[2021-12-07T01:40:49Z] <acheam> lords of kiss linux forgive me, for I have installed Fedora
[2021-12-07T01:50:33Z] <noocsharp> what
[2021-12-07T01:50:45Z] <noocsharp> of all distributions
[2021-12-07T01:53:00Z] <acheam> I wanted a jUsTwErKs distro for my laptop
[2021-12-07T01:53:07Z] <acheam> I tried Alpine first but it didnt just work enough
[2021-12-07T01:53:20Z] <acheam> and then tried opensuse but couldnt get it to install
[2021-12-07T01:53:26Z] <acheam> also KDE Plasma was a requirement
[2021-12-07T01:53:43Z] <noocsharp> why is plasma a requirement?
[2021-12-07T01:54:13Z] <acheam> Its my favorite desktop environment and I wanted a full desktop environment
[2021-12-07T01:54:38Z] <acheam> I got tired of being like "hey guys yeah I can help with the project just give me 10min to connect to wifi"
[2021-12-07T01:54:44Z] <acheam> and issues like that on OpenBSD on my laptop
[2021-12-07T01:54:59Z] <noocsharp> but that's half the fun of running linux
[2021-12-07T01:55:09Z] <acheam> I know
[2021-12-07T01:55:15Z] <acheam> I'm still running oBSD on my desktop
[2021-12-07T01:55:32Z] <acheam> But for on the go I just wanted something that would work without hassle
[2021-12-07T01:56:42Z] <acheam> and so far I'm actually very happy with it. I forgot how convinient certain things are, like a power profile slider, and easy access to network shares and stuff
[2021-12-07T01:57:52Z] <noocsharp> fair
[2021-12-07T02:00:20Z] <noocsharp> i run xfce on my desktop out of convenience but it randomly breaks at least once a day
[2021-12-07T02:06:45Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-12-07T02:06:48Z] <acheam> too lazy to debug it?
[2021-12-07T02:07:17Z] <cem> hehe wifi, one of the reasons I use iwd with dbus instead of eiwd or wpa_supp
[2021-12-07T02:13:48Z] <noocsharp> i dislike the idea of desktop environments so i really don't want to waste time trying to fix it
[2021-12-07T02:14:51Z] <noocsharp> what's the advantage of iwd with dbus over eiwd?
[2021-12-07T02:24:00Z] <acheam> noocsharp: iwctl is a big one
[2021-12-07T02:24:12Z] <acheam> i mean, at the end of the day
[2021-12-07T02:24:14Z] <acheam> dbus aint that bad
[2021-12-07T02:24:36Z] <acheam> but I understand the drive to remove it
[2021-12-07T02:28:40Z] <cem> yeah iwctl is the most convenient wifi configuration interface I've ever used
[2021-12-07T02:31:06Z] <cem> Though dbus is indeed pretty bad
[2021-12-07T02:31:09Z] <noocsharp> seems like wpa_cli does the same sort of thing
[2021-12-07T02:31:45Z] <noocsharp> but i've always used wpa_supplicant, no experience with iwctl
[2021-12-07T02:32:00Z] <cem> Not really, they are very different
[2021-12-07T02:32:25Z] <cem> Adding a network through wpa_cli is a huge pain in the ass
[2021-12-07T02:33:56Z] <noocsharp> fair
[2021-12-07T02:34:08Z] <noocsharp> i don't often connect to new wifi networks, so not a huge issue for me
[2021-12-07T02:34:09Z] <cem> Creating a script to get network names, piping to dmenu, writing the password, and generating a configuration file is unironically easier than using wpa_cli to do it
[2021-12-07T02:35:01Z] <noocsharp> i end up just copying and pasting existing configurations and changing the parameters
[2021-12-07T02:35:18Z] <cem> Yeah, that's also fair, I probably wouldn't use iwd on a desktop
[2021-12-07T02:35:48Z] <noocsharp> i use it on my laptop, i just use ethernet on desktop
[2021-12-07T02:39:01Z] <cem> I do move around a lot with my laptop, so this was a huge annoyance for me. Trying to find the network name, using scripts, dealing with weird name schemes was my little personal hell. Now I do all of that in a couple of seconds with tab completion etc.
[2021-12-07T02:41:16Z] <noocsharp> recently i heard something about iwd being faster than wpa_supplicant
[2021-12-07T02:41:20Z] <noocsharp> is this true in your experience?
