01:39:48 #kisslinux <acheam> (he says well knowing he's going to spend the next 3 hours working on this)
2021-05-07T01:40:57 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> It's so nice when it's actually easy to adhoc change function names from camel case to snake case though. You def can do it in vim, but I have to try if I want a macro that doesn't break or if I want a regex that covers all the cases.
2021-05-07T01:41:32 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm that does sound very helpful
2021-05-07T01:42:03 #kisslinux <acheam> especially given the amount of old xaw example programs and stuff i'm going through that all use TitleCaseVariables
2021-05-07T01:42:31 #kisslinux <acheam> any color scheme recs? My usuals aren't available for kak
2021-05-07T01:45:48 #kisslinux <acheam> rc
2021-05-07T01:45:52 #kisslinux <acheam> oops
2021-05-07T01:46:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> >he uses rc
2021-05-07T01:46:12 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> One thing is that kakoune is less clever than vim. If your tmux escapes are broken, vim has a workaround, but kak doesn't. If your terminal colors are broken, kak won't help you.
2021-05-07T01:46:22 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: was typing the rc after kak lol
2021-05-07T01:46:27 #kisslinux <acheam> I can assure you I don't use rc
2021-05-07T01:47:20 #kisslinux <acheam> eyepatchOwl: hmm shouldn't be an issue for me, but I can definitely see that being annoying for some
2021-05-07T01:47:32 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I grabbed monokai and paper color because I like bright colors with dark. 🤷. Default is pretty ok though (unlike vim which has a heap of bad choices) GitHub is a good light theme.
2021-05-07T01:48:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I never liked editors that don't derive colors from the system theme
2021-05-07T01:48:51 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Btw, there is a #kakoune irc (I'm not consistently on irc) and a discord where this would be more on topic.
2021-05-07T01:49:04 #kisslinux <acheam> there is no such thing as off topic here
2021-05-07T01:49:08 #kisslinux <acheam> well, within reason
2021-05-07T01:49:22 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> So, I've been installing systemd...
2021-05-07T01:49:35 #kisslinux <acheam> blasphemous, but on topic
2021-05-07T01:50:08 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I've been thinking about if initrc was implemented using redo so that it would be easier to have parallel boot.
2021-05-07T01:51:00 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I've also been thinking about if init scripts were written in C, if that might make boot faster.
2021-05-07T01:51:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> parallel boot is a meme
2021-05-07T01:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if your machine takes that long to start, maybe you should like. defer some of that stuff until after your machine is up.
2021-05-07T01:54:08 #kisslinux <acheam> you'd save 0.1 sec
2021-05-07T01:54:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> by deferring stuff, or rewriting stuff in C, or..?
2021-05-07T01:56:05 #kisslinux <acheam> rewrite in c
2021-05-07T01:56:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah, yeah
2021-05-07T01:56:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was gonna say
2021-05-07T01:56:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're telling me that starting less stuff during boot doesn't save a ton of time then you can fight me
2021-05-07T02:10:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Kakoune is better than vim?
2021-05-07T02:10:19 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-05-07T02:10:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> depends on what you want out of a text editor
2021-05-07T02:11:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> kakoune definitely has less uh..feature creep coz its new
2021-05-07T02:15:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I see the screenshots
2021-05-07T02:15:13 #kisslinux <acheam> kak is selection oriented, rather than movement oriented
2021-05-07T02:15:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> It have plugins?
2021-05-07T02:15:27 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-07T02:15:49 #kisslinux <acheam> but its not as splat as vim is where you can extend it in python, ruby, vimL, etc
2021-05-07T02:15:51 #kisslinux <acheam> afaict
2021-05-07T02:16:10 #kisslinux <acheam> see https://github.com/andreyorst/plug.kak
2021-05-07T02:17:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> In vim i only use lightline and
2021-05-07T02:19:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Autopairs
2021-05-07T02:19:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So if it have it is good
2021-05-07T02:20:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kak isn't *better* per se, but it's interface is free of the inconsistent legacy stuff that bugs (neo)vim
2021-05-07T02:20:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but with kakoune you kinda get used to its flavor of vim keybinds and then you can't use vi lol
2021-05-07T02:21:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^^
2021-05-07T02:22:24 #kisslinux <acheam> thats true with any unique editor/program though
2021-05-07T02:23:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Not really, I can use Emacs and not forget my Vim keybinds
2021-05-07T02:23:35 #kisslinux <acheam> well thats two different classes
2021-05-07T02:23:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah
2021-05-07T02:23:46 #kisslinux <acheam> but try using spacemacs and then going back to stock emacs
2021-05-07T02:23:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> true
2021-05-07T02:24:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kakoune is great if you don't have a dozen servers you ssh in every now and then, where you can't expect to have kakoune installed
2021-05-07T02:24:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Any recommendations to browser?
