2021-04-30T09:02:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.qemu.org/2021/04/30/qemu-6-0-0/
2021-04-30T12:38:27 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: hmm nice update
2021-04-30T12:38:44 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of features that I will never use lol
2021-04-30T12:39:29 #kisslinux <yabobay> i think "seden" has been word of the day for more than a day by now
2021-04-30T12:40:16 #kisslinux <yabobay> anyway i have booted a 64-bit VM running archiso and i'm gonna install kiss on it dammit. 3rd time's the charm?
2021-04-30T12:41:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what broke so badly that you need to start from scratch yabobay
2021-04-30T12:44:18 #kisslinux <yabobay1> so for some reason hexchat disconnected me but then i tried to rejoin but was still in the channel?
2021-04-30T12:45:11 #kisslinux <yabobay1> alright then
2021-04-30T12:46:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> ok thats better
2021-04-30T12:46:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> does this happen a lot?
2021-04-30T12:50:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> does anyone know a decent gtk gruvbox theme?
2021-04-30T12:53:41 #kisslinux <acheam> uh let me find the one I use
2021-04-30T12:58:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi phoebos
2021-04-30T12:58:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> hiya
2021-04-30T12:59:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> busybox sh doesn't source a ~/.ashrc or anything does it
2021-04-30T13:00:44 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: https://github.com/jmattheis/gruvbox-dark-gtk
2021-04-30T13:01:33 #kisslinux <yabobay1> IRC is *soooo* reliable
2021-04-30T13:01:38 #kisslinux <yabobay1> seriously wth
2021-04-30T13:01:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh, im using that one only currently, but borders look a little weird
2021-04-30T13:04:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm
2021-04-30T13:04:31 #kisslinux <acheam> could be a quick fix if you fork it
2021-04-30T13:05:12 #kisslinux <acheam> idk, i'm just using an adwaita variant right now
2021-04-30T13:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> >adwaita
2021-04-30T13:05:23 #kisslinux <acheam> wow you're up early today mid
2021-04-30T13:05:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been up for a few hours
2021-04-30T13:05:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> today will be a busy day
2021-04-30T13:05:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have to reinstall KISS
2021-04-30T13:05:40 #kisslinux <acheam> again?
2021-04-30T13:05:41 #kisslinux <yabobay1> what time is it in your timezone thing place ?
2021-04-30T13:05:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now? just after ten, but I've been awake since 0600
2021-04-30T13:06:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I've been working on a fresh install for a while acheam. lots of changes. plus it's an opportunity to move my root off of my SATA SSD and onto one of my SAS drives
2021-04-30T13:06:46 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-30T13:07:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna go with NILFS2 and XFS, methinks
2021-04-30T13:07:29 #kisslinux <yabobay1> btw i was using hexchat and i kept getting disconnected. is that a my network problem, is it a freenode problem, is it a hexchat problem what is it
2021-04-30T13:07:31 #kisslinux <acheam> what's the deal with XFS? It seems like a nice filesystem thats underrated
2021-04-30T13:07:40 #kisslinux <acheam> prob a network problem
2021-04-30T13:08:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> for me I just like XFS because it's old, stable, and has moderately above-average performance in basically all situations
2021-04-30T13:08:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's never the best, but it's never the worst, either.
