2021-04-23T01:38:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> zfs is like, the most frustrating thing to get working with initrd
2021-04-23T01:39:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> even their own scripts, which exist ostensibly to help initrd writers, are unhelpful garbage
2021-04-23T01:43:21 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word
2021-04-23T01:43:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> you are very liberal with the meaning of 'word' :P
2021-04-23T02:08:12 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dilyn: you'll be happy to know that the spam that i was refering to is not in fact the emails that you were sending
2021-04-23T02:08:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> thank goodness :v
2021-04-23T02:09:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> strange coincidence tho
2021-04-23T02:31:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> zoomer filesystem is dogshit dilyn
2021-04-23T02:31:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop using it
2021-04-23T02:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-04-23T02:31:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> can #kisslinux hit me with a simple mandoc implementation?
2021-04-23T02:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> gnu mandoc is pissing me off
2021-04-23T02:33:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> there's a gnu mandoc?
2021-04-23T02:33:55 #kisslinux <acheam> gnu mandoc?
2021-04-23T02:33:57 #kisslinux <acheam> jinx
2021-04-23T02:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> as far as I know, yeah
2021-04-23T02:34:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its not the one used on kiss if there is one
2021-04-23T02:34:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I though mandoc was an openbsd thing
2021-04-23T02:34:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> the one I use is from the grepo repo
2021-04-23T02:34:38 #kisslinux <acheam> Doesn't GNU use their own help system thing?
2021-04-23T02:34:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, info
2021-04-23T02:34:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is fucking awful
2021-04-23T02:35:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> "hm, yes, let me write a hypertext help system"
2021-04-23T02:35:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> but basically,
2021-04-23T02:35:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want something to view manpages that's not a full mandoc.
2021-04-23T02:35:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, I'd use less on its own if I didn't find the tags distracting.
2021-04-23T02:36:02 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't the gkiss mandoc come from the main repo?
2021-04-23T02:36:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that it does
2021-04-23T02:36:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> fwiw I tried building the latest oBSD mandoc tarball and it doesn't work.
2021-04-23T02:36:57 #kisslinux <acheam> logs. logs. logs.
2021-04-23T02:37:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah, it's whatever.
2021-04-23T02:37:41 #kisslinux <acheam> AFAIK GNU doens't have any manpage system
2021-04-23T02:37:46 #kisslinux <acheam> there is mandoc and man-db primarily
2021-04-23T02:37:58 #kisslinux <acheam> man-db is developed on savannah, but on the nongnu part of it
2021-04-23T02:38:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> What's the difference between mandoc and man-db, practically speaking?
2021-04-23T02:39:01 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't think there is a huge difference?
2021-04-23T02:39:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I've heard that mandoc is lighter though
2021-04-23T02:39:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm.
2021-04-23T02:39:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I feel like mandoc is a bit much for KISS, honestly.
2021-04-23T02:40:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> toybox man is the answer
2021-04-23T02:40:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not installing toybox >:c
2021-04-23T02:40:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Go away
2021-04-23T02:40:16 #kisslinux <dilyn>  /shrug
2021-04-23T02:40:19 #kisslinux <acheam> because i'm on Arch ATM I can't really test
2021-04-23T02:40:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> mandoc is basically what you want tho
2021-04-23T02:40:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> use mandoc instead of man
2021-04-23T02:40:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> mandoc provides man
2021-04-23T02:40:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's what I currently use
2021-04-23T02:40:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and what I would like to be rid of
2021-04-23T02:40:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> right but like
2021-04-23T02:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is the problem idgi
2021-04-23T02:41:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> the man-db package is just POSIX files ain't it lmao
2021-04-23T02:41:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> mandoc, despite being the lighter of the two, includes a ton of crap that I don't care about in the least. PDF output, HTML output, etc etc etc
2021-04-23T02:41:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely useless.
2021-04-23T02:41:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> just give me plaintext files
2021-04-23T02:42:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> mandoc barely processes manpages and then just prints them all to stdout
2021-04-23T02:42:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> doesn't even put them in a pager
2021-04-23T02:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, I know
2021-04-23T02:42:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> can you not just disable the extras
2021-04-23T02:42:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't believe so. Would be nice if that's an option
2021-04-23T02:43:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> mandoc is so teensy it doesn't even have ./configure --help
2021-04-23T02:43:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if you're trying to make your system smaller, there are probably bigger things than this
2021-04-23T02:43:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yes
2021-04-23T02:44:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I cared about size above everything else I'd just rm -rf /usr/share/man
2021-04-23T02:44:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> fork mandoc and remove the html and pdf stuff
2021-04-23T02:44:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I might. Would be a good project.
2021-04-23T02:45:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its always fun to methodically rip code out of something
2021-04-23T02:46:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> unrelated but god, I hate the buzzwordification of minimalism
2021-04-23T02:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> see all these stupid setups on r/unixporn where it's "minimalist" because it uses a tiling WM, meanwhile there's over 2k packages.
2021-04-23T02:48:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> and it's just nord with an luke smith's st...
2021-04-23T02:48:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i remember finding nord on github and thinking that it was actually okay
2021-04-23T02:48:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then I saw that they licensed it
2021-04-23T02:48:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I promptly laughed my ass off
2021-04-23T02:48:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> get your fucking colorscheme licensing out of here
2021-04-23T02:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think in terms of pre-made schemes, I actually like gruvbox-dark the most
2021-04-23T02:50:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thats what i use
2021-04-23T02:50:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> >agreeing with me
2021-04-23T02:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow based
2021-04-23T02:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, rather, more accurately,
2021-04-23T02:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> >consooming the same product as me
2021-04-23T02:51:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> colorschemes as a service
2021-04-23T02:51:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> dracula pro bby
2021-04-23T02:52:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> "Dracula PRO is a color scheme and UI theme tailored for programming"
2021-04-23T02:52:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what do these words mean
2021-04-23T02:52:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Syntax highlighting!
2021-04-23T02:52:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Vim!
2021-04-23T02:52:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> Object-oriented!
2021-04-23T02:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Programming, by rockstars, for rockstars!
