2021-03-11T00:01:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> "3.2 million lines of code of emacs is lisp which is only 60% of all the code"
2021-03-11T00:01:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> 16% roff and 15% c
2021-03-11T00:02:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> christ almighty
2021-03-11T00:02:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> too much code
2021-03-11T00:02:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well not really. Compare that to linux tho
2021-03-11T00:03:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Emacs in as os
2021-03-11T00:03:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> isnt most of linux code in the kernel tho?
2021-03-11T00:04:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah kernel locs is what I mean
2021-03-11T00:04:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Besides you can replace all your programs with emacs so why bother
2021-03-11T00:07:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz its too much :P
2021-03-11T00:08:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> "DOH but you will have same keybindings in every program!"
2021-03-11T00:11:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> the thing with emacs is you kinda have to be in on all features or find a stripped back version
2021-03-11T00:11:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> so emacs is the only wm that supports both xorg and wayland
2021-03-11T00:12:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> how so?
2021-03-11T00:12:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> well, what features does emacs provide
2021-03-11T00:12:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> outside of its text editor?
2021-03-11T00:12:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> operating system
2021-03-11T00:13:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> window manager, browser, email client, file manager, git client, etc
2021-03-11T00:13:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> exactly
2021-03-11T00:13:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> you're basically installing an OS
2021-03-11T00:14:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, its got a small LOC for it all
2021-03-11T00:14:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> but, you're still installing *everything*
2021-03-11T00:14:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Where's the emacs kernel tho :c
2021-03-11T00:14:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Wanna change my .config
2021-03-11T00:15:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> support for printing. in EMACS
2021-03-11T00:28:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> This is the only thing I want to clarify that should've never existed. The ultimate virus
2021-03-11T00:34:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> why wouldn't you want NotepadOS to support printing
2021-03-11T03:56:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-11T04:02:27 #kisslinux <acheam> gooooooood morning testuser_[m]
2021-03-11T04:17:30 #kisslinux <acheam> this message sent from emacs
2021-03-11T04:17:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-11T04:17:41 #kisslinux <acheam> yessss
2021-03-11T04:17:57 #kisslinux <acheam> weechat in emacs, would've thought
2021-03-11T04:32:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Can someone tell me more editors like neatvi ?
2021-03-11T04:33:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> in what sense?
2021-03-11T04:33:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> vi clones or what?
2021-03-11T04:33:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah i meant vi clones
2021-03-11T04:33:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> there's vis, elvis, nvi
2021-03-11T04:35:34 #kisslinux <dgre> lol elvis
2021-03-11T04:41:03 #kisslinux <acheam> http://www.linfo.org/vi/clones.html
2021-03-11T04:41:53 #kisslinux <acheam> slightly outdated article
2021-03-11T04:42:18 #kisslinux <acheam> (2004)
2021-03-11T05:32:28 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> bbswitch? I can't find how to make the module
2021-03-11T05:34:02 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I get errors trying to make it :/
2021-03-11T05:42:38 #kisslinux <jslick> looks like it hasn't been updated in 7 years.  arch build has patches for it: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/tree/packages/bbswitch/trunk
2021-03-11T06:00:32 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> jslick: thank you kindly
2021-03-11T06:08:10 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> [54447.795071] bbswitch: disabling discrete graphics
2021-03-11T06:08:10 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> [54447.806895] pci 0000:01:00.0: refused to change power state from D0 to D3hot
2021-03-11T06:08:12 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> ree
2021-03-11T06:16:06 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> oh, feels colder now anyways, neat
2021-03-11T06:37:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> do you guys ever just feel like dropping computers entirely
2021-03-11T06:38:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> nope
2021-03-11T06:38:31 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-03-11T06:38:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> i have plenty of issues with computing
2021-03-11T06:38:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i enjoy my research
2021-03-11T06:38:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> and technology
2021-03-11T06:39:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk I've just been super blackpilled recently about the industry as a whole lately
2021-03-11T06:39:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like, it seems as if every major free software project exists either a) to serve some big corp or b) to serve as resume fodder. or both
2021-03-11T06:40:10 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Unavoidable until the entire chain of command aligns with... dropping IP...
2021-03-11T06:40:22 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> People rarely live well off charity
2021-03-11T06:40:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and the few groups who actually care about libre software are too busy bickering about the details of it to actually do anything large-scale
2021-03-11T06:40:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and yeah, you're not wrong, IP law is pretty screwed
2021-03-11T06:41:13 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-03-11T06:41:57 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Once we start getting things like completely libre hardware / software, we'll be getting somewhere
2021-03-11T06:41:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> everything's about working to consume and consuming to work. just pleasing your corporate overlords day in and day out. 's depressing shit to think about
2021-03-11T06:42:31 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> developing circuit printers would be a neat circunvention
2021-03-11T06:42:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hopefully RISC-V desktops will be a thing sooner rather than later. that or POWER9 will become affordable
2021-03-11T06:42:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> as much as I'd like to support Raptor, I can't afford to shell out the price of a small car for a computer
2021-03-11T06:43:16 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> the real cost of freedom
2021-03-11T06:43:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but even then, like...
2021-03-11T06:43:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> libre hardware and software is the ideal and all
2021-03-11T06:43:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but... what're you gonna do with it, at the end of the day?
2021-03-11T06:43:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> everything is still shit
2021-03-11T06:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not having to deal with the ME or PSP is great but it doesn't change that
2021-03-11T06:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> real r/im14andverysmart hours
2021-03-11T06:45:47 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Computing gains are usually minimal, so is perception, but it's there
2021-03-11T06:46:55 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> maybe someday we'll be able to fool ourselves without being 'carefully misplaced'
2021-03-11T06:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Maybe.
2021-03-11T06:49:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> http://0x0.st/-ZSk.jpg
2021-03-11T06:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this is an extremely "mood" image
2021-03-11T06:53:12 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> lovely tower caging
2021-03-11T08:18:45 #kisslinux <travankor> what about ARM?
2021-03-11T08:19:10 #kisslinux <travankor> as long as it works on mainline linux
2021-03-11T08:21:43 #kisslinux <travankor> every major free software project exists either a) to serve some big corp or b) to serve as resume fodder. or both -> this is why even though GNU is absolute b l o a t, I still respect them
2021-03-11T08:45:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> i feel like dropping computers all the time for months at least midfavila1
2021-03-11T08:46:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> everything is truly pile of trash and the fact that I still hadn't really dropped it makes the matter worse forme
2021-03-11T08:52:38 #kisslinux <travankor> that's what dylan probably did
2021-03-11T08:53:08 #kisslinux <travankor> realized that KISS doesn't really fix all the rest of the trash and decided to go full ascetic
2021-03-11T08:53:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> hope you're right. that would be really great
2021-03-11T08:54:12 #kisslinux <travankor> hope is all I have
2021-03-11T11:12:47 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: Weechat in Emacs? Excuse me?
