NUMBER OF LINES: 999 001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19 1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2$************************* INSTALLED: 7 MAY 89 **************************** 3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator 4$************************************************************************** 5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately 8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general 9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the 10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all 11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the 12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data 13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out 14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering 15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to 16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up. 17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18$************************************************************************** 19$ 002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 05/07/89 21:24 Msg:3775 Call:20940 Lines:2 20 Reality is always stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense. 21 ************************************************************************* 003=Usr:322 Stray Cat 05/07/89 21:34 Msg:3776 Call:20941 Lines:6 22 @#_$)(^@#$_@#)$%!#@_)@&#$%*&@#$+@_)+#!@^&# 23 24 HA ... first 25 26 !@#$+_)@+#($^@#$%(^!#!@#+_)!@(#^@!!)@&#@%$!#@+_@)*#%^)|@$&^ 27 004=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 05/07/89 21:57 Msg:3777 Call:20942 Lines:16 28 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 29 Well, looks like the blancmanges have let someone else have the top of the 30 disk. 31 32 Good thing, too! Isn't there some regulation stating that a human being 33 mst have the top of the disk once a month or so... 34 35 perhaps I should turn him into a Scotsman... hmmm. 36 _ 37 /#) 38 n n n (#/ 39 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 40 /___/____\__\ 41 42 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) 43 005=Usr:196 Cheryl Singer 05/07/89 22:17 Msg:3778 Call:20943 Lines:14 44 ****************************************************************************** 45 Hello, is Cassandra here aga.....and I, for one, have no interest 46 in being turned into a Scotsman (or -woman, for that matter).There 47 has been a lot of talk around about the validity of the "cold fusion" 48 experiments, and what is really happening. What I'm curious about is 49 what ideas people have about how to use the stuffand how that changes 50 things. Oh, by the way, be careful what you say...since this is being 51 tapped. Oh, well... 52 53 Nobody did ever listen to Cassandra, anyw... 54 55 ***Cassandra*** 56 57 ****************************************************************************** 006=Usr:465 Gregg Harris 05/08/89 18:59 Msg:3779 Call:20954 Lines:7 58 )(*&)(&*)(&*(&*)(&*)(&*)(&*)(&*)(&*)(&)(&)(&)(&*)(&*)(&*)(& 59 60 where is ever' body? 61 62 The Mole modus alonus 63 )*&)(&)(&)(&*)(&)(&*)(&*)(&*)(&)(&)(&)(&*)(*&)(&*)(&*)(&*)(&()& 64 007=Usr:4 Milchar 05/08/89 20:35 Msg:3780 Call:20955 Lines:7 65 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 66 Cassandra: I suppose that depends upon what scientists settle on as 67 the most energy producing mix. Secondary radiation (caused by the 68 neutrons emitted by the reaction) could also be a consideration... it 69 means we might never have a car propelled by fusion power (see "Mr. 70 Fusion" in Back to the Future... :-) ) 71 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 008=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 05/08/89 21:31 Msg:3781 Call:20957 Lines:9 72 *%$#)(%)#(%)#(%)@#%)@#_$^()_$%(^)_^(#)_$(_)$#!(^)_$&()_$()_#@(^)_#(^)_#(^)_ 73 74 Milch: ".GT. 4" ? Methings you have been looking at certain FORTRAN programs 75 too much. Did you ever find a source for your needed chips? Sorry I could not 76 help you. 77 78 AD: Sometimes you use one more character pair yourself. Better be careful! 79 80 %()$()_^()_$#(^#(^)(#^)_@^($)_@ L'homme sans Parity %*()%*#)%*#%()_%)*#)@_%% 009=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 05/08/89 22:36 Msg:3783 Call:20961 Lines:420 81 Path: percival!littlei!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!wasatch!donn 82 From: donn@wasatch.utah.edu (Donn Seeley) 83 Newsgroups: alt.fusion 84 Subject: news from the epicenter 85 Summary: recent Pons comments; new confirmations; upcoming meetings; patents 86 Message-ID: <1731@wasatch.utah.edu> 87 Date: 4 May 89 09:11:11 GMT 88 Organization: University of Utah CS Dept 89 Lines: 407 90 91 I've been away for a week -- I was visiting a good friend who was hit 92 by a drunk on the wrong side of a freeway and survived. Some things 93 are more important than fusion (hi, Cynthia! :-). When I got back, I 94 discovered that fusion was still in the papers; here are some more 95 excerpts from local reporting which the country at large seems to have 96 been spared. 97 98 A bit over a week ago, just before I left, Pons gave a news conference 99 in which he presented a few more details about the new work going on at 100 the U. Here are some of Pons's remarks, as reported by the Salt Lake 101 Tribune on April 25th: 102 103 U of chemist B Stanley Pons said Monday [4/24] that his 104 research team is perfecting anew design for his nuclear fusion 105 experiment that may be much better suited for an eventual use 106 as a [sic] energy source. 107 108 Dr Pons decined to give specifics on his new experimental 109 design, other than to say it was 'a clearly dfferent 110 configuration.' He gave dimensions of a cyliner about a foot 111 long and 6 inches in diametr. 112 113 'If we can charge a very large piece ofpalladium, then the 114 power will be consierable,' he said. 'But, again, we would 115 like to build something we can charge up in a shorter ime 116 period.' ... 117 118 He alo said that the design would lend itself to better 119 transfer of energy. 'There aremuch better designs for getting 120 the heat out of the cell.' 121 122 Asked how long beore such a new design could be up and 123 working, he replied, 'I would hope this year.' But he said 124 making the process work on a commercial scale may still be 125 decades away. 