2020-08-28T03:10:03 #kisslinux <Fulton> I noticed pm-utils is not in the core, extra, or community repos. Is there a solid alternative? or should I just download and build?
2020-08-28T04:18:04 #kisslinux <konimex> you can build it and submit it to community repos
2020-08-28T10:20:19 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> Hello guys... me again... After playing with Kiss for a few days... Do you mind answering me a few questions?
2020-08-28T10:20:19 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> I think Kiss is only available in English... it's that right? I have not seen anything related to UTF-8... it is? When I do start startx my keyboard/mouse does not work but I'm member of "input" group and I have libinput and xf86-input-libinput installed (it worked once... but not anymore and I'm not able to find any issue). When I do "kiss update" I believe it updates the repositories and the installed packages (I
2020-08-28T10:20:19 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> need confirmation only)? "kiss orphaned" show me some package that I do not think are orphaned... I remember I did "kiss -r $(kiss orphaned)" and I broke a lot of things on my previous installation. The kernel will need to be updated by me manually, isn't it?
2020-08-28T10:20:19 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> I might probably come back with more questions but... these are the ones I have for now. I hope I don't bother anyone with them :)
2020-08-28T10:20:20 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> and... thanks... for your support, your patience and for creating this. I'm learning a lot and it's totally worth the effort :)
2020-08-28T10:23:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 1. Yes, English only. Browsers do support multiple languages. This is more about locale support.
2020-08-28T10:23:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 2. Send logs from Xorg and dmesg, otherwise no one can help you with your input issue.
2020-08-28T10:24:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 3. The output of kiss-orphans should not be fed directly to 'kiss r'. You are meant to manually look over this list.
2020-08-28T10:24:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 4. Yes. The kernel is managed entirely by the user.
2020-08-28T10:25:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :)
2020-08-28T10:27:56 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> Thanks a lot for your quick reply!!
2020-08-28T10:27:56 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> I will do send you my logs just in a while (meeting now)
2020-08-28T10:27:56 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> My question regarding the languages was because I'm trying to make x2goserver work but now I get an error saying that my home directory contains non ASCII characters (no that I know: /home/lhoqvso)
2020-08-28T10:27:56 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> Good to know about kiss orphans... I took that bad habit from Arch... I take note and I will follow your advise :)
2020-08-28T10:27:57 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> Good to know about the kernel... it does not take as long to compile and it's something that I want to learn more about to trim it but.. step by step :)
2020-08-28T10:27:57 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> Again... thanks a lot! Great community!!
2020-08-28T10:33:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :)
2020-08-28T10:33:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've never used x2go so I'm unsure of specifics regarding it.
2020-08-28T10:36:03 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> hehehe just in case you wanna try one day... it's really useful! Easy to install but a lot of perl "modules" to install. If you want to give it a try I will help you (it's the least I can do for you!)
2020-08-28T10:36:03 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> By the way... how can I send dmesg or Xorg logs directly here? Is there any tool?
2020-08-28T10:42:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> nc termbin.com:9999 < file
2020-08-28T10:42:27 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> dmesg: https://termbin.com/1zr5
2020-08-28T10:42:27 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> xorg.log: https://termbin.com/vfcw
2020-08-28T10:42:27 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> I think I did it :)
2020-08-28T10:42:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-08-28T10:42:45 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> thanks sir :)
2020-08-28T10:44:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Xorg is not detecting a mouse or keyboard
2020-08-28T10:44:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I see a mouse and keyboard being detected in dmesg however
2020-08-28T10:44:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Do you have xf86-input-libinput installed?
2020-08-28T10:44:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Actually, I believe you do.
2020-08-28T10:44:50 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> mmmm interesting because I have xf86-input-libinput installed and I'm part of the input group
2020-08-28T10:45:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Do you have any Xorg conf files?
2020-08-28T10:45:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Is the udevd daemon enabled?
2020-08-28T10:45:35 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> yes I do, generated with Xorg but I will post it here. Udevd is enabled
2020-08-28T10:46:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You do not need to generate a Xorg conf file
2020-08-28T10:46:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It should work without it
2020-08-28T10:46:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This may be the cause of the issue
2020-08-28T10:46:33 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> xorg.conf : https://termbin.com/05vt
2020-08-28T10:46:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Tried removing it and letting Xorg detect everything itself?
