2021-05-04T00:00:19 #kisslinux <acheam> echo "10101010101010" > /dev/fb0
2021-05-04T00:10:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh I know!
2021-05-04T00:10:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> a prompt at the command line
2021-05-04T00:11:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> very innovative thinking
2021-05-04T00:14:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm at the Cutting Edge(tm)
2021-05-04T00:15:06 #kisslinux <acheam> wow thanks dilyn
2021-05-04T00:15:12 #kisslinux <acheam> if only the program only already came with that
2021-05-04T00:15:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> huge oversight that it didn't tbh
2021-05-04T00:17:07 #kisslinux <acheam> what were they thinking
2021-05-04T00:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> please report at todo.sr.ht/~armaan/opendoas
2021-05-04T00:30:25 #kisslinux <acheam> hi midfavila1
2021-05-04T00:30:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> the sequel to mid
2021-05-04T00:42:38 #kisslinux <acheam> https://iglunix.xyz/
2021-05-04T00:43:31 #kisslinux <acheam> seems to be a less-developed wyvertux AFAICT
2021-05-04T00:47:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> looks interesting
2021-05-04T01:01:38 #kisslinux <acheam> https://sr.ht/~bl4ckb0ne/boson/
2021-05-04T01:03:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I hope that gains traction
2021-05-04T01:03:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> same
2021-05-04T01:04:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I hate that I need to have Python installed just to build a C thing
2021-05-04T01:04:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> will be worth keeping an eye on to use as a meson replacement in community
2021-05-04T01:04:20 #kisslinux <acheam> yep I was just complaining about that to a meson developer and they linked this in response
2021-05-04T01:04:25 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: thats what I was thinking
2021-05-04T01:04:33 #kisslinux <acheam> or even eventually replace it in main
2021-05-04T01:04:43 #kisslinux <acheam> like samurai instead of ninja
2021-05-04T01:04:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> a lofty but hopefull end goal
2021-05-04T01:05:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> midfavila reporting in via a fully-libre system over cellular
2021-05-04T01:05:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> holy fuck was this ever a pain to set up
2021-05-04T01:05:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Stallman would be proud of you!
2021-05-04T01:05:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've even neutered the ME
2021-05-04T01:05:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> uwu
2021-05-04T01:05:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> im just noticing the summary states C99 but the description states C11
2021-05-04T01:05:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wonder if it had to be bumped to C11
2021-05-04T01:06:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> now I have to figure out how to use an email client to manage SMS
2021-05-04T01:07:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> nvm i refreshed and it says c99 in the summary now
2021-05-04T01:07:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think i had a stroke
2021-05-04T01:07:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/99/11
2021-05-04T01:08:03 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: ha I actually just emailed the ML about that
2021-05-04T01:08:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-05-04T01:08:25 #kisslinux <acheam> wait
2021-05-04T01:08:30 #kisslinux <acheam> now I must look like an idiot
2021-05-04T01:08:36 #kisslinux <acheam> or maybe they changed it in response to my email
2021-05-04T01:08:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think they did
2021-05-04T01:08:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz i know it said C99
2021-05-04T01:08:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you do end up looking like an idiot, you're in good company
2021-05-04T01:08:56 #kisslinux <acheam> okay glad i'm not crazy
2021-05-04T01:08:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i keep the bleachers nice and warm
2021-05-04T01:08:58 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila1: :)
2021-05-04T01:09:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> me irl
2021-05-04T01:09:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> time to dial into the SDF BBS using my modem!!!!!11!11!
2021-05-04T01:41:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid: I don't know if they still do, but service providers in times of old previously supported SMS via email until as late as 2014
2021-05-04T01:41:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> So supporting sms via email clients is essentially trivial
2021-05-04T01:42:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> boson was mentioned a few months ago, I wonder how much progress it has made...
2021-05-04T01:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no like
2021-05-04T01:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my modem supports SMS
2021-05-04T01:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you can just
2021-05-04T01:44:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> send it the proper opcode or whatever
2021-05-04T01:44:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it does modem-things
2021-05-04T01:48:37 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: looks like its been pretty actively developed
2021-05-04T01:48:43 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: most cell carriers still do!
2021-05-04T01:49:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> good to know that I am still capable of getting spammed texts from uniquely generated return addresses
2021-05-04T01:49:15 #kisslinux <acheam> every time someone says boson, I see read Boston
2021-05-04T01:49:21 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-04T01:49:30 #kisslinux <acheam> when I tried it I got flagged for spam once
2021-05-04T01:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> boson accents
2021-05-04T01:49:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://iglunix.xyz/docs/web/ kek should we tell them about chromium
2021-05-04T01:49:34 #kisslinux <acheam> so I think they upped it
2021-05-04T01:49:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> Maybe that explains why i stopped getting them in 2014!
2021-05-04T01:50:01 #kisslinux <acheam> https://iglunix.xyz/docs/web/ kek should we tell them about firefox
2021-05-04T01:50:18 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: maybe!
2021-05-04T01:51:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> they just wouldn't like the gperf dep
2021-05-04T01:51:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> or that it `requires` (as far as I've bothered to gather) mesa
2021-05-04T01:54:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> people are all about kati replacing gmake
2021-05-04T01:54:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> except it's like eight times slower than gmake
2021-05-04T01:54:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> and requires gmake to build...
2021-05-04T01:54:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it's not GNU!!!!!!!
2021-05-04T01:56:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's gnoogle tho
2021-05-04T01:56:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's gmake in go by gnoogle
2021-05-04T01:56:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> behold, thy god
2021-05-04T01:56:33 #kisslinux <acheam> "Currently, kati does not offer a faster build by itself. It instead converts your Makefile to a ninja file.
2021-05-04T01:56:34 #kisslinux <acheam> "
2021-05-04T01:56:35 #kisslinux <acheam> why
2021-05-04T01:56:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its also half in c++!
2021-05-04T01:57:16 #kisslinux <acheam> why the hell did you have to introduce me to this abomination dilyn
2021-05-04T01:57:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-05-04T01:57:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> my favorite part is when it says it converts the Makefile into a ninja file, but is also 8 times slower than gmake
2021-05-04T01:57:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> PICK ONE
2021-05-04T01:58:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would rather just replace gmake with manually writing the cc lines myself
2021-05-04T01:58:59 #kisslinux <acheam> why not POSIX make?
2021-05-04T01:59:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> POSIX BAD!
2021-05-04T01:59:17 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry I meant to say NT-comptible
2021-05-04T02:00:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean for small things that require gmake
2021-05-04T02:00:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> like zstd would be ez
2021-05-04T02:00:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> other things like nss tho... hooooo boy
2021-05-04T02:00:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd rather just use gyp probably
2021-05-04T02:00:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> netbsd-curses would be nice to have bmake with
2021-05-04T02:00:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering... well... y'know
2021-05-04T02:00:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> B S D
2021-05-04T02:00:59 #kisslinux <acheam> wait
2021-05-04T02:01:00 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-04T02:01:11 #kisslinux <acheam> shrm isn't here rn
2021-05-04T02:01:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> hasn't been here for a while i don't think
2021-05-04T02:02:06 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe he got sick with the fake virus
2021-05-04T02:02:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe he got tired of my liberal attitudes :'(
2021-05-04T02:02:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably just busy
2021-05-04T02:02:45 #kisslinux <acheam> busyBOX... bu dm tsss
2021-05-04T02:02:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-05-04T02:07:41 #kisslinux <acheam> hi illiliti
2021-05-04T02:08:11 #kisslinux <illiliti> hello
2021-05-04T02:09:01 #kisslinux <acheam> how is king?
