[2023-02-20T02:51:38Z] <sewn> Hi
[2023-02-20T03:13:23Z] <midfavila-tab> i swear half the channel's activity has gotta be coming from various "hi"s :v
[2023-02-20T03:14:01Z] <sewn> Say hi back.
[2023-02-20T03:15:44Z] <midfavila-tab> nuh uh
[2023-02-20T03:17:24Z] <sewn> Smh.
[2023-02-20T03:18:20Z] <midfavila-tab> should make you sit on the stairs and think about what you've done
[2023-02-20T03:19:06Z] <sewn> Fr ong
[2023-02-20T03:19:19Z] <midfavila-tab> ugh
[2023-02-20T03:19:26Z] <midfavila-tab> fucking nuzoomers
[2023-02-20T04:04:31Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <sewn> "Hi" <- while True; do
[2023-02-20T04:04:31Z] <niceguy5000[m]>     echo "Hi"
[2023-02-20T04:04:31Z] <niceguy5000[m]> done
[2023-02-20T04:07:12Z] <Ellowee[m]> sleep 86400
[2023-02-20T04:08:50Z] <sewn> while sleep 86400; do echo Hi; done
[2023-02-20T04:10:21Z] <niceguy5000[m]> should I make to script to ping the server Hi every 69 seconds?
[2023-02-20T04:13:11Z] <sewn> not possible
[2023-02-20T04:14:17Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what about every time wael shows.
[2023-02-20T04:15:26Z] <sewn> Yes
[2023-02-20T04:50:59Z] <niceguy5000[m]> we can share this script and say hi to each like the future.
[2023-02-20T04:52:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> and can call it's the "ultra kiss hi robot 5000".
[2023-02-20T04:53:46Z] <sewn> Yes
[2023-02-20T04:53:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I can pull the chatgpt api they can talk to each other like in the future where humans don't talk to  each but robots do. /s
[2023-02-20T04:53:55Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I'm just joking with you.
[2023-02-20T04:54:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> sewn: should I use electron? or posix shell?
[2023-02-20T04:55:37Z] <sewn> Use rust
[2023-02-20T04:55:46Z] <sewn> Its blazing fast
[2023-02-20T04:55:50Z] <sewn> 🚀
[2023-02-20T04:55:51Z] <niceguy5000[m]> that's right it's the future.
[2023-02-20T04:55:56Z] <sewn> And memory safe
[2023-02-20T04:55:58Z] <sewn> 🚀
[2023-02-20T04:59:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> yeah. no more unsafe programming languages.
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[2023-02-20T05:01:38Z] <niceguy5000[m]> where do you get those cat pictures?
[2023-02-20T05:02:00Z] <sewn> r/
[2023-02-20T05:02:14Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <sewn> "And memory safe" <- "NSA recommends memory-safe programming languages such as C#, Go, Java, Ruby, Rust, and Swift. " They are right maybe.
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[2023-02-20T05:07:14Z] <niceguy5000[m]> this channel should be cats+kiss instead./s
[2023-02-20T05:07:45Z] <sewn> cat it simple, stupid
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[2023-02-20T05:35:19Z] <sewn> I'm out
[2023-02-20T06:32:12Z] <Ellowee[m]> <niceguy5000[m]> ""NSA recommends memory-safe..." <- NSA recommends flawed languages that they know backdoors to
[2023-02-20T06:33:18Z] <Ellowee[m]> Memory safety my ass
[2023-02-20T06:34:10Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what do you recommend?
[2023-02-20T06:34:20Z] <Ellowee[m]> You want memory safety, do not let them hold any standard against you
[2023-02-20T06:35:31Z] <Ellowee[m]> Recommend? Good old langs and faithful familiarity to them
[2023-02-20T06:35:53Z] <niceguy5000[m]> like C99?
[2023-02-20T06:36:17Z] <Ellowee[m]> Not quite but yeah
[2023-02-20T06:37:58Z] <Ellowee[m]> Linus doing rust for kernel only because of massively killing his passion project past an unbearable point
[2023-02-20T06:39:32Z] <Ellowee[m]> Unironically bsd becoming more and more of an escape to all this bs
[2023-02-20T06:42:53Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Yeah it is. I would love to use openbsd instead but I don't know how to remove blobs and their no kiss port for it that's working, I think.
