[2021-09-11T00:53:36Z] <midfavila-laptop> >terry quote
[2021-09-11T00:53:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> based
[2021-09-11T00:54:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> although I feel like a number of people have said such things. anyway what are you dweebs up to
[2021-09-11T00:57:57Z] <dilyn> discovered that the chromium snap disables wayland support and doesn't support pipewire so it doesn't have access to webrtc's pipewire capture feature 
[2021-09-11T00:58:03Z] <dilyn> so i'm going to build my own snap...
[2021-09-11T00:58:13Z] <dilyn> so i'm setting up qemu with ubuntu kekw
[2021-09-11T00:59:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> >ubuntu
[2021-09-11T00:59:31Z] <midfavila-laptop> >snaps
[2021-09-11T00:59:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> why do you forsake the true path dilyn
[2021-09-11T01:00:11Z] <dilyn> > https://github.com/dilyn-corner
[2021-09-11T01:00:13Z] <dilyn> your face when
[2021-09-11T01:00:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> blocked and reported
[2021-09-11T01:00:35Z] <dilyn> f
[2021-09-11T01:03:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> ebay is recommending me veggietales after buying euler's elements of algebra
[2021-09-11T01:03:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> i feel personally attacked
[2021-09-11T01:19:14Z] <noocsharp> imagine paying for a book written by a dead person
[2021-09-11T01:23:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> i prefer owning physical books. 
[2021-09-11T01:23:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> no bully.
[2021-09-11T01:25:57Z] <noocsharp> fair
[2021-09-11T01:26:09Z] <noocsharp> probably a good idea to have physical copies for when civilization collapses
[2021-09-11T01:28:46Z] <midfavila-laptop> implying i'm not going to hand-wire a Z80-based computer with access to plaintext copies of every known cultural and scientific work of mankind via a decentralized peer-to-peer radio network
[2021-09-11T01:28:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> but yes physical books are very convenient
[2021-09-11T01:29:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'd like to spend more time reading, but alas, i'm in the midst of moving, so all my textbooks are packed
[2021-09-11T01:29:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> and it's a royal pain to do my usual exercises on my tiny laptop screen
[2021-09-11T01:32:14Z] <noocsharp> unfortunately decentralized peer-to-peer radio networks require peers
[2021-09-11T01:32:57Z] <dilyn> how safe do you imagine libraries would be in an apocalypse...
[2021-09-11T01:32:59Z] <dilyn> :thinking:
[2021-09-11T01:33:28Z] <midfavila-laptop> i mean
[2021-09-11T01:33:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> probably fairly
[2021-09-11T01:33:46Z] <midfavila-laptop> depends on the construction of your library but I imagine they'd be easily defensible
[2021-09-11T01:33:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> large enough to house a decent number of people, grow a small amount of food, etc
[2021-09-11T01:34:28Z] <midfavila-laptop> and it's mundane so I don't think most people would be interested in shakespearean literature when they're trying to find the world's last twinkie
[2021-09-11T01:34:32Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs
[2021-09-11T01:35:11Z] <dilyn> if my high school experience taught me anything, most surviving teens would burn it for the lulz and because 'reading is dum' 
[2021-09-11T01:35:13Z] <dilyn> :'(  
[2021-09-11T01:35:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> that's disappointing. 
[2021-09-11T01:36:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> I've always figured that the first places I would go in the event of societal collapse would be a museum followed by a library. 
[2021-09-11T01:36:55Z] <noocsharp> we should launch a bunch of satellites containing important books, and put them into orbits that have a high chance of colliding with earth in 10000 years
[2021-09-11T01:37:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> >tfw your last hope for preserving human culture lands in the middle of the ocean
[2021-09-11T01:38:00Z] <noocsharp> maybe it'll float to land
[2021-09-11T01:39:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> also there's the slight assumption that people are still literate
[2021-09-11T01:40:04Z] <noocsharp> include that thing they put on voyager that explains how sounds correspond to letters
[2021-09-11T01:40:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> man all these fucking soydevs on github steal my totally cool and original program names
[2021-09-11T01:40:14Z] <midfavila-laptop> this is bullshit
[2021-09-11T01:40:15Z] <noocsharp> and a dictionary
[2021-09-11T01:42:09Z] <noocsharp> like what?