2021-04-23T02:53:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> Buzzword!
2021-04-23T02:53:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it means that the creators are dunning-krueger twats who are too far up their own asses
2021-04-23T02:54:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> they deserve to be laughed at with maximum cruelty.
2021-04-23T02:55:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i chose my colorscheme because it lets me have most of my terminal text be a variation of pink, and I like pink
2021-04-23T02:55:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> ha
2021-04-23T02:55:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
2021-04-23T02:55:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> pink can be a nice color
2021-04-23T02:56:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> you're half-right
2021-04-23T02:56:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I find most pinks are extremely garish
2021-04-23T02:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and just... eye-bleeding
2021-04-23T02:56:16 #kisslinux <acheam> haha yes proprietary color schems
2021-04-23T02:56:19 #kisslinux <acheam> thats the funniest shit
2021-04-23T02:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> proprietary color schemes for free software as a service
2021-04-23T02:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> maximum soy
2021-04-23T02:56:35 #kisslinux <acheam> like, its dracula but you randomly switched some hex codes
2021-04-23T02:56:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> "I have copywritten these specific wavelengths in these specific orders. pay me"
2021-04-23T02:57:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dracula comes with a license for not 1, not 2, but 3 computers
2021-04-23T02:57:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy fucking shit batman
2021-04-23T02:57:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a value if I've ever seen one
2021-04-23T02:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> sign me up
2021-04-23T02:57:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> If I change the color accuracy of my monitor, does it change whether my license for that PC is revoked
2021-04-23T02:57:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-23T02:58:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> good
2021-04-23T02:58:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> slightly lower the blues == infinite licenses
2021-04-23T02:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> advanced piratical swashbuckling you're doing there
2021-04-23T02:58:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> maximum respect
2021-04-23T03:00:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc
2021-04-23T03:00:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> i am, after all, a loonix youser
2021-04-23T03:00:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> a follower of linyos torovoltos, notorious soviet computer hacker
2021-04-23T03:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i bet you use one of those dangerous 128kbps connections, too
2021-04-23T03:25:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-23T03:26:03 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-04-23T03:26:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo
2021-04-23T03:46:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> any of you guys have 3D printers?
2021-04-23T03:47:50 #kisslinux <acheam> no but I have access to one
2021-04-23T03:48:12 #kisslinux <acheam> are you curious about kissability?
2021-04-23T03:48:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Stupid question, but it's something I'm interested in a lot: do you know if they can be used to manufacture tooling?
2021-04-23T03:48:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g can I print a screwdriver that's not completely useless, assuming proper filament?
2021-04-23T03:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've never used one before, but I've heard that a lot of them are too low detail to print smaller things, like nuts and screws and stuff.
2021-04-23T03:49:15 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, it won't be super strong
2021-04-23T03:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can print anything assuming proper filament
2021-04-23T03:49:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can print a gun
2021-04-23T03:49:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, i know you can print a gun
2021-04-23T03:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> defense distributed is nifty
2021-04-23T03:49:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've seen some impressive stuff printed using... god, I can't remember the filament
2021-04-23T03:49:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> the gun doesn't explode in your face, i imagine the screwdriver is adequate for a phillips #2
2021-04-23T03:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I recall that it requires a super hot extruder head or whatever
2021-04-23T03:50:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway, it was this hook that could lift almost a full ton before breaking
2021-04-23T03:50:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> jeez
2021-04-23T03:50:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely 3D printed
2021-04-23T03:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I figure, if you could use that to manufacture tools and parts, it would be an awesome use for a printer
2021-04-23T03:51:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, shit, i'd be willing to drop a few hundred bucks if you told me I'd never run out of screws ever again.
2021-04-23T03:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, like,
2021-04-23T03:51:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> "man, I could really use a couple new shelves. time to print some."
2021-04-23T03:52:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know, how pedestrian. but I like the idea of having my own little factory
2021-04-23T03:55:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's the unix philosophy applied to nondigital objects
2021-04-23T03:55:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I think you're over estimating how much a 3d printer can do
2021-04-23T03:55:49 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-23T03:56:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> the printer required is probably more expensive than what most people would consider affordable
2021-04-23T03:56:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ehrmagahd I hate this etextbook
2021-04-23T03:56:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, yes, because I've never used one
2021-04-23T03:56:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> print books omg
2021-04-23T03:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can only go off what I've seen
2021-04-23T03:56:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's the future
2021-04-23T03:56:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is either "wow this is fucking dogshit"
2021-04-23T03:56:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> or "wow, that's pretty amazing"
2021-04-23T03:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> thing is, most 3D printers I've seen in use have been for trivial things
2021-04-23T03:57:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> at most it's like
2021-04-23T03:57:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> a vase, or a pencil holder, or something
2021-04-23T03:57:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is novel, I guess, but not terribly useful.
2021-04-23T03:58:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i know of a guy who uses his 3D printer to create scale replicas of complicated Star Wars universe objects
2021-04-23T03:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, and that's very cool and all
2021-04-23T03:58:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> no you should do that
2021-04-23T03:59:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can't use a replica of han solo's blaster as a hammer
2021-04-23T04:00:14 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-23T04:00:16 #kisslinux <acheam> ofc you can
2021-04-23T04:00:20 #kisslinux <acheam> who is there to stop you
2021-04-23T04:00:24 #kisslinux <acheam> nobody
2021-04-23T04:00:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> sudo
2021-04-23T04:00:29 #kisslinux <acheam> get out there and follow your dreams
2021-04-23T04:00:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> *doas
2021-04-23T04:00:36 #kisslinux <acheam> doas kiss r sudo
2021-04-23T04:00:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> sls*
2021-04-23T04:00:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> doas is bloat
2021-04-23T04:00:50 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ssu*
2021-04-23T04:01:02 #kisslinux <acheam> doas is the right balance for me
2021-04-23T04:01:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> alias sls=ssu
2021-04-23T04:01:08 #kisslinux <acheam> not too bloat, not too light
2021-04-23T04:01:17 #kisslinux <noocsharp> same here, for now
2021-04-23T04:01:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> my privilege escalation tool doesn't need its own configuration file
2021-04-23T04:01:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-04-23T04:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> use extended security attributes.
