[2021-06-23T00:19:27Z] <midfavila> just download your music. smh.
[2021-06-23T00:19:29Z] <midfavila> fucking zoomers.
[2021-06-23T00:20:05Z] <acheam> nicotine+ doesnt work on kiss
[2021-06-23T00:20:14Z] <acheam> it needs gtk introspection
[2021-06-23T00:20:35Z] <acheam> so youd have to kiss fork the entire gtk stack
[2021-06-23T01:04:08Z] <dilyn> just use cigarettes like everyone else smh 
[2021-06-23T01:05:55Z] <midfavila> alcohol*
[2021-06-23T01:06:43Z] <midfavila> piracy is much, much worse for indust- er, individuals, than alcohol. as everyone knows.
[2021-06-23T01:29:16Z] <phoebos[m]> wahey, ctrl-c.club finally has https
[2021-06-23T01:29:44Z] <phoebos[m]> also cool issue ya got there, dylan
[2021-06-23T01:30:01Z] <phoebos[m]> what needs to happen for the issue to be closed
[2021-06-23T01:31:43Z] <phoebos[m]> is something awful gonna happen to dilyn
[2021-06-23T01:38:36Z] <midfavila-laptop> Thinkin' of writing a simple image viewer in lisp... doesn't seem like it'd be too hard, at least for JPEGs, since there's a really nice library that does all the heavy lifting.
[2021-06-23T01:39:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> actually, speaking of programs in lisp, have you packaged nyxt, acheam?
[2021-06-23T01:39:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> as much as I hate webshit and gtk3, I really want to try it
[2021-06-23T01:39:16Z] <acheam> it requires introspection
[2021-06-23T01:39:22Z] <acheam> same problem as nicotine+
[2021-06-23T01:39:31Z] <midfavila-laptop> Oh. That's lame.
[2021-06-23T01:39:48Z] <acheam> very much so
[2021-06-23T01:40:12Z] <acheam> all gtk bindings to other languages require it if I understand correctly
[2021-06-23T01:40:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> Ew...
[2021-06-23T01:40:45Z] <midfavila-laptop> Well, the answer to this is clearly to write a KISS browser.
[2021-06-23T01:41:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> just steal libweb from serenity or something and slap a GUI on top. idk
[2021-06-23T01:43:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> man, that's kind of depressing, though. i was all excited earlier today, thinking about how it would be super awesome if you could combine Nyxt with UXP
[2021-06-23T01:43:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> and slap a STLWRT gui on top
[2021-06-23T01:43:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> that's a browser I would actually enjoy using
[2021-06-23T01:43:52Z] <phoebos[m]> Sounds pretty widely-compatible
[2021-06-23T01:44:00Z] <phoebos[m]> also, lisp is nice
[2021-06-23T01:44:27Z] <phoebos[m]> go write our KISS browser in lisp, mid
[2021-06-23T01:45:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> once I actually understand anything about computers I will
[2021-06-23T01:45:36Z] <midfavila-laptop> until then you'll have to be satisfied with my poorly-written shell scripts
[2021-06-23T01:45:38Z] <phoebos[m]> looking forward to it
[2021-06-23T01:45:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> i unironically do intend to write a browser In The Future:tm:, though
[2021-06-23T01:46:02Z] <phoebos[m]> i tried making an irc client in c the other day
[2021-06-23T01:46:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> somewhere between Dillo and Netsurf, with a featureset similar to Links
[2021-06-23T01:46:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> oh?
[2021-06-23T01:46:13Z] <phoebos[m]> sockets are funky
[2021-06-23T01:46:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> i imagine so
[2021-06-23T01:46:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> i need to work through the rest of K&R, but it's almost midnight and I'm tired. ugh.
[2021-06-23T01:46:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> haven't even covered pointers yet
[2021-06-23T01:46:45Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's been on hold for the past few days...
[2021-06-23T01:47:13Z] <phoebos[m]> it worked! just, need to do some kind of forking so that I can read messages while also waiting for input
[2021-06-23T01:47:24Z] <phoebos[m]> I think a poll
[2021-06-23T01:47:28Z] <phoebos[m]> or a select
[2021-06-23T01:47:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> Very cool.
[2021-06-23T01:47:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> That's another thing I want to write...
