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[2021-05-21T00:28:23Z] <omanom> got a question.  building wf-config, and i'm getting this error: http://ix.io/3nqm
[2021-05-21T00:29:25Z] <omanom> "libxml/parser.h no such file or directory"
[2021-05-21T00:29:50Z] <omanom> however i checked, the include flags have "-I/usr/include/libxml2" and I verified it exists on my system at /usr/include/libxml2/libxml/parser.h
[2021-05-21T00:31:51Z] <omanom> i even tried removing and re-building/installing libxml2 to no effect
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[2021-05-21T01:00:07Z] <acheam> hmm thats odd
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[2021-05-21T01:08:05Z] <lapanom> well, i just symlinked /usr/include/libxml2/libxml to /usr/include/libxml and that worked... can't help feeling like that isn't right though?
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[2021-05-21T01:12:48Z] <claudia02> omanom: I ran into the same problem.
[2021-05-21T01:13:27Z] <claudia02> Though I had it working a few days back. I am not quite sure what changed.
[2021-05-21T01:13:53Z] <lapanom> did you get a subsequent strcat issue building wlroots?
[2021-05-21T01:14:14Z] <lapanom> s/strcat/strncat/
[2021-05-21T01:15:48Z] <lapanom> ok so that one looks to be an issue that was brought up on May 11: https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/issues/2777
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[2021-05-21T02:22:46Z] <phoebos> o/
[2021-05-21T02:23:09Z] <phoebos> MidFavila: why tine
[2021-05-21T02:23:25Z] <MidFavila> i'm sorry. ask me later
[2021-05-21T02:23:26Z] <phoebos> it has the sam regex stuff right
[2021-05-21T02:23:48Z] <phoebos> ok lol (:
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[2021-05-21T02:24:31Z] <phoebos> other people: thoughts on the logs?
[2021-05-21T02:24:53Z] <phoebos> night get rid of the channel name before every message
[2021-05-21T02:24:59Z] <phoebos> *might
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[2021-05-21T02:25:38Z] <phoebos> but is every 15 mins alright
[2021-05-21T02:25:43Z] <acheam> ye
[2021-05-21T02:25:50Z] <phoebos> coolio
[2021-05-21T02:25:54Z] <acheam> i mean, its not your CPU cycles anyhow
[2021-05-21T02:25:56Z] <acheam> lol
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[2021-05-21T02:26:01Z] <phoebos> true
[2021-05-21T02:26:12Z] <acheam> just run it in a while(1) loop
[2021-05-21T02:26:19Z] <acheam> for that instant response time
[2021-05-21T02:26:19Z] <phoebos> i dont wanna be annoying to ctrl-c though lol
[2021-05-21T02:26:24Z] <phoebos> lmao
[2021-05-21T02:26:44Z] <acheam> ye I wonder how the tilde communities have done with crypto miners
[2021-05-21T02:27:12Z] <phoebos> i think most have CoCs forbidding that
[2021-05-21T02:27:36Z] <phoebos> theyre not terribly fast machines either
[2021-05-21T02:29:19Z] <lapanom> i don't really understand crypto miners targeting services like that
[2021-05-21T02:29:46Z] <lapanom> like... they're not going to get enough out of it to make it worthwhile
[2021-05-21T02:30:06Z] <lapanom> especially when they ruin any good will that's left towards crypto mining in general
[2021-05-21T02:30:39Z] <acheam> well if you do it on 100 services you can start to make a bit of money
[2021-05-21T02:31:36Z] <lapanom> do you, though?  like, how much effort does it take to mine anything more than pennies nowadays without a special-built rig?
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[2021-05-21T02:36:55Z] <noocsharp> well clearly its profitable because people are doing it
[2021-05-21T02:43:07Z] <lapanom> i guess, just doesn't seem worth it to me
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[2021-05-21T03:11:24Z] <nylid> I got... banned... from libera.chat... ? 
[2021-05-21T03:11:28Z] <nylid> v strange
[2021-05-21T03:12:31Z] <acheam> thats odd
[2021-05-21T03:12:40Z] <acheam> nothing we did on this channel
[2021-05-21T03:14:03Z] <nylid> yeah no my nick is just outright banned from connecting to the server, let alone any particular channels 
[2021-05-21T03:14:05Z] <nylid> idk why for 
[2021-05-21T03:14:46Z] <acheam> whats your normal nick?
[2021-05-21T03:15:22Z] <nylid> dilyn bruh
[2021-05-21T03:15:31Z] <acheam> oh lol
[2021-05-21T03:15:33Z] <acheam> ohhhhhh
[2021-05-21T03:15:47Z] <nylid> XD
[2021-05-21T03:15:52Z] <acheam> i should have guest from the kiwiirc
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[2021-05-21T03:16:05Z] <nylid> I also have no idea what THAT is
[2021-05-21T03:16:21Z] <acheam> s/guest/guessed/g
[2021-05-21T03:16:25Z] <acheam> what what is?
[2021-05-21T03:17:01Z] <nylid> do you not see a cutsie string after my name
[2021-05-21T03:17:40Z] <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/HwsNv4P.png
[2021-05-21T03:17:40Z] <acheam> no
[2021-05-21T03:18:34Z] <nylid> ah. it's just some dumb thing. idk. 
[2021-05-21T03:18:59Z] <nylid> all sorts of technical difficulties today; my interview meeting confirmation email didn't get through to me :v 
[2021-05-21T03:19:08Z] <nylid> BAD LOOK when you're trying to get a *technical JOB* 
[2021-05-21T03:19:19Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-05-21T03:26:05Z] <nylid> claudia02: still dealing with that chromium problem? 
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[2021-05-21T03:57:54Z] <acheam> nylid: are you appealing this ban?
[2021-05-21T03:57:58Z] <acheam> or is that a tomorrow problem
[2021-05-21T04:02:31Z] <noocsharp> im sure dylin is still available
[2021-05-21T04:03:09Z] <acheam> do us all a favor and just change your name to dylin
[2021-05-21T04:05:00Z] <travankor> phoebos: there's also the whitequark logger too
[2021-05-21T04:05:14Z] <travankor> well guess they're ogne
[2021-05-21T04:05:22Z] <travankor> s/ogne/gone/
[2021-05-21T04:07:04Z] <acheam> i like our current system tbh
[2021-05-21T04:07:07Z] <acheam> its damn simple
[2021-05-21T04:07:09Z] nylid changed nick to dilyn
[2021-05-21T04:07:14Z] <acheam> honestly its better than logbot
[2021-05-21T04:07:19Z] <acheam> because its grepable
[2021-05-21T04:07:32Z] <acheam> who is this dilyn?
[2021-05-21T04:07:36Z] <acheam> i only know dylin
[2021-05-21T04:07:47Z] <dilyn> maybe I just got timed out 
[2021-05-21T04:07:55Z] dilyn changed nick to dilyncorner
[2021-05-21T04:07:56Z] <acheam> phoebos: I mentioned how we were logging to June and they were pleasently amused
[2021-05-21T04:08:01Z] <acheam> nooo
[2021-05-21T04:08:04Z] <acheam> old nick best nick
[2021-05-21T04:08:12Z] dilyncorner changed nick to bite_me
[2021-05-21T04:08:27Z] <acheam> *chomp*
[2021-05-21T04:08:32Z] bite_me changed nick to dilyn
[2021-05-21T04:08:33Z] <dilyn> noty
[2021-05-21T04:08:57Z] <acheam> some times you have to be a noty boy
[2021-05-21T04:09:08Z] <necromansy> fuck me aha
[2021-05-21T04:09:18Z] <acheam> now thats noty
[2021-05-21T04:09:23Z] <necromansy> :>
[2021-05-21T04:09:37Z] <dilyn> but he's so british 
[2021-05-21T04:09:54Z] <necromansy> im offended by that thanks
[2021-05-21T04:10:07Z] <dilyn> :)
[2021-05-21T04:10:22Z] <travankor> wait why is the log not up to date?