2021-05-07T02:24:36 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhhhh I have those
2021-05-07T02:24:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> pale meme
2021-05-07T02:24:51 #kisslinux <acheam> with emacs it wasnt a problem though becuase of TRAMP
2021-05-07T02:25:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> TRAMP?
2021-05-07T02:25:09 #kisslinux <acheam> built in remote editing functionality
2021-05-07T02:25:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah
2021-05-07T02:25:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nice
2021-05-07T02:25:14 #kisslinux <acheam> save files over ssh and stuff
2021-05-07T02:25:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yup, those plugins are neat
2021-05-07T02:25:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Pale meme is too much meme
2021-05-07T02:25:45 #kisslinux <acheam> dude you use kiss linux
2021-05-07T02:25:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Emacs makes a whole lot more sense if you think of it as a productivity platform instead of an editor
2021-05-07T02:25:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hellboy2d: see the topic
2021-05-07T02:26:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hey wait
2021-05-07T02:26:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah idg using emacs as editor first and foremost
2021-05-07T02:26:21 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: oi
2021-05-07T02:26:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You rang?
2021-05-07T02:26:36 #kisslinux <acheam> you replaced my sign!
2021-05-07T02:26:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I shall call the HOA on you
2021-05-07T02:26:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Since when was it yours??
2021-05-07T02:26:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: HALP
2021-05-07T02:27:02 #kisslinux <acheam> since I set it here all the way back in my youth of 1877
2021-05-07T02:27:15 #kisslinux <acheam> i do use emacs as a productivity client though
2021-05-07T02:27:27 #kisslinux <acheam> I use eww, elfeed, mu4e, etc
2021-05-07T02:27:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hellboy2d: FF is good if you can stand the build times
2021-05-07T02:27:39 #kisslinux <acheam> oh god i'm trapped aren't I?
2021-05-07T02:27:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> then there's the webkit browsers otherwise
2021-05-07T02:27:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> FF is fine if you just want to build something "works"
2021-05-07T02:28:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/something/something that
2021-05-07T02:29:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I use ff
2021-05-07T02:29:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I talk about privacy
2021-05-07T02:29:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Whats the best?
2021-05-07T02:29:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Firefox with plugins?
2021-05-07T02:29:47 #kisslinux <acheam> firefox with locked down about:Config and plugins
2021-05-07T02:29:53 #kisslinux <acheam> arkenfox's config is a good place to start
2021-05-07T02:30:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> im using firefox and firefix-privacy
2021-05-07T02:30:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, stock FF isn't very private at all
2021-05-07T02:32:04 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean
2021-05-07T02:32:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah i use
2021-05-07T02:32:06 #kisslinux <acheam> compared to chrome
2021-05-07T02:32:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> FF-privacy
2021-05-07T02:32:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And some configs of privacytools.io
2021-05-07T02:33:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Compared to chrome, just about anything other than Edge is private
2021-05-07T02:42:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I heard about next browser
2021-05-07T02:42:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Minimal
2021-05-07T02:43:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And they pretend to port ff and chrome plugins
2021-05-07T02:47:22 #kisslinux <acheam> but chromium
2021-05-07T02:47:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nyxt is the one with the emacs keybindings, right?
2021-05-07T02:48:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and it's written in common lisp
2021-05-07T02:48:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think
2021-05-07T02:48:07 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-05-07T02:48:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was about to meme on it
2021-05-07T02:48:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if it's written in lisp then hey that's pretty cool
2021-05-07T02:48:27 #kisslinux <acheam> it memed itself by being based on chromium
2021-05-07T02:48:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yes is in lisp
2021-05-07T02:48:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> >chromium
2021-05-07T02:48:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> >written in lisp
2021-05-07T02:48:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck
2021-05-07T02:48:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is like
2021-05-07T02:48:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> a triple bait-and-switch
2021-05-07T02:50:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ye, idk why they didn't just use webkit
2021-05-07T02:50:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably because it's dogshit
2021-05-07T02:50:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmfao
2021-05-07T02:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I could tolerate webkit I'd use lariza. lariza is nice
2021-05-07T03:05:52 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Sshfs is pretty great.
2021-05-07T03:06:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, it's nice
2021-05-07T03:08:50 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I feel like the basics of read and write files over ssh would be pretty easy, but is the working directory over tramp that wouldn't be as obvious. And making grep just work invisibly and so on.
2021-05-07T03:09:04 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Which, sshfs handles for you, but...
2021-05-07T03:09:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> pretty sure it just pulls it into a cache and then operates on it normally
2021-05-07T03:10:33 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Pretty much, yeah.
2021-05-07T03:11:34 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> But, tramp had to do more work to make all the plugins of emacs work invisibly without knowing they're not working locally since it doesn't look like a filesystem like sshfs would.
