2021-04-24T01:16:11 #kisslinux ...huh, Google Groups still uses their OG logo 2021-04-24T01:16:20 #kisslinux https://groups.google.com/forum/google.png 2021-04-24T01:25:47 #kisslinux any of you wanting to tinker with old or low-level X stuff might find this useful 2021-04-24T01:25:50 #kisslinux http://lesstif.sourceforge.net/doc/super-ux/g1ae03e/part1/contents.html 2021-04-24T01:26:04 #kisslinux NEC docs detailing working with Xt and Xaw 2021-04-24T01:28:01 #kisslinux looks like there are accompanying docs for internal X stuff, too. 2021-04-24T01:28:07 #kisslinux * midfavila whistles 2021-04-24T01:34:19 #kisslinux I'm surprised Google hasn't shut down Groups yet. 2021-04-24T01:36:06 #kisslinux I honestly wish that they would 2021-04-24T01:36:15 #kisslinux There are so many spammers on USENET because of Groups 2021-04-24T01:38:48 #kisslinux man, you know that docs are old when they call DES secure... 2021-04-24T03:05:13 #kisslinux testuser_: chromium seems to work fine 2021-04-24T04:10:53 #kisslinux Hi 2021-04-24T04:10:53 #kisslinux Nice 2021-04-24T08:14:24 #kisslinux o/ 2021-04-24T08:14:29 #kisslinux Hi 2021-04-24T08:14:41 #kisslinux so, there's no `/var/log/boot.log` file 2021-04-24T08:15:02 #kisslinux so I have no idea why it just stops when it tries to "load linux" 2021-04-24T08:15:12 #kisslinux how do I ensure a boot.log file? 2021-04-24T08:23:30 #kisslinux do I have to manually install syslog? 2021-04-24T08:39:23 #kisslinux no I don't, how do I ensure syslog is doing it's thing during bootup? 2021-04-24T09:05:09 #kisslinux ok, I think I've enabled debuging messages in the kernel so hopefully I should see more information 2021-04-24T09:14:23 #kisslinux Nothing is showing... bah I have to go out any way 2021-04-24T09:14:28 #kisslinux I'll come back later 2021-04-24T13:57:50 #kisslinux https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/commit/79e8df83dd3ff34c5d527c6320940292289af570 2021-04-24T13:58:04 #kisslinux finally 2021-04-24T13:58:57 #kisslinux woohoo! 2021-04-24T14:04:53 #kisslinux f i n a l l y 2021-04-24T16:42:02 #kisslinux back 2021-04-24T17:17:32 #kisslinux Wooooooo, now we only need one garbage toolkit to build our garbage browser! 2021-04-24T17:17:57 #kisslinux * midfavila blows on a vuvuzela 2021-04-24T17:23:37 #kisslinux ? 2021-04-24T17:24:05 #kisslinux thermatix: firefox now only depends on gtk+3, and not on gtk+2 2021-04-24T17:24:11 #kisslinux GTK3 is awful, as is firefucks. simple as. 2021-04-24T17:24:18 #kisslinux oh 2021-04-24T17:24:23 #kisslinux k 2021-04-24T17:26:15 #kisslinux how do I figure out why kiss get's stuck on loading linux? 2021-04-24T17:26:21 #kisslinux there's no boot logs 2021-04-24T17:26:22 #kisslinux like 2021-04-24T17:26:23 #kisslinux at all 2021-04-24T17:26:43 #kisslinux Does KISS get stuck on "loading linux" or the bootloader get stuck on loading KISS ? 2021-04-24T17:27:32 #kisslinux I see 2021-04-24T17:27:45 #kisslinux "Loading linux " 2021-04-24T17:27:51 #kisslinux and that's it 2021-04-24T17:28:09 #kisslinux also I dropped a small networking switch on my foot earlier 2021-04-24T17:28:13 #kisslinux it still hurts :( 2021-04-24T17:28:27 #kisslinux but yeah, just that 2021-04-24T17:28:33 #kisslinux want to see a pic of the message? 2021-04-24T17:28:48 #kisslinux Well that's an issue with the bootloader 2021-04-24T17:28:57 #kisslinux Did you pass root= as a parameter 2021-04-24T17:29:16 #kisslinux ? 