2021-05-04T02:09:21 #kisslinux <acheam> your latest commit message was very helpful
2021-05-04T02:09:45 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like its advanced a lot though!
2021-05-04T02:11:13 #kisslinux <illiliti> yep. the only things left to implement is hooks and native binary stripping
2021-05-04T02:11:37 #kisslinux <acheam> wow nice
2021-05-04T02:11:52 #kisslinux <illiliti> i'm still afraid to run it on my main system lol
2021-05-04T02:12:31 #kisslinux <acheam> hey whats the worst that will happen, this is KISS
2021-05-04T02:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> deploy a tactical chroot
2021-05-04T02:13:21 #kisslinux <illiliti> i already did
2021-05-04T02:13:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> deploy another
2021-05-04T02:13:46 #kisslinux <acheam> illiliti: do you have any docs on tinyramfs or kiss-encryption
2021-05-04T02:14:05 #kisslinux <illiliti> tinyramfs has man pages
2021-05-04T02:14:22 #kisslinux <illiliti> kiss-encryption is not documented yet
2021-05-04T02:14:30 #kisslinux <acheam> oh somehow I missed the docs/ directory
2021-05-04T02:14:31 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks!
2021-05-04T02:15:23 #kisslinux <illiliti> they are poorly written though
2021-05-04T02:15:32 #kisslinux <acheam> its a bit ironic that GitHub can render scdoc, but Sourcehut cant
2021-05-04T02:15:33 #kisslinux <illiliti> better to read code directly
2021-05-04T02:15:47 #kisslinux <acheam> got it thanks
2021-05-04T02:16:06 #kisslinux <acheam> will mess around on a secondary system first
2021-05-04T02:17:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> luckily it's very readable
2021-05-04T02:17:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> more readable than *cough* the others *cough*
2021-05-04T02:17:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I think that you overestimate my posix sh skills
2021-05-04T02:18:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I believe in u
2021-05-04T02:20:06 #kisslinux <illiliti> dilyn: thanks. never thought that my english can be reabable
2021-05-04T02:20:33 #kisslinux <acheam> illiliti: where are you from?
2021-05-04T02:21:13 #kisslinux <illiliti> russia
2021-05-04T02:21:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> komrad illiliti
2021-05-04T02:23:00 #kisslinux <acheam> illiliti: nice
2021-05-04T02:23:34 #kisslinux <acheam> good morning :)
2021-05-04T02:24:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> at least you have an excuse, some of us are native speakers and our english is atrocious
2021-05-04T02:24:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> i.e. me
2021-05-04T02:25:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ha have you seen the number of typos in my messages
2021-05-04T02:25:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-05-04T02:25:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> everyone's everything is atrocious
2021-05-04T02:25:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there are no excuses
2021-05-04T02:25:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> only mistakes
2021-05-04T02:26:03 #kisslinux * necromansy nods
2021-05-04T02:26:11 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: you have an excuse because online you can just say its how you talk down under
2021-05-04T02:26:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> fuckeeen aye
2021-05-04T02:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> roight mate
2021-05-04T02:27:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> all these fucken daft cunts innit
2021-05-04T02:30:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> someones speaking the Queens there
2021-05-04T02:31:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> when do I get my complementary ground harness
2021-05-04T02:32:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> after you defeat the dropbears m8
2021-05-04T02:32:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> on a scale of the great depression to emus how hard are those
2021-05-04T02:32:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like what level
2021-05-04T02:33:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> couple levels lower than the emus
2021-05-04T02:34:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I think I could take 'em.
2021-05-04T02:34:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> still cant believe the brits can colonise a land, conduct a targeted genocide against the indigenous population and then struggle to cull an emu population with an army
2021-05-04T02:35:09 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-05-04T02:36:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> generally speaking, humans aren't exactly known for their competency
2021-05-04T02:36:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> ofc, its just interesting seeing where that incompentency strikes
2021-05-04T02:36:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Mhm
2021-05-04T02:38:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> russia?? privyet komrade
2021-05-04T02:39:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> anglisckii ochen horosh
2021-05-04T02:39:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't have cyrillic so my poor phoneticism will have to do
2021-05-04T02:40:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> imagine not using gnu unifont
2021-05-04T02:40:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> absolutely ascii-pilled
2021-05-04T02:40:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine having multiple fonts
2021-05-04T02:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> imagine not having multiple fonts
2021-05-04T02:40:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> imagine not having a fucking WAN modem
2021-05-04T02:40:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> someone from... slovakia? emailed me, told me about a font
2021-05-04T02:40:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gtfo
2021-05-04T02:40:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's only in cyrillic. almost tried to use it just to see
2021-05-04T02:41:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> slovenia. idk. some bloc
2021-05-04T02:56:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wow the alpine people are fucking based
2021-05-04T02:57:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you can just download their binaries off of pkgs.org if need be
2021-05-04T02:57:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> smsd acquired
2021-05-04T03:18:36 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: ooh kiss-host
2021-05-04T03:18:43 #kisslinux <acheam> thank you :)
2021-05-04T03:19:30 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm surprised that nobody has put dropbear in the community repos
2021-05-04T03:19:36 #kisslinux <acheam> might package it later
2021-05-04T03:20:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> had no idea it was a thing
2021-05-04T03:20:47 #kisslinux <acheam> that seems to be the case for a lot of people
2021-05-04T03:20:56 #kisslinux <acheam> its good stuff from what I hear
2021-05-04T03:21:11 #kisslinux <acheam> and seems to be the standard sshd for embedded connections
2021-05-04T03:21:13 #kisslinux <acheam> but i've never used it
2021-05-04T03:21:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> i dont really have any experience with embedded systems
2021-05-04T03:22:29 #kisslinux <acheam> neither do I
2021-05-04T03:22:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> embedded devices are a crazy space
2021-05-04T03:25:23 #kisslinux <acheam> and embedded devices are everywhere
2021-05-04T03:25:27 #kisslinux <acheam> we are sorrounded by crazyness
2021-05-04T03:26:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> frfr
2021-05-04T03:26:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's nervewracking
2021-05-04T03:27:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> IoT is a dangerous space
2021-05-04T03:32:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've used dropbear on my phone before
2021-05-04T03:32:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's aight
2021-05-04T03:32:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> bearssl is also nice
2021-05-04T03:36:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-05-04T03:36:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> iH
2021-05-04T03:36:27 #kisslinux <acheam> good morning testuser_[m]
2021-05-04T03:37:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> graaaaaah. I can't get my modem's USB control interfaces to appear
2021-05-04T03:38:15 #kisslinux <acheam> its a modem what do you expect it to do, work?
