2021-05-11T00:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> man,
2021-05-11T00:19:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> the more that I think about it, the more I kind of just want to go back to slackware
2021-05-11T00:20:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I spent half as much time reading as I did troubleshooting compile errors, I'd be a fuckin renaissance man
2021-05-11T00:23:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> to be fair you do a lot of "non-standard" things, there's a lot of edge cases just lying around to stumble on
2021-05-11T00:23:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah no like
2021-05-11T00:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's totally my fault
2021-05-11T00:23:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's still depressing as shit
2021-05-11T00:24:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> its more fun than just point-and-clicking whatever the newest flatpak is so i guess there's that?
2021-05-11T00:25:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's just it
2021-05-11T00:25:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not having fun
2021-05-11T00:25:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> . -.
2021-05-11T00:25:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just keep telling yourself its fun
2021-05-11T00:25:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "fake it till you make it"
2021-05-11T00:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-05-11T00:25:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong
2021-05-11T00:26:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> just because I'm not having fun doesn't make it a bad thing. i'm not getting furious over every random decision upstream makes
2021-05-11T00:26:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is decidedly an improvement
2021-05-11T00:27:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should start building packages in sandboxes...
2021-05-11T00:27:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> a good idea yes
2021-05-11T00:30:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> is there a way to merge a commit from a different branch to replace the last commit?
2021-05-11T00:31:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> like, i don't want HEAD's last commit, but i want foobranch's in this branch
2021-05-11T00:31:16 #kisslinux <acheam> merge it then squash?
2021-05-11T00:31:31 #kisslinux <acheam> or remove HEAD~1 then merge
2021-05-11T00:31:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah yea
2021-05-11T00:31:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> bit boring tho
2021-05-11T00:31:58 #kisslinux <acheam> lol what do you want fireworks and explosions?
2021-05-11T00:32:14 #kisslinux <phoebos> i was ready for some sexy git action
2021-05-11T00:38:51 #kisslinux <acheam> did it work?
2021-05-11T00:40:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> eh i actually decided to keep the last commit and just manually applied the change to HEAD~
2021-05-11T00:52:47 #kisslinux <acheam> hi sad_plan
2021-05-11T00:52:55 #kisslinux <acheam> any luck?
2021-05-11T00:52:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hey
2021-05-11T00:54:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, it seems like it. its currently building. earlier it failed after like 2 minutes or so. now its been building for something like 20 minutes or so. building rust and llvm takes foreeever
2021-05-11T00:54:36 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-05-11T01:01:21 #kisslinux <sad_plan> anyways. checked out any cool projects lately?
2021-05-11T01:08:48 #kisslinux <acheam> well best of luck on it
2021-05-11T01:09:05 #kisslinux <acheam> uh nothing comes to mind
2021-05-11T01:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> daily reminder that rust bad
2021-05-11T01:09:15 #kisslinux <acheam> although i'm sure that there have been some
2021-05-11T01:09:25 #kisslinux <acheam> but nothing that i've integrated into my workflow or anything
2021-05-11T01:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-11T01:09:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, if you want something nifty and useful, you might like hostapd
2021-05-11T01:10:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> helps expedite and manage the process of using a regular wireless radio as an AP
2021-05-11T01:11:30 #kisslinux <acheam> motif I suppose
2021-05-11T01:11:42 #kisslinux <acheam> its a very cool gui toolkit
2021-05-11T01:11:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> motif is very nice
2021-05-11T01:11:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's extremely polished
2021-05-11T01:12:04 #kisslinux <acheam> xaw++
2021-05-11T01:12:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's just xawm
2021-05-11T01:12:27 #kisslinux <acheam> part of me wishes it is cross platform, part of me is happy it sticks close to xorg
2021-05-11T01:12:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-05-11T01:13:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec
2021-05-11T01:13:02 #kisslinux <acheam> s/xorg/X11/g
2021-05-11T01:13:02 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> part of me wishes it is cross platform, part of me is happy it sticks close to X11
2021-05-11T01:13:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=cIe0nQnjAgQ
2021-05-11T01:13:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> lots of old-school unix references in this
2021-05-11T01:13:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the song is a banger too
2021-05-11T01:15:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, the two biggest problems with motif are its font support and the fact that literally nothing uses it any more
2021-05-11T01:16:30 #kisslinux <acheam> easy solution to problem 2:
2021-05-11T01:16:33 #kisslinux <acheam> right more programs in it
2021-05-11T01:16:50 #kisslinux <acheam> s/right/write/g
2021-05-11T01:16:50 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> write more programs in it
2021-05-11T01:17:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-05-11T01:17:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, I might give it a shot
2021-05-11T01:17:22 #kisslinux <acheam> I might slowly reimplement more of my day to day programs in it
2021-05-11T01:17:30 #kisslinux <acheam> thinking of writing a dmenu kind of thing in it
2021-05-11T01:17:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of what I use is Xaw tech
2021-05-11T01:17:44 #kisslinux <acheam> how you can do that without killing yourself I do not understand
2021-05-11T01:17:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> because xaw is lightning fast
2021-05-11T01:17:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i tried using xed once
2021-05-11T01:18:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus christ
2021-05-11T01:18:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> not
2021-05-11T01:18:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-05-11T01:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> stay away
2021-05-11T01:18:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> do not TOUCH xedit
2021-05-11T01:18:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> xedit has some cool features, like a Lisp interpreter,
2021-05-11T01:18:30 #kisslinux <acheam> oi i only tried it out because I saw it in *your* xresources repo
2021-05-11T01:18:31 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh
2021-05-11T01:18:32 #kisslinux <acheam> so its
2021-05-11T01:18:33 #kisslinux <acheam> emacs
2021-05-11T01:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like
2021-05-11T01:18:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> diet emacs
2021-05-11T01:18:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> except it hasn't been touched since the early '00s
2021-05-11T01:18:49 #kisslinux <acheam> why not just use mg then?
