2021-02-23T00:00:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Fuck I can't say that
2021-02-23T00:00:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Some of you are 12
2021-02-23T00:00:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-23T00:00:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to machine a clone chassis for SSI-EEB/eATX based on the altair
2021-02-23T00:00:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> We need to take down the log it I'm gonna get arrested
2021-02-23T00:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> complete with monster can-sized capacitors
2021-02-23T00:01:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> And here I was all day building a wishlist of computer parts to throw into a thermaltake p5
2021-02-23T00:01:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You are the true master race of compute
2021-02-23T00:01:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just *really* dig the aesthetic
2021-02-23T00:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was going to do it for my workstation but then I realized a microsecond after thinking that that I'd need the workstation to draft the case schematic
2021-02-23T00:03:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao
2021-02-23T00:03:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Draw it up by hand
2021-02-23T00:04:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> communicate the schematics to the contractors through interpretive dance
2021-02-23T00:07:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> necromansy: how did you get zoom on kiss? in a chroot?
2021-02-23T00:07:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Build a time machine to inscribe the specs into multiple ancient tablets you scatter across ancient mesopotamia for future archeologists to discover in the modern area so they build a perfect reconstruction for you, and then rob the museum they house it in
2021-02-23T00:07:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> >stone tablets
2021-02-23T00:08:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not redoing the nazca lines
2021-02-23T00:08:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> phoebos[m]1: nah, i've got a separate machine with arch on it
2021-02-23T00:08:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> Ah lmao
2021-02-23T00:08:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> i could setup a chroot but i cbf rn
2021-02-23T00:08:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the sheer power of the altair can be contained in no mere museum
2021-02-23T00:08:45 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> currently doing some gentoo chrooting
2021-02-23T00:08:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but what about genone
2021-02-23T00:09:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Selectively breed cicadas which erupt from their prolonged hibernation on years which, when converted into binary strings, actually are just a small C compiler
2021-02-23T00:09:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> God the unix way is incredible
2021-02-23T00:09:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> is this the power of 1960s software design
2021-02-23T00:09:54 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Dead
2021-02-23T00:11:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's something I've always been curious about
2021-02-23T00:11:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> how would a time machine actually work, assuming that time is a linear construct?
2021-02-23T00:11:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> because would moving to a point before its existence not create a paradox?
2021-02-23T00:11:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it does then like, you're just gonna vanish in a puff of logic
2021-02-23T00:12:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> if not, does that mean there's a meta-timeline? or is the machine somehow a temporal anchor?
2021-02-23T00:12:45 #kisslinux <acheam> oh my
2021-02-23T00:12:59 #kisslinux <acheam> not even the power of POSIX shell can solve this
2021-02-23T00:13:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> we'll have to retvrn to machine code for the power to answer this question
2021-02-23T00:13:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> channel the way of the lambda calculus
2021-02-23T00:13:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> turing complete time travel
2021-02-23T00:13:47 #kisslinux <acheam> we may segfault, but we will persevere!
2021-02-23T00:14:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> where we're going we don't need no turing
2021-02-23T00:14:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> time travel will program time travel
2021-02-23T00:14:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're computing old-school, babbage style
2021-02-23T00:16:26 #kisslinux <jedavies> Who's running KISS on their Difference Engine?
2021-02-23T00:17:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mfw we assume time is linear
2021-02-23T00:17:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Time is obviously nonlinear
2021-02-23T00:17:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> time is recursive
2021-02-23T00:17:29 #kisslinux <acheam> jearimy bearimy
2021-02-23T00:17:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Now you just sound like a 200 level CSE prof
2021-02-23T00:17:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> 'the answer is, of course, recursion'
2021-02-23T00:17:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah I've just been reading too much SICP lately
2021-02-23T00:18:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh functional programming and all that
2021-02-23T00:18:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> F
2021-02-23T00:18:18 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just do logical
2021-02-23T00:18:26 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> s/logical/logic/
2021-02-23T00:18:27 #kisslinux <kissbot> <DilynCorner[m]> Just do logic
2021-02-23T00:18:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> This is the way
2021-02-23T00:18:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbf aristotle is uber-based
2021-02-23T00:18:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I have a 300 page textbook on classic logic and first order logical models
2021-02-23T00:19:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not quite that big-brained yet
2021-02-23T00:19:06 #kisslinux <acheam> oh so you think book knowlege is everything? How naive
2021-02-23T00:19:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I have a 500 page textbook devoted to the logical models of non-classical logics
2021-02-23T00:19:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I wrote a 40 page paper on the coherency of infinity in logical formalism
2021-02-23T00:19:27 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Logic is disgustingly deep
2021-02-23T00:19:28 #kisslinux <acheam> you clearly lack the instinctive knowlege
2021-02-23T00:19:34 #kisslinux <acheam> have you ever walked the paths of time?
2021-02-23T00:19:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I fuck all my problems. Carnal knowledge prevails over all
2021-02-23T00:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to learn more about classical logic and philosophy and math and all that, but I just have zero motivation xwx
2021-02-23T00:20:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> :v
2021-02-23T00:20:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's interesting if you find your niche
2021-02-23T00:20:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah it's all interesting to me
2021-02-23T00:20:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just like
2021-02-23T00:20:55 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Like math is in general super boring but like
2021-02-23T00:21:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i make a single minor mistake and then freak the fuck out and go lay in bed for the rest of the day
2021-02-23T00:21:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's super lame
2021-02-23T00:21:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Logical models to determine what it means for mathematical truths to be true is hella cool
2021-02-23T00:21:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao are you my entire college career
2021-02-23T00:21:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe
2021-02-23T00:22:00 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Sad
2021-02-23T00:24:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> ikr
2021-02-23T00:24:15 #kisslinux <acheam> thats life
2021-02-23T00:25:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> >maths is boring
2021-02-23T00:25:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> i find that kinda true but also kinda false
2021-02-23T00:26:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i guess applications of maths isn't quite the same
2021-02-23T00:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> maths is boring if you're teaching it like they do in schools
2021-02-23T00:28:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok that i can agree on
2021-02-23T00:28:15 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I mean I'm also an analyst and logician and went to a school ruled by algebraists
2021-02-23T00:28:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Their math is hella boring
2021-02-23T00:28:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> "if sally is travelling down the highway at sixty nine parsecs every four hundred twenty nanocabbages how many fucks will she give after nine aeons, to within eight points of precision"
2021-02-23T00:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> like who cares
2021-02-23T00:29:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> word problems are really just a framing device to help problem solving
2021-02-23T00:29:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> but yes
2021-02-23T00:29:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> see the word problems are always super mundane and boring, and leave out a lot of basic understanding when it comes to the way maths are laid out
2021-02-23T00:29:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-02-23T00:29:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're gonna use word problems then at least make it high stakes
2021-02-23T00:30:05 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Idk man that's a cool as hell word problem
2021-02-23T00:30:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think that's why i like maths in physics
2021-02-23T00:30:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> because you're getting some actual practicality out of it
2021-02-23T00:30:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not even about practicality, inherently
2021-02-23T00:30:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> use like, assasinating the president to teach angles and shit
2021-02-23T00:31:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> idfk
2021-02-23T00:31:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> just make it *engaging*
2021-02-23T00:31:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> well no but seeing the connectivity between the maths and the real world shit does help
2021-02-23T00:31:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The maths in my physics courses drove me insane. It was all so lazy
2021-02-23T00:31:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd complain about physics but I basically only have a ninth grade maths education
2021-02-23T00:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the schools here are absolute horseshit
2021-02-23T00:31:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-23T00:31:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> seriously
2021-02-23T00:31:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao, a guy doing a double degree in maths/physics that i knew ended up dropping the physics because he hated how they were treating Hilbert spaces
2021-02-23T00:32:04 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Calc 3 became very beautiful once I understood it with respect to electromagnetism and geometry tho
2021-02-23T00:32:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^^^^
2021-02-23T00:32:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> this
2021-02-23T00:32:16 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Is that me? Fuck
2021-02-23T00:32:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> except not calc 3 coz idk what that is
2021-02-23T00:32:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> :>
2021-02-23T00:32:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I got so mad when my chmestry friend asked me for help and he didn't know what those were
2021-02-23T00:32:37 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Multivariable calculus
2021-02-23T00:32:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> ah yeah
2021-02-23T00:32:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> and this is where I tap out lmao
2021-02-23T00:32:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-23T00:33:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> And yet I don't know a single programming language for shit. Go figure
2021-02-23T00:33:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> tbf unless you're doing functional programming, the link between maths/programming is teneous
2021-02-23T00:35:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've learned a fair bit of maths just from messing with it actually. then again that's probably more to SICP's credit than Scheme's
2021-02-23T00:35:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> but seeing the actual algorithim for different operations helps a lot in terms of comprehension
2021-02-23T00:36:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You might really like number theory
2021-02-23T00:36:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's super algorithmic
2021-02-23T00:36:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> it wasnt until i started doing research projects that i actually learned programming and not just monkey on keyboard follow instruction
2021-02-23T00:36:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> if number theory can explain how the fuck basic arithmetic functions work then yeah sure ig
2021-02-23T00:37:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think that's one of the things that really bothered me about high school
2021-02-23T00:37:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> the teachers couldn't answer any fundamental questions about stuff
2021-02-23T00:37:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> the downside to that is you gotta *know* maths
2021-02-23T00:37:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> well darn
2021-02-23T00:38:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> i like using the argument that its hard to learn linguistics if you dont know how to speak the language
2021-02-23T00:40:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-23T00:41:00 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Good thing language apprehension is an evolved trait
2021-02-23T00:41:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-02-23T00:41:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-23T00:41:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> its not a perfect metaphor tbf :P
2021-02-23T00:42:47 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just means everyone can learn arithmetic :v
2021-02-23T00:47:11 #kisslinux <systemE> Hey is kiss dead
2021-02-23T00:47:14 #kisslinux <systemE> wheres the site
2021-02-23T00:47:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> the site died
2021-02-23T00:47:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're sort of in stasis
2021-02-23T00:47:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> figuring out where to go from here
2021-02-23T00:47:31 #kisslinux <systemE> is dylan mia?