[2021-09-11T01:42:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> i was going to write a text editor and call it scribe
[2021-09-11T01:42:45Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm still going to write a text editor but now it will probably not be called scribe
[2021-09-11T01:43:44Z] <noocsharp> tbh it's your fault for not expecting scribe to already be taken
[2021-09-11T01:43:47Z] <acheam> oh hi midfavila-laptop 
[2021-09-11T01:43:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> i didn't entirely expect it to not be taken
[2021-09-11T01:43:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> there's like 1500 text editors on shithub
[2021-09-11T01:43:59Z] <midfavila-laptop> hi acheam
[2021-09-11T01:44:02Z] <acheam> thank you for calling my quote choice based
[2021-09-11T01:44:26Z] <acheam> scribe is a good name
[2021-09-11T01:44:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> it would be more based if it was a terry original
[2021-09-11T01:44:34Z] <acheam> oh?
[2021-09-11T01:44:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> like the bird quote
[2021-09-11T01:44:42Z] <acheam> eh
[2021-09-11T01:44:46Z] <acheam> he still said it maybe
[2021-09-11T01:44:55Z] <acheam> i found it on some blog
[2021-09-11T01:45:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> i feel like it was actually einstein 
[2021-09-11T01:45:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> smh my damn head
[2021-09-11T01:45:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> not even attributing quotes properly
[2021-09-11T01:45:19Z] <acheam> for program names, I just call mine really genericly
[2021-09-11T01:45:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> i like to anthropomorphize mine in some manner, or name them after tools
[2021-09-11T01:45:41Z] <acheam> and just assume that people will refer to it as "acheam's calendar"
[2021-09-11T01:45:43Z] <acheam> or something
[2021-09-11T01:45:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> for example, I intend to write a system tray called Platter
[2021-09-11T01:45:54Z] <acheam> i like that
[2021-09-11T01:45:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> because Platter serves icons promptly
[2021-09-11T01:45:56Z] * midfavila-laptop nods
[2021-09-11T01:46:11Z] <acheam> i guess for my thing to work well, you need a unified online persona
[2021-09-11T01:46:16Z] <dilyn> > scribe
[2021-09-11T01:46:16Z] <acheam> not the many names by which I go
[2021-09-11T01:46:19Z] <midfavila-laptop> you need a *brand*
[2021-09-11T01:46:20Z] <dilyn> rename it scribd
[2021-09-11T01:46:24Z] <acheam> lmao
[2021-09-11T01:46:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> scribeded
[2021-09-11T01:46:34Z] <acheam> be fancy and use some french word
[2021-09-11T01:46:49Z] <acheam> good way to test your poonicode support
[2021-09-11T01:46:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> just because I'm canadian doesn't mean I speak french
[2021-09-11T01:46:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> smh my damn head
[2021-09-11T01:46:58Z] <acheam> your not just canadian
[2021-09-11T01:47:01Z] <dilyn> sxribe
[2021-09-11T01:47:05Z] <acheam> your /east/ candadian
[2021-09-11T01:47:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> figured you would be above stereotypes acheam
[2021-09-11T01:47:13Z] <dilyn> has an x, must be french 
[2021-09-11T01:47:23Z] <cumin[m]> "smh" means shake my head...fyi
[2021-09-11T01:47:37Z] <dilyn> i think tha'ts the yoke
[2021-09-11T01:47:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> wow thanks cumin I didn't know that
[2021-09-11T01:47:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> your commentary is so insightful
[2021-09-11T01:48:38Z] <cumin[m]> midfavila-laptop: I'm not trying to flame you
[2021-09-11T01:48:42Z] <cumin[m]> I was just trying to let you know
[2021-09-11T01:48:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> - w-
[2021-09-11T01:49:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> anyway yeah I've been thinking of a bunch of tools I want to try and implement as side-projects. i've been thinking of trying to write a simple replacement for curl called courier, for example. a session manager would also be nice
[2021-09-11T01:49:59Z] <midfavila-laptop> just little things. 
[2021-09-11T01:49:59Z] <noocsharp> tfw musl is missing syscall numbers
[2021-09-11T01:50:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> would also be nice to write an sftp client for dropbear
[2021-09-11T01:50:36Z] <acheam> midfavila using sftp?