2021-04-30T13:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> usually I use XFS for mass storage partitions and JFS for archival
2021-04-30T13:08:44 #kisslinux <yabobay1> what a coincidence, i decided XFS for this install too
2021-04-30T13:09:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> NILFS for SSDs because even though it's among the slowest filesystems, it has the ability to roll back changes at any point in time
2021-04-30T13:09:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and apparently due to the way it stores data, naturally performs wear levelling
2021-04-30T13:10:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> likely going to use that for my home partition
2021-04-30T13:10:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and since i'm switching to gpt from mbr, might even go one step further and make seperate /etc, /var, and so on
2021-04-30T13:11:29 #kisslinux <raph_ael> f2fs seems to do so too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2FS
2021-04-30T13:11:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> F2FS has heavy corporate involvement
2021-04-30T13:12:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't want to use technology endorsed or developed by samsung if I have the choice
2021-04-30T13:12:26 #kisslinux <raph_ael> well it's open source, and it means it's maintained
2021-04-30T13:12:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't particularly care
2021-04-30T13:12:36 #kisslinux <raph_ael> but I understand your point of view
2021-04-30T13:12:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> "open source" is a joke tbh
2021-04-30T13:13:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, it's the definition of corporate shillery
2021-04-30T13:16:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> wouldn't NILFS's log get massive
2021-04-30T13:17:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, yes. eventually
2021-04-30T13:17:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> >Developer(s)	Samsung Electronics, Motorola Mobility, Huawei and Google
2021-04-30T13:17:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lol i'm surprised mid's head hasn't exploded yet at that
2021-04-30T13:17:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-30T13:17:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah it's not great
2021-04-30T13:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but nilfs has a cleaner daemon that sorts the log and gradually overwrites the oldest entries once it starts becoming an issue
2021-04-30T13:18:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> huh ok
2021-04-30T13:18:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> does this during periods of low disk I/O to prevent interference
2021-04-30T13:18:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> sounds nice
2021-04-30T13:18:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it also runs checks on every mount and unmount
2021-04-30T13:18:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, it's neat
2021-04-30T13:19:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> although like I mentioned earlier, it's known for uh
2021-04-30T13:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> being quite slow
2021-04-30T13:19:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> much better for lots of little files than large files
2021-04-30T13:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence use for my home directory
2021-04-30T13:19:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> right
2021-04-30T13:20:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck... slacko still uses GRUB4DOS
2021-04-30T13:21:05 #kisslinux <yabobay1> what's grub4dos and why is it problem
2021-04-30T13:21:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's GRUB
2021-04-30T13:21:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> but for DOS
2021-04-30T13:21:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's a problem because it works even less of the time than regular GRUB
2021-04-30T13:21:40 #kisslinux <yabobay1> but it isn't dos ??? why are they using it
2021-04-30T13:21:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> beats me
2021-04-30T13:22:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> is knoppix still a thing? I always had luck with it
2021-04-30T13:22:12 #kisslinux <yabobay1> slack and puppy are like duct tape distros. so when you combine them
2021-04-30T13:22:19 #kisslinux <yabobay1> knoppix is still a thing
2021-04-30T13:22:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> based
2021-04-30T13:23:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy shit dude
2021-04-30T13:23:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> knopper.net is like
2021-04-30T13:23:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most aesthetic site I've seen in a long time
2021-04-30T13:24:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's... actually really nice
2021-04-30T13:24:43 #kisslinux <acheam> oh thats the knoppix guy right?
2021-04-30T13:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-04-30T13:24:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm tempted to jack his style
2021-04-30T13:25:09 #kisslinux <acheam> its aesthetic but heavy
2021-04-30T13:25:12 #kisslinux <acheam> 27 kb
2021-04-30T13:25:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> loads in half a second on dialup
2021-04-30T13:25:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not heavy
2021-04-30T13:25:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> not really a problem
2021-04-30T13:25:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus
2021-04-30T13:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of the assets will be cached
2021-04-30T13:25:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> lighter than other webshit
2021-04-30T13:25:56 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-04-30T13:25:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's even less of a problem
2021-04-30T13:26:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's what the web should be
2021-04-30T13:26:01 #kisslinux <acheam> on DSL it loads in 1 sec
2021-04-30T13:26:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> when it comes to web bloat,
2021-04-30T13:26:05 #kisslinux <acheam> 1.05 to be precise
2021-04-30T13:26:10 #kisslinux <acheam> but yeah its not terrible
2021-04-30T13:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is JS
2021-04-30T13:26:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and frames
2021-04-30T13:26:21 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe I am too extreme with page weight
2021-04-30T13:26:35 #kisslinux <acheam> but they could save a lot of space if they didn't use gifs
2021-04-30T13:26:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, they could likely get away with just using CSS
2021-04-30T13:27:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to wait twenty minutes for knoppix to download...
