2021-01-24T01:45:26 #kisslinux has anyone gotten tuitube to work? i cant get it to do anything usefull at all.. im able to search, though after manually compiling it, but no videos will play, neither am I able to add subs, or enter any channels.. is there any config im unawere of? 2021-01-24T02:45:37 #kisslinux someone should put dylan's puzzle in an escape room just to see if anyone solves it lmao 2021-01-24T02:46:05 #kisslinux or say it's a message from the zodiac killer 2021-01-24T11:17:04 #kisslinux Good morning :-) I fixed my PAM problem, but grub refuses to start. Just "GRUB loading." and then restarts. I tried reinstalling grub, even made the partitions active (though I never needed before), but to no avail :-( 2021-01-24T11:27:33 #kisslinux tracer: Did you build grub with any particular CFLAGS apart from the defaults? 2021-01-24T11:28:24 #kisslinux No, I just installed it via kiss b && kiss i like i did many times before. 2021-01-24T11:31:23 #kisslinux I had some trouble with grub stuck in a reboot loop when I first tried KISS, but it disappeared when I used the default CFLAGS rather than what I had used at the time. 2021-01-24T11:31:56 #kisslinux I'll boot into chroot and check. 2021-01-24T11:34:00 #kisslinux Both CFLAGS and CXXFLAG are set to -march=native -O3 -pipe 2021-01-24T11:34:57 #kisslinux Its like given by Dylan on the website. 2021-01-24T11:35:18 #kisslinux It's not that, then. 2021-01-24T11:35:56 #kisslinux Yes, it's strange. I was under Parallels before, now VMWare and lots of trouble … 2021-01-24T11:41:28 #kisslinux I guess you could try changing -march=native to something simpler, if you're in vmware/hardware emulation. 2021-01-24T11:42:04 #kisslinux I've not tried KISS with virtual hardware at all. 2021-01-24T11:42:53 #kisslinux OK, I'll give it a try. Strange that those problems where not occouring under parallels, but that is limited to 8GB RAM. 2021-01-24T11:46:19 #kisslinux If you just need a bootloader, and not grub specifically, you could try syslinux instead as well, if grub continues to malfunction. However, I get wanting to know why it isn't working. 2021-01-24T11:46:51 #kisslinux can you use efistub in a vm? 2021-01-24T11:47:40 #kisslinux I guess if the vm supports efi? I wouldn't know, haven't used efi in a long time. 2021-01-24T11:49:27 #kisslinux Yes another bootloader might be an option, but why the hell did it work with parallels? 2021-01-24T11:50:30 #kisslinux testuser[m]_: I have nearly no clue about EFI, my macs use it, but I don't have to tinker with it. In my VM I always had BIOS. 2021-01-24T11:53:02 #kisslinux Well, vmware and parallels would essentially be like trying to install on two different computers. There may be some differences which require some change. 2021-01-24T11:54:00 #kisslinux Have you looked for bug reports on grub use with vmware? 2021-01-24T11:55:15 #kisslinux Maybe you set the wrong path for kernel or initrd 2021-01-24T11:57:18 #kisslinux soliwilos: I already had NEON on VMware, it was working out of the box. I'm currently googling … 2021-01-24T11:58:03 #kisslinux testuser[m]_: It doesn't even come up to the menu. And I don't use initrd, kernel without modules. 2021-01-24T12:12:41 #kisslinux morning 2021-01-24T12:12:51 #kisslinux Hi claudia1 2021-01-24T12:13:09 #kisslinux In the build script for grub, the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are stripped. 