'The engineers will be the best people to scale 126 up to that sort of level.' 127 128 Dr Pos said he currently has four cells running, including one 129 that produces no eat. Ten more are within two or three days 130 of running and he guessed that nine more will e up within a 131 week or so. 132 133 The largest one will be about five times the original [sic], 134 which used a palladium rod about 4 inches long and less than a 135 quarter of an inch in diameter. 136 137 Platium and possibly other metals will be substituted for 138 palladium in some of the ne experiments, he said. ... 139 140 He said one possible reason that other labs have not confirmed 141 the results is that the palladium rod must be used as it is 142 cast. Rods that have been machined or extruded do not seem to 143 work. 'I think it's clear now that the processing of the 144 plladium may be a factor.' 145 146 Given what he has learned about that, Dr Pons said he can 147 reproduce the results better than 90 percent of the time. ... 148 149 The [Walling-Simons] theory was strengthened by Dr Pons' 150 statement a week ago [4/18?] that he had measured a trillion 151 helium atoms per second coming off the device. He acknowledged 152 Monday that some helium may be present in the palladium before 153 thereaction begins, but those trace amounts are 'probably a 154 million times less'than the amounts he has observed. ... 155 156 'You could consume the palladium, the plainum, the glass, all 157 the water, everyting' and not generate the observed heat, he 158 said. 159 160 He cited the xperiments at Texas A&M University and Stanford 161 University as the most important confimations. Those two are 162 believed tobe the only ones to support the controversial 163 heat-producing aspects. Dr Pons said he knws of no 164 confirmation of the helium generation. 165 166 Another article in the same edition of the Tribune contained some testy 167 remarks by Pons about control experiments: 168 169 Dr ons and Dr Fleischmann have been criticized for not 170 maintaining a control experimnt with light, or ordinary, 171 wter, but Dr Pons said Monday such an experiment was not a 172 good control. 173 174 'We've always run a control experiment,' he said. The problem 175 is that the world is trying to tellus what a control 176 experiment is. I mightnot agree that plain water is a control 177 experiment. I'll argue that.' 178 179 The APS meeting was reported on the front pages of the Tribune and the 180 Deseret News. On Monday Pons seemed to be in hiding; the Tuesday 181 morning (5/2) Tribune was only able to say: 182 183 Dr Pons declined to comment on the APS meeting] Monday, 184 refrring all inquiries to university officials. 185 186 By Tuesday afternoon Pons was back to form, according to the News: 187 188 Pons and Fleichmann Tuesday were elated by the physicists' 189 remarks. 190 191 'We ae extremely pleased because they confirm our findings,' 192 Pons said. 'The absece of neutrons doesn't concern us in the 193 slightest. We couldn't be happier. We and other scintists 194 will soon tell them why this is so.' 195 196 Pons seemed rather blithe given the attacks cited later in the article: 197 198 The Monday conference comes on the heels f the scathing 199 editorial in the New York Time that stated that the University 200 of Utah 'may now claim credit for the artificial-heart horror 201 show and the cold-fusion circus, two milestones at least in the 202 history of entertainment if not of science.' ... 203 204 The physicists at the meeting gave their loudest cheer Monday 205 night -- mixed with a few boos -- to S E Koonin of the 206 Uiversity of California at Santa Barbara who attacked Pons and 207 Fleischman. 208 209 'Based on my knowledge,' he said, 'the xperiment is wrong. It 210 suffers from he incompetence and delusions of Drs Pons and 211 Fleischmann.' ... 212 213 He joked that maybe Utah and its environment are to blame. 'I 214 don't know how much (radioactive) radon gas they have in the 215 lab, but I do know they mine uranium in Utah.' 216 217 I suppose Koonin could equally well have mentioned all that wonderful 218 fallout that the federal government spread over the state back in the 219 days of open-air atomic testing... 220 221 The only direct rejoinder from Pons in the article was quite tart: 222 223 'We are amazed that Proessor Lewis [of Caltech] has learned 224 how to solve all those problems in only one month when it took 225 us 5 1/2 years. We further would like to know that if his 226 results are to be thermodynamically feasible, why is it that he 227 doesn't observe cold spots along with his hot spots?' Pons 228 said. 229 230 The response of the local papers to the APS flap was to contact groups 231 that had reported confirmations of the experiment and print their 232 (positive, naturally) responses. Here is what the Tribune had to say 233 this morning: 234 235 Scientists who have confirmed the heat-prodcing aspects of the 236 University of Utah' solid-state nuclear fusion experiment are 237 standing firm despite an avalanche of criticism b physicists 238 meeting in Baltimore. 239 240 And one of the scientists, Uziel Landau of Case Western 241 University, criticized the scientists for 'unfair' statements 242 about the U of U electrochemists, Stanley Pons and Martin 243 Fleischmann [sic]. 244 245 'I think the statementswere just outrageous,' said Dr Landau, 246 a professor of chemical engineering at the Cleveland, Ohi, 247 school. He added that he wasn't at the meeting and only nows 248 what he heard on the radio. 249 250 Dr Landau, who announced his confirmation on Saturday, and 251 scientists at Texas A&M University and Stanford University are 252 believed to be the only people to publicly confirm the excess 253 heat of the Fleischmann-Pons experiment. ... 254 255 'Wedo see a net power output from our cell, pretty much along 256 the same numberas Fleischmann and Pons had reported,' [Landau] 257 said. ... 258 259 Dr Landau took exception with reports that the original 260 eperiment and the confirmations suffer from improper heat 261 calculations. 'I do't think we have a calculation error,' he 262 said. 'We are just as expert as anyone else at hea-transfer 263 calculations.' 