2021-02-23T00:47:32 #kisslinux <systemE> lol
2021-02-23T00:47:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah he has been for months
2021-02-23T00:47:39 #kisslinux <systemE> hillarious
2021-02-23T00:47:42 #kisslinux <systemE> I bet he's here watching
2021-02-23T00:47:48 #kisslinux <systemE> It's all part of his plan
2021-02-23T00:48:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> multidimensional chess to take down red hat
2021-02-23T00:48:02 #kisslinux <systemE> the distro is supposed to be self-maintainable
2021-02-23T00:48:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> And I've been maintaining my own slice for months :v
2021-02-23T00:49:20 #kisslinux <systemE> This is great
2021-02-23T00:49:53 #kisslinux <acheam> systemE:  site mirror is k1ss.armaanb.net
2021-02-23T00:49:57 #kisslinux <systemE> I mean obv hope he's okay
2021-02-23T00:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> if anything it proves that the concept of the distro works
2021-02-23T00:50:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-23T00:50:36 #kisslinux <acheam> systemE:  are you a-schaefers?
2021-02-23T00:50:40 #kisslinux <systemE> ya thats me
2021-02-23T00:50:43 #kisslinux <acheam> ah nice
2021-02-23T00:50:47 #kisslinux <systemE> nice sleuthing
2021-02-23T00:51:02 #kisslinux <systemE> Dylan probably did it on purpose man it seems like something he would do
2021-02-23T00:51:12 #kisslinux <systemE> To prove the concept as midfavila said
2021-02-23T00:51:19 #kisslinux <acheam> idk
2021-02-23T00:51:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I said over three months ago
2021-02-23T00:51:23 #kisslinux <acheam> he left ALL his projects
2021-02-23T00:51:26 #kisslinux <acheam> not just kiss
2021-02-23T00:51:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but he hasn't been seen on the net in ages
2021-02-23T00:51:42 #kisslinux <acheam> and let his main email account die
2021-02-23T00:51:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the site
2021-02-23T00:51:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the git's ssl
2021-02-23T00:52:05 #kisslinux <systemE> should try to send mail to that island he's on
2021-02-23T00:52:12 #kisslinux <acheam> we considered it
2021-02-23T00:52:14 #kisslinux <systemE> see what reply you get from the post
2021-02-23T00:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> eventually we dropped the idea
2021-02-23T00:52:24 #kisslinux <acheam> we decieded not to track him down
2021-02-23T00:52:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> on account of it being super fucking creepy
2021-02-23T00:52:30 #kisslinux <systemE> lmao
2021-02-23T00:52:37 #kisslinux <acheam> we starting getting a bit too accurate
2021-02-23T00:52:54 #kisslinux <systemE> thanks for making me literally laugh so hard i choked
2021-02-23T00:53:20 #kisslinux <acheam> thats payback for the first time I saw SystemE
2021-02-23T00:53:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it put into perspective how easy it can be to track someone down
2021-02-23T00:53:29 #kisslinux * midfavila shudders
2021-02-23T00:53:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah a bit tooo easy hey
2021-02-23T00:53:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's one of those things where it doesn't sink in until you've seen it first hand
2021-02-23T00:54:08 #kisslinux <acheam> we've are the enlightened ones
2021-02-23T00:54:15 #kisslinux <acheam> s/`ve//g
2021-02-23T00:54:30 #kisslinux <systemE> im using arch linux because i got a job
2021-02-23T00:54:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> F
2021-02-23T00:54:36 #kisslinux <systemE> dont judge
2021-02-23T00:54:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> judgement
2021-02-23T00:54:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> >arch
2021-02-23T00:54:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> >job
2021-02-23T00:54:41 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Too late
2021-02-23T00:54:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-02-23T00:54:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I use arch too
2021-02-23T00:54:55 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm but a lowly chrooter
2021-02-23T00:55:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive got a side machine with arch purely for zoom
2021-02-23T00:55:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> so dw
2021-02-23T00:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> I tried using Source Mage for a while
2021-02-23T00:55:08 #kisslinux <acheam> and arch/kiss hybrid thing
2021-02-23T00:55:10 #kisslinux <systemE> i was maintianing hella kiss packages from an arch chroot for months
2021-02-23T00:55:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> fellow shameful comrades here
2021-02-23T00:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> But like, SMGL is even more tedious than LFS
2021-02-23T00:55:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> by far
2021-02-23T00:55:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Basically half of community tbh
2021-02-23T00:55:34 #kisslinux <acheam> i've only heard bad things about source mage
2021-02-23T00:55:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong I *want* to like it
2021-02-23T00:55:51 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, it looks good on paper
2021-02-23T00:55:53 #kisslinux <acheam> but in practice.....
2021-02-23T00:55:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> sorcery is a really cool package manager
2021-02-23T00:56:04 #kisslinux <acheam> on paper
2021-02-23T00:56:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the entire distro is developed and maintained by like four people, for one
2021-02-23T00:56:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> so a ton of stuff is out of date beyond the bare-bones core
2021-02-23T00:56:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the package manager's main advantage is also what makes it fucking impossible to use
2021-02-23T00:56:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> it asks you for every option pertaining to every dependency (optional or not) of every package, every time
2021-02-23T00:56:54 #kisslinux <systemE> anyone here use emacs
2021-02-23T00:57:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it also doesn't check to see if your options are sane
2021-02-23T00:57:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> what the heck that's kinda insane
2021-02-23T00:57:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I feel like it would be good for, say, suckless software
2021-02-23T00:57:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> but when you just want to set up ALSA and X...
2021-02-23T00:57:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> dear god
2021-02-23T00:58:05 #kisslinux <systemE> Future of kiss is probably OASIS
2021-02-23T00:58:23 #kisslinux <systemE> Have you guys figured out how to install it?
2021-02-23T00:58:27 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I installed oasis in, I shit you not, fifteen minutes
2021-02-23T00:58:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Incredible system
2021-02-23T00:58:39 #kisslinux <systemE> ^^ there you go
2021-02-23T00:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nifty
2021-02-23T00:59:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh interesting
2021-02-23T00:59:44 #kisslinux <systemE> Yeah it's more kiss than kiss
2021-02-23T00:59:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't oasis literally just use git for package management
2021-02-23T01:00:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> or is that stali
2021-02-23T01:00:02 #kisslinux <systemE> So install it on your toaster
2021-02-23T01:00:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh sbase/ubase
2021-02-23T01:00:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> bruh
2021-02-23T01:00:26 #kisslinux <konimex> lua as a packaging format sucks though
2021-02-23T01:00:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah the lua component has me weary
2021-02-23T01:00:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't get why people shit on suckless base
2021-02-23T01:00:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mcf makes it look easy tho
2021-02-23T01:00:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Because it sucks kappa
2021-02-23T01:00:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> im doing the opposite tbh
2021-02-23T01:01:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wish i could use sbase/ubase effectively on kiss
2021-02-23T01:01:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> I daily the suckless tools without any problems
2021-02-23T01:01:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> just supplement with some standalone tools and you're good to go
2021-02-23T01:01:34 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-02-23T01:01:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, true
2021-02-23T01:01:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> how much did you have to modify your init scripts to get ubase going?
2021-02-23T01:01:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> not at all
2021-02-23T01:02:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again I use hummingbird-init
2021-02-23T01:02:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> ah yeah okay
2021-02-23T01:02:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually no
2021-02-23T01:02:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a lie
2021-02-23T01:02:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-23T01:02:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's the actual packages that don't vibe with suckless tho
2021-02-23T01:02:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i had to replace the fsck call with e2fsck
2021-02-23T01:03:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just never fsck your drives. Easy
2021-02-23T01:03:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> i gotta switch my init out
2021-02-23T01:03:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hummingbird is phenom tbh
2021-02-23T01:04:01 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lightning quick, basically perfect
2021-02-23T01:04:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> hummingbird is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing
2021-02-23T01:04:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was considering sinit, but hummingbird does look good
2021-02-23T01:04:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Pair it with sysmgr and you're Gucci gang
2021-02-23T01:04:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^^^^^^^^^
2021-02-23T01:04:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy fucking based
2021-02-23T01:04:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> bruh aight
2021-02-23T01:04:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> im sold
2021-02-23T01:04:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Only reason I drop the pair is because sysmgr is gpl
2021-02-23T01:04:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> now if only we could replace gcc with tcc
2021-02-23T01:05:05 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Llvm is the way
2021-02-23T01:05:06 #kisslinux <konimex> isn't hummingbird pretty much glorified sinit?
2021-02-23T01:05:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wish i could ditch gcc
2021-02-23T01:05:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i need that gfortran
2021-02-23T01:05:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> >replace gcc, a massive program, with an even bigger and corporate-controlled program
2021-02-23T01:05:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> :'(
2021-02-23T01:05:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm thinking this ain't it chief
2021-02-23T01:05:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-23T01:05:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> rip
2021-02-23T01:05:54 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-23T01:05:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> main thing with tcc is that it's *just* a C compiler
2021-02-23T01:06:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-02-23T01:06:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Konimex: I guess you could put it that way
2021-02-23T01:06:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it was dropped before it had full C99 completion and hasn't been touched in like a decade and a half
2021-02-23T01:06:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> is scc C99 compliant?