[2021-12-07T02:41:29Z] <noocsharp> faster to connect to networks that is
[2021-12-07T02:42:50Z] <cem> Yes, it is
[2021-12-07T02:45:11Z] <cem> If you have two auto-connect wifis, and you disconnect from one, it will immediately connect to the other
[2021-12-07T02:46:52Z] <noocsharp> neat
[2021-12-07T02:49:05Z] <cem> Yeah, the wifi reception in my campus is actually pretty bad, and it constantly disconnects everyone. Though I don't even feel it that much because it connects to the other router as soon as it disconnects
[2021-12-07T02:51:43Z] <noocsharp> i think my campus has wifi setup as some sort of mesh network so everything is seamless on the client end, just feels like one network
[2021-12-07T03:00:59Z] <acheam> ugh I wish mine was like that
[2021-12-07T03:01:08Z] <acheam> it is a mesh network
[2021-12-07T03:01:22Z] <acheam> but if I'd say walk between buildings
[2021-12-07T03:01:25Z] <acheam> and disconnect in the middle
[2021-12-07T03:01:36Z] <acheam> oBSD would still try to connect to the wifi in the first building
[2021-12-07T03:01:39Z] <acheam> or something like that
[2021-12-07T03:01:49Z] <acheam> would require all sorts of finagling to convince it that somethings changed
[2021-12-07T03:02:07Z] <acheam> hopefully 
[2021-12-07T03:13:19Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-12-07T03:13:23Z] <acheam> Hi!
[2021-12-07T03:14:19Z] <acheam> whats up?
[2021-12-07T03:16:21Z] <testuser[m]> Nothing
[2021-12-07T03:19:26Z] <acheam> How interesting
[2021-12-07T03:58:52Z] <cem> noocsharp: we have two mesh networks, one for students and one for guests. my computer swaps between them as they equally suck
[2021-12-07T05:14:40Z] <acheam> cem: any difference between them?
[2021-12-07T05:14:51Z] <acheam> for us the guest network is throttled
[2021-12-07T05:15:00Z] <acheam> also no access to printers or anything else on the lan obvs
[2021-12-07T10:13:08Z] <phoebos> cem: i didn't know you had dbus on carbs
[2021-12-07T10:13:42Z] <phoebos> btw looks like there's a typo here: https://github.com/CarbsLinux/repository/blob/master/dbus/dbus/build#L14
[2021-12-07T13:04:05Z] <cem> phoebos[m]: Thanks! I didn't notice that
[2021-12-07T13:05:45Z] <cem> And yes, I have packaged dbus on carbs, but in a way that it's sort of isolated
[2021-12-07T13:06:49Z] <cem> I use notifications, bluetooth, and iwd on my laptop
[2021-12-07T13:07:25Z] <testuser[m]> isolate how'
[2021-12-07T13:08:27Z] <cem> well, there is a specific repository just for dbus tooling, the packages outside don't depend on dbus
[2021-12-07T13:08:46Z] <testuser[m]> oh i thought u meant in runtime
[2021-12-07T13:08:48Z] <cem> so, if you're not a fan of dbus, don't add the repository to your path
[2021-12-07T13:08:57Z] <cem> ah no
[2021-12-07T13:11:22Z] <cem> I'm also planning on adding a pipewire repository
[2021-12-07T13:11:48Z] <testuser[m]> it works without dbus except screen sharing
[2021-12-07T13:12:46Z] <cem> screen sharing depends on dbus?
[2021-12-07T13:12:59Z] <testuser[m]> yeah
[2021-12-07T13:13:08Z] <testuser[m]> other stuff depends on dbus too but doesnt use it
[2021-12-07T13:13:13Z] <testuser[m]> so i added ifdefs
[2021-12-07T13:15:38Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/git-bruh/kiss-repo/tree/master/repo/pipewire/patches
[2021-12-07T13:18:02Z] <cem> nice, thanks testuser[m] 
[2021-12-07T18:11:02Z] <testuser[m]> http://0x0.st/-FzZ.jpg
[2021-12-07T18:14:10Z] <noocsharp> is that real
[2021-12-07T18:20:15Z] <noocsharp> it is not real
[2021-12-07T18:24:52Z] <sereg> hi there, is there somewhere i can read up on using the /etc/ld-musl-$ARCH.path? As it seems i must do this instead of using ldconfig since i'm using musl
[2021-12-07T18:27:39Z] <testuser[m]> sereg: just use ld.so.conf 
[2021-12-07T18:27:50Z] <testuser[m]> i think musl supports it
[2021-12-07T18:33:26Z] <sereg> just throw the .so file path i want in /etc/ld.so.conf?  thanks! 