2021-01-24T12:13:22 #kisslinux It does not matter anymore which one are set. https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/blob/master/core/grub/build#L13 2021-01-24T12:13:32 #kisslinux So this should be fine. 2021-01-24T12:13:59 #kisslinux Ah, thx. 2021-01-24T12:15:07 #kisslinux But i'll doublecheck if I'm using that given repo ^^ 2021-01-24T12:16:09 #kisslinux There is this install video someone made on yt. On 44:00 there is explained what can be done when encountering the "bootloop" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrd8BUbrM0U 2021-01-24T12:16:49 #kisslinux usually this is because of fstab/uuid/partuuid/'/etc/default/grub' to mention some buzzwords (: 2021-01-24T12:17:19 #kisslinux OK, I'll checkout that video. BTW, my build looks different, when the video won't help I'll rebuild grub from the KISS repo. 2021-01-24T12:18:47 #kisslinux To strip the CFLAGS, like in the vanilla repo is very important. Without that I had a bootloop aswell. After rebuild with those flags my bootloop was gone 2021-01-24T12:19:08 #kisslinux Do you have a link to the repo you are using? 2021-01-24T12:22:01 #kisslinux I'm not quite sure where I got that build script from, sorry. I'll at first rebuilt from the kiss repo. 2021-01-24T12:26:12 #kisslinux Same behaviour. Maybe I should try the efi version? 2021-01-24T12:27:14 #kisslinux Oh, i made a mistake, forgot to mount /boot in the chroot. Next try. 2021-01-24T12:31:05 #kisslinux OK, that was not the point. But I'm in the video now, he also uses VMWare and it looks exactly like my problem. 2021-01-24T12:39:24 #kisslinux It works. It was just installing grub outsie of the chroot when using vmware, thank you very much claudia1 2021-01-24T12:52:24 #kisslinux tracer: welcome. 2021-01-24T14:33:22 #kisslinux hey, question for any of you who are into old tech 2021-01-24T14:33:30 #kisslinux have you ever heard of a company called Marcus/Marconi? 2021-01-24T14:33:44 #kisslinux they made trackballs and apparently worked with the BBC in the 80s 2021-01-24T14:37:12 #kisslinux No, never head of them I think. 2021-01-24T14:37:29 #kisslinux Darn. Yeah, there's almost zero info about them online 2021-01-24T14:37:39 #kisslinux It looks like they were acquired by a company called CursorControl 2021-01-24T14:37:59 #kisslinux there's a pile of their trackballs on ebay for cheap and I want to get one or two for my collection 2021-01-24T14:39:21 #kisslinux But I have another concern. Yesterday I asked what has precedence, version number of a packe or position in the KISS_PATH. Answer was KISS_PATH. But: I just made a kiss u, and now it wants to update coreutils, the version in the kiss repo is higher than mine. Is that a bug? 2021-01-24T14:39:42 #kisslinux no 2021-01-24T14:39:56 #kisslinux kiss reads in the packages from left to right in KISS_PATH 2021-01-24T14:40:10 #kisslinux and when it detects a version change, if it's higher, it will update to that package 2021-01-24T14:40:24 #kisslinux that's how I understand it, anyways 2021-01-24T14:40:59 #kisslinux Hmm, I see kind of danger that an official update will break my modified packages. :( 2021-01-24T14:41:32 #kisslinux you can always set your custom packages to a stupidly high version number 2021-01-24T14:41:38 #kisslinux like 9999 or something 2021-01-24T14:41:58 #kisslinux add your personal repo as the first entry in kiss path 2021-01-24T14:42:21 #kisslinux you should just link version and sources to main repo and keep modified build file 2021-01-24T14:42:23 #kisslinux I have my own in the first position. moment, please 2021-01-24T14:43:00 #kisslinux man, I need to go through and switch all my personal packages to use release tarballs instead of git pulls... 2021-01-24T14:43:27 #kisslinux "I'll only package a few things" I said. "It won't be a big deal", I said. Now, 100 or so packages later... 2021-01-24T14:45:44 #kisslinux https://pastebin.24unix.net/vozp and then https://pastebin.24unix.net/kk62 2021-01-24T14:46:28 #kisslinux ah, testuser[m]_, that sounds reasonable, thx. 2021-01-24T14:48:05 #kisslinux But the problem with the link is, other people might have other repo layouts. But for the moment being it will do I guess. 