[2021-05-21T04:10:32Z] <travankor> is it a cron job
[2021-05-21T04:10:35Z] <acheam> it refreshed evry 15 min
[2021-05-21T04:10:35Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-05-21T04:10:50Z] <dilyn> these folx always want instant gratification smh 
[2021-05-21T04:10:51Z] <acheam> protest to phoebos if you want it changed
[2021-05-21T04:10:56Z] <dilyn> good logs come to those who wait! 
[2021-05-21T04:11:04Z] <acheam> i mean, its pretty much just 'cat' its not that big of a server load
[2021-05-21T04:11:04Z] <necromansy> wheres the log up at?
[2021-05-21T04:11:08Z] <travankor> I kind of wish it was instanteous
[2021-05-21T04:11:09Z] <acheam> ./topic
[2021-05-21T04:11:10Z] <necromansy> id check the log but idk where it is :>
[2021-05-21T04:11:23Z] <necromansy> oh aye thanks
[2021-05-21T04:11:55Z] <acheam> aye
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[2021-05-21T04:15:49Z] <testuser> test
[2021-05-21T04:16:04Z] <acheam> test passed
[2021-05-21T04:16:06Z] <acheam> welcome to irc
[2021-05-21T04:16:12Z] <acheam> and "hi"
[2021-05-21T04:16:43Z] <travankor> finally no more matrix :)
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[2021-05-21T04:17:33Z] <acheam> :(
[2021-05-21T04:17:40Z] <travankor> rip
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[2021-05-21T04:18:40Z] <testuser> hi
[2021-05-21T04:18:47Z] <acheam> he's back!
[2021-05-21T04:18:51Z] <travankor> yay
[2021-05-21T04:19:09Z] <necromansy> hi!
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[2021-05-21T04:21:12Z] <acheam> speak good sir
[2021-05-21T04:21:21Z] <acheam> what are your intentions in this foreign land
[2021-05-21T04:21:48Z] <acheam> it almost feels wrong to see testuser without _[m]
[2021-05-21T04:21:53Z] <acheam> or [m]_
[2021-05-21T04:22:07Z] <testuser> ti need to find a client
[2021-05-21T04:22:29Z] <travankor> testuser: you know you can change your nick to have the [m] :P
[2021-05-21T04:22:39Z] <acheam> uh I think you have some unicode issues there or something
[2021-05-21T04:22:50Z] <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/kXwzW1T.png
[2021-05-21T04:23:06Z] <acheam> or maybe thats just on my end
[2021-05-21T04:23:17Z] <travankor> i see ? symbol
[2021-05-21T04:24:13Z] <travankor> ???
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[2021-05-21T04:24:33Z] <travankor> pasting it seems like normal ?
[2021-05-21T04:27:53Z] <acheam> we may never learn of his intentions
[2021-05-21T04:28:01Z] <acheam> it is a sad day indeed
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[2021-05-21T04:28:27Z] <acheam> heyo!
[2021-05-21T04:28:48Z] <testuser> irc.c had troble deleting characters
[2021-05-21T04:29:17Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-05-21T04:29:31Z] <acheam> i've never used irc.c, is it any good?
[2021-05-21T04:29:50Z] <testuser> idk i used it for like 30 seconds
[2021-05-21T04:29:58Z] <acheam> what are you on now?
[2021-05-21T04:30:01Z] <testuser> catgirl
[2021-05-21T04:30:05Z] <acheam> nice
[2021-05-21T04:30:06Z] <dilyn> nice
[2021-05-21T04:30:11Z] <acheam> june prevails once again
[2021-05-21T04:30:27Z] <dilyn> truly a god amongst men 
[2021-05-21T04:31:46Z] <testuser> dilyn does your chromium have a super tiny cursor on ayyland
[2021-05-21T04:33:59Z] <dilyn> no it has a normal cursor 
[2021-05-21T04:34:06Z] <testuser> hmm
[2021-05-21T04:34:49Z] <testuser> did you get any crashes when resizing it ?
[2021-05-21T04:37:08Z] <dilyn> when resizing chromium? 
[2021-05-21T04:37:14Z] <dilyn> nah
[2021-05-21T04:45:31Z] testuser changed nick to testuser[m]
[2021-05-21T04:48:54Z] <testuser[m]> this is great
[2021-05-21T04:50:45Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-05-21T04:51:40Z] <testuser[m]>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY testuser[m] password123
[2021-05-21T04:51:49Z] <dilyn> nice
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[2021-05-21T04:57:27Z] <noocsharp> i hope that wasn't real
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[2021-05-21T04:58:28Z] <testuser[m]> is there some thingy that i can set up on my server and talk through that so i dont spam disconnects
[2021-05-21T04:59:24Z] <noocsharp> what you are looking for is a bouncer
[2021-05-21T04:59:27Z] <noocsharp> thats about all i know
[2021-05-21T05:00:01Z] <rio6> I run weechat in tmux on server, and ssh in when I need to
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[2021-05-21T06:55:17Z] <zenomat_> Yeah, samething with weechat on a server. Tho I use dtach
[2021-05-21T06:59:48Z] zenomat_ changed nick to zenomat
[2021-05-21T07:00:40Z] <zenomat> What do you guys think of znc as a bouncer?
[2021-05-21T07:02:29Z] <konimex> solid enough I guess
[2021-05-21T07:04:04Z] <konimex> a bit too "heavy" for my liking but iirc it's the only actively maintained bouncer right now
[2021-05-21T07:05:59Z] <zenomat> It isnt maintained anymore? Well, guess I'll take a look at iirc then
[2021-05-21T07:06:39Z] <konimex> no, ZNC is the *only* actively maintained bouncer (at least I think, as I'm not aware of any more bncs apart of sbnc and the older psybnc)
[2021-05-21T07:08:04Z] <zenomat> Oh fuck, im lost. Thought iirc is a bouncer and not the acronym...
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[2021-05-21T07:32:39Z] <necromansy> lmao classic 
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[2021-05-21T08:02:58Z] <ang> zenomat, konimex: https://git.causal.agency/pounce/about/
[2021-05-21T08:04:37Z] <zenomat> That sounds good, I'll check it out
[2021-05-21T08:05:04Z] <travankor> doesn't pounce only works with catgirl?
[2021-05-21T08:06:27Z] <travankor> uhh nvm
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[2021-05-21T08:29:14Z] <ang> I always get dropped from irc shortly after I write something for the first time on that day, wtf
[2021-05-21T08:29:38Z] <ang> my net was connected the entire time
[2021-05-21T08:29:56Z] <ang> I also send this which never arrived:
[2021-05-21T08:30:07Z] <ang> <testuser[m]> is there some thingy that i can set up on my server and talk through that so i dont spam disconnects
[2021-05-21T08:30:11Z] <ang> since you are trying catgirl, just run that on your server inside tmux/screen/dtach/mtm/abduco or whatever
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[2021-05-21T09:01:01Z] <testuser[m]> pounce test
[2021-05-21T09:01:51Z] <ang> passed
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[2021-05-21T09:23:20Z] <testuser[m]> can you configure catgirl to do the "msg nickserv IDENTIFY" thing automatically ?
