2021-04-29T01:48:22 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> wayfire sounds nice
2021-04-29T01:48:49 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> i might try it out on this vaio i just put kiss on :)
2021-04-29T01:49:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> bootloader doesn't work but who needs one anyway
2021-04-29T01:49:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> probably wasn't the best idea to do an install the night before an exam but there we are
2021-04-29T03:28:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-29T03:30:01 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-04-29T07:32:57 #kisslinux <w1ke> hey
2021-04-29T07:34:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-29T10:58:17 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> hello
2021-04-29T10:59:04 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> i po*p shit
2021-04-29T11:00:02 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> hello mister i poop the shit
2021-04-29T11:00:35 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> is this the official fan club for poop
2021-04-29T11:01:42 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> please answer me :(
2021-04-29T11:07:33 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> are my messages going through
2021-04-29T11:08:25 #kisslinux <miskatonic> the messages stink their way through; and now go to the toilets, down the hallway
2021-04-29T11:10:40 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> okay thank you one sec
2021-04-29T11:12:16 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> yes your advice was very good i took very big poop
2021-04-29T11:12:25 #kisslinux <PoopShitter> thank you you are a very good man
2021-04-29T11:24:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> miskatonic: Please try to not engage in the future
2021-04-29T11:27:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wrong mode there
2021-04-29T12:31:14 #kisslinux <yabobay> im configuring the kernel, what do i need to install to use "Kernel compression mode (LZMA)"?
2021-04-29T12:31:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> i'm aware i need to install some package to be able to have that
2021-04-29T12:40:37 #kisslinux <konimex> iirc xz should be capable of processing lzma files?
2021-04-29T12:43:03 #kisslinux <konimex> though lzip is a dedicated program to process lzma files
2021-04-29T12:44:26 #kisslinux <yabobay> wow i'm so smart i froze my computer twice in a row by thinking it was a good idea to reverse video with ffmpeg
2021-04-29T12:44:54 #kisslinux <yabobay> which is why i left just now lol
2021-04-29T12:58:50 #kisslinux <yabobay> when i do "make modules_install", what is the INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 variable for?
2021-04-29T13:03:53 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> probably strips the modules but that's a guess
2021-04-29T13:04:08 #kisslinux <yabobay> and what does that mean?
2021-04-29T13:04:44 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> checkout strip(1)
2021-04-29T13:04:58 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> Removes debugging symbols from binaries
2021-04-29T13:05:14 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> Makes them smaller
2021-04-29T13:05:26 #kisslinux <yabobay> but doesn't affect anything else, right?
2021-04-29T13:06:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> no it's usually safe
2021-04-29T13:06:34 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> only really useful when you're debugging
2021-04-29T13:06:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh ok
2021-04-29T13:07:09 #kisslinux <yabobay> just trynna build the kernel has almost taken up all the space on this live stick lmao
2021-04-29T13:07:41 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ah it only strips the modules
2021-04-29T13:07:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> not sure you can strip the kernel
2021-04-29T13:07:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh i dont mean the binary. i mean the source dode
2021-04-29T13:07:57 #kisslinux <yabobay> code*
2021-04-29T13:08:01 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> oh lmao
2021-04-29T13:08:02 #kisslinux <yabobay> lol dode
2021-04-29T13:08:08 #kisslinux <acheam> might just need to increase cow space if you have room in the flash drive
2021-04-29T13:08:15 #kisslinux <yabobay> cow space?
2021-04-29T13:09:02 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/kbuild/kbuild.html#install-mod-strip
2021-04-29T13:10:09 #kisslinux <acheam> https://ostechnix.com/adjust-size-root-partition-live-arch-linux/
2021-04-29T13:10:34 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh
2021-04-29T13:10:39 #kisslinux <yabobay> the root partition is the whole drive
2021-04-29T13:10:49 #kisslinux <yabobay> 4GB
2021-04-29T13:11:12 #kisslinux <acheam> should be plenty for the kernel building
2021-04-29T13:11:26 #kisslinux <yabobay> im gonna do df to check
2021-04-29T13:11:50 #kisslinux <yabobay> 700MB available
2021-04-29T13:21:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> wahey https://envs.sh/zM.png
2021-04-29T13:21:52 #kisslinux <yabobay> dithered background nice
2021-04-29T13:24:11 #kisslinux <yabobay> and what WM is this btw?