2021-04-24T17:29:34 #kisslinux root=/dev/something is a kernel parameter 2021-04-24T17:29:49 #kisslinux I don't know 2021-04-24T17:30:00 #kisslinux It probably gets stuck cuz you haven't told the kernel where your root is 2021-04-24T17:30:06 #kisslinux thermatix: you'd have to figure out if it's actually hanging or just not displaying antyhing 2021-04-24T17:30:20 #kisslinux if the kernel didnt' know where ROOTFS was it would display an error like 'cannot sync bla bla bla' 2021-04-24T17:30:21 #kisslinux if root wasn't specified the kernel would panic 2021-04-24T17:30:32 #kisslinux meaning there must have been an issue loading the kernel 2021-04-24T17:30:40 #kisslinux first off, what bootloader are you using 2021-04-24T17:30:46 #kisslinux grub 2021-04-24T17:30:50 #kisslinux that explains it. 2021-04-24T17:30:51 #kisslinux hng 2021-04-24T17:31:00 #kisslinux my solution to anyone who uses grub is 2021-04-24T17:31:00 #kisslinux I didn't have to do this on the VM 2021-04-24T17:31:01 #kisslinux "don't" 2021-04-24T17:31:08 #kisslinux KISS is now efistub only distro 2021-04-24T17:31:17 #kisslinux use literally anything aside from grub. 2021-04-24T17:31:22 #kisslinux it's absolute trash. 2021-04-24T17:31:32 #kisslinux even though kiss install says to use grub? 2021-04-24T17:31:35 #kisslinux lol 2021-04-24T17:31:37 #kisslinux abs(trash) if you will 2021-04-24T17:31:43 #kisslinux and who gives a shit what the install says lmfao 2021-04-24T17:31:49 #kisslinux you can use whatever you want 2021-04-24T17:31:57 #kisslinux bootloader's a bootloader's a bootloader. 2021-04-24T17:32:32 #kisslinux we need to know a few things. is it BIOS or UEFI, what graphics card you have and how you've configured its drivers etc with the kernel, the kernel commandline, how you installed grub 2021-04-24T17:32:41 #kisslinux and your partition layout a la lsblk 2021-04-24T17:33:00 #kisslinux graphics cards are a pain. 2021-04-24T17:33:11 #kisslinux i've never been able to load firmware from the filesystem on KISS. 2021-04-24T17:33:18 #kisslinux my laptop has a ryzen 7 4700u so no seperate GPU 2021-04-24T17:33:30 #kisslinux okay, but you still need the chipset firmware 2021-04-24T17:33:34 #kisslinux got that 2021-04-24T17:33:45 #kisslinux try compiling it and the GPU driver into your kernel. 2021-04-24T17:36:02 #kisslinux if I compile the kernel with `CONFIG_EFI_STUB=y` do I only need to follow the efibootmgr bit on -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFISTUB 2021-04-24T17:36:15 #kisslinux no idea. I don't touch that stuff 2021-04-24T17:36:19 #kisslinux dilyn, tag, you're in 2021-04-24T17:37:43 #kisslinux and then I can get rid of grub? 2021-04-24T17:38:43 #kisslinux well, you're replacing it with another bootloader, so yeah 2021-04-24T17:39:27 #kisslinux ah, already compiled it with EFI_STUB 2021-04-24T17:42:01 #kisslinux / 2021-04-24T17:42:03 #kisslinux fuck 2021-04-24T17:42:22 #kisslinux 2021-04-24T17:42:28 #kisslinux there, balance has been restored 2021-04-24T17:42:30 #kisslinux namaste 2021-04-24T17:43:02 #kisslinux lol 2021-04-24T17:43:06 #kisslinux also I don't think the root thing is the problem 2021-04-24T17:43:20 #kisslinux grubĀ  is correctly setting the root to the correct /dev 2021-04-24T17:43:26 #kisslinux hence the suggestion to compile drivers and firmware into the kernel. 2021-04-24T17:44:53 #kisslinux ^ personally I just think its a graphics issue 2021-04-24T17:45:35 #kisslinux but if you are using efi, grub just uses efibootmgr anyways. the only good reason to use grub is 1) you are proficient with it, or 2) you need it for something like windows. and even then I don't think it's necessary, if windows boots sanely with UEFI... 2021-04-24T17:46:32 #kisslinux if you want to just use efibootmgr and skip grub, you need efistub enabled in the kernel. then, you just need to make an efivar using efibootmgr so your UEFI firmware can exec it 2021-04-24T17:48:06 #kisslinux like this -> # efibootmgr -c -d /dev/sda -p 1 -L "ArchLinux" -l vmlinuz-linux -u "root=/dev/sda2 rw initrd=/initramfs-linux.img" 2021-04-24T17:48:14 #kisslinux whoops meant to wrap that in ticks 2021-04-24T17:48:19 #kisslinux lol 2021-04-24T17:48:28 #kisslinux so if you aren't using initramfs don't include the initrd part 2021-04-24T17:49:02 #kisslinux I'm guesting replace`-L "ArchLinux"` with `-L "Kiss"` ? 