2021-04-30T13:27:44 #kisslinux <acheam> its also pretty terrible HTML wise
2021-04-30T13:27:57 #kisslinux <acheam> https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fknopper.net%2Fprojekte%2Findex-en.html&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
2021-04-30T13:29:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i stopped caring about the W3C when they started filtering based on user agent
2021-04-30T13:29:13 #kisslinux <acheam> but very aesthetic
2021-04-30T13:29:16 #kisslinux <acheam> oh?
2021-04-30T13:29:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah. I get 403'd when visiting with the Nuegia browser.
2021-04-30T13:31:02 #kisslinux <acheam> rip
2021-04-30T13:31:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> everything changed when the UA Filtering Nation attacked
2021-04-30T13:31:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> W3C tribe bad
2021-04-30T13:32:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> is nilfs still maintained
2021-04-30T13:32:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> last thing on the mailing list is 2016 spam
2021-04-30T13:32:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> last commit jul 2019
2021-04-30T13:32:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, the utilities are still maintained
2021-04-30T13:33:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, I'm of the opinion that judging based on last commit is kind of a bad metric. better to look at if there are any issues warranting commits
2021-04-30T13:34:06 #kisslinux <phoebos> true but i'm skeptical that there's been no problems for almost 2 years
2021-04-30T13:34:21 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-04-30T13:35:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't see any based on a cursory search
2021-04-30T13:36:11 #kisslinux <acheam> a cursory search isn't enough to find any issues in it when it hasn't been worked on in 2 years
2021-04-30T13:37:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://marc.info/?l=linux-nilfs
2021-04-30T13:37:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a mailing list archive linked to from the NILFS2 site
2021-04-30T13:37:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> seems like it's still maintained.
2021-04-30T13:37:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> given mentions of patches
2021-04-30T13:38:25 #kisslinux <acheam> lets get kiss MLs on that site?
2021-04-30T13:38:39 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like you just have to send an email
2021-04-30T13:39:58 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-30T13:40:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah fair enough, didn't see that site
2021-04-30T13:40:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> ok nilfs in the kernel is maintained
2021-04-30T13:40:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> last commit 2021-04-12
2021-04-30T13:49:41 #kisslinux <raph_ael> NILFS or NILFS2 (New Implementation of a Log-structured File System) is a log-structured file system implementation for the Linux kernel. It is being developed by Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT) CyberSpace Laboratories and a community from all over the world
2021-04-30T13:49:51 #kisslinux <raph_ael> still corporate
2021-04-30T13:50:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> a japanese telco is significantly less corpo than Samsung, Motorola, et al
2021-04-30T14:50:44 #kisslinux <midfavila2> okay wew
2021-04-30T14:50:51 #kisslinux <midfavila2> pidgin just had an aneurism over something
2021-04-30T14:52:08 #kisslinux <midfavila2> anyway, working on installing regular old musl kiss on my desktop, compiling the nuegia browser, throws an error that the version of libjpeg-turbo is insufficient. i made sure that it was installed and up-to-date, and the build instructions work under glibc-based kiss, so not sure what's happening
2021-04-30T15:08:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is it identifying libjpeg-turbo as installed at all?
2021-04-30T15:08:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup.
2021-04-30T15:09:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm still tinkering with the .mozconfig and trying stuff... hopefully I can get this up and running
2021-04-30T15:10:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> not needing glibc would be awesome
2021-04-30T15:13:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> commenting out the --with-system-libfoo fixes those problems, but then it fails to build a sanity check, spitting out that there's a duplicate "unsigned" from the header file confdefs.h... still trying to find the damn thing though.
2021-04-30T15:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...no, never mind, it had nothing to do with confdefs or the c compiler
2021-04-30T15:17:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was fucking grep
2021-04-30T15:17:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-04-30T15:22:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> missing/unsupported flag or something?