2021-05-11T01:18:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it doesn't have a nifty gui
2021-05-11T01:19:01 #kisslinux <acheam> thats about 10 years later than I thought it would have lol
2021-05-11T01:19:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-05-11T01:19:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-05-11T01:19:25 #kisslinux <acheam> crap
2021-05-11T01:19:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep in mind that gtk2 didn't come out until the mid-early '00s
2021-05-11T01:19:35 #kisslinux <acheam> i just wrote a program called mmenu
2021-05-11T01:19:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and gtk1 was basically only used in gimp
2021-05-11T01:19:42 #kisslinux <acheam> and now I want to write a dmenu replacement in motif
2021-05-11T01:19:44 #kisslinux <acheam> what do I call it
2021-05-11T01:19:48 #kisslinux <acheam> besides mmenu
2021-05-11T01:19:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> momen
2021-05-11T01:20:13 #kisslinux <acheam> done
2021-05-11T01:20:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, if you like combinations
2021-05-11T01:20:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i normally anthropomorphize my programs
2021-05-11T01:20:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> so like, the script that I use to take screenshots is called hunter, my wallpaper manager is the paperboy, etc
2021-05-11T01:22:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I need to draft a schedule
2021-05-11T01:22:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> figure out what times I can spend studying, what times are for programming, and what times I need to force myself to have some sort of leisure
2021-05-11T01:22:39 #kisslinux * midfavila snaps their fingers!
2021-05-11T01:22:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a program idea right there. an organizer
2021-05-11T01:23:05 #kisslinux <acheam> xcalendar?
2021-05-11T01:23:10 #kisslinux <acheam> or whatever its called
2021-05-11T01:23:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> xcalendar is fantastic
2021-05-11T01:23:11 #kisslinux <acheam> xcal
2021-05-11T01:23:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> unironically one of the best calendar programs I've ever used
2021-05-11T01:23:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it actually supports motif
2021-05-11T01:23:42 #kisslinux <acheam> so why not just use that
2021-05-11T01:23:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's so old that I'd feel better rewriting it
2021-05-11T01:23:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and also
2021-05-11T01:23:55 #kisslinux <acheam> whats wrong with it being old lo
2021-05-11T01:23:56 #kisslinux <acheam> l
2021-05-11T01:24:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> it uses imake
2021-05-11T01:24:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you ever used image
2021-05-11T01:24:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> imake*
2021-05-11T01:24:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's awful
2021-05-11T01:24:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> like it's so bad
2021-05-11T01:24:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> think of the worst build system you can,
2021-05-11T01:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> combine it with the second and third worst,
2021-05-11T01:24:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then double that
2021-05-11T01:24:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's still not as bad as imake
2021-05-11T01:25:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> first off,
2021-05-11T01:25:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> it uses the C preprocessor to generate build scripts
2021-05-11T01:26:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> next off, it uses its own little template system to figure out what goes where
2021-05-11T01:26:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> the *problem*
2021-05-11T01:26:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that it's fucking impossible to find a default imake template
2021-05-11T01:26:30 #kisslinux <acheam> You've ranted about this before
2021-05-11T01:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I'll stop whle I'm ahead
2021-05-11T01:26:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> point is,
2021-05-11T01:27:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> rewriting it to be more portable, simpler, and generally less crusty is a good thing
2021-05-11T01:30:29 #kisslinux <acheam> you dont have to start from scratch
2021-05-11T01:30:38 #kisslinux <acheam> just fork it an rewrite the build system and stuff
2021-05-11T01:30:48 #kisslinux <acheam> remove code you dont need, etc
2021-05-11T01:30:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd have to rewrite a good portion of it anyway
2021-05-11T01:31:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-11T01:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should package motif for KISS
2021-05-11T01:31:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> having dtwm be available would be nice
2021-05-11T01:32:39 #kisslinux <sad_plan> rust isnt that bad. yeah it takes a long time to compile from source, but rust is still a great language imo :p
2021-05-11T01:33:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would have fewer problems with rust if a)
2021-05-11T01:33:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> it didn't use a terrible build system
2021-05-11T01:33:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> b) it didn't have a language-specific package manager
2021-05-11T01:33:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> c) people stopped trying to push it as the next holy grail
2021-05-11T01:34:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's also the problem of its non-x86 support being basically non-existent...
