2021-02-21T01:32:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> phoebos: no progress here either. currently im trying to get velox to work, but I cant get velox to understand that mod key is win key, so I can launch the terminal. afaik, mod keys as usually ctrl, win ad alt keys. usually named with numbers, like mod1-3 or something like that. I tried to look at sways config, to see if I cant spot whats what, but I havent been able to make sence of it. yet anyway
2021-02-21T01:33:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/ad/or
2021-02-21T01:33:16 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sad_plan> phoebos: no progress here either. currently im trying to get velox to work, but I cant get velox to understand that mod key is win key, so I can launch the terminal. afaik, mod keys as usually ctrl, win or alt keys. usually named with numbers, like mod1-3 or something like that. I tried to look at sways config, to see if I cant spot whats what, but I havent been able
2021-02-21T01:35:20 #kisslinux <sad_plan> acheam: you should even be able to correct someone elses message aswell actually :p
2021-02-21T01:35:53 #kisslinux <acheam> s/should/might/g
2021-02-21T01:35:59 #kisslinux <acheam> are you sure about that?
2021-02-21T01:36:14 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/?/yes
2021-02-21T01:36:37 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lmao
2021-02-21T01:36:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> it have worked before anyways.
2021-02-21T01:36:56 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl, this bot is the subject of half of the conversations that happens here :)
2021-02-21T01:37:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/:)/:(
2021-02-21T01:37:46 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ive seen it work before. why isnt it working now
2021-02-21T01:37:52 #kisslinux * sad_plan aaarrgg
2021-02-21T01:46:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> anyway, if I try to edit any of the mod listings to say mod3, it just gives me an error that this modifier to does not exist. I may assume that velox does recognize the mod key (whichever key that really is), thus wont let me start a terminal. Im not that well versed into writing config files either for WM's. maybe xmonad or dwm has someting on this. seeing as velox is based off of them :
2021-02-21T01:46:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/:/:p
2021-02-21T01:46:43 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sad_plan> anyway, if I try to edit any of the mod listings to say mod3, it just gives me an error that this modifier to does not exist. I may assume that velox does recognize the mod key (whichever key that really is), thus wont let me start a terminal. Im not that well versed into writing config files either for WM's. maybe xmonad or dwm has someting on this. seeing as velox
2021-02-21T01:52:03 #kisslinux <noocsharp> sad_plan: instead of mod3 try win, theres a list of valid modifiers here: https://github.com/michaelforney/velox
2021-02-21T01:52:22 #kisslinux <noocsharp> s/win/logo
2021-02-21T01:52:23 #kisslinux <kissbot> <noocsharp> sad_plan: instead of mod3 try logo, theres a list of valid modifiers here: https://github.com/michaelforney/velox
2021-02-21T01:53:26 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I did fetch forneys sample config actually. but Ill try win instead. maybe thatll work. on sway its mod4, but yea, gave me a error as I said earlier :p
2021-02-21T01:55:00 #kisslinux <noocsharp> or alt
2021-02-21T01:55:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yup
2021-02-21T01:57:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: you made Foot in your repo to be static. no wonder I couldnt build it yesterday :p I just keep getting an error about me missing a lib file. tried to comment out those sections, but im missing libpixman-1.so appearantly
2021-02-21T01:57:10 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-02-21T02:00:28 #kisslinux <sad_plan> no dice on specifying win, and alt. win gave me same error as before. alt just didnt work
2021-02-21T02:01:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> didnt try logo though. didnt notice that. my sloppy reading slapps me in the face
2021-02-21T02:05:16 #kisslinux <sad_plan> not working with logo either.
2021-02-21T02:05:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> DylinCorner[m]: any pointers? seeing as youre the wayland pro here :p
2021-02-21T02:05:59 #kisslinux <acheam> this is why you document your damn software
2021-02-21T02:06:20 #kisslinux <sad_plan> wooooord
2021-02-21T02:07:17 #kisslinux <noocsharp> velox actually seems pretty well documented
2021-02-21T02:07:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> my words cannot express the frustration of trying to figure something out, and the documentation is just immensly horrible, or just simply not there at all. although, im sure this is the pain we have to deal with when using niche software tbh
2021-02-21T02:07:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well i guess im wrong lmao
2021-02-21T02:08:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> noocsharp: perhaps, there is some documentation, but for lesser advanced users, its not really enough. i was lucky enough to have a sample config to work out from. which im happy for, otherwise I would likely just give up altogether.
2021-02-21T02:09:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the price of niche software, as you said, i guess
2021-02-21T02:12:36 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah. I belive it took me like 3 weeks or so to boot up kiss linux on metal. VM was fine, but on metal was a whole different story.
2021-02-21T02:13:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> im not saying the documentation was.. lacking, I just couldnt comprehend alot fo the stuff. aswell as gentoo wiki telling me to use this firmware, but infact I had to use some other firmware. which made me a bit frustrated to say the least
2021-02-21T02:18:48 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yeah, documentation can be misleading sometimes. i guess we learn to distinguish the fake news from experience
2021-02-21T02:21:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> when i first started using arch, i almost gave up because i couldn't understand how to get graphics running. i had an nvidia card, nouveau would just black screen, and the nvidia driver packaging on arch was a clusterfuck. i think either its gotten a lot better since then, or ive just become better at rtfm
2021-02-21T02:31:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel like over time, you get an intuition on how to fix problems on linux. You just know where to look, what to consult, etc. I'm sure that things have also gotten better since then, but you also must have learned a lot
2021-02-21T02:45:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> true, i (if i remember correctly) had no idea about dmesg or the X11 log, or how to read either of them without a troubleshooting section on the Arch wiki. and unless the troubleshooting section is exhaustive, which is basically impossible, there's a good chance that unless you have prior experience, you're reading it wrong
2021-02-21T02:53:00 #kisslinux <acheam> DilynCorner[m]:  you planning on getting kiss-kde to 5.21?
2021-02-21T02:58:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Acheam: update will be pushed soon(tm)
2021-02-21T02:59:01 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-02-21T02:59:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Sad_plan: year my foot build is heinous it would take a bit of finicking to figure out
2021-02-21T02:59:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> s/year/yeah/
2021-02-21T02:59:23 #kisslinux <kissbot> <DilynCorner[m]> Sad_plan: yeah my foot build is heinous it would take a bit of finicking to figure out
2021-02-21T03:01:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> sad_plan: acheam: lmao, the syntax goes like this (hopefully it'll work):
2021-02-21T03:02:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> DilynCorner[m]: s/foot/hand/
2021-02-21T03:02:06 #kisslinux <kissbot> <DilynCorner[m]> Sad_plan: year my hand build is heinous it would take a bit of finicking to figure out
2021-02-21T03:02:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> tada
2021-02-21T03:02:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> username needed
2021-02-21T03:03:07 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0:  s/tada/very cool!/g
2021-02-21T03:03:16 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Your choice on velox for modifier keys are ctrl logo alt mod and shift. The default for the value of mod should be logo, so you'd expect your logo key to be the modifier
2021-02-21T03:03:19 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0:  s/username/test/g
2021-02-21T03:03:37 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> But of course to see if that's the case you'd have to see what the keysym your logo key is registered as
2021-02-21T03:03:39 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0:  s/n/go/
2021-02-21T03:03:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao that's so abusable
2021-02-21T03:04:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> necromansy: s/lmao/haha/
2021-02-21T03:04:12 #kisslinux <kissbot> <necromansy> haha that's so abusable
2021-02-21T03:04:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> uh
2021-02-21T03:04:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> I guess kissbot doesn't like the extra space
2021-02-21T03:04:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> man, at some point I'll just rewrite kissbot
2021-02-21T03:04:44 #kisslinux <acheam> s/kissbot/it/g
2021-02-21T03:04:50 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0:  s/kissbot/it/g
2021-02-21T03:04:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll get it some day
2021-02-21T03:05:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> ...without the extra space
2021-02-21T03:05:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> try without g?
