2020-12-05T01:47:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> what's a good reason for 'make' to complain about my source directory having spaces or colons in it, if by simple observation this doesn't seem to be the case
2020-12-05T02:38:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> something seems dangerously wrong with all the files in this folder, I think is what it is...
2020-12-05T02:38:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2020-12-05T02:38:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> #alwaysuseachrootkids
2020-12-05T03:33:50 #kisslinux <konimex> dylan's been MIA for a week now
2020-12-05T03:40:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> poeterring's secret police must have captured him
2020-12-05T03:40:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> :p
2020-12-05T03:52:43 #kisslinux <varbhat> konimex: he didn't reply to mail too
2020-12-05T03:53:04 #kisslinux <varbhat> maybe creating some software shutting down all internet services.
2020-12-05T04:00:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan's been pretty busy the last few weeks :S
2020-12-05T05:16:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: how so? did you speak to him?
2020-12-05T05:32:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> no just inferring
2020-12-05T05:32:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> every time he disappears like this he's got something big going on
2020-12-05T05:32:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> one time someone was poisoning his cats and a bunch of stuff
2020-12-05T05:32:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> he moved a few weeks ago...
2020-12-05T05:32:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's a busy man
2020-12-05T06:46:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-static
2020-12-05T06:46:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> *whistle*
2020-12-05T06:46:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> gngn
2020-12-05T06:49:17 #kisslinux <varbhat> wow
2020-12-05T11:34:00 #kisslinux <claudia02> o/
2020-12-05T11:35:12 #kisslinux <claudia02> konimex : rxvt-unicode fails to build with http://ix.io/2GI0
2020-12-05T11:45:01 #kisslinux <konimex> claudia02: unfortunately I can't reproduce it, but your perl somehow can't be executed there
2020-12-05T12:47:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> someone was poisoning Dylan's cats? oh mny
2020-12-05T14:36:41 #kisslinux <varbhat> i think that he might have taken leave for Christmas
2020-12-05T17:04:55 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I have a problem with alsa. I have alsa-utils installed and running alsa-utils gives `cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
2020-12-05T17:05:15 #kisslinux <jollyjester> s/running alsa-utils/running alsamixer
2020-12-05T17:06:01 #kisslinux <jollyjester> cat /proc/asound/cards also gives `--- no soundcards ---`
2020-12-05T17:06:39 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Might it be a driver issue? I have no type of firmware installed right now. How can I find missing drivers?
2020-12-05T17:15:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Are you in the audio group? I don't think you usually need special drivers for audio, what hardware?
2020-12-05T17:18:11 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Realtek, the rest, I don't know. Yes, I am in the audio group. testuser[m]
2020-12-05T17:20:06 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Could be something in your kernel config too
2020-12-05T17:20:26 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I just used the default config that came with the kernel
2020-12-05T17:20:36 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I don't think the kernel comes with sound disabled?
2020-12-05T17:20:48 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> `defconfig` should be fine
2020-12-05T17:21:11 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> anything in `dmesg` ?
2020-12-05T17:21:16 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Regarding your audio stuff
2020-12-05T17:21:37 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Anything in particular I should grep for?
2020-12-05T17:22:29 #kisslinux <jollyjester> ALSA device list:
2020-12-05T17:22:35 #kisslinux <jollyjester> No soundcards found.
2020-12-05T17:22:42 #kisslinux <jollyjester> hdaudio hdaudioC0D0: Unable to bind the codec
2020-12-05T17:22:47 #kisslinux <jollyjester> hdaudio hdaudioC1D2: Unable to bind the codec
2020-12-05T17:23:26 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I think I actually have Intel HD Audio lol
2020-12-05T17:23:40 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Well anyways, they shouldn't be too different
2020-12-05T17:23:44 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> grep something like "snd" in dmesg
2020-12-05T17:24:08 #kisslinux <jollyjester> snd_hda_intel 0000:00:03.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
2020-12-05T17:24:16 #kisslinux <jollyjester> snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
2020-12-05T17:24:20 #kisslinux <jollyjester> snd_hda_intel 0000:00:03.0: bound 0000:00:02.0 (ops 0xffffffff96e9b820)
2020-12-05T17:24:25 #kisslinux <jollyjester> testuser[m]: does that tell you anything?
2020-12-05T17:25:07 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Could you upload the whole thing to ix.io ?
2020-12-05T17:25:18 #kisslinux <jollyjester> ok
2020-12-05T17:26:56 #kisslinux <jollyjester> https://0x0.st/ihiD.json
2020-12-05T17:27:02 #kisslinux <jollyjester> testuser[m]:
2020-12-05T17:27:04 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> You might not have loaded the modules
2020-12-05T17:27:13 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Since defconfig probably builds sound stuff as modules
2020-12-05T17:27:22 #kisslinux <jollyjester> How do I enable the modules?