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[2021-05-21T09:27:51Z] <konimex> does that thing support SASL? if it supports SASL you can skip identify altogether
[2021-05-21T09:29:25Z] <ang> it does
[2021-05-21T09:29:59Z] <ang> you can use -a for sasl plain and -e for sasl external
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[2021-05-21T09:39:24Z] <travankor> All hail the omnipotence of Red Hate~
[2021-05-21T09:39:43Z] <travankor> Owo
[2021-05-21T09:40:02Z] * travankor is scared
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[2021-05-21T10:07:48Z] <aws> o/
[2021-05-21T10:11:48Z] <testuser[m]> wait how can i get back the history from pounce into catgirl
[2021-05-21T10:19:47Z] <ang> no idea but why don't you run catgirl directly on your server?
[2021-05-21T10:20:09Z] <ang> a bouncer is only nice when connecting with multiple different clients in my opinion
[2021-05-21T10:20:30Z] <ang> but ssh isn't too bad, even from a phone
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[2021-05-21T10:31:37Z] <phoebos> testuser[m]: for just password auth, you can do -w on the cmdline or put your password in a config file
[2021-05-21T10:32:00Z] <testuser[m]> ang: my network isnt that reliable so i get dc often, and also input lags a lot
[2021-05-21T10:32:02Z] <testuser[m]> on ssh
[2021-05-21T10:32:05Z] <phoebos> i need a server so i can try pounce properly
[2021-05-21T10:33:10Z] <testuser[m]> phoebos: i thought "server password" meant its for servers that need a pass to even connect
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[2021-05-21T10:33:38Z] <testuser[m]> hi claudia02 
[2021-05-21T10:35:01Z] <phoebos> nah its like to login with your nick
[2021-05-21T10:35:15Z] <phoebos> bit clunky language tbf
[2021-05-21T10:36:05Z] <ang> yeah, testuser[m]
[2021-05-21T10:36:11Z] <phoebos> acheam: did june find it amusing that we're usiny litterbox or that i'm bastardising it with a cron job and no scooper
[2021-05-21T10:36:16Z] <ang> I mean instead of putting pounce on your server, put catgirl on it
[2021-05-21T10:36:32Z] <claudia02> o/
[2021-05-21T10:36:46Z] <ang> hi
[2021-05-21T10:36:47Z] <phoebos> yeah - even better, run catgirl in a loop
[2021-05-21T10:36:58Z] <phoebos> but a bouncer is nice
[2021-05-21T10:37:22Z] <ang> what are the advantages?
[2021-05-21T10:37:56Z] <claudia02> dilyncorner: I have not looked further into it. Its a 'noX, no gtk' build. I guess I try a standard build and see how that goes.
[2021-05-21T10:38:35Z] <ang> claudia02, I was wondering, why did you ditch obsd?
[2021-05-21T10:39:35Z] <phoebos> ang: a slightly more intelligent approach to staying connected, multiple devices, better control of nick
[2021-05-21T10:39:51Z] <phoebos> i mean i dont actually use one (yet)
[2021-05-21T10:39:56Z] <phoebos> but a few people do
[2021-05-21T10:40:13Z] <claudia02> ang: Mostly because if felt playful again :v
[2021-05-21T10:41:31Z] <claudia02> *I felt
[2021-05-21T10:43:04Z] <ang> haha ok, that's a good reason
[2021-05-21T10:43:35Z] <ang> obsd just werks, not that much to tinker with
[2021-05-21T10:44:31Z] <ang> phoebos, fair
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[2021-05-21T10:47:28Z] <claudia02> The new logs are great. Though a bit hard to read with the join/part messages. 
[2021-05-21T10:47:41Z] <claudia02> When I curl them I remove some stuff with sed
[2021-05-21T10:50:31Z] <claudia02> My tinkering with e.g a repo revealed that I need a bit more proficiient :p
[2021-05-21T10:51:27Z] <claudia02> Also stuff like setting up a chroot is more involved.
[2021-05-21T10:55:22Z] <ang> never done that
[2021-05-21T10:55:33Z] <ang> I haven't used it much really
[2021-05-21T10:58:09Z] <phoebos> claudia02: would you like the join/part messages to be different? maybe without the timestamp would be easier to distinguish
[2021-05-21T10:58:57Z] <phoebos> its all going through a pipe so we've got all the sed we want
[2021-05-21T11:05:06Z] <testuser[m]> claudia02: you just need to mount /dev/shm in chroot
[2021-05-21T11:05:19Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/issues/8
[2021-05-21T11:06:59Z] <claudia02> testuser[m]: thx. Thats why I mentioned building in chroot. I figured to have read about this somehwere, but couldnt remember where.
[2021-05-21T11:07:58Z] <claudia02> phoebos: Yes that would help. 
[2021-05-21T11:08:18Z] <claudia02> phoebos: You can manipulated the logs "only" with sed?
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[2021-05-21T11:12:13Z] <testuser[m]> claudia02: btw be sure to link libxkbcommon in chromium else your keys might get messed up a bit
[2021-05-21T11:12:34Z] <testuser[m]> https://git.git-bruh.duckdns.org/kiss-repo/file/wayland/chromium/build.html mine
[2021-05-21T11:14:12Z] <testuser[m]> kiss
[2021-05-21T11:14:18Z] <testuser[m]> oops
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[2021-05-21T11:55:47Z] <claudia02> testuser[m]: your chromium build does not say 'use_xkbcommon' anywhere.
[2021-05-21T12:08:21Z] <testuser[m]> its on by default, but in community build its overriden to false
[2021-05-21T12:08:31Z] <testuser[m]> so removing the line enables it
[2021-05-21T12:13:51Z] <claudia02> gotcha, thx.
[2021-05-21T12:15:37Z] <acheam> testuser[m]: best way to auto login is SASL imo
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[2021-05-21T12:16:24Z] <acheam> if you don't mind a plaintext password set "sasl-plain = testuser[m]:hunter2" in your config
[2021-05-21T12:16:28Z] <testuser[m]> now i have catgirl running in tmux so i just ssh and tmux attach then /exec tmux detach 
[2021-05-21T12:16:42Z] <acheam> nice
[2021-05-21T12:16:57Z] <acheam> you can just add tmux attach to the ssh command
[2021-05-21T12:17:00Z] <acheam> to go straight in
[2021-05-21T12:17:01Z] <testuser[m]> yeah
[2021-05-21T12:17:09Z] <acheam> and you don't need to detach explicitly
[2021-05-21T12:17:18Z] <acheam> you can just close the session
[2021-05-21T12:17:53Z] <testuser[m]> i cant Ctrl C cuz it'll kill the program running in tmux 
[2021-05-21T12:18:05Z] <acheam> phoebos: that youre just cronjobbing scoop
[2021-05-21T12:18:18Z] <acheam> testuser[m]: just close the terminal
[2021-05-21T12:18:30Z] <testuser[m]> yeah but im used to ctrl c :p
[2021-05-21T12:18:42Z] <acheam> :)
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[2021-05-21T12:35:33Z] <omanom> travankor I've used kirc with pounce... although i needed socat as well
[2021-05-21T12:38:06Z] <omanom> i put an instance of The Lounge on a VPS, its a web-based IRC bouncer/client.  Then if I'm on a machine without a browser I just use kirc (or AndroIRC if i'm on my phone)
[2021-05-21T12:40:13Z] <ang> testuser[m]: for ssh from an unstable/laggy connection, try mosh(1)
[2021-05-21T12:40:24Z] <jslick> if you want to stay always connected to your dtach/tmux, you can connect with mosh (and not have to muck with sshd session management).  It autoconnects if you sleep your laptop and wake it
[2021-05-21T12:40:30Z] <jslick> oh, you beat me
[2021-05-21T12:40:37Z] <ang> lol
[2021-05-21T12:40:49Z] <midfavila> okay
[2021-05-21T12:40:54Z] <midfavila> so
[2021-05-21T12:40:59Z] <midfavila> good morning #kisslinux
[2021-05-21T12:41:15Z] <omanom> buenos dias
[2021-05-21T12:41:20Z] <midfavila> phoebos I like tine because it's small and has an easy to use command language
[2021-05-21T12:44:57Z] <phoebos> is it based on sam?