[2021-12-07T18:34:00Z] <testuser[m]> Not path u just have to put the directory that it is present in
[2021-12-07T18:34:05Z] <testuser[m]> like /usr/local/lib
[2021-12-07T18:35:04Z] <sereg> i see, thanks muchly! 
[2021-12-07T18:35:53Z] <testuser[m]> U can confirm whether the file is ld.so.conf or ld-musl-bla.path with strace
[2021-12-07T18:36:06Z] <testuser[m]> it will show at the beginning of the log  
[2021-12-07T18:36:31Z] <testuser[m]> strace /usr/bin/anybin 2>&1 | grep /etc/ld
[2021-12-07T18:39:08Z] <testuser[m]> U can also just export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib or whatever
[2021-12-07T18:41:57Z] <sereg> thank you for the lesson 
[2021-12-07T18:42:55Z] <testuser[m]> Np
[2021-12-07T21:47:01Z] <cot> So freenode.net just turned into a cheap reddit clone...
[2021-12-07T22:01:32Z] <phoebos> wow it did
[2021-12-07T22:01:34Z] <phoebos> hi cot 
[2021-12-07T22:01:49Z] <phoebos> how's sabbatical
[2021-12-07T22:02:15Z] <phoebos> is/was?
[2021-12-07T22:06:17Z] <cot> phoebos: still technically in effect :) pretty well I should say, I only check HN once a week instead of once an hour
[2021-12-07T22:07:13Z] <noocsharp> an internet sabbatical?
[2021-12-07T22:09:10Z] <cot> yeah
[2021-12-07T22:09:38Z] <cot> Plus I mostly stayed away from hobbyist programming
[2021-12-07T22:09:49Z] <cot> I felt I was getting a bit too obsessed with some projects
[2021-12-07T22:12:33Z] <phoebos> that sounds good :)
[2021-12-07T22:19:04Z] <phoebos> unrelated, but scheme manpages: https://github.com/schemedoc/manpages
[2021-12-07T22:22:09Z] <cot> Nice
[2021-12-07T22:22:26Z] <cot> I wish other langs would also provide offline docs like that
[2021-12-07T22:25:38Z] <acheam> oh hey cot
[2021-12-07T22:25:39Z] <cem> oh wow that freenode page
[2021-12-07T22:25:41Z] <cem> hey cot
[2021-12-07T22:26:10Z] <acheam> lmaooo freenode
[2021-12-07T22:27:04Z] <acheam> cot: how do you keep yourself from checking HN/IRC/etc
[2021-12-07T22:29:24Z] <cem> acheam: finding something else to do is always best
[2021-12-07T22:29:29Z] <cem> like i used to check reddit a lot
[2021-12-07T22:29:32Z] <cem> now i don't
[2021-12-07T22:29:37Z] <cem> now i check instagram a lot
[2021-12-07T22:29:39Z] <cem> :^(
[2021-12-07T22:31:21Z] <acheam> lmao
[2021-12-07T22:34:11Z] <noocsharp> several layers of site blocking software
[2021-12-07T22:35:30Z] <phoebos> /etc/hosts
[2021-12-07T22:35:58Z] <noocsharp> that's one layer in my system
[2021-12-07T22:36:59Z] <noocsharp> it would be cool if the framework laptop had a wifi card module
[2021-12-07T22:37:09Z] <noocsharp> so you could just pull it out and no internet
[2021-12-07T23:34:15Z] <cot> acheam, cem: hey :)
[2021-12-07T23:34:47Z] <cot> acheam: I don't know, once I decided not to chat on IRC I just didn't (unless I was looking for technical support in a project-specific channel)
[2021-12-07T23:34:58Z] <cot> for HN, an /etc/hosts did the trick
[2021-12-07T23:35:16Z] <cot> Most of the time I check HN/lobsters, it's an unconscious reflex when I'm bored
[2021-12-07T23:36:13Z] <cot> It helps too that HN/lobsters/reddit take upwards of 20 seconds to load on my raspberry pi
[2021-12-07T23:36:30Z] <cot> It's an extra 20 seconds to reconsider whether I want to waste the next hour
[2021-12-07T23:40:58Z] <cot> What cëm said too; most of the time I waste is now on dcss instead of newsletters/blogs/etc :|