2020-12-05T17:27:36 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Is it covered in the install page of KISS? I did everything it told me to
2020-12-05T17:28:12 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Try `modprobe snd_hda_codec_generic`
2020-12-05T17:28:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> is the output of `lsmod` empty?
2020-12-05T17:28:33 #kisslinux <jollyjester> modprobe: module snd_hda_codec_generic not found in modules.dep
2020-12-05T17:28:45 #kisslinux <jollyjester> lsmod is empty, yes
2020-12-05T17:28:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> You can try loading the modules you find in `find /usr/lib/modules | grep snd`
2020-12-05T17:29:05 #kisslinux <jollyjester> that command returns nothing
2020-12-05T17:29:16 #kisslinux <jollyjester> so I'm guessing I don't have my modules installed? How do I install them
2020-12-05T17:29:27 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> did you `make modules_install` ?
2020-12-05T17:29:43 #kisslinux <jollyjester> make INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 modules_install
2020-12-05T17:29:45 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i did do that ^^^
2020-12-05T17:30:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Is your `/usr/lib/modules` empty?
2020-12-05T17:30:31 #kisslinux <jollyjester> testuser[m]: no
2020-12-05T17:30:43 #kisslinux <jollyjester> it has the 5.9.12 directory
2020-12-05T17:30:49 #kisslinux <jollyjester> and in there a bunch of directories
2020-12-05T17:31:13 #kisslinux <jollyjester> well 3 to be extact: build, kernel and source, the rest are files
2020-12-05T17:34:10 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Do you have your kernel config with you?
2020-12-05T17:35:00 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> upload that to ix.io, maybe the modules weren't enabled
2020-12-05T17:35:21 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i'll try building my kernel again then
2020-12-05T17:36:43 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> If you use the same defconfig then i don't think the results will change if you recompile
2020-12-05T17:38:51 #kisslinux <jollyjester> https://0x0.st/ih-s.txt
2020-12-05T17:38:59 #kisslinux <jollyjester> here's the defconfig
2020-12-05T17:39:04 #kisslinux <jollyjester> testuser[m]: take a look
2020-12-05T17:42:06 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> One sec
2020-12-05T17:43:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Config seems fine, you have the stuff built into the kernel
2020-12-05T17:44:08 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Well that's very weird then
2020-12-05T17:44:13 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I'll try building the kernel again
2020-12-05T17:44:37 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I am compiling the kernel with O3 I think since I have my CFLAGS as "O3 and pipe"
2020-12-05T17:44:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Nah the kernel doesn't use those cflags
2020-12-05T17:45:16 #kisslinux <jollyjester> ok alright
2020-12-05T17:45:37 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Man, hopefully we're getting wayland support on KISS soon
2020-12-05T17:45:43 #kisslinux <jollyjester> X11 took more time to compile than the kernel
2020-12-05T17:46:06 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> You can already get wayland
2020-12-05T17:46:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> https://github.com/Himmalerin/kiss-wayland
2020-12-05T17:46:37 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Nice
2020-12-05T17:47:52 #kisslinux <onodera> i never had a problem with x compile times tbh
2020-12-05T17:48:00 #kisslinux <onodera> rus and firefox on the other hand
2020-12-05T17:48:19 #kisslinux <jollyjester> It took me about 4 hours or so to compile on an i5 4th gen and 16 GB of ram
2020-12-05T17:48:28 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Though I don't think the compile is using all my ram
2020-12-05T17:48:35 #kisslinux <jollyjester> How do I make it use it to the fullest extent?
2020-12-05T17:50:24 #kisslinux <varbhat> does anyone know of minimal mesa which only builds for i915 and amdgpu ?
2020-12-05T17:50:44 #kisslinux <varbhat> mine built for nvidia too which i don't have at all
2020-12-05T17:51:12 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> jollyjester what took 4 hours ?
2020-12-05T17:51:20 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> which package*
2020-12-05T17:52:13 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> And compile will use as much ram as it needs, you can't really force it to use all of it. You can just set MAKEOPTS=-j$(nproc) to use all threads
2020-12-05T17:53:17 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Oh well...
2020-12-05T17:53:43 #kisslinux <jollyjester> testuser[m]: It took 4 hours to compile everything listed at the end of the KISS install page, so all the Xorg stuff
2020-12-05T17:53:53 #kisslinux <jollyjester> the server and all that other junk
2020-12-05T17:54:08 #kisslinux <varbhat> which shell do you use ?