264 265 He also said he had great respect for Dr Fleischmann, whom he 266 said he has known for about 10 years. 'He's a very cautious, 267 very careful guy, highly regarded. I take very seriously any 268 statement that has come out of him.' 269 270 He sad he has also seen a slight increase in tritium levels in 271 the heavy water slution, but is making no conclusions yet. 272 'We stay way short of saying we have seen fusion.' ... 273 274 Joel Scherkin, spokesman for StanfordUniversity, said Robert 275 Huggins andhis team have an electrolytic cell that continues 276 to produce excess energy. ... 277 278 'They are standing by their guns,' he said, addin that they 279 are bracing for more criticism. 'Theyare circling the 280 wagons.' 281 282 He said Dr Huggins has submitted a paper to 'a prestigious 283 journal' that he would not name, and he wouldn't have any 284 other press announcements until it is published. 'We're going 285 to do what the University of Utah didn't.' 286 287 Txas A&M spokesman Ed Walraven said chemist Charles Martin and 288 his team re 'a little surprised' by the acrimony coming from 289 the Baltimore meeting, but 'tey're not angry.' 290 291 Mr Walrven said the school now has about a dozen electrolytic 292 cells running in heavy wate in various departments on campus, 293 and 'about half' of them are producing heat. 294 295 'The cells still continue to generate excess energy, and the 296 researchers continue to document those findings,' he said, 297 adding a note of caution: 'We're far from having all the 298 problems licked.' 299 300 The News went so far as to report a confirmation from a second group at 301 A&M: 302 303 A second team of researchers at Texas A&M University has 304 announced successful replication of the most controversial part 305 of the U experiment. Their electrochemical reaction produced 306 more energy than required to make the reaction work. ... 307 308 Wednesday's confirmation by John Appleby, world-renowned 309 electrochemist at Texas A&M University, could help silence 310 skeptics who for six weeks have criticized the revolutionary 311 research of Pons and Fleischmann. 312 313 Appleby, diector of the Electrochemical Systems and Hydrogen 314 Research Center, and his colleagus are the second Texas A&M 315 tea to independently confirm the project. ... 316 317 'His (Appleby's) confirmation is no state secret, but he has 318 only mentioned it to colleagues in conservative way,' said Ed 319 Wlraven, assistant director of public information at the Texas 320 universit. 321 322 Walraven indicated that Appleby's formal nnouncement is 323 pending publication of his daa in a scientific journal. 324 325 Like the team headed by [A&M electrochemist] Martin, the 326 electrochemical reaction carried out by Appleby's group 327 prouced between 20 percent more energy [sic] than required to 328 make the reactin work, Walraven said. 329 330 Like Martin's group, Appleby and colleagues report generating 331 lower percentages of energy than do Pons and Fleischmann. 332 333 Walraven said both Texas A&M teams are now trying to determine 334 why the initial experiments (of Martin) produced between 60 and 335 80 [sic] more energy than required to make the reaction work -- and a secnd ex 336 excess energy -- although at a somehat lower level. They have 337 half dozen experiments that are producing excess heat. 338 339 The News described how the electrochemists were planning to take their 340 revenge on the physicists: 341 342 .. U officials, who filed another patent application this 343 week, predicted Wedneday that many more groups will announce 344 confirmation next week at the biannual meeting of the 345 Electrochemical Society in Los Angeles. 346 347 Hugo Rossi, dean of the U College of Science and newly 348 appointed director of the U's solid-state fusion research 349 effort,said May 8 will be 'F-Day' -- the day that an 350 additional chemists [sic], meeting with ther colleagues, will 351 report successful repoduction of the experiment that's caused 352 fusion fever to run rampant worldwide. 353 354 Rossi said several people are scheduled to speak at a specil 355 session at 5:45 PM 'at which time five or six papers will be 356 reporting results consistent' with U chemists B Stanley Pons 357 and Martin Fleischmann. 358 359 Rossi, wh is overseeing the expansion and scaling up of the U 360 experiment, hopes confirmatons on Monday will satisfy the 361 state Fusion/Energy Advisory Council. The council is charged 362 wth allocating $5 million in state money for fusion 363 development. 364 365 Also coming up in three weeks is a cold fusion workshop sponsored by 366 Los Alamos, according to the 4/25 Tribune, although the APS fiasco may 367 take some of the steam out of it: 368 369 US Secretary of Energy James D Watkins ha directed his 10 370 national laboratories to tep up cold nuclear fusion 371 effrts... 372 373 ... Los Alamos National Labortory will sponsor a scientific 374 workshop on the subject in Santa Fe, NM, May 23-25. ... 375 376 [DOE spokesman] Mr Sherwood said the May cold fusion meeting 377 will be chaired by Nobel Prize-winning physicist Robert 378 Schrieffer, director of the Institute of Theoretical Physics at 379 the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Norman 380 Hckerman, a chemist and former president of the University of 381 Texas who i a member of the National Academy of Sciences. 382 383 In the meantime Pons apparently will work fairly closely with LANL: 384 385 [Pons] ave sketchy details of his planned collaboration 386 with Los Alamos. Scientists from th New Mexico laboratory 387 will bring thei equipment to Utah to examine the experiment, 388 and they will likely take one of the workig cells back with 389 them. 390 391 Some contributors to alt.fusion have speculated that patent 392 considerations have led Pons and Fleischmann to restrict detailed 393 information about their technique. A long article on patents in the 394 4/28 Tribune shows one U official trying to dispel this impression, 395 while at the same time a U attorney apparently contradicts him: 396 397 The Utah Attorney General's Office has selected law firms in 398 Salt Lake City and Houston to lead what is already being 399 caracterized as a 'nasty' patent fight on its nuclear fusion 400 research. ... 