2021-05-04T03:38:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ideally yes
2021-05-04T03:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've never had any other piece of hardware be as finnicky as a WAN modem
2021-05-04T03:38:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm *so close* to having a phone replacement
2021-05-04T03:39:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but without either knowledge of how to control the modem via /dev/cdc-wdm or getting /dev/ttyACM{0,1} to appear magically...
2021-05-04T03:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> life: not found
2021-05-04T03:52:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway, picocom and various telephony tools have been packaged in my repo, in case anyone's interested
2021-05-04T03:54:11 #kisslinux <acheam> i find it interesting how some people create new git repos for things like that, and others just clump it all into one
2021-05-04T03:54:17 #kisslinux <acheam> just little personal preferences
2021-05-04T03:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Mmhm.
2021-05-04T04:00:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> modems are notoriously finnicky
2021-05-04T04:00:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> gl not bricking yourself
2021-05-04T04:26:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> python 3.10 beta1 has been released, so we're in feature lock
2021-05-04T04:26:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> ten months to fix ~75 errors building _hashlib and _ssl
2021-05-04T04:26:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> glhf
2021-05-04T04:27:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/ten/five/
2021-05-04T04:27:01 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> glhf
2021-05-04T04:27:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> so has anyone had success using smdev?
2021-05-04T04:30:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I glanced at it yesterday and thought about it, got a undeclared reference error and immediately gave up. not worth my time
2021-05-04T04:30:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> somebody in here was talking about it yesterday or so
2021-05-04T05:02:46 #kisslinux <riteo> oh lol I kept my pc on
2021-05-04T05:02:59 #kisslinux <riteo> well, I'm gonna shut it down now XD, bye!
2021-05-04T05:03:46 #kisslinux <acheam> An interesting read on gcc's switch to cpp
2021-05-04T05:03:50 #kisslinux <acheam> https://lwn.net/Articles/542457/
2021-05-04T09:06:01 #kisslinux <spryc> has anybody packaged neomutt?
2021-05-04T09:41:13 #kisslinux <gtms> Second google item: https://git.barilaro.me/Alex/kiss-terminal-utils
2021-05-04T09:44:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Maybe there should be something like https://gpo.zugaina.org/ for KISS
2021-05-04T09:45:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But most user repos are pretty customized so i don't think it would be very useful
2021-05-04T11:26:56 #kisslinux <soliwilos> testuser_[m]: Did you look into whether your musl kiss system also had trouble building kernel 5.12.x?
2021-05-04T11:29:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah i sent a fix too
2021-05-04T11:29:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait
2021-05-04T11:29:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210503#c7861315
2021-05-04T11:30:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they probably changed some if conditions in some other files, which prevents this from being included on musl
2021-05-04T11:31:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Awesome, thanks.
2021-05-04T13:01:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> dilyn: In community/qt5-webengine: there is a lonely dbus patch floating around :p
2021-05-04T13:55:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you need fucking
2021-05-04T13:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> gnome libraries
2021-05-04T13:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> to set up libqmi
2021-05-04T13:55:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is ridiculous
2021-05-04T13:55:33 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: why are you doing this?
2021-05-04T13:56:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006490.html ooooooohhhh nnnooooooo
2021-05-04T13:56:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I'm trying to see if there's a way to change the configuration of my modem. there're a few ways they can be set up
2021-05-04T13:56:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I figure that maybe if I switch from QMI mode to MBIM mode, it would provide control interfaces
2021-05-04T13:56:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's kind of a long shot
2021-05-04T13:56:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> woops
2021-05-04T13:57:19 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: LOL what
2021-05-04T13:57:37 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, this is why you don't run your services as root
2021-05-04T13:57:42 #kisslinux <acheam> but still
2021-05-04T13:57:44 #kisslinux <acheam> wow
2021-05-04T13:57:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> run everything as root
2021-05-04T13:57:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> single user == more secure
2021-05-04T13:58:01 #kisslinux * acheam hides the fact that he ssh's into systems as root
2021-05-04T13:58:20 #kisslinux <acheam> but i *run* things as non-0 users
2021-05-04T13:58:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-05-04T13:58:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> disable root ssh, disable password auth
2021-05-04T13:58:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> immediately
2021-05-04T13:58:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> but first
2021-05-04T13:58:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam what's ur ip
2021-05-04T13:58:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hey I don't have password auth
2021-05-04T13:59:03 #kisslinux <acheam> but I pubkey authenticate as root
2021-05-04T13:59:18 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: uuuuuhhhhhhhh
2021-05-04T13:59:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-05-04T13:59:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> he just wants to send you cookies
2021-05-04T13:59:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> 100%
2021-05-04T14:00:15 #kisslinux <acheam> the problem is, I would have to install and configure a privilege escalation tool on like 10 servers
2021-05-04T14:00:19 #kisslinux <acheam> and i'm lazy and busy
2021-05-04T14:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> bruh
2021-05-04T14:00:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> just use sls
2021-05-04T14:00:26 #kisslinux <acheam> it would take like, 5min
2021-05-04T14:00:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> sorry, ssu
2021-05-04T14:00:30 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't have that kind of time
2021-05-04T14:00:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1) install doas
2021-05-04T14:00:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2) scp doas.conf
2021-05-04T14:00:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> right, too busy shitposting in #kisslinux to administrate your boxes
2021-05-04T14:00:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i understand completely
2021-05-04T14:00:56 #kisslinux <acheam> yes.
2021-05-04T14:01:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> you shouldn't use a privlege escalator on a server anyways
2021-05-04T14:01:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> if the user's password gets compromised and you're careless, they're just one sudo su away from root
2021-05-04T14:01:37 #kisslinux <acheam> how to do root actions then?
2021-05-04T14:01:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> you don't
2021-05-04T14:01:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> physical access
2021-05-04T14:01:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> or that
2021-05-04T14:02:08 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, at some point you have to on a Debian box
2021-05-04T14:02:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> build an image for the server, disable root access, then dump the image onto a disk drive, insert disk into server
2021-05-04T14:02:17 #kisslinux <acheam> on kiss or openbsd or something maybe not
2021-05-04T14:02:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid gets it
2021-05-04T14:02:30 #kisslinux <acheam>  that's too much effort
2021-05-04T14:02:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-04T14:02:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> but acheam
2021-05-04T14:02:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> makes deployment easy tho
2021-05-04T14:02:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh securidee
2021-05-04T14:02:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-05-04T14:02:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I mess around too much on my servers for that
2021-05-04T14:02:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're SMART
2021-05-04T14:02:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> you use PXE
2021-05-04T14:02:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-05-04T14:02:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> DOWNTIME ACHEAM
2021-05-04T14:02:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuckin nerds
2021-05-04T14:02:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't even know shit about PXE
2021-05-04T14:03:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i bet you still use USB drives to install loonix
2021-05-04T14:03:07 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: yeah i'll have that if I have to reboot my servers for this, smh
2021-05-04T14:03:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-04T14:03:31 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: network booting does interest me
2021-05-04T14:03:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> network booting has saved my ass a few times
2021-05-04T14:03:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to set it up again
2021-05-04T14:03:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> but my router only has a few megs of spare space
2021-05-04T14:03:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I can't wipe out the OG firmware afaik
2021-05-04T14:04:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta get a cheapo SSD or something for my router
2021-05-04T14:04:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> someone needs to put KISS on a router
2021-05-04T14:04:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will, eventually
2021-05-04T14:04:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> unironically
2021-05-04T14:04:43 #kisslinux <acheam> i think nerditup was asking about that earlier?
