[2022-10-04T03:58:00Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-10-04T04:46:32Z] <noocsharp> hi
[2022-10-04T04:59:45Z] <wael[m]> hu
[2022-10-04T04:59:45Z] <wael[m]> h
[2022-10-04T04:59:46Z] <wael[m]> hi
[2022-10-04T05:09:45Z] <testuser[m]> noocsharp: what've you been upto
[2022-10-04T05:15:47Z] <testuser[m]> Most work on Rust in Linux is simply working on getting the systems to cooperate with each other or writing drivers which are redundant with existing C drivers, but cannot replace them due to Rust’s limited selection of targets. Few to none of the efforts from the Rust-in-Linux team are likely to support the kernel’s broader goals for some time.
[2022-10-04T05:47:06Z] <wael[m]> smh
[2022-10-04T06:30:26Z] <testuser[m]> gzip -d < ~/.cache/kiss/bin/baselayout@1-8.tar.gz | ../pax -r -pp; ls -ld tmp
[2022-10-04T06:30:27Z] <testuser[m]> drwxrwxrwt    2 testuser testuser        40 Oct  2 15:27 tmp
[2022-10-04T06:30:28Z] <testuser[m]> phoebos: 
[2022-10-04T06:38:23Z] <testuser[m]> hmmmmmmmm
[2022-10-04T06:38:38Z] <testuser[m]> >  p     Preserve the file mode bits. Other implementation-defined file mode attributes may be preserved.
[2022-10-04T06:38:39Z] <testuser[m]> so bad
[2022-10-04T06:38:45Z] <testuser[m]> baseutils pax tries to set more perms than just file bits
[2022-10-04T06:38:48Z] <testuser[m]> and it errors out
[2022-10-04T06:38:58Z] <testuser[m]> even tho the files are created with correct bits
[2022-10-04T06:56:34Z] <testuser[m]> > if (S_ISLNK(st.st_mode)) return __syscall_ret(-EOPNOTSUPP);
[2022-10-04T07:02:56Z] <testuser[m]> also baseutils pax starts some interactive mode on encountering invalid archive
[2022-10-04T07:02:57Z] <testuser[m]> bruh
[2022-10-04T07:05:41Z] <wael[m]> pax bad??!!
[2022-10-04T07:09:00Z] <testuser[m]> yes
[2022-10-04T07:09:00Z] <testuser[m]> so bad
[2022-10-04T07:10:09Z] <testuser[m]> only fix is to write such parts in c
[2022-10-04T07:29:31Z] <testuser[m]> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[2022-10-04T07:30:08Z] <testuser[m]> seems like its just glibc shit
[2022-10-04T07:30:09Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/MirBSD/mircpio/blob/e148ca67b8d6662b4ed66404652dcde64d92c7b3/file_subs.c#L1020
[2022-10-04T07:31:09Z] <testuser[m]> let me try on musl
[2022-10-04T07:34:16Z] <testuser[m]> musl lacks fts
[2022-10-04T07:35:45Z] <testuser[m]> ye its linux moment not glibc moment
[2022-10-04T07:37:01Z] <testuser[m]> so baseutils can be fixed with a patch, mirbsd baseutils both require libbsd
[2022-10-04T07:37:27Z] <testuser[m]> now what about the behaviour difference where baseutils pax becomes interactive
[2022-10-04T07:38:23Z] <testuser[m]> https://termbin.com/3voa7
[2022-10-04T08:02:33Z] <testuser[m]> what the hell is autopoint now
[2022-10-04T08:02:46Z] <testuser[m]> paxutils - autoreconf: error: autopoint failed with exit status: 2
[2022-10-04T08:05:09Z] <testuser[m]> yeah nvm its not even compilable after bypassing that
[2022-10-04T08:06:13Z] <testuser[m]> ah it needs gnulib
[2022-10-04T08:13:00Z] <wael[m]> gnu??1??1?1??11?1!!?!