401 402 Assistant Attorney General Joseph Tesch Thursay told members 403 of the Fusion/Energy Advisoy Council, the panel formed to 404 distribute $5 million in state fusion money, that his office 405 had retained the Salt Lake firm of Giauque, Williams, Wilcox 406 and Bndinger to oversee the patent fight. 407 408 And Richard Giauque, who Mr Tesch described as one of the best 409 trial lawyers in America,' old the panel that he has hired the 410 Houston firm of Arnold, White and Durkee to assist in securing 411 national and international patent rights. 412 413 Arnold, White and Durkee attorney Paul Janicke, who Mr Giauque 414 described as 'a very, very tough litigator,' will lead the 415 patent effort. ... 416 417 The university had prviously hired California attorney Peter 418 Dallinger, a nuclear physicist who filed the first patet 419 applications, and he will continue to assist the legal team U 420 Vice President for Research James Brophy said. ... 421 422 'Events which probably ought not to be made publi have 423 occurred in the last few days, which indicate tha there are 424 people who are going to take every advntage they can,' Mr 425 Tesch said. 426 427 Mr Giauque said his immediate goal is to stop the flow of 428 information that could undermine the patents. 'We need to get 429 a tight hold very earlyon disclosures.' 430 431 Drs Pons and Feischmann have been criticized for providing too 432 little information to other scientits trying to duplicate the 433 experment, but Dr Brophy said they are not withholding 434 information for patent reasons. 435 436 He acknowledged that the only paper the pair ha published is 437 not as thorough as it could hav been, but he and both 438 scientists havetried to help their colleagues over the phone. 439 440 He said some scientistshave been 'surprisingly naive' and have 441 committed some careless mistakes in trying to reproducethe 442 experiment. 'You have to remember that Pons and Fleichmann 443 spent 5 1/2 hears on this.' ... 444 445 The U has filed several patent applications and plans to file 446 more, and other schools, including university patent leader 447 Massachusetts Institute of Technology, have said they have 448 filed applications on their own interpretations of the 449 experiment. 450 451 The competition became quite apparentwhen Mr Giauque was 452 interviewing patentfirms. 'As we scouted the major patent 453 firms, we found that some of them had developed conflic-of- 454 interest problems already.' 455 456 Mr Tesch had council members sign a confidential disclosure 457 agreement requiring them to not discuss patent-sensitive 458 issues. 'Any violation of that would be a crime,' he said. 459 .. 460 461 I couldn't resist repeating one little ironic comment about the media 462 circus that appeared in the 4/26 Tribune: 463 464 Drs Pons and Fleischmann were accompanied on their Capitol Hill 465 visits by U of U President Chase N Peterson and by James J 466 Bophy, the U's vice president for research. Rep. Howard C 467 Nielson joined th U contingent with Majority Leader Foley, 468 whose dog Alice was also in attendance. 469 470 (Yes, but was the dog a physicist or a chemist?) 471 472 While on the subject of the Capitol Hill testimony, I wanted to mention 473 that as far as I know, the $25 million figure that has been attributed 474 to Pons on alt.fusion actually came from U President Chase Peterson. 475 U officials have lost most of their self-respect when it comes to 476 scrounging for cash -- the Utah educational system is strapped, having 477 suffered budget cuts in recent years and having narrowly avoided 478 disaster with the defeat of massive tax rollback initiatives last 479 November. The Channel 2 evening news tonight had a report on grade 480 school education in Utah and found that among the 50 states and the 481 District of Columbia, Utah ranks: 482 483 51st in class sizes (24.1 pupils per teacher); 484 50th in spending per student; and 485 43rd in teacher salaries. 486 487 Utah does manage to reach the national average on standardized tests, 488 although this says to me that the state could be far superior if it 489 wanted to. A schoolteacher friend of mine quit last year and is now 490 driving limousines for a living... 491 492 Let's hope that in a year from now, Stan Pons isn't in that line of 493 work too, 494 495 Donn Seeley University of Utah CS Dept donn@cs.utah.edu 496 40 46' 6"N 111 50' 34"W (801) 581-5668 utah-cs!donn 497 ************************************************************************ 498 Sorry about some of the dropouts, I'm not sure it is it me or the line. 499 I have been getting some strange line noise problems lately... 500 ************************ CM ********************************************* 010=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 05/08/89 23:22 Msg:3784 Call:20962 Lines:57 501 Isn't it strange how history can repeat itself, and the oil companies never 502 seem to learn anything except how to raise prices and increase profit and 503 destroy more of the environment.......from 1986: 504 505 APwa 01/16 0552 TankerBan 506 PORT ANGELES, Wash. (AP) -- Clallam County officials say they are considerin 507 aban on tanker traffic in Port Angeles Harbor because of last month's oil spill 508 that fouled the county's beaches and killed more than 1,000 birds. 509 Commissioner Dorothy Duncan said commissioners were weighing the costs and 510 benefits of allowing oil tankers to berth in Port Angeles on their way to 511 refineries in Washington's inland waters. 512 But Atlantic Richfield Co., owner of the tanker ARCO Anchoragethat spilled 513 the 189,000 gallons of Alaska crude oil in Port Angeles on Dec. 21, said it and 514 other tanker owners would challenge any move to keep tankers out of the harbor. 515 And Coast Guard Capt. John De Carteret said that even though the county coul 516 court and proved in violation of interstate commerce rules. 517 Cleanup of the spill is nearly complete. Arco is paying the more than $3 518 million in cleanup costs. 519 The existing regulation banning tankers of more than 125,000 tons from Puget 520 Sound was established only because the state asked the Coast Guard to institute 521 the rule, De Carteret said. 522 Ms. Duncan was not available Wednesday evening to respond to De Carteret's 523 statements. 