2020-12-05T17:54:27 #kisslinux <jollyjester> varbhat: the default one
2020-12-05T17:54:31 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i think is dash? idk
2020-12-05T17:54:39 #kisslinux <jollyjester> maybe some busybox shell or something
2020-12-05T17:55:02 #kisslinux <varbhat> that's busybox ash
2020-12-05T17:55:16 #kisslinux <varbhat> i am currently using zsh thinking of ksh
2020-12-05T17:55:27 #kisslinux <jollyjester> isn't zsh very slow
2020-12-05T17:55:28 #kisslinux <varbhat> is anyone using ksh ?
2020-12-05T17:55:34 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i used mksh
2020-12-05T17:56:04 #kisslinux <varbhat> zsh is slow,but it came with syntax highlighting that i felt i needed once back then
2020-12-05T17:56:32 #kisslinux <varbhat> syntax highlighting+autocompletion
2020-12-05T17:56:36 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I'm just using ash, don't need any features tbh
2020-12-05T17:56:40 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Other than tab completion
2020-12-05T17:57:22 #kisslinux <varbhat> see, zsh shows you search results as you hyped incrementally
2020-12-05T17:57:33 #kisslinux <varbhat> i thought it was good thing to have.
2020-12-05T17:57:56 #kisslinux <varbhat> now i am thinking of mksh or portable ksh or ksh .
2020-12-05T17:59:12 #kisslinux <jollyjester> So why did everyone here switch to KISS? My reason was to test it and get to use a simpler system where I know how everything works and one where it's simple to make packages. My last distro was Void Linux, I thought it's package creation was good but too abstracted. I like how Arch does it.
2020-12-05T18:01:16 #kisslinux <varbhat> i tried to write frontend to iwd using dbus. came to know how shit it is.
2020-12-05T18:01:27 #kisslinux <varbhat> then,tried to ditch dbus completely
2020-12-05T18:01:45 #kisslinux <varbhat> and i liked kisslinux too. so,here i am
2020-12-05T18:02:05 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Thoughts on NixOS?
2020-12-05T18:02:11 #kisslinux <varbhat> last distro i used was void. i still like it over many other distros
2020-12-05T18:02:22 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Runit is pretty comfy
2020-12-05T18:02:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> i was trying to maintain my own lfs based thing, taking everything from another distro, but i wasn't able to figure some stuff out in the end and just left it for KISS
2020-12-05T18:03:06 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I hate how developers don't want to support LibreSSL and Musl
2020-12-05T18:03:09 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> And it would be nothing unique like KISS anyways, so
2020-12-05T18:03:11 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Keep writing non-standard code...
2020-12-05T18:03:13 #kisslinux <varbhat> idea of nixos, i.e, immutable core and applying state over it is good. but language of nix is pretty bad
2020-12-05T18:03:59 #kisslinux <varbhat> i don't like nix because it tries to create another abstract layer over already abstracted things
2020-12-05T18:04:03 #kisslinux <jollyjester> varbhat: yeah i prefer guile over nix but nixos has a way better community + better support + way more packages and doesn't restrict to free software only
2020-12-05T18:04:25 #kisslinux <jollyjester> gweentee
2020-12-05T18:04:37 #kisslinux <varbhat> jollyjester, i use runit in kiss too
2020-12-05T18:04:51 #kisslinux <jollyjester> isn't that the default init system?
2020-12-05T18:04:59 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Busybox init is the default
2020-12-05T18:05:02 #kisslinux <varbhat> busybox runit is default
2020-12-05T18:05:37 #kisslinux <varbhat> mine system boots in 4s. void took 10s. systemd took 20s
2020-12-05T18:05:52 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I really like KISS because you know literally everything about your system, where everything is, what it does etc
2020-12-05T18:06:00 #kisslinux <varbhat> dylan was right,initramfs wasn't needed
2020-12-05T18:06:02 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Mine boots in 2-3 if you exclude POST
2020-12-05T18:06:23 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I don't even remember what initramfs does...
2020-12-05T18:06:25 #kisslinux <jollyjester> ;-;
2020-12-05T18:06:52 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Also, can anyone share a firefox binary with me
2020-12-05T18:07:39 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I have one here https://github.com/git-bruh/kiss-bins
2020-12-05T18:07:59 #kisslinux <jollyjester> dank
2020-12-05T18:08:13 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Do note that it's provided by me, not by a trusted source like Dylan
2020-12-05T18:09:07 #kisslinux <varbhat> we need binary packages in future
2020-12-05T18:09:28 #kisslinux <varbhat> does anyone use flatpak here?