2021-05-07T03:13:20 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-07T03:16:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-BMu.png
2021-05-07T03:16:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> tinkering on Links
2021-05-07T03:16:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> the font rendering is nice
2021-05-07T03:17:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna have to modify tabbed to mesh with it better
2021-05-07T04:29:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835
2021-05-07T04:30:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> Glad I did not push audacity to community.
2021-05-07T04:32:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> that is not a popular PR
2021-05-07T04:32:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeesh
2021-05-07T04:35:15 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah I saw that
2021-05-07T04:35:25 #kisslinux <acheam> community fork in 5... 4... 3...
2021-05-07T04:35:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> Their "acquisition" was very hush hush too. It was just some dude making a YouTube video saying "btw I'm in charge now"
2021-05-07T04:35:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> Like wha
2021-05-07T04:36:11 #kisslinux <acheam> apparently the devs were very confused too
2021-05-07T04:36:34 #kisslinux <acheam> but the internet quickly caught on
2021-05-07T04:36:45 #kisslinux <acheam> as it tends to do
2021-05-07T04:37:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> is that the tentacity dude or w/e his name is?
2021-05-07T04:37:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive watched a few of his vids and he makes some interesting content, but his vids on these sorts of programs always seemed UX/UI based
2021-05-07T04:38:38 #kisslinux <acheam> oh the Dev uses xcode
2021-05-07T04:38:47 #kisslinux <acheam> thats why he's so hurt inside
2021-05-07T04:39:36 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Hi
2021-05-07T04:40:09 #kisslinux * necromansy waves
2021-05-07T04:43:07 #kisslinux <dilynm> Next thing we know it's gonna be vlc adding telemetry and microtransactions...
2021-05-07T04:43:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> Rustll hit mainline in the kernel
2021-05-07T04:43:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> And then we make the great BSD migration lads
2021-05-07T04:49:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> speaking of BSD, i wonder how obsd will handle this
2021-05-07T07:13:56 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi
2021-05-07T07:14:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-05-07T07:14:56 #kisslinux <mmatongo> morning
2021-05-07T08:02:33 #kisslinux <mmatongo> anyone work with dlang here?
2021-05-07T12:07:12 #kisslinux <aarng> damn, missed the editor conversation
2021-05-07T12:07:38 #kisslinux <aarng> necromansy, if you like ed, try sam
2021-05-07T12:07:50 #kisslinux <aarng> it's literally ed 2.0
2021-05-07T12:08:24 #kisslinux <aarng> I had the misconception that you kinda have to use the gui, but that's not the case at all
2021-05-07T12:09:48 #kisslinux <aarng> the mouse based gui is actually awful, especially because it has it's own window management where you drag a rectangle to create windows
2021-05-07T12:09:49 #kisslinux <aarng> awful
2021-05-07T12:18:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aarng: which variant do you use, lorddimwit's one?
2021-05-07T12:23:39 #kisslinux <aarng> kiedtl: I currently use the sam from 9base
2021-05-07T12:23:43 #kisslinux <aarng> which has not gui
2021-05-07T12:23:48 #kisslinux <aarng> no*
2021-05-07T12:23:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah
2021-05-07T12:24:56 #kisslinux <aarng> kiedtl: do you have a link to lorddimwit's?
2021-05-07T12:27:08 #kisslinux <aarng> a sam, where every buffer is spawned in a separate terminal, would be my ideal editor I think
2021-05-07T12:28:16 #kisslinux <aarng> going full ed-style without a dedicated preview window is a bit too cumbersome
2021-05-07T12:29:46 #kisslinux <aarng> oh, lorddimwit is just another alias of deadpixi
2021-05-07T12:47:29 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> acheam: https://github.com/aabacchus/kiss-repo/commit/f050c5ce1b92f9d78c94f323d6010aebdaa5ba37
2021-05-07T13:05:42 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like the audacity analytics will only work when its built in GH actions because it needs the API key
2021-05-07T13:05:48 #kisslinux <acheam> and its an opt-in compile-time option
2021-05-07T13:06:02 #kisslinux <acheam> so wouldn't affect KISS
2021-05-07T13:06:24 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: oh thanks lol
2021-05-07T13:12:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But windows/mac/whatever users get the gh actions release right
2021-05-07T13:18:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm sure they would
2021-05-07T13:18:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> interesting that this happened just after audacity was scr^Wbought by musescore's owners
2021-05-07T13:21:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol they're vendoring libcurl
2021-05-07T13:21:16 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah there was a very angry comment from theh arch maintainer about that
2021-05-07T13:21:36 #kisslinux <acheam> they also vendor wxwidgets and a few other libraries they use
2021-05-07T13:21:54 #kisslinux <acheam> to whoever packages this for kiss, good luck.
2021-05-07T13:24:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what does "vendored" mean in this context?
2021-05-07T13:25:22 #kisslinux <acheam> directly including the library in the source tree
2021-05-07T13:25:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> instead of linking against the library in a shared form?