2021-05-11T01:34:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> while I could agree to those points, it is still fairly new, so it still needs some time to be developed and so on. still very few compilers just to name something
2021-05-11T01:34:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> see
2021-05-11T01:34:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's the thing
2021-05-11T01:34:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> its promising imo
2021-05-11T01:35:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be a valid argument if people stopped trying to push it into everything
2021-05-11T01:35:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> by pushing rust into everything under the sun you're forcing people into relying on a, if not experimental, then unstable language
2021-05-11T01:35:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that I can agree on. rust is obviously not any magical solution to all the worlds programming issues, in any way.
2021-05-11T01:35:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^indeed
2021-05-11T01:37:12 #kisslinux <sad_plan> however, if people wont use rust, for whatever the reason, rust wont develop either, atleast not as fast anyway
2021-05-11T01:37:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure
2021-05-11T01:37:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is why you start *new* projects in rust
2021-05-11T01:37:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> that take advantage of the language's unique features
2021-05-11T01:37:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then once it's stable and battle-tested, integrate it into stuff like Linux and other important projects
2021-05-11T01:39:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >non-x86 support being basically non-existant
2021-05-11T01:39:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> No, no, Rust supports quite a few of the platofms that LLVM supports
2021-05-11T01:39:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> well sure. new projects are great, but so are reviving old ones, that has long since seen any updates, or has grown so big, its now just a bloated mess, and noone would ever be interested in fixing its code base.
2021-05-11T01:40:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> does rust work on POWER yet
2021-05-11T01:40:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> like the uutils stuff, I like the idea. reimplementing old ideas, with new minds, and new solutions on how to fix stuff. it would needed to be rewritten in rust per say, but you get the idea.
2021-05-11T01:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, I get that
2021-05-11T01:41:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> woulndt*
2021-05-11T01:41:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's not a *bad* idea or whatever
2021-05-11T01:41:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> right
2021-05-11T01:41:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> but at the same time, constant reinvention of the wheel is why open source/free software projects are so...
2021-05-11T01:41:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugly?
2021-05-11T01:41:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> disorganized?
2021-05-11T01:41:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> messy?
2021-05-11T01:42:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's something to be said about polishing something for an extended period of time
2021-05-11T01:42:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> see: MOTIF
2021-05-11T01:42:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah
2021-05-11T01:42:30 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I had to look into what motif was tbh
2021-05-11T01:42:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of the OG X11 toolkits
2021-05-11T01:42:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> There is, but at the same time sometimes, just sometimes, it's more than fine to just rewrite a tool in a better language
2021-05-11T01:42:51 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah
2021-05-11T01:42:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> "better" is highly subjective
2021-05-11T01:43:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> "muh memory safety" does not a superior tool make
2021-05-11T01:43:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm afraid it does
2021-05-11T01:43:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm afraid we're going to have to disagree
2021-05-11T01:43:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm sure anyone affected, by, say, heartbleed would agree :P
2021-05-11T01:43:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna stop you right there
2021-05-11T01:43:46 #kisslinux <acheam> c just puts the burden on the programmer instead of the language
2021-05-11T01:43:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem isn't that bash was written in C
2021-05-11T01:43:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what
2021-05-11T01:44:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is that bash is a fucking mess
2021-05-11T01:44:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uh
2021-05-11T01:44:08 #kisslinux <acheam> and lots of rust isn't safely written
2021-05-11T01:44:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heartbleed? bash?
2021-05-11T01:44:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...or wait, am I thinking of a different issue...
2021-05-11T01:44:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-11T01:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, openssl
2021-05-11T01:44:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> same logic applies there
2021-05-11T01:44:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> openssl is a crufty ancient mess full of overcomplications. the problem was shitty scope control
2021-05-11T01:44:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> No, the hearbleed issue wasn't because there wasn't too many lines of code
2021-05-11T01:45:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heartbleed was because C makes developers do  all the memory management
2021-05-11T01:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> less complicated code reduces the chance for mistakes, though. or am I wrong?
