A proposal to fund the Gemini project

Stephane Bortzmeyer <stephane (a) sources.org>

To sell it as a NFT!

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57474504

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Ben <benulo (a) systemli.org>

Thanks, I hate it.

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Jonathan McHugh <indieterminacy (a) libre.brussels>

You can have an NFT for this email should you fancy it.

:)


Stephane Bortzmeyer <stephane at sources.org> writes:

> To sell it as a NFT!
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57474504


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Jonathan Lane <tidux (a) sdf.org>

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 09:45:07AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> To sell it as a NFT!
> 
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57474504

How do I delete somebody else's post?

In all seriousness, NFTs are an abstraction layer nobody needs.  Just
set up a legal entity for the project and accept donations.  Bitcoin,
Monero, Litecoin, Ethereum, Dogecoin, US Dollars, Euros, etc.
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The Doctor <drwho (a) virtadpt.net>


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On Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 at 00:45, Stephane Bortzmeyer <stephane at 
sources.org> wrote:

> To sell it as a NFT!
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57474504

Nope.

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Almaember <almaember (a) disroot.org>

On 16/06/2021 09:45, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> To sell it as a NFT!
> 
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57474504

Nopperino.

What do you even want to sell? A publicly available specification?

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Carsten Strotmann <carsten (a) strotmann.de>

Hi,

On 16 Jun 2021, at 21:44, Almaember wrote:

> What do you even want to sell? A publicly available specification?

how about selling all the suggested Gemini extension that have been shot 
down and will not be implemented as NFT?

Greetings

Carsten

P.S.: I sense that some people read Stephane suggestion too serious.

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Almaember <almaember (a) disroot.org>

On 16/06/2021 21:54, Carsten Strotmann wrote:

> P.S.: I sense that some people read Stephane suggestion too serious.

Yup, I'm pretty sure I made that mistake.

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On Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 at 13:03, Almaember <almaember at disroot.org> wrote:

> > P.S.: I sense that some people read Stephane suggestion too serious.
>
> Yup, I'm pretty sure I made that mistake.

To be fair, it is kinda hard to tell these days.

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Andrew Singleton <singletona082 (a) gmail.com>

In fairness, if you had told me six years ago the US would have had a 
president that is a former reality tv star, a riot started by that 
president's supporters, and people during a modern pandemic screaming st 
how basic health and safety measures were impeding on their feedomd I 
would have told you to try being a little more realistic when writing your 
dystopian opening to a cyberpunk setting.

Yet here we are. I hadn't commented on this before now because I wasn't 
sure if it was someone beig sincere or just yanking our collective chain for a laugh.

My kingdom for sarcasm tags goes the refrain that's existed for the past forty years.

Jun 17, 2021 12:22:54 PM The Doctor <drwho at virtadpt.net>:

> 
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> 
> On Wednesday, June 16th, 2021 at 13:03, Almaember <almaember at disroot.org> wrote:
> 
>>> P.S.: I sense that some people read Stephane suggestion too serious.
>> 
>> Yup, I'm pretty sure I made that mistake.
> 
> To be fair, it is kinda hard to tell these days.
> 
> The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
> WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
> The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born. Now is 
the time of monsters.

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KΓ©vin <gemini (a) ml.oh.mg>

I think it's a great idea, but only if we agree to sell it with a link 
that only works for 35 seconds then becomes more useless than it was in the first place.

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Le mercredi 16 juin 2021 ? 09:48, Stephane Bortzmeyer - stephane at sources.org a ?crit :

> To sell it as a NFT!
> 

> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57474504

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Alex // nytpu <alex (a) nytpu.com>

On 2021-06-19 11:20AM, K?vin wrote:
> I think it's a great idea, but only if we agree to sell it with a link
> that only works for 35 seconds then becomes more useless than it was
> in the first place.
I still think my plan to buy all the domains that host NFT resources and
have them respond to all requests with goatse is a genius idea.

~nytpu

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KΓ©vin <gemini (a) ml.oh.mg>

I'm not condoning this at all




... but when can you do this and is there a go fund me available for this worthy cause ?