2021-03-11T11:16:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Alright, I found it on Github. Why though? Emacs has built-in IRC client, why use a wrapper to use an IRC client outside of Emacs? I am genuinely curious.
2021-03-11T11:20:48 #kisslinux <gtms> kj:q
2021-03-11T11:20:57 #kisslinux <gtms> ehm...
2021-03-11T11:27:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <ncopa> [10:18:21] python 3.9 is giving me a hard time
2021-03-11T11:28:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> alpine guys work since weeks to switch to latest python3
2021-03-11T11:28:43 #kisslinux * sh4rm4^bnc pats his py2
2021-03-11T11:36:09 #kisslinux <travankor> just disable tests :p
2021-03-11T11:38:38 #kisslinux <travankor> merakor: emacs keybindings?
2021-03-11T11:39:10 #kisslinux <travankor> also emacs has meme-tier ssl support
2021-03-11T11:41:53 #kisslinux <travankor> damn this channel is deadish without midfavila1
2021-03-11T11:44:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lots of people lurking
2021-03-11T11:46:06 #kisslinux <konimex> <travankor "every major free software projec"> aren't a lot of GNU contributors (incl. gcc, glibc, etc.) Red Hat employees?
2021-03-11T11:47:55 #kisslinux <travankor> konimex: that's partially true
2021-03-11T11:48:48 #kisslinux <travankor> so far, those maintainers haven't tried to pull anything controversial afaik
2021-03-11T11:49:50 #kisslinux <travankor> Emacs has had some controversial stuff recently but everthing dumb has been vetoed so far
2021-03-11T11:50:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I suppose there's no responce to emacs anymore because at this point I just have nothing to say lol
2021-03-11T11:51:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=HzFqZ0Gl0aw
2021-03-11T11:52:54 #kisslinux <konimex> the "controversial stuff" is outside GNU ecosystem (e.g. systemd), but it effectively causes GNU lock-in (as without patches maintained by Yocto Project iirc, musl-based system can't build systemd)
2021-03-11T11:55:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'd say everything is controversial if you look close enough
2021-03-11T11:58:23 #kisslinux <travankor> nice, i see something new in every emacs video
2021-03-11T11:58:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> the only thing I still yet to see is spacemacs
2021-03-11T11:59:18 #kisslinux <travankor> spacemacs is like oh my zsh
2021-03-11T12:00:06 #kisslinux <travankor> large and difficult to maintain framework, with some package conflicting, and difficult to debug
2021-03-11T12:02:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> another video. this guy is using doom emacs even on his phone
2021-03-11T12:15:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> videos about emacs is so cringe and bizzare. using vim to copy emacs config because you don't know stock functionality as spacemacs/doom user lol
2021-03-11T12:19:11 #kisslinux <travankor> xp
2021-03-11T12:19:37 #kisslinux <travankor> doom uses evil by default
2021-03-11T12:19:51 #kisslinux <travankor> so vim-keybindings
2021-03-11T12:21:35 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor: it acts as a client to weechat's relay mode
2021-03-11T12:21:46 #kisslinux <acheam> its the same way that the android app and stuff work
2021-03-11T12:21:58 #kisslinux <acheam> (and how I'm sending this message)
2021-03-11T12:22:57 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah nxghtmvrx, im really not a fan of frameworks for that reason
2021-03-11T12:23:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm just building my own config from scratch
2021-03-11T12:23:16 #kisslinux <acheam> which is a lot more work but worth it imo
2021-03-11T12:25:50 #kisslinux * travankor wishes programs just had sane defaults
2021-03-11T12:27:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> "emacs runit service"
2021-03-11T12:27:48 #kisslinux <merakor> konimex: I always assumed non-GNU people usually dislike stuff like systemd, and that's why nobody resolves those GNU lock-ins.
2021-03-11T12:28:41 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: Yeah that makes sense
2021-03-11T12:28:45 #kisslinux <konimex> merakor: personally I really don't mind systemd strictly as a service manager, I don't like the stuff they add into it though
2021-03-11T12:29:14 #kisslinux <konimex> such as homed and networkd among other things
2021-03-11T12:30:13 #kisslinux <travankor> systemd isn't related to GNU
2021-03-11T12:30:32 #kisslinux <travankor> nor do i like glibc stuff like LD_PRELOAD
2021-03-11T12:31:23 #kisslinux <merakor> travankor: Yeah, that's not what I meant. It just uses lots of glibcisms.
2021-03-11T12:32:24 #kisslinux <travankor> I think that's a good thing tbg
2021-03-11T12:32:28 #kisslinux <merakor> konimex: That's true I suppose. You shouldn't be proactively thinking about a service manager anyway.
2021-03-11T12:32:34 #kisslinux <travankor> s/tbg/tbh
2021-03-11T12:32:35 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> I think that's a good thing tbh
2021-03-11T12:32:59 #kisslinux <travankor> systemd even if it was portable would be bad
2021-03-11T12:34:17 #kisslinux <travankor> runit, s6, or perp are pretty much all you need for process supervision
2021-03-11T12:34:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, that was my point. Most people don't even try to port it, because people who care about simplicity enough to use something like musl libc probably don't want to have systemd on their system.
2021-03-11T12:35:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Plus, Poettering is actively against portability for some reason
2021-03-11T12:35:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> cringe
2021-03-11T12:36:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> probably thinks gnu is the standard
2021-03-11T12:36:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> TM
2021-03-11T12:36:46 #kisslinux <merakor> He is the guy that thinks Linux should be Windowsy
2021-03-11T12:36:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I guess its because he wants linux to be like windows as he wanted from the start
2021-03-11T12:36:49 #kisslinux <merakor> What do you expect
2021-03-11T12:36:50 #kisslinux <travankor> RHEL is the standard
2021-03-11T12:36:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you put it that way it makes sense
2021-03-11T12:37:58 #kisslinux <merakor> He always talks shit about the Linux environment, I don't even understand why he doesn't use Windows at this point.
2021-03-11T12:38:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's why suckless turned hostile on him
2021-03-11T12:38:45 #kisslinux <merakor> At least, the Linux environment is great enough that I don't have to care about his opinions, nor his software
2021-03-11T12:39:14 #kisslinux <travankor> POSIX is better :p
2021-03-11T12:39:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://invidious.zee.li/watch?v=h7bKctz6LMU
2021-03-11T12:40:17 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Poettering's pulseaudio thingy seems to be in a speedy demise, with pipewire instead taking it's place.