[2021-06-23T01:47:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> gaaaaah, I need to start writing down my ideas
[2021-06-23T01:48:09Z] <phoebos[m]> Oof. Does that mean you can't use pointers, under your ~rule~
[2021-06-23T01:48:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> was implementing IRC hard? i've heard it's quite simple to get the core protocol working
[2021-06-23T01:48:37Z] <phoebos[m]> dw, this channel is your notebook
[2021-06-23T01:48:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> this channel is my blog
[2021-06-23T01:48:43Z] <phoebos[m]> very simple
[2021-06-23T01:48:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> prepare to be faced with irlposts
[2021-06-23T01:48:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> all day every day
[2021-06-23T01:49:17Z] <phoebos[m]> it makes sense, mostly
[2021-06-23T01:49:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> i would imagine
[2021-06-23T01:49:25Z] <phoebos[m]> IRC, that is
[2021-06-23T01:49:27Z] <phoebos[m]> Not you
[2021-06-23T01:49:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> i mean, IRC is just a way to fling ASCII at people
[2021-06-23T01:49:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> wow, rude
[2021-06-23T01:49:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm at least coherent fifty percent of the time
[2021-06-23T01:49:57Z] <phoebos[m]> sure thing
[2021-06-23T01:50:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> >:c
[2021-06-23T01:50:30Z] <phoebos[m]> but yeah, without some kind of subprocess, my client only gets new messages if you hit enter
[2021-06-23T01:50:35Z] <phoebos[m]> :p
[2021-06-23T01:50:53Z] <midfavila> notabug wontfix
[2021-06-23T01:51:19Z] <phoebos[m]> > different nick gets me every time
[2021-06-23T01:51:32Z] <MidFavila> i'm like naruto
[2021-06-23T01:51:33Z] <phoebos[m]> you're everywhere
[2021-06-23T01:51:35Z] <MidFavila> i can make shadow clones
[2021-06-23T01:51:58Z] <midFavila_factor> aw man, it cut off the nick
[2021-06-23T01:52:04Z] <midFavila_factor> well, that's enough of that. 
[2021-06-23T01:52:15Z] <phoebos> two can play at that game
[2021-06-23T01:52:37Z] <midfavila> you can't fool me, phoebos
[2021-06-23T01:52:42Z] <midfavila> i see right through your tricks
[2021-06-23T01:52:50Z] <phoebos[m]> aww
[2021-06-23T01:53:08Z] <midfavila> man, I'll tell you this, though
[2021-06-23T01:53:17Z] <midfavila> getting common lisp programs to run is fucking annoying
[2021-06-23T01:53:30Z] <midfavila> quicklisp is like CPAN
[2021-06-23T01:53:35Z] <midfavila> it has everything you *don't* need
[2021-06-23T01:53:37Z] <phoebos[m]> ugh
[2021-06-23T01:53:55Z] <phoebos[m]> saw you packaged sbcl
[2021-06-23T01:53:59Z] <midfavila> i did indeed
[2021-06-23T01:54:17Z] <phoebos[m]> looks nice
[2021-06-23T01:54:19Z] <midfavila> i might package a binary for it, as well
[2021-06-23T01:54:29Z] <midfavila> just to prevent the need to compile ecl, then sbcl, then sbcl with sbcl
[2021-06-23T01:54:46Z] <phoebos[m]> mhm
[2021-06-23T01:55:00Z] <midfavila> ecl is so fucking slow
[2021-06-23T01:55:05Z] <midfavila> like, it makes sense why
[2021-06-23T01:55:11Z] <midfavila> given it's an *embedded* language
[2021-06-23T01:55:16Z] <midfavila> but still
[2021-06-23T01:55:23Z] <phoebos[m]> cool how sbcl can interpret or compile
[2021-06-23T01:55:29Z] <midfavila> yeah, it's nifty
[2021-06-23T01:55:36Z] <midfavila> compiled program performance is about on-par with C
[2021-06-23T01:55:41Z] <phoebos[m]> does ecl invoke your c compiler
[2021-06-23T01:55:47Z] <midfavila> i don't actually know
[2021-06-23T01:55:48Z] <phoebos[m]> coolio
[2021-06-23T01:55:52Z] <midfavila> i only used ecl for long enough to build sbcl
[2021-06-23T01:56:00Z] <phoebos[m]> lel
[2021-06-23T01:56:05Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2021-06-23T01:56:10Z] <midfavila> most stuff expects sbcl or GNU CLISP
[2021-06-23T01:56:22Z] <midfavila> and sbcl is faster
[2021-06-23T01:56:24Z] <midfavila> so 
[2021-06-23T01:56:33Z] <phoebos[m]> would be surprised if ecl also included a full ass c compiler tbf
[2021-06-23T01:56:50Z] <phoebos[m]> well, not necessarily full ass
[2021-06-23T01:57:46Z] <phoebos[m]> i guess they could compile your lisp to a subset of c
[2021-06-23T01:58:26Z] <midfavila> looks like that's what they do
[2021-06-23T01:59:18Z] <midfavila> hm.
