[2021-11-07T05:50:43Z] <testuser[m]1> Hi
[2021-11-07T06:06:39Z] <testuser[m]1> What does wlroots being "owned" by free desktop mean
[2021-11-07T06:06:44Z] <testuser[m]1> Wouldn't the contributors be the same
[2021-11-07T06:10:13Z] <testuser[m]1> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Pop-OS-New-Rust-Desktop
[2021-11-07T06:24:01Z] <illiliti> they already enforced their CoC
[2021-11-07T06:24:06Z] <illiliti> they want to rename master to main
[2021-11-07T06:24:17Z] <illiliti> i mean these bullshit changes started after transition to freedesktop
[2021-11-07T06:24:41Z] <illiliti> coincidence? i don't think so
[2021-11-07T06:25:36Z] <illiliti> redhat took over the control, it's obvious. they started enforcing their corporate policy to wlroots
[2021-11-07T06:25:58Z] <illiliti> we will see more bullshit in the future
[2021-11-07T06:26:05Z] <testuser[m]1> hmm
[2021-11-07T06:31:12Z] <konimex> didn't ddevault himself proposed the move to freedesktop?
[2021-11-07T06:37:40Z] <illiliti> > ddevault closed this on Oct 25, 2019
[2021-11-07T06:37:47Z] <illiliti> > emersion reopened this on Sep 26
[2021-11-07T06:40:27Z] <illiliti> Drew doesn't control wlroots anymore afaik
[2021-11-07T06:41:04Z] <konimex> so what's the reason for ddevault closing the issue in the first place before the new guy went ahead?
[2021-11-07T06:41:23Z] <illiliti> we don't know
[2021-11-07T06:42:10Z] <konimex> > Pulling the plug on this for now until the following GitLab bug is addressed:
[2021-11-07T06:42:23Z] <konimex> looks like technical reason rather than ideological reason
[2021-11-07T06:44:54Z] <konimex> you know what, if the freedesktop move means wlroots (and therefore sway) is pressured and forced to support nvidia, it will be a positive (for me at least)
[2021-11-07T06:46:07Z] <illiliti> yeah, but closing the issue rather than simply leaving it open looks suspicious
[2021-11-07T06:56:30Z] <illiliti> nvidia support will never happen unless they open source code of driver
[2021-11-07T07:03:00Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6650
[2021-11-07T07:03:17Z] <illiliti> > locked as off-topic and limited conversation to collaborators
[2021-11-07T07:03:19Z] <illiliti> :)
[2021-11-07T07:08:33Z] <konimex> so... this not true? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-GBM-Works-With-Sway
[2021-11-07T07:09:23Z] <konimex> anyway, works != support, but
[2021-11-07T07:09:28Z] <konimex> > nvidia support will never happen unless they open source code of driver
[2021-11-07T07:09:48Z] <konimex> or if there's pressure from the larger "fd.o" higher ups (e.g. red hat)
[2021-11-07T07:10:16Z] <testuser[m]1> it works but its terrible cuz of nvidia's crap driver
[2021-11-07T07:10:36Z] <testuser[m]1> clipboard pasting is broken, halts the program sometimes
[2021-11-07T07:12:06Z] <konimex> GNOME already supports EGLStreams (iirc), so if they can pressure wlroots to do the same (via some "internal politics" like the master->main change) that'd be great since I don't need to buy an AMD GPU in these times
[2021-11-07T07:13:02Z] <illiliti> eglstreams doesn't matter anymore
[2021-11-07T07:19:03Z] <illiliti> konimex: it's impossible to support nvidia due to technical reason. wlroots devs often patches underlaying drm driver to fix some bugs. driver with closed source makes it impossible to do so
[2021-11-07T07:24:06Z] <illiliti> moreover, nvidia actively sabotaging open source alternatives like nouveau by introducing signed firmware and shit like that
[2021-11-07T07:24:57Z] <illiliti> they definitely don't want it open source
[2021-11-07T07:26:24Z] <illiliti> redhat should pressure nvidia. i think they already do since nvidia implemented GBM
[2021-11-07T07:30:47Z] <konimex> aye
[2021-11-07T19:53:35Z] <midfavila> Hey, all. Anyone have luck getting Guile running? Been fiddling with it for a few hours, but I'm getting weird errors at runtime.
[2021-11-07T19:54:52Z] <midfavila> Fails to compile its definition for Scheme, which causes everything else to fail with "no such language scheme", despite Guile compiling just fine