[2021-09-11T01:50:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> i know
[2021-09-11T01:50:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> a scandal
[2021-09-11T01:50:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> but it's true
[2021-09-11T01:50:49Z] <acheam> but hwhy
[2021-09-11T01:51:02Z] <acheam> seriously though, whats the point of sftp
[2021-09-11T01:51:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> the ssh->scp workflow is legitimately a pain in my ass
[2021-09-11T01:51:12Z] <acheam> rsync
[2021-09-11T01:51:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> no
[2021-09-11T01:51:26Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-09-11T01:51:28Z] <midfavila-laptop> imagine actually thinking I would do something sane
[2021-09-11T01:52:00Z] <acheam> openssh upstream has already made sftp a part of the scp command
[2021-09-11T01:52:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> i don't have any interest in using openssh
[2021-09-11T01:52:14Z] <acheam> (because screw unix philosiphy, amirite)
[2021-09-11T01:52:16Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs
[2021-09-11T01:52:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm slowly but surely mutilating my fork of the KISS repos from a while back
[2021-09-11T01:52:49Z] <acheam> nice
[2021-09-11T01:53:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> so far we've only increased the base install size by a factor of around fifteen :^)
[2021-09-11T01:53:26Z] <dilyn> that's gnu for you 
[2021-09-11T01:53:33Z] <acheam> we need a middle ground between openssh and dropbear IMO
[2021-09-11T01:53:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> the only GNU is sed and like
[2021-09-11T01:53:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> binutils and gcc
[2021-09-11T01:53:45Z] <acheam> something thats openssh-key compatible, but much less bloated
[2021-09-11T01:54:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> if I used -box style executables it'd be a lot smaller but size isn't my primary concern
[2021-09-11T01:54:02Z] <acheam> for the average user, who doesn't need X11 forwarding and other random stuff
[2021-09-11T01:54:14Z] <midfavila-laptop> "bro just don't use it bro"
[2021-09-11T01:54:45Z] <acheam> the sed landscape is sadly barren
[2021-09-11T01:54:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> it really is
[2021-09-11T01:54:56Z] <dilyn> sed is hard
[2021-09-11T01:55:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> once I work through some of my textbooks I intend to write my own complete userland
[2021-09-11T01:55:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> including sed and such
[2021-09-11T01:55:07Z] <acheam> yeah I wouldn't want to work on implementing it
[2021-09-11T01:55:24Z] <acheam> okay, i'm off for the night, got a big standardized test tomorrow
[2021-09-11T01:55:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> my autism cannot be quelled
[2021-09-11T01:55:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> my righteous fury against GNU will be known
[2021-09-11T01:55:34Z] <acheam> this is the first time i've logged off before seeing testuser[m]'s "hi" :(
[2021-09-11T01:55:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> have fun with your multiple choice quiz acheam
[2021-09-11T01:55:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> and all the fancy book lernins
[2021-09-11T01:55:56Z] <acheam> why thank you, midfavila-laptop 
[2021-09-11T01:56:05Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm sure it's very educational
[2021-09-11T01:56:14Z] <dilyn> good luck acheam!
[2021-09-11T01:58:05Z] <noocsharp> is it SAT time already?
[2021-09-11T01:58:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> what even is the SAT anyway? there's nothing like it in canada
[2021-09-11T01:59:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> i vaguely recall it has something to do with getting into post secondary.
[2021-09-11T01:59:13Z] <dilyn> just a competency test basically 
[2021-09-11T01:59:16Z] <dilyn> english math bla 
[2021-09-11T01:59:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> pretty cringe. 
[2021-09-11T01:59:30Z] <dilyn> a lot of west-coast post-secondary education requires an SAT score 
[2021-09-11T01:59:34Z] <dilyn> not so much on the east-coast 
[2021-09-11T01:59:43Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs
[2021-09-11T01:59:44Z] <dilyn> (they want an ACT tho, roughly similar but different) 
[2021-09-11T02:00:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> that reminds me I need to see if I can challenge the entry requirements for my local university
[2021-09-11T02:00:15Z] <noocsharp> schools require it less and less nowadays
[2021-09-11T02:00:36Z] <dilyn> that's good
[2021-09-11T02:00:40Z] <dilyn> sat should be phased out 
[2021-09-11T02:00:50Z] <dilyn> same with act. my score was amazing, and i got nothing for it :'(  
[2021-09-11T02:01:05Z] <dilyn> no scholarships and a blazingly fast acceptance letter to a mediocre state school. wooooooo
[2021-09-11T02:02:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'd rather go to my provincial university than the private college I'm at now
[2021-09-11T02:02:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> every day makes me want to shoot myself. it's so bad.