[2021-06-23T01:59:47Z] <midfavila> i almost want to write my daily-use software in C, over LISP, just because UNIX systems already have a C toolchain...
[2021-06-23T02:00:31Z] <phoebos[m]> ecl > Compiles Lisp also with any C/C++ compiler
[2021-06-23T02:00:43Z] <phoebos[m]> makes it sound like they've also got one
[2021-06-23T02:00:49Z] <phoebos[m]> But that's neat
[2021-06-23T02:01:55Z] <midfavila> i might just use common lisp like how people use python
[2021-06-23T02:02:05Z] <midfavila> as a sort of general-purpose scripting language, or w/e
[2021-06-23T02:03:11Z] <phoebos[m]> i'm now interested enough in lisp that i want to learn so much as to understand the buzz words people use about it
[2021-06-23T02:03:35Z] <midfavila> lisp doesn't seem like a very buzzwordy environment
[2021-06-23T02:03:42Z] <midfavila> it's kind of boring, actually :p 
[2021-06-23T02:03:42Z] <phoebos[m]> like wtf does it mean about adding features to the language on-the-fly
[2021-06-23T02:04:05Z] <phoebos[m]> no sure
[2021-06-23T02:04:08Z] <midfavila> oh, that. well, as far as I understand it, it's because lisp treats code and data as the same thing
[2021-06-23T02:04:16Z] <midfavila> so you can just... redefine elements of the language as you choose
[2021-06-23T02:04:28Z] <phoebos[m]> but it's a different approach to programming from the c family
[2021-06-23T02:04:28Z] <midfavila> SICP provides an example of redefining the IF conditional function
[2021-06-23T02:04:32Z] <midfavila> oh, 100%
[2021-06-23T02:04:41Z] <midfavila> C and LISP have absolutely nothing in common 
[2021-06-23T02:04:45Z] <midfavila> beyond they're both programming languages
[2021-06-23T02:05:07Z] <phoebos[m]> lisp is cool
[2021-06-23T02:05:17Z] <midfavila> i want to learn C, LISP and FORTH, since they're all exceptionally different from each other and cover major paradigms quite nicely
[2021-06-23T02:05:39Z] <phoebos[m]> nice
[2021-06-23T02:05:43Z] <phoebos[m]> anyway, i need to sleep
[2021-06-23T02:05:50Z] <midfavila> fair
[2021-06-23T02:05:52Z] <midfavila> see you later then
[2021-06-23T02:06:00Z] <phoebos[m]> argh i want to learn all these languages
[2021-06-23T02:06:13Z] <phoebos[m]> also, my logs have the freenode stuff too now
[2021-06-23T02:06:20Z] <phoebos[m]> snap, acheam
[2021-06-23T02:06:26Z] <phoebos[m]> \o
[2021-06-23T02:45:55Z] <acheam> phoebos[m]: bruh mine have had them since yesterday
[2021-06-23T02:46:00Z] <acheam> get with the program jeez
[2021-06-23T02:57:32Z] <dilyn> phoebos: nothing bad is gonna happen to me :v I'll just go back to having too many projects and putzing around 
[2021-06-23T02:57:45Z] <dilyn> with any luck I'll have a new job after tomorrow tho 
[2021-06-23T03:15:53Z] <acheam> congrats
[2021-06-23T03:15:55Z] <acheam> doing what?
[2021-06-23T03:16:10Z] <acheam> well maybe premature
[2021-06-23T03:16:12Z] <acheam> good luck
[2021-06-23T04:29:45Z] <dilyn> IoT stuff. It sounds very cool 
[2021-06-23T04:30:01Z] <dilyn> tyty. this'll be  the last of five interviews, hopefully (: 
[2021-06-23T04:30:20Z] <schillingklaus> which interviews?
[2021-06-23T04:31:34Z] <schillingklaus> dilyn interviews dylan?
