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Andrew Singleton <singletona082 (a) gmail.com>

=> https://singletona082.flounder.online/
HTTP flavor

=> gemini://singletona082.flounder.online/
Gemini flavor

the web proxy renders it as raw gemtext, and lagrange says 'preformatted
text without caption' until I click on it and then it behaves 'correctly'

Then again the server itself seems to have gone down. So that may be
relevant. I'm just 'what did I do wrong'? The fact this happens right as I
swap back to linux and thus FTP clients feels not coincidental.

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Stephane Bortzmeyer <stephane (a) sources.org>

On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 04:28:38PM -0500,
 Andrew Singleton <singletona082 at gmail.com> wrote 
 a message of 32 lines which said:

> the web proxy renders it as raw gemtext, and lagrange says 'preformatted
> text without caption' until I click on it and then it behaves 'correctly'

Strange, since I see no preformatted text on this page.

> Then again the server itself seems to have gone down.

Works for me.

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Andrew Singleton <singletona082 (a) gmail.com>

Removed the predormstted text to see if that was the issue. On both. Main 
index and gemlog index first lines aren't rendering (shows the h1#) unsure 
why it would do that past the fact for some danged reason filesilla opened 
the gmi files in ligroffice (by default it opens in xed if I just double 
click on the file.)

Jul 5, 2021 2:28:07 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer <stephane at sources.org>:

> On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 04:28:38PM -0500,
> Andrew Singleton <singletona082 at gmail.com> wrote
> a message of 32 lines which said:
> 
>> the web proxy renders it as raw gemtext, and lagrange says 'preformatted
>> text without caption' until I click on it and then it behaves 'correctly'
> 
> Strange, since I see no preformatted text on this page.
> 
>> Then again the server itself seems to have gone down.
> 
> Works for me.

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neil c timms <mingmengtou (a) use.startmail.com>

On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 2:33 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
> Removed the predormstted text to see if that was the issue. On both.
> Main index and gemlog index first lines aren't rendering (shows the h1#)
> unsure why it would do that past the fact for some danged reason
> filesilla opened the gmi files in ligroffice (by default it opens in xed
> if I just double click on the file.)
i might be picking up the wrong end of the stick here but:

would a space after the # help fix things and the page 
source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
:
?#Cheapie Theatre

my own page source again from lagrange starts with just a #:
# neil in gemini space

could be a non-printing nasty char in the file.
Cheers Neil

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Andrew Singleton <singletona082 (a) gmail.com>

Nice thought but sadly no. May just rcrat and reupload the file to see if 
libre office did some kind of funky thing.

Jul 5, 2021 9:26:54 AM neil c timms <mingmengtou at use.startmail.com>:

> On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 2:33 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
>> Removed the predormstted text to see if that was the issue. On both.
>> Main index and gemlog index first lines aren't rendering (shows the h1#)
>> unsure why it would do that past the fact for some danged reason
>> filesilla opened the gmi files in ligroffice (by default it opens in xed
>> if I just double click on the file.)
> i might be picking up the wrong end of the stick here but:
> 
> would a space after the # help fix things and the page
> source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
> from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
> :
> ?#Cheapie Theatre
> 
> my own page source again from lagrange starts with just a #:
> # neil in gemini space
> 
> could be a non-printing nasty char in the file.
> Cheers Neil

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neil c timms <mingmengtou (a) use.startmail.com>

On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 5:20 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
> Nice thought but sadly no. May just rcrat and reupload the file to see
> if libre office did some kind of funky thing.
>
> > source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
> > from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
it still looks like your source page starts with <efff> a bom
(byte order mark). " Its presence interferes with the use of UTF-8 by
software that does not expect non-ASCII bytes at the start of a file but
that could otherwise handle the text stream."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark) i had included it in my
scrape of your page from Lagrange but i guess that it was filtered out 
for good reason in the trip from here to there, etc. i suggest looking
at your page source from Lagrange in an editor that supports making the
invisible visible:-) Other pages i scraped do not start with a bom.
I now remember having a battle with a bom many moons ago: most
confusing things as we can't see them easily yet they cause us pain.
Live long and prosper V Neil

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Andrew Singleton <singletona082 (a) gmail.com>

Dude, thanks.

So ya. Next step is figuring out how to make filesilla use an actual text 
editor instead of opening freaking office.

Appreciate the help.

Jul 5, 2021 1:48:18 PM neil c timms <mingmengtou at use.startmail.com>:

> On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 5:20 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
>> Nice thought but sadly no. May just rcrat and reupload the file to see
>> if libre office did some kind of funky thing.
>> 
>>> source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
>>> from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
> it still looks like your source page starts with <efff> a bom
> (byte order mark). " Its presence interferes with the use of UTF-8 by
> software that does not expect non-ASCII bytes at the start of a file but
> that could otherwise handle the text stream."
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark) i had included it in my
> scrape of your page from Lagrange but i guess that it was filtered out
> for good reason in the trip from here to there, etc. i suggest looking
> at your page source from Lagrange in an editor that supports making the
> invisible visible:-) Other pages i scraped do not start with a bom.
> I now remember having a battle with a bom many moons ago: most
> confusing things as we can't see them easily yet they cause us pain.
> Live long and prosper V Neil

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Andrew Singleton <singletona082 (a) gmail.com>

Alright ya, using notepad++ to specifically remove BaoM fixed the problem. 
Again appcist the help, and credited the list on the blog post announcing the fix.

Jul 5, 2021 4:16:48 PM Andrew Singleton <singletona082 at gmail.com>:

> Dude, thanks.
> 
> So ya. Next step is figuring out how to make filesilla use an actual 
text editor instead of opening freaking office.
> 
> Appreciate the help.
> 
> Jul 5, 2021 1:48:18 PM neil c timms <mingmengtou at use.startmail.com>:
> 
>> On Mon Jul 5, 2021 at 5:20 PM BST, Andrew Singleton wrote:
>>> Nice thought but sadly no. May just rcrat and reupload the file to see
>>> if libre office did some kind of funky thing.
>>> 
>>>> source has a <feff> in front of the # when page sourced
>>>> from Lagrange and fed direct to vim or via mousepad and then vim
>> it still looks like your source page starts with <efff> a bom
>> (byte order mark). " Its presence interferes with the use of UTF-8 by
>> software that does not expect non-ASCII bytes at the start of a file but
>> that could otherwise handle the text stream."
>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark) i had included it in my
>> scrape of your page from Lagrange but i guess that it was filtered out
>> for good reason in the trip from here to there, etc. i suggest looking
>> at your page source from Lagrange in an editor that supports making the
>> invisible visible:-) Other pages i scraped do not start with a bom.
>> I now remember having a battle with a bom many moons ago: most
>> confusing things as we can't see them easily yet they cause us pain.
>> Live long and prosper V Neil

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