[2021-09-11T02:03:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> like, last week, right, the instructor just... didn't show up. at all.
[2021-09-11T02:03:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> just... because. 
[2021-09-11T02:03:24Z] <noocsharp> tf kinda private college is that
[2021-09-11T02:03:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> a shitty one.
[2021-09-11T02:04:03Z] <noocsharp> why is linux giving me syscall not implemented
[2021-09-11T02:04:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> the thing that drives me up the wall the most about it though is that they take vendor-neutral tech and then only teach the MS version of it
[2021-09-11T02:04:44Z] <noocsharp> i have to use discord for a class :<
[2021-09-11T02:04:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> my college makes me use discord >.>;
[2021-09-11T02:04:59Z] <midfavila-laptop> on a issued chromebook no less
[2021-09-11T02:05:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> i should have taken my grant and studied independently
[2021-09-11T02:06:08Z] <noocsharp> they let you do that?
[2021-09-11T02:06:23Z] <midfavila-laptop> in my case I was offered three choices
[2021-09-11T02:06:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> 1) apprentice as a lab assistant at a local lab
[2021-09-11T02:06:45Z] <midfavila-laptop> 2) study for four years independently
[2021-09-11T02:06:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> 3) attend post secondary education
[2021-09-11T02:06:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> i wanted the first, but then muh coof happened
[2021-09-11T02:07:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> and at that point I had less than a week to either apply and be accepted into a college or develop a four-year curriculum for myself
[2021-09-11T02:07:22Z] <dilyn> noocsharp: that seems self-evident
[2021-09-11T02:07:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> so for once in my life I took the advice of my elders and just went to college
[2021-09-11T02:07:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> and i've regretted it ever since
[2021-09-11T02:07:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> fucking millenials
[2021-09-11T02:07:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> smh
[2021-09-11T02:08:57Z] <noocsharp> so it goes
[2021-09-11T02:09:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> fortunately I was told that if I can't find a job out of college and spend the four months between this year's funding ending and the next beginning studying effectively, they'll fund independent study 
[2021-09-11T02:10:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> and since literally nobody in my city is hiring unix administrators
[2021-09-11T02:10:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> kind of a lucky break I guess
[2021-09-11T02:10:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> ...well, except the military and a nuclear facility.
[2021-09-11T02:13:14Z] <rio6> aren't those kind of jobs usually remote?
[2021-09-11T02:21:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> some of it can be remote,  but if you're administering a machine and a hard drive fails or what have you, it helps to be on-site
[2021-09-11T02:36:35Z] <noocsharp> that's what robots are for
[2021-09-11T02:37:19Z] <dilyn> that's what apprentices, assistants, and junior admins are for 
[2021-09-11T02:37:46Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm just fucking dreading the four-month placement I have to do as part of my coursework
[2021-09-11T02:37:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> they're probably going to dump me at a windows shop and I'm gonna look like even more of a dumbass than usual
[2021-09-11T02:42:55Z] <rio6> I had to use windows to code at my work, and after some time I found myself writing code using vim and mingw
[2021-09-11T02:44:14Z] <midfavila-laptop> i just hate how windows is a) slow as fuck and b) wants everything to be done in some special Windows Way:tm:
[2021-09-11T02:44:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> like, no, I'm not using your vendor-specific technology when standardized stuff works better and is easier to set up and use. fuck off redmond
[2021-09-11T03:12:30Z] <noocsharp> are all the packages considered implicit dependencies documented somewhere?
[2021-09-11T03:13:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> i would assume core/ is implicit
[2021-09-11T03:13:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm *still* cleaning up after people who listed fuckin' curl or libressl as deps in their packages in my fork... 