2021-02-21T03:05:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> no
2021-02-21T03:05:10 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0:  s/no/yes/
2021-02-21T03:05:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> "kiedtl0: s/kissbot/it/g"
2021-02-21T03:05:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> you're putting two space between the username and expression
2021-02-21T03:05:33 #kisslinux <acheam> oh argh
2021-02-21T03:05:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> I really need to fix that
2021-02-21T03:05:38 #kisslinux <acheam> thats weechat
2021-02-21T03:05:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> or no
2021-02-21T03:05:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> kiedtl0: s/no/yes
2021-02-21T03:05:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> this channel is too quiet anyways
2021-02-21T03:05:50 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl0> or yes
2021-02-21T03:05:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> hai stahp
2021-02-21T03:06:06 #kisslinux <acheam> kissbot: s/yes/no/g
2021-02-21T03:06:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> :P
2021-02-21T03:06:19 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: s/P/p/g
2021-02-21T03:06:20 #kisslinux <kissbot> <necromansy> :p
2021-02-21T03:06:25 #kisslinux <acheam> finally!
2021-02-21T03:06:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> he got it
2021-02-21T03:06:41 #kisslinux * kiedtl0 hands acheam a gold plate
2021-02-21T03:06:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> #1
2021-02-21T03:07:01 #kisslinux * acheam kindly accepts and hangs it on the wall
2021-02-21T03:07:11 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0:  where did the 0 come from?
2021-02-21T03:08:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't remember it being there
2021-02-21T03:11:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I guess I can actually attempt to use velox and report back how to do it xD
2021-02-21T03:17:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> noocsharp: yeah. I recall also having issues with installing arch. couldnt get internet to work from time to time between reboots, couldnt get a DE to work and so on. same with artix, but opted for using lxde iso instead, before eventually formatting and reinstalling from tty. it was a great feeling finally getting it to work :p acheam: yeah, in afterthought, I must admit I did not read the appropriate documentations, which led to
2021-02-21T03:19:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: ok, so mod=winkey in this case. however, that doesnt work. I know my keyboard works atleast, as im able to switch between workplaces
2021-02-21T03:22:37 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> What's he keybond to switch workspaces?
2021-02-21T03:22:43 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: how do I see what keysym logo is? :p
2021-02-21T03:22:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> win and numbers i belive
2021-02-21T03:22:56 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> wev if you could open a terminal xD
2021-02-21T03:23:05 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> 9ther2ise you'll have to check... Gimme a sec
2021-02-21T03:23:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah that would be swell :p
2021-02-21T03:24:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Check /usr/include/xkbcommon/xkbcommon-keysyms.h; should have a list
2021-02-21T03:25:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Don't know how much that can help you tho
2021-02-21T03:25:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm
2021-02-21T03:26:31 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hm, yeah its a list alright. trying to find the win key now.
2021-02-21T03:27:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-21T03:28:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> and its a looooong list :p
2021-02-21T03:28:47 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Turns out, it's every keysym
2021-02-21T03:28:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> ;)
2021-02-21T03:29:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that doesnt really tell me anything tbh :p
2021-02-21T03:30:20 #kisslinux <sad_plan> oor do you just mean all the shift, ctls super and alt?:p
2021-02-21T03:30:28 #kisslinux <sad_plan> i found them in the list aswell
2021-02-21T03:59:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm I also cannot get anything to launch
2021-02-21T03:59:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Curious
2021-02-21T04:01:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> indeed :p
2021-02-21T04:07:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> perhaps mod has to be speficied. super does also not work either. so id assume id have to define what mod is or something
2021-02-21T04:07:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Got it
2021-02-21T04:08:03 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Close michael's st fork and install liberation-fonts
2021-02-21T04:08:17 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mod is defined in the sample conf as logo
2021-02-21T04:08:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> So logo+shift+return spawns st
2021-02-21T04:08:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I guess it didn't like my fonts, and there's something potentially stopping foot from launching on velox...
2021-02-21T04:12:56 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Opened vim, went blind. This white background is too much on the black backdrop xD
2021-02-21T04:13:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-21T04:15:01 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hihihello
2021-02-21T04:15:11 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-02-21T04:15:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> testuser_[m]: o
2021-02-21T04:15:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam: Oh, I added it as a joke after kline0 dropped the 0 from their nick
2021-02-21T04:16:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> I need a more original username, I guess
2021-02-21T04:16:06 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol
2021-02-21T04:16:15 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> there
2021-02-21T04:16:18 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> better
2021-02-21T04:16:54 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao
2021-02-21T04:16:55 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: im using foot for wayland rly, but I can just as much build his st fork instead. i already have liberation fonts aswell
2021-02-21T04:18:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Then you should find your problem quickly resolved!
2021-02-21T04:18:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> My only question is why I can't launch velox as nonroot :x urgh
2021-02-21T04:18:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Don't want to investigate this lmao
2021-02-21T04:18:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> re irc logs, the Python sem_open issue happens when the user you're building with doesn't have write access to /dev/shm, probably forgot to mount it in chroot
2021-02-21T04:18:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> i launch it as non-root though :p
2021-02-21T04:22:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oh that makes sense
2021-02-21T04:22:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nope, still wont launch anything at all...
2021-02-21T04:22:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-02-21T04:28:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: it seems velox did not like foot at all. nor bemenu for that matter. I was able to launch his st build now
2021-02-21T04:29:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah there's probably something missing that I can't be bothered to figure out rn
2021-02-21T04:29:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It could be... Many things
2021-02-21T04:29:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> What happens if you launch foot from st?
2021-02-21T04:33:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> uh. i havent tried. lemme go back to velox. im on sowm again, because im really unfamiliar with that kind of setup. also velox crashed on me. I also need to change key layout, as mine not english :p
2021-02-21T04:36:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> foot gives me an error actually
2021-02-21T04:37:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> wl_data_device_manager: need interface version 3, but compositor only implements 2
2021-02-21T04:38:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> wl_seat need v 5 but compositor only implements 4
2021-02-21T04:38:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> also no clipboard available. just buildt wl-clipboard btw
2021-02-21T05:11:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> DilynCorner: probably not really something you can answer, but the qt5-webengine package in your KDE repo seems to error out on "'webengine-system-ninja' was enabled, but the precondition 'test.webengine-ninja' failed"
2021-02-21T05:11:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> at least for me
2021-02-21T05:18:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Urgh
2021-02-21T05:19:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> itd be something on my end i bet, some wires crossed somewhere
2021-02-21T05:19:53 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Can you build the one in community?