2021-04-29T13:29:19 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> lol xsetroot just to avoid going over 100 packages
2021-04-29T13:29:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> dylan's sowm
2021-04-29T13:30:27 #kisslinux <acheam> you didn't have to change it from black
2021-04-29T13:30:29 #kisslinux <acheam> just saying
2021-04-29T13:31:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> true but i wanna see the edges of muh st
2021-04-29T13:31:53 #kisslinux <yabobay> if i "kiss r" a package that totally gets rid of it from my system right? there's no cache left or anything?
2021-04-29T13:32:44 #kisslinux <kqz> it gets rid of everything that is in the manifest
2021-04-29T13:32:58 #kisslinux <kqz> you can view the manifest using 'kiss-manifest <pkg>'
2021-04-29T13:33:20 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh thats pretty cool
2021-04-29T13:37:53 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If you edit config files, those will remain.
2021-04-29T13:41:35 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> https://envs.sh/zX.png
2021-04-29T13:41:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> the xbitmaps are hilarious omg
2021-04-29T13:41:58 #kisslinux <yabobay> festive
2021-04-29T13:43:58 #kisslinux <yabobay> i tried doing xsetroot and it's straight up not doing anything cause MATE is probably enforcing the wallpaper lmao
2021-04-29T13:45:45 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> hmm
2021-04-29T13:47:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> i think the biggest thing preventing me from switching to a minimal-er window manager is that it doesnt really make sense yet. i use a big stupid browser and a big stupid music player and other things like that, which wouldn't even fit
2021-04-29T13:48:40 #kisslinux <kqz> why wouldn't they fit? i use **big and stupid** software all the time without a DE ;d
2021-04-29T13:48:50 #kisslinux <yabobay> i mean more like
2021-04-29T13:48:52 #kisslinux <yabobay> not literally
2021-04-29T13:48:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> like it would stick out
2021-04-29T13:49:00 #kisslinux <yabobay> and kinda defeat the point
2021-04-29T13:49:46 #kisslinux <kqz> as long as they're qt or gtk based, just slap the theme of your choice on and boom
2021-04-29T13:50:19 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh yeah that's another thing
2021-04-29T13:50:19 #kisslinux <yabobay> theming o_o
2021-04-29T13:51:49 #kisslinux <kqz> yep, the fun part!
2021-04-29T13:51:59 #kisslinux <yabobay> idk what MATE does, but i just picked a theme and it works in GTK2, GTK3, and Qt.
2021-04-29T13:52:00 #kisslinux <yabobay> i havent been able to find something like that outside of this or KDE
2021-04-29T13:52:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> where do i even look for widget themes that work on all 3 of those
2021-04-29T13:52:36 #kisslinux <kqz> something that probably just abstracts setting all those themes **automagically** for the user
2021-04-29T13:52:59 #kisslinux <kqz> you can find lots of places for themes
2021-04-29T13:53:10 #kisslinux <yabobay> i wouldn't mind setting them individually, so long as they look the same by the time i'm done
2021-04-29T13:53:10 #kisslinux <kqz> scour github, gnome-look, deviantart, deep dark places of the internet ;d
2021-04-29T13:54:31 #kisslinux <kqz> this might be a good read if you have a mix of qt and gtk apps https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications
2021-04-29T13:58:02 #kisslinux <yabobay> how come no developers can just agree to use the same toolkit
2021-04-29T13:58:20 #kisslinux <acheam> funny joke
2021-04-29T13:58:37 #kisslinux <acheam> let's all return to xaw
2021-04-29T13:58:40 #kisslinux <acheam> die gnome
2021-04-29T13:58:44 #kisslinux <acheam> begone kde
2021-04-29T13:59:02 #kisslinux <yabobay> more like
2021-04-29T13:59:05 #kisslinux <acheam> this is linux,standardization is never
2021-04-29T13:59:10 #kisslinux <yabobay> lets just make everything ncurses with mouse
2021-04-29T13:59:42 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> fltk ftw :)
2021-04-29T13:59:54 #kisslinux <yabobay> oH RiGht
2021-04-29T14:00:00 #kisslinux <yabobay> ThErEs A tHiRd OnE
2021-04-29T14:00:10 #kisslinux <acheam> what about the toolkit built into java?