2021-04-23T04:01:35 #kisslinux <acheam> although I do wish that doas would let you use the password of the root user
2021-04-23T04:01:37 #kisslinux <acheam> like sudo can
2021-04-23T04:01:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude
2021-04-23T04:01:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> su
2021-04-23T04:01:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it literally exists
2021-04-23T04:02:02 #kisslinux <acheam> but I like my fine grained config file
2021-04-23T04:02:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's fine and good
2021-04-23T04:02:33 #kisslinux <acheam> su also doesn't insult me when I type my password wrong
2021-04-23T04:02:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but have you considered just using SMACK
2021-04-23T04:02:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> fork it
2021-04-23T04:02:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Smack-tux.svg
2021-04-23T04:02:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at this logo
2021-04-23T04:02:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's amazing
2021-04-23T04:02:57 #kisslinux <acheam> what a logo
2021-04-23T04:03:02 #kisslinux <acheam> we should start a logo hall of fame
2021-04-23T04:03:09 #kisslinux <acheam> Smack and mlmmj are in it as of now
2021-04-23T04:03:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you've ever seen srpelo's videos,
2021-04-23T04:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it reminds me of that
2021-04-23T04:03:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> just... that version of tux
2021-04-23T04:03:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> slapping the shit out of people trying to break in to your system
2021-04-23T04:03:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's *amazing*
2021-04-23T04:03:48 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: i guess it wouldn't be that hard to patch into busybox
2021-04-23T04:03:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/busybox/bloatbox/
2021-04-23T04:03:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> it's *amazing*
2021-04-23T04:04:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off bot
2021-04-23T04:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have one goddamn job
2021-04-23T04:04:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-04-23T04:05:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuckin' triangles
2021-04-23T04:05:58 #kisslinux <acheam> its always them triangles
2021-04-23T04:06:13 #kisslinux <acheam> in quadrilateral gang we never have these problems
2021-04-23T04:06:23 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: parallelogram the official shape of KISS?
2021-04-23T04:07:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> square circle squad
2021-04-23T04:09:51 #kisslinux <acheam> squircle?
2021-04-23T04:12:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> blurple squircle
2021-04-23T04:12:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> maximum neo-corporatism
2021-04-23T04:13:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> suggestion for next sotd acheam
2021-04-23T04:13:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=YSshQu9rQLc
2021-04-23T04:14:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> MOTHER has fantastic music
2021-04-23T04:26:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. I wonder if you could set KISS up with an alternate file hierarchy.
2021-04-23T04:27:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why not
2021-04-23T04:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> in theory? nothing
2021-04-23T04:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> in practicality? you'd have to modify every single build script
2021-04-23T04:28:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just s|/usr|/some/path| to all the build files
2021-04-23T04:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually, you know what, I just realized
2021-04-23T04:28:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what kind of alternate file hierarchy?
2021-04-23T04:28:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> modifying every single build file is easy shit with find and sed
2021-04-23T04:28:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, I dunno.
2021-04-23T04:28:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was thinking of eliminating /home
2021-04-23T04:29:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and cleaning up /usr
2021-04-23T04:29:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> have you seen oasis?
2021-04-23T04:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah.
2021-04-23T04:29:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's interesting.
2021-04-23T04:29:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> it gets rid of /usr entirely
2021-04-23T04:29:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mhm.
2021-04-23T04:29:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think /usr is fine for *users*
2021-04-23T04:29:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> but nothing else should be under that
2021-04-23T04:30:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so basically replace /home with /usr?
2021-04-23T04:30:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> that, and remove opt
2021-04-23T04:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> just kinda, clean up the basics.
2021-04-23T04:30:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing too crazy.
2021-04-23T04:30:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so not gobo?
2021-04-23T04:31:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> not gobo.
2021-04-23T04:31:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I'd probably remove /mnt, too, come to think of it
2021-04-23T04:31:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> just let users mount in their home directory
2021-04-23T04:32:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> //root?
2021-04-23T04:32:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> that too, honestly.
2021-04-23T04:32:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't like root having its own home directory.
2021-04-23T04:32:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I set root's home to /dev/null
2021-04-23T04:33:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> hmm, i might have to try that
2021-04-23T04:33:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...maybe move var to sit under sys, too
2021-04-23T04:33:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> since var is for system variables right?
2021-04-23T04:33:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Sys is a pseudofs
2021-04-23T04:34:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> clearly the solution is to kick the can down the road
2021-04-23T04:34:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> /sys/pfs/ for sysfs, /sys/tmp for tmpfs, /sys/var...
2021-04-23T04:34:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I dunno.
2021-04-23T04:34:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> just kind of running with this
2021-04-23T04:34:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i dont think you can even do that because of what testuser said
2021-04-23T04:35:00 #kisslinux <noocsharp> with /var at least
2021-04-23T04:35:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, why not? Just remount the pseudofs somewhere else, beneath the sys directory
2021-04-23T04:35:34 #kisslinux <noocsharp> /sys/sys?
2021-04-23T04:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, above I suggested /sys/pfs
2021-04-23T04:35:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What about other programs that rely on /sys stuff, you'll have to symlink /sys/sys/* to /sys
2021-04-23T04:35:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, obviously
2021-04-23T04:36:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence the "just kind of running with this"
2021-04-23T04:37:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr a lot of stuff in root is either redundant or can be shuffled under /sys, as far as I'm concerned.