2021-05-11T01:45:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> legit question
2021-05-11T01:46:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It does indeed. Now imagine code that's less complicated *and* written in a memory safe language! :)
2021-05-11T01:46:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> again
2021-05-11T01:46:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> does rust run on POWER yet
2021-05-11T01:46:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> can I not be forced to use cargo yet
2021-05-11T01:46:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> can I for the love of god use more than four threads during builds
2021-05-11T01:46:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-05-11T01:47:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> No, no, yes
2021-05-11T01:47:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> err
2021-05-11T01:47:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> No, yes, yes
2021-05-11T01:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool, call me when it's all yeses and I don't need LLVM for it
2021-05-11T01:47:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> until then I'm happy with C and LISP
2021-05-11T01:48:09 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: thanks to you. momen is now a thing
2021-05-11T01:48:15 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/momen
2021-05-11T01:48:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm glad my services were of use
2021-05-11T01:48:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> MOTIF Menu/Mo' Menus
2021-05-11T01:48:40 #kisslinux <acheam> a whopping 36 lines of C
2021-05-11T01:48:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> make sure you managed your memory properly!1!!!11
2021-05-11T01:51:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> meh, with a small tool like that you can just allocated your shit whenever and not bother to free them
2021-05-11T01:51:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> should you not strive to write clean and proper code no matter what?
2021-05-11T01:51:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> properly freeing stuff isn't a big issue in a small tool like that, because the OS will free it at the end anyway
2021-05-11T01:51:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I do free two variables right before exiting
2021-05-11T01:51:46 #kisslinux <acheam> probably a waste
2021-05-11T01:51:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that's fine too
2021-05-11T01:51:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just saying, it doesn't really matter that much
2021-05-11T01:52:04 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-05-11T01:52:07 #kisslinux <acheam> no reason not to
2021-05-11T01:52:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-11T01:52:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> does MOTIF obey Xresources?
2021-05-11T01:52:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i vaguely recall hearing it does
2021-05-11T02:25:20 #kisslinux <sad_plan> how do you guys keep track of when packages are updated really? ive been curious about that for some time tbh :p
2021-05-11T02:25:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> how do you mean, "keep track of when packages are updated"
2021-05-11T02:25:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you mean a new release tarball?
2021-05-11T02:25:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah
2021-05-11T02:25:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-05-11T02:26:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS comes with a script to check repology or whatever
2021-05-11T02:26:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> rss feeds? :p
2021-05-11T02:26:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> either RSS or the aforementioned script
2021-05-11T02:26:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> the kiss outdated script?
2021-05-11T02:26:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ?
2021-05-11T02:26:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I think so
2021-05-11T02:26:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I see :p
2021-05-11T02:26:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't bother keeping super up to date on my packages...
2021-05-11T02:26:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i probably should
2021-05-11T02:26:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> usually I go through them like once a month
2021-05-11T02:28:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> well yeah, I was just curious as to how you guys maanged to keep so many packages up to date at all time. I do wanna eventually make my own repo independent off of the official ones, but yeah, I got some stuff to figure out first really :p
2021-05-11T02:28:02 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: ye
2021-05-11T02:28:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it does obey xresoureces that is
2021-05-11T02:28:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> very based
2021-05-11T02:28:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I think i mentioned that on here yesterday lol
2021-05-11T02:28:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, everyone does their own thing, sad_plan
2021-05-11T02:28:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's no obligations to anyone but yourself, short of being a community maintainer
2021-05-11T02:28:47 #kisslinux <acheam> i just keep RSS feeds
2021-05-11T02:29:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been thinking of writing a script to scrape the git release pages of my packages
2021-05-11T02:29:22 #kisslinux <acheam> why? most git web frontends have rss feeds
2021-05-11T02:29:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't use rss
2021-05-11T02:29:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I don't intend to start
2021-05-11T02:29:35 #kisslinux <acheam> then you're missing out
2021-05-11T02:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> not really
2021-05-11T02:29:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i tried it for a while
2021-05-11T02:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i didn't like it
2021-05-11T02:29:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I mean, I would like to help in any way I can. but I honestly got enough on my own hands really :p
2021-05-11T02:29:52 #kisslinux <acheam> i can't imagine a minimal digital life without RSS
2021-05-11T02:29:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> rss is great. I use that for yt channels
2021-05-11T02:29:59 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^
2021-05-11T02:30:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> rss isn't "minimal"
2021-05-11T02:30:11 #kisslinux <acheam> its just xml?
2021-05-11T02:30:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> you misunderstand
2021-05-11T02:30:19 #kisslinux <acheam> its more minimal than subscribing to a youtube channel
2021-05-11T02:30:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> it may be *technically* minimal
2021-05-11T02:30:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's aesthetically bloat
2021-05-11T02:30:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> constant notifications aren't my style
2021-05-11T02:30:38 #kisslinux <acheam> aesthetically?