[2022-10-04T08:13:33Z] <testuser[m]> mcf pax is not ready yet, same with paxutils (its just a lib)
[2022-10-04T08:13:36Z] <testuser[m]> now to try heirloom
[2022-10-04T08:13:42Z] <testuser[m]> its a CVS repository
[2022-10-04T08:15:01Z] <testuser[m]> LMAO its not been updated since 2011
[2022-10-04T08:24:33Z] <testuser[m]> got it to build with fcommon and fixing up some header, seems to work just fine like mirbsd one
[2022-10-04T08:24:46Z] <testuser[m]> i'd definitely not use it though lol
[2022-10-04T09:17:15Z] <testuser[m]> Maybe busybox tar should just get fixed upstream, this is just trading the problem for another variant of the same problem
[2022-10-04T09:17:18Z] <testuser[m]> but it gets rid of strip components hack
[2022-10-04T09:55:42Z] <phoebos> testuser[m]: when you were testing yesterday did you do kiss i or just tar xf
[2022-10-04T09:58:55Z] <testuser[m]> xf
[2022-10-04T09:59:24Z] <testuser[m]> both
[2022-10-04T09:59:44Z] <testuser[m]> same with both
[2022-10-04T10:01:26Z] <phoebos> hrm
[2022-10-04T10:06:08Z] <testuser[m]> https://codeberg.org/kiss-community/kiss/issues/81
[2022-10-04T10:15:19Z] <testuser[m]> need a pure sh fexecve
[2022-10-04T10:19:56Z] <testuser[m]> maybe unshare a mount namespace?
[2022-10-04T10:45:51Z] <testuser[m]> nvm its solved
[2022-10-04T11:52:47Z] <testuser[m]> how are you supposed to change your login shell
[2022-10-04T11:52:54Z] <testuser[m]> chsh doesn't exist in any package
[2022-10-04T11:53:10Z] <wael[m]> edit /etc/passwd
[2022-10-04T11:53:14Z] <testuser[m]> i know
[2022-10-04T11:53:17Z] <testuser[m]> but its cluky
[2022-10-04T11:53:25Z] <testuser[m]> clunky
[2022-10-04T11:53:38Z] <wael[m]> make posix sh script to parse and edit chsh
[2022-10-04T11:53:49Z] <wael[m]> i believe chsh is provided by shadow
[2022-10-04T11:54:10Z] <wael[m]> or  util-linux-ng
[2022-10-04T11:55:54Z] <testuser[m]> >  --enable-chfn-chsh 
[2022-10-04T11:56:04Z] <wael[m]> whwere is that
[2022-10-04T11:56:17Z] <testuser[m]> in util-linux
[2022-10-04T11:56:20Z] <wael[m]> oh brh
[2022-10-04T11:56:22Z] <testuser[m]> it needs to be added
[2022-10-04T11:56:27Z] <testuser[m]> not enabled by default
[2022-10-04T11:58:47Z] <testuser[m]> oh it needs PAM garbage
[2022-10-04T11:59:02Z] <testuser[m]> nullshit
[2022-10-04T12:10:54Z] <testuser[m]> WTF why is there no other tool to manipulate that file lol
[2022-10-04T12:11:06Z] <wael[m]> cuz bad bad to not edit directly
[2022-10-04T12:11:10Z] <wael[m]> bad bad bad!!!!!!!!!!!1
[2022-10-04T13:48:49Z] <sad_plan> o/
[2022-10-04T13:49:17Z] <wael[m]> \o
[2022-10-04T13:54:16Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/bminor/glibc/blob/7e8283170c5d6805b609a040801d819e362a6292/locale/programs/charmap-dir.c#L228
[2022-10-04T13:54:17Z] <testuser[m]> bruh
[2022-10-04T13:54:32Z] <testuser[m]> found this when using the chroot patch
[2022-10-04T13:55:04Z] <wael[m]> is that glibc hardcoding using gzip instead of your pax thing
[2022-10-04T13:55:47Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2022-10-04T13:55:59Z] <wael[m]> what then
[2022-10-04T13:56:14Z] <testuser[m]> it was executing system gzip for decompressing, and pigz wasnt installed in $KISS_ROOT
[2022-10-04T13:56:19Z] <testuser[m]> why are u inviting clones of yourself
[2022-10-04T13:56:45Z] <wael[m]> uh
[2022-10-04T13:57:34Z] <wael[m]> testuser: pigz is symlinked to gzip?