2021-04-23T04:37:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> in practice, likely impractical, if only due to its deviant nature
2021-04-23T04:37:48 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i dont see the point of putting other things in /sys
2021-04-23T04:37:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its just sweeping them under the rug
2021-04-23T04:38:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, yes. it's reorganization
2021-04-23T04:38:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> with no practical benefit besides being able to brag about how few directories you have in root
2021-04-23T04:38:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so no practical benefits
2021-04-23T04:39:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, well, you can run your system how you want
2021-04-23T04:39:26 #kisslinux <noocsharp> fair enough
2021-04-23T05:44:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> an attempt was made to allow users to specify every installdir with envvars for kiss
2021-04-23T05:44:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> it was ultimately decided to be too delicate and volatile to generalize
2021-04-23T05:44:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> but you could certainly try; like muevoid's fork (muelinux) attempted it
2021-04-23T07:53:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi claudia02
2021-04-23T07:57:37 #kisslinux <claudia02> midfavila: re 3d printing: I have printed some threads in pla. Starting with m4 and bigger they are pretty usable
2021-04-23T07:57:43 #kisslinux <claudia02> morning testuser_[m]
2021-04-23T07:58:23 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3047415 Look at this plane in pla. They use m4 thread to hold the wings on a shaft which works pretty good ( have printed this).
2021-04-23T08:01:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> But for something like a nut or screwdriver I see no chance for something useable in PLA.( Hihgh wear on a small surface)
2021-04-23T08:02:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> PLA starts to melt (gets weak) at 60 degrees. So you have to watch out for sunlight (surface temparature).
2021-04-23T08:13:29 #kisslinux <spryc> how do i apply the no perl kernel �patch? like this?
2021-04-23T08:13:29 #kisslinux <spryc>  patch < /usr/share/doc/kiss/wiki/kernel/patches/kernel-no-perl.patch
2021-04-23T08:14:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> spryc: s/patch/patch -p1
2021-04-23T08:15:14 #kisslinux <spryc> https://privatebin.net/?5a92d186ae0625f1#EYx3rboGGZqk5zqRYbTLc4iJ3VEcMiztJgJ24ZK2ChCa
2021-04-23T08:15:46 #kisslinux <spryc> did the patch with �p1
2021-04-23T08:18:46 #kisslinux <tink> There's a thread on the subreddit about applying the perl patch
2021-04-23T08:21:03 #kisslinux <tink> https://libredd.it/r/kisslinux/comments/jvfwvh/why_do_i_need_the_perl_patch_and_how_do_i_apply_it/
2021-04-23T08:22:42 #kisslinux <spryc> i did what it said
2021-04-23T08:24:19 #kisslinux <spryc> https://privatebin.net/?5a92d186ae0625f1#EYx3rboGGZqk5zqRYbTLc4iJ3VEcMiztJgJ24ZK2ChCa
2021-04-23T08:25:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess they added more perl scripts
2021-04-23T08:25:58 #kisslinux <tink> is it 5.11
2021-04-23T08:26:20 #kisslinux <spryc> this is 5.11.16
2021-04-23T13:21:10 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://i.imgur.com/TLC6kJA.png
2021-04-23T13:21:15 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Can someone help with that?
2021-04-23T13:24:09 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Same with gpt.
2021-04-23T13:25:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> have you tried modifying the grub command to see if you just had the wrong disk set?
2021-04-23T13:28:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://k1sslinux.org/install#9.3 what were your options here
2021-04-23T13:29:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Well, no actually, but the problem is that the grub don't seem to be noticing any of disks...
2021-04-23T13:30:46 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> BIOS version of install
2021-04-23T13:32:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what is your disk setup?  how is everything partitioned?
2021-04-23T13:33:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Unfortunaly, pastebin is seems to be down, so i coudn't send you an grub.cfg but that's quite default preset.
2021-04-23T13:33:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you could try ix.io or 0x0.st as well
2021-04-23T13:46:09 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/mhhQp
2021-04-23T13:50:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what's your disk partitioning look like?
2021-04-23T13:53:21 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Oh, forgot about that. Sorry.
2021-04-23T13:54:00 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/PMGgO
2021-04-23T13:59:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and what was the command you ran to install grub?
2021-04-23T14:01:46 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> As always, grub-install /dev/sdb & grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2021-04-23T14:01:48 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/GSxwS
2021-04-23T14:03:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sorry, i meant `$ grub-install /dev/sdX`
2021-04-23T14:03:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so sdb
2021-04-23T14:03:54 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Check last paste.
2021-04-23T14:03:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but should it be on sda?
2021-04-23T14:04:08 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> No, it doesn't matter.
2021-04-23T14:04:40 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> There are UUID-system as you clearly see.
2021-04-23T14:05:09 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> But.. That's a good point, i could try.
2021-04-23T14:05:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think you can also specify UUID to grub
2021-04-23T14:06:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> maybe after-the-install, i don't recall tbh
2021-04-23T14:10:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> o/
2021-04-23T14:10:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> managed to get kiss to boot on my laptop
2021-04-23T14:10:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> only
2021-04-23T14:10:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> awesome!
2021-04-23T14:10:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> it doesn't get past the initial loading linux message...
2021-04-23T14:10:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-04-23T14:10:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> XD
2021-04-23T14:11:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so close!
2021-04-23T14:11:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> but yeah, figured out what I was doing wrong with the bootloader thing
2021-04-23T14:11:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I may have chosen incorrect config options on the kernel?
2021-04-23T14:13:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> also (I know it's off topic but I want to talk about it) I've moved into my first apartment
2021-04-23T14:13:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> No more sharing!
2021-04-23T14:14:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok I'm done with being off-topci
2021-04-23T14:14:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/topci/topic/
2021-04-23T14:14:43 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> ok I'm done with being off-topic
2021-04-23T14:18:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> congratulations!  got a spot set aside for your newly KISS laptop yet?
2021-04-23T14:21:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> sort of I bought two new computer desks as my previously current one has kinda fallen apart (it is over 7 years old at this point)
2021-04-23T14:21:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> so I'm waiting for them, an electric standing desk for work stuff
2021-04-23T14:22:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> and a normal one for my main PC
2021-04-23T14:22:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'll probably use the workdesk for both work and using this linux laptop
2021-04-23T14:22:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> becuase I'm too easily distracted, it's easier to be in work/personal coding mode if I'm away from my gaming setup
2021-04-23T14:24:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> I reaaaaly want it to work with Kiss
2021-04-23T14:24:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> as you can do some awesome stuff (plus I really like the idea of customising a whole OS)
2021-04-23T14:24:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I must admit the ease of setup on ubuntu (or garuda) is kinda attracting me
2021-04-23T14:27:36 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> The answer is no.