2021-02-21T05:20:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah some issue
2021-02-21T05:20:11 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm
2021-02-21T05:20:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> *same
2021-02-21T05:22:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Qt will always haunt me
2021-02-21T05:22:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> i'm pre tempted to just dump wayland for now and go backt to X11
2021-02-21T05:23:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I don't think anyone would blame you :v
2021-02-21T05:26:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> probably not no, shame tho, seems kinda neat
2021-02-21T05:27:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It'd be pretty annoying for me to switch back at this point xD
2021-02-21T05:28:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> One day people will decide wayland should be the default, and then Xorg will disappear. And then everyone on KISS will have to deal with the change. Rip
2021-02-21T05:28:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> tbf for me, i got most of what i needed working short of a browser
2021-02-21T05:29:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i kinda need that browser for outlook
2021-02-21T05:29:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> :2021-02-21T05:29:37 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mhm
2021-02-21T05:29:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Browsers suck
2021-02-21T05:29:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> oo yeah
2021-02-21T12:22:49 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Has anyone tried to build firefox 86 beta?
2021-02-21T12:24:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> not me atleast, but why ?
2021-02-21T12:25:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Curious if they've finally dropped gtk2 dep in it.
2021-02-21T12:26:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> according to the git mirror of mozilla-central, no
2021-02-21T12:26:47 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Oh well.
2021-02-21T12:26:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gecko-dev*
2021-02-21T12:26:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev
2021-02-21T12:27:04 #kisslinux <tracer> They will never drop it :-)
2021-02-21T12:27:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the patch has been fixed btw
2021-02-21T12:27:43 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Ah, nice.
2021-02-21T12:28:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe when the patches from the wayland issue on bugzilla, gtk2 will be dropped but not sure if X11 builds will still require it
2021-02-21T12:28:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/,/, are merged
2021-02-21T12:28:37 #kisslinux <kissbot> <testuser_[m]> maybe when the patches from the wayland issue on bugzilla, are merged gtk2 will be dropped but not sure if X11 builds will still require it
2021-02-21T12:31:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i don't think it's gonna be anytime soon though
2021-02-21T12:31:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> considering that autoconf2.13 is still required
2021-02-21T12:31:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well atleast it doesn't take 8 hours to build
2021-02-21T12:40:17 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If only there was a no-rust.patch :p
2021-02-21T12:42:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well with sccache a rebuild takes 2 mins, let's see how much time it saves on updates
2021-02-21T13:15:38 #kisslinux <cdcode> what's the command to change the TTY keyboard layout?
2021-02-21T13:16:44 #kisslinux <soliwilos> loadkeys?
2021-02-21T13:17:31 #kisslinux <cdcode> tried that but it's not found on my installation, do I need to install a package?
2021-02-21T13:19:36 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I don't have it on my kiss system either, but on gentoo it's in it's own package named kbd.
2021-02-21T13:21:03 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Apparently from here: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kbd/
2021-02-21T13:23:48 #kisslinux <cdcode> I searched for all packages containing 'key' and found bkeymaps. Doesn't contain loadkeys but instead gives you a command called loadkmap which does the same thing, so problem solved
2021-02-21T13:28:53 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Nice. :)
2021-02-21T13:51:42 #kisslinux <tracer^afk> loadkeys in in kbd package
2021-02-21T14:32:47 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> sad_plan: didn't see your messages about the foot errors until now. Yeah, makes sense it isn't launching; velox doesn't have the things foot needs. Rip
2021-02-21T14:33:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> That's the problem with wayland - every compositor is different and your not necessarily guaranteed the same things between compositors.
2021-02-21T14:34:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah, I see. no problem. Im using forneys st build anyway, and that works on both sway, and velox
2021-02-21T14:34:51 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, I noticecd. velox wont recognize my variable in /etc/environment to set my keyboard layout, sway on the other hand, does
2021-02-21T14:35:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Dilyn Corner: so you've abandoned irc ?
2021-02-21T14:35:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It was good of him to fork at so you could do that (:
2021-02-21T14:35:48 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Say what now testuser_:
2021-02-21T14:36:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Do you know I'm using matrix :o
2021-02-21T14:36:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I also cant seem to start firefox. ive set the MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1, but no. still wont hsut up about it cant open the display :c
2021-02-21T14:36:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, it was. I saw he had a dmenu build aswell. i cloned its repo, but havent tried it yet anyway
2021-02-21T14:36:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Also had that problem with firefox
2021-02-21T14:36:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sad_plan install chromium :p
2021-02-21T14:36:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yes we do know you use matrix, or rathe element. you told us :o
2021-02-21T14:37:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> testuser: nah, I like ff better tbh. more tweaks and stuff
2021-02-21T14:37:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: im using matrix too, and on irc we show up as [m]
2021-02-21T14:37:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> altough Im tempted to try it. i do however, want ungoogled chromium instead though
2021-02-21T14:37:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the one in repo is ungoogled
2021-02-21T14:38:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i was just saying it cuz it doesn't need xlibs with wayland
2021-02-21T14:38:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice. I thought it was just regular chromium
2021-02-21T14:38:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> i see
2021-02-21T14:38:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i wouldnt let anyone use an un-ungoogled chromium!
2021-02-21T14:38:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> good to hear C:
2021-02-21T14:39:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I might check it out once I get my new disk next week. have to reinstall everything anyway, so I dont see why not
2021-02-21T14:39:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I see I should have hidden myself better; my phone's name on IRC used be to dilynm. Should've inserted []
2021-02-21T14:39:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Chromium is pretty tight and works flawlessly on wayland
2021-02-21T14:40:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw try https://gitlab.com/famedly/fluffychat if you use matrix on your phone
2021-02-21T14:40:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i find it less buggy than element, and overall smoother
2021-02-21T14:40:55 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: yeah. but didnt you disable the sandbox aswell?
2021-02-21T14:41:31 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I also had issues with element. I do use revolutionirc instead on my phone though
2021-02-21T14:43:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> holy shit dylin. you have a loooot of patches for chromium in your kiss-me repo. lol
2021-02-21T14:44:20 #kisslinux <konimex> <testuser_[m] "dilyn: im using matrix too, and "> though if the [m] is annoying we can always change the irc nickname
2021-02-21T14:44:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I stole the ungoogle patches because some just refused to work without gnupatch
2021-02-21T14:45:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> isn't there some more feature complete patch that isnt gnu ?
2021-02-21T14:45:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Used to use revolutionirc. Element is pretty buggy; it constantly shows me a 'show first unread message' banner, which scrolls me back to basically the beginning of time
2021-02-21T14:45:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> konimex: yeah thats true
2021-02-21T14:45:37 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Apparently there ISNT
2021-02-21T14:45:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Nobody fuzzes like gnu
2021-02-21T14:45:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nothing from bsd's either?
2021-02-21T14:46:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I see. :p
2021-02-21T14:46:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> busybox patch works fine for me though
2021-02-21T14:46:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> for those patches
2021-02-21T14:47:06 #kisslinux <sad_plan> is there any particular reason you have all those patches, and they not being in community? not needed? or did dylin just wanted to patch the heck out of chromium? :p
2021-02-21T14:47:40 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> They're all from ungoogled-chromium
2021-02-21T14:48:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yes, but you have alot more than those in community repo
2021-02-21T14:48:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ideally I'd just apply the patches from that source, but I had to modify 4 of them to work with toybox patch.