[2023-02-20T06:43:07Z] <niceguy5000[m]> also I use namespaces a lot.
[2023-02-20T06:43:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> have namespaces everywhere.
[2023-02-20T06:43:53Z] <niceguy5000[m]> * I have namespaces
[2023-02-20T09:31:56Z] <ehawkvu> testuser[m]: gdb -> 13.1 - https://0x0.st/HsAZ.caGJHB
[2023-02-20T09:32:42Z] <testuser[m]123> hi
[2023-02-20T13:58:59Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2023-02-20T13:59:34Z] <sewn> hi sad_plan
[2023-02-20T13:59:41Z] <sad_plan> hi sewn 
[2023-02-20T14:33:34Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I made something that might be of interest to you; https://github.com/hovercats/rcinit
[2023-02-20T14:33:53Z] <sewn> oh wow rc
[2023-02-20T14:34:02Z] <sad_plan> yeah
[2023-02-20T14:34:15Z] <sewn> is the if not supposed to convey a  else if?
[2023-02-20T14:34:31Z] <sad_plan> else doesnt seem to exist in rc it seems
[2023-02-20T14:34:44Z] <sad_plan> I initially had if cmd else cmd, but it gave me an error
[2023-02-20T14:34:49Z] <sewn> wow lol
[2023-02-20T14:34:56Z] <sad_plan> according to the manpage, its if not
[2023-02-20T14:35:07Z] <sewn> yeah it does not
[2023-02-20T14:35:14Z] <sad_plan> which was abit strange at first, but sure. w/e works
[2023-02-20T14:35:32Z] <sewn> is test a bulitin of rc? i hope its not a seperate binary
[2023-02-20T14:36:10Z] <sad_plan> its not listed in the manpage on top, so I might assume no, but im not sure
[2023-02-20T14:36:43Z] <sad_plan> using brackets doesnt work though. so you cant do [ something ] like in shell
[2023-02-20T14:36:47Z] <sewn> its a shame it doesnt have stuff like [ this -eq that ] or turnary tests
[2023-02-20T14:36:53Z] <sad_plan> you actualle have to use test.
[2023-02-20T14:36:55Z] <sewn> does it even have arithmetic
[2023-02-20T14:37:12Z] <sad_plan> not sure
[2023-02-20T14:45:56Z] <sad_plan> test is not builtin afaik. not listed in the builtin commands section anyway
[2023-02-20T14:46:08Z] <sewn> What the shit
[2023-02-20T14:47:02Z] <sad_plan> what? does it need to you mean? rc is pretty miniamal you know :p
[2023-02-20T14:47:26Z] <sad_plan> the rc I use has measly 8k loc
[2023-02-20T14:47:31Z] <sewn> rc takes shell scripting to the exteme
[2023-02-20T14:48:01Z] <sad_plan> its made that way though
[2023-02-20T14:48:14Z] <sad_plan> if you ever looked into plan9 you know why its like that :p
[2023-02-20T14:48:25Z] <sewn> at least it has pattern and regex
[2023-02-20T14:49:21Z] <sad_plan> that would be rather detrimental if you ask me
[2023-02-20T16:08:48Z] <midfavila> rc has only the minimum number of features necessary for a command interpreter
[2023-02-20T16:08:56Z] <midfavila> this is to minimize the complexity of its design
[2023-02-20T16:09:24Z] <midfavila> if it included things like arithmetic or in-built subroutines by default, this would require a far more complex grammar and structure of the codebase
[2023-02-20T16:09:33Z] <midfavila> besides
[2023-02-20T16:09:46Z] <midfavila> the overhead of process spawning in unix is designed to be as cheap as possible
[2023-02-20T16:10:11Z] <sewn> so true
[2023-02-20T16:10:14Z] <midfavila> having to use a discrete test binary instead of a built-in operator (although ~ does exist, which is a generic matching test) is hardly something to bemoan
[2023-02-20T16:13:33Z] <sad_plan> right. did you check out what I sent you? :D by all means, critque it. im all for improving
[2023-02-20T16:13:55Z] <midfavila> no, and i won't
[2023-02-20T16:14:02Z] <midfavila> rc has no place embedding itself into a unix init system
[2023-02-20T16:14:16Z] <sewn> awh
[2023-02-20T16:14:42Z] <sad_plan> huh.. I was actually expecting another respons here, but sure. why is that?