[2021-06-23T04:36:20Z] <acheam> we need a docudrama expose on the life and death of dilyn corner
[2021-06-23T04:36:56Z] <acheam> from his humble baristian beginnings, to his prime days leading KISS, and his fall from grace into IoT
[2021-06-23T04:37:38Z] <acheam> the people deserve to know the truth
[2021-06-23T04:45:21Z] <dilyn> maybe one day :)  
[2021-06-23T04:45:38Z] <dilyn> shillingklaus: new job! switching industries, hopefully
[2021-06-23T04:45:57Z] <dilyn> I imagine it will eat up more of my work-hours than my current job does :X  
[2021-06-23T04:48:02Z] <schillingklaus> as long as the new job is not vice president of RedHat...
[2021-06-23T04:49:54Z] <testuser[m]1> Hi
[2021-06-23T04:50:02Z] <testuser[m]1> middavila try badwolf
[2021-06-23T04:50:06Z] <testuser[m]1> midfavila
[2021-06-23T04:51:52Z] <schillingklaus> can badwolf be operated with the keyboard instead of an enervating clicking mania?
[2021-06-23T04:55:44Z] <testuser[m]1> It has krybindings
[2021-06-23T04:55:53Z] <testuser[m]1> Check the manpage
[2021-06-23T05:22:51Z] <Sweets> .
[2021-06-23T05:23:16Z] <Sweets> calling all gamers
[2021-06-23T05:24:28Z] <Sweets> need help making a decision on window managers. In a hypothetical world where y'all weren't sane people and used manual tiling WMs, would you prefer one that sizes windows based on grid coordinates, or based on screen percentages?
[2021-06-23T09:57:49Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> aaand he's gone
[2021-06-23T09:58:07Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> the answer would have been screen percentages
[2021-06-23T12:05:27Z] <midfavila> oh
[2021-06-23T12:05:34Z] <midfavila> yeah, screen coords
[2021-06-23T12:05:39Z] <midfavila> considering I use a manual tiling wm
[2021-06-23T12:05:41Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2021-06-23T12:06:27Z] <midfavila> testuser[m]1 I'm not willing to use Badwolf. I tried it when it first came out and wasn't that impressed
[2021-06-23T12:15:17Z] <testuser[m]1> Why ?
[2021-06-23T12:34:47Z] <midfavila> more like "why would I be impressed?"
[2021-06-23T12:35:41Z] <midfavila> it's gtk3 and webkit, which immediately presents a gargantuan hurdle, but even ignoring that - it didn't apply GTK themes to elements inside pages, the JS disable button is a meh feature that can be replicated in any browser just by... disabling JS... and beyond that, it didn't seem to have any neat gimmicks.
[2021-06-23T12:36:16Z] <midfavila> pale moon has more features, doesn't have to deal with webkit or gtk3, and it's more efficient
[2021-06-23T12:36:20Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2021-06-23T12:39:39Z] <testuser[m]1> Hmm
[2021-06-23T12:40:26Z] <midfavila> ultimately it's the same problem I have with most webkit browsers
[2021-06-23T12:40:30Z] <midfavila> they're webkit browsers.
[2021-06-23T12:40:52Z] <midfavila> the only reason I'm interested in nyxt is because it's more of a lisp runtime environment that happens to have access to browser engines
[2021-06-23T12:40:57Z] <testuser[m]1> midweb when
[2021-06-23T12:41:07Z] <midfavila> when I learn enough C, Scheme or LISP to program competently
[2021-06-23T12:42:11Z] <midfavila> "midweb - our only feature is a lack of features!"
[2021-06-23T12:42:22Z] <midfavila> perfect.
[2021-06-23T12:43:18Z] <testuser[m]1> Man i just want a browser that can do chromium's force dark-mode on all sites
[2021-06-23T12:43:25Z] <testuser[m]1> Dark reader is super slow
[2021-06-23T12:43:33Z] <midfavila> pale moon can do that
[2021-06-23T12:43:34Z] <midfavila> :^)
[2021-06-23T12:44:06Z] <testuser[m]1> How ?
[2021-06-23T12:44:08Z] <midfavila> there's a plugin that overwrites the site's color scheme to be in line with a "dark mode"
[2021-06-23T12:44:20Z] <testuser[m]1> Link
[2021-06-23T12:44:25Z] <testuser[m]1> Or is it part of palemoon?
[2021-06-23T12:44:30Z] <midfavila> it's on the official site
[2021-06-23T12:44:34Z] <midfavila> i'm about to go make breakfast, so
[2021-06-23T12:45:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> if you wanted to be really big-brain though, you'd just use stylem
[2021-06-23T13:02:56Z] <acheam> testuser[m]1: dark reader isnt that bad if implemented right
[2021-06-23T13:03:24Z] <acheam> depends on how the browser loads extensions, ive heard its really good on opera
[2021-06-23T13:03:34Z] <acheam> but obvs I'm never going to use opera
[2021-06-23T13:04:45Z] * midfavila-laptop mourns the death of Presto
[2021-06-23T13:04:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> they could have open sourced it!