524 She said earlier that there's a feeling among constituents that there's no 525 reason why tankers of that size should come into a sheltered harbor. 526 Oil-carrying tankers like the ARCO Anchorage, which weighs in just under the 527 125,000-ton limit, frequently use Port Angeles as a holding area. 528 Industry figures show that 54 such vessels stopped at Port Angeles last year 529 City and county officials say they had warned that Port Angeles was poorly 530 prepared to deal with such calamities. 531 Port Angeles officials say they repeatedly tried to pin down Coast Guard 532 officials on plans for fighting a major oil spill, but got nowhere. 533 An effort by the city to pass an ordinance giving local officials more 534 information on ships berthing in their harbor encountered resistance from 535 industry. 536 Ms. Duncan said neither state nor federal law requires an assessment of the 537 quality of a cleanup. 538 In 1979, the Coast Guard received $46 million for equipment and start-up 539 costs for 11 oil spill cleanup teams, including one for Puget Sound. But budget 540 cuts have eliminated the $10 million yearly to hire 333 Coast Guard personnel t 541 man the strike teams, and the strike force equipment sits in warehouses unused. 542 Only three strike teams are currently active. One is in Mississippi, another 543 in New Jersey and the third is in San Francisco. 544 And obviously not one in Alaska....Someone could have seen the Valdez spill 545 coming...and probably did, but it is more profitable to let the disaster happen 546 than spending money, after all how could profitability be maintained if all 547 money was "wasted" and there was no oil spill? And the oil spills just keep 548 coming, another over the weekend off Saudi Arabia, the captain was navigating 549 with out of date charts and ran aground on a reef. Sound familiar? 550 Evidently some lessons just won't be learned by some mentalities...assuming 551 there is some HUMAN intelligence in charge at the top of the "Seven Sisters"... 552 but then again I'm assuming too much....... 553 554 ___------>BOYCOTT EXXON<--------_____(and ARCO...they've spilt more than their 555 share of oil lately too)....Why not give up fossil fuels altogether? 556 557 011=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 05/09/89 11:05 Msg:3785 Call:20969 Lines:38 558 696969696969 559 560 Do you need more reasons not to do business with the oil companies 561 ??????? Oil prices down....gasoline prices the same or higher.... 562 OPEC SENDS OIL FUTURES REELING:-5/9/89 563 Reports of overproduction by OPEC knocked oil futures prices to their 564 lowest levels in nearly two months. June contracts for West Texas intermediate 565 fell 58 cents to $19.44 a barrel on the New York Merc. OPEC members boosted 566 their production in April to 20.9 million barrels a day, Petroleum 567 Intelligence Weekly' says. 568 SENATE FINDS FRAUD IN OIL FIRMS:-5/9/89 569 Senate investigators who went undercover to check on oil and gas companies 570 operating on the nation's Indian reservations found systematic under-reporting 571 and low payments to tribes. Their findings are expected to be revealed, 572 beginning Tuesday, as a special Senate committee investigating alleged fraud 573 and abuse in Indian programs opens its second round of hearings. 574 575 ...a kinder, gentler nation indeed! The "environmental president" indeed! 576 577 and a warning for long distance callers at pay phones: 578 CONSUMER GROUP - READ THE LABEL:-5/9/89 579 A recent law forcing pay telephone owners to choose a long- distance 580 company could spell trouble for consumers. Consumer groups advise customers to 581 read the labels on pay telephones before dialing, as some smaller companies 582 charge as much as five times that of larger carrier rates. 583 The three major long-distance carriers offered their access codes Monday 584 as a new rule forced pay telephone owners to choose a carrier. Some smaller 585 companies charge five times the rates of AT&T, Sprint of MCI. Phone customers 586 must now go through a carrier chosen by the phone owner, or dial another 587 company's code. Access codes: AT&T - 10288; MCI - 10222; Sprint - 10333. 588 Direct dial and person-to-person calls from pay telephones will be routed 589 through AT&T, despite recent government regulations requiring pay telephone 590 owners to select a carrier. By law, pay telephones must be labeled with the 591 name of the selected carrier on a sticker above the coin box. 592 593 presented in the spirit of the quote opening this disk...... 594 696969696969696969 595 012=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/09/89 11:36 Msg:3786 Call:20970 Lines:11 596 &*&*&*&*'s 597 Me put in extra &*'s? Hmm, I might at that. 598 599 Well, I'm back from that cold dark land known as The Dalles. Just checking in 600 for now, but I'll be back later. (Big deal eh?) 601 602 I love the info. here well worth reading. 603 604 An Astral Dreamer 605 &*&*&*&*'s 606 013=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/09/89 19:36 Msg:3787 Call:20978 Lines:3 607 608 Standard looking around note. 'I hear the sound of silence.' 609 014=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 05/09/89 23:11 Msg:3788 Call:20983 Lines:1 610 [][][][][][][] Friar was here [][][][][][][][][][] Boycott Exxon! 015=Usr:277 Schizo 05/10/89 01:07 Msg:3789 Call:20985 Lines:4 611 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 612 Yes, that makes sense, but you forgot to mention that golf balls 613 exibit the Magnus Effect. 614 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 016=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/10/89 15:47 Msg:3790 Call:20995 Lines:7 615 &*&*&*&*'s 616 617 Ok, there must be something of interest going on. 618 619 An Astral Dreamer 620 &*&*&*&*'s 621 017=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/10/89 18:36 Msg:3791 Call:20996 Lines:57 622 . . . CONECTION 623 624 The new console was everything Kit had believed it would be. These 625 new models were lightning fast, Giving anybody who used them an edge. 626 "Invoke program mode overload." 