2021-04-29T14:00:25 #kisslinux <yabobay> the thing is at least that looks good by default
2021-04-29T14:00:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> <acheam: stadardization is never> No, you mean standardization is forever!  it's standards all the way down!
2021-04-29T14:01:23 #kisslinux <acheam> recursive standards
2021-04-29T14:01:33 #kisslinux <yabobay> kernel is done building finally
2021-04-29T14:01:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> standards to define standards
2021-04-29T14:01:57 #kisslinux <acheam> don't forget about flutter though
2021-04-29T14:02:06 #kisslinux <acheam> also, are tk and fltk the same?
2021-04-29T14:06:25 #kisslinux <yabobay> is it a bad idea to move files from the chroot into the root system while it's running?
2021-04-29T14:07:10 #kisslinux <kqz> make sure all the processes in the chroot are stopped, and exclude /dev, /proc, and /sys, should be fine
2021-04-29T14:07:32 #kisslinux <yabobay> uh-oh
2021-04-29T14:07:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> i shouldve asked before i started doing it then
2021-04-29T14:08:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> acheam: no
2021-04-29T14:08:32 #kisslinux <yabobay> im moving the kernel sources into the host system so i have space to do stuff
2021-04-29T14:10:13 #kisslinux <kqz> oh if it's just the kernel sources should be ok
2021-04-29T14:10:20 #kisslinux <kqz> i thought you meant like the whole chroot ;d
2021-04-29T14:14:00 #kisslinux <yabobay> apparently without the kernel sources, the whole thing is 335M
2021-04-29T14:14:05 #kisslinux <yabobay> B)
2021-04-29T14:43:24 #kisslinux <yabobay> i wanna test my install without rebooting. is there a way to launch a (x86_64) VM with a real thumb drive as its disk?
2021-04-29T14:44:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i believe virtualbox can: example https://www.howtogeek.com/187721/how-to-boot-from-a-usb-drive-in-virtualbox/
2021-04-29T14:44:41 #kisslinux <yabobay> yeah, but i can't run an x86_64 VM from virtualbox
2021-04-29T14:45:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> why not?  is the host system 32-bit?
2021-04-29T14:45:56 #kisslinux <yabobay> no, but every time i try to launch a 64-bit kernel of *anything* it just tells me the VM is 32-bit
2021-04-29T14:47:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you have the 64-bit options when you're creating a VM in VirtualBox?
2021-04-29T14:48:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> as in, there's "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu 64-bit" options under Version
2021-04-29T14:57:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys
2021-04-29T14:57:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> How can i mount a ntfs partition in kiss?
2021-04-29T14:58:57 #kisslinux <konimex> if ntfs-3g exists, yes
2021-04-29T14:59:03 #kisslinux <yabobay> just searched, it does exist
2021-04-29T14:59:07 #kisslinux <yabobay> it's in the community repo
2021-04-29T14:59:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I used it
2021-04-29T14:59:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But says my dev/sda1 had signature missing
2021-04-29T15:00:27 #kisslinux <konimex> any certain logs?