2021-05-11T02:30:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-05-11T02:30:43 #kisslinux <sad_plan> how so?
2021-05-11T02:30:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, how it looks and feels
2021-05-11T02:30:49 #kisslinux <acheam> thats your reader
2021-05-11T02:30:50 #kisslinux <acheam> not RSS
2021-05-11T02:30:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, it's RSS as a concept, for me
2021-05-11T02:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> you just need a reader that works for you, and that can include things like rss2email
2021-05-11T02:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> or
2021-05-11T02:31:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know
2021-05-11T02:31:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can just not
2021-05-11T02:31:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I don't care about RSS :v
2021-05-11T02:31:29 #kisslinux <acheam> if you want to miss out, go ahead
2021-05-11T02:31:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i gave RSS a good shot, I really did
2021-05-11T02:31:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> three and a half months
2021-05-11T02:32:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> for a while I was super plugged in to happenings
2021-05-11T02:32:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> just made me miserable
2021-05-11T02:32:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> acheam; seeing as you use rss, are you using it on you linux machine? I have it on my androi phone, but I dont really wanna clutter it up on my phones rss. is there one in the repos?
2021-05-11T02:32:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I use elfeed
2021-05-11T02:32:27 #kisslinux <acheam> in emacs
2021-05-11T02:32:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> disgusting
2021-05-11T02:32:34 #kisslinux <acheam> don't have it on my phone
2021-05-11T02:32:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> emercks
2021-05-11T02:32:45 #kisslinux <acheam> elfeed + eww + mpv is beatiful
2021-05-11T02:32:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >mpv
2021-05-11T02:32:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> bloat
2021-05-11T02:33:13 #kisslinux <acheam> some people actually need to do more with their video and audio than just play it with a play/pause button
2021-05-11T02:33:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is why you use ffmpeg directly
2021-05-11T02:33:29 #kisslinux * midfavila nods sagely
2021-05-11T02:33:42 #kisslinux <acheam> what if I want to adjust playback speed on the fly?
2021-05-11T02:33:45 #kisslinux <acheam> how about gamma?
2021-05-11T02:33:55 #kisslinux <acheam> or disable/enable closed captioning
2021-05-11T02:34:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> captions is like
2021-05-11T02:34:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing I can even come close to agreeing with you on
2021-05-11T02:34:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if you're watching media that requires captions, you should just have them on.
2021-05-11T02:34:30 #kisslinux <acheam> not necesarily
2021-05-11T02:34:43 #kisslinux <acheam> if i'm watching something in the kitchen, then someone else turns the big fan exhaust thing on
2021-05-11T02:34:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> headphones
2021-05-11T02:34:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-05-11T02:35:11 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a radically different approach
2021-05-11T02:35:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> kitchen headphones are the best kind of headphones
2021-05-11T02:35:36 #kisslinux <acheam> how are those not just headphones?
2021-05-11T02:35:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> because regular headphones don't have a dedicated place and space
2021-05-11T02:35:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> kitchen headphones are specifically for the kitchen
2021-05-11T02:36:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ok
2021-05-11T02:38:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely unrelated
2021-05-11T02:38:20 #kisslinux <acheam> as usual
2021-05-11T02:38:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> but do any of you have experience writing X keymaps?
2021-05-11T02:38:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> hush you
2021-05-11T02:38:34 #kisslinux * midfavila smacks acheam with a rolled-up copy of 2600
2021-05-11T02:39:37 #kisslinux <acheam> oh god
2021-05-11T02:39:39 #kisslinux <acheam> x keymaps
2021-05-11T02:39:45 #kisslinux <acheam> bad experiences
2021-05-11T02:39:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah...
2021-05-11T02:39:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've messed with them before
2021-05-11T02:39:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> wasn't great
2021-05-11T02:40:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I want to see if it's possible to have more than four modifer keys
2021-05-11T02:40:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, you know how the old space cadet boards had six or seven
2021-05-11T02:40:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd love to set my machine up like that
2021-05-11T02:41:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> its cool in theory but unless you're doing some highly specialised work or have a small af keeb, theres really no point to so many modifiers
2021-05-11T02:41:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i disagree
2021-05-11T02:41:50 #kisslinux <acheam> hit multiple modifiers at once
2021-05-11T02:41:59 #kisslinux <acheam> for extra layers
2021-05-11T02:42:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not about layers
2021-05-11T02:42:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use modifiers to change the context of actions
2021-05-11T02:42:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> so F11 might, say, maximize the focused window. but shift might maximize all windows on a screen. dumb example but it illustrates the concept
2021-05-11T02:47:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> ig how you and i work is vastly different coz it sounds liek you're just creating more middlemen/steps
2021-05-11T02:47:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally I'd like to have ctrl, alt and del reserved for use specifically by applications
2021-05-11T02:47:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then further modifers for use by exclusively the window manager.