[2021-06-23T13:06:07Z] <acheam> its a real shame
[2021-06-23T13:06:17Z] <omanom> lmao and let plebians like us enjoy it?  
[2021-06-23T13:44:58Z] <acheam> its gawk specific, but cool nonetheless
[2021-06-23T13:45:00Z] <acheam> https://github.com/huijunchen9260/fm.awk
[2021-06-23T13:46:08Z] <dilyn> awk is the new sh 
[2021-06-23T13:46:52Z] <acheam>  https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Spec/AptSign
[2021-06-23T13:47:12Z] <acheam> not applicable to us, but interesting
[2021-06-23T13:49:36Z] <acheam> https://venam.nixers.net/blog/unix/2020/09/14/playing_with_fonts.html
[2021-06-23T14:23:42Z] <phoebos[m]> signify is cool
[2021-06-23T14:24:16Z] <phoebos[m]> it's just a shame that everyone uses pgp
[2021-06-23T14:26:18Z] <konimex> hear hear
[2021-06-23T15:45:52Z] <nerditup> midfavila: do you ever use an IRC bouncer? or do you just log into from multiple devices separately?
[2021-06-23T15:47:45Z] <midfavila> the latter
[2021-06-23T15:47:55Z] <midfavila> bouncer is in the future though
[2021-06-23T15:58:38Z] <nerditup> I'd be curious to know what bouncer you prefer
[2021-06-23T15:58:46Z] <nerditup> I very much dislike ZNC
[2021-06-23T15:58:54Z] <nerditup> but it's what I use right now
[2021-06-23T16:30:49Z] <omanom> nerditup https://git.causal.agency/pounce/about/ pounce was pretty easy to set up, although right now i use TheLounge (hosted on a vps) as a bouncer and web client
[2021-06-23T16:31:36Z] <omanom> pounce is in community btw
[2021-06-23T16:54:48Z] <nerditup> oh nice, I didn't know about pounce
[2021-06-23T16:56:43Z] <nerditup> looks pretty minimal: https://github.com/kiss-community/community/tree/main/community/pounce (for the lazy, me)
[2021-06-23T16:59:28Z] <nerditup> > As a former znc(1) user, I was dissatisfied with the multi-client experience it offered.
[2021-06-23T16:59:33Z] <nerditup> this developer gets me
[2021-06-23T16:59:40Z] <nerditup> thanks for the tip omanom 
[2021-06-23T17:10:44Z] <phoebos[m]> pounce is good
[2021-06-23T17:31:35Z] <acheam> I second pounce
[2021-06-23T17:31:45Z] <acheam> typing at you through it right now
[2021-06-23T17:31:52Z] <acheam> here are two fun little games:
[2021-06-23T17:32:02Z] <acheam> kiss o | wc -l
[2021-06-23T17:33:48Z] <testuser[m]1> Thats 1
[2021-06-23T17:34:11Z] <acheam> I was still drafting the second sorry
[2021-06-23T17:34:43Z] <acheam> find -maxdepth 1 -name '\.*' | head -n -1 | wc -l
[2021-06-23T17:35:26Z] <acheam> I get 59 for kiss o, and 7 for the dotfiles
[2021-06-23T17:36:02Z] <acheam> actually 5 for dotfiles
[2021-06-23T17:36:38Z] <omanom> 71, 43
[2021-06-23T17:36:48Z] <acheam> Jesus, 43?
[2021-06-23T17:36:59Z] <omanom> i ahve a bunch of .xorgrdp.log files that are cluttering things up look slike
[2021-06-23T17:37:04Z] <acheam> ah
[2021-06-23T17:45:18Z] <ang> 57, 9
[2021-06-23T17:45:36Z] <ang> I have most of my stuff in .config
[2021-06-23T17:47:21Z] <ang> you could have done `set -- .[!.]*; echo $#` instead of find
[2021-06-23T17:47:22Z] <ang> smh
[2021-06-23T17:52:07Z] <nerditup> pure POSIX shell only!