2020-08-28T10:46:41 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> ohhh ok, I will remove it now then
2020-08-28T10:47:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah. This looks like the cause of the issue to me.
2020-08-28T10:47:37 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> I will let you know tonight as I'm on a SSH session and I cannot test the startx as far as I know :)
2020-08-28T10:48:12 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> again... thanks a lot for your support :) Much appreciated
2020-08-28T10:48:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alright :)
2020-08-28T11:38:06 #kisslinux <periish> Hello! Any creators of KISS derivatives around?
2020-08-28T11:40:23 #kisslinux <periish> Or ports, for that fact.
2020-08-28T11:40:38 #kisslinux <konimex> sup
2020-08-28T11:40:55 #kisslinux <periish> Hi! I was wondering how you bootstrapped your derivative, so to speak.
2020-08-28T11:41:13 #kisslinux <periish> Did you transform an existing KISS install?
2020-08-28T11:41:23 #kisslinux <konimex> yes
2020-08-28T11:42:00 #kisslinux <periish> AH
2020-08-28T11:42:09 #kisslinux <periish> That won't be possible for my derivative :<
2020-08-28T11:42:21 #kisslinux <konimex> just install, point everything to the new repo for the derivative, rebuild from the new repo, add/remove everything you want and you're basically done, that's from me anyway
2020-08-28T11:42:23 #kisslinux <konimex> you cross-compile?
2020-08-28T11:42:47 #kisslinux <periish> my derivative has breaking changes to KISS
2020-08-28T11:43:01 #kisslinux <konimex> the distro or the package manager?
2020-08-28T11:43:04 #kisslinux <periish> has everything in different locations
2020-08-28T11:43:06 #kisslinux <periish> Both
2020-08-28T11:43:40 #kisslinux <konimex> you're talking about gobolinux-like changes huh
2020-08-28T11:44:01 #kisslinux <periish> Aye
2020-08-28T11:45:22 #kisslinux <periish> Not quite Gobo, though
2020-08-28T11:46:11 #kisslinux <konimex> theoretically, you can edit a lot of vars in the package manager ($cac_dir, $src_dir, $pkg_db), but yeah it's not going to be easy and I'm not sure that'll allow you to be very far from traditional Unix filesystem structure
2020-08-28T11:48:09 #kisslinux <periish> the  package manager only uses /etc and /var
2020-08-28T11:48:15 #kisslinux <periish> easy to change
2020-08-28T12:23:50 #kisslinux <kirctest123> test
2020-08-28T12:24:43 #kisslinux <kirctest123> test
2020-08-28T12:34:59 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> Another question guys... I have tried to install falkon... it has been for several hours now and still goes on... and I just realized that is only using one core... I have 4 cores (4790k)... do I need to do anything special? I only run "kiss b falkon"
2020-08-28T13:02:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> you need to export the number of cores you have to your shell rc
2020-08-28T13:02:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> so like, export MAKEFLAGS='-j4'
2020-08-28T13:11:55 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> ohhh I just did but I have not restarted the shell... I think I should force it because it's really slow :D
2020-08-28T13:12:00 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> thanks sir!
2020-08-28T13:19:13 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> as all your advises, it worked like a charm! now all cores working! Thanks a bunch :)
2020-08-28T16:03:48 #kisslinux <onodera> what is the kiss way to keep system time in sync?
2020-08-28T16:21:15 #kisslinux <konimex> openntpd?
2020-08-28T16:21:37 #kisslinux <konimex> or busybox ntpd
2020-08-28T16:22:49 #kisslinux <onodera> im playing around with ntpd now
2020-08-28T16:22:58 #kisslinux <onodera> is this something I should always be running in the background then?
2020-08-28T16:23:16 #kisslinux <onodera> also my config just consists of ntp servers atm, is that good?
2020-08-28T17:06:49 #kisslinux <konimex> I'm not really familiar with busybox ntpd but might be good, usually I just set-and-forget it with openntpd
2020-08-28T17:07:00 #kisslinux <konimex> but yeah it should be always running from my experience
2020-08-28T20:34:02 #kisslinux <lhoqvso> Thanks Dylan! I just came home and removing the xorg.conf, the keyboard and mouse is working perfectly fine :)
2020-08-28T22:33:52 #kisslinux <mussolini> Dropping packages: Gnu stack and more https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/1165 have at it fellas