2021-05-11T02:48:05 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-11T02:56:31 #kisslinux <sad_plan> how exacly do one put files into the builddir for a package? do I put it into the buildscript? i.e. git cloning it? Im trying to package glazier, and for whatever reason, it needs libwm to be inside the git dir. its rather trivial to build it myself, but the buildscript for me isnt really working..
2021-05-11T02:57:54 #kisslinux <acheam> you can put it in soucres
2021-05-11T02:58:11 #kisslinux <acheam> s/s.*/sources/g
2021-05-11T02:58:11 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> you can put it in sources
2021-05-11T02:58:30 #kisslinux <acheam> that will download/clown it into the build dir
2021-05-11T02:59:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> clown the sources
2021-05-11T02:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> clown all the things
2021-05-11T02:59:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> truly we live in a git repo
2021-05-11T03:00:36 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hm, I added the source for libwm, and the checksum, still same error though
2021-05-11T03:01:17 #kisslinux <acheam> im tired ok
2021-05-11T03:01:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> no excuses
2021-05-11T03:01:29 #kisslinux <acheam> my mind was on "chown"
2021-05-11T03:01:31 #kisslinux <sad_plan> lol
2021-05-11T03:01:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> inject five hour energy directly into your eyeballs
2021-05-11T03:01:50 #kisslinux <acheam> i need that
2021-05-11T03:02:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I have a 5 page draft due tomorrow that i've written precisely 0 of
2021-05-11T03:02:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> smh
2021-05-11T03:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> sounds like someone should be writing that draft instead of writing MOTIF programs
2021-05-11T03:02:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thonk:
2021-05-11T03:02:48 #kisslinux <acheam> but motif is fun
2021-05-11T03:02:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> whats the draft on
2021-05-11T03:03:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> repeating a semester is very not fun, however
2021-05-11T03:03:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-05-11T03:03:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ask me how I know
2021-05-11T03:03:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> for once mid has wisdom
2021-05-11T03:03:10 #kisslinux <acheam> its not a huge deadline
2021-05-11T03:03:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey
2021-05-11T03:03:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> :>
2021-05-11T03:03:17 #kisslinux <acheam> just an essay for an english class
2021-05-11T03:03:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have *some* knowledge
2021-05-11T03:03:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just not *useful*
2021-05-11T03:03:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew, english essays
2021-05-11T03:03:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i always hated language classes
2021-05-11T03:04:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I like language classes
2021-05-11T03:04:17 #kisslinux <acheam> just not english
2021-05-11T03:04:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i only really enjoyed science and mathematics
2021-05-11T03:04:23 #kisslinux <acheam> actually not even language classes
2021-05-11T03:04:25 #kisslinux <acheam> just Latin
2021-05-11T03:04:37 #kisslinux <acheam> ok have to focus on this now
2021-05-11T03:04:42 #kisslinux <acheam> watch me be back in 5 min
2021-05-11T03:04:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wouldn't have minded P.E but it was fucking BORING
2021-05-11T03:04:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> no fun sports
2021-05-11T03:05:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> "go run in a circle for half an hour"
2021-05-11T03:37:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-05-11T03:38:22 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-05-11T03:43:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you guys normally set your $EDITOR?
2021-05-11T03:45:21 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-11T03:45:28 #kisslinux <acheam> why wouldnt i?
2021-05-11T03:45:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea, just checking
2021-05-11T03:46:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> working on my build scripts, some of them benefit from user input
2021-05-11T03:46:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> added a check for $EDITOR to help facilitate that
2021-05-11T03:46:36 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-11T03:47:16 #kisslinux <acheam> if "read" isn't enough, and parsing stdin isn't a nice enough interface, usually I do ${EDITOR:-vi}
2021-05-11T03:47:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...shit, I always forget that you can do that
2021-05-11T03:47:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I test if a variable is non-zero length
2021-05-11T03:48:15 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor2 showed me this :)
2021-05-11T03:48:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I did that too for a while
2021-05-11T03:48:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i came across it a few days ago
2021-05-11T03:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I was like
2021-05-11T03:48:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> "wow that's nifty, I'm totally gonna remember this"
2021-05-11T03:48:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ff to today
2021-05-11T03:48:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I need to learn the parameter expansion stuff better
2021-05-11T03:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just need to sit down and actually read my shell's manpage some time.