2021-03-11T12:41:47 #kisslinux <konimex> to be fair I think out of all poetteringware, pulseaudio is decent enough (at least for my use case)
2021-03-11T12:42:49 #kisslinux <acheam> pulseaudio is fine in theory but it shouldn't be a dependency for so many things as it is now
2021-03-11T12:42:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well sadly alsa by itself isnt really possible to use due to lacks of docs because of an age and etc. So you can't really configure alsa as much as PA
2021-03-11T12:43:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Alsa is really fine by itself if you have simple needs
2021-03-11T12:44:16 #kisslinux <merakor> But it cannot handle the second thing you throw at it
2021-03-11T12:44:41 #kisslinux <merakor> So, pulseaudio has a really valid use-case, but it isn't a must
2021-03-11T12:45:26 #kisslinux <acheam> for 90% of people, something simpler like sndio will work through
2021-03-11T12:45:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> real KISS users don't need audio
2021-03-11T12:45:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> psh
2021-03-11T12:45:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> i like my music thanks
2021-03-11T12:46:01 #kisslinux <merakor> Just hum the song
2021-03-11T12:46:08 #kisslinux <merakor> That isn't simple enough?
2021-03-11T12:46:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> cringe
2021-03-11T12:46:14 #kisslinux <acheam> a sound server has its place, but that sound server doesn't necesarily have to be pa
2021-03-11T12:47:02 #kisslinux <merakor> Idk I think pulse is okay
2021-03-11T12:47:12 #kisslinux <konimex> hear hear
2021-03-11T12:49:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> One the purism guys working on the sound in their librem5 mobile said something along the lines of "not getting pulseaudio to do what he wants".
2021-03-11T12:49:56 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Though, that's probably a particular use case.
2021-03-11T13:40:56 #kisslinux <aarng> merakor: saw your old nvi package and was wondering if you are using nvi at all
2021-03-11T15:04:16 #kisslinux <merakor> aarng: Yes, I am using nvi, but just as an alternative editor outside of Emacs
2021-03-11T15:05:35 #kisslinux <merakor> I use nvi for the small, quick editing.
2021-03-11T15:05:52 #kisslinux <aarng> does yours segfault when you press escape from input mode in the history editor?
2021-03-11T15:06:26 #kisslinux <aarng> trying to figure out why it's not segfaulting on my rpi using alpine
2021-03-11T15:06:53 #kisslinux <merakor> I never used the history editor, let me try it out.
2021-03-11T15:07:01 #kisslinux <aarng> set filec=^[ <-- Ctrl-v Ctr-[
2021-03-11T15:07:16 #kisslinux <aarng> s/filec/cedit/
2021-03-11T15:07:17 #kisslinux <kissbot> <aarng> set cedit=^[ <-- Ctrl-v Ctr-[
2021-03-11T15:09:17 #kisslinux <merakor> No, it doesn't segfault on my build.
2021-03-11T15:09:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> check cflags maybe
2021-03-11T15:10:24 #kisslinux <aarng> I tried with just march=native
2021-03-11T15:10:27 #kisslinux <aarng> same thing
2021-03-11T15:10:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Mine is static x86_64
2021-03-11T15:10:58 #kisslinux <aarng> merakor, so you press :, then escape which opens a split window. If you then go into input mode and press escape, it does not segfault?
2021-03-11T15:10:59 #kisslinux <merakor> I can straight up send it to you if you want to try my build
2021-03-11T15:11:15 #kisslinux <merakor> aarng: Yup
2021-03-11T15:11:23 #kisslinux <aarng> I'm using your build
2021-03-11T15:11:25 #kisslinux <aarng> weird
2021-03-11T15:11:32 #kisslinux <aarng> do you have --enable-widechar ?
2021-03-11T15:11:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-03-11T15:11:46 #kisslinux <aarng> yes pls, just send me the binary
2021-03-11T15:12:54 #kisslinux <merakor> aarng: https://ckyln.com/files/vi
2021-03-11T15:13:13 #kisslinux <aarng> cheers!
2021-03-11T15:13:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Hope it works!
2021-03-11T15:13:46 #kisslinux <aarng> it does not :/
2021-03-11T15:13:58 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh, that's strange
2021-03-11T15:14:00 #kisslinux <aarng> I mean it segfaults too
2021-03-11T15:14:11 #kisslinux <merakor> What terminal do you use?
2021-03-11T15:14:29 #kisslinux <aarng> st
2021-03-11T15:14:40 #kisslinux <aarng> inside tmux though
2021-03-11T15:14:41 #kisslinux <aarng> hold on
2021-03-11T15:14:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> that's most likely the problem
2021-03-11T15:14:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> try changing term
2021-03-11T15:15:03 #kisslinux <merakor> I am using st as well, though
2021-03-11T15:15:21 #kisslinux <merakor> So it's probably not related
2021-03-11T15:15:25 #kisslinux <merakor> Not sure about tmux
2021-03-11T15:16:10 #kisslinux <aarng> segfaults no matter what I do
2021-03-11T15:16:19 #kisslinux <aarng> with or without tmux and using TERM=xterm
2021-03-11T15:16:42 #kisslinux <aarng> I used to simply disable the widechar configure option but that kinda sucks too
2021-03-11T15:17:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh wait, yeah mine segfaults too
2021-03-11T15:17:24 #kisslinux <aarng> aha!
2021-03-11T15:17:26 #kisslinux <merakor> I misunderstood the steps
2021-03-11T15:17:36 #kisslinux <aarng> hehe, no problem
2021-03-11T15:17:39 #kisslinux <merakor> I just pressed : and escape instead of :, escape
2021-03-11T15:19:20 #kisslinux <aarng> I could have explained a little better I guess
2021-03-11T15:20:00 #kisslinux <aarng> I checked alpines build file and they don't do anything different
2021-03-11T15:20:11 #kisslinux <merakor> That's alright, I never used the history editor in my life so I was kind of confused :D
2021-03-11T15:20:12 #kisslinux <aarng> except not statically linking db I guess
2021-03-11T15:20:16 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe linking statically
2021-03-11T15:20:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-03-11T15:20:51 #kisslinux <merakor> I'll try not doing that.