2021-04-30T15:22:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-04-30T15:22:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> using GNU grep can at least get me to the compile stage
2021-04-30T15:23:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then it immediately shits out hundreds of errors and crashes
2021-04-30T15:23:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> these are the same "error: duplicate 'unsigned'"
2021-04-30T15:26:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> midfavila can you link the source tarball for webbrowser
2021-04-30T15:27:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser.git
2021-04-30T15:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just cloning from this
2021-04-30T15:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> using a source tarball results in wonkiness that I don't want to deal with right now
2021-04-30T15:28:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> although it appears that I may have just done... something... that is working.
2021-04-30T15:30:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...nope. crashed my system. what the fuck.
2021-04-30T15:31:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> OOM ?
2021-04-30T15:31:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]>  You're using gcc 11 right
2021-04-30T15:31:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> 10.
2021-04-30T15:31:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> UXP doesn't support 11.
2021-04-30T15:31:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it wouldn't have been an OOM, I have 32GB of RAM and was only running thirty build jobs.
2021-04-30T15:32:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna try using a fresh kiss tarball and see if that helps...
2021-04-30T15:32:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> compare that against gkiss, see whether it's my autism or upstream that's causing problems
2021-04-30T15:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> or both
2021-04-30T15:33:30 #kisslinux <claudia02> ahoi.
2021-04-30T15:33:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi claudia
2021-04-30T15:33:54 #kisslinux <claudia02> There is this repo with a build of palemoon https://github.com/GullikX/ksrepo/blob/master/browser/build . Dont know which libc this is though.
2021-04-30T15:34:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Palememe is different, no gtk2
2021-04-30T15:34:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> pale meme has gtk2
2021-04-30T15:34:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-04-30T15:34:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Oh
2021-04-30T15:34:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Optional
2021-04-30T15:34:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> they only just got around to adding gtk3 support
2021-04-30T15:34:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nuegia is gtk2 only ?
2021-04-30T15:35:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the future, yes
2021-04-30T15:35:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> that appears to be likely
2021-04-30T15:40:41 #kisslinux <claudia02> ah you talking about nuegia, not native palemoon.
2021-04-30T15:40:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-04-30T16:36:17 #kisslinux <kqz> ah, thought i was going insane, was trying to build util-linux and everything in config.h was #undef'd even though i saw stuff getting defined in config.status, turns out something with sbase/ubase was messing up detection but not familiar with autotools so no idea what utilit(ies) would cause it to break like that
2021-04-30T16:36:31 #kisslinux <kqz> worked fine as soon as i switched back over to busybox
2021-04-30T16:46:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> now *that* is interesting...
2021-04-30T16:46:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sbase ubase can be weird sometimes
2021-04-30T16:46:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Cuz of non portable scripts
2021-04-30T16:47:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> i would assume nobody's mentioned this because most people probably don't do both s/ubase ++ util-linux
2021-04-30T16:48:54 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah i needed a few things from util-linux like agetty and their mount and uuid implementations, first time attempting to rebuild it since i switched to sbase/ubase and just noticed
2021-04-30T16:49:21 #kisslinux <kqz> i was also having very weird issues building apr where it was also just stating stuff was #undef'd even though configure detected it fine
2021-04-30T16:52:57 #kisslinux <kqz> anyways yeah more of a problem with autotools being yucky and non-portable than sbase/ubase, which sucks cuz  now I need  to dive into autotools and figure out what it's doing that is yucky and nonportable so i can switch back over to ubase/sbase
2021-04-30T16:58:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is there a place where i can see what the posix version of a command is supposed to support
2021-04-30T17:00:53 #kisslinux <konimex> man 1p?
2021-04-30T17:02:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/contents.html
2021-04-30T17:02:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> ?