2021-05-11T03:56:20 #kisslinux <acheam> man dash is pretty good
2021-05-11T03:56:34 #kisslinux <acheam> its not my daily shell but it has a nice manpage
2021-05-11T03:56:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> dash would be my ideal shell if it had readline support
2021-05-11T03:56:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> as is I just use oksh
2021-05-11T04:12:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> yash is another nice shell
2021-05-11T04:15:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, on that note, I need to sleep
2021-05-11T04:15:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> quarter after one...
2021-05-11T04:15:18 #kisslinux <acheam> me as well
2021-05-11T04:15:23 #kisslinux <acheam> and I'm an hour behind you
2021-05-11T04:15:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't slept in like
2021-05-11T04:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> almost 24hours
2021-05-11T04:15:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think
2021-05-11T04:15:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> had to reset my sleep cycle
2021-05-11T04:16:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> k well
2021-05-11T04:16:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> imma go die
2021-05-11T04:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> have fun with your presentation tomorrow or w/e
2021-05-11T14:39:17 #kisslinux <davidgarland> with dev.gentoo.org down right now is there any way for me to get eudev installed (doing a fresh KISS install) or do I need to just wait it out
2021-05-11T14:40:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess you could ask someone to send you the tarball
2021-05-11T14:40:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or look for a mirror
2021-05-11T14:41:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or steal a binary package from distro
2021-05-11T14:41:27 #kisslinux <davidgarland> so it would be OK if I do find a mirror to just write that in place of dev.gentoo in the sources file of the package?
2021-05-11T14:41:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-05-11T14:41:44 #kisslinux <davidgarland> gotcha thank
2021-05-11T14:41:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `kiss fork eudev; cd eudev` though and then `kiss b` so you can pull new commits from repo without conflicts
2021-05-11T14:42:08 #kisslinux <davidgarland> ooh that's nifty
2021-05-11T14:42:14 #kisslinux <davidgarland> I was planning on just having to re-clone or something
2021-05-11T14:42:15 #kisslinux <davidgarland> very nice
2021-05-11T14:54:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss has a lot of QoL features
2021-05-11T14:54:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to read through it more
2021-05-11T14:54:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also make some more changes... would be nice to cut out portions that aren't relevant to me
2021-05-11T14:57:51 #kisslinux <davidgarland> out of curiosity is it also possible to add multiple sources for the same file? I know you can specify a filename to go along with a source, so it seems reasonable that you might be able to list multiple sources with the same filename then it keep trying until one succeeds both to be fetched and to match the checksum
2021-05-11T14:57:58 #kisslinux <davidgarland> not relevant to me right this moment, but just curious
2021-05-11T14:58:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no cuz every line in sources corresponds to every line in checksums and every source must be downloaded and verified before build
2021-05-11T15:01:23 #kisslinux <davidgarland> don't you usually put the filename next to the checksum anyway?
2021-05-11T15:01:26 #kisslinux <davidgarland> like sha256sum outputs
2021-05-11T15:03:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-05-11T15:03:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> only the checksum without file nam
2021-05-11T15:05:34 #kisslinux <aarng> midfavila: https://termbin.com/ilme
2021-05-11T15:05:51 #kisslinux <aarng> here's the latest version of my sed wrapper
2021-05-11T15:06:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> nifterino, my guy
2021-05-11T15:06:16 #kisslinux <aarng> haven't gotten around to making a repo and packaging it for kiss
2021-05-11T15:07:03 #kisslinux <aarng> some testing would be nice though
2021-05-11T15:07:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> would have been nice if dylan had just gone without -i from the beginning, ngl
2021-05-11T15:07:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'll see if I can test it some time today
2021-05-11T15:07:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> currently tinkering with my laptop
2021-05-11T15:07:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> tryna figure out why xdm is shitting the bed
2021-05-11T15:07:39 #kisslinux <aarng> just put it in a dir and prepend $PATH with that dir
2021-05-11T15:08:20 #kisslinux <aarng> ya, no rush
2021-05-11T15:09:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> XDM is refusing to start, for some reason
2021-05-11T15:09:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-05-11T15:09:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> error logs are as useful as ever
2021-05-11T15:14:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-Bh-.jpg
2021-05-11T15:14:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> relevant image
2021-05-11T15:14:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> a friend sent this to me the other day, woke up to it after staying up to 4AM tinkering with KISS
2021-05-11T15:19:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> took me till 130am yesterday to get kiss set up on my laptop (the sdd i ordered just came in)
2021-05-11T15:21:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod*
2021-05-11T15:22:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> forgot to include touchpad drivers in kernel, forgot to get wifi drivers, bootloader stuff took forever because i originally was going to use efistub but that was not working
2021-05-11T15:22:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i grabbed a kernel one version above the last one that dylan's eiwd repo works with, so that took like an hour for me to figure out and switch over to illliliti's maintained fork
2021-05-11T15:24:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh and LABEL= wasn't working in fstab.  took me a while to realize when i partitioned out the disk, the labels didn't actually get applied.  then even when i set the partition labels, fstab wasn't able to read them
2021-05-11T15:24:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why I always just use /dev/sdx
2021-05-11T15:25:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i usually do but i was like "i'm going to try to do it more correctly this time!"