2021-03-11T15:21:15 #kisslinux <aarng> that'd be awesome
2021-03-11T15:21:28 #kisslinux <aarng> I suck at building software
2021-03-11T15:21:57 #kisslinux <aarng> https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/blob/57f848d37b3a369c3cf8a8b89ce0e34cf7eb9389/testing/nvi/APKBUILD
2021-03-11T15:22:30 #kisslinux <aarng> that's the alpine package. Sucks that I can't test it on x86-64
2021-03-11T15:22:57 #kisslinux <aarng> biab
2021-03-11T15:23:25 #kisslinux <konimex> that's a lot of patches
2021-03-11T15:23:42 #kisslinux <merakor> Nope, it still segfaults
2021-03-11T15:25:57 #kisslinux <merakor> konimex: Yeah, ancient software
2021-03-11T15:30:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> gimme a sec. ill try on void
2021-03-11T15:31:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> spammed lots of times and no crash. but maybe Im doing something wrong
2021-03-11T15:35:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> there are multiple patches in void-packages
2021-03-11T15:38:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> maybe fallback to dumb term will do https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/tree/df7ebc36a9ffb208a0d60da58a98a2c4936b1735/srcpkgs/nvi/patches
2021-03-11T15:39:27 #kisslinux <merakor> All the patches should also be on my package
2021-03-11T15:40:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> though none of those specified in void build file
2021-03-11T15:41:36 #kisslinux <merakor> Void build system doesn't do that in general
2021-03-11T15:41:57 #kisslinux <merakor> It just uses available patches
2021-03-11T15:43:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> never read the docs on that but there are templates with specified patches so not sure
2021-03-11T15:47:38 #kisslinux <aarng> nxghtmvrx: https://termbin.com/a074
2021-03-11T15:47:48 #kisslinux <aarng> detailed repro instructions
2021-03-11T15:50:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> no crash lol
2021-03-11T15:50:37 #kisslinux <aarng> interesting
2021-03-11T15:51:29 #kisslinux <aarng> void uses --enable-widechar too
2021-03-11T15:55:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> more interestingly using shared binary no crash too
2021-03-11T15:55:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> dilyn my dear friend
2021-03-11T15:55:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> you ever tested the shinit?
2021-03-11T15:55:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ah yes now crashed on your binary. but still not on void build
2021-03-11T15:58:36 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I'm out of ideas :/
2021-03-11T15:58:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> i can share my binary if needed
2021-03-11T15:59:58 #kisslinux <merakor> hellboy2d: Is there a problem with shinit?
2021-03-11T16:00:03 #kisslinux <aarng> I can also steal it from void directly I guess
2021-03-11T16:00:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> man i used kiss a but when i do restart the tty login not appears
2021-03-11T16:00:26 #kisslinux <aarng> but I also want to (re)package nvi for kiss and it sucks when it has bugs like that
2021-03-11T16:00:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I have to make a script for it?
2021-03-11T16:01:51 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, you should create a hook script
2021-03-11T16:02:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> well your only hope is to copy void build by hand with all the patches
2021-03-11T16:02:43 #kisslinux <merakor> shinit only runs the init script of KISS, which in turns runs hooks from /etc/rc.d (correct me if I am wrong)
2021-03-11T16:03:03 #kisslinux <aarng> nxghtmvrx: I will try that later but I don't think they do anything different
2021-03-11T16:03:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> dependency is the same too?
2021-03-11T16:04:38 #kisslinux <aarng> need to compare ncurses'
2021-03-11T16:05:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> okay thanks
2021-03-11T16:06:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> you have some link about it? i never used to do it
2021-03-11T16:08:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Unfortunately KISS' init scripts aren't well documented. This is the only doc-like thing I could find. https://github.com/kisslinux/init/raw/master/etc/rc.conf
2021-03-11T16:08:28 #kisslinux <merakor> It is /etc/rc.conf on your system
2021-03-11T16:09:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Basically you add a script named /etc/rc.d/tty.boot
2021-03-11T16:09:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Which will be run by the init scripts
2021-03-11T16:18:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://k1sslinux.org/wiki/init/busybox gives an example
2021-03-11T16:22:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> thanks guys i will read
2021-03-11T16:25:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if your'e still using the default init then /etc/inittab should have some lines similar to "tty1::respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1"
2021-03-11T16:41:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> any experiences with epoch init?
2021-03-11T16:42:23 #kisslinux <merakor> Isn't epoch basically systemd-lite?
2021-03-11T16:45:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> its not exactly minimal >10k loc. just interested in specifics in case it does something differently and its possible quirks
2021-03-11T16:52:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> so I guess there only five inits that make any sense: s6, runit, kiss init, sinit, hummingbird
2021-03-11T17:30:24 #kisslinux <dgre> five senses five inits
2021-03-11T17:32:44 #kisslinux <aws> Hello
2021-03-11T17:33:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-11T17:33:04 #kisslinux <aws> any news on Dylan ?
2021-03-11T17:33:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-03-11T17:33:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-03-11T17:38:47 #kisslinux <aws> ;-;
2021-03-11T18:02:00 #kisslinux <acheam> aws: we do have a new BDFL though, and the project is proceeding just fine
2021-03-11T18:05:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d>  anyone uses ubase?
2021-03-11T18:05:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hellboy2d: midfavila1 uses sbase, not sure about ubase
2021-03-11T18:19:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> what's the point if asmutils exists
2021-03-11T18:23:41 #kisslinux <merakor> nxghtmvrx: kiss init is not an init, it is an init _script_ that is run by the actual init
2021-03-11T18:24:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> sbase is a easy implemantion in kiss?
2021-03-11T18:24:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> it should mostly work
2021-03-11T18:24:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i loved the kiss a
2021-03-11T18:24:51 #kisslinux <merakor> I use sbase
2021-03-11T18:24:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss b sbase && kiss i sbase && kiss a | rep ^sbase | kiss a -
2021-03-11T18:25:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/rep/grep/
2021-03-11T18:25:03 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> kiss b sbase && kiss i sbase && kiss a | grep ^sbase | kiss a -
2021-03-11T18:25:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> this is better than the busybox?
2021-03-11T18:25:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> in question of size
2021-03-11T18:25:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> speec
2021-03-11T18:25:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> speed*
2021-03-11T18:25:53 #kisslinux <merakor> Size: yes, speed: no
2021-03-11T18:25:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> speed isn't a goal, hellboy2d
2021-03-11T18:25:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> simplicity is.
2021-03-11T18:26:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> good
2021-03-11T18:26:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> busybox does do some work on speed though afaik
2021-03-11T18:26:49 #kisslinux <merakor> I use sed and grep from busybox
2021-03-11T18:27:12 #kisslinux <merakor> I removed sbase tar completely from the packaging on Carbs
2021-03-11T18:27:16 #kisslinux <merakor> It's just a no-go
2021-03-11T18:27:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Even Michael says so
2021-03-11T18:27:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> oh carbs
2021-03-11T18:27:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> libarchive is the way
2021-03-11T18:27:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I read  about
2021-03-11T18:27:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> is it in work?
2021-03-11T18:27:51 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: pax is the way :P
2021-03-11T18:28:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> :sick:
2021-03-11T18:28:05 #kisslinux <merakor> hellboy2d: It has been for two years
2021-03-11T18:28:13 #kisslinux <merakor> pax is actually faster than libarchive
2021-03-11T18:28:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh
2021-03-11T18:28:31 #kisslinux <merakor> cpt prefers pax if it exists
2021-03-11T18:28:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> carbs actually works?