2021-05-04T14:04:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> my man
2021-05-04T14:05:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> the place I'm gonna be moving into is shoehorning me into the role of network admin
2021-05-04T14:05:18 #kisslinux <acheam> you're gonna need a good cross compilation setup fisrt
2021-05-04T14:05:23 #kisslinux <acheam> oh god
2021-05-04T14:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> bruh
2021-05-04T14:05:28 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm so sorry to your housemates
2021-05-04T14:05:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i am a cross-compile god
2021-05-04T14:05:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> x86 router or bust
2021-05-04T14:05:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i am a cross-compile abject failure
2021-05-04T14:05:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i once built GCC on an X86 linux box for an ARM QNX box
2021-05-04T14:05:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-05-04T14:05:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> get on my fucking level
2021-05-04T14:06:10 #kisslinux * midfavila flexes harder
2021-05-04T14:06:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr though it's gonna be fun.
2021-05-04T14:06:31 #kisslinux * dilyn is flexed on
2021-05-04T14:06:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i intend to set up an internal IRC server and netnews, with DDNS
2021-05-04T14:06:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something crosstool-NG
2021-05-04T14:07:18 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm that seems nice
2021-05-04T14:07:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-05-04T14:07:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna work on a file server as well
2021-05-04T14:07:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that people can just dump interesting media onto the server and the rest of the house can access t
2021-05-04T14:07:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> it*
2021-05-04T14:07:50 #kisslinux <acheam> > written in posix sh and c
2021-05-04T14:07:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I approve
2021-05-04T14:07:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait
2021-05-04T14:07:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> wrong thing
2021-05-04T14:08:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> ;w;
2021-05-04T14:08:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> i did that in my college apartment for all my roommates
2021-05-04T14:08:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> nobody cared, and now we all hate each other
2021-05-04T14:08:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-05-04T14:08:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> glhf
2021-05-04T14:08:47 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-04T14:09:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> we used DC++ at my college
2021-05-04T14:09:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're clearly just not as charismatic as I am, dilyn
2021-05-04T14:09:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> only charismatic to people who like getting talked down to
2021-05-04T14:09:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> kinky
2021-05-04T14:09:53 #kisslinux <acheam> when your roommates are your parents and they love all their netflix and alexa
2021-05-04T14:10:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've already informed my friends that there will be no smartshit on my network
2021-05-04T14:10:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> personal experience proves that it is, mid
2021-05-04T14:10:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-05-04T14:10:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and none of this "netflix and chill" stuff the kids are into these days
2021-05-04T14:10:56 #kisslinux <acheam> in this house we "compile GCC and chill"
2021-05-04T14:11:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> free software and chill
2021-05-04T14:11:09 #kisslinux <acheam> even warmer than lighting a fire
2021-05-04T14:11:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> except we literally do just sit around
2021-05-04T14:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe like
2021-05-04T14:11:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> watch some anime
2021-05-04T14:11:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> akira is p good
2021-05-04T14:11:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> normie
2021-05-04T14:11:46 #kisslinux <acheam> akira confused the heck out of me
2021-05-04T14:12:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> a lot of people are confused by the ending
2021-05-04T14:12:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> gcc & chill <<< invent problems & stress
2021-05-04T14:12:19 #kisslinux <acheam> "compile llvm and chill" ?
2021-05-04T14:12:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn: s/invent problems & //
2021-05-04T14:12:24 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> gcc & chill <<< stress
2021-05-04T14:12:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> this bot is trash >:c
2021-05-04T14:12:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-04T14:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want kissbot back
2021-05-04T14:12:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i miss it dearly
2021-05-04T14:12:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't kiss the bots mid
2021-05-04T14:13:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't tell me what to do
2021-05-04T14:13:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking fascist
2021-05-04T14:13:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-05-04T14:14:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> menya zavut fashist
2021-05-04T14:14:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> komrade
2021-05-04T14:14:38 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: how many active members of sdf are there?
2021-05-04T14:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> uhhhh, active? only membership knows that
2021-05-04T14:14:54 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm considering joining after discovering envs.net wasn't a great fit
2021-05-04T14:14:58 #kisslinux <acheam> approx though
2021-05-04T14:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> total, I think a little over 30k
2021-05-04T14:15:02 #kisslinux <acheam> wow
2021-05-04T14:15:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, that shouldn't be surprising
2021-05-04T14:15:23 #kisslinux <acheam> well I knew it was big
2021-05-04T14:15:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> SDF hails from the time of ARPA
2021-05-04T14:15:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> they've been around for a long, long time
2021-05-04T14:17:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> envs.net isn't a great fit for what?
2021-05-04T14:19:26 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: can you validate me?
2021-05-04T14:19:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> prolly
2021-05-04T14:19:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> lemme login
2021-05-04T14:19:37 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks
2021-05-04T14:19:41 #kisslinux <acheam> username is acheam
2021-05-04T14:19:58 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: just for me in general... different ideals
2021-05-04T14:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-05-04T14:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> validate is only available to mARPA
2021-05-04T14:20:17 #kisslinux <acheam> what's that mean
2021-05-04T14:20:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> means that I can't validate you
2021-05-04T14:20:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> you'll have to ask someone in GENERAL
2021-05-04T14:20:35 #kisslinux <acheam> got it thanks
2021-05-04T14:20:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-05-04T14:20:40 #kisslinux <acheam> i have a few hundred more days
2021-05-04T14:20:45 #kisslinux <acheam> will procrastinate it
2021-05-04T14:21:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> only reason I'm not mARPA is because their only two options for payment are paypal and shitcoin
2021-05-04T14:21:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...well, I could also mail them a cheque or cash
2021-05-04T14:22:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually, the cash thing might work... hm.
2021-05-04T14:24:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> jfc I nearly had a heart attack. thought I was gonna be late for class
2021-05-04T14:26:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> is mARPA something like a "premium" membership or something for SDF?
2021-05-04T14:26:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the tl;dr
2021-05-04T14:26:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's four levels of membership
2021-05-04T14:26:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> unregistered, which is just a generic user account
2021-05-04T14:26:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> validated, which gets you basic stuff like webhosting and internal email
2021-05-04T14:27:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> ARPA, which provides development tools and access to additional services like DNS registration and VPSes
2021-05-04T14:27:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and mARPA, which is a step beyond even that
2021-05-04T14:27:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh
2021-05-04T14:27:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically, the more you contribute to SDF, the more it opens up
2021-05-04T14:27:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's a lot of nifty community events too
2021-05-04T14:28:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> rn there's a Plan 9 bootcamp, for example
2021-05-04T14:28:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and there's also an SDF ARC
2021-05-04T14:29:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd participate but I don't feel like doxing myself
2021-05-04T14:29:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> we already know you're a filthy canuck, too late!