2021-01-24T14:49:04 #kisslinux https://github.com/git-bruh/kiss-repo check my repo 2021-01-24T14:49:25 #kisslinux there's a symlink to the main kiss repo, and i make package symlinks to that symlink 2021-01-24T14:49:46 #kisslinux ah, ok, I see, thx. 2021-01-24T14:53:51 #kisslinux The kissD repo has an issue with symlinks, it assumes the main repo under /repo, the result is a broken symlink: /usr/bin/kiss: line 1389: $(pkg_find "${pkg##*/}")/version: No such file or directory 2021-01-24T14:54:51 #kisslinux you can symlink your main repo to /repo 2021-01-24T14:55:16 #kisslinux That violates the FHS 2021-01-24T14:55:35 #kisslinux does anyone care about the filesystem hierarchy specification any more? 2021-01-24T14:56:04 #kisslinux then you can ln -sf all the links in the kissD repo but it'll probably break when git pulling 2021-01-24T14:56:23 #kisslinux I try to keep up with it :-) On the other hand I ignore the LSB. 2021-01-24T14:56:29 #kisslinux everyone ignores the LSB 2021-01-24T14:56:42 #kisslinux shit even the people who came up with it ignore it 2021-01-24T14:56:52 #kisslinux :-) 2021-01-24T14:57:07 #kisslinux i think the only spec people actually care about following in any real capacity is posix 2021-01-24T14:58:29 #kisslinux For the moment I removed thee kissD repo from KISS_PATH, I guess the other repos have the same stuff, but it was helpful to bring up a base systems with glibc and systemd. 2021-01-24T14:59:38 #kisslinux you should just fork the packages you need from kissD and put them in your personal repo 2021-01-24T15:00:52 #kisslinux I try to use mostly upstream versions, only when they try to pull in GTK I'll need permanent forks. 2021-01-24T15:03:11 #kisslinux I just noticed I've got libressl on the system, but for QT I need openssl, will break some packages again. KISS costs a lot of time :-) 2021-01-24T15:04:48 #kisslinux i don't think qt needs openssl 2021-01-24T15:04:55 #kisslinux are you using the kiss kde repo 2021-01-24T15:05:55 #kisslinux Before the switch to vmware I already was building qt, with libressl it didn't work, with openssl it did. Yes, I want to use KISS-kde. 2021-01-24T15:07:20 #kisslinux I'll try it libressl. 2021-01-24T15:12:27 #kisslinux on the topic of libre, have any of you tried linux-libre with kiss? 2021-01-24T15:13:32 #kisslinux Never tried at all. 2021-01-24T15:33:54 #kisslinux Has anyone tried to get version for a specific upstream package from eg repology? So that on can just check wich package ar installed and if they are up to date? 2021-01-24T15:34:16 #kisslinux use `kiss outdated` 2021-01-24T15:41:39 #kisslinux Where does that check for upstream versions? 2021-01-24T15:42:30 #kisslinux Ah, it checks in repology. cool! 2021-01-24T16:28:18 #kisslinux kiss outdated is very cool :) I tried it myself two days ago, but was to stupid :-) 2021-01-24T17:05:12 #kisslinux "then you can ln -sf all the links in the kissD repo but it'll probably break when git pulling" - it breaks for me basically everytime, so I manual pull anyways :P 2021-01-24T18:07:28 #kisslinux What is the list returned by "kiss o" ? 2021-01-24T18:26:38 #kisslinux tracer: I think that is a list of orphaned packages. 2021-01-24T18:29:46 #kisslinux I just glimpsed through the code, didn't find anything useful. there is eg qt5 listet, which I built an hour ago and is inside the KISS_PATH. Ahh, it might be a fast check for outdated, as kiss-outdated states that 6.0 is available. When I'm finished with KDE I will build an MTA and check everyday for outdated packages. 2021-01-24T18:31:15 #kisslinux kiss o and kiss orphans produce the same output on my laptop. 2021-01-24T18:32:47 #kisslinux Thats strange. "grep orphans /usr/bin/kiss" yields no result. 2021-01-24T18:33:10 #kisslinux But actually works. 