[2021-05-21T12:45:06Z] <midfavila> no
[2021-05-21T12:45:08Z] <phoebos> acheam: lol
[2021-05-21T12:45:10Z] <midfavila> it's based on TRIPOS ED
[2021-05-21T12:45:15Z] <phoebos> ooh
[2021-05-21T12:45:32Z] <phoebos> is it interestingly different to, um, unix ed?
[2021-05-21T12:45:48Z] <midfavila> significantly
[2021-05-21T12:45:52Z] <midfavila> they're not comparable.
[2021-05-21T12:45:58Z] <midfavila> tine is a visual editor for one
[2021-05-21T12:46:11Z] <midfavila> ...well, rather, TRIPOS ED
[2021-05-21T12:46:30Z] <midfavila> and along with that comes all the usual visual editor goodness
[2021-05-21T12:46:44Z] <phoebos> huh.
[2021-05-21T12:46:46Z] <midfavila> but the command language is much, much simpler than ed's
[2021-05-21T12:46:56Z] <phoebos> and less powerful?
[2021-05-21T12:47:06Z] <midfavila> i don't believe so
[2021-05-21T12:47:27Z] <midfavila> iirc there's a command that allows you to send the current buffer's contents through a pipeline and load the result into the buffer
[2021-05-21T12:47:38Z] <phoebos> sexy
[2021-05-21T12:47:45Z] <midfavila> verily so.
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[2021-05-21T12:49:53Z] <midfavila> my only problems with it are the keybindings
[2021-05-21T12:49:57Z] <midfavila> namely,
[2021-05-21T12:50:09Z] <midfavila> it lacks a binding to save, and it lacks a binding to quit
[2021-05-21T12:50:30Z] <midfavila> and you can't rebind freely, only to function keys 1-10
[2021-05-21T12:50:33Z] <midfavila> which is...
[2021-05-21T12:50:39Z] <midfavila> an odd design decision.
[2021-05-21T12:53:06Z] <phoebos> so you enter a command to save and quit?
[2021-05-21T12:53:12Z] <phoebos> thats not too bad
[2021-05-21T12:53:12Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2021-05-21T12:53:16Z] <midfavila> esc-sa;q
[2021-05-21T12:53:31Z] <phoebos> like vi
[2021-05-21T12:53:36Z] <midfavila> nothing at all like vi
[2021-05-21T12:53:42Z] <phoebos> :v
[2021-05-21T12:53:45Z] <midfavila> the only similarity is that esc is used
[2021-05-21T12:53:53Z] <necromansy> vi's got a hard quit anyway
[2021-05-21T12:53:56Z] <necromansy> q!
[2021-05-21T12:54:00Z] <necromansy> or Q for ed
[2021-05-21T12:54:05Z] <midfavila> qy for tine
[2021-05-21T12:54:07Z] <phoebos> sounds cool. anyway, im about to get on a plane
[2021-05-21T12:54:10Z] <phoebos> o/
[2021-05-21T12:54:13Z] <midfavila> see you.
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[2021-05-21T12:54:18Z] <necromansy> have a good flight 
[2021-05-21T12:56:03Z] <ang> what are the advantages of tine compared to something like vi?
[2021-05-21T12:56:18Z] <ang> laters, phoebos
[2021-05-21T12:56:27Z] <midfavila> *practically*?
[2021-05-21T12:56:31Z] <midfavila> absolutely none
[2021-05-21T12:56:43Z] <midfavila> but that's like asking me what the advantages of nano are compared to vi
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[2021-05-21T12:57:15Z] <ang> I've looked at its documentation briefly
[2021-05-21T12:57:21Z] <ang> didn't intrigue me
[2021-05-21T12:57:35Z] <midfavila> it's not a very exciting program :p 
[2021-05-21T12:57:53Z] <necromansy> i feel lik editors shouldnt be
[2021-05-21T12:57:54Z] <necromansy> tbh
[2021-05-21T12:58:02Z] <midfavila> they shouldn't
[2021-05-21T12:58:09Z] <midfavila> editors should edit text, not entertain you
[2021-05-21T12:58:30Z] <ang> yeah, they shouldn't and it's hard to say if you like something without actually trying
[2021-05-21T12:58:42Z] <necromansy> the only thing ive found entertaining about a novel idea has been the acme stuff
[2021-05-21T12:58:42Z] <ang> but it seemed needlessly complex tbh
[2021-05-21T12:58:51Z] <ang> but tbf, I didn't spend too much time on it
[2021-05-21T12:58:55Z] <necromansy> but thats more plan9 novelty than acme itself
[2021-05-21T12:59:05Z] <midfavila> plan 9 is neat
[2021-05-21T13:00:11Z] <ang> acme being more of an environment than a pure editor is very intersting
[2021-05-21T13:00:21Z] <ang> too bad the mouse stuff is awful
[2021-05-21T13:00:42Z] <necromansy> russ cox described it as a integrating rather than integraded IDE
[2021-05-21T13:00:48Z] <necromansy> which feels apt
[2021-05-21T13:01:27Z] <ang> how good are the linux ports?
[2021-05-21T13:01:35Z] <necromansy> good
[2021-05-21T13:01:38Z] <ang> isn't one of the best things that you can control the editor via 9p?
[2021-05-21T13:01:46Z] <necromansy> yeah
[2021-05-21T13:01:53Z] <ang> and that's implemented too?
[2021-05-21T13:01:55Z] <necromansy> you've got almost the same usability in the ports
[2021-05-21T13:02:02Z] <ang> nice, ok
[2021-05-21T13:02:08Z] <necromansy> and it also has the option to be mounted into FUSE
[2021-05-21T13:02:16Z] <ang> I see, interesting
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[2021-05-21T13:02:51Z] <ang> I would love sam if it wasn't for it's awful graphical mode
[2021-05-21T13:03:02Z] <necromansy> yeah im not a fan of sam
[2021-05-21T13:03:03Z] <ang> I wonder how hard it would be to make an ncurses interface for it
[2021-05-21T13:03:15Z] <ang> sam -d is surprisingly usable compared to ed
[2021-05-21T13:03:48Z] <ang> simply because you can change parts of a line without s/ / /
[2021-05-21T13:04:04Z] <ang> or append/prepnd
[2021-05-21T13:04:07Z] <ang> prepend*
[2021-05-21T13:05:17Z] <necromansy> hows that work?
[2021-05-21T13:07:24Z] <ang> it's selection based. So if you have a selection, you can use the a/ foo/ or i/ bar/ commands to append or prepend to the selection respectively
[2021-05-21T13:07:34Z] <midfavila> kiss actually has a port of sam packaged in 9base
[2021-05-21T13:07:40Z] <midfavila> but I don't know if it works
[2021-05-21T13:07:44Z] <necromansy> it does
[2021-05-21T13:07:45Z] <ang> should've made that i/bar /
[2021-05-21T13:07:56Z] <ang> you need to use -d
[2021-05-21T13:08:05Z] <ang> because it does not come with samterm
[2021-05-21T13:08:19Z] <ang> with -d its just like ed
[2021-05-21T13:08:45Z] <necromansy> ive got samterm via plan9port
[2021-05-21T13:08:53Z] <necromansy> i should package that i reckon
[2021-05-21T13:09:03Z] <ang> oh yeah, just the 9base one lacks samterm
[2021-05-21T13:09:31Z] <midfavila> doesn't that kind of remove any reason whatsoever to use sam
[2021-05-21T13:09:54Z] <ang> no
[2021-05-21T13:10:00Z] <ang> as I said, it's a much better ed
[2021-05-21T13:10:01Z] <necromansy> nah, if you care enough about the sam cammand language its useful
[2021-05-21T13:13:46Z] <testuser[m]> is there anything for libera being set up on logbot.info ?