2021-05-04T14:29:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-05-04T14:30:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> the bigger issue is that you have to provide callsign, which is government ID, and your SDF username, which I share with other sites
2021-05-04T14:30:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
2021-05-04T14:30:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ouch
2021-05-04T14:30:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's standard procedure for ARCs
2021-05-04T14:31:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> you aren't even allowed to use encryption
2021-05-04T14:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, under any circumstances
2021-05-04T14:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's massively, hugely illegal
2021-05-04T14:31:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> bigly, one might even say
2021-05-04T14:32:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> which completely eliminates anything I would want to use amateur radio for
2021-05-04T14:32:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g remote access to my PC
2021-05-04T14:32:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> because there's no fucking way I'm using telnet over AX.25
2021-05-04T15:48:56 #kisslinux <tink> i just learned there is a job title called executive support technician and the job seems to be easy, fun, and something you can rely on, which surprised me
2021-05-04T15:50:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> is the job to be the tech monkey of a C level or something
2021-05-04T15:50:31 #kisslinux <tink> it looks like you deal with who gets the new macbooks, iphones etc. first, help people to set up their computers, printers and shit
2021-05-04T15:50:56 #kisslinux <tink> this is like the main issue, you deal with stuff you don't like (new tech shit)
2021-05-04T15:51:02 #kisslinux <tink> and work for a corp
2021-05-04T15:51:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> as epic as it would be to be a freelance pentester that's more effort than I'm willing to put in, right now. corp life is tolerable until then
2021-05-04T15:51:57 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-04T15:53:16 #kisslinux <tink> are there any freelance pentesters left really? sounds too good
2021-05-04T15:53:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know a few of them
2021-05-04T15:53:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> they say it's mostly boring stuff.
2021-05-04T15:54:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> unless you're auditing source code or fucking with hardware or something, you just point Burp Suite at a target and come back after five minutes
2021-05-04T15:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> or so I've heard
2021-05-04T15:54:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is... extremely depressing.
2021-05-04T16:11:01 #kisslinux <tim2> hi, what is an easy way to get steam working?
2021-05-04T16:12:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> chroot
2021-05-04T16:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-05-04T16:13:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Full void chroot will fit in 1-2gv
2021-05-04T16:13:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gb
2021-05-04T16:13:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> full CRUX will fit in under a gig!
2021-05-04T16:13:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I mean with steam and deps
2021-05-04T16:13:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair
2021-05-04T16:14:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, I think that the only time I would approve of something like flatpak is on a system like KISS
2021-05-04T16:14:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that you can run Steam directly
2021-05-04T16:14:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> or w/e
2021-05-04T16:15:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> in other news I appear to have discovered the solution to the non-existent control interfaces for my modem
2021-05-04T16:16:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> as usual, it comes down to a kernel recompile
2021-05-04T16:16:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking amazing.
2021-05-04T16:16:21 #kisslinux <tim2> first, I'm running glibc (don't throw things at me), second I tried flatpak but it's complaining about something I can't figure out
2021-05-04T16:16:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Gkiss ?
2021-05-04T16:16:40 #kisslinux <tim2> yis
2021-05-04T16:16:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> make sure you have IA32 emulation in your kernel and the requisite 32-bit libraries to run steam
2021-05-04T16:16:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I did get steam running on gkiss, but dropped it later
2021-05-04T16:17:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The build files are still there though,  in git history
2021-05-04T16:17:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What error with flatpak ?
2021-05-04T16:17:59 #kisslinux <tim2> midfavila: Symbol: IA32_EMULATION [=y] :D
2021-05-04T16:20:59 #kisslinux <tim2> testuser_[m]: bwrap: Can't find source path /usr/var/lib/flatpak/extension/com.valvesoftware.Steam.Debug/x86_64/stable: Permission denied
2021-05-04T16:21:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Huh why would it get permission denied on that directory
2021-05-04T16:21:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Do you have user namespaces enabled in kernel btw?
2021-05-04T16:21:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's flatpak
2021-05-04T16:21:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck you
2021-05-04T16:26:26 #kisslinux <tim2> midfavila: flatpak is da booomb brah :P
2021-05-04T16:26:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> a hundred thousand pox upon your kin, foulspeaker
2021-05-04T16:27:20 #kisslinux <tim2> you shut your mouth -- flatpak rOcKS
2021-05-04T16:27:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you wanna fucking go?
2021-05-04T16:27:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> meet me in the mcdonalds parking lot
2021-05-04T16:27:35 #kisslinux <tim2> come at me brO
2021-05-04T16:28:43 #kisslinux <tim2> all those devs developing their flatpak n' shit
2021-05-04T16:30:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> das right
2021-05-04T16:30:41 #kisslinux <tim2> testuser_[m]: any pointers to that git history?
2021-05-04T16:36:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @tim2 https://github.com/gkisslinux/grepo/tree/4c50446d172e24c7fa7d219dc4f8274c261ca00e/multilib/extra/steam
2021-05-04T16:36:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/gkisslinux/grepo/tree/4c50446d172e24c7fa7d219dc4f8274c261ca00e/multilib
2021-05-04T16:41:52 #kisslinux <tim2> ominous_anonymou: thank you kind sir :)
2021-05-04T16:51:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm more interested in getting snaps to work...
2021-05-04T16:56:19 #kisslinux <tim2> dilyn: careful now... :P
2021-05-04T16:56:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm excited just imagining it
2021-05-04T16:56:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> so
2021-05-04T16:57:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> it appears that the reason I cannot get an AT control interface for my modem is not because I was lacking a kernel module
2021-05-04T16:57:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have to dive more into snaps to see what's really going on. I see no good reason they couldn't be... better
2021-05-04T16:57:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but rather that the modem doesn't support Hayes commands
2021-05-04T16:57:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> plus they're already superior to flatpacks sooooooo
2021-05-04T16:57:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i fucking love how obscure hardware doesn't have documentation
2021-05-04T16:57:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> of course it doesn't
2021-05-04T16:57:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep in mind
2021-05-04T16:57:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> call the manufacturer for a manual lmao
2021-05-04T16:57:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> the *chipset*
2021-05-04T16:57:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> supports SMS
2021-05-04T16:57:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and GPS
2021-05-04T16:57:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and all that fancy shit
2021-05-04T16:58:01 #kisslinux <nodezsh> pf
2021-05-04T16:58:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's *specifically* the HP LT4120 that neuters the chipset
2021-05-04T16:58:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> desolder that b
2021-05-04T16:58:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, uh, no
2021-05-04T16:58:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> liberate your libre hardware
2021-05-04T16:58:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm actually pissed about this though
2021-05-04T16:58:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I'm pretty sure this is the only functional WAN modem that can be run blobless
2021-05-04T17:02:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> well... whatever.