2021-04-23T14:28:01 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Same with hd0.
2021-04-23T14:28:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't like the direction the main distros are taking with respect to flatpaks/snaps/the like
2021-04-23T14:28:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> ominous_anonymou what do you mean?
2021-04-23T14:28:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and darn dKaFucy617DzhBet i was hoping it was just a "simple" misconfiguration
2021-04-23T14:28:54 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> It's impossible actually.
2021-04-23T14:29:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it was strange, grub was looking at disk 0 even though the grub configuration specified disk 1
2021-04-23T14:29:43 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Grub don't want to see any disk.
2021-04-23T14:29:59 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> In rescue mode on 'ls' it returns null.
2021-04-23T14:30:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> thermatix i'm not a fan of flatpaks or snaps, and ubuntu is increasingly forcing their snap store on users
2021-04-23T14:30:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmmm, yeah that would irritate me as well
2021-04-23T14:32:21 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Any other thoughts about this quite weird situation?
2021-04-23T14:32:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> not from me :( hopefully someone else can chime in
2021-04-23T14:34:19 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Use syslinux instead? :P
2021-04-23T14:34:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> dKaFucy617DzhBet what's the problem? is grub booting up but not showing any selection?
2021-04-23T14:34:30 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Yep.
2021-04-23T14:34:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-23T14:34:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> I had that
2021-04-23T14:34:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm not sure if this will work for you
2021-04-23T14:34:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> bit
2021-04-23T14:34:50 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://i.imgur.com/TLC6kJA.png
2021-04-23T14:34:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/bit/but
2021-04-23T14:34:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/bit/but/
2021-04-23T14:34:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> <thermatix> but
2021-04-23T14:35:05 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/mhhQp
2021-04-23T14:35:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmm
2021-04-23T14:35:10 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/PMGgO
2021-04-23T14:35:14 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://ghostbin.com/paste/GSxwS
2021-04-23T14:35:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> are you bios mode?
2021-04-23T14:35:29 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> +
2021-04-23T14:35:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-23T14:35:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> then... I'm not sure I can help
2021-04-23T14:36:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> I solved my issue but changing the boot mount from /boot/EFI to /boot and then reinstalled grub and grub recognized linux
2021-04-23T14:37:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Yeah, i know that. But mounting /boot is ONLY for UEFI-systems.
2021-04-23T14:37:52 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> In my case, there are an problem, that grub doesn't see ANY of disk.
2021-04-23T14:39:05 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> To 'ls' in rescue mode in rescue mode it just responds with null.
2021-04-23T14:40:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm genuinly sorry I'm not able to be of any help
2021-04-23T14:41:47 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Anyway, thank you for trying to help at least.
2021-04-23T14:42:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah I'm not even sure where to begin on this
2021-04-23T14:42:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm still pretty new to this as well
2021-04-23T14:44:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> are you able to manually select a different boot device?
2021-04-23T14:44:27 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> wdym?
2021-04-23T14:44:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so when you first turn on the computer, usually it's "hit f12 to select a boot device"
2021-04-23T14:44:57 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> It's virtualbox.
2021-04-23T14:45:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok so it should be f12
2021-04-23T14:45:32 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> I guess.
2021-04-23T14:45:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> on the VirtualBox splash screen when you first start the VM up
2021-04-23T14:47:26 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Yea, pretty much it will work, at least, i've installing ksl from the alpinelinux chroot.
2021-04-23T14:47:29 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> The disks are ok.
2021-04-23T14:47:37 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> they are visible to linux.
2021-04-23T14:48:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> i used archlabs :P
2021-04-23T14:50:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dKaFucy617DzhBet I just wanted to confirm that when you get to this screen: https://0x0.st/-mbf.png you have both hard disks listed
2021-04-23T14:52:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if they're not listed there, they won't be available for grub to see
2021-04-23T14:54:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> welp, got to go now, bb
2021-04-23T14:57:54 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> https://i.imgur.com/UgP94lb.png
2021-04-23T14:58:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> interesting
2021-04-23T14:58:37 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Indeed sir.
2021-04-23T14:58:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and if you select the secondary one, any different results?
2021-04-23T14:59:11 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> In secondary is alpinelinux, served only to bootup ksl.
2021-04-23T14:59:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> First is ksl.
2021-04-23T14:59:35 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Where is placed grub.
2021-04-23T15:00:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> >grub
2021-04-23T15:02:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what happens when you select the second one to boot from?  alpine boots up?
2021-04-23T15:02:13 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Same.
2021-04-23T15:02:18 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Nothing changes.
2021-04-23T15:03:56 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Ah.. I mean AL boots up instead of ksl, obviously.
2021-04-23T15:04:30 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> As i said before, it's probably grub problem.
2021-04-23T15:04:41 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> So i'll try syslinux.
2021-04-23T15:04:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it sounds like you want to dual-boot
2021-04-23T15:05:09 #kisslinux <aarng> >>grub
2021-04-23T15:05:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> >>>
2021-04-23T15:05:19 #kisslinux <aarng> no idea why dylan chose grub
2021-04-23T15:05:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> should have gone with syslinux.
2021-04-23T15:05:39 #kisslinux <aarng> probably because it's the most common and he didn't use it himself
2021-04-23T15:06:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but muh principles
2021-04-23T15:06:13 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Any syslinux-users here?
2021-04-23T15:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use it.
2021-04-23T15:07:14 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> ok
2021-04-23T15:09:00 #kisslinux <aarng> I tried to use efistub without adding a boot entry
2021-04-23T15:09:09 #kisslinux <aarng> named the kernel properly and everything
2021-04-23T15:09:16 #kisslinux <aarng> doesn't get picked up by my board
2021-04-23T15:09:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> >your bootloader enforces a kernel naming scheme
2021-04-23T15:09:33 #kisslinux <aarng> I wonder what special sauce pen drives use
2021-04-23T15:09:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally none.
2021-04-23T15:09:42 #kisslinux <konimex> <aarng "no idea why dylan chose grub"> dependencies, perhaps?