[2021-05-21T13:14:34Z] <konimex> someone here said the bot is retired so no more logbot.info iirc
[2021-05-21T13:15:29Z] <testuser[m]> :/
[2021-05-21T13:15:52Z] <testuser[m]> i guess the same logger could be recycled and hosted elsewhere
[2021-05-21T13:16:19Z] <testuser[m]> does it need irc server specific stuff ? or you can run it for any server
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[2021-05-21T13:18:25Z] <konimex> it's MIT so you can self-host it https://github.com/globau/logbot/, should work for any server since globbot itself ran on 3 servers
[2021-05-21T13:18:36Z] <konimex> it's in perl though so some people might not be a fan of it
[2021-05-21T13:19:25Z] <omanom> midfavila and acheam new project idea: rewrite globbot in C
[2021-05-21T13:19:48Z] <midfavila> >Perl and JS
[2021-05-21T13:20:27Z] <midfavila> if I wrote a logger it would be a hell of a lot simpler than globbot
[2021-05-21T13:21:10Z] <midfavila> literally just copy every message into a list and prepend a .beat timestamp to each
[2021-05-21T13:23:15Z] <omanom> do it in POSIX shell then
[2021-05-21T13:23:31Z] <midfavila> nope.
[2021-05-21T13:23:56Z] <midfavila> until I'm confident in my C abilities, I refuse to write a new shell script, short of it being something where C would be hilariously overkill
[2021-05-21T13:29:08Z] <omanom> if you're ok with bash and socat you can do everything using /dev/tcp : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37251384/using-ssl-with-bashs-dev-tcp
[2021-05-21T13:29:17Z] <midfavila> yeah no
[2021-05-21T13:29:37Z] <midfavila> ignoring that I lack the tcp device node, I refuse to write a bash script
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[2021-05-21T13:40:00Z] <omanom> i'm trying to start wayfire after building and I'm getting a MESA-LOADER error where it can't open any DRM devices.  I've made sure the correct drivers are configured in my kernel and that i've built libdrm after rebuilding mesa.  any ideas?  X worked fine.
[2021-05-21T13:40:36Z] <midfavila> install gentoo
[2021-05-21T13:49:47Z] <omanom> wlr-randr fails to connect to any display too hm
[2021-05-21T13:49:55Z] <testuser[m]> did you enable kernel modesetting for your gpu driver omanom
[2021-05-21T13:50:30Z] <omanom> i'll double-check, i believe so
[2021-05-21T13:51:01Z] <testuser[m]> hmm looks like its already enabled for anything other than nivea
[2021-05-21T13:51:27Z] <testuser[m]> you have /dev/dri/* ?
[2021-05-21T13:51:43Z] <omanom> yes, card0 and renderD128
[2021-05-21T13:51:54Z] <testuser[m]> hmm
[2021-05-21T13:52:09Z] <testuser[m]> this works ?/https://github.com/ascent12/drm_info
[2021-05-21T13:52:50Z] <testuser[m]> this is the first ayyland compositor youre trying ? did others work ?
[2021-05-21T13:53:25Z] <omanom> this is the first one, i haven't tried others
[2021-05-21T13:54:03Z] <testuser[m]> can you show the mesa loader error
[2021-05-21T13:54:14Z] <omanom> yeah, give me a minute
[2021-05-21T13:54:32Z] <omanom> drm_info works in that there's output, there was a lot though so i don't know if there's an error anywhere in there
[2021-05-21T13:55:13Z] <testuser[m]> that means modesetting is working atleasr
[2021-05-21T13:55:23Z] <omanom> drm_info also recognizes /dev/dri/card0 as i915 driver
[2021-05-21T13:57:22Z] <omanom> hm ok i figured out how to see a little bit different log: http://ix.io/3nsN
[2021-05-21T13:58:53Z] <testuser[m]> is this the highest verbosity wayfire can give ? id try sway with --debug
[2021-05-21T13:59:21Z] * midfavila laughs in compiz
[2021-05-21T14:00:26Z] <omanom> seems like it
[2021-05-21T14:01:19Z] <omanom> do you have a repo with sway in it to try
[2021-05-21T14:01:51Z] <testuser[m]> https://git.git-bruh.duckdns.org/kiss-repo/files.html
[2021-05-21T14:01:53Z] <testuser[m]> its git though
[2021-05-21T14:02:54Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/git-bruh/kiss-repo use this looks like i broke cloning somehow
[2021-05-21T14:05:24Z] <testuser[m]> oh i forgot to unblock the port
[2021-05-21T14:06:54Z] <testuser[m]> yeah it works now
[2021-05-21T14:07:40Z] <omanom> i've cloned the github one, working on it now
[2021-05-21T14:08:28Z] <testuser[m]> you'll probably need git wlroots to build git sway btw
[2021-05-21T14:08:36Z] <testuser[m]> remove the egl-wayland dep if you do it
[2021-05-21T14:09:03Z] <testuser[m]> and switch to swaywm source
[2021-05-21T14:13:17Z] <omanom> hm gdk-pixbuf is failing to build now
[2021-05-21T14:14:33Z] <testuser[m]> with what error, and which repo are you using for it
[2021-05-21T14:15:14Z] <omanom> your github repo, "no such file or directory 'msgfmt'"
[2021-05-21T14:16:19Z] <testuser[m]> weird, you should be able to temporarily do
[2021-05-21T14:16:53Z] <testuser[m]> mkdir bin; cp /usr/bin/true bin/msgfmt; PATH="$PWD/bin:$PATH"
[2021-05-21T14:17:01Z] <testuser[m]> oh that wont eork with busybox
[2021-05-21T14:17:32Z] <testuser[m]> maybe export MSGFMT=/bin/true can work
[2021-05-21T14:18:38Z] <testuser[m]> nvm its meson, why are you rebuilding gdk pixbuf rn though ?
[2021-05-21T14:18:55Z] <omanom> when i kiss b sway, it said it needed to build
[2021-05-21T14:19:21Z] <testuser[m]> ah its needed by swaybg
[2021-05-21T14:19:30Z] <testuser[m]> its optional just remove swaybg from sway depenfs
[2021-05-21T14:20:48Z] <omanom> hokay, trying again :)
[2021-05-21T14:26:51Z] <omanom> ok you were right, that failed to build as it needed wlroots 14 and i have 13 installed
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[2021-05-21T14:28:48Z] <midfavila> acheam sotd suggestion https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=_SgWum9kHYk
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[2021-05-21T14:37:30Z] <omanom> testuser[m] sway has same error it appears
[2021-05-21T14:37:31Z] <claudia02> omanom: libxml2 update broke some stuff for me.
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[2021-05-21T14:38:23Z] <omanom> i was able to get around the libxml2 error by symlinking, are you saying there's more that broke than just that?
[2021-05-21T14:38:54Z] <claudia02> omanom: Try this kind of post-install for sway/wayfire binary https://github.com/dylanaraps/wayland-experiment/blob/master/wayland/sway/post-install
[2021-05-21T14:39:07Z] <claudia02> yeah, I had to rebuild a bunch of stuff because of it.