2021-05-07T13:26:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> I already had it packaged for KISS :o
2021-05-07T13:26:20 #kisslinux <acheam> in some cases it can make sense: you need some specific fork of it, you need some old version of it
2021-05-07T13:26:26 #kisslinux <acheam> but just to curl some stuff at google?
2021-05-07T13:26:33 #kisslinux <acheam> its unnecesary and makes it harder to package
2021-05-07T13:26:55 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: yes, and instead of letting the package manager/build system/builder bring their own version
2021-05-07T13:27:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm all for static linking, but this requires static linking + a custom version of the library
2021-05-07T13:27:53 #kisslinux <acheam> or dynamically linking it, but installing it in a way that it doesn't conflict with the system version
2021-05-07T14:19:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/thestinger/termite
2021-05-07T14:19:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> >VTE is a terrible base for building a modern, fast and safe terminal emulator. It's slow, brittle and difficult to improve. VTE is treated as simply being the GNOME Terminal widget rather than a library truly intended to be useful to others. They've gone out of the way to keep useful APIs private due to hostility towards implementing any kind of
2021-05-07T14:19:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> user interface beyond what they provide.
2021-05-07T14:20:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> >GTK and most of the GNOME project are much of the same. Avoid them and don't make the mistake of thinking their libraries are meant for others to use.
2021-05-07T14:29:59 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhhhh
2021-05-07T14:29:59 #kisslinux <acheam> wow
2021-05-07T14:30:18 #kisslinux <acheam> someone god really peeved at a bug lol
2021-05-07T14:31:21 #kisslinux <acheam> "Please note, that there is actually still a use case for VTE-based terminals: Many laptops popular with the libreboot crowd are based on the GM45 chipset with the GMA4500 iGPU (Thinkpad x200, T400, T500...), which does not support alacritty's requirement of OpenGL 3.3. (Though there is an alacritty branch which addresses this....)"
2021-05-07T14:32:38 #kisslinux <miskatonic> does rxvt-unicode work on those computers?
2021-05-07T14:32:50 #kisslinux <acheam> but urxvt is..... urxvt
2021-05-07T14:32:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i use rxvt everywhere i can
2021-05-07T14:33:16 #kisslinux <acheam> ah cool didn't realize the termite dev is also the grapheneos guy
2021-05-07T14:34:41 #kisslinux <miskatonic> how about the suckless terminal emulator on those computers?
2021-05-07T14:38:06 #kisslinux <miskatonic> or the old xterm, which is much older than opengl3 ?
2021-05-07T14:38:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> xterm doesn't require opengl
2021-05-07T14:38:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or the gpu at all
2021-05-07T14:38:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think so anyway, I 'm using it on an Rpi without any gpu
2021-05-07T14:38:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> few years ago now: https://lwn.net/Articles/749992/
2021-05-07T14:39:22 #kisslinux <miskatonic> then it's best to stick to apps which do not require gpu and opengl, whenever possible
2021-05-07T15:12:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is there a way to make go use stuff like ~/.cache instead of ~/go
2021-05-07T15:13:54 #kisslinux <acheam> if there is, thatd be awesome
2021-05-07T15:14:06 #kisslinux <acheam> id guess its just an environemnt variable?
2021-05-07T15:14:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> GOPATH?
2021-05-07T15:15:41 #kisslinux <acheam> for those who use pass for password management and dmenu, i've reimplemented the passmenu script in POSIX sh: https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/bin/tree/main/item/passmenu
2021-05-07T15:21:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> are those 8-char tabs?  you monster!
2021-05-07T15:21:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 8-char tabs are the openbsd-approved way to operate, heretic
2021-05-07T15:22:22 #kisslinux <miskatonic> i do not need theo de raadt's permiut for chosing my tab width
2021-05-07T15:22:34 #kisslinux <miskatonic> i do not need theo de raadt's permit for choosing my tab width
2021-05-07T15:23:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it seems so wasteful when considering 80 or 120 char line widths are still very popular
2021-05-07T15:24:01 #kisslinux <aarng> not that hard to do 74 chars per line AND 8 char tabs
2021-05-07T15:24:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: uhh I just hit ==
2021-05-07T15:24:19 #kisslinux <miskatonic> my console is even less than 80 chars wide
2021-05-07T15:25:07 #kisslinux <aarng> imagine needing editor features to insert your preferred way of indentation, smh
2021-05-07T15:26:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> miskatonic do you use 60 chars?
2021-05-07T15:29:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i find even when i'm reading a website or something, anything more than ~120 chars just gets too wide for me
2021-05-07T15:32:24 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, is awk supposed to just strip the prefix off?