2021-04-23T15:10:01 #kisslinux <aarng> perhaps, no idea what the deps of the most common boot loaders even are
2021-04-23T15:10:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only dependency that syslinux has is like
2021-04-23T15:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> util-linux, I think
2021-04-23T15:10:14 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> Wow, there are no syslinux in repos.
2021-04-23T15:10:21 #kisslinux <aarng> midfavila  literally none.
2021-04-23T15:10:24 #kisslinux <aarng> that's what i thought too
2021-04-23T15:10:34 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> What a completely geniune move.
2021-04-23T15:10:37 #kisslinux <konimex> for BIOS or for UEFI?
2021-04-23T15:11:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila
2021-04-23T15:11:04 #kisslinux <aarng> maybe it's that my board only looks for bootx64.efi on usb devices or some shit
2021-04-23T15:11:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> extlinux is in my ports collection
2021-04-23T15:11:11 #kisslinux <konimex> I'm not familiar with syslinux but looking at void's build files it requires gnu-efi for uefi systems, hence GRUB
2021-04-23T15:11:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> the obvious answer is to stop being a fucking UEFI brainlet
2021-04-23T15:11:38 #kisslinux <konimex> you tell dylan that, then
2021-04-23T15:11:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> if he comes back, I will
2021-04-23T15:12:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> didn't he use an old memepad, anyway? probably ran BIOS instead of UEFI.
2021-04-23T15:12:08 #kisslinux <aarng> uefi is already there, might as well use it
2021-04-23T15:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not muh minimalism
2021-04-23T15:12:16 #kisslinux <aarng> get a board without it if you hate it so much
2021-04-23T15:12:29 #kisslinux <aarng> eeh, but it's one less package
2021-04-23T15:12:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> already did, but thanks for the suggestion
2021-04-23T15:12:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> syslinux needs perl for make
2021-04-23T15:12:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so its a no for main repo
2021-04-23T15:12:45 #kisslinux <konimex> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20191010#c2744860
2021-04-23T15:12:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's actually a good reason
2021-04-23T15:13:09 #kisslinux <dKaFucy617DzhBet> testuser_ It's only make dependency, you could remove it after installation.
2021-04-23T15:13:26 #kisslinux <aarng> how awful is the perl script?
2021-04-23T15:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> come on.
2021-04-23T15:14:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's perl.
2021-04-23T15:14:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know the answer is "extremely awful"
2021-04-23T15:15:38 #kisslinux <aarng> nvm, there is tons of perl anyway
2021-04-23T15:16:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like perl would be more usable if CPAN wasn't a hot mess
2021-04-23T15:16:48 #kisslinux <aarng> if it was only a couple smallish scripts, maybe rewriting in awk could've been an option
2021-04-23T15:17:09 #kisslinux <aarng> I prefer perl over python at least
2021-04-23T15:17:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> python is an incredibly low bar to clear, though
2021-04-23T15:17:37 #kisslinux <aarng> true
2021-04-23T15:17:47 #kisslinux <aarng> but still mostly the same use case
2021-04-23T15:17:54 #kisslinux <konimex> at the very least perl doesn't require myraids of GNU-only tools
2021-04-23T15:17:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> Eeeeeeeeeeeeh
2021-04-23T15:18:04 #kisslinux <konimex> s/myraids/myriads
2021-04-23T15:18:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I would argue that perl is more focused than python
2021-04-23T15:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least in my opinion, perl is in the same category as tools like sed, awk, cut, tr, etc
2021-04-23T15:18:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> python is just import solution from stdlib
2021-04-23T15:19:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=JLZIfw1hUao
2021-04-23T15:20:16 #kisslinux <aarng> what's up with LILO besides it not supporting uefi?
2021-04-23T15:20:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want UEFI use ELILO
2021-04-23T15:20:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> other than that...
2021-04-23T15:20:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> LILO can just be funky sometimes
2021-04-23T15:20:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've had it build and execute properly in userspace, but then fail as a bootloader
2021-04-23T15:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> interestingly, stealing another distribution's binary works fine
2021-04-23T15:22:18 #kisslinux <aarng> we could also change to LILO and suggest efistub to people who want to use uefi
2021-04-23T15:22:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i feel like they could've just added an entry to their alpine grub configuration pointing at the other disk
2021-04-23T15:22:59 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, it's probably pebkac
2021-04-23T15:23:15 #kisslinux <aarng> but grub still sucks :p
2021-04-23T15:24:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> GRUB is impressively bad
2021-04-23T15:24:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never had it install cleanly
2021-04-23T15:24:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, there was one time that it refused to overwrite LILO's boot sector code
2021-04-23T15:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was confusing as hell to troubleshoot
2021-04-23T15:25:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it goes super smooth on my VMs
2021-04-23T15:26:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but i'm not doing multiple-virtual-disks-with-multiple-OS setups or anything crazy
2021-04-23T15:26:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the one issue i've had on physical machines was my own fault, overwriting MBR
2021-04-23T15:27:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a yikes moment for sure
2021-04-23T15:28:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of bootloaders and disks
2021-04-23T15:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone have experience with booting from one disk into a rootfs on another?
2021-04-23T15:32:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is that what chainloading is meant to help with?
2021-04-23T15:33:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> afaik chainloading boots into another bootloader, for weird system support
2021-04-23T15:33:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g windows, haiku, whatever
2021-04-23T15:33:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> last time I tried, I was able to load a kernel, but not a rootfs
2021-04-23T15:39:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://0x0.st/-mbR.png
2021-04-23T15:40:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> doing some sec+ practice questions
2021-04-23T15:40:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> very disappointed in this one.
2021-04-23T15:46:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Whats sec+
2021-04-23T15:46:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> basic computer security cert.
2021-04-23T15:46:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm aiming for Net, Sec, and Linux+ before I finish my college program
2021-04-23T15:46:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> after that, probably GSEC and then OSCP
2021-04-23T15:58:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> crosstool-ng is wicked powerful. but it basically turned my static toolchain blog post into a noop :(
2021-04-23T16:00:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> nah, it didn't, i like being able to "do it myself" as opposed to relying on a tool so your blog post is still useful
2021-04-23T16:00:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not abusing m4 and awk to autogenerate pages
2021-04-23T16:01:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely cringe.