[2022-10-04T13:57:35Z] <testuser[m]> ea
[2022-10-04T13:57:36Z] <testuser[m]> yes
[2022-10-04T13:57:56Z] <wael[m]> i mean does gzip symlink itself to gzip
[2022-10-04T13:57:57Z] <wael[m]> ok nvm yes ok
[2022-10-04T13:58:48Z] <saturn[m]> hi
[2022-10-04T13:58:51Z] <sad_plan> h
[2022-10-04T13:58:53Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2022-10-04T13:58:54Z] <wael[m]> hi
[2022-10-04T13:59:19Z] <sad_plan> wael[m]: its the other way around really. gzip is symlinked to pigz. pigz is the actuall program being used
[2022-10-04T13:59:34Z] <wael[m]> yes i had the typi
[2022-10-04T13:59:36Z] <wael[m]> tpyp
[2022-10-04T13:59:37Z] <wael[m]> typo
[2022-10-04T13:59:40Z] <sad_plan> yeah
[2022-10-04T14:01:01Z] <saturn[m]> hello sad_plan
[2022-10-04T14:01:11Z] <testuser[m]> saturn: Identify yourself
[2022-10-04T14:01:31Z] <saturn[m]> saturn
[2022-10-04T14:01:32Z] <saturn[m]> im
[2022-10-04T14:01:54Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2022-10-04T14:02:01Z] <wael[m]> yes
[2022-10-04T14:04:18Z] <sad_plan> did anyone ever really use any of the bsd utils? baseutils, bsdutil, nbase? I tried to revisit them, but none of them seems usable tbh..
[2022-10-04T14:04:35Z] <wael[m]> i did want to try baseutils but it wouldnt compile due to incompatibility with glibc
[2022-10-04T14:04:56Z] <sad_plan> hm. I havent gotten any of them to build tbh.
[2022-10-04T14:05:15Z] <wael[m]> what about toybox tho?
[2022-10-04T14:05:16Z] <wael[m]> never heard of bsdutil or nbase
[2022-10-04T14:05:52Z] <sad_plan> im not sure toybox is targeting what I want.. they mostly target gnu stuff, and I mostly dont care for gnu stuff
[2022-10-04T14:05:56Z] <sad_plan> ill give you the links
[2022-10-04T14:06:51Z] <sad_plan> https://github.com/dcantrell/bsdutils
[2022-10-04T14:07:03Z] <wael[m]> freebsd
[2022-10-04T14:07:15Z] <sad_plan> https://github.com/cheusov/nbase
[2022-10-04T14:07:18Z] <wael[m]> it uses meson
[2022-10-04T14:07:20Z] <sad_plan> yeah, and this ones netbsd
[2022-10-04T14:07:24Z] <wael[m]> or can be switched to muon
[2022-10-04T14:07:32Z] <sad_plan> im fine with meson, but it requires other stuff too
[2022-10-04T14:07:34Z] <sad_plan> like libxo
[2022-10-04T14:07:45Z] <midfavila> >your coreutils have dependencies
[2022-10-04T14:07:51Z] <midfavila> begone
[2022-10-04T14:07:52Z] <sad_plan> ^
[2022-10-04T14:08:00Z] <wael[m]> LMAO
[2022-10-04T14:08:07Z] <wael[m]> what about nbase
[2022-10-04T14:08:11Z] <sad_plan> baseutils however doesnt have any other than the basic stufff. C compiler
[2022-10-04T14:08:15Z] <sad_plan> doesnt build
[2022-10-04T14:08:28Z] <wael[m]> arc4_random stuff?
[2022-10-04T14:08:36Z] <midfavila> might peek at nbase if i end up having trouble while writing my own coreutils
[2022-10-04T14:08:43Z] <sad_plan> I dont recall. lemme just check
[2022-10-04T14:08:43Z] <midfavila> nbsd is based
[2022-10-04T14:08:50Z] <testuser[m]> wael: if 0 and arc4random function
[2022-10-04T14:08:53Z] <sad_plan> ah, no it was the pesky makefile
[2022-10-04T14:09:02Z] <testuser[m]> and remove from headers
[2022-10-04T14:09:04Z] <wael[m]> what
[2022-10-04T14:09:13Z] <wael[m]> arc4random funcs are only used in rm and cat
[2022-10-04T14:09:15Z] <wael[m]> in baseutils
[2022-10-04T14:10:11Z] <wael[m]> apparently nbase has a missing seperator on line 23
[2022-10-04T14:10:22Z] <sad_plan> ^ that was the same error Ive got
[2022-10-04T14:10:29Z] <sad_plan> I tried to fix it by tabbing them out, but nah
[2022-10-04T14:10:35Z] <wael[m]> what about baseutils?