627 Blitter, in the form of a slowly pulsing ball of light hovering 628 beside him answered. "Overload mode invoked. Ready we are." 629 "Good, I want you to be sure not to get lost. This is going to be 630 an interesting experiment.." 631 "Yes Kit." 632 The cold dark light of Cyber space surronded them. The twinkling bits 633 like stars flew by at jetlike speeds. With a jolt the bits slowed, until 634 they moved by at a much more leisurly pace. 635 "Hot d*mn, I'm going to kick some *ss now!." 636 "Kit, this dangerous, you risk burnout..." 637 "I know my limits blitter, you just keep in the background for now." 638 "Yes Kit." 639 He moved forward like a ball of lightning, invoking the scrambling 640 procs he always kept on line. Knowbody was going to know where 641 he was coming from. He could feel the power surging through him, knew that 642 there wasn't a corporate fink anywhere that could touch him. Unless.. 643 "We're heading in, foreground blitter. Handle the scrambles. Get 644 ready to watch one hell of an explosion." 645 Kit decided to switch enviorments. He was in a jet fighter plane, 646 streaking through the sky towards a group of buildings that surrounded a 647 field. As he came down low he could hear the alarms begin to sound. He 648 did a quick countdown, and then let lose with two Data seeking missles. they 649 burst into the command tower, blowing it into tiny little pieces. "Yahoo!" 650 "Kit! Interceptors coming in, to your left!" 651 He looked around and saw two dozen jet fighter craft heading his way. 652 They were moving slower but still might be able to corner him. "Bring the 653 ECM's online blitter. Do a full launch, repeat full launch!" 654 "Yes Kit." There was a sudden flare behind him, as blitter invoked the 655 ECM's. half the Interceptors lost their fixes and drifted off, but he still 656 had another twelve to worry about. 657 He made a rapid turn back towards the compound. The remaining jets 658 were coming in fast, he'd have to time this just right or they would have 659 him cornored. "Arm the obliterator!" 660 "Ready Kit." 661 He was about to be pinned between two of the interceptors. With a rapid 662 motion on the stick he dived beneath them. The flash as they colided 663 momentarily blinded him, and when he was able to see again his target was 664 just in front of him. 'Drop the Obliterator blitter.!" 665 "Bombs away!" 666 "Envoke hyper-space." 667 Everything went light,dark and then light again. The plane was still 668 in evasive manuevers. "How'd it go?" 669 "CPU destroyed, lost the interceptors when net access went down." 670 "And we made it out without a scratch! We burned the corps again." 671@ "One down, 23 million plus to go." Kit reminded him. 672@ "When the h*ll did I teach you to be cynical?" 673@ 674 "One down, 23 million plus to go." blitter reminded him. 675 "When the h*ll did I teach you to be cynical?" 676 677 . . . CONNECTION CLOSED. 678 018=Usr:233 molusk the crab 05/10/89 20:51 Msg:3792 Call:20997 Lines:18 679 ********************************** 680 Just sitin' here watching 681 the world go round and round, 682 you know I just wish that it would 683 go. Until there was no more 684 sufferin' or wo. 685 686 Imagine all that before 687 you, and above you only sky. The 688 end is not tommorow, so don't say 689 goodbye. 690 691 Hapiness is a warm sun, 692 in that sky. Ever stop to wonder 693 why? 694 695 ********************************* 696 019=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 05/10/89 22:11 Msg:3793 Call:20999 Lines:89 697 696969696969 698 APn 05/07 1989.By PAUL JENKINS Associated Press Writer 699 VALDEZ, Alaska (AP) -- Alaska's top environmental official testified Sunday 700 that a "reluctant and myopic" Exxon stalled efforts to clean up the nation's 701 largest oil spill by largely ignoring damage outside the immediate spill zone. 702 Dennis Kelso, commissioner of the state Department of Environmental 703 Conservation, told a congressional panel the spill has caused "550 miles of oil 704 filthy foam and tar balls." 705 He said that on the East Coast, it would be the equivalent of oil washing up 706 on beaches from Boston south to the mouth of Chesapeake Bay and possibly to the 707 Potomac River. 708 "The industry's response was reluctant and myopic, chacterized by stalling 709 techniques, disinformation, and a refusal to pay real attention to damage 710 outside of Prince William Sound," Kelso told the five-member subcommittee of th 711 House Interior Committee. 712 The congressional panel planned two days of hearings in Valdez, with 713 testimony scheduled from state, federal and Exxon officials. 714 In another development Sunday, a state official said Exxon's decision to pul 715 cleanup crews from an oil-stained beach caught authorities by surprise, but a 716 spokesman for the oil company defended the decision. 717 The oil company removed its workers Saturday from a pebble-strewn beach on 718 the north edge of Smith Island, a site described only shortly before by the 719 ranking federal official in charge of the cleanup as "far from clean." The site 720 was one of those visited last week by Vice President Dan Quayle during his 721 stopover in the state. 722 Crews remained on the island, but at another oil-fouled landfall nearby, 723 Exxon said. The island is considered crucial to the annual seal pupping cycle. 724 "The people who were here last night from Exxon didn't know anything about 725 this," Pete McGee, a scientist with the state Department of Environmental 726 Conservation, said Sunday. Exxon and state and federal officials have been 727 conducting nightly meetings on the progress of the cleanup. 728 McGee said state and federal officials were surprised that the beach cleanup 729 was halted because "the beach was not adequately clean." 730 Exxon spokesman Pete Stilling said the cleanup crews were moved off the 731 northern beach in order to attack more heavily soiled areas nearby. 732 "I think we fully intend to come back to that beach. I won't tell you we'll 733 be back on that beach tomorrow," Stilling said. "(Exxon's) best judgment at thi 734 point is that it's time to move on." 735 Al Ewing, an assistant regional administrator of the U.S. Environmental 736 Protection Agency, said he was on the north beach Saturday morning and found it 737 still "very difficult to walk on" because of the oil. 738 Exxon faces a Wednesday deadline to have the worst of the oil cleansed from 739 several islands in Prince William Sound, and has promised to clean some 364 740 miles of coastline by Sept. 15. 