2021-02-21T14:48:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they're taken from the ungoogled tarball
2021-02-21T14:48:39 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I was just curious as to why you needed like 100 pathces, and community has half that or something
2021-02-21T14:48:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I didn't feel like patching the patches, so I just copied them over. I'll find a more clean solution, probably.
2021-02-21T14:48:58 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Community's patches are hidden in on of the sources
2021-02-21T14:49:17 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> All the 00* patches are applied by one of the python lines in community's build file
2021-02-21T14:49:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> there's the gcc patchset in community sources which adds 10+ over the existing 18 ones
2021-02-21T14:51:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: how's s6?
2021-02-21T14:53:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> thats still less than half of what dylin has, which is around 60 :p
2021-02-21T14:54:53 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zfXqlIBJTqRsUyCyDDqzrTKU/message.txt >
2021-02-21T14:55:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> S6... Haven't even noticed it! I gotta play around with it some more soon
2021-02-21T14:57:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> soo, theyre just not listed in the actual repo then. but thats insane. 110+ patches
2021-02-21T14:57:26 #kisslinux <sad_plan> but is still chromeium running without the sandbox? iirc one of you mentioned that earlier
2021-02-21T14:57:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Takes a lot to ungoogle chromium (:
2021-02-21T14:57:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I fixed my sandbox issues
2021-02-21T14:57:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I figured:p
2021-02-21T14:57:48 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice!
2021-02-21T15:07:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tfw .cache/ccache is 3x the size of /usr
2021-02-21T15:13:39 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Busybox update fails here: http://ix.io/2QdH
2021-02-21T15:15:06 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Somewhat weird, that warning message was output a lot of times.
2021-02-21T15:18:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> are you using any KISS alternatives related to building ? it builds fine for me in my musl chroots
2021-02-21T15:19:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> send the full log aswell
2021-02-21T15:20:37 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I've had some trouble before due to sbase and ubase, maybe now as well.
2021-02-21T15:34:17 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I had to edit out a ton of the identical warning lines, was too big for ix, but otherwise full log here: http://ix.io/2QdZ
2021-02-21T15:35:18 #kisslinux <tracer^afk> If oyu need paste pastebin longer tuff, even images, my pasetin is working again, icl. shortening option: pastebin.24unix.net
2021-02-21T15:36:15 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Nice.
2021-02-21T15:37:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> include/embedded_scripts.h:14:1: error: expected '}' before numeric constant
2021-02-21T15:39:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think this file is generated cuz doesn't seem present in tarball, so maybe sbase messes up generation
2021-02-21T15:54:36 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Indeed, reverting to busybox and the build completed.
2021-02-21T15:56:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-21T16:09:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Can you find out which program is causing it to fail
2021-02-21T16:11:59 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Oof, that would be ideal.
2021-02-21T16:12:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> most likely sed would be my guess
2021-02-21T16:12:40 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Currently updating more stuff, I can try it out later.
2021-02-21T16:13:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk but maybe the is the generation script
2021-02-21T16:13:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/mirror/busybox/blob/master/scripts/embedded_scripts
2021-02-21T16:14:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I would also guess sed :v
2021-02-21T16:15:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> easy test is kiss a sbase /usr/bin/sed; kiss b busybox. Wait two minutes, tell us we're right lmfao
2021-02-21T16:16:24 #kisslinux <soliwilos> :p
2021-02-21T16:18:14 #kisslinux <soliwilos> As far as I can see, there is no sed in sbase or ubase.
2021-02-21T16:19:19 #kisslinux <soliwilos> At least looking through my kiss a sbase/ubase right now.
2021-02-21T16:20:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> then grep or awk ?
2021-02-21T16:20:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk what else would cause failures
2021-02-21T16:23:38 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Changed to sbase grep, but build still completed.
2021-02-21T16:23:51 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Must be something else.
2021-02-21T16:28:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> for i in $(kiss a | grep sbase); do
2021-02-21T16:28:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss a "$i"; kiss b busybox || break
2021-02-21T16:28:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> done
2021-02-21T16:28:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you can probably use while read also but i find this faster to type
2021-02-21T16:37:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I feel like I ran into this using uutils
2021-02-21T16:37:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I probably have it written done somewhere in my commit history
2021-02-21T16:46:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/commit/38c0b72752f617a391d3bba21a3ce51c66835a44 ?
2021-02-21T16:56:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> By the way, sbase tar causes an extraction problem: "tar: unsupported tar-filetype L"
2021-02-21T16:57:53 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Saw it now with more busybox build-testing.
2021-02-21T17:03:55 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> testuser_: nah that ain't it. It would explicitly mention busybox
2021-02-21T17:04:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Never did figure out that strange basename problem tho
2021-02-21T17:12:20 #kisslinux <noocsharp> felt cute, might delete later: https://git.nihaljere.xyz/nkiss/log.html
2021-02-21T17:22:12 #kisslinux <acheam> is this a package manager?
2021-02-21T17:22:38 #kisslinux <acheam> there are literally 0 comments, or readme, or description :)
2021-02-21T17:22:48 #kisslinux <noocsharp> very very wip, yes
2021-02-21T17:22:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> :o
2021-02-21T17:22:54 #kisslinux <acheam> very cool!
2021-02-21T17:22:58 #kisslinux <acheam> built off of K or no?
2021-02-21T17:23:17 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The absolute madness of this lad
2021-02-21T17:23:32 #kisslinux <acheam> the maddest of lads
2021-02-21T17:23:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> from scratch, i figured it would take me longer to understand what dylan did than just start fresh
2021-02-21T17:23:38 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-21T17:23:56 #kisslinux <noocsharp> and my git commits are actually explanatory
2021-02-21T17:24:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> F
2021-02-21T17:24:24 #kisslinux <acheam> understandable git commits? That's it, you're not part of KISS anymore
2021-02-21T17:24:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice noocsharp
2021-02-21T17:25:10 #kisslinux <noocsharp> lmao, its funny how pedantic dylan was about repo commits, but when it came to the website and k...
2021-02-21T17:25:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> push
2021-02-21T17:25:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> "update"
2021-02-21T17:26:09 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp:  does your website have an RSS Feed?
2021-02-21T17:26:46 #kisslinux <tracer^afk> noocsharp: Are you rewriting kiss in C?
2021-02-21T17:26:57 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: ive been meaning to add one forever, but alas
2021-02-21T17:27:03 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer^afk:  wouldn't be the first, and certainly won't be the last
2021-02-21T17:27:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> tracer: yes
2021-02-21T17:27:47 #kisslinux <tracer> Do you keep the package format or will you include versioned dependencies?
2021-02-21T17:27:58 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp:  that's a shame, you have some interesting posts I'd love to keep track of
2021-02-21T17:28:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> versioned dependencies like gentoo ?
2021-02-21T17:28:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> foo requires bar >= 0.x.y
2021-02-21T17:28:22 #kisslinux <acheam> pip does that too
2021-02-21T17:28:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that's yikes
2021-02-21T17:28:31 #kisslinux <noocsharp> same package format
2021-02-21T17:28:51 #kisslinux <tracer> Ne, just like packet +1.23.  The make stuff is unneeded imho, but a version is important.