2021-05-07T15:41:23 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: yes strip the prefix and the .gpg suffix
2021-05-07T15:41:52 #kisslinux <acheam> it could probably be done in pure sh
2021-05-07T15:42:16 #kisslinux <acheam> but i'd rather just pipe it into awk over looping through every line in sh
2021-05-07T15:42:45 #kisslinux <aarng> oh, it removes a suffix too
2021-05-07T15:42:56 #kisslinux <aarng> was wondering if it was working as intended
2021-05-07T15:43:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it seems to be :)
2021-05-07T15:44:01 #kisslinux <acheam> ach what how did I not realize pass is written in bash
2021-05-07T15:44:14 #kisslinux <aarng> lol
2021-05-07T15:44:26 #kisslinux <acheam> welp time to reimplement 700 lines of code
2021-05-07T15:44:34 #kisslinux <aarng> your effort was in vain
2021-05-07T15:44:48 #kisslinux <miskatonic> so translate pass for usage with another shell?
2021-05-07T15:45:18 #kisslinux <acheam> hey i mean, its a little bit better now
2021-05-07T15:45:23 #kisslinux <aarng> aren't there like 2 portable pass scripts?
2021-05-07T15:45:27 #kisslinux <acheam> are there?
2021-05-07T15:45:41 #kisslinux <aarng> there's at least one
2021-05-07T15:46:24 #kisslinux <aarng> https://github.com/nmeum/tpm/
2021-05-07T15:46:38 #kisslinux <aarng> https://notabug.org/kl3/spm/
2021-05-07T15:47:03 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks!
2021-05-07T16:06:03 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://github.com/dylanaraps/pash
2021-05-07T16:06:41 #kisslinux <acheam> oh...
2021-05-07T16:07:00 #kisslinux <acheam> lol how did I not know about any of these
2021-05-07T16:07:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i replaced pass with pash a while ago
2021-05-07T16:07:14 #kisslinux <miskatonic> pash is pass with its own shell language?
2021-05-07T16:07:29 #kisslinux <acheam> posix sh, yes
2021-05-07T16:07:46 #kisslinux <acheam> oh you're a contributor
2021-05-07T16:08:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the last contribution ever!
2021-05-07T16:09:50 #kisslinux <miskatonic> so even theo de raadt's oksh can be used with pash?
2021-05-07T16:09:55 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-07T16:10:05 #kisslinux <aarng> totally forgot that dylan made one too
2021-05-07T17:47:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> protip: do not 1) disable swap files in vim, 2) draft an entire essay with no intermediate saves, and 3) run all your terminals connected to a single server
2021-05-07T17:47:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> becuase they WILL crash as you do that first :wq
2021-05-07T17:47:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> and you WILL lose all your work (:
2021-05-07T18:00:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> rough drafts === final drafts
2021-05-07T18:00:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> rough drafts == final product
2021-05-07T18:03:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> any of you ever touch stumpwm?
2021-05-07T18:03:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/-BjC.png FVWM2 (2.6 from Debian's repo)
2021-05-07T18:03:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> the menu is a nice start
2021-05-07T18:03:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> window decor needs some work
2021-05-07T18:03:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-05-07T18:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >using ffplay
2021-05-07T18:03:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> based
2021-05-07T18:04:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta package more themes for my config
2021-05-07T18:04:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> not mine, it's one of those filthy reddit posts.  acme colorscheme for terminal and vim
2021-05-07T18:04:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-05-07T18:05:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> tell them that writing a five-line config file doesn't make their post original
2021-05-07T18:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and also inform them of the --nodisp flag for ffplay
2021-05-07T18:05:52 #kisslinux <aarng> at least it's not arch + i3gaps
2021-05-07T18:06:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> XD in terms of /r/unixporn it is very original
2021-05-07T18:06:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> people are using fvwm more because it's "hip"
2021-05-07T18:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it makes me want to commit homicide
2021-05-07T18:06:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-05-07T18:06:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have all these options
2021-05-07T18:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> practically a turing-complete window manager
2021-05-07T18:06:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> and all you can come up with is that
2021-05-07T18:07:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> at least its not straight stock fvwm, they've put some effort in
2021-05-07T18:07:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> some
2021-05-07T18:07:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> if your config isn't dozens of megabytes then don't talk to me
2021-05-07T18:08:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> up to 61.7mb including my assets
2021-05-07T18:08:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> those are some thicc assets
2021-05-07T18:08:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you make your own icons or something?