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Le samedi 19 juin 2021 ? 16:48, Alex // nytpu - alex at nytpu.com a ?crit :

> On 2021-06-19 11:20AM, K?vin wrote:
> 

> > I think it's a great idea, but only if we agree to sell it with a link
> > 

> > that only works for 35 seconds then becomes more useless than it was
> > 

> > in the first place.
> 

> I still think my plan to buy all the domains that host NFT resources and
> 

> have them respond to all requests with goatse is a genius idea.
> 

> ~nytpu
> 

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 

> Alex // nytpu
> 

> alex at nytpu.com
> 

> gpg --locate-external-key alex at nytpu.com
> 

> Key fingerprint: 43A5 890C EE85 EA1F 8C88 9492 ECCD C07B 337B 8F5B
> 

> https://useplaintext.email/

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The Doctor <drwho (a) virtadpt.net>


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On Saturday, June 19th, 2021 at 09:35, K?vin <gemini at ml.oh.mg> wrote:

> I'm not condoning this at all

I am.

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indieterminacy@libre.brussels <indieterminacy (a) libre.brussels>

Surely having a tshirt capable of presenting the whole protocol is more 
interesting than an NFT?

A limited run (all in black) of 1 million, try buying all of them!

:)

June 19, 2021 4:48 PM, "Alex // nytpu" <alex at nytpu.com> wrote:

> On 2021-06-19 11:20AM, K?vin wrote:
> 
>> I think it's a great idea, but only if we agree to sell it with a link
>> that only works for 35 seconds then becomes more useless than it was
>> in the first place.
> 
> I still think my plan to buy all the domains that host NFT resources and
> have them respond to all requests with goatse is a genius idea.
> 
> ~nytpu
> 
> --
> Alex // nytpu
> alex at nytpu.com
> gpg --locate-external-key alex at nytpu.com
> Key fingerprint: 43A5 890C EE85 EA1F 8C88 9492 ECCD C07B 337B 8F5B
> https://useplaintext.email

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Stephane Bortzmeyer <stephane (a) sources.org>

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 12:11:37PM +0000,
 indieterminacy at libre.brussels <indieterminacy at libre.brussels> wrote 
 a message of 28 lines which said:

> having a tshirt capable of presenting the whole protocol

That's a very good idea. Alternative: a T-shirt with the source code
of a complete implementation :-)

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indieterminacy@libre.brussels <indieterminacy (a) libre.brussels>

I like that!

With a GPG public key barcode on the label one could additionally 
implement Tshirt Layer Security (Ill get my coat....).

Lets not get into folding techniques in order to improve compression, we 
can leave that to the client....

FYI, HSBXL does very nicely at events when they sell their tshirt with the inscription:
 ```
Ceci n?est pas une |
 ```


June 20, 2021 2:28 PM, "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <stephane at sources.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 12:11:37PM +0000,
> indieterminacy at libre.brussels <indieterminacy at libre.brussels> wrote 
> a message of 28 lines which said:
> 
>> having a tshirt capable of presenting the whole protocol
> 
> That's a very good idea. Alternative: a T-shirt with the source code
> of a complete implementation :-)

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The Doctor <drwho (a) virtadpt.net>


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On Sunday, June 20th, 2021 at 05:11, <indieterminacy at libre.brussels> wrote:

> Surely having a tshirt capable of presenting the whole protocol is more 
interesting than an NFT?

That would be pretty cool.  That's up there was a data format spec fitting 
onto a business card
or RSA in a .signature file.

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indieterminacy@libre.brussels <indieterminacy (a) libre.brussels>

Of course, each month one could (democratically) 'select' a Gemini 
implementation/improvement (character permitting), for creation as a 
tshirt, with the maximum run being 1965.

It could provide a polite mechanism for informally recognising positive 
developments, if not community milestones. Naturally, it could also create 
a bit of pocket money to support Gemini endeavours.


June 20, 2021 2:28 PM, "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <stephane at sources.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 12:11:37PM +0000,
> indieterminacy at libre.brussels <indieterminacy at libre.brussels> wrote 
> a message of 28 lines which said:
> 
>> having a tshirt capable of presenting the whole protocol
> 
> That's a very good idea. Alternative: a T-shirt with the source code
> of a complete implementation :-)

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Chris McGowan <cmcgowan9990 (a) gmail.com>

> With a GPG public key barcode on the label one could additionally 
implement Tshirt Layer Security (Ill get my coat....).

Reminds me of the the Munition T-Shirt that protested the (frankly 
stupid) encryption export laws in the US. (By the way, those are 
partially still in place...)