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[2021-05-21T14:40:12Z] <testuser[m]> omanom --debug gives no extra output ?
[2021-05-21T14:40:50Z] <testuser[m]> claudia02: it seems.to work fine with seatd and video group without setuid
[2021-05-21T14:41:16Z] <testuser[m]> but yeah omanom you can try running as root to rule out that possibility
[2021-05-21T14:42:12Z] <claudia02> testuser[m]: With this (setgid :input?) you can run as unprev user without any seat managment.
[2021-05-21T14:42:30Z] <claudia02> Since kernel 5.8? this is possible.
[2021-05-21T14:42:50Z] <claudia02> yeah and only video group.
[2021-05-21T14:45:13Z] <omanom> http://ix.io/3nsY
[2021-05-21T14:45:42Z] <omanom> failed to create GBM device... wonder if i'm missing a build flag somewhere?
[2021-05-21T14:46:48Z] <testuser[m]> it should be fine if your mesa has gbm support (its on by default)
[2021-05-21T14:47:38Z] <testuser[m]> failed to open i965: Error loading shared library /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: No such file or directory (search paths /usr/lib/dri)
[2021-05-21T14:47:48Z] <testuser[m]> this is the important bit
[2021-05-21T14:47:57Z] <testuser[m]> cuz you got an i965 gpu
[2021-05-21T14:48:01Z] <omanom> those files exist, though.  and why is it looking for that instead of i915
[2021-05-21T14:48:18Z] <testuser[m]> oh i misread
[2021-05-21T14:48:21Z] <testuser[m]> then its harmless
[2021-05-21T14:48:39Z] <testuser[m]> can you strace sway and send the log ?
[2021-05-21T14:48:47Z] <omanom> yah i'll try that
[2021-05-21T14:49:42Z] <omanom> can confirm my mesa was built with gbm enabled
[2021-05-21T14:50:12Z] <claudia02> omanom: Just to confirm, did you enable the wayland target in mesa? :v
[2021-05-21T14:50:39Z] <omanom> yes, i removed x11 and added wayland
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[2021-05-21T14:53:10Z] <claudia02> chromium build still going strong : 30 000/45 000
[2021-05-21T14:53:25Z] <omanom> ok strace output: http://ix.io/3nt1
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[2021-05-21T14:55:14Z] <testuser[m]> gimme a few min
[2021-05-21T14:56:00Z] <omanom> oh ok, i have the right platform enabled in mesa build, but do i need to specify the dri-driver to use/build?
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[2021-05-21T14:57:30Z] <omanom> comparing the base repo one to the various wayland ones, i don't specify vs specification of nouveau or r200.  i guess i'd need i915
[2021-05-21T14:59:09Z] <claudia02> When you dont specify the drivers, it just builds all.
[2021-05-21T14:59:43Z] <claudia02> Mesa for just intel http://ix.io/3nt2
[2021-05-21T15:01:22Z] <omanom> ok that matches pretty much, i'll rebuild just to see.  thanks
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[2021-05-21T15:11:14Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/blob/beae3018cbbbbb566e964de63cf04e405b7d8ba5/backend/drm/renderer.c#L27
[2021-05-21T15:11:21Z] <testuser[m]> the function doesnt belong to wlroots
[2021-05-21T15:11:25Z] <testuser[m]> so can be a mesa issue
[2021-05-21T15:12:33Z] <testuser[m]> maybe try with a default mesa while just disabling x11?
[2021-05-21T15:13:06Z] <omanom> its in the middle of building right now, if it fails again i will try that yeah
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[2021-05-21T15:17:25Z] <midfavila> what the fuck you guys
[2021-05-21T15:17:32Z] <midfavila> there's like twice as much Go in FVWM as there is C
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[2021-05-21T15:18:02Z] <midfavila> I thought FVWM was supposed to be based
[2021-05-21T15:18:20Z] <m3g> wmaker is comf, easy to pack too
[2021-05-21T15:18:28Z] <midfavila> wmaker is very comf, yes
[2021-05-21T15:18:33Z] <midfavila> but it's not as hackable as FVWM
[2021-05-21T15:18:46Z] <omanom> you've been googlefied and you didn't even know it!
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[2021-05-21T15:18:54Z] <midfavila> i was the real shill all along
[2021-05-21T15:18:55Z] <midfavila> fuck
[2021-05-21T15:18:59Z] <m3g> I really like the nextstep aesthetic
[2021-05-21T15:19:06Z] <midfavila> so do I
[2021-05-21T15:19:14Z] <midfavila> it's the one look/feel that FVWM can't duplicate
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[2021-05-21T15:19:22Z] <midfavila> i'd use AfterStep but...
[2021-05-21T15:19:28Z] <midfavila> it doesn't seem to compile any more
[2021-05-21T15:20:19Z] <testuser[m]> where's GO in fvvm 
[2021-05-21T15:20:30Z] <midfavila> used in some of the modules I think
[2021-05-21T15:20:32Z] <omanom> do they use it for IPC stuff
[2021-05-21T15:20:43Z] <midfavila> I think so
[2021-05-21T15:22:22Z] <midfavila> ...hah, afterstep is actually smaller than FVWM by over a hundred thousand lines
[2021-05-21T15:22:24Z] <midfavila> that's amusing
[2021-05-21T15:23:29Z] <omanom> i bet 50k lines of that is go exception handling
[2021-05-21T15:23:54Z] <omanom> s/exception/error/
[2021-05-21T15:24:30Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2021-05-21T15:25:23Z] <midfavila> Maybe I'll eventually work up the nerve to tinker with 9wm
[2021-05-21T15:25:55Z] <midfavila> It's under 2500 lines of C, so I can't see it being... *that* difficult to modify
[2021-05-21T15:26:45Z] <midfavila> then again, tine is under 2500 lines of C and it's totally impenetrable.
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[2021-05-21T15:52:03Z] <testuser[m]> any luck ? omanom 
[2021-05-21T15:52:34Z] <omanom> nope, trying the default mesa now
[2021-05-21T16:11:32Z] <omanom> still no.  gonna have to refresh my machine and see if anything changes, right now it's a little cluttered due to the stuff i've been trying
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[2021-05-21T16:14:00Z] <nylid> absolutely exhausting interview 
[2021-05-21T16:14:06Z] nylid changed nick to dilyn
[2021-05-21T16:14:29Z] <claudia02> Have you pluged them that u dislike gpl? 
[2021-05-21T16:15:09Z] <dilyn> I mentioned that I was 'working on a project to see how much of the vile and disgusting GPL I could remove from my based Unix platform"
[2021-05-21T16:15:29Z] <dilyn> and they said "oh baby tell me more about your license qualms" 
[2021-05-21T16:22:16Z] <midfavila> >tfw it turns out dylin isn't joking
[2021-05-21T16:22:37Z] <dilyn> I *did* mention it but I didn't use those words lmao 
[2021-05-21T16:22:46Z] <midfavila> cringe
[2021-05-21T16:22:52Z] <dilyn> they asked! 