2020-12-05T18:09:56 #kisslinux <jollyjester> testuser[m]: how do i install that specific firefox?
2020-12-05T18:10:01 #kisslinux <jollyjester> it's not named firefox-bin so...
2020-12-05T18:10:26 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> You just clone the repo, `cd` to bin/firefox and do `kiss b`
2020-12-05T18:10:34 #kisslinux <jollyjester> oh ok
2020-12-05T18:10:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I've not added `-bin` to package names so that stuff that depends on that package won't break
2020-12-05T18:11:12 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Say i have a rust package, if i would've named it `rust-bin` then the depends file for everything that depends on rust would need to be modified
2020-12-05T18:11:52 #kisslinux <jollyjester> how'd you get a musl version of firefox anyways
2020-12-05T18:12:03 #kisslinux <jollyjester> did you build it yourself?
2020-12-05T18:12:07 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Yeah
2020-12-05T18:12:15 #kisslinux <jollyjester> wew
2020-12-05T18:12:19 #kisslinux <varbhat> how much time does it take to build?
2020-12-05T18:12:20 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Everything on that repo is built by me, as indicated in the readme
2020-12-05T18:12:27 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> firefox 20-30 mins
2020-12-05T18:12:31 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Yo I have an idea
2020-12-05T18:12:35 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Rust takes 1-2 hours
2020-12-05T18:12:35 #kisslinux <jollyjester> You guys know folding@home right?
2020-12-05T18:12:45 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Yeah
2020-12-05T18:12:46 #kisslinux <jollyjester> So what if we took folding@home but used it for building packages?
2020-12-05T18:12:54 #kisslinux <jollyjester> We'd build Firefox in 2 seconds
2020-12-05T18:12:57 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Huh
2020-12-05T18:12:58 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Hell yeah!!!
2020-12-05T18:13:05 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> You mean something like distcc
2020-12-05T18:13:09 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Yeah
2020-12-05T18:13:15 #kisslinux <varbhat> no,no. sometimes we need march=native
2020-12-05T18:13:26 #kisslinux <varbhat> sometimes we need -O3
2020-12-05T18:13:35 #kisslinux <varbhat> actually,binary repos has been planned
2020-12-05T18:13:44 #kisslinux <varbhat> for that,your idea looks cool
2020-12-05T18:13:54 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Well we could detect the systems people are using and use those machines specifically for optimizations and arches
2020-12-05T18:14:12 #kisslinux <varbhat> but,some anti-temper thing might be good
2020-12-05T18:14:33 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Yeah
2020-12-05T18:14:46 #kisslinux <jollyjester> A folding@home type of distributed compiling thing would be pretty kickass
2020-12-05T18:16:07 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Do you guys miss Gentoo? I don't. Fuck Python
2020-12-05T18:16:40 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> 1-2 minutes for dependency resolution did get pretty annoying
2020-12-05T18:17:21 #kisslinux <varbhat> can i use rustup instead of rust?
2020-12-05T18:17:40 #kisslinux <varbhat> do i need to modify other packages which depend on rust too ?
2020-12-05T18:20:02 #kisslinux <jollyjester> ok i recompiled my kernel and the modules, still no alsa
2020-12-05T18:20:08 #kisslinux <jollyjester> why the hell isn't this working???
2020-12-05T18:20:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> what audio codecs do you have enabled in the kernel?
2020-12-05T18:20:57 #kisslinux <jollyjester> do i need to install any other packages? i have alsa-utils installed... i know on void you had to ln -s /etc/sv/alsa to /var/service/ but i have no alsa in /etc/sv
2020-12-05T18:21:13 #kisslinux <jollyjester> dilyn: i'm using the default config
2020-12-05T18:21:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you don't have any
2020-12-05T18:21:56 #kisslinux <jollyjester> the default config doesn't include any?
2020-12-05T18:22:02 #kisslinux <jollyjester> that sucks
2020-12-05T18:22:08 #kisslinux * testuser[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WKKJtMIjDehbPdlTzYTRMnBX/message.txt >
2020-12-05T18:22:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> you need the codec for your soundcard. snd_hda_intel is just a blanket for like, ten different codecs
2020-12-05T18:22:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you can enable all of them (*) or make them modules and load them one by one until your card shows up
2020-12-05T18:22:34 #kisslinux <jollyjester> where can i get ubuntu's kernel or something like that
2020-12-05T18:22:45 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i really don't want to bother manually setting up the kernel right now
2020-12-05T18:22:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> or bootup arch and do lsmod to see which SND_HDA_CODEC_* is loaded
2020-12-05T18:23:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> ubuntu's kernel wouldn't work because it relies on initramfs so you'd have to change some things like building in ext4 and hard drive drivers
2020-12-05T18:23:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> (arch makes it very easy to grab their kernel tho and I would recommend that)
2020-12-05T18:23:47 #kisslinux <jollyjester> so grab arch's kernel?