2021-02-23T01:06:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> C++ is bloat /shrug
2021-02-23T01:06:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> does scc even fuckin work?
2021-02-23T01:06:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> like at all?
2021-02-23T01:06:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't get it to play nice
2021-02-23T01:06:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> trust me, I've tried a *lot*
2021-02-23T01:07:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk i havent looked at alternative cc's except for tcc
2021-02-23T01:07:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> cproc, when its ready, is the future i think
2021-02-23T01:07:48 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I don't even think the author believes that
2021-02-23T01:08:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> rather, id like to be able to compile my system with cproc
2021-02-23T01:08:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok so scc *is* C99 compat
2021-02-23T01:08:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> lets see if i can get it working?
2021-02-23T01:08:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-23T01:08:55 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Glhf
2021-02-23T01:08:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you can get it working I'd very much be interested in looking
2021-02-23T01:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> but after a half dozen attempts on my machine I've basically given up
2021-02-23T01:09:17 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/ODzpKH0.png
2021-02-23T01:09:24 #kisslinux <acheam> DilynCorner[m]
2021-02-23T01:09:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah dont get your hopes up, definitely not an expert with this
2021-02-23T01:09:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn absolutely destroyed
2021-02-23T01:09:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you gonna take that one lying down
2021-02-23T01:10:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I think that one was me
2021-02-23T01:10:24 #kisslinux <acheam> so is that a -1 on dilyn's count, or what
2021-02-23T01:10:29 #kisslinux <acheam> it was just submitted
2021-02-23T01:10:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> hahahah
2021-02-23T01:11:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> im guessing we're counting early
2021-02-23T01:11:19 #kisslinux <acheam> i haven't done any official tally
2021-02-23T01:11:41 #kisslinux <acheam> but its pretty landslide for one person....
2021-02-23T01:11:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think most of us saw that coming
2021-02-23T01:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's clearly acheam
2021-02-23T01:13:47 #kisslinux <acheam> i've actually gotten a surpising number of votes
2021-02-23T01:14:03 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-23T01:14:27 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Konimex is next in line tbh
2021-02-23T01:14:40 #kisslinux <konimex> nah, I'm not the right person for this project
2021-02-23T01:15:16 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex is in there, but not too high
2021-02-23T01:15:18 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> If not u then whom
2021-02-23T01:15:22 #kisslinux <konimex> I can't trust my judgment of what exactly is considered "KISS"
2021-02-23T01:15:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> clearly me
2021-02-23T01:15:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmfao
2021-02-23T01:15:36 #kisslinux <acheam> you're in the running too, midfavila
2021-02-23T01:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> as the most experienced and knowledgeable individual here I should be the leader
2021-02-23T01:15:48 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-02-23T01:15:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Damn
2021-02-23T01:15:56 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You got my vote. I'm convinced
2021-02-23T01:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> most humble person ever
2021-02-23T01:16:01 #kisslinux <konimex> honestly, I don't know, I like the current status quo since KISS is pretty much finished
2021-02-23T01:16:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> :tm:
2021-02-23T01:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like we should just... *maintain* kiss
2021-02-23T01:16:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> work on minor improvements
2021-02-23T01:16:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> see if we can reduce the word-splitting
2021-02-23T01:16:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I think the main improvements can come in the form of thee community repos, documentation, and communication
2021-02-23T01:16:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-02-23T01:17:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe we could even branch out into other tools and stuff, like suckless. i dunno
2021-02-23T01:17:18 #kisslinux <acheam> my kiss-mail command helps with that a bit
2021-02-23T01:17:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> i mean dylan was already filling that gap in with some of his shell scripts
2021-02-23T01:17:55 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I mean the point is that the community can create all sorts of cool tools like kiss steal and kiss mail
2021-02-23T01:17:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> so it wouldnt be too out of place
2021-02-23T01:18:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> But they don't have to clutter the core
2021-02-23T01:18:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-23T01:18:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> But there's always a case to be made for including them
2021-02-23T01:18:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-02-23T01:18:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it gets to the point that there's a lot of cool and interesting tools
2021-02-23T01:19:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe we could look into creating a loaded KISS with all that stuff, and split it off from the main tarball that's just the core system
2021-02-23T01:19:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's a huge hypothetical
2021-02-23T01:19:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> that'd have a chance of becoming the go-to because "oh ez"
2021-02-23T01:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> the question becomes "do we want that"
2021-02-23T01:20:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd wager the answer is a "no"
2021-02-23T01:20:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-23T01:21:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> part of the quality of kiss is choice, and having a separate tarball/chroot with a bunch of pre-integrated tools would be antithetical
2021-02-23T01:21:28 #kisslinux <acheam> for kiss-mail, should the mail file go to /tmp, or ~/.cache/kiss? Its only needed while the command is running
2021-02-23T01:21:31 #kisslinux <jedavies> If you want to try something different then just create a fork
2021-02-23T01:21:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't peeked at your script but
2021-02-23T01:21:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep in mind that /var/spool/mail exists
2021-02-23T01:22:27 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You're always welcome to spin up your own tarballs
2021-02-23T01:22:33 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks midfavila
2021-02-23T01:22:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I'll likely spin a kiss flavor for myself in the future
2021-02-23T01:23:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> just to keep things standard for myself
2021-02-23T01:23:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of hacking things together every time I set up a new system
2021-02-23T01:23:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> if we did go down the route of making tools, itd be nice to have a separate repo to community and main for 'em
2021-02-23T01:23:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, definitely
2021-02-23T01:27:39 #kisslinux <systemE> Any emacs users here
2021-02-23T01:27:44 #kisslinux <systemE> I wanna plug my emacs distro
2021-02-23T01:27:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean i installed it last night
2021-02-23T01:27:55 #kisslinux <acheam> there are a few
2021-02-23T01:27:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's kind of unappealing
2021-02-23T01:28:00 #kisslinux <acheam> vim life
2021-02-23T01:28:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> not a user here tbh
2021-02-23T01:28:19 #kisslinux <systemE> https://github.com/grandfoobah/spartan-emacs
2021-02-23T01:28:22 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> nvim for me
2021-02-23T01:28:32 #kisslinux <systemE> spread the word to all the emacsen holy ones for me please
2021-02-23T01:29:19 #kisslinux <konimex> >
2021-02-23T01:29:19 #kisslinux <konimex> Programmer-centric – doesn’t mess with Email, Browsers, Window Management, or Media players (not that it can’t…)
2021-02-23T01:29:56 #kisslinux <konimex> doesn't that defeat the point of emacs?
2021-02-23T01:29:57 #kisslinux <konimex> * > Programmer-centric – doesn’t mess with Email, Browsers, Window Management, or Media players (not that it can’t…)
2021-02-23T01:31:50 #kisslinux <konimex> whoops sorry for double messages, damn matrix edits
2021-02-23T01:32:19 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> systemE: wait, you don't happen to be the author of systemE on github?
2021-02-23T01:32:32 #kisslinux <konimex> he is
2021-02-23T01:32:36 #kisslinux <systemE> well i just found i became so much more productive when i stopped trying to check email with my text editor
2021-02-23T01:32:49 #kisslinux <systemE> same with managing windows.
2021-02-23T01:32:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Man if I used emacs I might try it
2021-02-23T01:32:52 #kisslinux <systemE> ya that's me
2021-02-23T01:32:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> maybe dont use emacs then :P
2021-02-23T01:32:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-23T01:36:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> emacs would be great if it wasn't emacs
2021-02-23T01:48:37 #kisslinux <systemE> I guess if I could do it over again I would skip Emacs, but it has some things that are so useful I can now use nothing else
2021-02-23T01:49:02 #kisslinux <systemE> I would skip because of the time investment involved, and the bloat / GNU factor
2021-02-23T01:50:07 #kisslinux <systemE> I have a coworker who uses nothing but nano and is basically a genius so... yeah if I could trade in 10,000 emacs hours for studying something else I would.
2021-02-23T01:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> man that reminds me of the last time I looked at my steam records
2021-02-23T01:56:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> over 3000 hours total... blech
2021-02-23T01:57:04 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> oof wow
2021-02-23T01:57:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I spent most of my early teenage years playing games because nothing else to do with my time :|
2021-02-23T01:57:33 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> 125 solid days
2021-02-23T01:58:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm hoping to actually get it set back up soon
2021-02-23T01:58:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Last time I used Steam I picked up this game called TIS-100
2021-02-23T01:59:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> the whole gimmick of it is that it's based around simulated assembly programming
2021-02-23T02:04:22 #kisslinux <systemE> Started playing runescape with my 11 year old
2021-02-23T02:04:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> i havent played that but the guy behind it does a bunch of programming type games re: TIS-100
2021-02-23T02:04:43 #kisslinux <systemE> I haven't played since I was in highschool. I sold the account I had back then on ebay for $20 bucks
2021-02-23T02:05:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah there's another one *also* based on assembler but it's moreso for "practical" applications
2021-02-23T02:05:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> shenzhen i/o, I think
2021-02-23T02:09:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> imagine if one of these games used its players to design real circuits/code. you pay for the privilege of doing someone else's engineering
2021-02-23T02:10:24 #kisslinux <noocsharp> like enders game
2021-02-23T02:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean hey if ender's game was able to teach some loser kid enough military strategy to defeat an entire race pretty much single-handedly...
2021-02-23T02:11:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> true, true
2021-02-23T02:16:47 #kisslinux <acheam> okay, kiss-mail is in a good place now, with colorized output, normalized trailing newlines, etc
2021-02-23T02:16:59 #kisslinux <acheam> my first real kiss extension!
2021-02-23T02:18:27 #kisslinux * midfavila claps
2021-02-23T02:18:45 #kisslinux * acheam takes a bow
2021-02-23T02:18:53 #kisslinux <dgre> wut? whats kiss-mail for?
