[tech] reverse proxy gemini

1. Vincent A. (vincent (a) valvin.fr)

Hello,

My curiosity about Gemini lead me to think about how to host easily many
different domain on the same server.

I have a simple idea which consists in publishing static content from a
git repository. And allow users to update their content by updating a
git repository and maybe through an interface later.

For this I imagine using containerization with an existing gemini
server. Here I've tested Agate :
https://gitlab.com/valvin/gemini-agate-image

Deploying a single hostname is ok. But I'm wondering how to deploy many
hostnames using the same public IP(v4) address. With HTTP we are used to
deploy a reverse proxy (nginx, haproxy, traefik...). It allowes then to
split traffic based on the DNS name requested in the "Host" header.

TCP load-balacing doesn't allow this I think but maybe I'm wrong. It
requires to get the information of hostname in the request.

So I'm wondering if there is not yet something that has been done about
this. Or maybe I miss somethin
g in TCP load-balancing and it is possible
to do this already.


Thank you

Valvin.

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2. mieum (mieum (a) namu.blue)

I'm sure others here will have better advice for you, but would a
vhosts-capable server such as gemsrv or gmnisrv suit your needs?

~mieum

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3. Hugo Wetterberg (hugo (a) wetterberg.nu)

I had almost the same use-case for my small gemini server and wrote a
proxy that only does vhost routing:

gemini://repos.wetterberg.nu/~hugo_wetterberg/gemini-proxy

But if you're serving static files/some CGI you're probably better off
following mieums advice and use a server that uses different docroots
for different hostnames. Then you don't have to layer different proxies
and servers, and it's easy to combine that workflow with git post-
recieve hooks that generates the static files.

/Hugo

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4. Dave Cottlehuber (dch (a) skunkwerks.at)

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, at 09:40, Vincent A. wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My curiosity about Gemini lead me to think about how to host easily many
> different domain on the same server.
>
> Deploying a single hostname is ok. But I'm wondering how to deploy many
> hostnames using the same public IP(v4) address. With HTTP we are used to
> deploy a reverse proxy (nginx, haproxy, traefik...). It allowes then to
> split traffic based on the DNS name requested in the "Host" header.

With modern TLS, we use "Server Name Indication" to accommodate this. 
The client stuffs the requested domain name into the TLS negotiation's
ClientHello.

>From the gemini spec:

4 TLS

Use of TLS for Gemini transactions is mandatory. Use of the Server Name
Indication (SNI) extension to TLS is also mandatory, to facilitate name-based
virtual hosting. 

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication & 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6066 for more details.

A+
Dave

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5. Omar Polo (op (a) omarpolo.com)


Vincent A. <vincent at valvin.fr> writes:

> Hello,
>
> My curiosity about Gemini lead me to think about how to host easily many
> different domain on the same server.
>
> I have a simple idea which consists in publishing static content from a
> git repository. And allow users to update their content by updating a
> git repository and maybe through an interface later.
>
> For this I imagine using containerization with an existing gemini
> server. Here I've tested Agate :
> https://gitlab.com/valvin/gemini-agate-image
>
> Deploying a single hostname is ok. But I'm wondering how to deploy many
> hostnames using the same public IP(v4) address. With HTTP we are used to
> deploy a reverse proxy (nginx, haproxy, traefik...). It allowes then to
> split traffic based on the DNS name requested in the "Host" header.
>
> TCP load-balacing doesn't allow this I think but maybe I'm wrong. It
> requires to get the information of hostname in the request.
>
> So I'm wondering if there is not yet something that has been done about
> this. Or maybe I miss somethin
> g in TCP load-balancing and it is possible
> to do this already.
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Valvin.

As Dave was saying, SNI is madatory on Gemini; clients during the TLS
handshake tells the server which domain they want to talk to, and so the
server can use the correct certificate and serve the right stuff.
Support for this varies between servers.

Agate supports multiple hosts it, search for "Virtual Hosts" (that's how
they're called) in the readme, but with the limitation of only one
certificate.  Other servers (I'll shameless advertise my own) like
gmid[0] or solene' vger[1] supports multiple virtual hosts, with
different certificates too.

Cheers,

Omar Polo

[0]: https://github.com/omar-polo/gmid/
[1]: https://tildegit.org/solene/vger

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6. Vincent A. (vincent (a) valvin.fr)

Hello and thank you all for you replies.

It looks SNI is what I was looking for. In my use case I'd like each
virtual host runs individually whith their own certificates but hosted
on the same IP.

I think Hugo solution already implements something near of what I need.
I'll test it quickly.

It looks I have many things to discover like all the server
implementations ;)

Valvin

Le 21/02/2021 ? 16:52, Omar Polo a ?crit?:
>
> Vincent A. <vincent at valvin.fr> writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My curiosity about Gemini lead me to think about how to host easily many
>> different domain on the same server.
>>
>> I have a simple idea which consists in publishing static content from a
>> git repository. And allow users to update their content by updating a
>> git repository and maybe through an interface later.
>>
>> For this I imagine using containerization with an existing gemini
>> server. Here I've tested Agate :
>> https://gitlab.com/valvin/gemini-agate-image
>>
>> Deploying a single hostname is ok. But I'm wondering how to deploy many
>> hostnames using the same public IP(v4) address. With HTTP we are used to
>> deploy a reverse proxy (nginx, haproxy, traefik...). It allowes then to
>> split traffic based on the DNS name requested in the "Host" header.
>>
>> TCP load-balacing doesn't allow this I think but maybe I'm wrong. It
>> requires to get the information of hostname in the request.
>>
>> So I'm wondering if there is not yet something that has been done about
>> this. Or maybe I miss somethin
>> g in TCP load-balancing and it is possible
>> to do this already.
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Valvin.
> As Dave was saying, SNI is madatory on Gemini; clients during the TLS
> handshake tells the server which domain they want to talk to, and so the
> server can use the correct certificate and serve the right stuff.
> Support for this varies between servers.
>
> Agate supports multiple hosts it, search for "Virtual Hosts" (that's how
> they're called) in the readme, but with the limitation of only one
> certificate.  Other servers (I'll shameless advertise my own) like
> gmid[0] or solene' vger[1] supports multiple virtual hosts, with
> different certificates too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Omar Polo
>
> [0]: https://github.com/omar-polo/gmid/
> [1]: https://tildegit.org/solene/vger
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7. KΓ©vin (lists (a) oh.mg)

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Le dimanche 21 f?vrier 2021 ? 10:40, Vincent A. <vincent at valvin.fr> a ?crit :

> My curiosity about Gemini lead me to think about how to host easily many 
different domain on the same server.

Le dimanche 21 f?vrier 2021 ? 11:25, mieum <mieum at namu.blue> a ?crit :

> I'm sure others here will have better advice for you, but would a 
vhosts-capable server such as gemsrv or gmnisrv suit your needs?

I second gmnisrv, it's what I currently use and I have a couple of legacy 
domains running in separate doc roots with their own certs.  It handles 
its own cert generation too.

I've found it incredibly simple to set up, modify the ini file with the 
hostname, root directory for the content, and start-up gmnisrv.

Also don't take the stability of the oh.mg gemini server as any indication 
of gmnisrv.  I run it on a terrible VM with practically no memory and a 
lot of hope.  But it works for the most part.

-K?vin
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