2021-01-24T18:33:35 #kisslinux See "kiss help-ext" 2021-01-24T18:34:48 #kisslinux Ah, that a shorthand for the external command. I guess there is much to discover in kiss in the future ^^ 2021-01-24T18:34:50 #kisslinux There's also a /usr/bin/kiss-orphans 2021-01-24T18:35:17 #kisslinux Yes, I already found those kiss-* stuff, love kiss-outdated :-) 2021-01-24T18:36:28 #kisslinux A clever way from Dylan to stay below his 1000 lines limit:-) 2021-01-24T18:38:01 #kisslinux But KISS_TMPDIR on a RAM disk is really great, performance is muss better than in the virtual disk, even although it is on a fast SSD. 2021-01-24T18:45:29 #kisslinux Like more performance. :D 2021-01-24T18:48:48 #kisslinux Could be interesting with KISS on my Librem5, but not going to try such an experiment yet. 2021-01-24T18:49:16 #kisslinux So, time to leave and take care of my wife, thanks for alle the help throughout the day. 2021-01-24T18:49:57 #kisslinux soliwilos: If it is your primary phone I wouln't dare … 2021-01-24T18:50:10 #kisslinux I've not done much, but enjoy your leisure time with her. 2021-01-24T18:50:33 #kisslinux Indeed, my old phone is really not suitable for use anymore. 2021-01-24T18:51:37 #kisslinux Originally I had intended to get two, for experimental purposes, but decided to get one and instead get the next model whenever it may land. 2021-01-24T18:52:40 #kisslinux It's pretty easy to flash it, though. I just expect it would be a lot of time going into making something other than pureos work well on it. 2021-01-24T18:53:13 #kisslinux Which would be cumbersome while trying to have a working phone at the same time. :P 2021-01-24T18:58:06 #kisslinux I don't do much with phones, experiments on the computer. I've got an ipHone, it works and that suits my needs :-) 2021-01-24T19:12:55 #kisslinux I like how easy it is to use something like yad to give a gui to cli tools, and thus get some personal apps on it. 2021-01-24T19:28:50 #kisslinux There is a pull request for kiss-orphans from me on the kiss repo btw 2021-01-24T19:29:19 #kisslinux makes it much faster, if someone uses that script a lot 2021-01-24T19:29:26 #kisslinux it's* 2021-01-24T19:31:00 #kisslinux tracer: by definition, orphans are packages which are not a dependency of another packages 2021-01-24T19:31:33 #kisslinux so packages you install manually tend to be orphans 2021-01-24T19:48:19 #kisslinux So, we decided that my wife will continue her book and I continue playing with KISS. 2021-01-24T19:49:27 #kisslinux aarng: That can not be the real truth. I geht pkgconf as orphaned, many package depend on that. 2021-01-24T19:55:09 #kisslinux aarng: What do you mean by "much faster"? It is fast "kiss o 0.20s user 0.12s system 103% cpu 0.311 total " 2021-01-24T20:01:00 #kisslinux The depends file only support names, not version, or does it? I'm just upgrading from kde 5.76 to 5.78, its try and error to find the right ones. 2021-01-24T20:09:58 #kisslinux pkgconf is just a make dep for packages 2021-01-24T20:10:16 #kisslinux kiss orphans ignores build deps, and used to ignore certain packages like musl and gcc and make 2021-01-24T20:10:32 #kisslinux but what do you mean qt5 doesn't work with libressl? 2021-01-24T20:10:47 #kisslinux thy, dilyn 2021-01-24T20:11:24 #kisslinux Two days ago I has issues with libressl, today all went smotth. Don't know what went wrong. 2021-01-24T20:13:02 #kisslinux in my experience qt5 has been very hit-or-miss so i'm not surprised :v 2021-01-24T20:15:18 #kisslinux soliwilos: I am planning to run KISS on my pinephone. That's why I've been working on crossbuilding - don't want to build packages on the phone itself, would probably melt :) 2021-01-24T20:21:14 #kisslinux tracer: the original kiss-orphans spawns a grep process for every installed package 2021-01-24T20:22:06 #kisslinux aarng: but still 0.311 second is insane fast. 2021-01-24T20:22:19 #kisslinux jedavies: Nice! Have you tried to boot it yet, or still early in the process? 