2020-12-05T18:24:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure
2020-12-05T18:24:14 #kisslinux <jollyjester> that doesn't use initramfs or what?
2020-12-05T18:24:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> just make sure you go in and build in (*) support for whatever filesystem ROOTFS is using, and whatever drive that ROOTFS is on
2020-12-05T18:24:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> initramfs will just make sure your modules load
2020-12-05T18:25:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> without it, you'll get kernel panics from e.g. sync issues because it can't find ROOTFS, because it can't see ext4 or nvme drives or w/e the issue is
2020-12-05T18:25:27 #kisslinux <jollyjester> so even thought using initramfs with kiss is not advised, i should still do it?
2020-12-05T18:25:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> nnonono
2020-12-05T18:25:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> you don't *need* an initramfs to use any kernel
2020-12-05T18:26:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> you would only use it if you need modules to load during the boot process. but if you're running, say, an nvme drive with ext4 on ROOTFS, you can just build those two features into the kernel instead of as modules. then the kernel will be able to see them and exec init
2020-12-05T18:26:48 #kisslinux <jollyjester> ok
2020-12-05T18:27:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> one *good* reason for having modules load instead of building them in would be something like full disk encryption. if you want THAT, you probably need initramfs, and the prevailing suggestion rn is tinyramfs (dracut requires fts-obstack iirc and mkinitcpio is... nonworking afaik)
2020-12-05T18:28:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> but like i said at the beginning, if you already have a working kernel, you just need to buildin all the snd_hda_codecs that exist (there's <15) and your audio card will work from sheer brute force
2020-12-05T18:31:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> (they're in device drivers -> sound card support -> advanced linux sound architectures -> hd-audio)
2020-12-05T18:31:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> them view dmesg to see which is loaded and then you can disable the rest and rebuild the kernel if you want
2020-12-05T18:58:53 #kisslinux <jollyjester> there we go i'm building my own custom kernel right now
2020-12-05T18:59:03 #kisslinux <jollyjester> it wasn't that hard
2020-12-05T18:59:16 #kisslinux <jollyjester> they've really cleaned up the configuration
2020-12-05T18:59:54 #kisslinux <varbhat> how many options did you include in cryptographic section?
2020-12-05T19:02:00 #kisslinux <jollyjester> varbhat: i don't think i've even checked that section
2020-12-05T19:02:07 #kisslinux <jollyjester> should have i?
2020-12-05T19:03:04 #kisslinux <varbhat> idk, do you use eiwd or wpa_supplicant ?
2020-12-05T19:03:14 #kisslinux <jollyjester> my screen looks like one of those hollywoods hacker scenes with 3 windows compiling
2020-12-05T19:03:17 #kisslinux <jollyjester> varbhat: i'm on a PC
2020-12-05T19:03:22 #kisslinux <jollyjester> so ethernet
2020-12-05T19:03:26 #kisslinux <varbhat> ok
2020-12-05T19:03:40 #kisslinux <varbhat> if you face some problem,you will know for sure
2020-12-05T19:03:53 #kisslinux <jollyjester> haha yeah
2020-12-05T19:04:59 #kisslinux <jollyjester> 4 programs compiling + linux kernel
2020-12-05T19:05:04 #kisslinux <jollyjester> finally using up that RAM :D
2020-12-05T19:05:58 #kisslinux <varbhat> haha
2020-12-05T19:06:11 #kisslinux <varbhat> do you stay on lts or stable branch?
2020-12-05T19:07:00 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i am using whatever the latest kernel on kernel.org is
2020-12-05T19:07:10 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i don't really care as long as i don't have driver issues
2020-12-05T19:07:40 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Do you guys use a mechanical keyboard?
2020-12-05T19:08:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> to the extent that it uses a mechanism to activate, I suppose, yeah. I've got an old Model M
2020-12-05T19:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> you?