2021-05-07T18:08:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's mostly in the wallpapers
2021-05-07T18:09:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I don't make stuff completely from scratch, but I do modify things a lot
2021-05-07T18:09:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that they e.g have a constant height
2021-05-07T18:09:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i intend to get audacity at some point so I can equalize my sound samples
2021-05-07T18:10:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> play the wilhelm scream every time you close a window
2021-05-07T18:10:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can do you one better
2021-05-07T18:11:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can play the wilhelm scream when I kill a window
2021-05-07T18:12:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, dude... about to pass out at my desk, it feels like
2021-05-07T18:12:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> or do a gunshot and blood effect, james bond intro style
2021-05-07T18:13:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, that's for login
2021-05-07T18:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wish scwm was still in development
2021-05-07T18:21:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> last release november 2006
2021-05-07T18:22:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-05-07T18:22:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> last commit 2017 though, not as far back
2021-05-07T18:22:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> last release mar-12-2000
2021-05-07T18:22:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> scwm 0.99.6.2
2021-05-07T18:22:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> must be complete
2021-05-07T18:22:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-05-07T18:23:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "they" kept going on github: https://github.com/gjbadros/scwm
2021-05-07T18:23:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> neat
2021-05-07T18:29:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> ughhhhhh I have to inhale roff this weekend
2021-05-07T18:31:11 #kisslinux <aarng> on my todo list as well
2021-05-07T18:31:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> a friend of mine is looking to help me get an internship
2021-05-07T18:31:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> so i have to draft a resume
2021-05-07T18:31:37 #kisslinux <aarng> same guy who did neatvi also has neatroff
2021-05-07T18:31:41 #kisslinux <aarng> I'd use that
2021-05-07T18:31:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not using Plan 9 troff
2021-05-07T18:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngmi
2021-05-07T18:32:21 #kisslinux <aarng> works too but it's probably not capable of exporting to pdf
2021-05-07T18:32:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> can to postscript
2021-05-07T18:32:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> which ghostscript can store as a pdf
2021-05-07T18:32:47 #kisslinux <aarng> mhh ok
2021-05-07T18:32:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> unix moment
2021-05-07T18:34:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the guy that put scwm on his github:
2021-05-07T18:34:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> >Prior jobs: Vice President of Engineering & Products at Facebook; Sr. Director of Engineering at Google running first AdSense then Gmail and Apps
2021-05-07T18:34:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely pozzed
2021-05-07T18:35:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> he's one of the two guys who originally developed it
2021-05-07T18:35:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> program is fine because it isn't the result of corporate influence
2021-05-07T18:35:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't mean the programmer isn't pozzed himself
2021-05-07T18:50:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> the dropping of gtk2 did NOT make it into ff 88.0.1 :'(
2021-05-07T18:50:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> the work continues
2021-05-07T18:51:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> you will never be rid of gtk2, waylet
2021-05-07T18:51:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> chadtk2
2021-05-07T18:52:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-05-07T18:52:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been free of gtk2 for *checks notes* december 28th, 2019
2021-05-07T18:52:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow, for a whole day
2021-05-07T18:52:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> gj
2021-05-07T18:52:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> proud of you, son
2021-05-07T18:53:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/for/since/
2021-05-07T18:53:07 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> i've been free of gtk2 since *checks notes* december 28th, 2019
2021-05-07T18:53:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-05-07T18:53:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-05-07T18:53:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> so when are we gonna rewrite kiss in scheme
2021-05-07T18:54:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> when you decide to fork kiss and do that
2021-05-07T18:54:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> :)
2021-05-07T18:55:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-05-07T18:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> that requires effort though
2021-05-07T18:55:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> precisely
2021-05-07T18:56:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> my scheme has been foiled
2021-05-07T19:01:40 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi
2021-05-07T19:02:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> ih
2021-05-07T19:02:39 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I forgot I had birch open, yall been busy
2021-05-07T19:02:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> #kisslinux is full of productive, professional individuals
2021-05-07T19:02:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course we've been busy
2021-05-07T19:03:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-05-07T19:03:37 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I had a question for dilyn
2021-05-07T19:03:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-05-07T19:04:06 #kisslinux <mmatongo> are you going to be providing binaries for webkit2gtk
2021-05-07T19:04:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have little interest in providing binary packages for things in community
2021-05-07T19:04:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> at least right now
2021-05-07T19:04:44 #kisslinux <mmatongo> muh hart
2021-05-07T19:04:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd OFFER but apparently nobody trusts me
2021-05-07T19:04:54 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Why
2021-05-07T19:04:59 #kisslinux <mmatongo> are you sus
2021-05-07T19:05:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i blame acheam
2021-05-07T19:05:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> we've seen what you look like Mid
2021-05-07T19:05:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> v untrustworthy uwu
2021-05-07T19:05:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have you know that fluffies are the most trustworthy
2021-05-07T19:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off back to your accounting
2021-05-07T19:05:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:C
2021-05-07T19:05:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh damn I just built rust and absolutely forgot to update llvm first.
2021-05-07T19:05:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> REDO!
2021-05-07T19:05:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> >he has rust installed
2021-05-07T19:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I still think a UXP browser would be better
2021-05-07T19:06:21 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I can't stand rust and haskell
2021-05-07T19:06:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta update to llvm12 and rust 1.52 mid!