2021-03-11T18:28:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i thinking in test
2021-03-11T18:29:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Why wouldn't it? :D
2021-03-11T18:29:22 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-11T18:29:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but o read and found no much differences compared to kiss
2021-03-11T18:30:01 #kisslinux <acheam> hellboy2d: you've only been here 2 days and you're already in our fortune file twice
2021-03-11T18:30:16 #kisslinux <merakor> The package manager is different, and the base packages are somewhat different
2021-03-11T18:30:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-11T18:30:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> lol
2021-03-11T18:31:07 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> merakor yeah i view that carbs use bearssl
2021-03-11T18:31:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Gotta go for now, I can answer if you have any more questions later
2021-03-11T18:31:27 #kisslinux <merakor> hellboy2d: yep
2021-03-11T18:31:34 #kisslinux <merakor> bye everyone
2021-03-11T18:31:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> bye man
2021-03-11T18:31:42 #kisslinux <acheam> see ya merakor
2021-03-11T18:31:45 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor2: is this anything?
2021-03-11T18:32:00 #kisslinux <acheam> matrix or smthng?
2021-03-11T18:37:45 #kisslinux <acheam> matrix or smthng?
2021-03-11T18:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> whoops
2021-03-11T18:39:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> anyone know if it's possible to 'reload' fonts in, say, xterm?
2021-03-11T18:41:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Huh, what's this Tek window thing?
2021-03-11T18:41:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ahh
2021-03-11T18:41:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> help
2021-03-11T18:41:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh, Tek window
2021-03-11T18:41:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jj
2021-03-11T18:41:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> j
2021-03-11T18:41:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wtf
2021-03-11T18:41:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> someone's experimenting with xterm i c
2021-03-11T18:41:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the manual page probably has information on it
2021-03-11T18:41:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you're going to come across a lot of vestigial stuff in XTerm because of its age
2021-03-11T18:42:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i should write a stripped-down XTerm...
2021-03-11T18:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway just fyi I do use ubase, as well as sbase
2021-03-11T18:42:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> so using lz4 -1, my vim package compresses in .2s compared to xz -zT 0's 13s, but is twice as big
2021-03-11T18:42:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm :2021-03-11T18:42:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well...
2021-03-11T18:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there are some utilities in my repo to supplement it
2021-03-11T18:42:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> travankor that's what I get paid for
2021-03-11T18:43:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> re: keeping channel not-deadish
2021-03-11T18:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway good morning everyone
2021-03-11T18:44:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> good morning :^)
2021-03-11T18:44:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo
2021-03-11T18:44:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, "morning"
2021-03-11T18:44:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's 1445
2021-03-11T18:45:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so more like afternoon
2021-03-11T18:45:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but what's half a day between friends amirite
2021-03-11T18:45:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> EST gang
2021-03-11T18:45:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> AST*
2021-03-11T18:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> obscure time zone gang
2021-03-11T18:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> should I have rice and beef or hamburgers for breakfast
2021-03-11T18:48:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> vote now on your phones
2021-03-11T18:48:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> rice and beef, definitely
2021-03-11T18:48:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re morning, it's always morning when one joins
2021-03-11T18:49:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and evening when they leave
2021-03-11T18:49:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "morning" is the time period before breakfast
2021-03-11T18:49:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> mourning*
2021-03-11T18:49:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> coordinated irc time
2021-03-11T18:49:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> unironically use .beats
2021-03-11T18:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also if it's IRC wouldn't it be uncoordinated?
2021-03-11T18:50:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> why?
2021-03-11T18:50:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> something-something-no-central-authority
2021-03-11T18:51:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk man I'm just trying to suppress my existential dread through shitposting
2021-03-11T18:51:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heh
2021-03-11T18:51:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> Is this my college career?
2021-03-11T18:52:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "I'm in this and I don't like it"
2021-03-11T18:52:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> "I'm in this and I don't want to be"
2021-03-11T18:52:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> "existence is pain"
2021-03-11T18:52:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i didn't even bother going to class today
2021-03-11T18:52:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm just going to read K&R
2021-03-11T18:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and, like, idk
2021-03-11T18:53:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> rewatch Lain for the fifth time
2021-03-11T18:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i need to play through that PS1 game they released
2021-03-11T19:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> zstd might just be strictly the best compressor for packages wow
2021-03-11T19:06:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> compresses a linux pkg in .75s compard to gzip's 2.34s, and they're almost identical sizes
2021-03-11T19:08:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sure but it's non-standard
2021-03-11T19:08:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so
2021-03-11T19:20:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's so good
2021-03-11T19:20:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's also facebook tech
2021-03-11T19:20:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least afaik
2021-03-11T19:25:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-03-11T19:25:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> along with glorious btrfs
2021-03-11T19:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Wait, is btrfs developed by facebook? I don't think it is
2021-03-11T19:27:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm pretty sure they do most of the development work because they use it internally
2021-03-11T19:27:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, good thing I don't use btrfs
2021-03-11T19:28:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-11T19:28:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> rn I just use ext but I've been considering using f2fs
2021-03-11T19:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> need to look into it more
2021-03-11T19:29:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> zfs is the way
2021-03-11T19:29:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> "just use z-
2021-03-11T19:29:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I KNEW IT
2021-03-11T19:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> zfs is bloat
2021-03-11T19:29:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't think that's true :P
2021-03-11T19:29:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> good thing we're allowed to disagree
2021-03-11T19:30:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-11T19:30:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There's no disagreement with me. I just tend to murder people
2021-03-11T19:30:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-11T19:30:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Happens somehow out of my control
2021-03-11T19:30:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> if only HAMMER was available on loonix
2021-03-11T19:31:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'yet another nxghtmvrx detractor has mysteriously fallen out yet another window after shooting themselves twice in the back of the head'
2021-03-11T19:33:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh boy there's gonna be a new ReiserFS guise
2021-03-11T19:33:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> if kiss init isn't init then what's the default thing? busybox init?
2021-03-11T19:33:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> bbox
2021-03-11T19:33:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> by some guy who didn't murder his wife?
2021-03-11T19:33:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss-init is just the init scripts
2021-03-11T19:33:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah it's not by hans reiser
2021-03-11T19:33:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> the chad
2021-03-11T19:34:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> only second to the dude who made debian
2021-03-11T19:34:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> didn't he die in a drugged-out shootout against police or something? lmao
2021-03-11T19:34:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What a great way to die tho
2021-03-11T19:34:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I should practice it someday
2021-03-11T19:35:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> certainly meme-worthy
2021-03-11T19:42:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Still somehow getting confused by the difference between sbase and ubase somehow even if I need them both
2021-03-11T19:42:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> any experiences with asmutils?
2021-03-11T19:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> iirc sbase is linux-specific utils and ubase is general unix utils
2021-03-11T19:43:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if you intend to use a suckless userspace you do need both, yes
2021-03-11T19:43:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah I just look at files every time lol
2021-03-11T19:43:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i recommend supplementing suckless coreutils with libarchive for tar and gnugrep for grep
2021-03-11T19:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've also got standalone bc, less, etc implementations in my repo if you need those
2021-03-11T19:45:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'll look into it. Thanks for the info
2021-03-11T19:45:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Though want to try asmutils first
2021-03-11T19:45:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> http://asm.sourceforge.net/asmutils.html
2021-03-11T19:45:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, I saw those
2021-03-11T19:46:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Haven't they been unmaintained for like sixteen years though?