2020-12-05T19:09:12 #kisslinux <jollyjester> outemu blue switches, that's the only important aspect
2020-12-05T19:09:35 #kisslinux <varbhat> i am planning on getting ducky after 3/4 years
2020-12-05T19:09:48 #kisslinux <varbhat> i have learnt dvorak touch typing this year
2020-12-05T19:09:55 #kisslinux <jollyjester> duckys are good they can last maybe half a lifetime
2020-12-05T19:10:11 #kisslinux <jollyjester> after all they're PBT double-shot
2020-12-05T19:10:12 #kisslinux <jollyjester> keycaps
2020-12-05T19:10:27 #kisslinux <jollyjester> so they won't deteriorate over time compared to cheap ABS plastic (that i'm using right now)
2020-12-05T19:10:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> very based
2020-12-05T19:10:56 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i do dislike the gay rgb duckys have and that black theme
2020-12-05T19:11:10 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i would like a blue and white one or something related
2020-12-05T19:11:18 #kisslinux <jollyjester> black keyboards just look bad
2020-12-05T19:11:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm thinking of getting a 3D printer and trying my hand at making some, myself. There are some neat metallic and wood polymer based materials you can use
2020-12-05T19:11:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, I dunno. Black can be a good color if it's accented well
2020-12-05T19:11:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I do agree that black and RGB just... no
2020-12-05T19:11:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> or really anything and RGB
2020-12-05T19:12:09 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i saw a really cool stup
2020-12-05T19:12:11 #kisslinux <jollyjester> setup
2020-12-05T19:12:22 #kisslinux <jollyjester> so get this: 60% keyboard + mousepad instead of mouse placed right below the keyboard
2020-12-05T19:12:31 #kisslinux <jollyjester> thoughts?
2020-12-05T19:12:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1. No
2020-12-05T19:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> 2. Dear god no
2020-12-05T19:13:08 #kisslinux <jollyjester> but your hands don't move that much between the mouse and keyboard and the keyboard is smaller so more desk space
2020-12-05T19:13:17 #kisslinux <jollyjester> it's not like you use excel or something
2020-12-05T19:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use a keyboard tray, like a sane human being
2020-12-05T19:13:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-12-05T19:13:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I dunno. I can see the appeal of a 60% or whatever
2020-12-05T19:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm used to 120% keyboards
2020-12-05T19:13:49 #kisslinux <jollyjester> i have a keyboard tray but my keyboard is too chonky and my fingers always hit the wood on top
2020-12-05T19:14:38 #kisslinux <jollyjester> and if i pull it out i can't do anything on my desk since my monitor is very close to me
2020-12-05T19:14:51 #kisslinux <jollyjester> so i just have my keyboard on my desk
2020-12-05T19:14:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> I suppose that's fair.
2020-12-05T19:15:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> My desk is probably a fair bit larger than most people's, so I can afford to shift things around
2020-12-05T19:15:34 #kisslinux <jollyjester> imagine streaming music in 2020
2020-12-05T19:15:36 #kisslinux <jollyjester> FLAC gang rise up
2020-12-05T19:15:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> OGG tbh.
2020-12-05T19:16:11 #kisslinux <jollyjester> maybe if you listen to katy perry or some shit
2020-12-05T19:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> FLACs are alright if you have a cool audio system and high quality recordings
2020-12-05T19:16:26 #kisslinux <jollyjester> but i have obscure ambient lowercase obscure 90's limited edition albums
2020-12-05T19:16:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> the flac gang was fine until the vinyl nation attacked
2020-12-05T19:16:33 #kisslinux <jollyjester> so i want to archive them
2020-12-05T19:16:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow, you got me
2020-12-05T19:16:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> a legit reason to use FLAC
2020-12-05T19:17:25 #kisslinux <jollyjester> imagine if you're holding onto a obscure album and then it suddenly disappears from everywhere and you're one of the people who still has it
2020-12-05T19:17:30 #kisslinux <jollyjester> you'll become a savior in the music world
2020-12-05T19:17:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean
2020-12-05T19:17:36 #kisslinux <jollyjester> data hoarding ftw
2020-12-05T19:17:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> Maybe a savior to the fans of those who are into that album
2020-12-05T19:18:06 #kisslinux <jollyjester> "And you don't seem to understand..."
2020-12-05T19:18:49 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Do you guys use irssi or weechat
2020-12-05T19:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm a loser and generally use Pidgin
2020-12-05T19:19:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> On laptops though it's usually irssi
2020-12-05T19:19:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I can't really into running a GUI on portables.
2020-12-05T19:19:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> konversation
2020-12-05T19:19:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v :v :v
2020-12-05T19:20:26 #kisslinux <jollyjester> bbbbruh
2020-12-05T19:20:37 #kisslinux <jollyjester> >kde >on a """minimalist""" distro
2020-12-05T19:20:39 #kisslinux <jollyjester> how could you...