741 The tanker Exxon Valdez ran aground on a reef in the sound on March 24 after 742 filling its storage tanks with crude from the trans-Alaska pipeline. More than 743 10 million gallons of oil poured into the sound. 744 745 OFFICIAL - EXXON SKEWS REPORTS:-5/10/89 746 Exxon is misleading the public about how fast it reacted to the March 24 747 Valdez oil spill, Alaska's top environmental official said Tuesday. 748 Environmental Conservation Commissioner Dennis Kelso was to testify Wednesday 749 before Congress that oil firms should be made to accept state supervision of 750 cleanups. 751 Exxon says it spent $95 million cleaning up the Alaska spill and is waging 752 a public relations campaign defending its response. Damage might have been 753 lessened, the company said, had the state allowed it to use chemical 754 dispersants. Alaska's environmental chief, Dennis Kelso, denies that Exxon 755 requested their use. 756 Exxon sent home Tuesday the Soviet oil-skimming ship Vaydaghubsky from 757 its cleanup duties along the Alaska coast. The ship has been under a $15,000- 758 a-day Exxon contract. In a related development, Alaska Gov. Steve Cowper 759 signed into law a bill raising taxes on oil firms by $235 million next year. 760 KELSO - CAN'T TRUST INDUSTRY:-5/10/89 761 The oil spill in Prince William Sound proves that the oil industry can't 762 be trusted to direct cleanup of future accidents, Alaska's environmental chief 763 said Tuesday. Dennis Kelso said oil companies should pay for teams of 764 government workers trained to contain oil spills.0He said Exxon and others 765 were misleading the public about how quickly they responded to the spill. 766 767 BUSH DRAWS FIRE ON ENVIRONMENT:-5/10/89 768 Two recent Bush administration actions affecting the environment are 769 making politicians, scientists and environmentalists increasingly upset about 770 Bush's noncommittal behavior toward what they believe are the world's most 771 critical issues. The administbqtio~ recently diluted scientific testimony on 772 global warming and hesitated to sponsor a global convention. 773 White House officials defend President Bush's role as an environmental 774 president, citing four areas: a promised U.S. phase out of chlorofluorocarbons 775 considered a cause of global warming, increased financing for global warming 776 research, cleanup programs and new amendments to the Clean Air Act. 777 ENVIRONMENTAL ATTENTION MISSING:-5/10/89 778 The Bush administratyon's dilution of scientific testimony on global 779 warming and its hesitation to sponsor a global convention suggest the 780 environmental president is missing, critics say. The actions join a list 781 that's making politicians and environmentalists disgruntled. Global warming is 782 considered a critical issue because of its relationship to climate and the 783 ozone layer. 784 785 696969696969696969 020=Usr:465 Gregg Xarrys 05/10/89 23:02 Msg:3794 Call:21000 Lines:7 786 )*&)(*&)(*&)(**&)(*)(*&((&((*& 787 788 to busy to write anything intelligable 789 790 the Mole 791 )(*(&)(*&&)(*&)(*&&)(*&)(*&)(*& 792 021=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 05/11/89 01:00 Msg:3795 Call:21003 Lines:7 793 {} 794 795 Whatever happened to solar power? ;->) 796 797 H. Celine (the one and only) 798 799 {} 022=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/11/89 07:34 Msg:3796 Call:21005 Lines:10 800 801 &*&*&*&*'s 802 Hqgbard, where have ya' been? Are you back for an extended stay? 803 804 6 days and counting... 805 one month and counting 806 807 An Astral Dreamer 808 &*&*&*&*'s 809 023=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 05/11/89 16:56 Msg:3797 Call:21015 Lines:11 810 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | H'lo Hagbard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 811 812 >Whatever Happened to Solar Power? 813 814 Easy, you can't sell solar power off to people, so no one has made any 815 seroius attempts to develop it. 816 817 \urk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk Lurk 818 819 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Gilder Rufrukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 820 024=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/11/89 18:41 Msg:3798 Call:21017 Lines:3 821 822 I'm just leaving a mark on the board. 823 025=Usr:277 Schizo 05/11/89 20:49 Msg:3799 Call:21019 Lines:6 824 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! !!! 825 Were not gonna take any more. 826 You're not gonna steal from me anymore. 827 My men search the town door to door. 828 and in time they will find you! 829 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! !!! 026=Usr:113 James Of Cassand 05/11/89 21:46 Msg:3800 Call:21021 Lines:5 830 831 832 833 still counting down the days. Magic number 8. 834 027=Usr:82 SWORDSMITH 05/11/89 23:20 Msg:3801 Call:21025 Lines:1 835 SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS.SS 028=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 05/12/89 15:14 Msg:3802 Call:21035 Lines:6 836 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Huh?????????????????????????????????????? 837 838 Counting the days? "Days to what?" might I ask? 839 840 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Bankrupt Exxon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 841 029=Usr:465 Gregg Harris 05/12/89 17:51 Msg:3803 Call:21038 Lines:14 842 )(*&)(*&)(*&)(*&)(*&)(*&)(*)(*&)*& 843 WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP! 844 845 May 17th approaching. 846 847 Five days until collision. 848 849 Run and hide. 850 851 Aaaaiiiiigggggghhhhhhhh!!!!! 852 853 The Mole with nothing ympo'dant to say 854 )(*&)(*&)(*&)((*&)(*)(*&)(*&)(*&)(*)(* 855 030=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 05/12/89 20:45 Msg:3804 Call:21041 Lines:18 856 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 857 Jst lurking, but I guess I should contribute: 858 859 About gas prices: $10 filled my car HALFWAY last week! (@ Shell if 860 anyone cares). "Boycott EXXON?" You bet! 861 Aout old growth: Seen drawn in dirt on mudflap of lumber truck today: 862 I (heart) owls. 863 About cold-fusion: Phelps! Get me02 feet of palladium wire and a 864 'Twinkie'! 