2021-04-29T15:04:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> http://ix.io/3ljL
2021-04-29T15:05:37 #kisslinux <konimex> hmmm... not sure, since ntfs-3g is userspace I don't think you need ntfs support in the kernel
2021-04-29T15:06:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh yeah, why do people use ntfs-3g when you can build in ntfs support in the kernel
2021-04-29T15:06:29 #kisslinux <konimex> ntfs kernel support is fairly limited compared to ntfs-3g iirc
2021-04-29T15:07:17 #kisslinux <yabobay> yeah but realistically, all you need ntfs for is being able to use other people's ntfs drives
2021-04-29T15:08:19 #kisslinux <konimex> for reading sure, but I don't know about the writing part
2021-04-29T15:08:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> ohh
2021-04-29T15:12:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> My fault
2021-04-29T15:12:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I looked in the kernel
2021-04-29T15:12:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Ntfs support is off
2021-04-29T15:26:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Noup
2021-04-29T15:26:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The same occuors
2021-04-29T15:26:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> When i use simple mount
2021-04-29T15:26:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Says invalid argument
2021-04-29T15:26:55 #kisslinux <konimex> is /dev/sda1 even an NTFS partition?
2021-04-29T15:27:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Well
2021-04-29T15:27:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The type says
2021-04-29T15:27:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hpfs/ntfs
2021-04-29T15:40:14 #kisslinux <Rio6> file -s /dev/sda1 can also show the fs type
2021-04-29T15:41:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> blkid can also show it
2021-04-29T15:55:30 #kisslinux <tink> yabobay: were you trying to boot to kiss installed on a usb drive in a vm?
2021-04-29T15:56:33 #kisslinux <yabobay> tink: i haven't tried it yet. currently installing bootloader. i was asking so i could try it later
2021-04-29T15:59:05 #kisslinux <tink> there is a post in VB subreddit asking the same question
2021-04-29T16:00:23 #kisslinux <tink> https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualbox/comments/lj0dnk/how_to_boot_from_usb/
2021-04-29T16:00:45 #kisslinux <tink> i meant https://www.libredd.it/r/virtualbox/comments/lj0dnk/how_to_boot_from_usb/
2021-04-29T16:01:36 #kisslinux <yabobay> dont you just hate when support answers for "how do i do this" are "don't do it, do this instead"
2021-04-29T16:01:45 #kisslinux <tink> The answers are a bit unsatisfactory
2021-04-29T16:01:50 #kisslinux <yabobay> i found a tutorial anyway
2021-04-29T16:01:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> i'll follow it in a bit
2021-04-29T16:03:32 #kisslinux <yabobay> btw, if while installing grub for UEFI, it prints out a bunch of "device node not found", should i be worried about that?
2021-04-29T16:12:06 #kisslinux <yabobay> anyway, i'm gonna try to boot off of it on real hardwar
2021-04-29T16:12:08 #kisslinux <yabobay> hardware*
2021-04-29T16:17:36 #kisslinux <yabobay> curse you UEFI
2021-04-29T16:21:51 #kisslinux <yabobay> right about now, i pretty much wish i could do anything else rather than install KISS. maybe i'll try again some time later.
2021-04-29T17:15:17 #kisslinux <kqz> if you're using UEFI, efistub has always been the simplest solution for me
2021-04-29T22:07:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> sorry for the pinging
2021-04-29T22:07:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> but wtf is this
2021-04-29T22:07:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> > #include <cairo/cairo/cairo/cairo/cairo/cairo/cairo/cairo/cairo.h>
2021-04-29T22:07:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> smh
2021-04-29T22:08:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> wayfire did this
2021-04-29T22:10:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah no that was a sed running many times lol
2021-04-29T22:10:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> makes sense now
2021-04-29T22:36:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> huh, wayfire made me rebuild basically all of X with -fPIC
2021-04-29T22:48:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> it built now
2021-04-29T22:50:41 #kisslinux <phoebos> ugh https://envs.sh/3w.txt some symbol not found
2021-04-29T22:50:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> i might stick with X for a little longer :(
2021-04-29T23:39:55 #kisslinux <m3g> rip 48 days uptime
2021-04-29T23:47:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> think i'm gonna reinstall all the things