[2021-05-21T16:22:53Z] <midfavila> you gotta ASSERT yourself
[2021-05-21T16:22:57Z] <dilyn> lmao well
[2021-05-21T16:23:03Z] <midfavila> see
[2021-05-21T16:23:04Z] <dilyn> I don't think that much matters 
[2021-05-21T16:23:07Z] <midfavila> what you do if you want the job
[2021-05-21T16:23:10Z] <midfavila> is you walk in 
[2021-05-21T16:23:17Z] <midfavila> don't even introduce yourself
[2021-05-21T16:23:22Z] <midfavila> and just chokeslam the interviewers
[2021-05-21T16:23:33Z] <midfavila> shows that you have force of personality
[2021-05-21T16:23:36Z] * midfavila nods wisely
[2021-05-21T16:23:44Z] <dilyn> hold on let me write this down 
[2021-05-21T16:23:56Z] <midfavila> take your time
[2021-05-21T16:24:03Z] <dilyn> should I ask for their address? Or find it some other way 
[2021-05-21T16:24:15Z] <midfavila> scrape it from facebook
[2021-05-21T16:24:19Z] <midfavila> or linkedin
[2021-05-21T16:25:30Z] <dilyn> brilliant. that were surely impress them 
[2021-05-21T16:25:35Z] <midfavila> exactly
[2021-05-21T16:25:36Z] <dilyn> thanks mid 
[2021-05-21T16:25:43Z] <midfavila> just show up at their house and destroy them day of the interview
[2021-05-21T16:25:49Z] <midfavila> np dilly
[2021-05-21T16:25:52Z] <midfavila> uwu~
[2021-05-21T16:26:30Z] <midfavila> man, okay, I know what I'm doing. I'm going to fix suckless' tabbed today
[2021-05-21T16:26:34Z] <midfavila> because it's pissing me off
[2021-05-21T16:26:40Z] <dilyn> what's wrong with it? 
[2021-05-21T16:26:43Z] <midfavila> first of all
[2021-05-21T16:26:46Z] <midfavila> it uses vim keys
[2021-05-21T16:26:54Z] <midfavila> vim keys should not control a GUI element
[2021-05-21T16:26:58Z] <midfavila> that's an abomination
[2021-05-21T16:26:59Z] <dilyn> incorrect
[2021-05-21T16:27:02Z] <midfavila> correct
[2021-05-21T16:27:04Z] <midfavila> moving on
[2021-05-21T16:27:11Z] <midfavila> problem two
[2021-05-21T16:27:16Z] <midfavila> it opens tabs from right to left
[2021-05-21T16:27:20Z] <midfavila> instead of left to right
[2021-05-21T16:27:26Z] <midfavila> this is infuriating
[2021-05-21T16:27:36Z] <midfavila> problem three
[2021-05-21T16:27:49Z] <midfavila> who decided ctrl+shift+enter was a good "open new tab" binding
[2021-05-21T16:28:04Z] <dilyn> ctrl+t too normie
[2021-05-21T16:28:16Z] <midfavila> that's why I'm going to use F24
[2021-05-21T16:28:19Z] <midfavila> maximum hipster
[2021-05-21T16:28:26Z] <midfavila> only for people with hipster keebs
[2021-05-21T16:28:30Z] <dilyn> i hate it more 
[2021-05-21T16:28:38Z] <midfavila> you would hate my setup dilyn
[2021-05-21T16:28:45Z] <dilyn> yes
[2021-05-21T16:28:47Z] <midfavila> for a while I had a ten-button trackball
[2021-05-21T16:28:52Z] <dilyn> :|
[2021-05-21T16:28:53Z] <midfavila> to accompany my 122-key keyboard
[2021-05-21T16:28:56Z] <dilyn> |:
[2021-05-21T16:29:03Z] <midfavila> and I used all of the buttons, too
[2021-05-21T16:29:05Z] <dilyn> \-.-/
[2021-05-21T16:29:26Z] <midfavila> i actually miss that trackball
[2021-05-21T16:29:35Z] <midfavila> the buttons were really nice
[2021-05-21T16:29:42Z] <midfavila> but it had terrible ergonomics
[2021-05-21T16:30:13Z] <midfavila> ...maybe I should design and print a replacement chassis...
[2021-05-21T16:30:51Z] <dilyn> what's a 3D printer for if not to make absolutely useless hardware :v 
[2021-05-21T16:31:02Z] <midfavila> this isn't useless
[2021-05-21T16:31:15Z] <midfavila> it's to improve the durability and ergonomics of a device I'd like to use.
[2021-05-21T16:31:34Z] <midfavila> ...also, uh, the stock chassis is maximum early '00s electronics.
[2021-05-21T16:31:50Z] <midfavila> complete with that awful off-silver color and translucent blue plastic
[2021-05-21T16:31:54Z] <dilyn> https://freenode.logbot.info/_shutdown
[2021-05-21T16:31:58Z] <dilyn> we'll have to nab those 
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[2021-05-21T16:39:47Z] <claudia02> wtf: building chromium with 8 jobs takes 7gb ram + 10gb swap.
[2021-05-21T16:40:09Z] <claudia02> This is an harddrive killer.
[2021-05-21T16:42:04Z] <midfavila> every day in #kisslinux someone new discovers the pain of building a browser
[2021-05-21T16:43:24Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2021-05-21T16:43:38Z] <midfavila> the more I think about it, the more the idea of writing a window manager appeals to me
[2021-05-21T16:44:44Z] <testuser[m]> claudia02: it finished ?
[2021-05-21T16:44:49Z] <midfavila> steal a few ideas from Fluxbox and FVWM, copy the general style of TWM...
[2021-05-21T16:44:52Z] <claudia02> This is not new to me, but chromium is.
[2021-05-21T16:45:00Z] <claudia02> 35k/45k
[2021-05-21T16:45:05Z] <testuser[m]> soon
[2021-05-21T16:45:25Z] <testuser[m]> inb4 your pc explodes at final link
[2021-05-21T16:45:25Z] <midfavila> ngl I've been using links as my browser lately and it's super comfy
[2021-05-21T16:45:42Z] <midfavila> like, screw webkit, man
[2021-05-21T16:45:49Z] <midfavila> links2 with tabbed is where it's at
[2021-05-21T16:46:00Z] <testuser[m]> can you share your script again
[2021-05-21T16:46:08Z] <testuser[m]> for links
[2021-05-21T16:46:10Z] <midfavila> sure
[2021-05-21T16:46:25Z] <midfavila> export CONFIG_DIR=".config"
[2021-05-21T16:46:25Z] <midfavila> if  [ ! -e /tmp/Links.xid ]
[2021-05-21T16:46:25Z] <midfavila> then tabbed -t '#000000' -T '#FFFFFF' -u '#C0C0C0' -U '#000000' -c links "$@" -g -w > /tmp/Links.xid ; rm /tmp/Links.xid
[2021-05-21T16:46:25Z] <midfavila> else links "$@" -g -w "$(cat /tmp/Links.xid)"
[2021-05-21T16:46:25Z] <midfavila> fi
[2021-05-21T16:46:32Z] <midfavila> it's not terribly complex
[2021-05-21T16:46:45Z] <midfavila> just dump that in a regular old #!/bin/sh -e script and you're good to go
[2021-05-21T16:46:53Z] <midfavila> i have the patch for tabbed in my repo
[2021-05-21T16:47:00Z] <midfavila> links2-mod is the package name
[2021-05-21T16:47:06Z] <testuser[m]> nice
[2021-05-21T16:47:18Z] <midfavila> yup
[2021-05-21T16:49:10Z] <midfavila> the export statement should cause links to dump all its stuff under ~/.config, which is also nice
[2021-05-21T16:51:21Z] <midfavila> ...oh, and I'd really like to steal UDE's hex menus
[2021-05-21T16:51:50Z] <midfavila> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/UDE_Honeycomb.png
[2021-05-21T16:52:53Z] <midfavila> hex menus would be nice with a tablet, I feel.
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[2021-05-21T17:02:12Z] <midfavila> windowlab is another really nice system
[2021-05-21T17:04:08Z] <midfavila> ...oooh! And it's only 2552 lines of code!