2021-04-30T17:03:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-30T17:03:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Thanks
2021-04-30T17:09:14 #kisslinux <aarng> as konimex said, you can install man-pages-posix
2021-04-30T17:09:55 #kisslinux <aarng> then use `man 1p <program>`
2021-04-30T17:14:59 #kisslinux <ocean_man> I am trying to make toybox in my kiss chroot, and am getting this error:
2021-04-30T17:15:00 #kisslinux <ocean_man> scripts/genconfig.sh
2021-04-30T17:15:00 #kisslinux <ocean_man> make: scripts/genconfig.sh: No such file or directory
2021-04-30T17:15:01 #kisslinux <ocean_man> make: *** [Makefile:34: generated/Config.in] Error 127
2021-04-30T17:15:17 #kisslinux <ocean_man> scripts/genconfig is a directory though
2021-04-30T17:15:25 #kisslinux <ocean_man> *file
2021-04-30T17:15:37 #kisslinux <ocean_man> and it build fine on my local machine
2021-04-30T17:31:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> where did you download toybox from?
2021-04-30T17:32:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you have bash installed?
2021-04-30T17:32:07 #kisslinux <ocean_man> git vlone
2021-04-30T17:32:09 #kisslinux <ocean_man> clone
2021-04-30T17:32:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> genconfig.sh is #!/bin/env bash
2021-04-30T17:32:46 #kisslinux <ocean_man> let me try that
2021-04-30T17:32:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/env bash/bash/
2021-04-30T17:32:47 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> genconfig.sh is #!/bin/bash
2021-04-30T17:33:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> ew bash
2021-04-30T17:33:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten made a patch so it's POSIX but landley didn't merge it because he's implementing a bash replacement
2021-04-30T17:33:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> my repo has the patch, you can also nab it from e5ten's fork
2021-04-30T17:33:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh it's not posix?
2021-04-30T17:33:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> someone else made a patch so it can be bootstrapped entirely but I haven't tried it
2021-04-30T17:33:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's fun
2021-04-30T17:34:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> toysh is intended to replace bash... for whatever reasons landley has for doing so :v
2021-04-30T17:34:23 #kisslinux <ocean_man> dilyn can you point me to that repo?
2021-04-30T17:34:37 #kisslinux <ocean_man> *your repo
2021-04-30T17:35:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me
2021-04-30T17:35:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me
2021-04-30T17:35:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-30T17:35:05 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol
2021-04-30T17:35:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> ocean_man: kiss-find is your friend
2021-04-30T17:42:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> > vi: predates the existence of standardized cursor keys, so the controls are weird and historical
2021-04-30T17:42:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmao ok toybox
2021-04-30T17:47:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> landley is so in-the-weeds with this type of stuff I just take whatever he says as the Gospel Truth
2021-04-30T17:49:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> this would probably trigger 80% of the people here https://github.com/udevbe/greenfield
2021-04-30T17:52:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> omg
2021-04-30T17:52:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> im laughing
2021-04-30T17:53:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> this needs to be kiss's default, none of that xorg bloat
2021-04-30T17:54:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> > each application is encoded in real-time to a h264 video stream
2021-04-30T17:55:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> dammit why no h265
2021-04-30T17:58:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just such a new technology, we could never dream to leverage it
2021-04-30T18:00:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> 2013 smh
2021-04-30T18:01:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> basically a child
2021-04-30T18:01:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> I for one refuse to use code that is not at LEAST of legal age.
2021-04-30T18:02:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> very responsible
2021-04-30T18:02:53 #kisslinux * phoebos sighs
2021-04-30T18:13:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> o/
2021-04-30T18:13:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> how long does golang take to build?
2021-04-30T18:13:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> not too long
2021-04-30T18:13:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> minutes, hours?
2021-04-30T18:13:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> minutes should be
2021-04-30T18:15:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks
2021-04-30T18:15:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> trying to install via gobrew and it's... being wierd
2021-04-30T18:15:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> so now via kiss
2021-04-30T18:15:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> never heard of gobrew
2021-04-30T18:15:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's a go version manager
2021-04-30T18:15:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> gccgo tends to be pretty straightforward
2021-04-30T18:16:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's supposed to be simple and forthe most part it is
2021-04-30T18:16:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah
2021-04-30T18:16:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> but...
2021-04-30T18:16:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> I can see the go binary when I do `ls`
2021-04-30T18:16:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> but gobrew or manually trying and I just get a not found
2021-04-30T18:16:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...