=> http://www.cypherspace.org/adam/shirt/uk-shirt.html The munition T-shirt

tl;dr the shirt had a 3 line implementation of the RSA algorithm on it 
as a Perl one-liner and a machine readable barcode representing that 
same program. Technically, under the law at the time (circa 1996), that 
made the shirt a "munition". No, I'm not kidding and yes it was stupid. 
If you tried to sell that shirt outside of the US or even simply showed 
it to a 'foreign national', you could be jailed for up to 10 years 
and/or fined up to $1,000,000.

It would be neat to have some sort of shirt that had a machine-readable 
minimal gemini server (or client) printed on it, but I think the TLS 
requirement would make that nearly impossible (max bytes for a QR code 
is ~4k).

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indieterminacy@libre.brussels <indieterminacy (a) libre.brussels>

Noice!

As an aside, since 1994, the UK is covered by legislation prohibiting:
 ```
"sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a 
succession of repetitive beats."
 ```
=> https://www.vice.com/en/article/78ab5d/warp-25-autechre-anti-ep

In response, the Manchester b-boys, Autechre, released an EP, Anti,which 
bore the following on its sleevenotes, to circumvent the anti-rave legislation:
 ```
Warning. Lost and Djarum contain repetitive beats. We advise you not to 
play these tracks if the Criminal Justice Bill becomes law. Flutter has 
been programmed in such a way that no bars contain identical beats and can 
therefore be played under the proposed new law. However, we advice DJs to 
have a lawyer and a musicologist present at all times to confirm the 
non-repetitive nature of the music in the event of police harassment.
 ```


Additionally, I recently successfully fought a local Belgian council, 
concerning their bureaucratic practices - which stipulated risks of 
imprisonment for 6 months and fines of 200 Belgian Francs (even though the 
Euro killed that currency ~ 20 years ago). 

The reason for this? This was their procedure for a 30 EUR expense form in 
Lieu of me reading Green Eggs and Ham at THEIR childrens literary 
festival. They even relented concerning the need to provide my adress, 
date of birth, banking details AND written signature unencrypted via 
classic email (FFS) - if only I could have sent them a tshirt instead!

Kind regards,


Jonathan


June 25, 2021 12:05 AM, "Chris McGowan" <cmcgowan9990 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> With a GPG public key barcode on the label one could additionally 
implement Tshirt Layer Security
>> (Ill get my coat....).
> 
> Reminds me of the the Munition T-Shirt that protested the (frankly 
stupid) encryption export laws
> in the US. (By the way, those are partially still in place...)
> 
> => http://www.cypherspace.org/adam/shirt/uk-shirt.html The munition T-shirt
> 
> tl;dr the shirt had a 3 line implementation of the RSA algorithm on it 
as a Perl one-liner and a
> machine readable barcode representing that same program. Technically, 
under the law at the time
> (circa 1996), that made the shirt a "munition". No, I'm not kidding and 
yes it was stupid. If you
> tried to sell that shirt outside of the US or even simply showed it to a 
'foreign national', you
> could be jailed for up to 10 years and/or fined up to $1,000,000.
> 
> It would be neat to have some sort of shirt that had a machine-readable 
minimal gemini server (or
> client) printed on it, but I think the TLS requirement would make that 
nearly impossible (max bytes
> for a QR code is ~4k).

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The Doctor <drwho (a) virtadpt.net>


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On Thursday, June 24th, 2021 at 15:05, Chris McGowan <cmcgowan9990 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reminds me of the the Munition T-Shirt that protested the (frankly
> stupid) encryption export laws in the US. (By the way, those are
> partially still in place...)

ITAR has gotten way less of a pain in the ass since 2000.  It still sucks to do the
paperwork but it's 10 pages now and not 120 and a bunch of phone calls with the
State Department.

> tl;dr the shirt had a 3 line implementation of the RSA algorithm on it
> as a Perl one-liner and a machine readable barcode representing that
> same program. Technically, under the law at the time (circa 1996), that
> made the shirt a "munition". No, I'm not kidding and yes it was stupid.

That was around the time that 2600 was also selling t-shirts that had the functional
diagram for DES to whoever had $25us to spend.  :)

> It would be neat to have some sort of shirt that had a machine-readable
> minimal gemini server (or client) printed on it, but I think the TLS
> requirement would make that nearly impossible (max bytes for a QR code
> is ~4k).

Depends on which TLS library you link in.

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