2021-01-24T20:23:11 #kisslinux it won't be 0.311 for everybody though ;) 2021-01-24T20:23:36 #kisslinux fair enough, aarng, but I'm just in a VM. 2021-01-24T20:24:01 #kisslinux the program is not important enough for it to matter really 2021-01-24T20:24:22 #kisslinux that's why I said, if someone uses it A LOT, they could concider my PR 2021-01-24T20:24:45 #kisslinux consider* 2021-01-24T20:26:49 #kisslinux Has anybody access to the repo while Dylan is away? Else your PR would be dangeling forever … :-( 2021-01-24T20:27:35 #kisslinux we could always merge it into kiss-community/repo 2021-01-24T20:29:12 #kisslinux ok 2021-01-24T20:52:56 #kisslinux Target "kglobalaccel5" links to target "Qt5::X11Extras" but the target was 2021-01-24T20:52:56 #kisslinux not found 2021-01-24T20:53:02 #kisslinux Next problem :-( 2021-01-24T20:53:20 #kisslinux kiss l |grep qt5|grep extra 2021-01-24T20:53:20 #kisslinux qt5-x11extras 5.15.2 1 2021-01-24T21:04:38 #kisslinux hmhmhm 2021-01-24T21:05:06 #kisslinux kiss-manifest qt5-x11extras 2021-01-24T21:05:11 #kisslinux ? 2021-01-24T21:06:02 #kisslinux if you don't have certain X libs installed, qt5-x11extras will install sucessfully but won't actually make anything 2021-01-24T21:08:57 #kisslinux https://pastebin.24unix.net/pastebin/fiche/78qn/ 2021-01-24T21:09:07 #kisslinux I'll rebuild it and check for errors. 2021-01-24T21:10:34 #kisslinux hm, that looks like the right manifest 2021-01-24T21:10:43 #kisslinux it might just be kglobalaccel being dumb 2021-01-24T21:12:54 #kisslinux https://pastebin.24unix.net/pastebin/fiche/2jge/ 2021-01-24T21:13:22 #kisslinux But I've got xcb and libX11 2021-01-24T21:13:22 #kisslinux aha 2021-01-24T21:13:37 #kisslinux so you might have like libxcb but do you have xcb-utils-*? 2021-01-24T21:14:33 #kisslinux namely, keysyms and wm 2021-01-24T21:14:48 #kisslinux https://pastebin.24unix.net/pastebin/fiche/wc0e/ 2021-01-24T21:15:39 #kisslinux soliwilos: Right now I'm working on getting extra/ and xorg/ to cross build. Will then try porting the sxmo UI. 2021-01-24T21:17:23 #kisslinux hmmmmm 2021-01-24T21:17:34 #kisslinux dilyn: does qt use pkgconf? 2021-01-24T21:17:41 #kisslinux Think booting is not too bad on the pinephone, p-boot looks quite good 2021-01-24T21:17:53 #kisslinux not to my knowledge 2021-01-24T21:18:14 #kisslinux although you'd probably want pkgconf for most kde stuff. it DOES use cmake for dependency searching but it falls back to pkgconf 2021-01-24T21:19:00 #kisslinux ok, because for some reasons I have pkgconf and pkg-config on my system, Try to get rid of pkg-config. 2021-01-24T21:22:44 #kisslinux They are both in the manifest for pkgconf 1.7.3 2021-01-24T21:26:30 #kisslinux jedavies: what arch ist the pine? arm*anything? 2021-01-24T21:35:01 #kisslinux tracer: aarch64 2021-01-24T21:38:57 #kisslinux Thats like the Apple M1 :) Coll thing for cross-compile :) 2021-01-24T21:53:28 #kisslinux It's been some time since I tinkered with my system, I forgot some of the simplest things, which I cannot find again anywhere. I remember that I could change my KISS_PATH with the export command manually, which would make only temporary changes. Another way is to add the export command to your .profile, which changes the KISS_PATH variable when the system boots up but it works only for a single profile. Then there was another way, a system-wide option. 2021-01-24T21:53:28 #kisslinux Apparently I had used the third option but I don't remember how it was done. 2021-01-24T21:57:51 #kisslinux put a file in /etc/profile.d 2021-01-24T21:58:33 #kisslinux Yep, that one. Thanks a bunch. 