2021-04-30T18:16:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> AH
2021-04-30T18:16:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> wait
2021-04-30T18:17:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> gopath?
2021-04-30T18:17:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's that elf problem I had from before
2021-04-30T18:17:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> ooh
2021-04-30T18:17:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> it want's the glibc linker
2021-04-30T18:17:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think
2021-04-30T18:17:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's the same problem as before
2021-04-30T18:17:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> so the binaries won't run as they were probably compiled with glibc
2021-04-30T18:18:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> tch
2021-04-30T18:18:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw the kiss go isn't building
2021-04-30T18:18:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> keeps getting permission denied
2021-04-30T18:19:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> `go tool dist: mkdtemp(/var/tmp/go-cbuild-XXXXXX): Permission denied`
2021-04-30T18:19:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> mine works
2021-04-30T18:19:46 #kisslinux <kqz> i ran into the same issue, not sure why the package needs that dir but i just made /var/tmp writable to my user temporarily
2021-04-30T18:19:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> do you build in /var/tmp?
2021-04-30T18:19:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> switched to root
2021-04-30T18:20:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> uhhh I don't know?
2021-04-30T18:21:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> then its a go thing
2021-04-30T18:21:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> kqz' thing should work
2021-04-30T18:21:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's weird though
2021-04-30T18:24:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> my /var/tmp has 777 perms and i don't think i ever changed it
2021-04-30T18:24:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-30T18:24:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> tmp isn't writable
2021-04-30T18:25:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think that's the issue
2021-04-30T18:25:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> also thermatix go built in 1 min :)
2021-04-30T18:25:05 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah
2021-04-30T18:25:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah that was the issue
2021-04-30T18:26:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> i must have changed /var/tmp somehow, it's 766 in the kiss tarball
2021-04-30T18:28:02 #kisslinux <dilyn>  /var/tmp perms should be fixed in the next release
2021-04-30T18:28:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> what should they be?
2021-04-30T18:28:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> 777?
2021-04-30T18:29:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1777
2021-04-30T18:29:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> world read-writeable but stickybit should be set
2021-04-30T18:29:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah oui meant that ;)
2021-04-30T18:29:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-30T18:30:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could do without the sticky bit if you don't think another user would delete your stuff... ;)
2021-04-30T18:30:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> can it have sticky without everyone having execute perms?
2021-04-30T18:30:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably; lfs recommends that during builds iirc
2021-04-30T18:31:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, it's the tmp folder
2021-04-30T18:31:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> it shouldn't really matter
2021-04-30T18:32:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> go built pretty quickly
2021-04-30T18:32:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah it was the permission on the folder that was the issue
2021-04-30T18:32:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> always is... smh
2021-04-30T18:33:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think I've fixed all the perms for this next release xD and the tarball will be about half the size, because I realized zst's xz defaults to -3 instead of -6 compression
2021-04-30T18:33:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmao
2021-04-30T18:34:52 #kisslinux <kqz> how common is the use of /var/tmp? think i've only ran into something using it for that one instance, might just symlink /tmp to it since i have an abundance of ram anyways
2021-04-30T18:35:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> I has 16GB of ram on this laptop
2021-04-30T18:35:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> reason I wanted it
2021-04-30T18:35:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: does xz have -9 support
2021-04-30T18:39:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> zst's xz supports up to -22...
2021-04-30T18:39:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-30T18:39:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I tested it and there's basically zero gains beyond -9
2021-04-30T18:39:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> ooh
2021-04-30T18:39:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> for xz at least. which makes sense, considering that's what the algorithm really supports
2021-04-30T18:39:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> zst will have slight gains at higher compressions, but it's not big (at least for KISS tarballs)
2021-04-30T18:39:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> why -6 not -9?
2021-04-30T18:40:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> smallest I got was like, 32.2mb
2021-04-30T18:40:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll have to check again but the difference between 6 and 9 isn't all that much. tho the compression time might have been basically identical anyways
2021-04-30T18:40:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> we'll see!