2021-03-11T19:47:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah 0.18 release was in 2006
2021-03-11T19:47:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> but if it still works I don't see a problem
2021-03-11T19:48:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> well obvs
2021-03-11T19:49:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I think this is the smallest possible practical implementation
2021-03-11T19:49:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> considering asm
2021-03-11T19:57:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> midfavila: iirc other way around, sbase is unix utils, ubase is linux specific
2021-03-11T20:00:51 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: yup merakor2 is matrix
2021-03-11T20:01:43 #kisslinux <merakor> E5ten: Yes ubase is "unportable base" i.e. util-linux replacement
2021-03-11T20:02:50 #kisslinux <merakor> sbase is a collection of standard POSIX utilities
2021-03-11T20:04:07 #kisslinux <merakor> There are some exceptions as well, such as tar(1) and install(1) which aren't defined by POSIX, but are widespread
2021-03-11T20:05:33 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: Which ed implementation do you use? sbase or GNU?
2021-03-11T20:10:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> IMO rn is the "golden age" of desktop linux. There wasn't that much of opportunity to deal or tinker with things before. New minimal programs being written and etc. Before it was small circle close to suckless and their friends
2021-03-11T20:11:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o zstd can replace xz
2021-03-11T20:12:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Before facebook haters show up, I must say that zstd is pretty good
2021-03-11T20:12:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lol
2021-03-11T20:13:00 #kisslinux <merakor> It is really fast and really small in size compared to all the alternatives
2021-03-11T20:13:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I mean it licensed as open source so there's no problem. All sorts of shitty corpos behind gnu and kernel too
2021-03-11T20:13:24 #kisslinux <merakor> nxghtmvrx: Exactly
2021-03-11T20:13:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> is btrfs licensed as open source?
2021-03-11T20:13:47 #kisslinux <merakor> I fucking hate facebook, but like, good free software is good free software
2021-03-11T20:13:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> gpl
2021-03-11T20:14:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why it's in the kernel :P
2021-03-11T20:14:29 #kisslinux * merakor cries in zfs
2021-03-11T20:14:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> sources does not smell so who cares lol. it can't reek of facebook
2021-03-11T20:14:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but--but all source is political by default !!
2021-03-11T20:14:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've heard you can *whispers* build it into the kernel tho
2021-03-11T20:15:11 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: I already do that
2021-03-11T20:15:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't say it so loudly!
2021-03-11T20:15:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If I was so stupidly political I'd quit out of the window as I had nothing to do in my life anymore
2021-03-11T20:15:34 #kisslinux <merakor> Oops that's true
2021-03-11T20:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of stupid shit
2021-03-11T20:15:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> my stove
2021-03-11T20:15:44 #kisslinux <merakor> We definitely don't like zfs
2021-03-11T20:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> the legends on the knobs have been rubbed off because of the cheap application method that was used, and the heating elements are fucking impossible to put back in after cleaning
2021-03-11T20:16:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> a shame i can't call zstd with xz built in BSD 3 clause :'(
2021-03-11T20:16:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm about ready to call my landlord and have them come do this shit
2021-03-11T20:17:05 #kisslinux <merakor> I read landlord as wayland for a second
2021-03-11T20:17:13 #kisslinux <merakor> My brain is rotted
2021-03-11T20:17:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-11T20:17:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> private ownership is xorg, then?
2021-03-11T20:17:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> xorg is going to live innawoods
2021-03-11T20:17:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> seize the means of window rendering
2021-03-11T20:18:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah I never thought re-inserting heating elements could be such a difficult task
2021-03-11T20:18:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> not like I haven't cleaned ovens and shit before either
2021-03-11T20:18:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> this one is just... really, really clunky
2021-03-11T20:19:24 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: Call ddevault
2021-03-11T20:19:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> "can you install wayland on my stove thanks"
2021-03-11T20:20:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> duh this nonsense again. just use framebuffer https://github.com/caramelli/higfxback
2021-03-11T20:21:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> xorg and wayland is bloat
2021-03-11T20:21:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> mtm/tmux is my wm
2021-03-11T20:22:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Emacs is my wm
2021-03-11T20:22:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> true. its framebuffer too
2021-03-11T20:22:41 #kisslinux <merakor> NO? https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm
2021-03-11T20:23:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Emacs can literally be used as a X11 window manager
2021-03-11T20:23:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah but I don't think emacs framebuffer works without X/wayland
2021-03-11T20:23:13 #kisslinux <acheam> exwm
2021-03-11T20:23:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> it needs to be stopped
2021-03-11T20:23:27 #kisslinux <merakor> I unironically used it for a month, it's fine
2021-03-11T20:23:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> but its the only wm that can be used both with xorg and wayland
2021-03-11T20:23:32 #kisslinux <merakor> I just can't stop using dwm
2021-03-11T20:24:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> there's dwm-like multiplexer for terminal
2021-03-11T20:24:16 #kisslinux <merakor> exwm only works on X11. The window management of Emacs in general works everywhere, similar to tmux
2021-03-11T20:24:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Yup, dvtm
2021-03-11T20:25:07 #kisslinux <merakor> I also used it, not really as good as the actual window manager.
2021-03-11T20:25:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I love dwm too but sacrifices must be made to keep my packages as low as possibe just because I want so
2021-03-11T20:25:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> like 25 packages turns to 80+ just because you install xorg trash
2021-03-11T20:26:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> its just dumb
2021-03-11T20:26:17 #kisslinux <merakor> cpt-list | wc -l
2021-03-11T20:26:18 #kisslinux <merakor> 422
2021-03-11T20:26:29 #kisslinux * merakor shrugs
2021-03-11T20:26:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> my stupid purism will kill me someday I swear
2021-03-11T20:26:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> hngng;
2021-03-11T20:27:09 #kisslinux <merakor> I used to care too much about package counts as well
2021-03-11T20:27:29 #kisslinux <merakor> Eh, I purge some of them twice a year now
2021-03-11T20:27:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> At the end of the day who cares if you can get your stuff done
2021-03-11T20:27:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Exactly
2021-03-11T20:27:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> what if my stuff that i need to get done IS purging
2021-03-11T20:28:36 #kisslinux <merakor> Please don't make me check my agenda, I don't even do stuff that I need to do
2021-03-11T20:28:41 #kisslinux <merakor> I just lie to myself
2021-03-11T20:28:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just spam kiss-reset nonstop
2021-03-11T20:29:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> welcome to the club merakor
2021-03-11T20:29:49 #kisslinux <merakor> I just look at repology every morning, update packages, and just spam ideas that I don't even get to complete.