[2023-02-20T16:14:53Z] <sad_plan> and if rc isnt, why is does sh? seeing as you use shinit
[2023-02-20T16:16:29Z] <sad_plan> that sentence was a bit strange..
[2023-02-20T16:16:39Z] <midfavila> my ideal for a system is a core built exclusively upon POSIX or SUS, with additional routines and services and etc built atop that base and nothing but that base. rc is in neither POSIX nor SUS
[2023-02-20T16:16:40Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2023-02-20T16:17:01Z] <midfavila> i also just see no compelling reason to use rc for an init system
[2023-02-20T16:18:57Z] <sad_plan> ok, so no rc for you then? I thought you used rc on the regular?
[2023-02-20T16:19:20Z] <midfavila> i do, as an interactive shell. but i don't like the particular implementation i use
[2023-02-20T16:19:41Z] <midfavila> once my understanding of interpreters and grammars and such is greater, i intend to write my own rc interpreter that satisfies my desires
[2023-02-20T16:19:51Z] <sad_plan> what about this one instead? https://github.com/benavento/rc
[2023-02-20T16:20:29Z] <sad_plan> doesnt require autotool for one. and you can get rid of readline dep with ease. if thats something one want anyway
[2023-02-20T16:20:34Z] <midfavila> what makes it different from the rakitzis port?
[2023-02-20T16:20:39Z] <midfavila> but i'll definitely look at it
[2023-02-20T16:21:37Z] <sad_plan> tbh, Im not really sure. I did use rakitzis build earlier, but I was abit annoyd by autotools. I found this through oasis
[2023-02-20T16:30:12Z] <midfavila> man, i have a sudden craving for pizza, but like... most places have gotten insanely expensive
[2023-02-20T16:30:28Z] <midfavila> thirty bucks for a regular pizza before tax or delivery 
[2023-02-20T16:37:26Z] <midfavila> yeah fuck it i'm going to subway
[2023-02-20T16:37:31Z] <midfavila> eat fresh:tm:
[2023-02-20T17:22:11Z] <sewn> just eat from dominos
[2023-02-20T17:44:15Z] <midfavila> dominoes is gay
[2023-02-20T17:44:18Z] <midfavila> their pizza is shit
[2023-02-20T17:54:11Z] <sewn> but
[2023-02-20T17:54:13Z] <sewn> their pizzer...
[2023-02-20T17:54:14Z] <sewn> is
[2023-02-20T17:54:16Z] <sewn> deliiciuos
[2023-02-20T17:54:35Z] <midfavila> nah, it's gross
[2023-02-20T17:54:43Z] <sewn> whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2023-02-20T17:54:44Z] <sewn> t
[2023-02-20T17:54:46Z] <midfavila> it's slimy, soggy and still overpriced
[2023-02-20T17:55:05Z] <midfavila> at least subway is cheap and... not completely horrible for you
[2023-02-20T17:55:29Z] <sewn> ive never tasted subway before
[2023-02-20T17:55:37Z] <sewn> dominiso is sos so crispy and cooked to perfection for me
[2023-02-20T17:56:00Z] <sewn> i love hteir chocolate lava cakes too
[2023-02-20T17:56:33Z] <midfavila> i don't really like sweet foods as much as i used to
[2023-02-20T17:56:54Z] <midfavila> subway is just a sandwich chain 
[2023-02-20T17:56:55Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2023-02-20T17:57:02Z] <sewn> noo my chocolate lava cake how could you
[2023-02-20T17:57:32Z] <midfavila> enjoy your diabetes in five years kiddo :^)
[2023-02-20T17:57:43Z] <midfavila> anyway one of those cakes here is 5$ plus tax
[2023-02-20T17:57:57Z] <sewn> i eat 2 once a month
[2023-02-20T17:57:57Z] <midfavila> that's like six bucks for something you can eat in like four to six bites, and it still tastes like shit
[2023-02-20T17:58:01Z] <sewn> or once every two months
[2023-02-20T17:58:07Z] <midfavila> 2l8
[2023-02-20T17:58:15Z] <midfavila> insulin resistance: maximum
[2023-02-20T17:58:19Z] <sewn> also they are like 5 dollars for 2 pieces
[2023-02-20T17:58:23Z] <midfavila> for *you* maybe
[2023-02-20T19:00:01Z] <midfavila> i love how in C:DDA a sling throwing pebbles has triple the range and deals 1.5x as much damage as a basic crossbow shooting bolts
[2023-02-20T19:00:37Z] <midfavila> 18m range and six blunt damage versus 6m range and four piercing 
[2023-02-20T20:53:55Z] <dotkwa[m]> mmmm dominos
[2023-02-20T21:09:15Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <midfavila> "enjoy your diabetes in five..." <- You should get 5 burgers from McDonald's. It's a much healthier option.