[2021-06-23T17:52:27Z] <nerditup> echo > printf :) 
[2021-06-23T17:55:04Z] <ang> echo is posix, you just shouldn't use it with options or variables which might start with a dash, because implementations vary wildly
[2021-06-23T17:55:47Z] <midfavila> printf is superior to echo because echo can have undefined behavior
[2021-06-23T17:56:20Z] <midfavila> iirc the classic example is that gnu echo freaks out if you tell it to echo something that starts with a dash
[2021-06-23T17:57:07Z] <ang> it just takes it as an option, like any other utility would
[2021-06-23T17:57:26Z] <midfavila> if you include it in quotes, it still has problems. that's the issue.
[2021-06-23T17:57:36Z] <nerditup> I figured printf is a shell builtin and echo isn't, I guess I am mistaken
[2021-06-23T17:57:39Z] <midfavila> so like, suckless echo can handle "-h", but gnu echo can't
[2021-06-23T17:57:49Z] <midfavila> if you ever want to check, nerditup, you can always use which
[2021-06-23T17:57:50Z] <ang> ls "-l", try that
[2021-06-23T17:57:54Z] <ang> that's just normal behaviour
[2021-06-23T17:58:08Z] <ang> depends on shell, nerditup
[2021-06-23T17:58:21Z] <ang> oksh has echo build in, but not printf
[2021-06-23T17:58:54Z] <ang> you want to use type, not which
[2021-06-23T18:04:02Z] <kimerus> Hey guys
[2021-06-23T18:04:14Z] <kimerus> what do you use for pdf reader?
[2021-06-23T18:04:36Z] <kimerus> just zathura?
[2021-06-23T18:04:47Z] <kimerus> i looking for zathura options
[2021-06-23T18:05:06Z] <kimerus> alternatives if exist
[2021-06-23T18:05:16Z] <kimerus> minal and lighweight
[2021-06-23T18:05:31Z] <ang> I use the very lightweight firefox
[2021-06-23T18:05:44Z] <kimerus> lol
[2021-06-23T18:05:49Z] <noocsharp> i believe mupdf is lighterweight than zathura
[2021-06-23T18:05:52Z] <noocsharp> but i use zathura
[2021-06-23T18:06:12Z] <kimerus> yeah i see it i thinking in do a package of mupdf
[2021-06-23T18:07:07Z] <noocsharp> but the nice thing is zathura can deal with djvu or cb or whatever you want basically
[2021-06-23T18:07:35Z] <kimerus> Yeah, but i just use for pdf only
[2021-06-23T18:07:59Z] <noocsharp> yeah, then mupdf is my recommendation
[2021-06-23T18:11:36Z] <acheam> zathura can use either mupdf or poppler
[2021-06-23T18:12:52Z] <acheam> mupdf has more dependencies which is why I dont use it
[2021-06-23T18:27:24Z] <kimerus> Yeah
[2021-06-23T18:27:25Z] <kimerus> I see it
[2021-06-23T18:27:35Z] <kimerus> Same depends basically but with some extras
[2021-06-23T18:27:40Z] <kimerus> Like glu
[2021-06-23T19:00:01Z] <dilyn> *sigh* http://0x0.st/-9RY.txt 
[2021-06-23T19:02:58Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> kimerus: same as ang here, why install a dedicated PDF reader when you already have one bundled with your browser
[2021-06-23T19:04:05Z] <kimerus> Good question
[2021-06-23T19:04:07Z] <acheam> dilyn: oof
[2021-06-23T19:04:28Z] <acheam> because not all of use browsers with a bundled PDF reader :)
[2021-06-23T19:04:40Z] <kimerus> Sometimes i just need zathura or some pdf in side 
[2021-06-23T19:04:51Z] <kimerus> I use firefox in case
[2021-06-23T19:05:02Z] <kimerus> But is for just not know a better privacy option
[2021-06-23T19:05:32Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> acheam: it's been a long time since I looked at alternative browsers, which one are you using ? 
[2021-06-23T19:05:40Z] <acheam> chorizo
[2021-06-23T19:09:00Z] <kimerus> Never heard about it
[2021-06-23T19:09:08Z] <kimerus> Good privacy option?
[2021-06-23T19:09:33Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> on the one hand, it's description sounds nice to me. On the other one, it's yet another webkit-based browser :/
[2021-06-23T19:10:09Z] <kimerus> What the problem with webkit?