[2021-09-11T03:14:28Z] <noocsharp> libressl is not implicit
[2021-09-11T03:14:33Z] <noocsharp> nor is openssl
[2021-09-11T03:15:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> i don't particularly care about the current state of kiss. note when I said *my* fork. it was of an earlier set of KISS repos.
[2021-09-11T03:16:01Z] <noocsharp> well i was providing a counterexample to your assertion that core is implicit
[2021-09-11T04:12:26Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-09-11T04:41:26Z] <dilyn> https://github.com/kiss-community/community/issues/197 :)  
[2021-09-11T04:42:07Z] <dilyn> noocsharp: i've said it a few times, I had it written down somewhere 
[2021-09-11T04:42:48Z] <dilyn> assumed dependencies are things like make, musl, binutils, gcc, busybox
[2021-09-11T04:42:54Z] <rio6> I really need a repology watcher script to notify me
[2021-09-11T04:43:11Z] <dilyn> toolchain things, basically. unless a specific toolchain thing is required (excluding make)
[2021-09-11T04:43:52Z] <dilyn> so for instance, if it REQUIRES llvm to build (mesa), specify. make is special because most everything requires make, at the very least everything else on that list requires make :)  
[2021-09-11T04:44:57Z] <dilyn> busybox is a weird one because it is just a stand-in for "core unix utilities" so sbase/ubase/toybox/awk/sed/grep/etc are allowed to be assumed, UNLESS you require a specific implementation (gnu patch, bash)
[2021-09-11T04:45:23Z] <dilyn> rio6: i feel yah; i've basically orphaned almost all of my community packages
[2021-09-11T04:45:42Z] <dilyn> you could use cron to populate a list once a week 
[2021-09-11T04:46:32Z] <dilyn> you can assume pigz because it only provides a gzip utility, but you can't assume bzip2 and xz because they provide libraries 
[2021-09-11T04:46:37Z] <dilyn> (and zlib) 
[2021-09-11T04:46:58Z] <rio6> does repology not take community repos? I forget if that was the reason why it was removed from it
[2021-09-11T04:48:07Z] <dilyn> grub can't be assumed (obviously), openssl because libcrypto can be provided by at least two things, linux-headers because it's only ever a make dep, bison/m4/flex because lexer et al aren't special (byacc vs bison, for instance); baseinit/baselayout aren't dependencies of anything (except a bootable system but... well...); curl is a dep of kiss;
[2021-09-11T04:48:07Z] <dilyn> git is just a stand-in for generic vcs
[2021-09-11T04:48:32Z] <dilyn> repology stopped tracking KISS repositories because of the change dylan made to the package format
[2021-09-11T04:48:41Z] <dilyn> it was never supposed to track community maintained repos, just official ones 
[2021-09-11T04:48:50Z] <dilyn> (official in that it was maintained by dylan for KISS) 
[2021-09-11T04:50:15Z] <rio6> such an inconvenience
[2021-09-11T04:50:57Z] <dilyn> lmao 
[2021-09-11T04:50:59Z] <dilyn> https://github.com/moduluslinux/blx this is neat
[2021-09-11T04:51:06Z] <noocsharp> `kiss outdated` works still
[2021-09-11T04:51:12Z] <dilyn> ^
[2021-09-11T04:51:52Z] <noocsharp> btw thanks for the list dilyn
[2021-09-11T04:52:05Z] <dilyn> ofc
[2021-09-11T04:53:13Z] <noocsharp> im gonna see if its feasible to use landlock to do dependency checking
[2021-09-11T06:06:06Z] <dilyn> hmhm people don't get notified when I edit an issue and tag them in it, do they
[2021-09-11T06:06:38Z] <dilyn> testuser[m]: did you get a notification from github on this last edit? 
[2021-09-11T06:16:13Z] <testuser[m]> Yeah
[2021-09-11T06:17:02Z] <dilyn> ah, cool cool cool
[2021-09-11T06:19:49Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn: how often does qtwebengine rebase
[2021-09-11T06:20:28Z] <dilyn> they rebase with every release but since qt5 is being maintained by kde and I don't think they're pushing point releases... I have no idea
[2021-09-11T06:23:19Z] <dilyn> it looks like they last rebased when chromium hit 90, so not often lmao 
[2021-09-11T06:23:24Z] <dilyn> they apply CVEs and stuff
[2021-09-11T06:23:38Z] <testuser[m]> bruh
[2021-09-11T06:23:40Z] <dilyn> at least, alpine uses https://invent.kde.org/qt/qt/qtwebengine-chromium/-/tree/90-based, which is what i would consider the accurate approach 
[2021-09-11T11:32:00Z] <aws> Anyone here tried IRCv3 ?