2020-12-05T19:20:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a minimalist kde /shrug/
2020-12-05T19:20:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> the kringe desktop environment just werks
2020-12-05T19:21:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't bully him
2020-12-05T19:21:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2020-12-05T19:21:09 #kisslinux <jollyjester> better than a fucking foot
2020-12-05T19:21:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> rn i'm using birch on wyverkiss
2020-12-05T19:21:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbh
2020-12-05T19:21:39 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Imagine KISS + SystemD + Gnome
2020-12-05T19:21:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> the GNOME devs need to take a long, long vacation in Siberia
2020-12-05T19:21:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and just like
2020-12-05T19:21:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> never come back
2020-12-05T19:21:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> pls
2020-12-05T19:21:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> still waiting for someone to bring gnome to KISS
2020-12-05T19:21:57 #kisslinux <jollyjester> The GNOME devs need to go to Brazil
2020-12-05T19:21:59 #kisslinux <jollyjester> ;)
2020-12-05T19:22:02 #kisslinux <varbhat> honestly, whatever possible in kde,is possible in fluxbox
2020-12-05T19:22:08 #kisslinux <varbhat> so,i use fluxbox
2020-12-05T19:22:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> fluxbox is based
2020-12-05T19:22:15 #kisslinux <jollyjester> honestly, whatever possible in kde, is possible in FVWM
2020-12-05T19:22:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah but the meme
2020-12-05T19:22:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> the one feature it has that FVWM doesn't is tabbed windows
2020-12-05T19:22:36 #kisslinux <jollyjester> really?
2020-12-05T19:22:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-12-05T19:22:42 #kisslinux <jollyjester> thonk
2020-12-05T19:22:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> FVWM used to have tabbed, but it was apparently buggy
2020-12-05T19:22:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and thomas yeet'd it after a while
2020-12-05T19:22:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with the GTK integration
2020-12-05T19:23:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> speaking of gtk
2020-12-05T19:23:17 #kisslinux <varbhat> i was using kde sometime before. whatever features i wanted in kde was present in fluxbox. i also had used tint2
2020-12-05T19:23:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> i need these firefox blocker bugs to get resolved so i can finally have a web browser again
2020-12-05T19:23:36 #kisslinux <varbhat> i am not fond of openbox because of XML configs
2020-12-05T19:23:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was never into Openbox
2020-12-05T19:23:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like... literally just fluxbox but shittier
2020-12-05T19:24:01 #kisslinux <jollyjester> well irssi seems to have crashed the input for whatever reason
2020-12-05T19:24:06 #kisslinux <jollyjester> anyways...
2020-12-05T19:24:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> blame perl
2020-12-05T19:24:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2020-12-05T19:24:16 #kisslinux <jollyjester> if you guys want floating just use 2bwm
2020-12-05T19:24:26 #kisslinux <jollyjester> it's made using XCB so even more POG
2020-12-05T19:24:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2020-12-05T19:24:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> FVWM is comfy
2020-12-05T19:24:44 #kisslinux <varbhat> does it has window titlebar  ?
2020-12-05T19:24:56 #kisslinux <varbhat> i need window titlebar for some windows
2020-12-05T19:25:00 #kisslinux <jollyjester> nah
2020-12-05T19:25:11 #kisslinux <jollyjester> titlebars are bloat
2020-12-05T19:25:39 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Void Linux GNU/Hurd when btw
2020-12-05T19:26:24 #kisslinux <jollyjester> When is Hurd gonna be popular anyways? 2024? Year of the Hurd desktop?
2020-12-05T19:26:31 #kisslinux <jollyjester> We'll wait and we'll see...
2020-12-05T19:26:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> when it finally releases a 1.0
2020-12-05T19:26:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> but after, what, 30 years of development, it barely boots
2020-12-05T19:26:49 #kisslinux <varbhat> ok, 2bwm is interesting
2020-12-05T19:27:09 #kisslinux <varbhat> titlebars are bloat,but sometimes it helps
2020-12-05T19:27:13 #kisslinux <jollyjester> It'll take such a long time, we'll have a buffer overflow and Hurd is gonna be created first before anything else at the next Big Bang
2020-12-05T19:27:15 #kisslinux <varbhat> especially to move windows
2020-12-05T19:28:01 #kisslinux <jollyjester> midfavila: >tfw SerenityOS, a operating system by one dude in only a few years works better than Hurd
2020-12-05T19:28:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, the problem with Hurd afaik is that they're trying to do too much
2020-12-05T19:28:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'works'
2020-12-05T19:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> not only is it a microkernel, but it's a distributed one at that
2020-12-05T19:28:37 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Year of the GenodeOS desktop???
2020-12-05T19:28:46 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Year of 9front desktop.... NOW!!!
2020-12-05T19:29:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> go back to /tech/
2020-12-05T19:30:13 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Being a Windows user should be a bannable offense
2020-12-05T19:30:32 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Banned...from life.