2021-02-21T17:29:05 #kisslinux <acheam> also, +1 for obsd, noocsharp
2021-02-21T17:30:01 #kisslinux <jedavies> noocsharp: good stuff!
2021-02-21T17:31:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> my only problem obsd httpd is that it can't redirect http to https with the Upgrade-Request header
2021-02-21T17:32:21 #kisslinux <noocsharp> might have to switch to quark when its ready
2021-02-21T17:34:08 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I actually noticed that on your site. Can you setup a generic redirct from http://nihaljere.xyz to https://nihaljere.xyz?
2021-02-21T17:34:21 #kisslinux <acheam> just as a whole other directive
2021-02-21T17:36:23 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i could, but i still want it to be accessible via http
2021-02-21T17:39:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> imo it should be on the browser/user to use https if they want
2021-02-21T17:41:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't know of any browser that doesn't support https, or at least know how to ignore it. And why would a user not want to use HTTPS?
2021-02-21T17:44:40 #kisslinux <noocsharp> idk, but on the off-chance that they don't, my website is still accessible. but i should get a webserver that responds to Upgrade-Request
2021-02-21T17:45:30 #kisslinux <acheam> If youre shopping for a webserver, I like Caddy, although it isn't super suckless
2021-02-21T17:46:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Caddy is 🅱️loat but suuper easy to use
2021-02-21T17:48:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> real KISS users use busybox httpd
2021-02-21T17:48:50 #kisslinux <acheam> why tf does busybox even have an httpd
2021-02-21T17:49:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it has a ton of extra stuff that you can enable
2021-02-21T17:49:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so you won't need anything else
2021-02-21T17:50:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> im just gonna wait for a quark release and write an upgrade-insecure-requests patch for it probably
2021-02-21T17:50:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> that way i can dogfood tlsrp
2021-02-21T17:52:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> we should probably mention nkiss and king somewhere on the site, even if they're not usable yet
2021-02-21T17:52:47 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  open an issue on the GH or make a PR
2021-02-21T18:05:04 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Busybox is meant for embedded devices so httpd makes sense
2021-02-21T18:07:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: btw what flag drops the libgcrypt dep in chromium?
2021-02-21T18:07:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and does it break any stuff
2021-02-21T18:09:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh i think it isn't even a dep
2021-02-21T18:15:16 #kisslinux <dgre> salute
2021-02-21T18:18:29 #kisslinux <acheam> just got an old thinkpad, and not sure whether to put kiss or obsd on it....
2021-02-21T18:18:36 #kisslinux <dgre> well
2021-02-21T18:18:41 #kisslinux <dgre> do you prefer linux to bsd ^_^
2021-02-21T18:19:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, I know KISS pretty well at this point, and I wan't to expiriment with OBSD, but it would be nice to have a dedicated KISS machine
2021-02-21T18:19:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> testuser_: there's no flag; afaict dropping it means the profile stuff isn't encrypted and some sites break (can't login to tutsnots or stream twitch, for instance)
2021-02-21T18:19:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You could do both :o
2021-02-21T18:20:22 #kisslinux <dgre> Btw
2021-02-21T18:20:38 #kisslinux <dgre> I just booted in my KISS system after a month or so
2021-02-21T18:20:43 #kisslinux <dgre> I haven't changed my repositories yet
2021-02-21T18:20:48 #kisslinux <dgre> How can I do the swap?
2021-02-21T18:21:10 #kisslinux <dgre> I have due to actually learn git :S
2021-02-21T18:21:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> just add them to your kiss_path like you added the official repos
2021-02-21T18:21:12 #kisslinux <acheam> just change the origin remote
2021-02-21T18:21:42 #kisslinux <dgre> O.K
2021-02-21T18:21:49 #kisslinux <acheam> `git remote set-url origin https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main`
2021-02-21T18:21:51 #kisslinux <sad_plan> and remove dylans, or comment them out, so kiss is using those instead of dylans
2021-02-21T18:21:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> or that
2021-02-21T18:26:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan>  acheam: that was actually a way better solution. means one wont have to add the actuall kiss-community repo. nice
2021-02-21T18:27:05 #kisslinux <acheam> sad_plan:  git is great :)
2021-02-21T18:28:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> indeed it is. im still learning, but yeah. I like it :D
2021-02-21T18:28:31 #kisslinux <dgre> thanks :D
2021-02-21T18:28:38 #kisslinux <dgre> also, gtk+2 got readded?
2021-02-21T18:28:51 #kisslinux <dgre> does this mean I can port https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser at last?
2021-02-21T18:30:20 #kisslinux <dgre> I saw this in the merge
2021-02-21T18:30:30 #kisslinux <dgre>  create mode 100644 extra/gtk+2/checksums
2021-02-21T18:30:30 #kisslinux <dgre>  create mode 100644 extra/gtk+2/depends
2021-02-21T18:30:30 #kisslinux <dgre>  create mode 100644 extra/gtk+2/sources
2021-02-21T18:30:30 #kisslinux <dgre>  create mode 100644 extra/gtk+2/version
2021-02-21T18:32:18 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Iirc it was because people had issues with the gtk2 firefox patch
2021-02-21T18:32:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> If you port web browser you shouldn't submit it to community :v
2021-02-21T18:32:38 #kisslinux <dgre> What about the guidestones?
2021-02-21T18:33:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> That's precisely why
2021-02-21T18:33:10 #kisslinux <dgre> I'm sure you are aware of the million shortcomings of Firefox
2021-02-21T18:34:07 #kisslinux <dgre> * Avoid the next new shiny thing until or unless certain that it brings real   improvements over what it is intended to replace.
2021-02-21T18:34:15 #kisslinux <dgre> GTK3 > GTK2?
2021-02-21T18:34:25 #kisslinux <dgre> Hell, GTK4 > GTK3 > GTK2?
2021-02-21T18:35:28 #kisslinux <dgre> Firefox is a privacy nightmare, if you really want to stick to [[[modern web]]], why not use Librewolf AT LEAST?
2021-02-21T18:35:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gtk2 hasnt been readded, ff patch was fixed
2021-02-21T18:36:06 #kisslinux <dgre> Firefox is a worse Chromium at this point
2021-02-21T18:36:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> + i would refrain from using potentially insecure and out of date fork of ff
2021-02-21T18:36:13 #kisslinux <dgre> Well
2021-02-21T18:36:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> iust harden it yourself or ungoogled chromium
2021-02-21T18:36:23 #kisslinux <dgre> But I see it in wyverkiss
2021-02-21T18:36:31 #kisslinux <dgre> Hardened Firefox uber alles?
2021-02-21T18:36:38 #kisslinux <tracer^afk> While you mention Fx, my browser becomes more and more usable :)
2021-02-21T18:36:48 #kisslinux <dgre> Yours?
2021-02-21T18:36:52 #kisslinux <dgre> Are you making a browser?
2021-02-21T18:36:58 #kisslinux <dgre> > + i would refrain from using potentially insecure and out of date fork of ff
2021-02-21T18:37:03 #kisslinux <dgre> Librewolf = outdated?