2021-03-11T20:30:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Same
2021-03-11T20:30:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Theres directory called guides similar to mayfrost stuff that always in raw state
2021-03-11T20:30:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just keep adding new files
2021-03-11T20:32:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so
2021-03-11T20:32:34 #kisslinux <merakor> I have a project directory and like 90% of it is unpublished half-written programs because I had another idea while writing that given program, and MUST TRY THAT OUT.
2021-03-11T20:32:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> update on the stove
2021-03-11T20:32:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> these feel like personal attacks against me
2021-03-11T20:32:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of the two burners is now working
2021-03-11T20:32:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I had to remove the top half of the range to actually get at the sockets for the elements
2021-03-11T20:32:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> . _.
2021-03-11T20:33:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> also yes everyone bully the BDFL
2021-03-11T20:33:32 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: damn wayland sockets. Did you set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR beforehand?
2021-03-11T20:33:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine thinking I use XDG anything
2021-03-11T20:33:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-11T20:34:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> why not tho
2021-03-11T20:34:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> you put your configs in .config don't you
2021-03-11T20:34:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would put my configs in .config even if it wasn't part of the xdg spec
2021-03-11T20:34:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> suuuuuuurreeee
2021-03-11T20:34:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, I would
2021-03-11T20:35:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just export the location of my configs on a per-program basis
2021-03-11T20:35:07 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-11T20:35:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just symlink everything
2021-03-11T20:35:44 #kisslinux <merakor> If you are exporting location for all your configs, then why shittalk XDG variables?
2021-03-11T20:36:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just said I don't use them lmao
2021-03-11T20:36:11 #kisslinux <merakor> I AM ANGRE
2021-03-11T20:36:13 #kisslinux <merakor> USE XDG
2021-03-11T20:36:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not "shit talk"
2021-03-11T20:36:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Set it
2021-03-11T20:36:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Now
2021-03-11T20:36:40 #kisslinux <merakor> I am shittalking
2021-03-11T20:36:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no
2021-03-11T20:36:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you aren't my dad
2021-03-11T20:37:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Even my dad isn't my dad while he is my dad
2021-03-11T20:37:16 #kisslinux <merakor> oh alright then
2021-03-11T20:41:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So I had a dream today that I've replaced everything in my system with emacs and systemd
2021-03-11T20:41:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Sadly they does not include kernel
2021-03-11T20:42:34 #kisslinux <merakor> *clap* systemd-kerneld *clap*
2021-03-11T20:44:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wonder what would be the most fitting kernel for emacs os
2021-03-11T20:45:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Gnu hurd is a joke
2021-03-11T20:47:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sel4 would be cool
2021-03-11T20:47:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> formally-proven microkernel
2021-03-11T20:48:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> How was called that OS that existed only to start other OSes in it?
2021-03-11T20:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> qubes?
2021-03-11T20:50:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Geode or something like that
2021-03-11T20:50:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Oh, I think I've heard of that
2021-03-11T20:50:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> It seemed interesting enough
2021-03-11T20:50:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It was hard to even remember the name lol
2021-03-11T20:50:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So emacs os will work only inside geode
2021-03-11T20:52:09 #kisslinux <merakor> https://termbin.com/yj8c
2021-03-11T20:52:33 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh god oh fuck
2021-03-11T20:52:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Terry Davis had a dream about TempleOS and I about EmacsOS. Coincidence? I don't think so
2021-03-11T20:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> poeterring must be stopped
2021-03-11T20:53:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That will be the temple of emacs
2021-03-11T20:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> initiating scorched earth subroutine
2021-03-11T20:53:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> objective: eliminate red hat. no survivors
2021-03-11T20:53:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lmao Im dying
2021-03-11T20:53:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> systemd-kerneld
2021-03-11T20:54:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there's a relevant luke smith video one sec
2021-03-11T20:55:21 #kisslinux <merakor> disclaimer: This is a joke, it's not actually poettering
2021-03-11T20:55:26 #kisslinux <merakor> Saying just-in-case
2021-03-11T20:56:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wgg3pt9in00
2021-03-11T20:56:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> now I'm really-really sad
2021-03-11T20:56:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I thought systemd-kerneld is a thing
2021-03-11T20:56:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Wanted to use it for EmacsOS
2021-03-11T20:58:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> boo hiss!
2021-03-11T21:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> bloatOS
2021-03-11T21:02:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh my goodness xz is not gpl if you don't use gnugetopt. what is that even good smdh
2021-03-11T21:04:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can't get over the fact that Luke Smith's videos make it look like he lives in a swamp
2021-03-11T21:04:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> and it's just so damn fitting
2021-03-11T21:05:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you aren't wrong
2021-03-11T21:05:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> is it possible to combine audio and video streams together to watch it with ffplay?
2021-03-11T21:05:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I would love to live in a swamp too then
2021-03-11T21:05:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Such a nice swamp
2021-03-11T21:07:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Awww it was linuxd not kerneld :(
2021-03-11T21:08:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh yes EmacsOS should use sandboxes. Flatpak goodness
2021-03-11T21:08:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> invidious or streaming in general?
2021-03-11T21:09:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nxghtmvrx just pull the file using curl or something and pipe it into your media player
2021-03-11T21:09:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my media playback script does that
2021-03-11T21:09:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> works just fine when browsing invidious from links
2021-03-11T21:10:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Streaming in general. Is it possible to combine video and audio streams without downloading? Because I tried and don't think so. Asking maybe some of you will prove otherwise
2021-03-11T21:10:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i mean, you probably could do something like that
2021-03-11T21:10:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it would be so much easier to just dump it in /tmp
2021-03-11T21:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and then clean it up after you're done processing
2021-03-11T21:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you mean "can I stream it", streaming is just playback while downloading
2021-03-11T21:11:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so...
2021-03-11T21:11:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> one way or another the file is gonna end up on your system
2021-03-11T21:11:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> because ffplay does not care about more than single stream even if you use -i
2021-03-11T21:11:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's z3bra's method: https://blog.z3bra.org/2016/08/desktop-streaming.html, he streams things to a file and then ffplays that file
2021-03-11T21:11:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> use ffmpeg to combine the two
2021-03-11T21:12:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you're gonna do that just use a FIFO
2021-03-11T21:13:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah I know that its easy to combine it after downloading and stuff. Just wanted to know if maybe I was doing something wrong
2021-03-11T21:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> as long as it works and doesn't have glaring flaws
2021-03-11T21:14:51 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-03-11T21:19:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Or I could throw ffmpeg in the window and try other player which can just open youtube videos
2021-03-11T21:20:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/in/out/
2021-03-11T21:20:11 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Or I could throw ffmpeg out the window and try other player which can just open youtube videos
2021-03-11T21:20:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao just use invidious dude
2021-03-11T21:20:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> or you can pull it with youtube-dl
2021-03-11T21:20:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah but I want to integrate it into my newsboat so I can just watch stuff because I know that it's possible
2021-03-11T21:21:08 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-11T21:24:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah everything is shit. Im deprecating EmacsOS and installing windows 10 so I can just click on things and they werks
2021-03-11T21:24:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was quick
2021-03-11T21:24:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Free computing? Duh!