2021-04-30T18:41:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> what I'm really curious about is whether using a dictionary is useful
2021-04-30T18:41:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> my guess is *no*, but maybe...
2021-04-30T18:41:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> how about -0
2021-04-30T18:43:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> re: nobody does {u,sbase} + util-linux dilyn
2021-04-30T18:43:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I do that ; w;
2021-04-30T18:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ...only because I need fdisk, but still.
2021-04-30T18:44:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> polybar is irritating
2021-04-30T18:44:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> well if you decided to stick with mbr you wouldn't need util-linux fdisk :P
2021-04-30T18:44:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> what do you think of Yabar?
2021-04-30T18:44:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could try cgdisk
2021-04-30T18:45:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> MBR is still on my bootdisk
2021-04-30T18:45:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i lost patience with knoppix
2021-04-30T18:45:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's so fucking slow, even running entirely from RAM
2021-04-30T18:45:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmao
2021-04-30T18:45:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it doesn't detect all of my threads
2021-04-30T18:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so builds were *crawling*
2021-04-30T18:45:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> nvm, sooo many dependencies
2021-04-30T18:46:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> kiss s '*bar*'
2021-04-30T18:46:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...
2021-04-30T18:46:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL I did it again >_<
2021-04-30T18:46:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also, I didn't want to fight with nuegia to get it to run on musl... heretical, I know
2021-04-30T18:48:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> jeez /bin/lto-dump is 22 MiB what's going on here
2021-04-30T18:49:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> is that just for lto stuff
2021-04-30T18:49:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> feels unecessary
2021-04-30T19:00:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lto is so necessary tho
2021-04-30T19:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've heard LTO can result in a super broken system...
2021-04-30T19:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but that's mostly from some gentoo people.
2021-04-30T19:01:18 #kisslinux <yabobay> yooo i can be in 2 channels at the same time
2021-04-30T19:02:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> thin LTO has been overwhelmingly safe for me thus far
2021-04-30T19:02:33 #kisslinux <yabobay> so apparently running a x86-64 VM was too much for my poor laptop so it just crashed when i was building something and then the virtual disk file thingy got corrupted and wouldnt even *try* to boot so i deleted it
2021-04-30T19:02:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> How'd you go about setting it up? I've not done much research of my own into LTO, admittedly.
2021-04-30T19:03:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> export CFLAGS="-flto=thin"
2021-04-30T19:03:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> some packages are broken with it tho
2021-04-30T19:03:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hmm
2021-04-30T19:03:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> does it make much of a difference
2021-04-30T19:03:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/blob/master/hooks not really
2021-04-30T19:03:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> specifically those ones &
2021-04-30T19:03:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^^*
2021-04-30T19:06:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> so using regular-old xz zT0 -9 results in TWO cores being used
2021-04-30T19:06:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> zt0 -6 results in SIX
2021-04-30T19:06:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> wth xz
2021-04-30T19:07:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> though the compression differences are sizeable - 19MB bigger with 6
2021-04-30T19:08:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> bsdtar seems way slower than busybox tar
2021-04-30T19:09:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> wow
2021-04-30T19:15:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> i'll be back
2021-04-30T19:17:19 #kisslinux <claudia02> dilyn: mailinglist: the last mail from "nihal jere" sfeed bump, moved to spambox on gmail.
2021-04-30T19:19:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I believe that was because the rDNS had not propagated when it was sent
2021-04-30T19:19:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-04-30T19:20:12 #kisslinux <claudia02> more propaganda! :v dunno.
2021-04-30T19:21:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I assume it's fixed now, and hopefully gmail didn't just automatically blacklist me because I failed *once*
2021-04-30T19:21:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'ma be peeved if they did lmao
2021-04-30T19:37:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> in my experience gmail hasn't been too bad about that once you get some traffic going and people are actively interacting with the email from your server.  Outlook/Microsoft has been the only one (so far) that has been a pain in the butt to keep my email traffic allowed on
2021-04-30T19:40:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah the only providers i've experienced problems with are tutanota/protonmail
2021-04-30T19:45:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there was a whole rant someone had about GMail causing their mail server to be flagged because people were marking email from him as spam instead of just unsubscribing from the relevant mailing list.  Essentially their point was the "mark as spam" option should be less visible/actionable than the unsubscribe because people are gonna do whatever the
2021-04-30T19:45:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> laziest option is
2021-04-30T19:45:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> people don't understand these technologies
2021-04-30T19:48:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is there a standard for how a mailing list should provide an unsubscribe link?