2021-05-07T19:06:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> v important
2021-05-07T19:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only reason I have llvm installed is because apparently mesa requires it
2021-05-07T19:07:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> blame amdgpu
2021-05-07T19:07:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking ayyemdee
2021-05-07T19:08:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> reject polaris10
2021-05-07T19:08:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> return to pilot g200
2021-05-07T19:08:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> should just switch to novideo
2021-05-07T19:08:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> even worse
2021-05-07T19:08:16 #kisslinux <mmatongo> imagine a world without llvm being a mesa depends (thanos voice) it would be a paradise
2021-05-07T19:08:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-07T19:08:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes i miss my intel graphics
2021-05-07T19:08:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then i remember, i use wyverkiss anyways
2021-05-07T19:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> intel graphics are honestly fine
2021-05-07T19:08:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> like unless you're playing at 9001FPS in 4k on ultra
2021-05-07T19:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> intel is fine
2021-05-07T19:09:20 #kisslinux <tink> my laptop won't even turn on anymore. now that i am without a phone and computer, i feel strangely free. want to pull a dylan
2021-05-07T19:09:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i stopped bothering with a phone a few days ago and I feel fucking fantastic
2021-05-07T19:12:17 #kisslinux <noocsharp> eyy
2021-05-07T19:12:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://nihaljere.xyz/IMG_20210507_140829.jpg
2021-05-07T19:12:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> pinephone is a meme, and so is librem
2021-05-07T19:12:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but at least pinephone doesn't try to charge you almost a grand
2021-05-07T19:12:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> how is the pinephone a meme?
2021-05-07T19:13:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> how am I supposed to use a computer without a keyboard
2021-05-07T19:13:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> unironically
2021-05-07T19:13:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the touch interface
2021-05-07T19:13:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-05-07T19:13:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-05-07T19:13:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I'm buying the pinephone it's because I want a pocket computer
2021-05-07T19:13:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> not because I want a quality phone
2021-05-07T19:14:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i don't view it as a full fledged computer, i view it as something i carry around with me that can make phone calls and doesn't send everything i do to apple or google
2021-05-07T19:14:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm lucky enough that my city still has payphones
2021-05-07T19:14:59 #kisslinux <tink> isn't that any ungoogled android? noocsharp
2021-05-07T19:15:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> although now that my lappy top has a modem I might start with VoIP
2021-05-07T19:15:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thats what i run currently, but it still has a massive software stack that i would like to get rid of
2021-05-07T19:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't android basically just linux with a JVM
2021-05-07T19:16:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no
2021-05-07T19:16:19 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its a whole system built on top of the jvm
2021-05-07T19:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, that's what I was getting at
2021-05-07T19:16:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> blech
2021-05-07T19:16:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's so gross
2021-05-07T19:16:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> indeed
2021-05-07T19:17:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> have you ever peaked at the buildsystem for it mid?
2021-05-07T19:17:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's incredible
2021-05-07T19:17:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn
2021-05-07T19:17:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-05-07T19:17:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> noocsharp: that's so exciting!
2021-05-07T19:17:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use a seven year old blackberry
2021-05-07T19:17:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you think I've ever used the android build system
2021-05-07T19:17:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> my biggest reason to not touch those or librem is just... the sheer buggyness of the interface
2021-05-07T19:17:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> for any reason ever
2021-05-07T19:17:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> lemme know how smooth it is
2021-05-07T19:17:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> run X and FVWM
2021-05-07T19:17:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid doesn't understand when I meme on him :(
2021-05-07T19:17:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thats why im spending the summer writing my own
2021-05-07T19:18:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> gaaaaaah
2021-05-07T19:18:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> I really need to learn C...
2021-05-07T19:18:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone is always doing such cool stuff
2021-05-07T19:18:26 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://nihaljere.xyz/words/summer_of_phone.html
2021-05-07T19:18:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i put it here so it'll be really embarrassing if i dont finish it
2021-05-07T19:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> this madlad is gonna make a suckmore phone interface
2021-05-07T19:19:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely wild
2021-05-07T19:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> just make sure your modem actually handles hayes commands
2021-05-07T19:19:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> not all of them do
2021-05-07T19:19:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> it does lmao
2021-05-07T19:20:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't seem to kick my modem into handling Hayes
2021-05-07T19:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> which sucks
2021-05-07T19:20:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> because that's all I need for texting
2021-05-07T19:20:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> that seems like a supremely tall order noocsharp :o
2021-05-07T19:21:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its ambitious, but i think its possible
2021-05-07T19:22:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably; swc is presumably very easy to hack on
2021-05-07T19:22:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's written in the suckless style. it should be
2021-05-07T19:23:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know mcf to do things poorly
2021-05-07T19:23:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-05-07T19:23:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> holy these dip switches are tiny
2021-05-07T19:23:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes well
2021-05-07T19:24:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're on a phone
2021-05-07T19:24:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> so consider the following
2021-05-07T19:29:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> why is the setup screen horizontal
2021-05-07T19:30:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> bad praxis
2021-05-07T19:30:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't ask questions
2021-05-07T19:30:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> i already hate it
2021-05-07T19:30:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> just consume loonix phone
2021-05-07T19:30:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> loonix open sores good
2021-05-07T19:31:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> androird propeitaree bad
2021-05-07T19:31:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i literally can't even get it set up because the keyboard covers the username and password boxes
2021-05-07T19:31:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> outstanding work
2021-05-07T19:31:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> it uses manjaro by default yes?