2021-02-23T02:19:15 #kisslinux <acheam> It gives you the history of the 'updates' file from all your kiss repos
2021-02-23T02:19:30 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/q3exKgs.png
2021-02-23T02:20:05 #kisslinux <acheam> just adds a bit more convinience to the `updates` file
2021-02-23T02:20:43 #kisslinux <dgre> In your spool right?
2021-02-23T02:20:54 #kisslinux <dgre> I mean
2021-02-23T02:20:58 #kisslinux <dgre> That is wonderful
2021-02-23T02:21:09 #kisslinux <dgre> Peak UNIX mail
2021-02-23T02:21:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> scc seems to build for all archs and chucks a shitty when you install, is that what you were getting @midfavila?
2021-02-23T02:21:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-02-23T02:21:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> complains about some libs under the i386 dir missing iirc
2021-02-23T02:21:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-02-23T02:21:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if you don't build for i386
2021-02-23T02:22:17 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre:  it doesn't go to the spool, but that's something I want to work on
2021-02-23T02:22:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> i moved the libs from amd64-linux into the i386 one and it moved onto complaining about the dragonbsd ones missing
2021-02-23T02:22:26 #kisslinux <acheam> right now it just pipes it all into a pager
2021-02-23T02:22:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yep, that sounds familiar
2021-02-23T02:23:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> make install requires all, and i can't seem to just take the specific install line by itself
2021-02-23T02:23:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> feel my pain
2021-02-23T02:23:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> s u f f e r
2021-02-23T02:23:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> under the weight of obscure tools
2021-02-23T02:24:17 #kisslinux <dgre> Ohh ok acheam
2021-02-23T02:24:22 #kisslinux <dgre> Still pretty nice
2021-02-23T02:24:35 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre:  i don't have any examples of how emails are stored in the spool, if you have any i'd really appreciate it
2021-02-23T02:25:27 #kisslinux <dgre> I'll look for it
2021-02-23T02:25:54 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks!
2021-02-23T02:26:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wanted to set up a proper mail subsystem but fetch and sendmail wouldn't compile for me
2021-02-23T02:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> procmail and nmh do, tho
2021-02-23T02:27:19 #kisslinux <dgre> Well basically, have you seen how an email looks like in plaintext, acheam?
2021-02-23T02:27:25 #kisslinux <dgre> With all the headers and such
2021-02-23T02:27:40 #kisslinux <dgre> Those are what go on a mailspool file
2021-02-23T02:28:17 #kisslinux <dgre> https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000383.shtml
2021-02-23T02:28:26 #kisslinux <dgre> It's just MBOX
2021-02-23T02:28:56 #kisslinux <dgre> Kind of
2021-02-23T02:28:59 #kisslinux <dgre> Let me see
2021-02-23T02:32:15 #kisslinux <dgre> Yeah
2021-02-23T02:32:27 #kisslinux <dgre> Not mbox, although you could go that way instead of a spool file
2021-02-23T02:34:18 #kisslinux <dgre> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc822
2021-02-23T02:36:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> aight i get the same issue on my arch machine too
2021-02-23T02:36:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> lovely
2021-02-23T02:36:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Like I said, it'd be great if it worked :p
2021-02-23T02:38:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao yeah i was mostly just wondering if it was an issue with how it was detecting the architecture
2021-02-23T02:38:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> it looks like the offending file is proto, which seems to be the file it pulls its install commands from
2021-02-23T02:38:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> but if i clear out the invalid arch lines from it, it errors out
2021-02-23T02:38:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> so idfk
2021-02-23T02:57:40 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks so much, dgre!
2021-02-23T02:57:57 #kisslinux <dgre> ^_^
2021-02-23T03:21:27 #kisslinux <acheam> *sigh* one more Dylan Araps in the poll results
2021-02-23T03:22:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I think i'm going to cut it here
2021-02-23T03:22:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-02-23T03:22:30 #kisslinux <acheam> Even though its early, the quantity of submissions has greatly decreased, and the quality of them has tanked
2021-02-23T03:22:52 #kisslinux <systemE> you haven't lived until you rewrite dylan's init scripts in Emacs lisp, just sayin.
2021-02-23T03:23:21 #kisslinux <systemE> Miss that guy
2021-02-23T03:23:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> >elisp
2021-02-23T03:23:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a funny way to spell scheme
2021-02-23T03:30:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> apologies systemE, you have been surplanted: https://github.com/ajyoon/systemf
2021-02-23T03:31:02 #kisslinux <systemE> ya that's cooler
2021-02-23T03:31:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> you haven't lived until you rewrite the init scripts in brainfuck, apparently
2021-02-23T03:36:02 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila:  do you have a real name or github username you'd like to go by on the form results?
2021-02-23T03:37:01 #kisslinux <acheam> E5ten:  same question for you
2021-02-23T03:37:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nah.
2021-02-23T03:37:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just use my handle.
2021-02-23T03:37:16 #kisslinux <acheam> okay
2021-02-23T03:43:28 #kisslinux <acheam> CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ONE, THE ONLY, DilynCorner[m]! KISS'S NEW BDFL
2021-02-23T03:43:36 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/7fudIqe.png
2021-02-23T03:43:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> ayy congrats
2021-02-23T03:43:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow who could have seen that totally unexpected m. night shamalamadingdangdong-tier twist coming
2021-02-23T03:44:58 #kisslinux <acheam> i'd like to also thank testuser[m]_, who banked a not-so-close second in the vote, for keeping up maintenance of the repos, a role which I'm sure will continue.
2021-02-23T03:45:47 #kisslinux <acheam> to the 5 people who nominated me....... why?
2021-02-23T03:47:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably a better reason than the one person who nominated me
2021-02-23T03:48:16 #kisslinux <acheam> damn, I wonder if he checked out for the night already
2021-02-23T03:48:25 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe I should have chosen a better time to unveil this...
2021-02-23T03:51:13 #kisslinux <acheam> that's the problem with ZNC and matrix bridges, you never know when people are actually online...
2021-02-23T03:58:55 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Fuck
2021-02-23T03:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> all hail dilyn eraps
2021-02-23T03:59:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> bdfl 2 electric boogaloo
2021-02-23T04:02:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice dilyn
2021-02-23T04:03:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Thanks everyone
2021-02-23T04:03:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Um
2021-02-23T04:03:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Woohoo let's go
2021-02-23T04:07:04 #kisslinux <acheam> DilynCorner[m]:  what is your first decree of power?
2021-02-23T04:07:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> suggestion: we make the title of the BDFL "Dylan", so whoever the BDFL happens to be, we can refer to them as "Dylan"
2021-02-23T04:07:57 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-23T04:07:59 #kisslinux <acheam> sure
2021-02-23T04:08:02 #kisslinux <acheam> im down
2021-02-23T04:09:55 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> No!
2021-02-23T04:10:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> >=|
2021-02-23T04:10:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-02-23T04:10:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's already decided
2021-02-23T04:11:48 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I am the one who decides
2021-02-23T04:11:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Look at me
2021-02-23T04:11:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> Dylan: you didn't read the fine print?
2021-02-23T04:11:55 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I am the captain now
2021-02-23T04:12:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> the EULA binds even the captain
2021-02-23T04:12:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I AM THE EULA
2021-02-23T04:12:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-02-23T04:14:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lordy
2021-02-23T04:14:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hmhmhm
2021-02-23T04:15:55 #kisslinux <acheam> DilynCorner[m]:  as but your humble advisor, i'd reccomend you write a blog post or some written work acnowloging the occasion
2021-02-23T04:18:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I'll put some thoughts together on this fun development
2021-02-23T04:22:56 #kisslinux <acheam> some questions you should probably answer: Maintainer file, description file, website redesign, wiki redesign, how communication should occur, and whether development should remain on GitHub
2021-02-23T04:24:53 #kisslinux <acheam> and: Gemini site, alternative package managers
2021-02-23T04:29:37 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I've been mulling over my thoughts on this stuff for the last week or so :v
2021-02-23T04:29:53 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'll probably post something tomorrow as it's quite late now
2021-02-23T04:31:01 #kisslinux <acheam> no rush on it :)
2021-02-23T07:55:46 #kisslinux <claudia02> gzgz dilynm. #.#
2021-02-23T08:35:17 #kisslinux <kyao> can we keep the name kisslinux tho?
2021-02-23T08:37:11 #kisslinux <kyao> afaik dylan has some rights on the name if i reckon correctly
2021-02-23T09:01:27 #kisslinux <konimex> honestly, I think that depends on what dilyn intends to do with KISS
2021-02-23T09:34:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> Dilyn Corner: ay congrats on being the new BDFL
2021-02-23T09:46:04 #kisslinux <kyao> dilyn congrats :D
2021-02-23T10:19:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: what happened to repo-bin ? the repo is deleted
2021-02-23T10:53:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: i think the markdown site is looking fairly mature now. note that i have not converted the blog posts to *.md yet and the older non-plaintext ones are missing.  https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/
2021-02-23T10:55:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> looks great mcpcpc, code blocks are much easier to copy too
2021-02-23T11:14:46 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> awesome. yeah, that was probably my only real gripe from the original site. very minor overall though.
2021-02-23T11:51:00 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Congrats Dylin!
2021-02-23T11:52:37 #kisslinux <travankor> All hail Dylin Ereps o7
2021-02-23T11:57:05 #kisslinux <travankor> suggestion: we make the title of the BDFL "Dylan" -> genius
2021-02-23T12:21:22 #kisslinux <merakor> DilynCorner[m]: Oh I can finally call you Dylan now?
2021-02-23T12:30:12 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> DilynCorner[m]: ohh congrats!