2021-02-21T18:37:14 #kisslinux <tracer^afk> Yap. I'm into pure QT, no GTK on my system, and all QT browser suck.
2021-02-21T18:38:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well they cant instantly rebase to newest ff....
2021-02-21T18:38:34 #kisslinux <tracer^afk> I currently have movable tabs, can play YT, and the stripped binary is below 500MB.
2021-02-21T18:38:49 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer:  what's the engine?
2021-02-21T18:38:57 #kisslinux <tracer> QTWebengine
2021-02-21T18:39:10 #kisslinux <acheam> oh okay
2021-02-21T18:39:48 #kisslinux <tracer> Well everybody except Safari and Fx use Blink. It's a good engine.
2021-02-21T18:40:05 #kisslinux <acheam> it may be a good engine, but it gives Google a browser monopoly
2021-02-21T18:40:09 #kisslinux <acheam> which I am vehemently against
2021-02-21T18:40:55 #kisslinux <tracer> Currently I'm into detaching tabs, moving them to other windows. Then there will be history, maybe bookmarks. And I think about Bitwarden for PW-Management.
2021-02-21T18:41:19 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the goal here?
2021-02-21T18:41:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tracer whys the binary 500mb?
2021-02-21T18:41:40 #kisslinux <tracer> I don't like Google too, but hey, it's OSS, everybody can check what it does.
2021-02-21T18:41:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> fully static ?
2021-02-21T18:42:27 #kisslinux <dgre> tracer: yes, check 2 digit GBs of source code
2021-02-21T18:42:30 #kisslinux <dgre> i'm sure you will be able to audit it
2021-02-21T18:42:38 #kisslinux <dgre> Let me get this straight
2021-02-21T18:42:48 #kisslinux <dgre> The distribution circles around what firefox needs to be built pretty much
2021-02-21T18:42:58 #kisslinux <acheam> sure you can check what it does, but it also gives google control over what goes into the web or not. They can decide to create all new standards, abandon old ones, at their will. They're already doing it, see WebUSB
2021-02-21T18:43:03 #kisslinux <dgre> If it suddenly requires [insert redhat cancer], you go ahead and add it
2021-02-21T18:43:08 #kisslinux <tracer> Beecause I'm stupid :-) It' 5.8. MB, 421.6kb stripped. I mixed the units :-)
2021-02-21T18:43:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-02-21T18:43:26 #kisslinux <dgre> You are being led around by mozilla
2021-02-21T18:43:38 #kisslinux <dgre> Why not switch to webbrowser, which is more stable
2021-02-21T18:43:48 #kisslinux <dgre> And stop this cat and the mouse game with firefox
2021-02-21T18:44:32 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll use whatever platform isn't google, and protects my privacy. Right now, that's only firefox, because I can use all my privacy and anti-fingerprinting extensions on it
2021-02-21T18:44:43 #kisslinux <dgre> Except firefox IS google
2021-02-21T18:45:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ff isnt really good out of the box acheam
2021-02-21T18:45:09 #kisslinux <tracer> Mozilla loses more and more customers, so it gets less and less money from Google. Fx is history in my eyes.
2021-02-21T18:45:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't use it out of the box
2021-02-21T18:45:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I have a heavily hardened config
2021-02-21T18:45:39 #kisslinux <acheam> and I'll keep using firefox as long as its secure too
2021-02-21T18:45:44 #kisslinux <acheam> s/too/to
2021-02-21T18:45:45 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> and I'll keep using firefox as long as its secure to
2021-02-21T18:46:02 #kisslinux <acheam> it's got a few more years of life in it
2021-02-21T18:46:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-21T18:46:06 #kisslinux <acheam> even if it is diying
2021-02-21T18:46:15 #kisslinux <dgre> Well
2021-02-21T18:46:21 #kisslinux <dgre> Do you think modern browsers are secure?
2021-02-21T18:46:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i just use ungoogled chromium cuz its quite fun to package
2021-02-21T18:46:26 #kisslinux <dgre> At least very secure at all?
2021-02-21T18:46:31 #kisslinux <acheam> no they're not secure
2021-02-21T18:46:31 #kisslinux <dgre> You know
2021-02-21T18:46:35 #kisslinux <dgre> The codebase is bigger than Linux
2021-02-21T18:46:49 #kisslinux <acheam> I never said I like the web, but its a necesary evil in 2021
2021-02-21T18:46:53 #kisslinux <dgre> It's masochism at this point
2021-02-21T18:47:01 #kisslinux <dgre> acheam: webbrowser handles it very very well
2021-02-21T18:47:18 #kisslinux <dgre> I can use all the google sites
2021-02-21T18:47:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what makes this fork of a fork of firefox so great ?
2021-02-21T18:47:44 #kisslinux <dgre> hardened out of the box
2021-02-21T18:47:53 #kisslinux <dgre> you dont need to change any settings
2021-02-21T18:48:05 #kisslinux <dgre> just add some addons and off you go
2021-02-21T18:48:10 #kisslinux <acheam> Nobody in this channel is the kind of person to just run with defaults, you know
2021-02-21T18:48:18 #kisslinux <acheam> there is a reason we are here :)
2021-02-21T18:48:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm yeah thats a nice to have
2021-02-21T18:48:23 #kisslinux <dgre> No, but I mean
2021-02-21T18:48:26 #kisslinux <dgre> It has ZERO spyware by default
2021-02-21T18:48:26 #kisslinux <acheam> what addons does it support?
2021-02-21T18:48:30 #kisslinux <dgre> No unsolicited requests
2021-02-21T18:48:36 #kisslinux <dgre> It supports old firefox addons
2021-02-21T18:48:38 #kisslinux <dgre> And UXP addons
2021-02-21T18:48:41 #kisslinux <dgre> And another type of addons
2021-02-21T18:48:43 #kisslinux <dgre> I forgot the name
2021-02-21T18:48:53 #kisslinux <dgre> But you can use all the stuff you will need
2021-02-21T18:48:54 #kisslinux <acheam> okay, to humor you, i'm installing it now
2021-02-21T18:48:59 #kisslinux <dgre> Btw
2021-02-21T18:49:02 #kisslinux <dgre> There is no binary
2021-02-21T18:49:02 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll see how I like it
2021-02-21T18:49:08 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm using the AUR package
2021-02-21T18:49:13 #kisslinux <dgre> Oh, you are on arch
2021-02-21T18:49:18 #kisslinux <dgre> That was packaged by a friend on XMPP acheam
2021-02-21T18:49:19 #kisslinux <acheam> on this machine, yes
2021-02-21T18:49:27 #kisslinux <dgre> ^_^
2021-02-21T18:49:30 #kisslinux <dgre> Anyway, yeah
2021-02-21T18:49:32 #kisslinux <acheam> oof I don't want to install python2
2021-02-21T18:49:35 #kisslinux <dgre> Try it out
2021-02-21T18:49:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw no one is stopping you from packaging it yourself + gtk2
2021-02-21T18:49:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> in a personal repo
2021-02-21T18:49:45 #kisslinux <dgre> Of course
2021-02-21T18:50:03 #kisslinux <acheam> this looks like a PITA to compile, not gonna lie
2021-02-21T18:50:16 #kisslinux <dgre> Not even close to Firefox
2021-02-21T18:51:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it needs me to build gcc9 from source...