2021-04-23T16:01:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> very fair. my blog is mostly just a place to store documentation for my own reference later anyways
2021-04-23T16:03:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> but now that i've done this i can slide it into community and now whenever somebody asks 'how can i move KISS to $archoftheyear we can say 'have you heard of this new kid on the block'
2021-04-23T16:06:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lol i'd still completely fail but at least there'd be a different tool to try!
2021-04-23T16:14:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: help
2021-04-23T16:19:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> here 2 halp
2021-04-23T16:22:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Can you run this chromium build for me, i tested the previous version on musl but they updated it and I also lost my ccache so can't build it again..
2021-04-23T16:22:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Changed some flags too https://github.com/git-bruh/repo-community/tree/elgoog/community/chromium
2021-04-23T16:23:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure!
2021-04-23T16:23:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Thanks o/
2021-04-23T16:25:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you need it to legit run, or just build
2021-04-23T16:26:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just build and see if chromium --version works should be fine  i guess, havent changed a lot of stuff
2021-04-23T16:29:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> can do
2021-04-23T16:33:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn MIPS KISS when
2021-04-23T16:37:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> when you build it
2021-04-23T16:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> what about Z80
2021-04-23T16:38:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want to run loonix on my ZX Specturm
2021-04-23T16:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> the spectrum was a knockoff
2021-04-23T16:39:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even know if I'll ever *not* use x86 mang
2021-04-23T16:39:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> i didn't just build a whole PC to switch to fucking mips s m h
2021-04-23T16:39:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely intelled and proprietard-pilled
2021-04-23T16:39:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd use a MIPS PC if they were available in versions that were, uh, not 500mhz
2021-04-23T16:39:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> time to install gdb. I have no idea why this keeps happenign
2021-04-23T16:39:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh boy, gdb
2021-04-23T16:40:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> have fun compiling
2021-04-23T16:41:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love when make just says 'sh syntax error'
2021-04-23T16:41:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> bmake so bad :'(
2021-04-23T16:41:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a fucking sprinkle stuck in my cosmos
2021-04-23T16:41:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm gonna lose it
2021-04-23T16:41:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> swear on me mum
2021-04-23T16:47:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> forgot to mount shm, chromium build failed. end my life.
2021-04-23T16:48:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser I think I have to take in your suggestion for kiss-chroot :P
2021-04-23T16:58:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=161914575319702&w=2
2021-04-23T17:02:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila FVWM configuration circa 2006: https://i.redd.it/kigmilzi6wu61.png
2021-04-23T17:02:45 #kisslinux <midfavila>  push to 0x0 or similar plox
2021-04-23T17:05:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/-mcy.png
2021-04-23T17:05:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> Danke.
2021-04-23T17:05:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's pretty based ngl.
2021-04-23T17:06:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah real slick.  i know you're not big on reddit, but there's been a lot of awesome posts to /r/vintageunix today in that same vein
2021-04-23T17:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> "Not big on" in the sense that I filter traffic to and fro, but yes. And FVWM can look stunning given proper polish
2021-04-23T17:07:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the equivalent of an old station wagon, I guess
2021-04-23T17:07:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> kind of clunky, but reliable, easy to work on, and with proper care and feeding, very attractive
2021-04-23T17:07:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to put more work into my config actually...
2021-04-23T17:09:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn:  btw i switched to a bubblewrap script to enter build chroots rootlessly: https://github.com/git-bruh/dotfiles/blob/master/bin/bchroot
2021-04-23T17:10:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> why not use proot!
2021-04-23T17:12:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bwrap is cooler :p
2021-04-23T17:14:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> also probably not in alpha in perpetuity...
2021-04-23T17:17:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll never be so cool https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200506#c3810701
2021-04-23T17:20:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can never live up to the sheer based-ness of araps-sama
2021-04-23T17:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> how does that make you feel
2021-04-23T17:24:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty ambivalent
2021-04-23T17:24:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> s m h
2021-04-23T17:26:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompilerPolicy
2021-04-23T17:27:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> >fedora
2021-04-23T17:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe and irrelevant.
2021-04-23T17:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> in all seriousness, do people actually like
2021-04-23T17:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> *use* fedora, outside of some businesses using RHEL?
2021-04-23T17:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've only met a single person who willingly used Fedora, but he was a total suit
2021-04-23T17:30:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i use(d) some CentOS VMs at home in the past, not straight Fedora though
2021-04-23T17:30:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I mean
2021-04-23T17:30:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone uses CentOS or RHEL
2021-04-23T17:30:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> never glowiedora
2021-04-23T17:31:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> they're changing centos, so people are moving to rock linux or another one i forget the name of
2021-04-23T17:31:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> stripping debugging symbols will always bite me in the ass, huh.
2021-04-23T17:31:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I heard that they're depreacting centos entirely or something
2021-04-23T17:31:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> s/rock/rocky
2021-04-23T17:32:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hope NeXTSpace moves away from CentOS 8 as a development platform soon
2021-04-23T17:32:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the quest for minimal size requires... sacrifices
2021-04-23T17:33:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> yesterday my girlfriend asked me 'how do I return all the files in this git repo to their unmodified state' and i said 'git restore .' and SHE said
2021-04-23T17:33:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'git doesn't have restore'
2021-04-23T17:33:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw CMU only has git 1.8 for their ECE students
2021-04-23T17:33:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> nani the fuck
2021-04-23T17:33:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck RHEL, fuck CentOS, fuck contracts, fuck old software.
2021-04-23T17:34:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> svn revert to revision
2021-04-23T17:34:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> the solution is, i guess,
2021-04-23T17:34:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> install KISS?
2021-04-23T17:34:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> to uninstall whatever software lets her connect to this server
2021-04-23T17:35:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I don't have to deal with it
2021-04-23T17:35:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> big brain moment
2021-04-23T17:35:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao I should've said 'do ~/kiss/bin/git restore .'