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[2021-05-21T17:26:49Z] <testuser[m]> whats *.net *.split
[2021-05-21T17:33:28Z] <zr> a weird way to spell "netsplit"
[2021-05-21T17:33:32Z] <zr> I guess
[2021-05-21T17:35:24Z] <midfavila> hmmm.
[2021-05-21T17:35:36Z] <midfavila> aside from being kind of jank and a little out of date, windowlab is really comfy
[2021-05-21T17:35:53Z] <midfavila> ...I think I'm gonna switch.
[2021-05-21T17:36:28Z] <schillingklaus> what is windowlab? a desktop thing?
[2021-05-21T17:36:38Z] <midfavila> It's a really nice window manager.
[2021-05-21T17:36:53Z] <midfavila> Takes heavy inspiration from the Amiga's GUI
[2021-05-21T17:37:15Z] <midfavila> very clean and simple design, and it's based on the 9wm codebase
[2021-05-21T17:37:24Z] <midfavila> so it should be easy to work with under the hood, too
[2021-05-21T17:37:49Z] <midfavila> but it's missing some important features, like TTF support
[2021-05-21T17:38:07Z] <midfavila> i figure hacking on windowlab would be a good educational experience
[2021-05-21T17:41:16Z] <midfavila> ...hrm. Xaw doesn't appear to like it for some reason. That's disconcerting.
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[2021-05-21T18:43:24Z] <omanom> >rasengan- [Global Notice] We are aware of the Libera Chat spambots and are working to address it
[2021-05-21T18:44:04Z] <midfavila> i could go for some spam
[2021-05-21T18:44:10Z] <midfavila> mmmmmmmmm, mystery meat
[2021-05-21T18:44:17Z] <omanom> fry it up, good sandwich
[2021-05-21T18:44:36Z] <midfavila> i like it mashed and mixed with mayo and mustard
[2021-05-21T18:44:42Z] <midfavila> then used as a spread
[2021-05-21T18:44:53Z] <omanom> i am certainly a mustard fan but never had spam like that...
[2021-05-21T18:44:59Z] <midfavila> it's really good!
[2021-05-21T18:45:02Z] <midfavila> you should try it some time
[2021-05-21T18:45:40Z] <midfavila> if you're feeling especially adventurous you could replace the mayo or mustard with relish.
[2021-05-21T18:45:44Z] <midfavila> gives it a nice crunchiness.
[2021-05-21T18:45:52Z] <omanom> hm i don't know about going quite that far
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[2021-05-21T18:46:05Z] <omanom> although hot dogs with mustard and relish are good
[2021-05-21T18:46:05Z] <midfavila> that's only good if it's not sweet relish
[2021-05-21T18:46:14Z] <omanom> and spam is really only like... a step or two away from hot dogs
[2021-05-21T18:47:36Z] <midfavila> unrelated
[2021-05-21T18:47:49Z] <midfavila> but you've talked about graphical programming before in here, right omanom?
[2021-05-21T18:48:53Z] <omanom> i made a hello world Xaw program with Python lol
[2021-05-21T18:49:00Z] <midfavila> oh, rip
[2021-05-21T18:49:12Z] <midfavila> there was someone who asked me about GTK's API or something the other day...
[2021-05-21T18:49:23Z] <midfavila> I wanted to ask them if they'd ever used raw Xlib to generate a GUI.
[2021-05-21T18:49:40Z] <omanom> ah ok, nope not me
[2021-05-21T18:49:48Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2021-05-21T18:50:26Z] <omanom> sowm was written against Xlib, dylan was working on redoing it with XCB
[2021-05-21T18:50:35Z] <omanom> if you were looking for examples
[2021-05-21T18:50:47Z] <midfavila> oh, the window manager I'm tinkering on was written in xlib 
[2021-05-21T18:50:49Z] <midfavila> that's why I ask
[2021-05-21T18:50:49Z] <midfavila> :P 
[2021-05-21T18:50:54Z] <midfavila> but I'll have to peek
[2021-05-21T18:51:18Z] <midfavila> there's a lot of stuff I have to do before I'll be satisfied with WindowLab
[2021-05-21T18:51:53Z] <midfavila> starting with fixing its interaction with Xaw, updating the manual page, modifying the Makefile, and generally dusting everything off
[2021-05-21T18:51:53Z] <omanom> the patches for sowm might help, as they do some more complex stuff
[2021-05-21T18:52:03Z] * midfavila nods
[2021-05-21T18:52:16Z] <midfavila> I'll also probably peek at FVWM, since I want to steal a few ideas from it
[2021-05-21T18:52:27Z] <midfavila> like the ability to swallow programs without needing XEmbed support
[2021-05-21T18:53:34Z] <omanom> i feel like i've seen that somewhere... probably fvwm but if i remember another spot i'll link it
[2021-05-21T18:53:57Z] <midfavila> as far as I know, FVWM is the only window manager with the ability to pull off that trick
[2021-05-21T18:54:12Z] <midfavila> it's really useful 
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[2021-05-21T18:54:53Z] <midfavila> welp, I gotta go
[2021-05-21T18:55:01Z] <midfavila> friends are gonna come over for a ham dinner in a few hours
[2021-05-21T18:55:04Z] <midfavila> i haven't even started cooking
[2021-05-21T18:55:24Z] <omanom> enjoy!
[2021-05-21T18:55:44Z] <midfavila> gonna make a nice honey-maple syrup glaze
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[2021-05-21T20:05:24Z] <midfavila> okay, first stage of that is done. wew.
[2021-05-21T20:05:53Z] <midfavila> needed to prepare a pineapple for this ham. never again 
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[2021-05-21T20:27:24Z] <zr> Wow, libera is having a bad day
[2021-05-21T20:28:44Z] <jslick> https://github.com/mackstann/tinywm is written in xlib.  Also, dwm is written in xlib.  And dzen I think
[2021-05-21T20:30:09Z] <midfavila> ...ooo
[2021-05-21T20:30:17Z] <midfavila> it has sloppy focus. that'll be useful
[2021-05-21T20:30:19Z] <midfavila> thanks, jslick
[2021-05-21T20:32:22Z] <jslick> np
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[2021-05-21T20:34:40Z] <jslick> might watch out for correctness in tinywm though.  I would have expected at least XCloseDisplay call.
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[2021-05-21T20:35:04Z] <midfavila> well, I'm not just gonna lift the code out of it
[2021-05-21T20:35:46Z] <midfavila> but I want to see their general method. that way I can implement a par, if not superior version of that feature in WindowLab
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[2021-05-21T22:04:57Z] <midfavila> oh my goooooooooooooooood how do people *LIVE* with click to focus!?
[2021-05-21T22:05:13Z] <midfavila> it's the worst focus method imaginable
[2021-05-21T22:05:37Z] <midfavila> short of like, "focus on every window except the one you're pointing at"
[2021-05-21T22:11:13Z] <jslick> idk I switch back and forth on different machines; they each have their pros/cons.  With focus-follows-cursor, sometimes I find myself typing in the wrong window.  Especially, after having switched desktops/tags.  Rare enough that I think I prefer it though.
[2021-05-21T22:11:38Z] <midfavila> see,
[2021-05-21T22:11:47Z] <midfavila> i have that issue, but only with click-to-focus
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[2021-05-21T22:17:10Z] <rio6> I usually focus with keyboard anyways
[2021-05-21T22:21:44Z] <midfavila> so, uh
[2021-05-21T22:21:53Z] <midfavila> do you guys have a /usr/include/gtk directory?
[2021-05-21T22:21:57Z] <midfavila> because I don't.
[2021-05-21T22:22:06Z] <midfavila> (yes, I have a GTK package installed...)
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