[2023-02-20T21:10:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Buy a cup of peanut oil and dip your fries in it. Delicious :).
[2023-02-20T21:11:38Z] <midfavila> https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/758631
[2023-02-20T22:10:55Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Guys, do you think I should use python as my init? I really love python cause it's super easy like scratch and I can't use rust in python it's memory safe and fast. /s.
[2023-02-20T22:11:07Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/'t//
[2023-02-20T22:44:25Z] <shokara> isn't pizza pizza like C$20 for a large pizza?
[2023-02-20T22:44:59Z] <niceguy5000[m]> pizza is 8 dollars here.
[2023-02-20T22:45:46Z] <midfavila> wtf is a pizza pizza
[2023-02-20T22:45:55Z] <shokara> a pizzeria?
[2023-02-20T22:46:01Z] <midfavila> i mean yeah no shit but like
[2023-02-20T22:46:07Z] <midfavila> i've never even heard of them :v
[2023-02-20T22:46:11Z] <shokara> oh
[2023-02-20T22:46:23Z] <shokara> well they seemed to be common in ontario
[2023-02-20T22:46:30Z] <midfavila> oh, mainly in ontario, that explains it-
[2023-02-20T22:46:30Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2023-02-20T22:46:34Z] <midfavila> i don't live in ontario
[2023-02-20T22:46:45Z] <shokara> right, I assumed it was common in other provinces too
[2023-02-20T22:47:22Z] <midfavila> nop
[2023-02-20T22:47:27Z] <midfavila> my province has fuck-all because it's a shithole
[2023-02-20T22:47:36Z] <shokara> ripperoni
[2023-02-20T22:47:36Z] <midfavila> with any luck i won't be living here for much longer
[2023-02-20T22:47:41Z] <midfavila> indeed
[2023-02-20T22:47:49Z] <midfavila> i'm hoping to move to alberta this year
[2023-02-20T22:48:00Z] <shokara> nice
[2023-02-20T22:48:22Z] <midfavila> and by "hoping" i mean "if I have to I'll throw basically everything I own out so I can afford to strap what I need to my back and catch a bus to my new city/town"
[2023-02-20T22:48:30Z] <midfavila> i've lived in new brunswick for like
[2023-02-20T22:48:32Z] <midfavila> almost ten years now
[2023-02-20T22:48:35Z] <shokara> I was planning on moving there too, but only a few years later
[2023-02-20T22:48:36Z] <midfavila> and it's the worst place i've ever been by far
[2023-02-20T22:48:42Z] <midfavila> any place in particular?
[2023-02-20T22:48:50Z] <midfavila> maybe we can get lunch some time uwu~
[2023-02-20T22:48:54Z] <shokara> suburbs near calgary or edmonton I guess
[2023-02-20T22:49:05Z] <midfavila> edmonton is a nice city
[2023-02-20T22:49:09Z] <shokara> I hate living in proper urban areas
[2023-02-20T22:49:13Z] <midfavila> i used to live in wainwright which is maybe an hour's driev
[2023-02-20T22:49:16Z] <midfavila> drive even
[2023-02-20T22:49:29Z] <midfavila> wainwright was really nice. i should visit some time
[2023-02-20T22:49:45Z] <midfavila> there's this one street i used to walk along almost every day when i was really young, i'd like to see if it's still there
[2023-02-20T22:49:50Z] <niceguy5000[m]> midfavila you're a c# developer?