[2022-10-04T14:10:40Z] <sad_plan> for baseutils, I get this one /usr/bin/ld: zopen.o:(.bss+0x0): multiple definition of `pmode'; main.o:(.bss+0x24): first defined here
[2022-10-04T14:10:59Z] <sad_plan> im not sure whats the issue here tbh. havent looked too much into it
[2022-10-04T14:11:08Z] <sad_plan> /usr/bin/ld: gzopen.o:(.bss+0x0): multiple definition of `pmode'; main.o:(.bss+0x24): first defined here
[2022-10-04T14:11:08Z] <sad_plan>  
[2022-10-04T14:11:09Z] <wael[m]> atleast yours compiles up to that point lol
[2022-10-04T14:11:21Z] <sad_plan> and this /usr/bin/ld: nullopen.o:(.bss+0x4): multiple definition of `pmode'; main.o:(.bss+0x24): first defined here
[2022-10-04T14:11:25Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2022-10-04T14:11:45Z] <sad_plan> that baseutils though. neither of them actually build, but baseutils is currently the most promising one
[2022-10-04T14:11:55Z] <wael[m]> right now since nbase has some makefile error and sbase has missing features, baseutils compile error, im trying to patch toybox for posix shell
[2022-10-04T14:12:56Z] <sad_plan> yeah lemme know if you figure that out.
[2022-10-04T14:13:06Z] <sad_plan> I have a patch to work from, if you dont already have it
[2022-10-04T14:13:39Z] <wael[m]> im using POSIX.patch from kiss-me and your repository
[2022-10-04T14:13:42Z] <wael[m]> both are the same
[2022-10-04T14:13:48Z] <wael[m]> but missing lines since toybox is somewhat different
[2022-10-04T14:13:48Z] <sad_plan> yeah thats the one ive used
[2022-10-04T14:13:57Z] <sad_plan> yeah, lots of updates since then
[2022-10-04T14:14:06Z] <wael[m]> yeah just updating it 
[2022-10-04T14:14:18Z] <wael[m]> probably something somewhere is fucked but only will know after compilation
[2022-10-04T14:14:29Z] <sad_plan> yeah, i also tried to do that, but I had no luck in it. 
[2022-10-04T14:14:40Z] <sad_plan> youll figure that out before you get to compilation :p
[2022-10-04T14:14:48Z] <wael[m]> lol
[2022-10-04T14:14:57Z] <sad_plan> usually youll get errors when configuring or something
[2022-10-04T14:15:00Z] <sad_plan> atleast thats what I ddi
[2022-10-04T14:15:04Z] <sad_plan> did*
[2022-10-04T14:15:08Z] <wael[m]> configuring?
[2022-10-04T14:15:31Z] <sad_plan> the part before it start to actually build
[2022-10-04T14:15:43Z] <sad_plan> toybox doesnt use a configure script though
[2022-10-04T14:15:48Z] <wael[m]> oh boy
[2022-10-04T14:15:55Z] <wael[m]> scripts/configure ?
[2022-10-04T14:16:09Z] <midfavila> projects that use handwritten makefiles are nice
[2022-10-04T14:16:44Z] <sad_plan> its not used iirc. its the same way as busybox us. its just using a .config file
[2022-10-04T14:16:48Z] <sad_plan> I agree midfavila 
[2022-10-04T14:17:55Z] <wael[m]> i dont know exactly why toybox needs these giant scripts
[2022-10-04T14:18:11Z] <phoebos> re baseutils, pmode should be static enum
[2022-10-04T14:18:20Z] <sad_plan> I have no clue, but I dont like any of them. hence me moving to something else
[2022-10-04T14:19:17Z] <wael[m]> now im getting some really weird errors 
[2022-10-04T14:19:49Z] <sad_plan> phoebos: say what now?
[2022-10-04T14:20:18Z] <midfavila> weird question
[2022-10-04T14:20:23Z] <midfavila> have any of you gotten CDE to run?
[2022-10-04T14:20:40Z] <wael[m]> isnt that ancient 
[2022-10-04T14:20:56Z] <testuser[m]> sad_plan: try -fcommon
[2022-10-04T14:21:15Z] <phoebos> sad_plan: change enum ... pmode in compress.h to static enum ...