2021-05-07T19:31:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is why physical keyboards are non-optional
2021-05-07T19:31:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, it uses w/e they choose dilyn
2021-05-07T19:31:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> they do "runs"
2021-05-07T19:31:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> manjaro + plasma mobile
2021-05-07T19:31:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> sad :'(
2021-05-07T19:31:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ive never used plasma in my life
2021-05-07T19:31:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> so there's like, a manjaro edition, an ubuntu edition, a replicant edition
2021-05-07T19:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-05-07T19:31:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> plasma == comfy
2021-05-07T19:32:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the beta edition is just manjaro + plasma
2021-05-07T19:32:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> well i know that I'm asking about what this one is on mid
2021-05-07T19:32:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no ubuntu/replicant
2021-05-07T19:32:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> didn't they do like nine alpha runs or something
2021-05-07T19:32:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think so
2021-05-07T19:32:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, there's 100% an ubuntu edition
2021-05-07T19:32:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm positive
2021-05-07T19:33:02 #kisslinux <noocsharp> for alpha, not beta
2021-05-07T19:33:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> w/e basically the same thing
2021-05-07T19:33:17 #kisslinux <noocsharp> they're not selling it anymore
2021-05-07T19:33:24 #kisslinux <noocsharp> they only do the beta one now
2021-05-07T19:33:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's dumb
2021-05-07T19:33:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> dunno why they wouldn't just sell the back covers on their own
2021-05-07T19:34:01 #kisslinux <noocsharp> they do i think
2021-05-07T19:34:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, huh
2021-05-07T19:35:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just wish I could get a modem for my laptop that could place calls
2021-05-07T19:35:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-05-07T19:35:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more of a UMPC guy than a smartphone guy
2021-05-07T19:39:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> whats the cellular carrier compatibility like?  full voice/sms/mms/data?
2021-05-07T19:40:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=PinePhone_Carrier_Support
2021-05-07T19:40:36 #kisslinux <mmatongo> going off now, i have a date with the harry potter franchise
2021-05-07T19:42:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i need to acquire some microsd cards...
2021-05-07T19:50:32 #kisslinux <jedavies> nocsharp: they should be releasing a keyboard for the pinephone soon: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=13684
2021-05-07T19:52:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> though you should just be able to plug one in, no?
2021-05-07T19:52:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> holy shit, i forgot thats possible
2021-05-07T19:57:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so calls are made/received by manipulating the modem with AT commands?
2021-05-07T19:57:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> same with sms i guess
2021-05-07T19:57:31 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yep
2021-05-07T19:57:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> im in plasma mobile now
2021-05-07T19:58:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so you're gonna write a daemon to manage interfacing with the modem?  sorry i'm slow on the uptake
2021-05-07T19:58:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> snappy? sleek? or meh and laggy
2021-05-07T19:58:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> laggy af
2021-05-07T19:58:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> feels like im using a nexus one
2021-05-07T19:58:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-05-07T19:58:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> pixel 4a it is I guess
2021-05-07T19:59:10 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ominous_anonymou: thats the idea
2021-05-07T19:59:34 #kisslinux <jedavies> nocsharp: have found phosh to be the most stable UI so far. And that crashes at least once a day for me.
2021-05-07T20:00:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> good to know, maybe ill mess around with it
2021-05-07T20:00:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> this beta edition feels like it should be an alpha edition
2021-05-07T20:30:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> maybe i was being a little harsh, its not that laggy actually. it isn't responsive tho
2021-05-07T20:37:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean a nonresponsive or slow interface is just unacceptable
2021-05-07T20:37:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> we live in the future. strive for more dammit
2021-05-07T20:38:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeaaarrrrssss ago i used https://github.com/pyserial/pyserial to play with a modem, i only used short burst data functions on it though so it was limited to a mailbox check and the command sequencing for sending data (you had to prep the "outbox" which had space for one message of max length like... 1600bytes or so? and do some other stuff)
2021-05-07T20:47:45 #kisslinux <jedavies> noocsharp: tried the hdmi out?
2021-05-07T21:04:19 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i don't have the convergence edition, so no hub
2021-05-07T23:27:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> to pass parameters to a compiled-in module, do i pass them on the cmdline
2021-05-07T23:32:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> yes mate yes i do