2021-04-24T17:49:02 #kisslinux and the -l 'path' is relative to your EFI partition, not your rootfs partition. so from that line, I expect vmlinuz-linux to be in /boot 2021-04-24T17:49:15 #kisslinux L can be whatever you want 2021-04-24T17:49:51 #kisslinux so... `-l '/boot/vmlinuz-linux'` ? 2021-04-24T17:50:02 #kisslinux since I mounted my efi partition on `/boot`2021-04-24T17:50:12 #kisslinux s/// 2021-04-24T17:50:12 #kisslinux since I mounted my efi partition on `/boot`2021-04-24T17:50:18 #kisslinux s/\// 2021-04-24T17:50:18 #kisslinux since I mounted my efi partition on `/boot` 2021-04-24T17:50:32 #kisslinux no, it's just -l vmlinuz-linux 2021-04-24T17:50:54 #kisslinux for instance I mount /dev/sda1 to /boot, and /boot looks like /boot/efi/KISS/vmlinuz.efi 2021-04-24T17:51:02 #kisslinux so my -l is efiKISSvmlinuz.efi 2021-04-24T17:51:53 #kisslinux Dilyn have you tried building clang with LTO 2021-04-24T17:52:12 #kisslinux mmhm 2021-04-24T17:52:25 #kisslinux The resultant package on my machine is ~650mb installed.. 2021-04-24T17:52:31 #kisslinux YUPP! 2021-04-24T17:52:34 #kisslinux :3 2021-04-24T17:52:47 #kisslinux `kiss size llvm`: 922MB 2021-04-24T17:52:59 #kisslinux Hmm 2021-04-24T17:53:11 #kisslinux Why is it so fat 2021-04-24T17:53:21 #kisslinux because LLVM is one big boi 2021-04-24T17:53:26 #kisslinux Almost double lol 2021-04-24T17:53:50 #kisslinux wyverkiss' regular LLVM is about the same size as gcc+binutils, so that ones fine 2021-04-24T17:54:07 #kisslinux I have no idea why LTO or PGO'd llvm/clang are *so* much bigger tho. especially since LTO is supposed to slim it down 2021-04-24T17:54:23 #kisslinux Did you do thin lto or full lto ? 2021-04-24T17:54:29 #kisslinux I am using gcc so it's full 2021-04-24T17:55:23 #kisslinux thin 2021-04-24T17:55:32 #kisslinux hm let's try full! 2021-04-24T17:55:59 #kisslinux Add ffat-lto-objects to that, will probably grow to 2gb 2021-04-24T17:58:29 #kisslinux we actually don't use the f-word any more 2021-04-24T17:58:33 #kisslinux they're instead objects of size 2021-04-24T17:58:57 #kisslinux thicc-lto-objects 2021-04-24T17:59:03 #kisslinux DILYN 2021-04-24T17:59:09 #kisslinux do NOT objectify them! 2021-04-24T18:00:00 #kisslinux i can't help it 2021-04-24T18:00:17 #kisslinux a classic case of internalized linking 2021-04-24T18:00:19 #kisslinux absolutely disgusting 2021-04-24T18:00:51 #kisslinux men only want one thing - tiny optimized statically linked binaries 2021-04-24T18:00:54 #kisslinux and it's fucking disgusting 2021-04-24T18:01:18 #kisslinux exactly right. 2021-04-24T18:02:43 #kisslinux it's not about whether your disk is large enough to accomodate them 2021-04-24T18:02:52 #kisslinux it's about whether it's *right* to do so 2021-04-24T18:04:02 #kisslinux also, wow, garlic and soy sauce go fantastically together. made some rice for the first time in ages this morning 2021-04-24T18:04:19 #kisslinux put that little concoction on a salad 2021-04-24T18:04:21 #kisslinux it's delicious 2021-04-24T18:04:42 #kisslinux salads are lame. 2021-04-24T18:04:57 #kisslinux then again, most "salads" around here are one of two things 2021-04-24T18:05:15 #kisslinux either a) dripping with so much oil and dressing that it completely eliminates any health benefits 2021-04-24T18:05:27 #kisslinux or b) literally just a head of lettuce with some nuts 2021-04-24T18:10:22 #kisslinux do I need to include all the microcode blobs or just the one for my cpu? plus do I need the .bin.asc file? 2021-04-24T18:11:01 #kisslinux GPU, not CPU 2021-04-24T18:11:18 #kisslinux and I don't particularly know. I don't make a habit of using hardware that requires blobs. 