[2021-06-23T19:11:40Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> it's everywhere
[2021-06-23T19:12:03Z] <kimerus> Yeah
[2021-06-23T19:12:09Z] <kimerus> But other option
[2021-06-23T19:12:13Z] <kimerus> Qtwebengine
[2021-06-23T19:12:22Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> so webdevs stop testing with other rendering engines
[2021-06-23T19:12:35Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> and we are back to the "Designed for IE" days :/
[2021-06-23T19:12:48Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> with a _much_ better replacement for IE
[2021-06-23T19:12:48Z] <kimerus> And what i read about qtweb is prettt buggy in privacy
[2021-06-23T19:13:28Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> so sad firefox engine can't easily be ripped of the warts 
[2021-06-23T19:14:00Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> and that opera never open sourced it's engine when they dropped Presto :/
[2021-06-23T19:15:09Z] <claudia> I have found jfbview, a framebuffer pdfviewer which is low in dependecies. https://github.com/jichu4n/jfbview
[2021-06-23T19:18:03Z] <acheam> Erus_Iluvatar: I think WebKit is reasonably unique
[2021-06-23T19:18:17Z] <acheam> webengine was forked what, 8 years ago?
[2021-06-23T19:18:31Z] <acheam> there's only one major WebKit browser, safari
[2021-06-23T19:20:28Z] <kimerus> What extensios chorizo support?
[2021-06-23T19:22:32Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> acheam: is chrom{e,ium}'s Blink that far of of WebKit these days ? 
[2021-06-23T19:26:10Z] <GalaxyNova> chromium is just wayyyy faster than anything else I tried
[2021-06-23T19:27:27Z] <acheam> kimerus: WebKit extensions
[2021-06-23T19:28:11Z] <acheam> https://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkit2gtk/stable/WebKitWebExtension.html
[2021-06-23T19:28:20Z] <acheam> and user scripts/styles
[2021-06-23T19:28:36Z] <claudia02> new wlroots 0.14.0 is out. They seem to depend on libseat now and removed the direct backend.(sgid on input?) :(
[2021-06-23T19:29:30Z] <claudia02> kimerus: there are 2 adlock extensions for webkit.
[2021-06-23T19:30:07Z] <midfavila> real chads use DNS to black-hole undesirables
[2021-06-23T19:30:15Z] <dilyn> ack noooo
[2021-06-23T19:30:27Z] <dilyn> now I *have* to fiddle with my seat management? smh 
[2021-06-23T19:30:38Z] <midfavila> >uses kiss
[2021-06-23T19:30:39Z] <midfavila> >complains about having to fiddle
[2021-06-23T19:30:48Z] <midfavila> s m h my head
[2021-06-23T19:31:01Z] <dilyn> I just want to sleep :'(  
[2021-06-23T19:31:10Z] <midfavila> dew it tomorrow then, nerd
[2021-06-23T19:31:17Z] <claudia02> dilyn: libseat just worked when I tried it. Actually no fiddling rquiered.
[2021-06-23T19:31:21Z] <kimerus> claudia02: you mean weyadblock?(dont know how to text this fucking name)
[2021-06-23T19:31:25Z] <dilyn> but muh bleeding edge
[2021-06-23T19:31:35Z] <dilyn> claudia02: I imagine it isn't hard, I just don't wanaaaaaaaa
[2021-06-23T19:31:44Z] <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-97-.c
[2021-06-23T19:31:44Z] <midfavila> in unrelated news, I have hacked together another criminally-formatted program
[2021-06-23T19:31:59Z] <midfavila> surprisingly, it works
[2021-06-23T19:32:11Z] <claudia02> kimerus: yes wyeb(adblock) and blockit(rust)
[2021-06-23T19:32:38Z] <dilyn> allign your comments, you monster
[2021-06-23T19:32:45Z] <midfavila> yes, I know
[2021-06-23T19:33:57Z] <claudia02> Going after this commit https://github.com/swaywm/wlroots/pull/2839 sourced their seat managment out to libseat. Because they dont want to deal with it or so.
[2021-06-23T19:35:54Z] <midfavila> dilyn what would you say if I named my variables and functions using non-printing characters
[2021-06-23T19:36:18Z] <midfavila> would that improve my formatting
[2021-06-23T19:38:45Z] <dilyn> code in emojis. welcome to the 21st century 
[2021-06-23T19:40:30Z] * midfavila vomits
[2021-06-23T19:46:48Z] <midfavila> fr though, if you write programs using emoji, you deserve to be immolated.
[2021-06-23T19:47:00Z] <midfavila> just, you know, so everyone knows. that's on the record now.