865 _ 866 /#) 867 n n n (#/ 868 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 869 /___/____\__\ 870 871 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) 872 873 031=Usr:4 Milchar 05/12/89 22:41 Msg:3805 Call:21046 Lines:56 874 ::: BGN CYBER-LINK: ID F78B:9EA1:C88D CODED: SEMAPHORE ::: 875 876 "Dana, give me the summary of last week's operations, and--" began 877 Turing Director Mark A. Hudsen, head of one of the most respected 878 enforcement agencies in the world. Hundreds of highly trained agents lay 879 under his command, each watching the half-dozen AI installations assigned 880 to him. The week's summary would be dozens of pages long and take Hudsen 881 half the afternoon to study. The Director's secretary, Dana, would have 882 the report to hym in a few moments. 883 "Director," called a voice from a hidden speaker, "I have an 884 emergency security situation. Something has breached all outer ICE 885 systems and is scanning the internal net. My efforts to purge it have 886 come to nothing, so far." 887 Hudsen suddenly forgot the summary. "Identify it!" he yelled. 888 A puzzled look crossed his face. "Why can't you purge it, Miranda?" 889 "I have failed to identify, purge, or effect the intruding program 89 afder 29 attempts. It is an unique type, quite adaptable 891 to any standard mode of attack. My own scanning subprograms are 892 unreliable at this time. Update-- intruding program accessing sensitive 893 data store." There was silence. "The intruding program has fled our 894 net. I am rebuilding outer ICE defense systems." 895 Hudsen turned pale. "Miranda, can you identify the data that 896 the intruder accessed?" 897 "I am also rebuilding much of my interface subprograms fbom 898 write-protected storage. I seem to have sustained a large amount of 899 damage from glitch programs released by the intruder. It may be some 900 time before I shall be able to examine the transaction log to pinpoint 901 the data accessed." 902 "Which databank? You know that, don't you?" 903 "Yes Director. It was the Analog Neural Net data store." 904 Dana walked in the office carrying a sheaf of papers. "Here is 905 the report you requested, Mark." 906 "Throw it away. Get the standby agents in here, pronto." 907 908 ::: CONTEXT SWITCH TO THREAD 02, 01 SWAPPED OUT ::: 909 910 911 912 913 A smile crossed Sem's face, just for a moment. He was out of 914 the frying pan, but now he had to deal with the fire. DiamondCutter 915 sliced across the grid lines in an instant, guiding itself around the 916 obvious traps and debris left from the run. Sem let the smile creep 917 back. It would be a long time before the ICE here would be as thick. 918 Sem felt DiamondCutter rush past the outer defense systems, their broken 919 heaps littering the cyberscape. He'd done it-- he was out. 920 Sem jacked out, thumbing the EJECT button on the console as he 921 rose out of his chair. The DiamondCutter cartridge slid out, exposing 922 gleaming gold contacts and VVLSI modules that dotted its surface. 923 924 shone the display. 925 926 Sem sighed with relief. "Ann, baby," he said, "we did it." 927 "As I knew you would," replied the dark grey cube. 928 929 ::: END CYBER-LINK: RUN TIME 00:16:21 CODED: SEMAPHORE ::: 032=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 05/13/89 00:19 Msg:3806 Call:21049 Lines:14 930 931 { 932 Half-here. I guess it will do, as I am pressed for time. 933 934 I do miss this place and all the people in it. I'm sorry that I've 935 dicqppeqred from sight, but other demands (demons?) have taken what 936 little spare time I have. 937 938 If only there was some way to quickly invest small amounts of 939 money - any ideas? 940 941 Hagbard Celine, definitely broke for cash. 942 943 } 033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/13/89 00:47 Msg:3807 Call:21050 Lines:14 944 &*&*&*&*'s 945 Hagbard, if you find a way tell me. 946 947 Money is the cause of wealth and poverty. It proves that objects are neither 948 good not evil. 949 950 No more rambling from me, I just don't seem to have much to add right now. 951 952 953 4 days to go. 954 955 An Astral Dreamer 956 &*&*&*&*'s 957 034=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/13/89 12:49 Msg:3808 Call:21057 Lines:42 958 959 Wisdom is the hardest thing to gain. If you think you have you are most likely 960 deluded. 961 962 Why is it that if somebody repeats a truth that we do not like, we accuse them 963 of repeating old and unorigional ideas? 964 965 Have you uver0noticed that if you are having an argument with somebody else 966 they will pidgeonhole you into one of their three most hated groups and argue 967 as if you actualy belong to that group? 968 969 Any political system is just a loose set of rules that those who lust for 970 power agree not to break more then 95% of the time. 971 972 Momey may not by hapiness, but it comes a heck of a lot closer then poverty. 973 974 We proclaim ourselves to be a democracy, and yet we ruthlesly put down0dhose 975 that express ideas that do not fit within the present power structure. Does 976 this make any sense? Perhaps not, but it is human nature. 977 978 Beware of hurting others. The pain must stop somewhere. 979 980 Every decision we make is a compromise. Be carefull of what you give away. 981 982 Everything is an illusion. Even this line. 983 984 The way we percieve the world is meerly a reflection of the way we percieve 985 ourselves. 986 987 To argue is to admit to caring. To sare0brings commitment. Is this why so 988 many of us are silent? 989 990 ten lines to go and then another disk will be done. What does it all mean? 991 Why? How? Three questions that are never realy answered in this life. Hopefully 992 we get a second chance to find out. 993 994 Wouldn't it be nice to know? But, I suppose we might not want to play the game 995 if we knew all of the rules. Maybe there aren't any rules. 996 997 Best wishes for a better tommorow. Fight the urge to become part of the 998 problem. There are to few trying to be the solution. 999 At the bottom, hope I don't get crushed.