2021-01-24T21:59:29 #kisslinux If you use kiss with zsh put the stuff under /etc/zsh/zprofile 2021-01-24T22:00:36 #kisslinux er, in zprofile or under zprofile.d and source it from zprofile 2021-01-24T22:01:54 #kisslinux this kglobalaccel drives me mad :-( 2021-01-24T22:07:28 #kisslinux What does "-- Could NOT find XCB_KEYSYMS (missing: XCB_KEYSYMS_LIBRARY XCB_KEYSYMS_INCLUDE_DIR) (found version "0.4.0") " mean? 2021-01-24T22:07:58 #kisslinux "pkgconf --libs xcb-keysyms " says "-lxcb-keysyms -lxcb " 2021-01-24T22:08:40 #kisslinux hmhmhm 2021-01-24T22:13:02 #kisslinux so strange 2021-01-24T22:13:42 #kisslinux i'm not sure what the problem might be :s 2021-01-24T22:44:51 #kisslinux I'm giving up for today :-( 2021-01-24T22:46:11 #kisslinux if chromium successfully builds for me today/tonight i'll try and take a closer peak at what might be going on 2021-01-24T22:46:29 #kisslinux I don't have many ideas but I have to work on the repo anyways haha. we'll figure it out! 2021-01-24T22:55:41 #kisslinux dilyn: on your static build, did you make a change to kiss to deal with how "kiss u" works? 2021-01-24T22:55:50 #kisslinux Like if e.g. something is statically linked to libcurl, and curl updates, then you want to rebuild all packages that statically linked to libcurl? 2021-01-24T22:56:56 #kisslinux no i absolutely did not haha 2021-01-24T22:57:09 #kisslinux in my mind nobody should aim for a static system unless they know something that like that is necessary 2021-01-24T22:57:31 #kisslinux ultimately doing a change like that is a more late-term goal for the project, *if* it continues 2021-01-24T22:58:58 #kisslinux honestly, if someone wanted to use KISS-static, I would just recommend Oasis. I think KISS-static is a good option for a small fully static recovery system but not much else :S 2021-01-24T22:59:16 #kisslinux Haha OK :) For glasnost was thinking of abusing the second field in the depends file to differentiate between "host dependency" and "target dependency". Though you may have done something similar with static linking. 2021-01-24T22:59:51 #kisslinux Like you could do "curl static" in the depends file, and have kiss know that it needs to rebuild the package if curl updates. 2021-01-24T23:00:12 #kisslinux But I think Dylan would hate the package manager getting more features :) 2021-01-24T23:03:06 #kisslinux if me doing something stupid to kiss is what makes dylan come back, just to stop me... 2021-01-24T23:03:07 #kisslinux xD 2021-01-24T23:18:13 #kisslinux What happens when you stop a compiling process with C-c? Can you simply continue from where it left off or are there any leftovers that need to be cleaned before running the build and install commands again? 2021-01-24T23:20:12 #kisslinux tink: you mean if you do "kiss b pkgname"? 2021-01-24T23:20:16 #kisslinux they get cleaned when kiss exits 2021-01-24T23:20:29 #kisslinux if you use ccache it'll usually pick up pretty close to where it left off, for most packages 2021-01-24T23:22:42 #kisslinux Yes, that's what I mean, jedavies. 2021-01-24T23:23:48 #kisslinux I was installing xorg but it was taking longer than I thought, so I had to stop the process. I'll install it later, was wondering whether it would resume. 2021-01-24T23:24:15 #kisslinux Because if I were to do kiss b again, I think it will start downloading the files once again. 2021-01-24T23:26:41 #kisslinux if the sources already exist in the .cache/kiss/sources dir it wont, and it will only build the dependencies left to build and install 2021-01-24T23:26:56 #kisslinux so if you already got e.g. llvm+mesa built and installed, it'll pick up after those 2021-01-24T23:27:31 #kisslinux you can export KISS_DEBUG=1 and change in that reminder in the build dir and continue. If there nothing important under /etc you can "tar xvf /root/.cache/kiss/bin/ -C /" 2021-01-24T23:28:22 #kisslinux ymmv for "/root" by the way :-( 2021-01-24T23:29:14 #kisslinux Alright, thank you. 2021-01-24T23:31:21 #kisslinux I feel like a neewb, 10 Years no Linux on the Desktop, I'm not even able to build KDE. So sad this night. 2021-01-24T23:45:50 #kisslinux KDE is a pretty big task to take on!