[2021-06-23T19:52:25Z] * Erus_Iluvatar would love to see "bool my_🎸_gently_wheeps = True ; while(my_🎸_gently_wheeps) { foo }"
[2021-06-23T19:52:53Z] * midfavila gets the shotgun, takes Erus out back
[2021-06-23T19:53:26Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> I mean when you already have UTF-8 encoding for your source
[2021-06-23T19:53:35Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> might as well have fun with it 
[2021-06-23T19:53:49Z] <midfavila> 1) no
[2021-06-23T19:53:59Z] <midfavila> 2) ASCII should be used if UTF-8 isn't needed
[2021-06-23T19:55:10Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> Yup, but as soon as UTF-8 _is_ needed, everything goes
[2021-06-23T19:55:22Z] <midfavila> disagree
[2021-06-23T19:55:47Z] <GalaxyNova> 😀
[2021-06-23T19:56:18Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> On the one hand, I can't find a good reason to have a source as anything other than ASCII
[2021-06-23T19:56:49Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> but on the other, once you have picked your poison, why not abuse it ? 
[2021-06-23T19:57:16Z] <GalaxyNova> what  about the emojis
[2021-06-23T19:57:48Z] <acheam> code should handle utf8 but be written in ascii
[2021-06-23T19:58:04Z] <acheam> that being said, the document should be encoded as utf8
[2021-06-23T19:58:10Z] <claudia> name your variables just dilyn1 dilyn2 dilyn3
[2021-06-23T19:58:13Z] <acheam> for people using foreign language comments, etc
[2021-06-23T19:58:15Z] <acheam> IMO
[2021-06-23T20:00:44Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> yeah, getting russian to fit in ASCII will not work :P
[2021-06-23T20:06:24Z] <dilyn> russian, where everything is a capital letter 
[2021-06-23T20:06:40Z] <midfavila> is that why russian sounds so angry
[2021-06-23T20:06:42Z] <midfavila> :thinking:
[2021-06-23T20:06:44Z] <midfavila> perpetual screaming
[2021-06-23T20:06:49Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> what ? no
[2021-06-23T20:09:10Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> Wait, yeah looking at the letters most look quite similar as upper or lower case
[2021-06-23T20:11:27Z] <dilyn> typed russian was always capital, I thought? 
[2021-06-23T20:11:32Z] <dilyn> handwritten it's all cursive. very painful. 
[2021-06-23T20:12:45Z] <GalaxyNova> all letters are equal
[2021-06-23T20:13:37Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> dilyn: AIUI no, look at Б and б
[2021-06-23T20:13:48Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> The first it the uppercase for B
[2021-06-23T20:13:53Z] <dilyn> HM
[2021-06-23T20:13:54Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> the other is for lowercase b
[2021-06-23T20:13:55Z] <dilyn> i was mislead
[2021-06-23T20:14:51Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> but yeah, look at most letters : Лл, Мм, Нн, Оо, etc...
[2021-06-23T20:15:10Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> there _is_ a difference, but it's easy to overlook
[2021-06-23T20:16:08Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> GalaxyNova: letters are communist then ? :D
[2021-06-23T20:16:27Z] <GalaxyNova> exactly xD
[2021-06-23T20:18:01Z] <midfavila> �
[2021-06-23T20:18:06Z] <midfavila> this is the only letter in russian, obviously
[2021-06-23T20:18:10Z] <midfavila> perfectly equal in all ways
[2021-06-23T20:18:17Z] <midfavila> a true komrad's script.
[2021-06-23T20:18:28Z] <midfavila> some words are just more equal than others.
[2021-06-23T20:18:37Z] * midfavila nods
[2021-06-23T21:31:26Z] <riteo> hiiiii!
[2021-06-23T22:00:30Z] <riteo> do you guys think that storing relatively long strings into shell variables for scripting is a bad thing?
[2021-06-23T22:28:01Z] <kernelc_> illiliti: latest version of tinyramfs's luks.init hook doesn't work for me, I got error "Device  does not exist or access denied."
[2021-06-23T22:34:54Z] <kernelc_> Version from commit cab221b1c92867aa12267aa3bdffad002364e6d4, and modified https://0x0.st/-9hS.diff works
[2021-06-23T22:51:58Z] <illiliti> kernelc_: the error was caused due to `--`, right?
[2021-06-23T22:58:42Z] <kernelc_> illiliti: just removing '--' didn't helped :(
[2021-06-23T23:00:01Z] <kernelc_> I don't know what is causing it, including only one of each of delated in diff lines caused crash too
[2021-06-23T23:33:31Z] <acheam> why is gnugrep called gnugrep, but patch, less, etc just called patch, less in community