[2022-11-21T04:59:42Z] <wael_> Hi
[2022-11-21T05:55:10Z] <midfavila> hello
[2022-11-21T08:29:56Z] <testuser[m]> hi
[2022-11-21T09:52:36Z] <virutalmachineus> I'm currently using a rust mircokernel with a crypto blockchain userspace. Elon musk was right about blockchain mars, it's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
[2022-11-21T11:33:13Z] <testuser[m]> Spin up fully configured dev environments on powerful VMs that start in seconds. Get up to 60 hours a month of free time. 
[2022-11-21T11:40:01Z] <testuser[m]> can we go ahed with b3 now
[2022-11-21T12:46:39Z] <illiliti> what's stopping us?
[2022-11-21T12:55:16Z] <testuser[m]> nothing
[2022-11-21T12:55:19Z] <testuser[m]> i just have to merge
[2022-11-21T12:55:25Z] <testuser[m]> and make the draft release public
[2022-11-21T12:59:07Z] <testuser[m]> done
[2022-11-21T13:05:37Z] <illiliti> nice
[2022-11-21T13:18:46Z] <midfavila> "b3"?
[2022-11-21T13:30:22Z] <illiliti> blake3 checksums
[2022-11-21T13:34:48Z] <midfavila> aaah
[2022-11-21T13:34:59Z] <midfavila> reminds me that i need to give implementing cksum a shot
[2022-11-21T13:43:34Z] <illiliti> why would you implement a broken tool?
[2022-11-21T13:56:12Z] <midfavila> practice
[2022-11-21T13:56:36Z] <midfavila> i have little programming experience, and less implementing from spec
[2022-11-21T13:56:43Z] <midfavila> even less in terms of implementing algorithms 
[2022-11-21T14:14:45Z] <illiliti> try diff or patch
[2022-11-21T14:15:09Z] <illiliti> you'll learn algorithms there
[2022-11-21T14:15:20Z] <midfavila> on the list, but later
[2022-11-21T14:15:34Z] <illiliti> ok
[2022-11-21T14:15:38Z] <midfavila> as I implement programs I'm also replacing parts of my userland with them, so I want to be more competent before I work on those
[2022-11-21T14:15:56Z] <midfavila> idea being I'm more likely to uncover implementation errors if I daily my own software
[2022-11-21T14:16:02Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2022-11-21T17:46:49Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/udevbe/greenfield
[2022-11-21T19:22:12Z] <Guest74> Is anybody here?
[2022-11-21T19:25:16Z] <midfavila> 56 are by my count
[2022-11-21T19:27:30Z] <Guest74> How many seconds (average) does kisslinux boot up?
[2022-11-21T19:30:41Z] <midfavila> - w-
[2022-11-21T19:45:03Z] <wael_> midfavila
[2022-11-21T19:45:07Z] <wael_> <Guest74> "How many seconds (average..." <- if all you are about is boot time
[2022-11-21T19:45:08Z] <wael_> make your own init
[2022-11-21T19:45:32Z] <Guest74> Didn't understand
[2022-11-21T19:45:56Z] <wael_> what
[2022-11-21T19:46:04Z] <midfavila> disengage
[2022-11-21T19:46:06Z] <wael_> tl;dr dont worry about it
[2022-11-21T19:46:13Z] <wael_> boot time is not important
[2022-11-21T19:49:30Z] <Guest74> midfavila, then I will describe the question in other words: How long does it take from turning on the computer to the appearance of the desktop?
[2022-11-21T19:50:02Z] <midfavila> I understood your question. That you would ask it shows you know nothing of how KISS operates, and as such indicates the tools aren't for you.
[2022-11-21T19:50:27Z] <midfavila> If you had taken the time to read the KISS website, you would know that to ask how quickly KISS boots makes no sense.
[2022-11-21T20:00:11Z] <wael_> <Guest74> "midfavila, then I will describe..." <- youre the type of guy to shit on systemd without understanding innit
[2022-11-21T20:26:36Z] <cem> and what's wrong about caring about init time?
[2022-11-21T20:27:00Z] <cem> I very much do
[2022-11-21T20:28:48Z] <midfavila> in this instance the problem is that KISS has no standard boot system. asking how fast kiss boots is absurd because every kiss system has a potentially wildly different init scheme, userspace, development toolchain, toolchain environment variables, and so on
[2022-11-21T20:29:14Z] <midfavila> it's like asking how fast gentoo boots - *who knows*? every gentoo system is different
[2022-11-21T20:30:38Z] <cem> Eh, the way the default init scripts work in kiss doesn't leave much for the init program itself
[2022-11-21T20:31:08Z] <cem> There is no difference in boot time with my scripts whether I use runit or shinit or busybox init
[2022-11-21T20:31:47Z] <cem> So I don't think there's a huge difference as the init scripts are pretty lean and simple
[2022-11-21T20:32:25Z] <cem> It's nothing wrong to be curious and ask
[2022-11-21T20:32:52Z] <cem> For me it takes a second or two to boot into my system
[2022-11-21T20:33:30Z] <cem> Obviously it will be longer depending on your system complexity, and your hardware Guest74 
[2022-11-21T20:43:31Z] <Guest74> cem, do you have hdd or ssd?
[2022-11-21T20:43:44Z] <cem> nvme
[2022-11-21T20:44:11Z] <cem> However, it wasn't much slower with my previous computer that had an hdd
[2022-11-21T20:44:33Z] <cem> Oh actually that's not true, sorry
[2022-11-21T20:44:49Z] <cem> My root partition was on an nvme and my home partition was on hdd on that computer
[2022-11-21T23:32:36Z] <sad_plan> o/
[2022-11-21T23:35:04Z] <sad_plan> strange. is anyone else having issues with enter not working when kiss prompts to install packages?
[2022-11-21T23:37:30Z] <sad_plan> hm. didnt happen on a chroot. maybe its my setup giving me issues