[2023-02-20T22:49:56Z] <shokara> I hope it is
[2023-02-20T22:49:59Z] <midfavila> what? no
[2023-02-20T22:50:04Z] <shokara> "c#" "developer" lol
[2023-02-20T22:50:26Z] <midfavila> i know c, bourne shell, rc, and scheme
[2023-02-20T22:52:22Z] <midfavila> i'm thinking of calling the YMCA in the city i'm planning to move to to see if they have a hostel i can room in for a few months
[2023-02-20T22:52:33Z] <midfavila> idk if canadian ymcas ever did that but i know american ones have
[2023-02-20T22:54:08Z] <midfavila> the only thing i'm super concerned about is that the city i'm looking at has (relative to my city) fairly high rates of violent crime
[2023-02-20T22:54:34Z] <niceguy5000[m]> is it a rural area?
[2023-02-20T22:54:44Z] <midfavila> nah
[2023-02-20T22:55:32Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Does Canada have a lot of gangs like America?
[2023-02-20T22:56:06Z] <midfavila> not really
[2023-02-20T22:56:21Z] <midfavila> organized crime isn't really a thing here afaik
[2023-02-20T22:56:43Z] <shokara> apparently calgary has some gangs
[2023-02-20T22:56:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Can you stroke at night without getting shot.
[2023-02-20T22:57:04Z] <shokara> it's not america
[2023-02-20T22:57:54Z] <midfavila> short of being along at 3am in a big city's red light district you probably won't be hassled in most places i've been
[2023-02-20T22:57:54Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I wish I leaved in Canada then. :(
[2023-02-20T22:58:01Z] <midfavila> s/along/alone/
[2023-02-20T22:58:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/leaved/lived/
[2023-02-20T23:01:18Z] <niceguy5000[m]> canada can be my home country... :(
[2023-02-20T23:09:53Z] <midfavila> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/5th-person-confirmed-cured-hiv/story?id=97323361
[2023-02-20T23:09:55Z] <midfavila> big if true
[2023-02-20T23:12:01Z] <midfavila> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/20/us-threat-canada-super-pig-boar
[2023-02-20T23:22:42Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <midfavila> "https://www.theguardian.com/us-..." <- is this the reason why chicken is so high in the USA?
[2023-02-20T23:22:49Z] <midfavila> yes
[2023-02-20T23:22:57Z] <niceguy5000[m]> is eggs cheap in canada?
[2023-02-20T23:23:19Z] <midfavila> i've been sneaking pigs over the maine border as part of a special operations unit in an attempt to weaken the US for the day we annex it
[2023-02-20T23:23:26Z] <midfavila> and i mean idk eggs can be cheap depending on where you get them
[2023-02-20T23:23:33Z] <midfavila> i get my eggs primarily at the local farmer's market
[2023-02-20T23:23:38Z] <midfavila> 5 bucks for a dozen large eggs
[2023-02-20T23:23:45Z] <midfavila> but if you get them at a general store it's usually double that
[2023-02-20T23:23:56Z] <niceguy5000[m]> are you all organic person?
[2023-02-20T23:24:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> the USA FDA is killing us! we have so many chemicals!
[2023-02-20T23:24:44Z] <niceguy5000[m]> * are you an all organic
[2023-02-20T23:26:30Z] <midfavila> incidentally, yes, i suppose, but it's not something i freak out about considering "organic" in the food industry is largely a buzzword
[2023-02-20T23:26:38Z] <midfavila> most of my food comes from local farmers
[2023-02-20T23:26:39Z] <midfavila> so
[2023-02-20T23:26:40Z] * midfavila shrugs?
[2023-02-20T23:27:52Z] <niceguy5000[m]> midfavila: do you go to framer markets?
[2023-02-20T23:28:03Z] <midfavila> mhm
[2023-02-20T23:30:08Z] <niceguy5000[m]> You think theirs big business in the hydroponic farms? like growing tomatoes and selling them?
[2023-02-20T23:32:56Z] <midfavila> only for certain crops and/or regions
[2023-02-20T23:35:28Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you think catching salmon in alaska and shipping it out makes good money?
[2023-02-20T23:36:07Z] <midfavila> dunno, but i can say that the salmon from alaska sold at the local market seems to be popular