2021-02-21T18:51:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-02-21T18:51:37 #kisslinux <dgre> Because arch is on gcc10
2021-02-21T18:51:41 #kisslinux <dgre> Barely anyone else is
2021-02-21T18:51:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf
2021-02-21T18:52:02 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of distros are on gcc 10
2021-02-21T18:52:15 #kisslinux <dgre> And have a gcc9 package
2021-02-21T18:53:43 #kisslinux <tracer> Debian is on 8 :-)
2021-02-21T18:53:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> stable tm
2021-02-21T18:53:57 #kisslinux <dgre> And i compiled webbrowser on debian ^_^
2021-02-21T18:54:00 #kisslinux <acheam> backports FTW
2021-02-21T18:54:30 #kisslinux <tracer> I have a Debian NAS with BP kernel and OpenZFS. I like it.
2021-02-21T18:54:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I mean the distribution was designed so that everything in the main repository would get an average user to a usable desktop and browser. The default browser is Firefox because... Well, Dylan chose it, and you don't have many choices - chromium was not fun to package, ff is way easier.
2021-02-21T18:55:11 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> If Firefox destroys their already bad alsa support, it would probably get dropped
2021-02-21T18:55:23 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> If Firefox required some redhat cancer, it would probably get dropped
2021-02-21T18:55:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Of course, patches would first be tried
2021-02-21T18:56:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> If that failed, the 'default' would be something like chromium. If that became impossible, MAYBE webbrowser. Maybe we recommend chroots to use a browser xD
2021-02-21T18:56:37 #kisslinux <dgre> cat extra/firefox/patches/* | wc -l
2021-02-21T18:56:37 #kisslinux <dgre> 105
2021-02-21T18:56:39 #kisslinux <dgre> -_-
2021-02-21T18:57:07 #kisslinux <dgre> cat extra/firefox/depends | wc -l
2021-02-21T18:57:07 #kisslinux <dgre> 51
2021-02-21T18:57:09 #kisslinux <dgre> -_-
2021-02-21T18:57:19 #kisslinux <dgre> im sure i dont need to do cat | wc -l
2021-02-21T18:57:21 #kisslinux <dgre> and im being stupid
2021-02-21T18:57:33 #kisslinux <dgre> just wc -l file
2021-02-21T18:57:34 #kisslinux <dgre> lol
2021-02-21T18:57:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont think this webbrowser thing cuts down on anything other than rust ?
2021-02-21T18:58:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and gtk2 instead of 3
2021-02-21T18:58:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Plus gcc9
2021-02-21T18:58:26 #kisslinux <tracer> abuse of cat. Happens to many people. cat somthing|grep :-)
2021-02-21T18:58:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-02-21T18:58:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's basically screaming 'will never be in repo/extra'
2021-02-21T18:58:41 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Kill the cats
2021-02-21T18:59:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> http://porkmail.org/era/unix/award.html
2021-02-21T18:59:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe we'll make everyone return to lynx if ff becomes even more non KISS :p
2021-02-21T19:00:20 #kisslinux <dgre> I use xlinks
2021-02-21T19:01:41 #kisslinux <acheam> currently comparing gnome web, midori, vimb, and luakit
2021-02-21T19:02:05 #kisslinux <dgre> ahh luakit
2021-02-21T19:04:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> for some reasons all the webkit browsers i tried to package would just get stuck on loading basic js
2021-02-21T19:05:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe something with the webkit package
2021-02-21T19:07:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i tried epiphany, lariza, badwolf, vimb
2021-02-21T19:07:34 #kisslinux <tracer> Did you try one with QtWebengine?
2021-02-21T19:07:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> for some reason js would load if i added the flag to DISABLE js in the lariza source code
2021-02-21T19:07:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont like qt, too fat
2021-02-21T19:08:26 #kisslinux <tracer> Fair enough. I don't like GTK. Too ugly, too C. :-)
2021-02-21T19:09:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont even need a gui toolkit tbh, only have gtk installed cuz its a dependency for chromium
2021-02-21T19:09:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or firefox
2021-02-21T19:09:47 #kisslinux <tracer> Everybody has other needs. Thats fine with KISS :)
2021-02-21T19:10:13 #kisslinux <tracer> Er, Chromium has no dependency against GTK.
2021-02-21T19:10:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i tried building without but it segfaulted
2021-02-21T19:10:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but it works for dilyn, lol
2021-02-21T19:10:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw have you pushed your browser's code somewhere yet ?
2021-02-21T19:10:45 #kisslinux <tracer> QtWebEngine is Chromium, and I have no GTK on my system.
2021-02-21T19:10:47 #kisslinux <dgre> I did port motif
2021-02-21T19:10:56 #kisslinux <dgre> For the last version of xpdf using motif
2021-02-21T19:11:03 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm liking luakit so far
2021-02-21T19:11:11 #kisslinux <tracer> I got it on my repo, but that is an very early stage.
2021-02-21T19:11:34 #kisslinux <tracer> https://git.24unix.net/tracer/Cheetah
2021-02-21T19:11:51 #kisslinux <tracer> No commits from today, they will come tomorrow.
2021-02-21T19:14:46 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, lazy me, I must update Gitea.
2021-02-21T19:16:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Feels like viper
2021-02-21T19:19:18 #kisslinux <tracer> So, I'll leave soon, as ever day. Current state: https://y.24unix.net/fpkcf
2021-02-21T19:19:46 #kisslinux <tracer> viper looks like otter, but freezes at start, otter only after 5 minutes ^^
2021-02-21T19:32:44 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer:  your pastebin requires javascript ?
2021-02-21T19:33:04 #kisslinux <tracer> yes, for encryption.
2021-02-21T19:33:16 #kisslinux <tracer> It's privatebin.
2021-02-21T19:35:01 #kisslinux <tracer> I don't care so much about encryption, but it was the best tool I found which supports pasting images from the clipboard.
2021-02-21T19:36:16 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Doesn't 0x0 do that?
2021-02-21T19:36:56 #kisslinux <acheam> not from the clipboard
2021-02-21T19:37:09 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe with xclip you could hack something togethor though
2021-02-21T19:37:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm fair
2021-02-21T19:40:50 #kisslinux <tracer> Even if 0x0 would do, I prefer to handle such things myself. Mails, Cloud, Hosting, Git, and stuff like pastebin.
2021-02-21T19:41:13 #kisslinux <tracer> s/Hosting/Web-Hosting/g
2021-02-21T19:41:14 #kisslinux <kissbot> <tracer> Even if 0x0 would do, I prefer to handle such things myself. Mails, Cloud, Web-Hosting, Git, and stuff like pastebin.
2021-02-21T19:41:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Seems fine
2021-02-21T19:41:48 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Nothing wrong with that
2021-02-21T19:43:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Everybody needs a hobby :)
2021-02-21T19:44:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Precisely!
2021-02-21T19:45:58 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer:  you can self host 0x0
2021-02-21T19:47:31 #kisslinux <tracer> acheam: I enjoy pasting from the clipbord. I wrote a small menulett for macOS to easily make screenshots into the clipboad, it's then just apple-v to post that into pastebin.