2021-05-11T15:26:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the one nice thing was that the laptop supports legacy boot as well as uefi, which i didn't realize initially, so i was able to install extlinux just like on my other laptop and get everything booting nicely.  just took a long time to figure that out
2021-05-11T15:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> someone redpill me on tiling window managers
2021-05-11T15:40:59 #kisslinux <acheam> takes less brainpower
2021-05-11T15:41:08 #kisslinux <acheam> no lost windows
2021-05-11T15:41:26 #kisslinux <acheam> less mouse needed
2021-05-11T15:41:36 #kisslinux <acheam> although thats not tiler specific
2021-05-11T15:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-11T15:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been seriously considering giving stumpwm a shot
2021-05-11T15:42:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> purely because of my laptop's, ah... limited screen real estate
2021-05-11T15:47:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY
2021-05-11T15:47:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> reminder that kung fury is mandatory watching
2021-05-11T16:08:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> anyone have a problem building community's rxvt-unicode?
2021-05-11T16:20:00 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: build logs?
2021-05-11T16:20:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah it's got a problem with the C++ standard being used:
2021-05-11T16:20:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> | ../../rxvt-unicode-9.22/src/../libev/ev++.h:379:46: error: ISO C++17 does not
2021-05-11T16:20:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> allow dynamic exception specifications
2021-05-11T16:20:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.mail-archive.com/openembedded-core⊙loo/msg146569.html
2021-05-11T16:20:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Gcc 11 moment
2021-05-11T16:20:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Youll probably need to force ++14
2021-05-11T16:21:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was able to build by specifying CFLAGS="-std=C++11"
2021-05-11T16:21:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well, probably anything prior to 17 i guess?
2021-05-11T16:21:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-05-11T16:21:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Not anything but yeah 11 or 14
2021-05-11T16:22:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is that something that should be handled in the repo build script?  i don't think the patch is upstream official yet
2021-05-11T16:23:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> For now yeah
2021-05-11T16:25:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've had to do something similar ominous_anonymous
2021-05-11T16:26:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was annoying to troubleshoot
2021-05-11T16:39:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah i wasn't sure if it was my system, since this was the first time i had issues buildng and it was on a new install
2021-05-11T17:03:00 #kisslinux <yamchah2> hi
2021-05-11T17:03:11 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi
2021-05-11T17:03:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-05-11T17:06:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> hi
2021-05-11T21:27:35 #kisslinux <claudia02> aloha!
2021-05-11T21:28:03 #kisslinux <claudia02> Half Life running natively on KISS through Xash3d. http://0x0.st/-MrZ.jpg :D:D
2021-05-11T21:30:10 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like matrix.org crapped out
2021-05-11T21:30:21 #kisslinux <acheam> claudia02: very cool
2021-05-11T21:54:13 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: did all matrix users get icked or something
2021-05-11T21:54:24 #kisslinux <acheam> because you're not using matrix.org, right?
2021-05-11T22:29:16 #kisslinux <jedavies> claudia02: That's great! Are you adding this to your games repo? Would like to try that out.
2021-05-11T22:43:54 #kisslinux * midfavila gasps
2021-05-11T22:44:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> that must be what happened to Dyaln!
2021-05-11T22:44:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/Dyaln/Dylan/
2021-05-11T22:44:07 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> that must be what happened to Dylan!
2021-05-11T22:44:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> he was involved in a freak accident in the test chamber
2021-05-11T22:50:48 #kisslinux <sad_plan> he probably contracted squaids in the chambers
2021-05-11T22:51:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> egads
2021-05-11T22:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why we haven't heard from him
2021-05-11T22:51:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> forced to suffer in silence
2021-05-11T22:51:51 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah
2021-05-11T22:54:48 #kisslinux <claudia02> jedavies: I took the script from here which is developed with obsd in mind. https://github.com/osen/openhl
2021-05-11T22:55:49 #kisslinux <claudia02> When buidl.sh is done, I haveo to adjust the "client/server" libs in "prefix/bin/hl" to match the actual build ones.
2021-05-11T22:56:37 #kisslinux <claudia02> Building with the script works flawlessly. I had not success yet to get a working build when I build the stuff by hand.
2021-05-11T22:57:56 #kisslinux <claudia02> The build.sh needs "mono". I have just uploaded that.
2021-05-11T22:58:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> >mono
2021-05-11T22:58:26 #kisslinux <claudia02> ^^
2021-05-11T22:58:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh microsoft
2021-05-11T23:30:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tuHe9lm5vUE