[2021-09-11T14:13:31Z] <phoebos> dilyn: https://tmp.bvnf.space/0001.patch
[2021-09-11T15:54:24Z] <dilyn> thanks!
[2021-09-11T16:00:13Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn nss is giving me a checksum mismatch, downloaded 2 times
[2021-09-11T16:00:33Z] <testuser[m]> did you use b3sum again :p
[2021-09-11T16:01:00Z] <dilyn> god dammit
[2021-09-11T16:01:51Z] <dilyn> see and this is why i don't want to maintain community packages XD
[2021-09-11T16:02:01Z] <dilyn> i need a whole chroot environment so I don't miss everything smdh 
[2021-09-11T16:07:16Z] <testuser[m]> bruh why is nss junk so huge
[2021-09-11T16:17:23Z] <dilyn> securidae
[2021-09-11T17:32:53Z] <noocsharp> netsurf usable when
[2021-09-11T17:33:36Z] <phoebos> https://drewdevault.com/2021/09/11/visurf-announcement.html
[2021-09-11T17:36:23Z] <testuser[m]> Bruh his prayer was instantly answered
[2021-09-11T17:36:50Z] <dilyn> :O  :O  :O  
[2021-09-11T17:36:51Z] <dilyn> holy shit gimme
[2021-09-11T17:43:28Z] <dilyn> god i just can't get qemu to work ever
[2021-09-11T17:43:33Z] <dilyn> last time must've been a fluke 
[2021-09-11T17:43:37Z] <dilyn> why didn't I save that build smdh 
[2021-09-11T17:44:22Z] <acheam> i dont get why this is so desirable
[2021-09-11T17:44:42Z] <dilyn> because it's a nonchromium browser that isn't firefox on wayland
[2021-09-11T17:45:05Z] <acheam> how is netsurf better than links or lynx though?
[2021-09-11T17:45:30Z] <phoebos> better css support I'd imagine
[2021-09-11T17:45:44Z] <acheam> I sppose
[2021-09-11T17:45:46Z] <phoebos> but not really important for me
[2021-09-11T17:45:46Z] <dilyn> neither of those are graphical
[2021-09-11T17:45:51Z] <acheam> links -g
[2021-09-11T17:45:54Z] <phoebos> links 
[2021-09-11T17:45:55Z] <dilyn> ...
[2021-09-11T17:45:57Z] <acheam> but yeah I know what you mean
[2021-09-11T17:46:01Z] <dilyn> what now
[2021-09-11T17:46:16Z] <acheam> its just not /that/ huge of a difference page layout wise
[2021-09-11T17:46:32Z] <acheam> will be fun to see its development
[2021-09-11T17:46:35Z] <testuser[m]> Does netsurf support videos
[2021-09-11T17:47:51Z] <acheam> no
[2021-09-11T18:04:17Z] <claudia02> A new webbrowser, neat ^_^
[2021-09-11T18:05:24Z] <claudia02> Has someone already build it? Interested if it needs a toolkit.