2021-02-21T19:47:56 #kisslinux <acheam> what i've settled on doing is relying on lots of small communities to host my services for me (after going through a phase of self hosting everything). For example, I use Teddit from the GGC Project, Nitter from pussthecat, Invidious from zee.li, ZNC and 0x0 from envs.net, etc. I do still self host somethings like VPN though
2021-02-21T19:48:19 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer:  whatever works for you!
2021-02-21T19:50:07 #kisslinux <acheam> 3 more days to fill out the BDFL form if you haven't already! https://kiss-poll.armaanb.net
2021-02-21T20:13:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> btw, who's developing king, and where can i find the code?
2021-02-21T20:15:32 #kisslinux <acheam> github.com/illiti/king
2021-02-21T20:16:33 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry, https://github.com/illiliti/king
2021-02-21T20:23:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: have poll replies slowed down now?
2021-02-21T20:23:42 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1:  slightly, we're at 116 now
2021-02-21T20:24:19 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> wow
2021-02-21T20:31:14 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  i'm starting to think that commonmark would have been a better choice over pandoc markdown
2021-02-21T20:31:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I believe there is a converter program though, if you are interested in it
2021-02-21T20:49:14 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: idk. the only real benefit is the additional heading levels, right?
2021-02-21T20:49:29 #kisslinux <acheam> and that its a bit more standard
2021-02-21T20:49:50 #kisslinux <acheam> its a perfect example of https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
2021-02-21T20:50:25 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol. yeah.
2021-02-21T20:52:14 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> the conversion to commonmark, as far as i can tell, would be to fix the headers.  it resolve the issue of trying to cram the previous 3-level header structure into to. for example, https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki.html
2021-02-21T20:52:21 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> oops. wrong link
2021-02-21T20:52:35 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/install.html
2021-02-21T20:53:00 #kisslinux <acheam> oooh nice styles!
2021-02-21T20:53:04 #kisslinux <acheam> i looove that
2021-02-21T20:53:24 #kisslinux <acheam> its fine honestly
2021-02-21T20:53:30 #kisslinux <acheam> pandoc markdown is well supported
2021-02-21T20:56:25 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> also; there would be benefit of enforcing a 2-level header structure.  some of the articles, such as kde.md one, are just way too long.
2021-02-21T20:56:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> same goes the storage.md as well
2021-02-21T21:11:00 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> King, you say!
2021-02-21T21:11:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Illiliti so prolific!
2021-02-21T21:26:40 #kisslinux <dgre> anyone on wyverkiss: what mail client do you use?
2021-02-21T21:28:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just in the browser :S
2021-02-21T21:28:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mostly use my phone
2021-02-21T21:29:34 #kisslinux <dgre> Weird >_>
2021-02-21T21:29:57 #kisslinux <dgre> I ask because mutt requires ncurses
2021-02-21T21:30:10 #kisslinux <dgre> It won't work with netbsd-curses
2021-02-21T21:31:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Is there a specific error?
2021-02-21T21:31:34 #kisslinux <dgre> well
2021-02-21T21:31:45 #kisslinux <dgre> ill have to wait a whiiiile until i wait for my system to update
2021-02-21T21:31:51 #kisslinux <dgre> while i wait*
2021-02-21T21:31:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Might just need to add -l$libname
2021-02-21T21:31:53 #kisslinux <dgre> until
2021-02-21T21:31:54 #kisslinux <dgre> idk
2021-02-21T21:31:59 #kisslinux <dgre> Well, no I think I checked that
2021-02-21T21:32:12 #kisslinux <dgre> netbsd-curses poses as ncurses in the system
2021-02-21T21:32:32 #kisslinux <dgre> $ ls -l /usr/lib/libncurses.so
2021-02-21T21:32:34 #kisslinux <dgre> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root             12 Jan 10 01:23 /usr/lib/libncurses.so -> libcurses.so
2021-02-21T21:34:10 #kisslinux <dgre> That was worded terribly
2021-02-21T21:34:18 #kisslinux <dgre> 'I have to wait for my system to finish updating'
2021-02-21T21:34:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah but some packages won't find all the libs they need correctly with netbsd curses
2021-02-21T21:34:44 #kisslinux <dgre> It did find it
2021-02-21T21:34:56 #kisslinux <dgre> there was no 'not found' error
2021-02-21T21:35:05 #kisslinux <dgre> I think it was an 'unknown symbol' error
2021-02-21T21:35:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Right
2021-02-21T21:35:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> What's the pkgconf --libs output for ncurses with each of them? I'd imagine it's different
2021-02-21T21:35:58 #kisslinux <dgre> -lncurses -lterminfo
2021-02-21T21:39:08 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre:  I don't use wyverkiss, but aerc should work
2021-02-21T21:47:23 #kisslinux <dgre> I guess
2021-02-21T22:16:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I hate when KDE adds new deps to packages
2021-02-21T22:16:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Now libnl is required. Urgh
2021-02-21T22:26:07 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> `echo mem > /sys/power/state` is a decent way to suspend, right?
2021-02-21T22:54:27 #kisslinux <dgre> I guess
2021-02-21T22:54:58 #kisslinux <dgre> Btw
2021-02-21T22:55:06 #kisslinux <dgre> Again, i'm on wyverkiss
2021-02-21T22:55:19 #kisslinux <dgre> I tried compiling busybox and it failed???
2021-02-21T22:55:20 #kisslinux <dgre> https://0x0.st/-8p9.txt
2021-02-21T23:08:04 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The busybox in the wyverkiss repo builds fine for me it seems
2021-02-21T23:08:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Anything special about your system?
2021-02-21T23:08:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> (also konimex: can we change the -static-libgcc flag to something useful or mask it? Lmao)
2021-02-21T23:09:01 #kisslinux <dgre> Nothing special
2021-02-21T23:09:32 #kisslinux <dgre> CFLAGS are -O2 -pipe -march=native -mtune=native -fomit-frame-pointer -fstack-protector-strong -Wall
2021-02-21T23:09:39 #kisslinux <dgre> so yeah, nothing special
2021-02-21T23:10:50 #kisslinux <dgre> I think I'm going to try building llvm first
2021-02-21T23:14:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is your somehow building an old version of the wyverkiss busybox, or someone else's
2021-02-21T23:16:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Unless stack protector is broken for busybox, but that seems unlikely. I'll try with your flags in a minute
2021-02-21T23:19:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> Dilyn Corner: you use llvm too? I don't think I knew that
2021-02-21T23:19:54 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I've been on wyverkiss for... 8 months now? I think?
2021-02-21T23:33:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> nice
2021-02-21T23:34:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I love it
2021-02-21T23:42:45 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  can you setup your webserver to serve the .html version when you go to the .md extension?
2021-02-21T23:43:25 #kisslinux <acheam> right now all the links go to the .md version, which on my browser just tries to download them. Its alright if I manually go to the .htm
2021-02-21T23:43:28 #kisslinux <acheam> l
2021-02-21T23:43:30 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: coincidentally, i was just working on that ^^
2021-02-21T23:44:16 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> working the /install.md page first
2021-02-21T23:57:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre, what's the missing symbol with mutt ?
2021-02-21T23:59:38 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  nice