2021-04-23T17:35:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably wouldn't have worked tho huh
2021-04-23T17:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> iunno
2021-04-23T17:36:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only five git commands I use are pull, push, clone, add, and commit
2021-04-23T17:36:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> it depends on how git restore works with tracked files. if they're marked in some special way for restore, then it woudln't
2021-04-23T17:36:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh well
2021-04-23T17:36:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid never makes mistakes i guess
2021-04-23T17:36:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's right
2021-04-23T17:36:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...never. definitely
2021-04-23T17:40:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is shithubusercontent down for anyone else ?
2021-04-23T17:41:46 #kisslinux <m3g> anyone knows how to specify lemonbar a font name? Lost here
2021-04-23T17:42:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you check the manual
2021-04-23T17:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> because uh. it's literally in the synopsis
2021-04-23T17:42:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/lemonbar/lemonbar.1.en.html
2021-04-23T17:42:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> m3g i usually use fc-match to double-check it finds the right one
2021-04-23T17:44:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if you're using the xft fork you can specify like: -f "xft:My Font Name Here"
2021-04-23T17:45:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i had been using https://github.com/drscream/lemonbar-xft although i don't know if that's still the "best" option
2021-04-23T17:50:23 #kisslinux <m3g> None of the things I try work https://0x0.st/-mTs.txt
2021-04-23T17:52:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Try xft:FreeMono:style=Regular:
2021-04-23T17:56:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> TTF need xft support
2021-04-23T17:57:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i thought, at least
2021-04-23T18:02:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/-mTH.gz
2021-04-23T18:03:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that should be a git-linked package for lemonbar-xft
2021-04-23T18:03:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> smh chromium is being a little bitch testuser_
2021-04-23T18:04:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> got almost done the first time, complained about /dev/shm perms. fixed perms, complained about something relating to *vulkan*. refused to go on
2021-04-23T18:04:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i'm building my own version from your branch, and somehow nss.pc had the wrong perms!
2021-04-23T18:04:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> my computer is eating itself.
2021-04-23T18:05:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> stahp using chromium
2021-04-23T18:05:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Ah did the build fail due to vulkan stuff ? I was quite unsure about that flag, i guess you can remove it and see
2021-04-23T18:05:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> use_vulkan=false
2021-04-23T18:05:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> midfavila
2021-04-23T18:05:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Consume
2021-04-23T18:06:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will never consoom
2021-04-23T18:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't make me get in the pod
2021-04-23T18:06:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will own things and be unhappy
2021-04-23T18:09:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> aha, i see
2021-04-23T18:36:09 #kisslinux <m3g> ominous_anonymou: `Could not load font "xft:FreeMono:style=Regular:"`
2021-04-23T18:37:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> here's my font line: -f "ricty diminished discord:size=9" -f "dejavu sans:size=9"
2021-04-23T18:38:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so you could try -f "freemono regular"
2021-04-23T18:39:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i know you tried that before, but maybe the xft-patched version will grab it successfully
2021-04-23T19:44:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I... I just OOM'd myself...
2021-04-23T19:44:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> on 32 gigs of ram
2021-04-23T19:44:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> wtf
2021-04-23T19:45:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> that was unrelated
2021-04-23T19:45:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> welcome to the club
2021-04-23T19:45:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> when I bought 32GB I was like 'this is just too much. I'll never need this'
2021-04-23T19:45:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> WRONG
2021-04-23T19:45:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i once oom'd on 64
2021-04-23T19:46:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> long story short, I have to rebuild chromium testuser_
2021-04-23T19:46:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid don't jinx it
2021-04-23T19:46:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> xnij
2021-04-23T21:25:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay cool, should be connecting via SASL now
2021-04-23T21:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> now I can throw ascii at people s e c u r e l y
2021-04-23T21:29:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> does pidgin handle that for you?
2021-04-23T21:29:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> indeed it does
2021-04-23T21:29:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> pidgin is fantastic when it works
2021-04-23T21:30:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> which to be clear, is most of the time
2021-04-23T21:30:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> :tm:
2021-04-23T21:30:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> discord, telegram, IRC, and basically whatever the hell you want, all in one place
2021-04-23T21:30:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> *and* it doesn't hog memory.
2021-04-23T21:33:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> now to fix the user agent bullshit with my browser...
2021-04-23T21:33:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it wouldn't be a *problem* if sites weren't filtering based on it, but we don't live in a perfect world, I guess.
2021-04-23T21:34:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what sites are blocking specific UAs?
2021-04-23T21:34:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, the IETF's RFCs are the latest that I've come across
2021-04-23T21:35:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> a lot of commerce sites do as well. obviously to fight scraping
2021-04-23T21:35:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the notorious internet terrorist site 4chan also doesn't like it
2021-04-23T21:35:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> oddly, 4channel is fine
2021-04-23T21:35:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> what else... anything protected by cloudflare botnet.
2021-04-23T21:35:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> "protected"
2021-04-23T21:37:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> the weird thing is that UA spoofing doesn't change the problem. for some reason my browser just... isn't sending a UA at all. and for reference, that's not something I set
2021-04-23T21:37:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ridiculous.  you can set up nginx or something as a transparent proxy
2021-04-23T21:38:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> to rewrite your UA (or in your case create one I guess?)
2021-04-23T21:38:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> or I can just use palememe
2021-04-23T21:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I keep installed to isolate most of that sort of stuff anyway
2021-04-23T21:39:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> aw man, the ALICE rig I wanted to get off ebay ended earlier today.
2021-04-23T21:39:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> big rip.
2021-04-23T22:06:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow based
2021-04-23T22:10:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> for anyone who tinkers with tcpdump, i've just packaged a companion program, tcptrace
2021-04-23T23:18:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird question, but do you guys find it hard to stare at checkerboard patterns?
2021-04-23T23:31:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> can't say i've ever noticed an issue, no
2021-04-23T23:32:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-maZ.jpg
2021-04-23T23:32:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> picrel tiled on my monitors makes me dizzy
2021-04-23T23:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> which sucks because it's otherwise a really nice pattern
2021-04-23T23:33:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok so that does have a bit of a motion illusion effect