2021-05-04T17:28:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn I think I'm getting closer to whatever the issue is with cross-compilation... when i build gcc with the cross-toolchain, for some reason binaries built with it aren't looking for the right interpreter.
2021-05-04T17:29:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> change those dumpspecs lad
2021-05-04T17:29:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the binary (just a helloworld print) that gets built throws: ./a.out: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libc.so: invalid ELF header
2021-05-04T17:29:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but it shouldn't be looking to /usr/lib, it should be looking to my /tools/lib/ for libc.so
2021-05-04T17:29:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you add the path to LD_LIBRARY_PATH or the conf
2021-05-04T17:30:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it was kind of my (probably flawed) understanding that that wouldn't be needed
2021-05-04T17:30:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but since its not statically built then it probably still needs to be told where to go i guess
2021-05-04T17:31:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can manually pass -Wl,-rpath=/tools/lib when building too
2021-05-04T17:32:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lol that just segfaults.  darnit, back to the drawing board
2021-05-04T17:33:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Gdb
2021-05-04T17:34:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i moved the toolchain to my pi to see if it would actually compile anything at this point in the process, no gdb on it
2021-05-04T17:43:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> you've gotta change where it looks manually
2021-05-04T17:44:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's the whole point of this section https://dilyn-corner.github.io/blog/KISS-static#3.5
2021-05-04T17:44:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> assuming you're still in the bootstrapping phase. the canonical location /usr/lib is going to be host libs, not target libs
2021-05-04T17:46:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i did that though :/
2021-05-04T17:49:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> linux-headers make mrproper just above that was the sticking point, i wasn't sure whether gcc had built correctly so i was just trying to see whether it would compile anything on the target machine
2021-05-04T17:49:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> do any of you guys run a system without standard udev?
2021-05-04T17:50:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Wdym standard udev ? Eudev ?
2021-05-04T17:51:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah.
2021-05-04T17:51:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lot of people use libudev-zero
2021-05-04T17:52:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I was considering trying either that or smdev
2021-05-04T17:52:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> is X and stuff plug and play with libudev-zero, do you know?
2021-05-04T17:53:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, rather, "will it work"?
2021-05-04T17:55:35 #kisslinux * soliwilos uses libudev-zero
2021-05-04T18:06:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> it should work just fine
2021-05-04T18:06:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> check the readme
2021-05-04T18:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't really use plug n play because like, it's 2021
2021-05-04T18:06:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine unplugging hardware...
2021-05-04T18:11:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> libudev zero just works
2021-05-04T18:11:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, aside from it breaking my touchpad, screen, and audio, yeah
2021-05-04T18:11:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> seems to
2021-05-04T18:19:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I can just figure out how to initialize my modem and get the touchpad working I could totally switch to libudev-zero
2021-05-04T18:19:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean it certainly shouldn't break most of those things
2021-05-04T18:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk man at this point I just want udev to stop getting caught in a loop of registering and unregistering a device
2021-05-04T18:20:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's really fucking pissing me off
2021-05-04T18:20:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the rule that I'm using for my modem *works*
2021-05-04T18:21:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but udev's stupidity prevents me from using it
2021-05-04T18:24:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> :thinking:
2021-05-04T18:24:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> Sounds like not-udev's fault tbh
2021-05-04T18:24:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> well then go throw shade at the guy who wrote the rule.
2021-05-04T18:27:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck it, I'm just going to set up a hummingbird script to poke the right value into the modem via sysfs
2021-05-04T18:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been trying to get this to work for hours
2021-05-04T21:06:53 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-05-04T21:52:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> !ih
2021-05-04T22:27:47 #kisslinux <jedavies> ominous_anonymou: you are working on cross compilation?
2021-05-04T22:28:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> pretending to.  i'd like to install KISS Linux on my rpi3
2021-05-04T22:29:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was wondering if you had some more in-depth instructions about how you set up kiss-aarch64
2021-05-04T22:31:38 #kisslinux <jedavies> Did you see https://github.com/glasnostlinux/glasnost  ?  I am running an aarch64 machine using packages cross-built on another machine. This is using the clang/llvm toolchain though.
2021-05-04T22:32:55 #kisslinux <jedavies> Getting kiss-aarch64 working was mainly:  start off with an alpine or void chroot, check out the KISS git repo, download the package manager, and try building packages in core/
2021-05-04T22:33:31 #kisslinux <jedavies> I just updated the kiss-aarch64 tarball to gcc 11.1 btw
2021-05-04T22:34:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah ok, i did see glasnost but didn't look to much into it to be honest
2021-05-04T22:35:27 #kisslinux <jedavies> The idea is to be able to do "kiss b pkgname" and have it build packages for another arch.  Is this what you're doing with the rpi3?
2021-05-04T22:37:22 #kisslinux <jedavies> I may be able to help if you have cross compilation issues
2021-05-04T22:37:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> originally my thinking was to just create a cross-compiler and build up a kiss-chroot using the cross-compiler
2021-05-04T22:38:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i know i could use kiss-aarch64 but i was going to try and make my own as a learning experience
2021-05-04T22:39:15 #kisslinux <jedavies> You will usually need to change the build files to add --build and --host. For example:  https://github.com/glasnostlinux/glasnost/blob/crossbuild/core/make/build
2021-05-04T22:39:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh shit
2021-05-04T22:39:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ytprivate is kill
2021-05-04T22:40:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i had been trying to follow along with https://github.com/dslm4515/Musl-LFS
2021-05-04T22:43:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the cross-toolchain seems to build fine, and i can compile things statically that will run on my pi.  when i try to go further and generate the "second stage" toolchain things get hairy
2021-05-04T22:51:16 #kisslinux <riteo> here I am again
2021-05-04T22:51:23 #kisslinux <acheam> hello riteo
2021-05-04T22:51:29 #kisslinux <riteo> hi
2021-05-04T23:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> sotd suggestion acheam
2021-05-04T23:08:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://inv.skyn3t.in/watch?v=ta-Z_psXODw
2021-05-04T23:08:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're all pirates now
2021-05-04T23:08:44 #kisslinux <acheam> wow you really can't settle on an instance :)
2021-05-04T23:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> deal with it
2021-05-04T23:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> nerd
2021-05-04T23:08:55 #kisslinux <acheam> this *is* an incredible song
2021-05-04T23:09:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have good taste in music
2021-05-04T23:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but only on tuesdays
2021-05-04T23:09:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I remember my brother showing it to me when I was like 6
2021-05-04T23:09:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> a smol bab
2021-05-04T23:10:20 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word
2021-05-04T23:10:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i suggest a new slogan, also
2021-05-04T23:10:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> "come for the meme, stay for the dream"
2021-05-04T23:11:01 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: Do you call it a kicker or a boom vang
2021-05-04T23:11:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-05-04T23:11:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a valuable asset to this community, clearly
2021-05-04T23:12:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://inv.skyn3t.in/watch?v=v4xZUr0BEfE
2021-05-04T23:12:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is also a very good song
2021-05-04T23:14:56 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> acheam: kicker lol
2021-05-04T23:15:07 #kisslinux <acheam> bruv
2021-05-04T23:15:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> b r u v i n n i t
2021-05-04T23:15:16 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> took me a moment to work out what you were asking, i haven't sailed in ages :(
2021-05-04T23:15:31 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> vang is an americanism
2021-05-04T23:15:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> grab some booze from the tesco on your way back from the footie acheam
2021-05-04T23:15:40 #kisslinux <acheam> no its a correctism
2021-05-04T23:15:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> >correctism
2021-05-04T23:15:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm stealing that
2021-05-04T23:15:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's mine now
2021-05-04T23:16:02 #kisslinux <acheam> oi
2021-05-04T23:16:04 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> oof
2021-05-04T23:16:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> what're you gonna do?