2021-02-23T12:30:24 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> merakor: hey :)
2021-02-23T12:30:37 #kisslinux <merakor> hey kiedtlx1b :)
2021-02-23T14:16:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mcpcpc[m] markdown site looks pretty nice!
2021-02-23T14:31:30 #kisslinux <acheam> awesome mcpcpc[m]! Some quick notes: 1) in the footer it says "all rights reserved", but i'm not sure thats true, given the MIT license. 2) The contact page needs updating, you can see what I put on kiss.armaanb.net/contact, 3) on phones, 80ch is really wide and the text is really small, so if we could figure a way of doing word wrapping on the body, and overflow-x on the code boxes that could be cool, 4)
2021-02-23T14:31:32 #kisslinux <acheam> there are always scrollbars on the code blocks, maybe a different overflow css thing would be better there? 5) the home button isn't great for accesibilty, idk how to fix it though, 6) we should probably figure out a convention for writing copyright noticies on all repos, website included. I was thinking "Copyright 2019-2021 Dylan Araps and the kiss communitt, MIT License" or something along those lines.
2021-02-23T14:31:34 #kisslinux <acheam> 7) could <ul>s be indented? It took a second for me to figure out what was happening there. Sorry for that wall of text, take none of it, or any of it at your liking :) I (and everybody else here) really appreaciates the effort you've put into this.
2021-02-23T14:32:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> is there any way to use bluetooth without dbus?
2021-02-23T14:32:18 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  it wasn't ideal the way I set it up. Once a GH/not-GH conclusion is found, I'll find a new way of doing it
2021-02-23T14:32:23 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1:  not that I know of
2021-02-23T14:32:31 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> argh
2021-02-23T14:33:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, you could probably connect to a bluetooth device, but you wouldn't be able to do much with it
2021-02-23T14:33:27 #kisslinux <acheam> like audio, etc
2021-02-23T14:33:32 #kisslinux <acheam> depends on what you need
2021-02-23T14:33:48 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i just wanna send some smol files :P
2021-02-23T14:34:08 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: alrighty. i will take a look in a few.
2021-02-23T14:35:41 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1:  via obex?
2021-02-23T14:36:13 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i'll have a look, thanks
2021-02-23T14:36:56 #kisslinux <konimex> mcpcpc, acheam : I think the "All rights reserved" part can be omitted since not only because of MIT, but since the phrase itself is practically a formality
2021-02-23T14:39:14 #kisslinux <konimex> https://jdebp.uk/FGA/law-copyright-all-rights-reserved.html
2021-02-23T14:39:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: oh, ok
2021-02-23T14:43:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Does anyone know why bash installs C headers? What is the use case?
2021-02-23T14:48:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw firefox ESR has been updated after quite a while, if anyone uses it
2021-02-23T14:51:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> phoebos[m]1 pretty much anything on Linux that involves bluetooth now requires bluez which in turn requires D-Bus.  You might find some one-offs that could give an idea how to homebake a solution, but those one-offs aren't likely to be up to date or widely compatible
2021-02-23T14:53:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> G'morning everyone
2021-02-23T14:54:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You could try https://github.com/PureSwift/BluetoothLinux
2021-02-23T14:54:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Untested, unknown
2021-02-23T14:54:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Swift tho :v
2021-02-23T14:55:03 #kisslinux <konimex> out of the d-bus hell and into the apple-approved hell
2021-02-23T14:56:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> There was a discussion here https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200104#c3033681
2021-02-23T14:56:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's basically impossible lelelelelele
2021-02-23T14:56:58 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You can build bluez with libdbus-stub but nobody has said what happens if you try xD my guess is nothing
2021-02-23T14:57:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> should probably add bash as a dependency for tzdata if it hasn't been updated already
2021-02-23T14:58:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> huh
2021-02-23T14:58:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> theoretically if you knew the specific protocols and protocol versions used by the devices you want to talk to, you could roll your own.  as far as im aware, the reason bluez won out is because they were able to keep up the best with all the different pieces and once it got listed as the official linux stack everyone else gave up
2021-02-23T14:58:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Is it? Shouldn't be
2021-02-23T14:58:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it is
2021-02-23T14:58:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> head `which tzdata`
2021-02-23T14:58:33 #kisslinux <tracer> congrats, DilynCorner[m]
2021-02-23T14:58:41 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Thanks tracer:
2021-02-23T14:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> first line is #!/bin/bash on my system
2021-02-23T14:58:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I literally just built it without bash
2021-02-23T14:59:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tzselect, not tzdata, durr
2021-02-23T14:59:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> now run it without bash
2021-02-23T14:59:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> F
2021-02-23T14:59:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is this a recent change?
2021-02-23T14:59:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> #!/bin/bash
2021-02-23T14:59:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> # Ask the user about the time zone, and output the resulting TZ value to stdout.
2021-02-23T14:59:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> # Interact with the user via stderr and stdin.
2021-02-23T14:59:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> unless you can just like, switch that
2021-02-23T14:59:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Or just ls /usr/share/whatever/the/path/is
2021-02-23T15:00:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ayyy you found it: >19:00 dylanaraps There will come a day when I drop techology altogether. :P
2021-02-23T15:01:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wait, no, you *can* run it without bash just by changing the hashbang
2021-02-23T15:01:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ...why tf would they set it to bash if there's no bashisms..?
2021-02-23T15:01:32 #kisslinux <merakor> Time for my favourite patchy patchy time then
2021-02-23T15:01:37 #kisslinux <acheam> upstream patch time
2021-02-23T15:01:48 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol
2021-02-23T15:02:13 #kisslinux <merakor> Well, the file says ksh lol
2021-02-23T15:02:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> says bash for me
2021-02-23T15:02:22 #kisslinux <merakor> But the shebang is bash
2021-02-23T15:02:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ksh does work
2021-02-23T15:02:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> He's been planting a bunny trail of clues the whole time smh
2021-02-23T15:02:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gonna try dash
2021-02-23T15:02:41 #kisslinux <merakor> The extension is ksh, shebang is bash, weird.
2021-02-23T15:02:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> dylan is the true master of multidimensional chess
2021-02-23T15:03:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> People believe sh == bash that's why
2021-02-23T15:03:22 #kisslinux <merakor> It does work with ksh
2021-02-23T15:03:24 #kisslinux <konimex> easy, just do a simple sed of bin/bash to bin/sh
2021-02-23T15:03:26 #kisslinux <konimex> if shellcheck doesn't complain then we good
2021-02-23T15:03:27 #kisslinux <konimex> didn't know this tzselect thing exists
2021-02-23T15:03:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah it does work with ksh
2021-02-23T15:03:42 #kisslinux <acheam> file extension = .zsh, shebang = sh, has bashisms in it
2021-02-23T15:03:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also
2021-02-23T15:03:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> is it just me or does dash automatically supplant your chosen /bin/sh on install?
2021-02-23T15:03:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.github.com/eggert/tz/tree/master/tzselect.ksh tf
2021-02-23T15:03:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tzselect.ksh starts with bin bash
2021-02-23T15:04:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just confirmed tzselect works with plain dash
2021-02-23T15:04:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> they should fix their bang
2021-02-23T15:04:25 #kisslinux <konimex> what about the busybox default ash?
2021-02-23T15:04:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> dunno, I don't use bbox
2021-02-23T15:04:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but likely
2021-02-23T15:04:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> since dash is a subset of ash
2021-02-23T15:04:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or, well
2021-02-23T15:04:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> to be pedantic, they're both Almquist shells.
2021-02-23T15:05:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so if it works with one it should work with the rest
2021-02-23T15:05:11 #kisslinux <merakor> It still works, but there are obvious bashisms on the script
2021-02-23T15:05:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> would explain why then... I only gave it a cursory inspection
2021-02-23T15:05:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> still, that's annoying
2021-02-23T15:06:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Dash should only symlink sh to use the alternatives system
2021-02-23T15:06:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah, that doesn't happen
2021-02-23T15:06:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not for me anyway. it automatically sets itself as sh
2021-02-23T15:06:40 #kisslinux <konimex> depends on the packaging perhaps
2021-02-23T15:06:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mhm
2021-02-23T15:06:48 #kisslinux <merakor> It is on the packaging
2021-02-23T15:06:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Community symlinks
2021-02-23T15:06:59 #kisslinux <merakor> Mine does not do that
2021-02-23T15:07:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I should get around to switching to the community repositories today
2021-02-23T15:07:58 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I have to reinstall KDE and figure out the best way to share my ~ and not clutter it
2021-02-23T15:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> solution is to use the best GUI
2021-02-23T15:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> otherwise known as ctwm
2021-02-23T15:08:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Sowm or bust
2021-02-23T15:08:45 #kisslinux <merakor> dwm or bust
2021-02-23T15:08:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tty or bust
2021-02-23T15:09:15 #kisslinux <merakor> Paper or bust
2021-02-23T15:09:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> raw syscalls in machine code or bust
2021-02-23T15:09:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Have a calculator, pen, and a paper, what else do you need jeez
2021-02-23T15:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also while we're making hot takes
2021-02-23T15:09:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> click to raise and raise on focus are shit tier designs
2021-02-23T15:10:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> toolkits are bloat
2021-02-23T15:10:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wayland is cringe
2021-02-23T15:10:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> bash is bad.