[2021-09-11T18:11:34Z] <mps> illiliti: hi, I asked on #alpine-devel to build helper.c by default in libudev-zero package
[2021-09-11T18:12:09Z] <mps> but some people suggested that 'helper' name is to generic
[2021-09-11T18:12:14Z] <mps> too*
[2021-09-11T18:13:30Z] <mps> I proposed name 'libudev-zero-helper'. what you think about this and do you plan to add its build in makefile (and move from contrib, maybe)
[2021-09-11T18:14:12Z] <dilyn> there's nothing that requires it to be named 'helper' on an installed system 
[2021-09-11T18:14:35Z] <dilyn> just cc -o libudev-zero-helper contrib/helper.c; install -Dm755 libudev-zero-helper "$1/usr/bin/libudev-zero-helper"
[2021-09-11T18:14:54Z] <mps> dilyn: yes, I know. I can rename it ofc, but would be nice if we follow upstream name
[2021-09-11T18:15:43Z] <mps> and I thought to put it in /usr/libexec dir
[2021-09-11T18:16:52Z] <mps> someone proposed 'libudev-zero-send-uevent' name
[2021-09-11T18:17:11Z] <testuser[m]> Too verbose
[2021-09-11T18:17:27Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-09-11T18:17:31Z] <rio6> I use linudev-zero-helper on my aur package
[2021-09-11T18:17:40Z] <rio6> s/lin-lib/
[2021-09-11T18:17:44Z] <mps> rio6: ah, good
[2021-09-11T18:18:00Z] <mps> we come to same name independently
[2021-09-11T18:18:06Z] <dilyn> "Assertion failure at SDL_GetWindowSize_REAL" >=|
[2021-09-11T18:18:36Z] <testuser[m]> Recompile with NDEBUG, assert dominance over the assertion
[2021-09-11T18:18:44Z] <dilyn> disable assertions kekw
[2021-09-11T18:19:41Z] <testuser[m]> midfavila-laptop: https://developer.atlassian.com/server/confluence/templating-in-javascript-with-soy/
[2021-09-11T18:19:51Z] <dilyn> "configure: error: *** unknown assertion level. stop." wtf sdl
[2021-09-11T18:20:47Z] <testuser[m]> Why would assertions be enabled in a release build of anything though
[2021-09-11T18:20:52Z] <testuser[m]> There's probably a valid issue here but still
[2021-09-11T18:21:51Z] <dilyn> there's definitely a valid issue 
[2021-09-11T18:56:34Z] <noocsharp> bruh, you're telling me there are literal soydevs now?
[2021-09-11T19:34:32Z] <micr0> dilyn re: blx - the tag() { add() {} } scoping is really neat there
[2021-09-11T19:46:49Z] <illiliti> mps: that helper is provided because some device managers(except mdevd) cannot rebroadcast uevent natively
[2021-09-11T19:46:58Z] <illiliti> it's entirely optional and unrelated to libudev-zero, that's why i put it into contrib/
[2021-09-11T19:49:15Z] <illiliti> contrib/ shouldn't interact with build system. that's the point of contrib/
[2021-09-11T19:49:49Z] <mps> illiliti: yes, you told me this earlier, but some users (and I) wants it to use with busybox mdev
[2021-09-11T19:50:54Z] <mps> and this is not only package where packagers build things from contrib dirs in distros
[2021-09-11T19:51:37Z] <illiliti> package this helper as separate package
[2021-09-11T19:52:44Z] <mps> hmm, that was also proposed on #alpine-devel, but I'm not sure for now. maybe when we switch to libudev-zero from eudev
[2021-09-11T19:53:29Z] <mps> actually we can make it subpackage of libudev-zero
[2021-09-11T19:53:56Z] <illiliti> yeah, that's better
[2021-09-11T19:54:20Z] <illiliti> libudev-zero-helper
[2021-09-11T19:54:23Z] <mps> ok, thanks for idea and advice, will do that tomorrow
[2021-09-11T19:55:30Z] <illiliti> ok
[2021-09-11T20:08:43Z] <dilyn> i don't like that kiss-chroot inherits host's CFLAGS
[2021-09-11T20:08:58Z] <dilyn> i have to keep resetting them every time i chroot because gcc doesn't support -flto=thin smh
[2021-09-11T20:13:02Z] <micr0> anyone using a gui fm they would recommend?
[2021-09-11T20:13:09Z] <micr0> preferrably wayland native and with thumbnails lol
[2021-09-11T20:13:20Z] <acheam> how much bloat?
[2021-09-11T20:13:39Z] <acheam> wayaland native restricts you pretty much to gtk3/4 and qt5
[2021-09-11T20:13:53Z] <acheam> maybe the pcmanfm gtk3 port
[2021-09-11T20:23:17Z] <micr0> hmm, i cannot remove anything linked against libwebp because I see a circular dependency between tiff and libwebp :/
[2021-09-11T20:23:24Z] <micr0> and KISS_FORCE=1 doesnt solve it
[2021-09-11T22:05:33Z] <rio6> good thing kiss lets you edit package info with a text editor