2021-05-04T23:16:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> DMCA me?
2021-05-04T23:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> your puny laws have no effect here
2021-05-04T23:18:21 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: s/puny/punny/g
2021-05-04T23:18:21 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> your punny laws have no effect here
2021-05-04T23:18:26 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> I'm not american -> therefore it's  not correct
2021-05-04T23:18:27 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> why's the wotd kicker anyway
2021-05-04T23:18:27 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> has someone been abusing you acheam
2021-05-04T23:18:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i abuse acheam daily
2021-05-04T23:18:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's my job
2021-05-04T23:18:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> does it pay well?
2021-05-04T23:18:56 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: because mid suggested a pirate song and it got me thinking of sailing lol
2021-05-04T23:19:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> lmao
2021-05-04T23:19:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it pays in keeping me slightly less depressed
2021-05-04T23:19:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> which like
2021-05-04T23:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's cheaper than antidepressants, so i count that as a win
2021-05-04T23:19:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> that's pretty valuable :)
2021-05-04T23:19:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> m   e   h
2021-05-04T23:20:08 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> soz acheam
2021-05-04T23:21:25 #kisslinux <acheam> no need to be sorry
2021-05-04T23:21:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I do it as a favor
2021-05-04T23:22:31 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> how inspirational
2021-05-04T23:23:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> a true ghandi
2021-05-04T23:23:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> or something
2021-05-04T23:23:29 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> talking of inspirational did my email to community come through
2021-05-04T23:23:56 #kisslinux <acheam> the neomutt one?
2021-05-04T23:24:02 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ya
2021-05-04T23:24:04 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-04T23:24:08 #kisslinux <riteo> epic pirate song moment
2021-05-04T23:24:13 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> c'est bon
2021-05-04T23:25:22 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> dilyn: how often does the bubger archive update
2021-05-04T23:27:14 #kisslinux <acheam> i think he said twice a day earlier
2021-05-04T23:27:35 #kisslinux <acheam> so its not per email or anything
2021-05-04T23:28:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> the "generated" line at the bottom of the archives are from longer ago than that though
2021-05-04T23:29:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> have been having resize-related crashes with aerc for a while, looking at the crash report I commented with... there are some interesting lines in it
2021-05-04T23:29:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://todo.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/aerc2/478#event-80381
2021-05-04T23:29:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> referencing the builddir for aerc
2021-05-04T23:31:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> the archives are updated I think every ten minutes nowadays but they're only regenerated if something new is added
2021-05-04T23:32:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> check in 10 minutes to see if your mails have shown up :P
2021-05-04T23:32:23 #kisslinux <acheam> oh oops
2021-05-04T23:32:35 #kisslinux <acheam> yes the resize related issues are real
2021-05-04T23:32:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I avoid this problem by simply never resizing
2021-05-04T23:33:05 #kisslinux <acheam> 80x24 forever
2021-05-04T23:33:14 #kisslinux <acheam> i dont have them *that* much
2021-05-04T23:33:17 #kisslinux <acheam> but I do sometimes
2021-05-04T23:33:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem with mails showing up in the archive is that rn i'm mainly copying them to the right folder in aerc because i need to tighten up the sieve script I was using
2021-05-04T23:33:32 #kisslinux <acheam> although I do sympathize because my curses program also has totally inexplicable resize creashes
2021-05-04T23:33:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> turns out moving mails also triggers sieve, so mails were getting duped
2021-05-04T23:33:56 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-05-04T23:34:01 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ach
2021-05-04T23:34:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-05-04T23:34:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah so until I bother to fix that up, I've just been moving them as I respond to them
2021-05-04T23:41:23 #kisslinux <acheam> write a shell script that watches the aerc log for when you respond to it, then sshs into the server and moves it
2021-05-04T23:41:26 #kisslinux <acheam> :p
2021-05-04T23:43:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> buy an rpi that listens over imap to see when i respond to an email, which then signals my other embedded device to spin up a docker image of syncthing...
2021-05-04T23:43:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> that sends a special text message to my phone encoded in such a way that it opens the mail app and moves the email for me
2021-05-04T23:43:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> also replies 'ThanksnnDilyn'
2021-05-04T23:44:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> or just set up a cronjob
2021-05-04T23:44:14 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-04T23:44:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> also to whomever asked about including the commits in the This Month In KISS posts, I decided to spend two minutes learning about git log and they will be in the next one :v
2021-05-04T23:44:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> OR! get this fam
2021-05-04T23:44:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I could just fix up my sieve script
2021-05-04T23:44:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> :O  :O  :O
2021-05-04T23:44:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> :O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2021-05-04T23:44:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2021-05-04T23:45:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-04T23:45:04 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: twas me :)
2021-05-04T23:45:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> i figured haha
2021-05-04T23:45:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> le reddit soy face
2021-05-04T23:45:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> actually this is just a matter of changing a line in the dovecot configuration to ignore when certain emails go to the Trash
2021-05-04T23:45:27 #kisslinux <acheam> who else would pester you enough for something as small as that
2021-05-04T23:45:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> The Trash:tm:
2021-05-04T23:45:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> Danny Devito approved
2021-05-04T23:45:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-04T23:45:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I rely on acheam to make me stay the course
2021-05-04T23:46:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> and stay awake
2021-05-04T23:46:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> and grumble
2021-05-04T23:47:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's a hot take
2021-05-04T23:47:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of remaking FFVII, Square should have retooled FFVI
2021-05-04T23:47:40 #kisslinux <riteo> random off-topic thing: did the k1ss.org domain eventually get available for buying, or will is it still unavailable? Will you buy it eventually?