2021-04-24T18:13:01 #kisslinux I'm adding them all in 2021-04-24T18:13:14 #kisslinux iirc the asc file is just a verification thing 2021-04-24T18:13:22 #kisslinux cool 2021-04-24T18:13:28 #kisslinux So you can verify your blob didn't break in download 2021-04-24T18:13:41 #kisslinux Just cat the asc file and confirm 2021-04-24T18:14:21 #kisslinux there's a PGP sig in the file so yeah you're right 2021-04-24T18:14:39 #kisslinux also, do I also need the non fam specific `microcode_amd.bin` file? 2021-04-24T18:15:37 #kisslinux I'm going to go with yes 2021-04-24T18:15:46 #kisslinux ... no wait 2021-04-24T18:16:27 #kisslinux yeah I think you do 2021-04-24T18:17:42 #kisslinux you only need the one microcode for your CPU family, I don't know about the microcode_amd.bin 2021-04-24T18:17:56 #kisslinux I haven't looked into microcode yet for this new system, not sure if I want to bother tbh 2021-04-24T18:18:06 #kisslinux i don't bother with microcode 2021-04-24T18:18:09 #kisslinux It just works 2021-04-24T18:18:13 #kisslinux but muh spectre 2021-04-24T18:18:34 #kisslinux there are mitigations for that in software, if you've really affected by that 2021-04-24T18:18:38 #kisslinux at least, I think there is... 2021-04-24T18:18:39 #kisslinux linking libllvm with full lto takes for bloody ever 2021-04-24T18:18:46 #kisslinux I know some stuff have software mitigations 2021-04-24T18:18:47 #kisslinux 6gb ram usage, still climbing. jeez 2021-04-24T18:18:51 #kisslinux >only 6gb 2021-04-24T18:18:55 #kisslinux try gfortran 2021-04-24T18:19:00 #kisslinux noty 2021-04-24T18:19:56 #kisslinux I accidentally built half of chromium with lto and the final link took an hour to fail and took ~25gb of ram peak 2021-04-24T18:19:59 #kisslinux (Swap) 2021-04-24T18:20:34 #kisslinux hot diggity good gawd 2021-04-24T18:22:12 #kisslinux lol 2021-04-24T18:22:15 #kisslinux also damn 2021-04-24T18:22:36 #kisslinux gfortran oom'd me with 64gb of usable memory 2021-04-24T18:22:38 #kisslinux goml 2021-04-24T18:23:00 #kisslinux seriously though, I have no idea why it needs that much 2021-04-24T18:23:17 #kisslinux because fortran 5head compiler 2021-04-24T18:23:17 #kisslinux chromium I can *almost* understand 2021-04-24T18:23:47 #kisslinux it actually turned your PC into a zombie it was using to help calculate the fifth ramsey number 2021-04-24T18:23:51 #kisslinux gz gnu played u 2021-04-24T18:23:57 #kisslinux fuck 2021-04-24T18:32:54 #kisslinux full lto llvm is 18MB smaller than thin lto 2021-04-24T18:32:55 #kisslinux #value 2021-04-24T18:37:28 #kisslinux so turns out you don't need the .sbin files in the amd directory 2021-04-24T18:53:11 #kisslinux yay! 2021-04-24T18:53:14 #kisslinux I mean 2021-04-24T18:53:24 #kisslinux it didn't fully boot but it got further so yay? 2021-04-24T18:53:44 #kisslinux further is better 2021-04-24T18:54:27 #kisslinux yay 2021-04-24T18:54:37 #kisslinux I forgot to update the fstab file 2021-04-24T18:54:48 #kisslinux that'd do it 2021-04-24T18:54:52 #kisslinux it wouldn't 2021-04-24T18:55:01 #kisslinux YAY 2021-04-24T18:55:04 #kisslinux oh 2021-04-24T18:55:09 #kisslinux I can do stuff! 2021-04-24T18:55:13 #kisslinux am confused 2021-04-24T18:55:16 #kisslinux yay! 2021-04-24T18:55:31 #kisslinux the fstab helps depending on how far he got, i suppose 2021-04-24T18:55:37 #kisslinux if he got to getty then an fstab helps 2021-04-24T18:56:01 #kisslinux I had the boot partition pointing to /boot/efi (where it was on the VM) and forgot to update to where it is on the laptop (/boot) 2021-04-24T18:56:08 #kisslinux but other then that it's doing something 2021-04-24T18:56:14 #kisslinux I mean, I can do stuff 2021-04-24T18:56:18 #kisslinux like log in 2021-04-24T18:56:33 #kisslinux then you're in! 2021-04-24T18:58:18 #kisslinux yeah... how do I do wifi stuff from the commandline? 2021-04-24T18:58:22 #kisslinux and how do I check the wifi worked? 