2021-03-11T21:25:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> EmacsOS lifespan was less than a day
2021-03-11T21:25:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> We had no kernel but still
2021-03-11T21:29:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> youtube-dl + mpv can do youtube videos
2021-03-11T21:30:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> thanks for the z3bra blog link but ffserver is deprecated or something. Probably would need RTMPDump
2021-03-11T21:30:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah mpv it is then
2021-03-11T21:30:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Thanks
2021-03-11T21:31:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So it can combine audio and video streams then?
2021-03-11T21:31:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you don't need ffserver, the part you'd want is ffmpeg to combine the streams and output to some FIFO or file, then ffplay that FIFO
2021-03-11T21:31:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mpv + youtube-dl can do audio-only and can do video+audio.  i don't know if it can do multiple URLs at one time though
2021-03-11T21:33:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> because youtube-dl provides two stream links of which one is audio and other is video
2021-03-11T21:34:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you'd call "mpv https://youtube.com/watch?v=whatever" and it does the streaming for you using youtube-dl
2021-03-11T21:35:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Interesting. So in theory youtube-dl can output combined url then
2021-03-11T21:36:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, it can also do livestreams and stuff like that
2021-03-11T21:36:46 #kisslinux <merakor> I watched EmacsCon from mpv
2021-03-11T21:36:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Damn it, why not Emacs
2021-03-11T21:37:06 #kisslinux <acheam> Lol
2021-03-11T21:40:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Thanks. That was stupid of me asking instead of simply researching everything and reading but still
2021-03-11T21:40:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sometimes it's easier to check first, especially if there's a niche tool that someone in here knows of
2021-03-11T21:40:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> which isn't easily findable with the usual methods
2021-03-11T21:41:36 #kisslinux <merakor> That's true
2021-03-11T21:43:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> By the way there's userscript for preview video thubnails on invidious like on youtube
2021-03-11T21:46:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Not very useful but it exists https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/403367-invidious-video-previews
2021-03-11T21:46:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Tested with surf- works without changed
2021-03-11T21:46:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/changed/changes/
2021-03-11T21:46:37 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Tested with surf- works without changes
2021-03-11T22:12:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys
2021-03-11T22:34:12 #kisslinux <protonesso> Finally my pax port works
2021-03-11T22:34:14 #kisslinux <protonesso> Shiiit
2021-03-11T22:34:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> as in the tar/cpio replacement?
2021-03-11T22:34:30 #kisslinux <protonesso> At least I have better security
2021-03-11T22:34:36 #kisslinux <protonesso> But no randmap
2021-03-11T22:34:41 #kisslinux <protonesso> ;__;
2021-03-11T22:34:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, no, PaX
2021-03-11T22:35:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me, why do people still use tar and not pax?
2021-03-11T22:35:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not like pax is a recent invention
2021-03-11T22:39:39 #kisslinux <acheam> because tar is a dep for a ton of stuff, and having both installed on the system is less minimal
2021-03-11T22:39:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm talking in general
2021-03-11T22:40:37 #kisslinux <acheam> wdym?
2021-03-11T22:40:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> pax was created to unify and replace both cpio and tar
2021-03-11T22:40:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's compatible with both
2021-03-11T22:41:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> for lack of a better term, it deprecates cpio and tar
2021-03-11T22:41:12 #kisslinux <acheam> people use what's already prevalent
2021-03-11T22:41:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yes
2021-03-11T22:41:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> obviously
2021-03-11T22:41:18 #kisslinux <acheam> unless red hat lobbies for it
2021-03-11T22:41:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but "everyone else does it" is a shitty non-reason
2021-03-11T22:41:49 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't stop it from being a reason people use
2021-03-11T22:42:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't make it valid
2021-03-11T22:42:01 #kisslinux <acheam> and with something like software, you kind of need a critical mass
2021-03-11T22:42:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it might not be valid, but it can be a necesity
2021-03-11T22:43:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Meh.
2021-03-11T22:56:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> <midfavila> do you use sbase?
2021-03-11T22:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yes
2021-03-11T22:57:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> Why?
2021-03-11T23:03:46 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is this worth?
2021-03-11T23:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, if you want to do it, sure
2021-03-11T23:06:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> is better?
2021-03-11T23:07:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Depends on how you define "better"
2021-03-11T23:07:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> faster and less size
2021-03-11T23:07:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Then yes, they're better
2021-03-11T23:07:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> you tested ubase?
2021-03-11T23:07:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i tested
2021-03-11T23:07:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but not worth automatically
2021-03-11T23:07:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use ubase and sbase as my coreutils
2021-03-11T23:07:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> They're suitable for my needs.
2021-03-11T23:08:01 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> oh
2021-03-11T23:09:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> ubase had to do other configs? or kiss a just works out of the box?
2021-03-11T23:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> It just works out of the box.
2021-03-11T23:20:04 #kisslinux <claudia> aloha
2021-03-11T23:20:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hello
2021-03-11T23:21:29 #kisslinux <acheam> hi claudia
2021-03-11T23:21:32 #kisslinux <claudia> oh I wanted to ask nxghtmvrx something about framebuffer but they seemed to be off now.
2021-03-11T23:21:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> hey lads
2021-03-11T23:22:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hi
2021-03-11T23:22:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam I have a suggestion for the song of the day
2021-03-11T23:22:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=oeBANlnNzy4
2021-03-11T23:23:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> >dankmus
2021-03-11T23:23:07 #kisslinux <acheam> when I get home i'll look at it
2021-03-11T23:23:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> quality taste
2021-03-11T23:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i only consoom the highest of quality content
2021-03-11T23:23:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> this should be common knowledge by now
2021-03-11T23:25:42 #kisslinux <claudia> funky
2021-03-11T23:25:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh you don't even know funky
2021-03-11T23:26:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=TtbCdqmdfO4
2021-03-11T23:26:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> behold
2021-03-11T23:26:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> america moment
2021-03-11T23:26:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> hahaha
2021-03-11T23:26:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> ITS A HANDGUN
2021-03-11T23:26:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I'm more of a crossbow guy myself
2021-03-11T23:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i find it hilarious how you need to jump through a dozen and a half hoops to even be considered for a restricted license to buy a handgun in my province, but you can just like
2021-03-11T23:27:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> carry a crossbow around
2021-03-11T23:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's totally a-okay
2021-03-11T23:28:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> same thing with knives vs swords
2021-03-11T23:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> can't carry a knife above a certain length but swords? that's fine