2021-04-30T19:49:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's probably an rfc for it
2021-04-30T19:50:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8058 this is cute lol
2021-04-30T19:50:44 #kisslinux <kqz> ok, maybe i am going insane, nuked busybox and reinstalled sbase/ubase, still no longer having issues with autotools, aaa
2021-04-30T19:51:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.postmastery.com/list-unsubscribe-header-critical-for-sustained-email-delivery/ also interesting
2021-04-30T19:51:34 #kisslinux <kqz> also anyone know of a patch implementation besides diffutils and busybox/toybox?
2021-04-30T19:52:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> gnu patch is a standalone package
2021-04-30T19:54:21 #kisslinux <kqz> know of anything nongnu? ;d but that'll work for now
2021-04-30T19:56:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that second link is exactly what i was curious about... ok so there's a header defined for it
2021-04-30T19:58:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> usually
2021-04-30T19:58:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> toybox patch is the only one i'm aware of
2021-04-30T20:10:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's the easiest way to manage fonts?
2021-04-30T20:10:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> becuase fontconfig isn't very helpful
2021-04-30T20:13:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i just put them under /usr/share/fonts/*, do an `fc-cache -fv`, and they get recognized and are available for use.  is there a certain format or font you're having trouble with?
2021-04-30T20:13:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> one sec
2021-04-30T20:14:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> when I do for fc-list
2021-04-30T20:14:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> it doesn't seem to show the exact string I have to use with programs
2021-04-30T20:15:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> like for example, lemonbar
2021-04-30T20:15:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah, try `fc-match yourfontname` and modify until it matches your font
2021-04-30T20:17:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> doesn't seem to show anything
2021-04-30T20:17:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> it shows only `LiberationMono-Regular.ttf: "Liberation Mono" "Regular"`
2021-04-30T20:17:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> and nothing else
2021-04-30T20:18:44 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> there's a flag to show the whole hierarchy of matches rather than just the first
2021-04-30T20:19:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> can't remember what it is, maybe `-a`
2021-04-30T20:19:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so in my experience using the third string shown in fc-list and verifying fc-match identifies it right is enough
2021-04-30T20:19:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so an fc-list entry of: usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf: DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Oblique
2021-04-30T20:20:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i try `fc-match "DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Oblique"`
2021-04-30T20:21:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and if it matches then i'll put it in the lemonbar arglist as `-f "DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Oblique:size=9"`
2021-04-30T20:22:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> i see
2021-04-30T20:22:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> whoops second string of fc-list not third string, but hopefully it makes sense
2021-04-30T21:21:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's amazing how little you can get by with and still have a buildable chromium
2021-04-30T21:22:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could almost entirely rip out webrtc, I'd imagine...
2021-04-30T21:32:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> nice to know its still possible
2021-04-30T22:04:23 #kisslinux <tink> Have you guys ever built a stripped-down ungoogled chromium? How do the building times compare to a non-custom build?
2021-04-30T22:05:14 #kisslinux <tink> with*
2021-04-30T22:10:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> my chromium build has about 45k components and took >30 hours on a 2c4t 2.6ghz haswell, takes about 40 minutes in my 3900x
2021-04-30T23:06:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> okay so
2021-04-30T23:06:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it *appears*
2021-04-30T23:06:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that my system is stable again
2021-04-30T23:07:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i said fuck it to reinstalling KISS and just fixed the issue. something to do with my kernel parameters, gotta tune those...
2021-04-30T23:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> cursed idea
2021-04-30T23:25:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> AFFS rootfs