2021-04-24T18:58:31 #kisslinux I mean that I got to the correct blob 2021-04-24T19:00:33 #kisslinux `ip link` would say something more than just lo 2021-04-24T19:01:23 #kisslinux as for setting up wifi, https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/software/wpa_supplicant 2021-04-24T19:01:36 #kisslinux or, `kiss-help wiki/software/wpa_supplicant` 2021-04-24T19:01:47 #kisslinux hi, so i've just installed kiss and i'm getting an error when compiling which says that i'm missing ncursesw/ncurses.h. i have the ncurses.h file in /usr/include an 2021-04-24T19:01:50 #kisslinux d i found a thread about it on the subreddit, but i still can't figure it out. mak 2021-04-24T19:01:58 #kisslinux thanks @dilyn 2021-04-24T19:02:02 #kisslinux what are you trying to build nodezsh? 2021-04-24T19:02:25 #kisslinux ofc thermatix. wiki has basically everything you need to get started beyond the install guide 2021-04-24T19:02:32 #kisslinux oops didn't mean to send it like that 2021-04-24T19:03:21 #kisslinux i'm trying to build stfl and i'm getting an error related to ncurses 2021-04-24T19:04:06 #kisslinux nodezsh did you try building ncurses via `kiss b`? 2021-04-24T19:04:24 #kisslinux yes i also tried to rebuild it again 2021-04-24T19:05:07 #kisslinux and then `kiss i` 2021-04-24T19:06:01 #kisslinux yes i have it installed but when i'm trying to build stfl it says i'm missing ncursesw/ncurses.h 2021-04-24T19:06:06 #kisslinux do I need to the wheel group for the wfii thing? 2021-04-24T19:06:08 #kisslinux hmmmm 2021-04-24T19:07:08 #kisslinux thermatix: per arch wiki: Setting ctrl_interface_group=wheel allows users belonging to such group to execute wpa_cli. 2021-04-24T19:07:21 #kisslinux in your wpa_supplicant.conf file 2021-04-24T19:07:32 #kisslinux so if I use say group wifi it will cause issues with other parts of wpa? 2021-04-24T19:08:20 #kisslinux nodezsh: our ncurses collapses ncursesw files straight into /usr/include with the rest of 'em 2021-04-24T19:09:02 #kisslinux so either patch stfl to look for instead, or change the ncurses package to install them to $1/usr/include/ncursesw 2021-04-24T19:09:26 #kisslinux wym? 2021-04-24T19:09:51 #kisslinux you don't need to be in any special group to use wifi, you just need to be in whatever the ctrl_interface_group is set to in order to RUN wpa_cli 2021-04-24T19:10:04 #kisslinux or just be root 2021-04-24T19:10:07 #kisslinux ok i'll look into it thanks 2021-04-24T19:10:21 #kisslinux I just have wpa_supplicant run at boot from /etc/rc.d, it's the 'simplest' 2021-04-24T19:11:25 #kisslinux i'm off until tomorrow folx. ciao 2021-04-24T19:12:48 #kisslinux bb 2021-04-24T19:19:13 #kisslinux gfdi, today was meant to be a thorough review of K&R 2021-04-24T19:19:24 #kisslinux but instead I've spent my afternoon watching anime 2021-04-24T19:21:09 #kisslinux :p 2021-04-24T19:34:11 #kisslinux Please register with NickServ if you're unable to talk. 2021-04-24T19:35:09 #kisslinux booop 2021-04-24T19:35:45 #kisslinux You're good 2021-04-24T19:48:58 #kisslinux Hm, unidentified users won't be able to join. I thought they would be merely unable to send messages. 2021-04-24T19:49:50 #kisslinux so I have no wlan0 interface 2021-04-24T19:50:08 #kisslinux and I have enabled wireless in the kernel 2021-04-24T19:58:22 #kisslinux welp, see yall tommrow 2021-04-24T22:48:57 #kisslinux wow so many matrix bridge users 2021-04-24T22:49:24 #kisslinux ...oh hey, just experienced my first netsplit 2021-04-24T22:49:33 #kisslinux thats impressive lol 2021-04-24T22:49:33 #kisslinux nifterino 2021-04-24T22:49:44 #kisslinux theyve been happening so frequently 2021-04-24T22:53:25 #kisslinux >pale moon works on musl mid 2021-04-24T22:53:34 #kisslinux i've been lied to 2021-04-24T22:53:41 #kisslinux bamboozled 2021-04-24T22:53:42 #kisslinux fooled 2021-04-24T22:53:47 #kisslinux deceived.