[2022-10-04T14:21:21Z] <midfavila> wael[m], it's comfy
[2022-10-04T14:21:28Z] <wael[m]> fair
[2022-10-04T14:21:39Z] <phoebos> or fcommon
[2022-10-04T14:22:06Z] <testuser[m]> phoebos: can u check the latest comment on pr
[2022-10-04T14:22:07Z] <testuser[m]> and is it ok to merge
[2022-10-04T14:24:22Z] <phoebos> testuser[m]: what was the decision re /etc/ssh/update-certdata.sh
[2022-10-04T14:24:38Z] <phoebos> that might need /etc/resolv.conf mounted?
[2022-10-04T14:26:11Z] <testuser[m]> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[2022-10-04T14:26:33Z] <phoebos> *ssl
[2022-10-04T14:26:50Z] <testuser[m]> that would require making it kiss-chroot like
[2022-10-04T14:27:26Z] <testuser[m]> so bad
[2022-10-04T14:28:31Z] <testuser[m]> how do other distros update certs
[2022-10-04T14:31:41Z] <testuser[m]> certdata is updated statically with pkg
[2022-10-04T14:33:36Z] <testuser[m]> that's probably better, can't rely on network
[2022-10-04T14:34:02Z] <testuser[m]> https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/ca-certificates/-/blob/master/certdata.txt
[2022-10-04T14:34:41Z] <phoebos> yes
[2022-10-04T14:35:07Z] <phoebos> or put it in openssl/files and bump relver
[2022-10-04T14:35:27Z] <testuser[m]> 200kb extra in repo
[2022-10-04T14:35:35Z] <testuser[m]> just put it in openssl generated tarball
[2022-10-04T14:35:49Z] <saturn[m]> hello
[2022-10-04T14:35:59Z] <testuser[m]> or maybe seperate repo
[2022-10-04T14:37:33Z] <testuser[m]> just put it in releases 
[2022-10-04T14:38:51Z] <phoebos> definitely better
[2022-10-04T14:39:11Z] <phoebos> are there any scripts which call update-certdata.sh
[2022-10-04T14:39:24Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2022-10-04T14:39:44Z] <phoebos> nice
[2022-10-04T14:39:55Z] <testuser[m]> do we want to print a msg in post install if certs were installed as a .new file?
[2022-10-04T14:41:04Z] <phoebos> to remind people to move them? probably the warning is enough
[2022-10-04T14:41:46Z] <testuser[m]> ok
[2022-10-04T14:47:23Z] <sad_plan> using -fcommon works :D
[2022-10-04T14:48:01Z] <wael[m]> is there an alternative to `sort -s`? toybox uses this to sort and will break with normal `sort`
[2022-10-04T14:49:09Z] <phoebos> what's sort -s
[2022-10-04T14:49:24Z] <sad_plan>         -s      Stable (don't sort ties alphabetically)
[2022-10-04T14:49:30Z] <sad_plan> from busybox
[2022-10-04T14:49:54Z] <phoebos> any idea what a tie means
[2022-10-04T14:50:10Z] <sad_plan> have no clue
[2022-10-04T14:50:14Z] <phoebos> or is it for use with -n
[2022-10-04T14:50:48Z] <wael[m]> its used standalone and with -k 1,1
[2022-10-04T14:50:50Z] <wael[m]> i use sbase and sbase doesnt have this sort flag
[2022-10-04T14:54:11Z] <testuser[m]> https://codeberg.org/kiss-community/repo/pulls/118/files
[2022-10-04T14:55:47Z] <wael[m]> testuser: isn't it still using an internal KISS certificate generator that puts it in a tarball
[2022-10-04T14:56:12Z] <testuser[m]> it cant generate the certificates from /dev/urandom so yeah
[2022-10-04T14:58:04Z] <wael[m]> real
[2022-10-04T14:58:24Z] <testuser[m]> fake
[2022-10-04T15:16:37Z] <wael[m]> midfavila: i believe the reason nbase doesn't work is because it requires bmake, bmakedep, mk-configure
[2022-10-04T15:36:20Z] <macslash1[m]> \o
[2022-10-04T15:38:04Z] <saturn[m]> \o
[2022-10-04T15:38:10Z] <wael[m]> \o
[2022-10-04T22:17:01Z] <saturn[m]> hello everyone
[2022-10-04T22:34:41Z] <Torr> Hey saturn[m] 
[2022-10-04T23:12:00Z] <saturn[m]> hi