2021-02-23T15:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thank you for coming to my ted talk
2021-02-23T15:11:03 #kisslinux * merakor reads all of these in Emacs IRC client
2021-02-23T15:11:06 #kisslinux <merakor> yes i agree
2021-02-23T15:11:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lmao
2021-02-23T15:11:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> use based tine
2021-02-23T15:12:02 #kisslinux <merakor> I can just go back to pen and paper jerk
2021-02-23T15:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> go back to pen and paper then, dweeb :p
2021-02-23T15:12:34 #kisslinux <merakor> Take a photo of your code written on paper, upload to Github
2021-02-23T15:12:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> DilynCorner[m] you can make your ~ read-only and figure out what is trying to clutter it up: https://soc.me/standards/defending-home
2021-02-23T15:12:53 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Wayland is MIT and is therefore obviously perfect in every way
2021-02-23T15:13:01 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The freer the software the freer the people
2021-02-23T15:13:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i use smoke signals and interpretive dance to communicate source code to tribe leader
2021-02-23T15:13:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> By clutter I just mean KDE putting garbage in .config and .cache I don't want there
2021-02-23T15:13:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tribe leader give source code to moon god, moon god give answers
2021-02-23T15:13:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> cache is annoying
2021-02-23T15:13:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'd rather it out it in /mnt/share/trash
2021-02-23T15:13:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i just put mine in /tmp
2021-02-23T15:13:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmfao
2021-02-23T15:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Downloads is also a symlink to /tmp
2021-02-23T15:13:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> persistence is for nerds
2021-02-23T15:13:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> That's the OPPOSITE of a cache lad
2021-02-23T15:14:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, I'll honestly jump shit to Wayland the moment dwl is usable
2021-02-23T15:14:09 #kisslinux <merakor> s/shit/ship/
2021-02-23T15:14:11 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> Yeah, I'll honestly jump ship to Wayland the moment dwl is usable
2021-02-23T15:14:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'll jump shit to wayland rn
2021-02-23T15:14:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i don't think I'll ever be interesting in wayland
2021-02-23T15:14:28 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao
2021-02-23T15:14:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Jump it throw it push it pull it
2021-02-23T15:14:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Welp, bad news midfavila
2021-02-23T15:14:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/interesting/interested
2021-02-23T15:14:52 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> i don't think I'll ever be interested in wayland
2021-02-23T15:14:53 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Repo/wayland is coming
2021-02-23T15:15:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
2021-02-23T15:15:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock:
2021-02-23T15:15:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Surprise, I've been ddevault the whole time
2021-02-23T15:15:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> somewhere drew devault needs to change his pants and he doesn't know why
2021-02-23T15:15:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> red hat infiltrator detected
2021-02-23T15:15:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> initiating operation scorched earth
2021-02-23T15:15:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's the long con
2021-02-23T15:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but yeah idk xaw3d is really comfy on my laptop
2021-02-23T15:16:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Finally you will know the glory of redhat cruft
2021-02-23T15:16:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> STLWRT will (hopefully) reach mass compatiblity soonish
2021-02-23T15:16:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Different strokes man. I could never do that
2021-02-23T15:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> FVWM is the superior workflow. etc
2021-02-23T15:16:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I mean don't get me wrong xaw looks fucking awful at first
2021-02-23T15:17:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but if you like windows95 gray it can be pretty /comfy/
2021-02-23T15:17:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> plus it's super lightweight
2021-02-23T15:17:21 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine using gui programs... pshaw
2021-02-23T15:17:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Yes
2021-02-23T15:17:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Whui what
2021-02-23T15:18:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't get how windows users do it... all their programs look different and unmatching
2021-02-23T15:18:28 #kisslinux <acheam> some programs even enforce custom mouse cursors and stuff
2021-02-23T15:18:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "I just want my computer to WORK, anon"
2021-02-23T15:18:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "Some of us actually do Real Work:tm:"
2021-02-23T15:18:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I never want my computer to work
2021-02-23T15:19:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the virgin Just Werks
2021-02-23T15:19:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> If my computer boots cleanly I've done something wrong
2021-02-23T15:19:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the chad Never Werks
2021-02-23T15:19:36 #kisslinux <merakor> DilynCorner[m]: I feel that
2021-02-23T15:19:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The dude abides
2021-02-23T15:19:43 #kisslinux <acheam> the kiss website should be rebuilt on Werc
2021-02-23T15:19:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the wrong thing is using kde
2021-02-23T15:19:49 #kisslinux <acheam> uh oh
2021-02-23T15:19:52 #kisslinux <merakor> DilynCorner[m]: I use initramfs solely for fucking up
2021-02-23T15:19:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also wow based take acheam
2021-02-23T15:20:01 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmfao
2021-02-23T15:20:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> port kiss to rc
2021-02-23T15:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like rn
2021-02-23T15:20:14 #kisslinux <acheam> port kiss to p9
2021-02-23T15:20:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> this is a plan9 distro now
2021-02-23T15:20:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Fuck
2021-02-23T15:20:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'm out
2021-02-23T15:20:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Wait
2021-02-23T15:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you're being deposed ereps
2021-02-23T15:20:32 #kisslinux <merakor> I thought about using rc shell for init ngl
2021-02-23T15:20:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gtfo
2021-02-23T15:20:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't use rc
2021-02-23T15:20:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's dogshit
2021-02-23T15:20:41 #kisslinux <acheam> you read the fine print didn't you DilynCorner[m]? You can't just leave like that
2021-02-23T15:20:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what's werc
2021-02-23T15:20:48 #kisslinux <acheam> 15 yr contract
2021-02-23T15:20:57 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  a CMS based on plan9 utilities by the cat-v people
2021-02-23T15:20:58 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> A prisoner
2021-02-23T15:21:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> By my own design
2021-02-23T15:21:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> werc is what suckless and catv si based on i believe
2021-02-23T15:21:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's this hubris
2021-02-23T15:21:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/si/is/
2021-02-23T15:21:12 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> werc is what suckless and catv is based on i believe
2021-02-23T15:21:12 #kisslinux <merakor> rc isn't dogshit, it's just different
2021-02-23T15:21:31 #kisslinux <merakor> I used to use werc for carbslinux website
2021-02-23T15:21:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> idk man I wouldn't want to use rc as my daily shell
2021-02-23T15:21:47 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Fool. All different things are bad
2021-02-23T15:21:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ^
2021-02-23T15:21:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> $OUTGROUP bad
2021-02-23T15:22:02 #kisslinux <merakor> I wouldn't use it for my daily shell, but it is good for scripting
2021-02-23T15:22:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> KISS tribe good
2021-02-23T15:22:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> My init is best init because integration
2021-02-23T15:22:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/hikiko/winnie/tree/winnie.clients-as-plugins window manager straight in framebuffer
2021-02-23T15:22:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> W a i t
2021-02-23T15:22:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you guys
2021-02-23T15:22:29 #kisslinux <merakor> Initregation
2021-02-23T15:22:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Framebuffer stuff is so cool ngl
2021-02-23T15:22:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> what if dylan realized that technology is ultimately too complex to be consistent with his goal of simplicity
2021-02-23T15:22:50 #kisslinux <merakor> s/Initregation/Initegration/
2021-02-23T15:22:51 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> Initegration
2021-02-23T15:22:56 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> He isn't wrong
2021-02-23T15:23:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also if you think framebuffer stuff is cool
2021-02-23T15:23:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I remember finding this fork of Linux that had an in-kernel windowing system
2021-02-23T15:23:18 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Maybe that's why he doesn't use arm. Too many fucking devices
2021-02-23T15:23:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh god, arm
2021-02-23T15:23:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> where every SoC requires a custom piece of software just to run
2021-02-23T15:23:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://eleni.mutantstargoat.com/hikiko/category/hobby/asm/
2021-02-23T15:24:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> a gote
2021-02-23T15:24:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but yeah the second RISC-V has a socketed motherboard or a proper laptop that utilizes it I'm switching to it
2021-02-23T15:24:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> 'my x86 assembly hell world'
2021-02-23T15:25:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah here's the blog post for winnie: https://eleni.mutantstargoat.com/hikiko/winnie-a-framebuffer-window-system-2/
2021-02-23T15:25:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> blech, iframes
2021-02-23T15:26:08 #kisslinux <acheam> even worse, youtube in iframes
2021-02-23T15:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> how is Links supposed to pipe that to my plumbing script
2021-02-23T15:27:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> disgusting
2021-02-23T15:28:54 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Now we just need asystemd window manager
2021-02-23T15:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> inbr systemd-kde
2021-02-23T15:29:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/inbr/inb4/
2021-02-23T15:29:27 #kisslinux <acheam> kde just takes advantage of systemd if its there, its not a dep
2021-02-23T15:29:28 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> inb4 systemd-kde
2021-02-23T15:29:39 #kisslinux <acheam> s/kde/plasma
2021-02-23T15:29:41 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> plasma just takes advantage of systemd if its there, its not a dep
2021-02-23T15:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> going from a 120% model m to a tiny laptop keyboard with keys that have different proportions than they should is hard
2021-02-23T15:31:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'm very skeptical that KDE won't fully integrate systemd in the near future
2021-02-23T15:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> kde is just one part of a fully functioning systemd ecosystem
2021-02-23T15:35:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> What you've been calling KDE is actually systemd+kde
2021-02-23T15:35:32 #kisslinux <soliwilos> systemd-plasma? :p
2021-02-23T15:35:54 #kisslinux <acheam> soliwilos: s/plasma/plasmad
2021-02-23T15:35:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> plasmad
2021-02-23T15:35:55 #kisslinux <kissbot> <soliwilos> systemd-plasmad? :p
2021-02-23T15:36:24 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Ah, right you are.
2021-02-23T15:36:44 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Has anyone here tried installing grub to a disk recently? I'm following the guide but get a "Decompressor too big." error, looks like there might be an issue with the latest version of grub
2021-02-23T15:36:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Everything is a file
2021-02-23T15:36:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> s/file/daemon
2021-02-23T15:36:57 #kisslinux <kissbot> <ominous_anonymou> Everything is a daemon
2021-02-23T15:37:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i had that when installing KISS's grub on my vps
2021-02-23T15:37:57 #kisslinux <soliwilos> chrchwrdn, I installed grub a few days ago.
