Jonathan McHugh indieterminacy at libre.brussels
Sun Jun 13 15:30:15 BST 2021
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Hi Stephane,
Thanks for your interest.
Stephane Bortzmeyer <stephane at sources.org> writes:
On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 03:17:35PM +0200,
Jonathan McHugh <indieterminacy at libre.brussels> wrote
Is there a style like Bit.ly for url shortening? Which still
respects Gemini design principles?
I don't think any URI redirector could respect Gemini design
principles. For instance, these redirectors are a privacy issue.
I have no desire to redirect users.
Im thinking in terms of inline reference to unclutter a large paragraphwhile still collecting the urls below a section or as a footer.
Would it be interesting for there to be a (de)centralised site, which
provides?:
* A dictionary of url links
* Appropriate hashes that can be used for publishing or client
(re)interpretations.
WHat is exactly the problem you are trying to solve? I can imagine
some uses for such a site but I'm not sure which you had in mind.
I would prefer to work to a standard equivalent to wikipediacontent. IMHO. Its a good expectation for managing content, irrespectiveof site or service.
As an example, the HTTP wikipedia page for Gemini Protocol starts with thisparagraph=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)```The Gemini protocol is an application layer protocol for distributed hypertext information systems that provides access to simple, primarily textual documents in Gemini space. This is done with contemporary technologies such as TLS, thereby improving privacy and user agency relative to the Web. Servers run by default on port 1965. The protocol is being designed collaboratively and is not currently being standardized as an internet standard. ```Pasting this echews 6 uri links:=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_layer=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_space=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_standard
Naturally these are all unternal links, which could be referenced ifneeded. I expect serving ALL references as a footer bibliopgraphy isequitable.
I do not know whether clients or users have policies for 'folding away'cross references for obvious/queryable suggestions.
The next paragraph contains 2 internal navigation links and 2 internal citations:```The design is inspired by the Gopher protocol, but mandates the use of Transport Layer Security with trust on first use (TOFU)[1] and privacy-related features. It is not intended to replace Gopher or HTTP, but to co-exist with them.[2]```=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_protocol_suite=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_on_first_use=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)#cite_note-1=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)#cite_note-faq-2
The use of [:digit:] doesnt seem to be stable for content(intentionally) containing square brackets, such as in lua```x = foo[1]```
The proxy Gopherpedia eschews internal links and citations for thecontent it generates.
I have come across this repo for proxying wiki content with Gemini but Ihavent come across a working service yet=
https://github.com/pitr/wp
I dont know whether there are are successful CMS approaches for cleanlymanaging links.
I have been reminising about the social bookmarking site Delicious. Idbe happy if by aggregate or by project I was capable of having moresolid references across documents and references.
I have been intrigued by the potential of Emacs' Hyperbole as amechanism for interpreting content and interfacing with it. Given thatit cooperate with (the Gemini client) Emacs' Elpher I would like tothink there could be utility=
https://www.gnu.org/software/hyperbole/DEMO.html#Social-Media-Hashtags-and-Usernames
Approaches include``` [facebook|instagram|twitter][#@]<hashtag-or-username> [fb|in|tw][#@]<hashtag-or-username> gh#rswgnu/hyperbole/5ae3550 (if include user, must include project) github#hyperbole/5ae3550 (project can be given with user default) gh#5ae3550 (user and project defaults are used) git#/hyperbole (displays the top directory of the hyperbole repository) git#/hyperbole/55a1f0 (displays hyperbole git commit diff) git#=hactypes.el (displays a git-versioned file regardless of directory) git#=master:kotl/kview.el (displays file in subdirectory from master branch) gt#55a1f0 (when within a git repo, displays its commit diff)``` As well as this``` A document id is used just like a reference citation in traditional publications but it actually links to the document that it references and the card catalog (index) entry for the document. One can easily pass around doc ids to point people to appropriate documents. For example, a mail message in response to a question might say, "See [Emacs-001] for examples of what Emacs can do."```
Here is a Hyperbole mailing list thread, concerning my generation ofnavigation links to anchored queries (based upon searching myfilesystem)=
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/hyperbole-users/2021-05/msg00050.html
I would like to have content served to me in Elpher, with actionablelinks that permit me to visit links with little fuss. If I can consume(or create) content like wikipedia with the links but with minimal URI noise, itwould make me happy.
--Jonathan McHughindieterminacy at libre.brussels