2020-12-05T19:31:15 #kisslinux <jollyjester> How many people use Windows? At least 1 billion right? We have problems of overpopulation anyways.
2020-12-05T19:37:53 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I don't get why people buy expensive hardware for gayming when they can use it for compiling instead
2020-12-05T19:37:57 #kisslinux <jollyjester> I think it's much more fun too
2020-12-05T19:38:16 #kisslinux <jollyjester> Most games don't use more than 4 cores/threads
2020-12-05T20:22:06 #kisslinux <jollyjester> ok i recompiled my kernel and alsa works
2020-12-05T20:22:11 #kisslinux <jollyjester> but firefox and cmus don't work though
2020-12-05T20:22:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> does something like mpv work?
2020-12-05T20:22:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> or just like aplay or w/e
2020-12-05T20:24:54 #kisslinux <jollyjester> mpv works
2020-12-05T20:25:02 #kisslinux <jollyjester> firefox doesn't
2020-12-05T20:25:17 #kisslinux <jollyjester> wait no i think i fixed it
2020-12-05T20:25:25 #kisslinux <jollyjester> yeah it was a conf file in /etc/
2020-12-05T20:25:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> gz
2020-12-05T20:25:36 #kisslinux <jollyjester> asound.conf
2020-12-05T20:26:45 #kisslinux <jollyjester> is there any way i can get alsa to play more than one source at a time?
2020-12-05T20:26:59 #kisslinux <jollyjester> using linux without pulseaudio is so frustrating
2020-12-05T20:27:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...yes,? but most people will tell you to use pulse
2020-12-05T20:27:06 #kisslinux <jollyjester> damn you pulseaudio
2020-12-05T20:27:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's some ultimate alsa guide someone put up on github that might cover it if you wanna check the logs; i posted it a while back
2020-12-05T20:27:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you think alsa is annoying to configure by hand, go try pulse by hand
2020-12-05T20:27:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a nightmare
2020-12-05T20:27:25 #kisslinux <jollyjester> dilyn: well i'm using KISS and KISS doesn't come with pulseaudio, not in the repos, it also takes forever to compile
2020-12-05T20:27:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> could you do it with pipewire?
2020-12-05T20:27:52 #kisslinux <jollyjester> well i don't know, i'm on xorg not wayland
2020-12-05T20:28:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> (idk anything about pipewire)
2020-12-05T20:28:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't pipewire just a load of junk that sits on top of pulse?
2020-12-05T20:29:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> iirc it's separate
2020-12-05T20:29:24 #kisslinux <jollyjester> yeah it's separate
2020-12-05T20:29:41 #kisslinux <jollyjester> also whoever sent me the firefox binary
2020-12-05T20:29:44 #kisslinux <jollyjester> holy hell it's slow
2020-12-05T20:29:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> per the arch wiki it can be a replacement
2020-12-05T20:34:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> doesn't look like it requires wayland... this is interesting
2020-12-05T21:52:48 #kisslinux <DuckyDev> Hi guys. Do any of you know what settings dylan used to generate the color scheme (top one) https://imgur.com/a/EqF3q#ZCQbQBM ?
2020-12-05T21:52:57 #kisslinux <DuckyDev> I have been trying to recreate it for hours now.....
2020-12-05T21:58:32 #kisslinux <kciN52> Soooo.... Trackpad won't fucking work, gentoo wiki on the topic sucks, no Idea where to find info or how to approach the problem, ready to sell my soul at this point.
2020-12-05T22:04:53 #kisslinux <aarng> DuckyDev, isn't that a GitHub'esque colorscheme?!
2020-12-05T22:06:54 #kisslinux <DuckyDev> aarng: I can't say that it isn't! But I havent been able to find it. I just saw it in this post https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/7uwv7e/openbox_pywal_now_supports_light_colorschemes/
2020-12-05T22:07:06 #kisslinux <DuckyDev> And I havent been able to reproduce it at all...
2020-12-05T22:07:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> So I somehow copied over a different passwd file and I can't login... Any resolution to this beyond a live USB to save my ass?
2020-12-05T22:08:14 #kisslinux <aarng> I think I've seen Dylan use a GitHub coloscheme and this looks just like it, just less saturation maybe
2020-12-05T22:12:08 #kisslinux <DuckyDev> aarng: It would be helpful if you remember where :D
2020-12-05T22:15:35 #kisslinux <aarng> can't, sorry
2020-12-05T22:17:11 #kisslinux <DuckyDev> Fair enough, that was also a long shot
2020-12-05T23:37:24 #kisslinux <micr0> dilynm you around?
2020-12-05T23:37:34 #kisslinux <micr0> im trying to run my first qt5 application and getting invalid geometry errors