2021-02-23T15:37:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i just ended up utilizing the preinstalled one, no idea how to fix it
2021-02-23T15:38:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think its an issue only on mbr
2021-02-23T15:38:17 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Yeah I'm using MBR
2021-02-23T15:38:39 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I've found some Slackware guys with the same issue who are having to revert to old versions
2021-02-23T15:39:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i looked at arch and found no extra patches so most likely grub bug
2021-02-23T15:39:15 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm using gpt+mbr.
2021-02-23T15:39:31 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> dos+mbr for me
2021-02-23T15:42:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> slackware is comfy
2021-02-23T15:42:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> set it up on my media server the other day
2021-02-23T15:45:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> bugs.archlinux.org/task/69711
2021-02-23T15:45:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> There's a fixed mentioned you can try it
2021-02-23T15:46:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> Woo, new laptop battery and dock at on the way
2021-02-23T15:46:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> should i add it to repo?
2021-02-23T15:46:11 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Thanks Dilyn! I hadn't seen that
2021-02-23T15:46:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> (if it works)*
2021-02-23T15:46:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> If chrchwrdn reports that it works it'll get pushed :)
2021-02-23T15:46:41 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I don't use grub so I can't test it
2021-02-23T15:46:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-23T15:47:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Should work though, looking at the fix
2021-02-23T15:47:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's a simple one too. Silly grub devs smh
2021-02-23T15:47:49 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I'll give it a shot but it might not be until a little later on today
2021-02-23T15:48:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> checking that kiss size grub isn't 2gb big should be enough to confirm :p
2021-02-23T15:48:40 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> No rush! If anyone else reports it they can test it
2021-02-23T15:49:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'm at work and all my meetings are over so now I actually have to work :v
2021-02-23T15:49:30 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Haha, same here!
2021-02-23T15:49:57 #kisslinux * acheam remembers that he's been on an online class for the last hour
2021-02-23T15:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> my class starts soon but it's MCSA
2021-02-23T15:52:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> so not worth paying attention to anyway
2021-02-23T16:49:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> DilynCorner[m], so you're the new BDFT ? congrats
2021-02-23T16:50:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i would have voted for you too, if the poll had been properly phrased
2021-02-23T16:54:56 #kisslinux <acheam> oh?
2021-02-23T16:55:14 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I've created a personal repo, copied grub and am trying to sort the patch but this is the first Kiss package I've created. Is there a more comprehensive for patching Kiss packages than https://kiss.armaanb.net/package-system#8.0
2021-02-23T16:55:17 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao
2021-02-23T16:55:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Thanks sh4rm I appreciate it :)
2021-02-23T16:55:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I did not vote for me, I think you're all wrong xD
2021-02-23T16:55:46 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Oh and congrats Dilyn!
2021-02-23T16:56:15 #kisslinux <acheam> chrchwrdn:  its just patched like any other patch
2021-02-23T16:56:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Take a look at the x264 package
2021-02-23T16:56:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> For an example
2021-02-23T16:56:37 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss just uses off-the-shelf components of POSIX
2021-02-23T16:57:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> in a nutshell, add patches/patch name.patch to the sources, add patch -p1 < patch name.patch to the beginning of the build script, make a directory named patches and put the patch inside it, and run kiss c; kiss b; kiss i
2021-02-23T16:57:40 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Thanks, I'd been doing it the same way but it can;t find the file that it's trying to patch
2021-02-23T16:58:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ah because of the way it works smh
2021-02-23T16:59:32 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> The way this particular grub patch works?
2021-02-23T17:00:09 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I should warn I've primarily used binary distros so this is relatively new to me
2021-02-23T17:00:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> For sure
2021-02-23T17:00:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> So grub actually downloads the source twice into two different directories
2021-02-23T17:00:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You can do something like this (one sec)
2021-02-23T17:00:56 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Ahhh
2021-02-23T17:01:09 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> does building rust always involve stage 1s and stage 0s? building the most recent update is taking years
2021-02-23T17:01:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> rust is a bitch to build in general
2021-02-23T17:01:26 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ^
2021-02-23T17:01:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus doesn't it override your makeflags?
2021-02-23T17:01:37 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> only doing it for ff
2021-02-23T17:01:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> use pale meme
2021-02-23T17:01:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-02-23T17:02:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> ix.io/2QwX
2021-02-23T17:02:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Should work fine for now
2021-02-23T17:02:16 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> don't think so.. at least not while its building
2021-02-23T17:02:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The problem is your in a directory that contains two directories holding the grub sources, so the patch can't actually find the file because it's one directory down
2021-02-23T17:04:42 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Trying that but getting "can't open ../patch_name.patch: no such file"
2021-02-23T17:04:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why not change that one line patch to a sed and just call it on */file
2021-02-23T17:05:05 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I've renamed the patch to that filename
2021-02-23T17:05:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> did you add it to sources file?
2021-02-23T17:05:37 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Ah I haven't renamed sources, 1 sec
2021-02-23T17:05:42 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> pale moon wants python2 and perl which is ew
2021-02-23T17:05:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and gtk2
2021-02-23T17:06:04 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ugh
2021-02-23T17:06:21 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Thanks fellas, that is now building!
2021-02-23T17:06:35 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I'll let you know if it resolves the grub-install issue
2021-02-23T17:06:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> why all the py2 / gtk+2 hate :(((
2021-02-23T17:07:00 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> py2 has been EOL for... over a year?
2021-02-23T17:07:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and ?
2021-02-23T17:07:19 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> so don't use it lmao
2021-02-23T17:07:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> do we have to follow all the whims of upstreams ?
2021-02-23T17:07:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It will be a sed when it gets pushed don't worry
2021-02-23T17:07:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> this is the first rust build i've done with sccache, so that's slowing it down quite a lot
2021-02-23T17:08:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i actually do use py2 exclusively, because i want my code to work even if i update the interpreter version
2021-02-23T17:09:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i use stuff like f strings in py3 a lot
2021-02-23T17:10:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i don't have a problem with gtk2 but other packages will force me to install gtk3... don't want 2 versions at once
2021-02-23T17:11:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> phoebos your sccache build will be in vain
2021-02-23T17:11:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cuz build paths won't be the exact same
2021-02-23T17:11:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sccache needs exact path for hit
2021-02-23T17:11:50 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oh no
2021-02-23T17:11:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> like for ff i need to export KISS_PID firefox so it always builds in /tmp/firefox
2021-02-23T17:12:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its pretty dumb
2021-02-23T17:12:13 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> that's very dumb
2021-02-23T17:12:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The fact that a python3 update caused a Xorg package update to fail is irritating
2021-02-23T17:12:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Use a hook! :V
2021-02-23T17:13:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i was thinking of that but setting kiss pid in hook won't do anything cuz dir is already created
2021-02-23T17:13:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> before the hook is called*
2021-02-23T17:14:25 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I've installed the patched version but unfortunately it's still failing to install grub on the disk
2021-02-23T17:16:02 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> testuser_: so if I made a hook to now always build rust in whatever the build id is now, that would work right?
2021-02-23T17:16:41 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You do it in pre-extract, would you not? Similar to the building in memory example
2021-02-23T17:17:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> chrchwrdn: hmm
2021-02-23T17:17:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no like whenever you run a kiss cmd it makes $KISS_TMPDIR/$RANDOMPID
2021-02-23T17:17:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so you'll have to manually move it in the hook
2021-02-23T17:17:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You'd just define build_dir
2021-02-23T17:18:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-02-23T17:18:26 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> can't i just add in the pre-extract `case $PKG in rust) mak_dir=$KISS_TMPDIR/build-xxxx`
2021-02-23T17:18:41 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> just like hard wire it
2021-02-23T17:19:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mmhmm
2021-02-23T17:20:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw phoebos i don't think sccache will help much with rust cuz this ff update took almost the same time as a fresh rebuild
2021-02-23T17:20:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and rust is even bigger so more stuff changes
2021-02-23T17:20:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> dammit
2021-02-23T17:21:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its pretty nice for rebuilds though
2021-02-23T17:21:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> of the same ver
2021-02-23T17:21:42 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lol i try to avoid those
2021-02-23T17:38:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Oh duh of course the patch doesn't work. It patches a python script
2021-02-23T17:38:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Our grub package just fudges python
2021-02-23T17:38:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Fuck
2021-02-23T17:39:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-02-23T17:39:46 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Oh...
2021-02-23T17:40:32 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lmao
2021-02-23T17:40:33 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> also would i need to remove the contents of the old rust `mak_dir`
2021-02-23T17:41:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i thunk kiss would clean up the dir in that variable even if you set it in a hook
2021-02-23T17:41:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> think
2021-02-23T17:41:37 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i'll give it a go
2021-02-23T17:41:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> really hope it works, cos i just had the joys of it failing from no disk space :)
2021-02-23T17:42:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It should always clean it unless you set KISS_DEBUG but if it doesn't that'll be fun
2021-02-23T17:42:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> chrchwrdn: trying something will get back to you. No way in hell we're actually requiring python for this again
2021-02-23T17:43:16 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Of course the easy solution is to stop using grub c:
2021-02-23T17:45:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> * drops grub from repo
2021-02-23T17:45:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there any bootloader for non uefi systems that is a bit more kiss than grub and also actively developed?
2021-02-23T17:45:50 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Thanks Dilyn, appreciate the time you've given this
2021-02-23T17:45:58 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I was going to ask the same thing
2021-02-23T17:46:06 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> Is LILO no longer in dev?
2021-02-23T17:46:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Out isn't but it's feature complete no?