2021-05-04T23:47:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> much better game
2021-05-04T23:48:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> it basically immediately got swallowed up by some fellow
2021-05-04T23:48:17 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: lol not off topic
2021-05-04T23:48:21 #kisslinux <acheam> its available to buy again
2021-05-04T23:48:25 #kisslinux <acheam> but obscenely expensive
2021-05-04T23:48:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> we don't ALLOW off-topic discussion in this channel
2021-05-04T23:48:37 #kisslinux <riteo> well, you were talking about other stuff
2021-05-04T23:48:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> #kisslinux is a highly focused and professional room
2021-05-04T23:48:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean it's 'available' in the sense that it's only parked and unused
2021-05-04T23:48:47 #kisslinux <acheam> if riteo's question is off topic.... god
2021-05-04T23:48:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> of Professionals
2021-05-04T23:48:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and Enterprise Individuals
2021-05-04T23:49:06 #kisslinux <acheam> the only topic is off topic
2021-05-04T23:49:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> This is now embedded edge compute chat
2021-05-04T23:49:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> buzzword cloud buzzword k8 buzzword instances
2021-05-04T23:49:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> embedded computing was a mistake
2021-05-04T23:49:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> toasters were not meant to connect to the internet
2021-05-04T23:49:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> but if I can't decide to do complex encrypted computing on devices that ostensibly should not be doing it
2021-05-04T23:49:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> what's even the point :'(
2021-05-04T23:49:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> there was never a point to begin with
2021-05-04T23:50:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> nihilism gang
2021-05-04T23:50:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> How will I accurately measure a cup of water if my sink does not do it for me!
2021-05-04T23:50:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have to use this outlandish plastic doohickey called
2021-05-04T23:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> get this
2021-05-04T23:50:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> a measuring cup
2021-05-04T23:50:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> shockingly, it measures things
2021-05-04T23:50:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> in cups
2021-05-04T23:50:38 #kisslinux <riteo> ohh the best part is when the hippy new cool hedge funding not absolutely a money laundering scheme goes bankrupt and the servers die leaving you with the most stupid paperweight ever
2021-05-04T23:50:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> volumes are unknowable in and of themselves
2021-05-04T23:50:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> #kantgnag
2021-05-04T23:50:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> gnag
2021-05-04T23:50:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> gnaggnag
2021-05-04T23:51:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss gnag when
2021-05-04T23:51:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I love $product as a service!
2021-05-04T23:51:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> paas
2021-05-04T23:51:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like
2021-05-04T23:51:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> paas on this trash
2021-05-04T23:51:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> Why pay a finite amount for software when I can *checks notes* pay limitless sums to have less
2021-05-04T23:52:26 #kisslinux <riteo> saas that works offline (photoshop) is so stupid as people will just crack it
2021-05-04T23:52:33 #kisslinux <riteo> an those taht only work online are slow as hell
2021-05-04T23:52:38 #kisslinux <riteo> s/taht/that/g
2021-05-04T23:52:38 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> an those that only work online are slow as hell
2021-05-04T23:52:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am highly motivated to start converting my vinyls to flac rn, and am only blocked by my lack of desire to install gtk+3 for audacity, OR
2021-05-04T23:52:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> rebooting
2021-05-04T23:52:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> :|
2021-05-04T23:52:59 #kisslinux <riteo> I feel you lmao
2021-05-04T23:53:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> >convert my vinyl to FLAC
2021-05-04T23:53:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> have we reached maximum hipster
2021-05-04T23:53:14 #kisslinux <riteo> rebooting is so simple, yet so hard to do, even on an SSD
2021-05-04T23:53:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck do you mean
2021-05-04T23:53:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> it takes four seconds and yet, here I am
2021-05-04T23:53:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's literally less than two seconds
2021-05-04T23:53:42 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: there's literally just a line in a text file you can change to get unlimited adobe CC trial
2021-05-04T23:53:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want pain, use a server board
2021-05-04T23:53:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have to type six commands AND a password!
2021-05-04T23:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> memory initialization on my rig takes like three minutes
2021-05-04T23:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then it beeps at you like it's the fitness gram pacer test
2021-05-04T23:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it scares the shit out of me every time
2021-05-04T23:55:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> just disable the audio interfaces like a true 1337 user
2021-05-04T23:55:13 #kisslinux <riteo> acheam: reminds me of FL studio
2021-05-04T23:55:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a PC speaker
2021-05-04T23:55:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> pull it out
2021-05-04T23:55:23 #kisslinux <riteo> "professional" software is a joke
2021-05-04T23:55:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's soldered to the board
2021-05-04T23:55:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> fivehead
2021-05-04T23:55:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> or demagnetize it
2021-05-04T23:55:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, no
2021-05-04T23:55:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-05-04T23:55:37 #kisslinux <riteo> isn't there a BIOS option for that?
2021-05-04T23:55:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not disabling the speaker
2021-05-04T23:55:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> burn the board
2021-05-04T23:55:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> desolder it
2021-05-04T23:55:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a useful diagnostic tool
2021-05-04T23:55:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid you MUST
2021-05-04T23:55:47 #kisslinux <riteo> how cna you demagnetize a piezoelectric spekaer
2021-05-04T23:55:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> with fire
2021-05-04T23:55:57 #kisslinux <riteo> s/spekaer/speaker/g
2021-05-04T23:55:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> how cna you demagnetize a piezoelectric speaker
2021-05-04T23:56:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> cna
2021-05-04T23:56:06 #kisslinux <riteo> bruh
2021-05-04T23:56:12 #kisslinux <riteo> I'm not SEDing it
2021-05-04T23:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> hurb
2021-05-04T23:56:49 #kisslinux <riteo> grub
2021-05-04T23:56:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally I could install libreboot or coreboot on this
2021-05-04T23:57:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> now *that* would be based
2021-05-04T23:57:13 #kisslinux <riteo> infinitely based
2021-05-04T23:57:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was originally going to get one of those dual-processor bulldozer boards that the FSF recommends
2021-05-04T23:57:49 #kisslinux <riteo> why would the FSF recommend one of those
2021-05-04T23:57:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it can be librebooted
2021-05-04T23:58:10 #kisslinux <riteo> why can we libreboot a dual processor board
2021-05-04T23:58:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the FSF needs servers
2021-05-04T23:58:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> presumably.
2021-05-04T23:58:23 #kisslinux <riteo> oh my god
2021-05-04T23:58:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> too bad bulldozer is trash
2021-05-04T23:58:28 #kisslinux <riteo> they use librebooted servers?
2021-05-04T23:58:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh, as far as I know
2021-05-04T23:58:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-05-04T23:58:39 #kisslinux <riteo> that's INCREDIBLY based
2021-05-04T23:58:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> >fsf
2021-05-04T23:58:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes
2021-05-04T23:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> the FSF only uses completely libre software
2021-05-04T23:58:51 #kisslinux <riteo> madlads
2021-05-04T23:58:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and hardware, too, where possible
2021-05-04T23:59:01 #kisslinux <acheam> they use proprietary network services though
2021-05-04T23:59:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> ergo aMd
2021-05-04T23:59:06 #kisslinux <acheam> lets cancel 'em
2021-05-04T23:59:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> do they?
2021-05-04T23:59:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i thought they hosted all their own stuff
2021-05-04T23:59:30 #kisslinux <acheam> they use twitter and stuff
2021-05-04T23:59:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-05-04T23:59:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-05-04T23:59:42 #kisslinux <riteo> well, that's a price to pay to get people into the loop
2021-05-04T23:59:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> their response would be that it's a platform
2021-05-04T23:59:49 #kisslinux <acheam> get yer own loop