2021-02-23T17:46:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> s/out/it/
2021-02-23T17:47:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Besides Lilo tho I don't think there's anything
2021-02-23T17:47:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's only been ten years. One day EFI will catch on
2021-02-23T17:48:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> testuser_: i think its working, just rerunning kiss build with that hook
2021-02-23T17:48:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> LILO is complete
2021-02-23T17:48:36 #kisslinux <chrchwrdn> I guess I should be using EFI really, old habits die hard
2021-02-23T17:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you don't have a reason to use EFI, you should use BIOS
2021-02-23T17:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> EFI needlessly complicates things in my experience
2021-02-23T17:49:18 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> not really. but it's certainly not worth throwing out hardware for
2021-02-23T17:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh also back to the bootloader thing
2021-02-23T17:51:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> extlinux is very comfy
2021-02-23T17:51:04 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Directly booting from the kennel is op
2021-02-23T17:51:05 #kisslinux <soliwilos> There's syslinux, quite a bit simpler config compared to grub as well.
2021-02-23T17:51:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-02-23T17:51:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ah yes
2021-02-23T17:51:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only tricky thing with extlinux is that you gotta use dd to dump it into your disk's boot sector
2021-02-23T17:51:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ez no risk
2021-02-23T17:52:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> not if you set the block size and repeat count = w=
2021-02-23T17:52:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> then it's totally fine
2021-02-23T17:52:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> How to fsck your disk 101
2021-02-23T17:53:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I just cat > /dev/???? for my disks. it's actually a fair bit faster
2021-02-23T17:53:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but of course when you need precision dd works better
2021-02-23T17:55:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> dd is very powerful
2021-02-23T17:55:26 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I use cat to make all my live usbs nowadays
2021-02-23T17:55:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> the hilarious thing is that it has nothing to do with manipulating disks
2021-02-23T17:55:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but everyone just like, uses it for that
2021-02-23T17:55:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Everything to do with destroying them tho
2021-02-23T17:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> cat is better at that smh
2021-02-23T18:24:38 #kisslinux <aarng> dd is character copy but cc was taken already
2021-02-23T18:26:04 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> rust is done! now for firefox
2021-02-23T18:27:38 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i did clear the build dirs manually, easy to add a hook
2021-02-23T18:28:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Stumbled upon this today https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss//blog/2020-05-09.txt, which means KISS will be 2 years old in  ~ 2.5 months
2021-02-23T18:29:02 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> nice
2021-02-23T18:29:31 #kisslinux <kyao> DilynCorner[m]: so will you manage the main repo alone or still with the community?
2021-02-23T18:34:57 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm working on kiss-bin right now
2021-02-23T18:35:03 #kisslinux <acheam> will still be a bit of time though
2021-02-23T19:10:16 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I will let you know later today what my grand plans are :)
2021-02-23T19:10:40 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> (work is crazy today so I can't write something up until 5 f)
2021-02-23T19:14:54 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  what time zone are you in?
2021-02-23T19:14:59 #kisslinux <acheam> if you don't mind sharing
2021-02-23T19:21:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> IST
2021-02-23T19:44:04 #kisslinux <acheam> Nice, just wanted to know when to expect you to be around/online
2021-02-23T19:49:06 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ayyyy and firefox is done
2021-02-23T19:53:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> grats
2021-02-23T20:04:52 #kisslinux <howdyyall> trying out kirc, please ignore
2021-02-23T20:16:04 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> chrchwrdn: ix.io/2QyY
2021-02-23T20:16:15 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> This build should result in a grub that isn't 1gb in size :v
2021-02-23T20:39:21 #kisslinux <ctb0> it just worked for me. thanks dilyn
2021-02-23T20:39:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hooray!
2021-02-23T22:11:40 #kisslinux <acheam> anybody know of a good program thats like, just the calendar part of thunderbird? Needs to have first class CalDAV support, and not require a bajillion deps from some desktop environment
2021-02-23T22:22:37 #kisslinux <systemE> Emacs
2021-02-23T22:23:31 #kisslinux <systemE> Org mode + caldav https://github.com/dengste/org-caldav
2021-02-23T22:30:34 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: /bin/cal
2021-02-23T22:31:29 #kisslinux <acheam> systemE:  no.
2021-02-23T22:31:58 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b:  :)
2021-02-23T22:32:12 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the freenode status?
2021-02-23T22:32:15 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i've just finished compiling chromium and now its complaning about udev
2021-02-23T22:32:27 #kisslinux <danteissaias> "udev_loader.cc(38)] check failed: false"
2021-02-23T22:32:27 #kisslinux <acheam> what device manager are you using?
2021-02-23T22:32:32 #kisslinux <danteissaias> libudev-zero + mdev
2021-02-23T22:32:46 #kisslinux <acheam> i've got nothing, sorry
2021-02-23T22:33:41 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: I'm lobbying^Wasking kline now. I had sent the email earlier today
2021-02-23T22:38:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe okay
2021-02-23T22:46:47 #kisslinux <danteissaias> does anyone here have working chrome?
2021-02-23T22:47:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Did you build with use_udev? I also got complaints when I did that
2021-02-23T22:47:53 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i didn't change anything from how it is in community
2021-02-23T22:49:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Curious
2021-02-23T22:50:10 #kisslinux <danteissaias> from looking at the source code it tries to load libudev.1.so and if that fails libudev.0.so and then if they both fail it exits with check failed
2021-02-23T22:50:30 #kisslinux <danteissaias>   std::unique_ptr<UdevLoader> udev_loader;
2021-02-23T22:50:31 #kisslinux <danteissaias>   udev_loader.reset(new Udev1Loader);
2021-02-23T22:50:31 #kisslinux <danteissaias>   if (udev_loader->Init()) {
2021-02-23T22:50:32 #kisslinux <danteissaias>     g_udev_loader = udev_loader.release();
2021-02-23T22:50:32 #kisslinux <danteissaias>     return g_udev_loader;
2021-02-23T22:50:33 #kisslinux <danteissaias>   }
2021-02-23T22:50:33 #kisslinux <danteissaias>   udev_loader.reset(new Udev0Loader);
2021-02-23T22:50:34 #kisslinux <danteissaias>   if (udev_loader->Init()) {
2021-02-23T22:50:34 #kisslinux <danteissaias>     g_udev_loader = udev_loader.release();
2021-02-23T22:50:35 #kisslinux <danteissaias>     return g_udev_loader;
2021-02-23T22:50:35 #kisslinux <danteissaias>   }
2021-02-23T22:51:34 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i used node-bin from the old bin repository that shouldn't be an issue should it
2021-02-23T22:52:59 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> danteissaias: Please use a pastebin (0x0.st, ttm.sh, etc) in the future for stuff over 5-6 lines
2021-02-23T22:53:16 #kisslinux <danteissaias> oh ok sure
2021-02-23T22:59:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Illiliti: where u @
2021-02-23T23:01:34 #kisslinux <danteissaias> the packages on my system where i built it were severely out of date i'll try updating all the packages and see if that fixes is its probably that
2021-02-23T23:02:00 #kisslinux <danteissaias> that'll definitely be an overnight endeavour
2021-02-23T23:02:03 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> !gore
2021-02-23T23:02:20 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Oops
2021-02-23T23:03:23 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-23T23:04:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Irc gore
2021-02-23T23:04:52 #kisslinux <danteissaias> last night i spent ages trying to figure out why my kernel wasnt installing properly it took me 5 hours to figure out i hadn't mounted my efi partition
2021-02-23T23:06:13 #kisslinux <acheam> that'd do it
2021-02-23T23:26:17 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hey look, the subreddit is mine!
2021-02-23T23:26:27 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> And with the final nail in the coffin, ahem
2021-02-23T23:26:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> delete delete delete
2021-02-23T23:27:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh nice, that's good news
2021-02-23T23:29:03 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-02-23T23:29:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I think a new pinned post there is apt
2021-02-23T23:29:29 #kisslinux <acheam> after you've written your post
2021-02-23T23:30:12 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> woo
2021-02-23T23:32:01 #kisslinux <acheam> the only thing left to reclaim is the domain
2021-02-23T23:32:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait is the subplebbit gone?
2021-02-23T23:33:15 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: DilynCorner[m]: could you both give your greenlight to the freenode ops in some form that I'm authorized to have access to the kisslinux org?
2021-02-23T23:33:44 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b:  yes, how should I do that?
2021-02-23T23:33:52 #kisslinux <acheam> in #freenode?
2021-02-23T23:34:09 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Uh, no, one moment
2021-02-23T23:34:27 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I'll need DilynCorner[m] to respond, then I'll see how we can do it
2021-02-23T23:47:44 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: Are you in the Github org? If so, would you mind adding me? the freenode op decided that me being included in the GH org is enough proof
2021-02-23T23:48:36 #kisslinux <acheam>  yes
2021-02-23T23:49:14 #kisslinux <acheam> you're invited
2021-02-23T23:49:21 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> lets see
2021-02-23T23:49:39 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> btw, I noticed that I had been invited before, but the invitation was retracted. what was that?
2021-02-23T23:50:20 #kisslinux <acheam> you never accepted
2021-02-23T23:50:25 #kisslinux <acheam> after a few weeks
2021-02-23T23:52:27 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Yeah, I don't usually check that email address (protonmail) :V After noticing that I redirected Github notifications to my tilde email
2021-02-23T23:55:07 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b:  you put a lot of faith into the tildeverse
2021-02-23T23:57:09 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> that's... true
2021-02-23T23:57:42 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> If ben decides he doesn't like the way my nick is pronounced or something, a lot of stuff will be screwed
2021-02-23T23:58:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> self-hosting time
2021-02-23T23:59:28 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> not an option at this point :<
2021-02-23T23:59:59 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> DilynCorner[m]: fyi, your membership in kiss-community isn't publicly visible, fyi